5:35 talks about his Rookie year coach. 7:30 Shaq talks about instigating match ups and not helping on Defense. 9:15 talks about his welcome to the league moment when GP schooled him. 10:40 Talks Steve Smith teaching him. 11:30 can today’s guys play with them back in the day. 14:20 Joel Embiid. 15:00 top 75 list. 16:20 speak on HOFer. 16:50 MVP race in today’s NBA. 17:50 talks 2003 MVP and himself not winning. 19:00 Tim Duncan’s influence on TParker and Manu. 20:16 DeMar for MVP. 21:12 TMAC 1V1 league. 24:08 Shaq tries to take his shoe off. 25:00 Zion might have to get his body done. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
TMac: “In order for the game to go back to where it was, there’s gonna have to be another Shaq” Shaq: “That ain’t gonna happen because I got rid of all the blueprints” Bro😂😂 14:10
Tracy Mcgrady was on an equal level to Kobe Bryant for about 4 ro 5 years. He is definitely a top 75 player. One of the most impressive players I've seen in the last 25 years. A true superstar.
Tmac obviously has a bias towards himself lol but it’s fun to listen to the arguments. Tmac had 7 years of 25ppg over his career, he’s definitely got that longevity despite all the injuries / years not given a chance
@@tubewatcher1979 right lebron had success without help d rose 🌹 made it no excuses for t Mac especially in Orlando and definitely should’ve won in Houston with Yao
@@thatdidntagewell4689 good lord, is that what you took out of my comment? That I'm somehow seriously trying to dictate how the man sits? Can't believe I have to explain this. What I said had nothing to do with "telling" TM to do ANYTHING. It was an unserious observation based on the FACT that no host of any talk show or podcast is reclining to the degree that he does. I dont know, maybe you've seen shows where the interviewer (OR interviewee) is pretty much laying down. This wasn't even a joke per se...just a mildly humorous observation of his sitting habits. I notice it because I sit the same way, partly to keep various arthritic joints from hurting.
I actually gained a lot of respect for T-Mac in this interview after hearing him talk about his tattoos. Everyone on there is trying to pressure him and he stands by what he wants to do and what he believes. It can’t be easy on national TV, being pressured by the likes of Shaquille O’Neal-I have a lot of respect for that-he’s his own person.
2003 Duncan had one of the best start to finish seasons in NBA history that year. Tmacs my fave player ever, but Duncan deserved the MVP. Start go finish he had one of the top 5 best seasons ever. Also it was the 2003 season we're talking about, Duncan was the only all star. David Robinson was at the end, Tony was a 2nd yesr guy, Manu a rookie. It got so bad for Tony in the playoffs Pop was starting Speed Claxton in playoff games over him
Tmac's team was the 8th seed in the East, he trippin. And btw, he only got 4th place in votings, it was Timmy, KG, Kobe then TMac. He didn't have a chance and no one was arguing for him at the time
@@quentinsowell3704 This is such an ignorant take. Duncan was the system. The Spurs literally played around Duncan during the early to mid 2000s. The reason why everyone found the Spurs boring was because they constantly played around Duncan just posting up and him deciding what to do from there. Ginobili was a rookie and Parker was only in his 2nd year in 2003. David Robinson was also at the end of his career. Duncan carried the Spurs in 2003. It was only until the later 2000s when the Spurs became that great all-around team with a great system.
One point Tracy is overlooking is how stacked the West was back then. When the Lakers went on that 3-peat, everyone knew the Western Conference Finals winner was the Finals winner. THAT was the real championship. Facing the East's winner was just a formality. The Pistons bucked that trend at the height of the Shaq/Kobe beef, but ain't no way the Pacers, 76ers, Nets, whoever was going to win a series against the Lakers or Spurs (or even others) at that time. The Magic just making the playoffs in the East was not as impressive as what Duncan did when Manu & Parker were new & Robinson was on his last leg.
The whole "can he play in my era" argument is fallacious. It assumes that players like Giannis and Steph would not adjust their play to the rules of the past and will play the same way that they do now. Players adjust to whatever the rules are when they're playing.
@@gravediggass what would happen then if steph is pulling from half court and the defense stretches out to stop him? The whole floor opens up when u have a Shooter like that handling the rock and most guys in that era were not that quick switching assingnements they were very hard headed when defending.
@@fillitesm you're delusional. He wouldn't even make it to the league in that Era shooting like that. He would be forced to play like a true pg ,score by getting to the basket and get fouled.
@@gravediggass and Curry would excel at that too. Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, Mamoud Abdul Rauf, Mookie Blaylock, Muggsy Bouges and other small point guards did well in the 90's and Curry is better than all of them.
well there is truth there, some players wouldnt even get playing time if they could not play defense. Giannis would not be the bully-ball-player he is today because of how many bigs there were, he might be how he was when he entered the league.
@@nature-kv3xe not at allll. go back and what happened vs the sun's. ight then...remind me how that wasn't mono and toilet papers intro into the NBA and Duncan's double teams didn't make they lil 15 and 12 ppg
@@nature-kv3xe who was going to make up Duncan's defense?? making them a top defensive team? or the double attention? the rebounds?? y'all straight wildin
@@nature-kv3xe the second option was a 20yr old sophomore Tony Parker. Not even close to being in his prime. Manu was a rookie averaging 7.8 ppg Robinson was a 37 yr old vet only averaging 8pts and 8 Rebs 40 yr old Kevin Willis averaged 4 points 37 yr old Steve Kerr averaged 4 pts And it just gets worse from there.
I liked the fact Tracy talked on his growth of removing his tats and being him. For those who want to keep them or put them on that's being you. But it is also refreshing to hear Tracy be himself as well with no compromise
@@gorkajames6475 yall forgot the runner up that year was jason kidd, regular season leader in triple doubles and got his team to the finals 2 years in a row
Shaq just hatin. Ginobli and Parker were all-star players and would have better stats if Tim Duncan wasnt playing. Give them more touches and they would average 25 ppg. But with TIm Duncan, they're a dynasty.
Shaq was right on the point. Duncan was on another level that year too he definitely was the Spurs and even Parker, Ginobli and Pop all admit there is no championships or the playoffs they might have been close to a 50/50 record but they don't win without Duncan and they aren't Hall of famers without Tim getting doubled constantly and feeding them the ball to give them the chances to develop and get easier shots off to become the players they became. Idc nobody compares to Kobe or even D Wade on his teams, Tim made everyone better and was the anchor for their defense which was always the top of the list as the best defensive team back than and you don't have the best defense without Tim Duncan
Man I miss early 00's Spurs vs Lakers. Those games/series were so intense. 05' finals of Spurs vs Pistons is my favorite of all time. I'm probably in the minority here but I miss me those 86-82 games. Back when playing defense mattered and you couldn't take 2.5 - 3 steps with the ball.
Glad T-Mac said he wants to grow up. Removing tattoos, removing the rims on his cars, trying to be a strong figure for his kids. We need more black men to do this. It's not about those things per se. It's the fact that he is consciously separating himself from his youth.
The players with gold chains, pimped up cars and 50k shoes don't last long after getting out of the league and their guaranteed contract money stops coming. You either grow up or you go homeless after a while because you can't afford to pay for your monthly car service and rent for your apartment anymore.
100% it’s not about those things but it’s nothing wrong with the people who enjoy having those things. Getting rid of jewelry and tattoos has nothing to do with maturing, it’s all a mindset type of thing.
I'm still jokingly waiting for T-Mac to make that promise that he was gonna be a school teacher.... Referenced in a short clip in NBA Ballers for the ps2
I love tmac but gotta disagree. Most the arguments people in the comments bring are from after 2003. In 2003 manu was a rookie who was the 57th pick, tony wasn’t a star yet and david robinson was on his last year. That year was Tim Duncan carrying the spurs without a big 3.
@@JRMason-ri4ii the point tmac made was, you take TD off that 2003 team they still make the playoffs. That's not happening. They would get 9-10 seed at best. But shaq is also very wrong saying TD made those guys. They would still become all star caliber players without him in the next couple years.
Kobe had a better case than tmac. Kobe 02-03 also averaged 30 7 6 but was also first team all defense unlike tmac. Played all 82 games. 9 straight 40 point games.
2002-2003 TMAC averaged 32.1 points a game. Kobe witch is my man as well. Struggled to win against him. He had nightmares about TMAC. Kobe said himself. He was the only person he couldn’t figure out, because he changed his game so often.
no need to hide who u are or were as a person tho. i see alot of black men get money then start erasng their culture. its like they think they arent good enough to do everything
The man grew up! There should come a time in your life when you realize what is truly important. The girl on this show, (whoever she is) said she's attracted to a man with tattoos, so what! She acts as if someone should be swayed to think and behave a certain way because she's speaking for what women like. T-mac didn't want to be disrespectful, but who gives a f"*< what you find attractive. That man is more concerned about teaching his kids what's important, than to try and live up to your expectations. So your attracted to men v with tattoos, so I'm supposed to live my life according to what you believe is important? Go kick rocks. I like Shaq, but he is very immature. He will never understand where Tmac is coming from.
I remember meeting T-Mac when he was a rookie in Toronto and watching practices seeing all his talent. He's right Darrell Walker was a awful coach. He used to cuss out a rookie T-Mac all the time. I couldn't believe that's how these coaches talked to the players
TMac is one of my favorite players in the history of the sport but dude wasn't even top 3 for the MVP award in 2003. His team wasn't the 6th seed they were the 8th seed in the very weak eastern conference. For perspective the Rockets were the 9th seed in the west and didn't make the playoffs, but had a better record. Another thing; The western conference that year had 6 teams with at least 50 wins. The number 1 seed in the east only had 50 wins and were the only team with 50 wins in that conference. Tim Duncan was the driving force of a 60 win team in the west in one of the most competitive conferences we've ever seen. TMac is right that he absolutely carried that team to the playoffs, but let's not act like it was as great of a carry job like Iverson in 2001 or Russ and Harden in 2017. If TMac carried the Magic to the 1st seed in the east with the same stats then we would have a debate, but nah there's no debate on what actually happened.
I hated TMAC when I was growing up (as a player) mainly cuz I was an impressionable kid who LOVED Kobe. I remember we used to argue on the school bus about AI vs Kobe and then Kobe vs TMAC. I always sided with Kobe of course, but in my heart I would fear TMAC the most of taking over Kobe’s spot. As I got a littler older I really appreciated TMACs game and loved watching him. Never really saw him talk much during his career, but it really is awesome watching him talk, he’s so humble.
@@henrikntrl their career averages are fairly similar, with Kobe having a slight advantage in scoring and efficiency. Take out the championship factor (which is a TEAM accomplishment), and you could have a legitimate argument. Same could be said of Clyde Drexler.
Finally someone of relevance said the truth about Bill Walton. The dude had like 1 and a half good seasons in his career and made the top 50 player list, he's the most overrated player in NBA history.
@@commonsense3921 You're clearly a casual. Bill Walton in his prime was an unstoppable force. Won MVP, Finals MVP and won the NBA championship on the Blazers. Not to mention he also had a great run on the legendary 1986 Boston Celtics with Larry Bird. Bill Walton could score at the highest level, rebound, defend the paint, etc.
@Harry Snothead Totally wrong, Tim carried the '03 spurs. Parker was a baby who got cooked by everyone, and Robinson was on his literal last legs. Ridiculous statement and it reveals that you haven't watched a single Spurs game from 2003.
2003 Tim Duncan was a monster, he carried the spurs to the title almost single-handedly, ginobili was a rookie, Parker was 21 years old, Robinson was only a shell of his former self, so T-Mac is being ridiculous
People who didn't watch prime Duncan play needs to understand that he was basically Rudy on the defensive end and AD on the offensive end.... also carried himself consistently as a leader like Jokic through 80+ games and winning the chip. Sorry TMAC but there's really no debate.
@@thatboylije7892 Tim was a legend...but Rudy will go down as one of the greatest defensive anchors in history. Nothing wrong with the comparison in that regard.
I freaking love T-Mac going against the peer pressure and against the grain on the tattoo segment! I freakin love him pretty much calling out that woman that she pretty much wants a gangster as a man!
Tim had one of the greatest Carry jobs of all time in 2003. Tony and Manu are obviously hall of famers, but in 03 Parker was a sophomore point guard that was always getting chastised by pop lol and Manu was a 25 year old rookie. Great role players no doubt but not even close to what they ended up becoming. Tim that playoffs was a possessed man on a mission. He single handedly destroyed the the 3peat lakers enroute to a title.
Actually Robert Horry choked out that seriez for the lakers. He was completely trash in that series. Ko Horry and Lakers beat the Spurs that yr. Look it up. 0-18 from 3. Garbage fg% terrible on defense fhat series and 0-8fg in the clutch.
Good idea man. I love spice and the lady is nice but honestly why do they even bother ? Just take them both out and let Shaq do the podcast alone. Is not like they're bringing anything to the show. Spice is hilarious but he's just out of place in a Shaq podcast. And I get the lady is just there because of politics
Putting crazy numbers on bad teams is easier than in good teams because you gotta sacrifice. A good example is when Jordan had no help he put the craziest numbers of his career. Averaged like 37ppg, but when his teammates got better the numbers dropped. Does that mean that the 87 Jordan was better than 91? No
That's a terrible example because those 37pts were based on not playing in the triangle. The triangle was about ball sharing. We saw the same from kobe when he averaged 35 one year. As soon and Phil came back his numbers dipped.
You can also argue it can tougher to put up numbers on a bad team because there the opponents can focus more on that 1 player to take them out of their impact for their team. Sometimes it’s easier and sometimes it’s tougher
I don't think you are making the point you think you're making. Firstly the best year of Jordan's career was the 35 ppg season the year after that 37 point season. There are metrics that measure that. The 91 season was better than the 37 point season but not better than the 35 point season, which is probably the single best individual season in the history of the NBA... the fact it did not result in a championship is due to the talent around Jordan. Point is PPG does not indicate anything, you are 100% right about that, but In T-Mac's case though the 02 season isn't just about PPG, every advanced metric for example Box/+-, VORP, PER, Win Shares etc. had him ranked as the most impactful player in the NBA that season. Offensively by a country mile, and also overall... now it's also completely true that metrics we have now are fantastic at tracking offene but poor at capturing defensive impact soyou can absolutely make the argument 100% that Tim's defensive impact puts him on top of McGrady. But to disregard Grady as putting up big numbers on a bad team doesn't hold any water. His impact on the team was enormous. That Magic team could have been challenging for worst record in NBA history without McGrady, and that's no exageration. They had several key rotation players that wouldn't have been on the roster of 90% of NBA teams that year,.
@@kevinchavis2755 The thing is what "numbers" are we talking about? PPG is a bad stat, everyone knows that. But McGrady's advanced stats were insane that year, better than anyones. Those stats descriminate between bad players that put up big numbers on bad teams and actual studs stuck in bad teams.
Kemba Walker was putting 60 point games in the Charlotte Hornets and carried them to a bottom playoff team, when he went to Boston he quickly became an average starter
What McGrady and a lot of fans forget is that 2003 was sort of an in between season for the Spurs. Between the past greatness of David Robinson and the coming greatness of Manu and Tony. David was in his last season, still great at times but suffering from the back injury that finally ended his career. Although still the starter, he actually played fewer minutes than his backup, Rose. And Tony was still very young, and prone to disappearing at crucial times. Manu was a rookie with a bad ankle injury at the beginning of the season. He was just beginning to find his place on the Spurs and was q
It's sad, but part of the reason relatively younger players such as T-Mac think like this is because the sports media since about 2015 has tried to convince us that the Duncan-led Spurs were a superteam. A superteam that couldn't ever win BTB and went through a finals appearance drought until they got a young Kawhi Leonard to offset an aging Duncan. Shaq is correct here. The Spurs were a very good team and very consistent team but despite all the credit Popovich used to get, it all hinged on Tim Duncan. His presence made them a 50+ win team every season. But they were never a superteam. Ever. It's just revisionism due largely to the GOAT debate over which some people want to dismiss LeBron's losses to the Spurs in 2007 (wherein LeBron played poorly and lost two very close games in Cleveland) and 2014 (wherein the Heat were absolutely in the series until Kawhi outplayed LeBron the last three games of the series). They weren't THAT good. Tony became an all star, but he was never a superstar. And Manu was a 6th man who could be clutch but perhaps would've been exposed on another team as the primary option. They're probably going to be hall of famers because they won 4 titles with Duncan, but some people (I think disingenuously) throw that term around too loosely when assessing how talented a team was; there are levels and not every hall of famer was a superstar caliber player (maybe they should've been to be allowed in, but that's NBA hall of fame standards for you). And to address T-Mac's specific point on the playoffs, maybe the Spurs without Duncan could still make the playoffs in the weak east of those days, but not the west.
@@megavolt67 it's all about what narrative you want to create because the 07 spurs will be labeled too old by the jordan fans in order to diss lebron . see they really arent fans of the old school as much as they are jordan stans. check the hypocrisy though they get salty when you bring up the fact the pistons in 91 were on their last legs from the wars with boston and the lakers from the 80s . teams are only too old when bron faces them lol.They use the same logic against the 2000s Celtics
@@DrivenA111 I believe pretty much GInobili was the leader of that team, Tim was consistent but when the games were tough the one who never hesitated was Manu. And people who are not spurs fan wont ever believe it, but you have to watch the whole matches Ive seen Manu play and carry big time games, I believe thats why he is the winninges player In NBA History
Yes T. Mac! Onr of my FAVORITE NBA players ever! I'm so proud of his growth. I love it. Maturity is a wonderful thing. Don't clown him for evolving. It's a beautiful thing ❤️
2003 was the wrong year to question Timmy. He carried the Spurs. We are talking a broken Robinson rookie Ginobli and a sophmore Parker. 03 was the weakest Spurs championship team and with out Tim the Spurs dont make the playoffs.
@@kiwanjones7541 facts. They were a real team. They played real organized fundamental ball. Not this freakish athletic stuff of today where all you have to know how to do is be fast strong or can shoot from a distance. They had a system and if I could compare to a system outside of basketball it would be the new England Patriots.
Its hard to say 03 was the weakest because of how great Timmy was and they won 60 games that year. They also beat Shaq and Kobe. I would say 07 only because i felt like the Suns were the best team that year and i think the Spurs got lucky with the Steve Nash Robert Horry situation.
@@mikemajor9382 I get that but if you look at the squads 03 had less fire power. You had less established stars and it forced Timmy to do more. I do think the Suns probably win that series if the Horry situation doesnt play out but the fact that there was a better team than them doesnt make the squad weaker.
@@daadfasf9738 That’s a fair point but i will say this, Stephen Jackson played a big role on that 03 team. But you’re right about Manu and Tony. They were much better players in 07
People really act like former NBA players were allowed to pull out machetes when playing defense. Great players will eat in any era. Some players stats would change based on style of play and pace but the impact would mostly remain the same.
If we're talking the 07 Spurs when Tony was entering his prime.. yeah the Spurs would have been a playoff team without Timmy. But not in 03, Tony was too young, Manu was a rookie
@@AqwDragulum Manu should have been 05 FMVP. Even in 2004, Tony and Manu were two of the best guards in the league. It took that Derek Fisher 0.4 shot to beat them.
Tony Parker’s prime was much later: 2011 to 2015. Probably top 5 in the world at that point. Besides Curry, I don’t think any point guard got close to that level (maybe CP3).
Manu was in his rookie year and Parker was in his sophomore year they definitely don’t make the playoffs without Tim, Tim turned that team into a 60 win championship team
Tmac is my favorite player of all time. Loved watching him play as a young kid. He single handedly helped me grow to love the game. I remember balling in the white/grey tmacs in middle school. He also had the first pair of shoes I had ever seen be 2 different colors. I think it was the all stars. I heard they are bringing his shoes back too. I gotta grab a pair for the collection..... I'm just here to give the man his flowers though. ALL respect my brother
One of my long time childhood ball buddies actually has a pair of his houston rocket addition all red adidas I love how they started selling those again and the Reebok Q's from Allen Iverson
Tmac still has one of the most impressive jumps in stats in modern NBA times, when he arrived to Orlando from Toronto in his first season he went from 34 game starts to 77 with that his stats looked like: Raptors: 15.4PPG/6.3RBD/3.3AST/1.9BLK/1.1STL on 45/27/70 shooting splits ORL 26.8PPG/7.5RBD/4.6AST/1.5STL/1.5BLK on 45/35/73 shooting splits People forget how well of a 2 way player Mac was in his younger days.. 2 blocks a game and steal is huge for a SG/SF.. he had his best defensive days in TOR/ORL with career highs in blocks and rebounds. Really wish TMAC got a ring it’s a shame
@@chrisburns143 Did watch that series they were about to go up 3-1 and he broke his foot. Shane Battier, T MAC and YAO, there were a few more players also.
I read some where (maybe Bleacher?) about how Steph learned how to tumble after his ankle injury and that has helped him quite a bit when he drives to the hoop. He intentionally falls/tumbles to cushion his landing avoiding injuries. However, you cant stop father time though.
@@siriusblack7714 its way better than landing on someones ankle and twisting yours in the process. Most of these injuries happen because the player is paying way too much attention to the ball in the air and not paying attention/prepping to land from their jump. D Wade was good at tumbling too. I think most players now days fall for a bail out foul call from refs...
@@Bo55edup yea it's alot of old folks especially black women acting like 8 year old out here. I've seen countless women in their 50s with the mindset of toddlers.
T-mac sounds based, mature and humble. Glad he ain't listening to the peanut gallery. People act like you ain't black if you don't do immature things. Life ain't supposed to be about tats and rims.
Its not. but at same time. having tats and rims does not make you less respectable which is sort of what TMac is saying between the lines. So both sides of the arguments are kind of ridiculous to be honest. He can do what he wants.
@@tarekt8427 he is not saying that at all, he’s just saying he isn’t the same guy he was when he was 18yrs old. He has matured and feels like he doesn’t need those things that his younger self thought needed or were the cool thing to do/have.
TMAC, Shaq, and AI was my favorite players of all time.. Tracy was different man. I will never forget he single handedly beat the spurs with like 40 seconds to go. He scored like 11-13 points.. best performance i ever saw.
Shaq is entertaining but is near incoherent at times. Example: he complains that nowadays it's about team success for the MVP yet brings up Russ and oh btw Jokic won last year on a non-elite team. Also he dismisses Steph in previous eras yet it's his favorite player.
i think the difference is that russ’ was an anomaly what he did was ridiculous but the jokic one was okay cause he was the 3rd seed. I cant help with the steph argument tho 😭
@@KingHavok01 but guys. I just looked at the list from 85-2014. 3rd seed was the lowest MVP winner in the whole span and most were 1st seed. It just shows that Shaq is all diesel emotion and swagger. That doesn't mean he's making any sense. He's a gem on the court and entertaining off but his analysis overall is a mess.
Two Legends I love both of them!! I played ball on AAU teams and thru middle school high school grew up watching Shaq and TMac Dunkin on homies 🔥🔥🔥🔥#Legend🏀♥️♥️♥️ 🏆
All these comments saying Shaq disrespected Manu and Tony… We are talking about 2003. The spurs were in a transition and both of them were rookies, none of them are all star level yet. And the admiral was no where near his prime and in fact retired right after. Check their stats and watch the games first. All Spurs did was throwing the ball down in the post to TD and all their plays started from there. Evaluating single playoff run with their whole career is ridiculous. I would argue Manu might be the finals mvp for 05, but 03 Spurs won it all with just 1 star player that’s a fact. It’s so rare that it didn’t happen again until 2011 (with Dirk and his Mavs). I love T Mac to death, he was the reason I started watching NBA and I believe he never reached his prime due to injuries, but ever since he retired he be putting out ridiculous comments to stay relevant😂
I agree Duncan was a deserving MVP but I don't think it's a ridiculous argument to say T-Mac was the best player in the NBA that season and deserving of at least serious MVP consideration. Yes Duncan Spurs were not a great team around him, but they were studs compared to the T-Macs supporting cast. That's not to say that I don't think Duncan was the best all around player that year, but T-Mac put up 32 points in one of the lowest scoring eras in NBA history. Adjusted for pace it would have been around a 36 point in today's NBA (probably more if you also adjust his 3pt volume) and he led a team with the second best player being Drew Gooden and a 35 year old Darrell Armstrong to the playoffs and almost to the second round. You take T-Mac from that team and it's a safe bet they finish dead last in the east. You take Duncan out of that Spurs team and you potentially still have an eigth seed with Pop coaching that team, of course with Duncan they were a #1 seed and eventual champions so, again, not saying he wasn't deserving, just pointing out that it is debatable.
When T Mac played for Orlando he pulled his Bentley parked in front of the club. Walked in with shorts & white tee, bought out the bar, VIP stayed for all 30 minutes left like a boss. That boy was off the hook in the O town.💯
The first part of this interview hearing TMac talk about his growth sounds like a man who found God for real. Good for him, love to hear it! And home girl was low key shootin her shot lol
As a lifelong Spurs fan, I have to lay down some facts really quick when T-Mac is talking about 2003. Tony Parker averaged 15 and 5 but he was in his second season and wasn't an All-Star until 2006. Ginobili was in his first year and was averaging 8 ppg coming off the bench. The other starters that year? Bruce Bowen, Stephen Jackson and 37 year old David Robinson (Malik Rose was the sixth man). So when he says "the Spurs would have been a playoff team without Duncan because they had Parker and Ginobili", he's wrong. They probably wouldn't have even had a winning record and might have been a lottery team. In fact, the big MVP case for Duncan at the time was how he was managing to single-handedly carry this team of role players to 60 wins. The icing on the cake was in the playoffs when he outplayed Shaq 1v1 in the WCF when the Lakers were going for a 4-peat and then almost getting a quadruple double to clinch the chip. Sorry Tracy, you were awesome that year, but TD rightfully deserved MVP.
@@iaminhuman9357 I think either TP or Kawhi were probably the best in 2014 but that was definitely a *team* win and they wouldn't have done it without Tim
Kobe and Tmac were equals for about 5 years. What took Kobe over the top was his relentless defense. The mamba was a beast on both ends, this is the facts 🐍♾️
That Utah Jazz team shows that athleticism and raw talent doesnt win but IQ and team play. They played together for so many years and assembled good group of supporting teammates with good coach. If it wasnt for Jordan they would have 2 championships.
Rodman played terrible against Malone, especially in '97. They mostly were putting Toni Kukoc, Brian Williams and Luc Longley on Malone. '98 went a little better for Rodman. But he wasn't remotely like he was in '96 against Kemp.
5:35 talks about his Rookie year coach. 7:30 Shaq talks about instigating match ups and not helping on Defense. 9:15 talks about his welcome to the league moment when GP schooled him. 10:40 Talks Steve Smith teaching him. 11:30 can today’s guys play with them back in the day. 14:20 Joel Embiid. 15:00 top 75 list. 16:20 speak on HOFer. 16:50 MVP race in today’s NBA. 17:50 talks 2003 MVP and himself not winning. 19:00 Tim Duncan’s influence on TParker and Manu. 20:16 DeMar for MVP. 21:12 TMAC 1V1 league. 24:08 Shaq tries to take his shoe off. 25:00 Zion might have to get his body done.
I agree Tim Duncan was so underrated, he should have been in the top 8 of the 75 list. Tim Duncan made Tony Parker and Manu better players. TMac I would have put him on the 75 list ahead of Lillard (Bernard King due to stats should be on the 75 list also)
Ahh no. The right player won the MVP in 2003. We have no idea what the Spurs would have been without Tim Duncan that season. Not only did he carry the offensive load, he was a defensive force as well. Tim Duncan in 2003 had the 3rd greatest playoff run by any player as ranked by ESPN. And they had rookie Manu Ginobili, a sophomore Tony Parker and a David Robinson who was going to retire. Not only that, they also beat the Lakers with Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal in the second round.
@joceja23 manu in 02/03 season was playing 20 minutes, made 8 ppg and barely 2 rbds. It's good for a rookie but it certainly wasnt his prime. In his prime, still 6th man, he made twice those stats in 30 minutes.
i grew up a tmac fan. he was MY GUY!! the arguments i used to have at the lunch room table about how good this dude was..But at no point did i think he deserved any mvp.
“Could they have played with us” could go both ways. More guys from this era could play back then than players from back then being able to play today. Giannis would still be a star back then. Shaq sounds like the typical old head but he has a lot of good points on things and it’s refreshing to hear a straight talker who isn’t being politically correct. This should be the whole team for this podcast I’d tune in all the time😂
I agree with Giannis being a star but he’s not dominating in that era. He’d have to go up against Tim Duncan, Pat Ewing, David Robinson, maybe even Rodman, Olajuwon, Shaq, etc… he’s not going to be the Giannis we see today.
@@d.supreme8592 Stop Ewing has the most disrespectful dunk on him by Scottie Pippen. If Pippen can do that to Ewing imagine what Giannis would do to him. Isiah Thomas said the same things "He's dogging all of you!"
@@d.supreme8592 You're forgetting besides Hakeem and Rodman, most of the guys you mentioned aren't picking Giannis up at full court, there are ways to isolate players, they won't even pick him up at half court or the perimeter, just look at who guards him when he's on the floor today, all of them will be slow on rotations and get into foul trouble like the bigs today if they think they're going to guard him and if they pick him up at half court he's too quick. Shaq was quick for a big man, Giannis is quick period. No one is going to stop Giannis from getting his in those eras, especially the pick and roll era, he'd have a field day with mismatches, players are far more athletic today and still struggle to stop him, people forget you're talking about maybe 4-5 teams with really great bigs out of 30 teams meaning he could definitely dominate. He isn't playing the guys you mentioned for 82 games and they're just not capable of containing him, I watched them all. If you said someone like Pippen fair enough but even then, how many Pippens were in the league and Pippen would only disrupt him for on very few plays
@@mumble97 getting dunked on is what happens when you’re constantly meeting world-level athletes at the rim. Not really sure why you think 1 fast break play where Ewing was backpedaling is how every play with Giannis would go
Anyone who watched the NBA in the early 2000's were blessed. We had AI, Kobe, T-Mac, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Vince Carter, Shaq, Duncan, Jason Williams, etc. They were real hoopers.
I Don t think Parker would of been successfull on any other team without pop but manu was capable of going to different teams and starting be an all star. Tony carried the team as a scorer when Tim got to old but Tim was still a top 8 big even after his 20 PPG and 10+ RPG era
Y’all be tripping with these comments Tony Parker was one of the best point guards ever and he was pretty much unstoppable when he wanted to score. Not sure how old you are but no way you watched Games for you to say that
Seriously Tony Parker had a wicked first step in his prime with good handles. Tony would do most of his damage from mid range or he would drive and dish.
Listening to this makes me miss Kobe. Man, it would have been fun to watch them team up. That would have been Showtime 2.0. It also made me think of all the great players whose career narrative would have been if they hadn't been injured: imagine where they would be on the GOAT list if T-Mac, Grant Hill and Kobe had been able to avoid the major injuries.
@@akwwalker8782 Still... Kobe getting injured is pretty much like MJ getting injured for a whole generation .. so yeah . Lol T Mac was AI, VC , Barkley, (prime) Westbrook, (prime) Harden, Malone, Stockton, CP3 , level .
Going by T-mac's argument, particularly in 03, if Timmy was taken out of that team they're not going to make it to the playoffs. The was composed of an aging Robinson (final year), 2nd year Tony Parker, rookie Ginobili. Parker, who was their 2nd leading scorer averaged only 15.5 ppg, followed by Stephen Jackson 11.8 and Malik Rose with 10.8 per game. Timmy was averaging 23.3 points, 12.9 rebounds and 2.9 blocks. Robinson was helping but only 8 points, 7 rebounds and a block per game. The #9 seed Suns is an above 500 team. If Timmy was taken out, they won't make it.
Dead on, TD was carrying his 2003 Spurs iteration, dominating in the unbelievable West and also was the one that slain the Shaq-Kobe Lakers at their maximum height, their three-peat form. There's ignorance or underappreciating on Duncan so it's not known, and TMac was great, but going at Duncan's MVP is crazy.
Spot on, thank you very much for pointing this out. T Mac was obviously a fan favorite (for good reason) and a lot of people claim because he got the scoring title in 03, that he should have gotten the MVP. People forget that Robinson was diminished heavily over his last 3 years and Tony and Manu took a few years before they became stars.
How can you say Giannis wouldn't be as great. "His game is predicated on coming downhill" TMAC LITERALLY PLAYED WITH GRANT HILL. Grant hills game, was going down hill. I'm a big grant hill fan, so Giannis could do that exactly. He'd be fine.
I don't agree with them, but then to T-Macs point; yes Giannis could play but how long would he be that effective. After a while the injuries started adding up on G-Hill. Who knows, if Giannis was in that era, sure he'd still have success and become one of the 75 greatest players we've ever seen. Though how long would it last?
Grant Hill was the man. I remember having his jersey and kicks. Those Fila's Was so clean. I'm also a fan of Giannis too. I'd like to think he could have been good but not like he is today. Like Tmac said the lane was a lot more congested back then. So many great big men of that Era.
5:35 talks about his Rookie year coach. 7:30 Shaq talks about instigating match ups and not helping on Defense. 9:15 talks about his welcome to the league moment when GP schooled him. 10:40 Talks Steve Smith teaching him. 11:30 can today’s guys play with them back in the day. 14:20 Joel Embiid. 15:00 top 75 list. 16:20 speak on HOFer. 16:50 MVP race in today’s NBA. 17:50 talks 2003 MVP and himself not winning. 19:00 Tim Duncan’s influence on TParker and Manu. 20:16 DeMar for MVP. 21:12 TMAC 1V1 league. 24:08 Shaq tries to take his shoe off. 25:00 Zion might have to get his body done. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Goated for this
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God bless you
Your good man. Thanks
Real MVP right here
Duncan's 2003 season is one of the greatest of all time.
Yet both *Kobe And T-Mac* had better seasons lol especially Kobe
@@Darius_Icewood nah fam cmon… 03 was Tim year.
@Drew obv tim hes 7ft
Tim Duncan was unstobbale that year and even Shaq defended him immediately
Tmac in 2003 stopped playing that defense he was great before, was too focus on scoring, his team never improved much
TMac: “In order for the game to go back to where it was, there’s gonna have to be another Shaq”
Shaq: “That ain’t gonna happen because I got rid of all the blueprints”
Bro😂😂 14:10
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Such a legend he ain't lyin
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Tracy Mcgrady was on an equal level to Kobe Bryant for about 4 ro 5 years. He is definitely a top 75 player. One of the most impressive players I've seen in the last 25 years. A true superstar.
Kobe played defense that's what separated them on the court obviously Kobe worked harder but tmac was more talented
@@marcusreed5862 Tmac was a great defender when he needed to be. The difference was Kobe lifted which made him last longer
Facts
He’ll naw no top 75
he was older n bigger than kobe
Tmac obviously has a bias towards himself lol but it’s fun to listen to the arguments. Tmac had 7 years of 25ppg over his career, he’s definitely got that longevity despite all the injuries / years not given a chance
No playoff success is a huge black mark. Yeah I know no help but it was the East.
Just like shaq has a bias towards himself and other big men
Who's not going to be bias towards themselves
@@tubewatcher1979 right lebron had success without help d rose 🌹 made it no excuses for t Mac especially in Orlando and definitely should’ve won in Houston with Yao
Not given a chance? Dude never got out the first round like ever. And blew a 3-1 lead. He def had enough talent in Houston to get it done
T-mac should be a regular host he has great energy with the squad
Facts
Only if he can actually learn to sit up straight I stead of laying almost completely flat.
@@zacflemo1994 KB uu
@@ignoblesavage5559 he can sit however he wants to sit
@@thatdidntagewell4689 good lord, is that what you took out of my comment? That I'm somehow seriously trying to dictate how the man sits? Can't believe I have to explain this.
What I said had nothing to do with "telling" TM to do ANYTHING. It was an unserious observation based on the FACT that no host of any talk show or podcast is reclining to the degree that he does. I dont know, maybe you've seen shows where the interviewer (OR interviewee) is pretty much laying down.
This wasn't even a joke per se...just a mildly humorous observation of his sitting habits. I notice it because I sit the same way, partly to keep various arthritic joints from hurting.
Shaq is right. Embiid isn't dominant. He's much more versatile. However, I believe Shaq would son him in the paint. And TMac belongs in the top 75
Why??
Respect to TMac for trying to set a good example for his kids and doing him.
Soft.
Naw that's a grown man bruh
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I actually gained a lot of respect for T-Mac in this interview after hearing him talk about his tattoos. Everyone on there is trying to pressure him and he stands by what he wants to do and what he believes. It can’t be easy on national TV, being pressured by the likes of Shaquille O’Neal-I have a lot of respect for that-he’s his own person.
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He also mentioned he only have a car. Prudence and practical
Ok bro...cool
TMAC & SHAQ debating puts a huge smile on my face. I love this content
Me too man this was awesome
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Shaq is wrong the spurs was always a playoff team when they got Tim they where a championship team 🤷🏿♂️
TMac was so disgusted when Shaq threatened to take his shoes off 😂😂 “We’ve all seen them bro. We’ve all seen them”
2003 Duncan had one of the best start to finish seasons in NBA history that year. Tmacs my fave player ever, but Duncan deserved the MVP. Start go finish he had one of the top 5 best seasons ever. Also it was the 2003 season we're talking about, Duncan was the only all star. David Robinson was at the end, Tony was a 2nd yesr guy, Manu a rookie. It got so bad for Tony in the playoffs Pop was starting Speed Claxton in playoff games over him
An also he almost got traded for Jason Kidd I think u year later! Alot folks don't remember that
Duncan was thriving because of the system tmac had to get it out the mud
This. Tony and Manu were pretty green and weren't All-Stars in 2003.
Tmac's team was the 8th seed in the East, he trippin. And btw, he only got 4th place in votings, it was Timmy, KG, Kobe then TMac. He didn't have a chance and no one was arguing for him at the time
@@quentinsowell3704 This is such an ignorant take. Duncan was the system. The Spurs literally played around Duncan during the early to mid 2000s. The reason why everyone found the Spurs boring was because they constantly played around Duncan just posting up and him deciding what to do from there. Ginobili was a rookie and Parker was only in his 2nd year in 2003. David Robinson was also at the end of his career. Duncan carried the Spurs in 2003. It was only until the later 2000s when the Spurs became that great all-around team with a great system.
One point Tracy is overlooking is how stacked the West was back then. When the Lakers went on that 3-peat, everyone knew the Western Conference Finals winner was the Finals winner. THAT was the real championship. Facing the East's winner was just a formality.
The Pistons bucked that trend at the height of the Shaq/Kobe beef, but ain't no way the Pacers, 76ers, Nets, whoever was going to win a series against the Lakers or Spurs (or even others) at that time. The Magic just making the playoffs in the East was not as impressive as what Duncan did when Manu & Parker were new & Robinson was on his last leg.
why are you even talking about Playoffs when it's about Regular season MVP?
When the Lakers went on their 3 peat, David Stern and Tim Donaghy already knew they were going to win.
I think he would know he was there in the West and the east lol
Beef or no beef with Shaq/Kobe Pistons were winning that. Just wanna clarify that for you Lakers fans
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T-Mac & AI made me love the game of basketball. I don't think I can ever skip through a vid of him speaking his mind. Dope vid
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Two ball hogs who couldn’t make their teammates or team better, they scored a lot but that doesn’t mean nothing for rings.
@@MrBallie1975AI went to the final with the sixers.
Kobe. Ai. Tmac those are my top 3
@@MrBallie1975you need your phone taken away sir
The whole "can he play in my era" argument is fallacious. It assumes that players like Giannis and Steph would not adjust their play to the rules of the past and will play the same way that they do now. Players adjust to whatever the rules are when they're playing.
Steph wouldn't be able to period
@@gravediggass what would happen then if steph is pulling from half court and the defense stretches out to stop him? The whole floor opens up when u have a Shooter like that handling the rock and most guys in that era were not that quick switching assingnements they were very hard headed when defending.
@@fillitesm you're delusional. He wouldn't even make it to the league in that Era shooting like that. He would be forced to play like a true pg ,score by getting to the basket and get fouled.
@@gravediggass and Curry would excel at that too. Tim Hardaway, Kevin Johnson, Mark Price, Mamoud Abdul Rauf, Mookie Blaylock, Muggsy Bouges and other small point guards did well in the 90's and Curry is better than all of them.
well there is truth there, some players wouldnt even get playing time if they could not play defense. Giannis would not be the bully-ball-player he is today because of how many bigs there were, he might be how he was when he entered the league.
I love the respect Shaq has for Duncan he made everybody better around him.
Yea but tmac was right they still make the playoffs but Duncan gets them over when it's comes to winning a ring
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@@nature-kv3xe not at allll. go back and what happened vs the sun's. ight then...remind me how that wasn't mono and toilet papers intro into the NBA and Duncan's double teams didn't make they lil 15 and 12 ppg
@@nature-kv3xe who was going to make up Duncan's defense?? making them a top defensive team? or the double attention? the rebounds?? y'all straight wildin
@@nature-kv3xe the second option was a 20yr old sophomore Tony Parker. Not even close to being in his prime.
Manu was a rookie averaging 7.8 ppg
Robinson was a 37 yr old vet only averaging 8pts and 8 Rebs
40 yr old Kevin Willis averaged 4 points
37 yr old Steve Kerr averaged 4 pts
And it just gets worse from there.
I liked the fact Tracy talked on his growth of removing his tats and being him. For those who want to keep them or put them on that's being you. But it is also refreshing to hear Tracy be himself as well with no compromise
This is the worst argument against Timmy. That year was his peak. He average double double. Triple double in the finals
also almost 3 blks per game...
Tim Duncan 2003 Season
- MVP
- First Team All NBA
- First Team All Defense
- Championship
- Finals MVP
This is true but MVP is a regular season award and T-Mac was better in the reg season even though Duncan was better overall for the entire season.
@@gorkajames6475 yall forgot the runner up that year was jason kidd, regular season leader in triple doubles and got his team to the finals 2 years in a row
Defeated prime Shaq and Kobe. Who where 3 peat defending champions
"They got a well-oiled machine"
"Yeah, Tim Duncan"
FACTS lol
Great comment SHAQ! 🤣
Wrong
Sure, take Parker, Ginobli and Bowen away and see what they do
Shaq just hatin. Ginobli and Parker were all-star players and would have better stats if Tim Duncan wasnt playing. Give them more touches and they would average 25 ppg. But with TIm Duncan, they're a dynasty.
@@zpacify They weren’t All-Stars in 03
Shaq was right on the point. Duncan was on another level that year too he definitely was the Spurs and even Parker, Ginobli and Pop all admit there is no championships or the playoffs they might have been close to a 50/50 record but they don't win without Duncan and they aren't Hall of famers without Tim getting doubled constantly and feeding them the ball to give them the chances to develop and get easier shots off to become the players they became. Idc nobody compares to Kobe or even D Wade on his teams, Tim made everyone better and was the anchor for their defense which was always the top of the list as the best defensive team back than and you don't have the best defense without Tim Duncan
Man I miss early 00's Spurs vs Lakers. Those games/series were so intense. 05' finals of Spurs vs Pistons is my favorite of all time. I'm probably in the minority here but I miss me those 86-82 games. Back when playing defense mattered and you couldn't take 2.5 - 3 steps with the ball.
And in 2000 when Tim got injured for the playoffs it was a cake walk for the Lakers. Wasn’t even competitive.
Glad T-Mac said he wants to grow up. Removing tattoos, removing the rims on his cars, trying to be a strong figure for his kids. We need more black men to do this. It's not about those things per se. It's the fact that he is consciously separating himself from his youth.
The players with gold chains, pimped up cars and 50k shoes don't last long after getting out of the league and their guaranteed contract money stops coming. You either grow up or you go homeless after a while because you can't afford to pay for your monthly car service and rent for your apartment anymore.
Huh how does tattoos have anything to do with being a strong figure
100% it’s not about those things but it’s nothing wrong with the people who enjoy having those things. Getting rid of jewelry and tattoos has nothing to do with maturing, it’s all a mindset type of thing.
I'm still jokingly waiting for T-Mac to make that promise that he was gonna be a school teacher.... Referenced in a short clip in NBA Ballers for the ps2
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I love tmac but gotta disagree. Most the arguments people in the comments bring are from after 2003. In 2003 manu was a rookie who was the 57th pick, tony wasn’t a star yet and david robinson was on his last year. That year was Tim Duncan carrying the spurs without a big 3.
Still, Tim didn’t MAKE them, they were great in their own regard
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@@JRMason-ri4ii both u and OP is true if we talking just 2003
@@JRMason-ri4ii the point tmac made was, you take TD off that 2003 team they still make the playoffs. That's not happening. They would get 9-10 seed at best. But shaq is also very wrong saying TD made those guys. They would still become all star caliber players without him in the next couple years.
Providing context makes basketball debates not fun because it ends arguments early. You should just go along with it.
Kobe had a better case than tmac. Kobe 02-03 also averaged 30 7 6 but was also first team all defense unlike tmac. Played all 82 games. 9 straight 40 point games.
Preach brother! They did Kobe dirty many times over
2002-2003 TMAC averaged 32.1 points a game. Kobe witch is my man as well. Struggled to win against him. He had nightmares about TMAC. Kobe said himself. He was the only person he couldn’t figure out, because he changed his game so often.
Frl we missing so much would love to hear his take on this
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Incorrect! Just looked it up! Kobe averaged 24ppg in 2003. Straight up lie just like the war in Iraq and all the wars.
Tim Duncan deserved every bit of that MVP and he proved it in the end.
So much respect for T-Mac. Each to their own but I’m with him - no need to flash tattoos or bling when you have riches in the bank and in your heart.
Well said.
no need to hide who u are or were as a person tho. i see alot of black men get money then start erasng their culture. its like they think they arent good enough to do everything
Mr.shmekel maybe that’s how You feel, but some people just like what they like and after so long of liking something it will get old
The man grew up! There should come a time in your life when you realize what is truly important. The girl on this show, (whoever she is) said she's attracted to a man with tattoos, so what! She acts as if someone should be swayed to think and behave a certain way because she's speaking for what women like. T-mac didn't want to be disrespectful, but who gives a f"*< what you find attractive. That man is more concerned about teaching his kids what's important, than to try and live up to your expectations. So your attracted to men v with tattoos, so I'm supposed to live my life according to what you believe is important? Go kick rocks. I like Shaq, but he is very immature. He will never understand where Tmac is coming from.
I swear only broke ppl say this. You can do all that and still be humble. You sound insecure about your own life lmap
I remember meeting T-Mac when he was a rookie in Toronto and watching practices seeing all his talent. He's right Darrell Walker was a awful coach. He used to cuss out a rookie T-Mac all the time. I couldn't believe that's how these coaches talked to the players
Pop is like that. But hey, it worked.
@@johncarranza Comparing Pop to Darrell Walker is like comparing a Ferrari to a 1980s Pinto.
@@tevinsherrill5653 I’m only comparing the way coaches talk to their players. There’s absolutely no one compares to Pop.
You worked for the team?
I love Tracy's laid back energy
I remember he played super laid back in the 2003-04 season
Confidence never has to be loud or exagerated. It speaks for itself.
His ge is smooth like that too
His game was also laided back and smooth
@@mr.onehundon2946 I liked his game.
Me and TMac had the exact same reaction to Shaq 🤣🤣 24:40 I'm like "Bro where you going with this?"
TMac is one of my favorite players in the history of the sport but dude wasn't even top 3 for the MVP award in 2003. His team wasn't the 6th seed they were the 8th seed in the very weak eastern conference. For perspective the Rockets were the 9th seed in the west and didn't make the playoffs, but had a better record. Another thing; The western conference that year had 6 teams with at least 50 wins. The number 1 seed in the east only had 50 wins and were the only team with 50 wins in that conference. Tim Duncan was the driving force of a 60 win team in the west in one of the most competitive conferences we've ever seen. TMac is right that he absolutely carried that team to the playoffs, but let's not act like it was as great of a carry job like Iverson in 2001 or Russ and Harden in 2017. If TMac carried the Magic to the 1st seed in the east with the same stats then we would have a debate, but nah there's no debate on what actually happened.
East was pretty decent those early years
The east was not weak in the 2000s
@@quintidwell99 huh?
right thanks for putting things into perspective
Love T-Mac
I hated TMAC when I was growing up (as a player) mainly cuz I was an impressionable kid who LOVED Kobe. I remember we used to argue on the school bus about AI vs Kobe and then Kobe vs TMAC. I always sided with Kobe of course, but in my heart I would fear TMAC the most of taking over Kobe’s spot. As I got a littler older I really appreciated TMACs game and loved watching him. Never really saw him talk much during his career, but it really is awesome watching him talk, he’s so humble.
Same thing happen to me!
Same lol
From 01-03 it was all Kobe vs. Tmac on the school bus
Tmac better talent than kobe. Kobe just better work ethic
@@henrikntrl their career averages are fairly similar, with Kobe having a slight advantage in scoring and efficiency. Take out the championship factor (which is a TEAM accomplishment), and you could have a legitimate argument. Same could be said of Clyde Drexler.
TMAC just dropped a GEM on ALL hoopers and trainers
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I like how Shaq keeps it real 😂😂😂
He keeps it real dumb
Finally someone of relevance said the truth about Bill Walton. The dude had like 1 and a half good seasons in his career and made the top 50 player list, he's the most overrated player in NBA history.
@@commonsense3921 You're clearly a casual. Bill Walton in his prime was an unstoppable force. Won MVP, Finals MVP and won the NBA championship on the Blazers. Not to mention he also had a great run on the legendary 1986 Boston Celtics with Larry Bird. Bill Walton could score at the highest level, rebound, defend the paint, etc.
If he kept it real he would of said McGrady ain’t a HOFer
@Harry Snothead Totally wrong, Tim carried the '03 spurs. Parker was a baby who got cooked by everyone, and Robinson was on his literal last legs. Ridiculous statement and it reveals that you haven't watched a single Spurs game from 2003.
2003 Tim Duncan was a monster, he carried the spurs to the title almost single-handedly, ginobili was a rookie, Parker was 21 years old, Robinson was only a shell of his former self, so T-Mac is being ridiculous
People who didn't watch prime Duncan play needs to understand that he was basically Rudy on the defensive end and AD on the offensive end.... also carried himself consistently as a leader like Jokic through 80+ games and winning the chip. Sorry TMAC but there's really no debate.
A “shell” of a HoF is still better than most players
@@spacebjorn Tim Duncan was leagues better defensively than gobert don’t ever compare them again
@@thatboylije7892 Tim was a legend...but Rudy will go down as one of the greatest defensive anchors in history. Nothing wrong with the comparison in that regard.
@@karimw.9954 stop
I freaking love T-Mac going against the peer pressure and against the grain on the tattoo segment! I freakin love him pretty much calling out that woman that she pretty much wants a gangster as a man!
Tim had one of the greatest Carry jobs of all time in 2003. Tony and Manu are obviously hall of famers, but in 03 Parker was a sophomore point guard that was always getting chastised by pop lol and Manu was a 25 year old rookie. Great role players no doubt but not even close to what they ended up becoming. Tim that playoffs was a possessed man on a mission. He single handedly destroyed the the 3peat lakers enroute to a title.
i think they have old david robinson in 03 to nobody mention it like he is not a part of the team
Dirk in 2011 thwarts the rest
Facts
@@florencesmith8879 i agree, he had good players around him but everyone was out of their prime by that point..
Actually Robert Horry choked out that seriez for the lakers. He was completely trash in that series. Ko Horry and Lakers beat the Spurs that yr. Look it up. 0-18 from 3. Garbage fg% terrible on defense fhat series and 0-8fg in the clutch.
Makes you imagine what a Kobe and Shaq podcast would have been like. RIP Mamba 4 Ever
I would like T-Mac and Shaq to make their own Podcast. I could listen to them talk for hours. Call it Big Bro/ Little Bro
Shaq got too much clout . T Mac would bring his numbers down. It is what it is though. I’ll still watch it.
Good idea man. I love spice and the lady is nice but honestly why do they even bother ? Just take them both out and let Shaq do the podcast alone. Is not like they're bringing anything to the show. Spice is hilarious but he's just out of place in a Shaq podcast. And I get the lady is just there because of politics
@@chiiknwaayne7705 tf you talking bout T-mac is loved just as much
100%
The appropriate name would be “In our day w/ Shaq & Mac”
Putting crazy numbers on bad teams is easier than in good teams because you gotta sacrifice. A good example is when Jordan had no help he put the craziest numbers of his career. Averaged like 37ppg, but when his teammates got better the numbers dropped. Does that mean that the 87 Jordan was better than 91? No
That's a terrible example because those 37pts were based on not playing in the triangle. The triangle was about ball sharing. We saw the same from kobe when he averaged 35 one year. As soon and Phil came back his numbers dipped.
You can also argue it can tougher to put up numbers on a bad team because there the opponents can focus more on that 1 player to take them out of their impact for their team. Sometimes it’s easier and sometimes it’s tougher
I don't think you are making the point you think you're making. Firstly the best year of Jordan's career was the 35 ppg season the year after that 37 point season. There are metrics that measure that. The 91 season was better than the 37 point season but not better than the 35 point season, which is probably the single best individual season in the history of the NBA... the fact it did not result in a championship is due to the talent around Jordan. Point is PPG does not indicate anything, you are 100% right about that, but In T-Mac's case though the 02 season isn't just about PPG, every advanced metric for example Box/+-, VORP, PER, Win Shares etc. had him ranked as the most impactful player in the NBA that season. Offensively by a country mile, and also overall... now it's also completely true that metrics we have now are fantastic at tracking offene but poor at capturing defensive impact soyou can absolutely make the argument 100% that Tim's defensive impact puts him on top of McGrady. But to disregard Grady as putting up big numbers on a bad team doesn't hold any water. His impact on the team was enormous. That Magic team could have been challenging for worst record in NBA history without McGrady, and that's no exageration. They had several key rotation players that wouldn't have been on the roster of 90% of NBA teams that year,.
@@kevinchavis2755 The thing is what "numbers" are we talking about? PPG is a bad stat, everyone knows that. But McGrady's advanced stats were insane that year, better than anyones. Those stats descriminate between bad players that put up big numbers on bad teams and actual studs stuck in bad teams.
Kemba Walker was putting 60 point games in the Charlotte Hornets and carried them to a bottom playoff team, when he went to Boston he quickly became an average starter
What McGrady and a lot of fans forget is that 2003 was sort of an in between season for the Spurs. Between the past greatness of David Robinson and the coming greatness of Manu and Tony. David was in his last season, still great at times but suffering from the back injury that finally ended his career. Although still the starter, he actually played fewer minutes than his backup, Rose.
And Tony was still very young, and prone to disappearing at crucial times.
Manu was a rookie with a bad ankle injury at the beginning of the season. He was just beginning to find his place on the Spurs and was q
Yes indeed!
It's sad, but part of the reason relatively younger players such as T-Mac think like this is because the sports media since about 2015 has tried to convince us that the Duncan-led Spurs were a superteam. A superteam that couldn't ever win BTB and went through a finals appearance drought until they got a young Kawhi Leonard to offset an aging Duncan. Shaq is correct here.
The Spurs were a very good team and very consistent team but despite all the credit Popovich used to get, it all hinged on Tim Duncan. His presence made them a 50+ win team every season. But they were never a superteam. Ever. It's just revisionism due largely to the GOAT debate over which some people want to dismiss LeBron's losses to the Spurs in 2007 (wherein LeBron played poorly and lost two very close games in Cleveland) and 2014 (wherein the Heat were absolutely in the series until Kawhi outplayed LeBron the last three games of the series). They weren't THAT good.
Tony became an all star, but he was never a superstar. And Manu was a 6th man who could be clutch but perhaps would've been exposed on another team as the primary option. They're probably going to be hall of famers because they won 4 titles with Duncan, but some people (I think disingenuously) throw that term around too loosely when assessing how talented a team was; there are levels and not every hall of famer was a superstar caliber player (maybe they should've been to be allowed in, but that's NBA hall of fame standards for you).
And to address T-Mac's specific point on the playoffs, maybe the Spurs without Duncan could still make the playoffs in the weak east of those days, but not the west.
@@megavolt67 it's all about what narrative you want to create because the 07 spurs will be labeled too old by the jordan fans in order to diss lebron . see they really arent fans of the old school as much as they are jordan stans. check the hypocrisy though they get salty when you bring up the fact the pistons in 91 were on their last legs from the wars with boston and the lakers from the 80s . teams are only too old when bron faces them lol.They use the same logic against the 2000s Celtics
@@megavolt67 that’s what I said. I love Tmac but he’s tripping here. The west was stacked then. Orlando wouldn’t have made the playoffs out west.
@@ryanr20091 Like Lebron fans say the Heat were old in 2014 just an excuse because they got blown out by the spurs.
There's a reason I idolized TMac. It's because his humility and how genuine he is to people.
Tim and TMAC are actually 2 of all-time favorite players of any sport...real skills, team leaders, no hype, and remained the coolest to do it.
Difference is when Duncan was leader they won 5 rings when TMAC was leader they finished last in an extremely weak east
@@ACLA23 tmac didn't have the help he did have pop,David Robinson, kawhi,parker,green,Bowen even horry to help big difference
@@nature-kv3xe You included Bowen and not Ginobili. Kind of funny.
@@DrivenA111 I believe pretty much GInobili was the leader of that team, Tim was consistent but when the games were tough the one who never hesitated was Manu. And people who are not spurs fan wont ever believe it, but you have to watch the whole matches Ive seen Manu play and carry big time games, I believe thats why he is the winninges player In NBA History
@@sofarsogod You mustve didnt hear what Shaq said?
Yes T. Mac! Onr of my FAVORITE NBA players ever! I'm so proud of his growth. I love it. Maturity is a wonderful thing. Don't clown him for evolving. It's a beautiful thing ❤️
2003 was the wrong year to question Timmy. He carried the Spurs. We are talking a broken Robinson rookie Ginobli and a sophmore Parker. 03 was the weakest Spurs championship team and with out Tim the Spurs dont make the playoffs.
Without timmy....they are still beating jazz and suns who was the 8th and 7th seed......
@@kiwanjones7541 facts. They were a real team. They played real organized fundamental ball. Not this freakish athletic stuff of today where all you have to know how to do is be fast strong or can shoot from a distance. They had a system and if I could compare to a system outside of basketball it would be the new England Patriots.
Its hard to say 03 was the weakest because of how great Timmy was and they won 60 games that year. They also beat Shaq and Kobe. I would say 07 only because i felt like the Suns were the best team that year and i think the Spurs got lucky with the Steve Nash Robert Horry situation.
@@mikemajor9382 I get that but if you look at the squads 03 had less fire power. You had less established stars and it forced Timmy to do more. I do think the Suns probably win that series if the Horry situation doesnt play out but the fact that there was a better team than them doesnt make the squad weaker.
@@daadfasf9738 That’s a fair point but i will say this, Stephen Jackson played a big role on that 03 team. But you’re right about Manu and Tony. They were much better players in 07
I swear Shaq is one of the funniest persons alive. I die laughing all the time.
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Your bad
He's hilarious!😂
Tmac was unstoppable in his prime!! Him and Carter at Raptors ♥️♥️
His prime was in Orlando not Toronto
@@sharrieflentz1035 I never said his prime was in Toronto...
@@johnkaasheuvel2860 surely u can see how someone would read that and think that it was atleast implied.
Don't matter
Black mama even said that T-Mac physically was his match
@@rubenocasio9188 'Black mama'
People really act like former NBA players were allowed to pull out machetes when playing defense. Great players will eat in any era. Some players stats would change based on style of play and pace but the impact would mostly remain the same.
If we're talking the 07 Spurs when Tony was entering his prime.. yeah the Spurs would have been a playoff team without Timmy. But not in 03, Tony was too young, Manu was a rookie
Even during the 05 Spurs. Long haired Manu was killing the Pistons
@@AqwDragulum Manu should have been 05 FMVP. Even in 2004, Tony and Manu were two of the best guards in the league. It took that Derek Fisher 0.4 shot to beat them.
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Tony Parker’s prime was much later: 2011 to 2015. Probably top 5 in the world at that point. Besides Curry, I don’t think any point guard got close to that level (maybe CP3).
@@AqwDragulum Not on the road, Manu was terrible there and Duncan had to hold for 7 games.
That's why he had FMVP.
Manu was in his rookie year and Parker was in his sophomore year they definitely don’t make the playoffs without Tim, Tim turned that team into a 60 win championship team
Tmac is my favorite player of all time. Loved watching him play as a young kid. He single handedly helped me grow to love the game. I remember balling in the white/grey tmacs in middle school. He also had the first pair of shoes I had ever seen be 2 different colors. I think it was the all stars. I heard they are bringing his shoes back too. I gotta grab a pair for the collection..... I'm just here to give the man his flowers though. ALL respect my brother
One of my long time childhood ball buddies actually has a pair of his houston rocket addition all red adidas I love how they started selling those again and the Reebok Q's from Allen Iverson
Legit...
Me too bro I love tmac in Orlando magic
My favorite to
crying at Tracy's serious face when he's telling Shaq not to take his shoes off
That man traumatized
Tmac still has one of the most impressive jumps in stats in modern NBA times, when he arrived to Orlando from Toronto in his first season he went from 34 game starts to 77 with that his stats looked like:
Raptors:
15.4PPG/6.3RBD/3.3AST/1.9BLK/1.1STL on 45/27/70 shooting splits
ORL
26.8PPG/7.5RBD/4.6AST/1.5STL/1.5BLK on 45/35/73 shooting splits
People forget how well of a 2 way player Mac was in his younger days.. 2 blocks a game and steal is huge for a SG/SF.. he had his best defensive days in TOR/ORL with career highs in blocks and rebounds. Really wish TMAC got a ring it’s a shame
Had Yao not broke his foot they may have won 2-3 in a row, they were outplaying the Lakers
Kobe owned that bopty
i think he got one with the spurs
@@calebd.1463 get real bro
@@chrisburns143 Did watch that series they were about to go up 3-1 and he broke his foot. Shane Battier, T MAC and YAO, there were a few more players also.
21:14 such an excellent idea from someone who played in the AND1 era that had an impact globally. TMac you have to make this happen big time
I used to love watching the and1 mix tapes
I read some where (maybe Bleacher?) about how Steph learned how to tumble after his ankle injury and that has helped him quite a bit when he drives to the hoop. He intentionally falls/tumbles to cushion his landing avoiding injuries. However, you cant stop father time though.
Very interesting
Yeah and now everything player falls when they drive to the basket.....maybe curry is responsible for revolutionizing that too
I think derrick rose wouldve continued dominating if he learned that too. Everytime he lands it looked like his legs were about to break
@@siriusblack7714 its way better than landing on someones ankle and twisting yours in the process. Most of these injuries happen because the player is paying way too much attention to the ball in the air and not paying attention/prepping to land from their jump. D Wade was good at tumbling too.
I think most players now days fall for a bail out foul call from refs...
@@Peampiin 100% they do and I just find it annoying
1:52 Went over everyone's head.
Real talk TMAC
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Facts
Facts!💯 Everyone present all over 40 years old talking about being a gangster shouldn't even be in her vocabulary as grown folk🤦♂️🤷♂️.
@@Bo55edup yea it's alot of old folks especially black women acting like 8 year old out here. I've seen countless women in their 50s with the mindset of toddlers.
Tmac has been cloned 🤣🤣
T-mac sounds based, mature and humble. Glad he ain't listening to the peanut gallery. People act like you ain't black if you don't do immature things. Life ain't supposed to be about tats and rims.
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Reminds me of RDCWorld1’s videos about SoundCloud rappers
Thank you! Could've have said it better myself. Do you, T-Mac. Don't follow the herd that are only influenced my money like Shaq.
Its not. but at same time. having tats and rims does not make you less respectable which is sort of what TMac is saying between the lines. So both sides of the arguments are kind of ridiculous to be honest. He can do what he wants.
@@tarekt8427 he is not saying that at all, he’s just saying he isn’t the same guy he was when he was 18yrs old. He has matured and feels like he doesn’t need those things that his younger self thought needed or were the cool thing to do/have.
TMAC, Shaq, and AI was my favorite players of all time.. Tracy was different man. I will never forget he single handedly beat the spurs with like 40 seconds to go. He scored like 11-13 points.. best performance i ever saw.
That Zion Williamson joke at the end hit like a brick. Hilarious 😂
Tmac is awesome. love the tattoo discussion. He is old school. Miss watching him play ball.
Shaq is entertaining but is near incoherent at times. Example: he complains that nowadays it's about team success for the MVP yet brings up Russ and oh btw Jokic won last year on a non-elite team. Also he dismisses Steph in previous eras yet it's his favorite player.
i think the difference is that russ’ was an anomaly what he did was ridiculous but the jokic one was okay cause he was the 3rd seed. I cant help with the steph argument tho 😭
But Russ is the only player to win as low as he did. Also the Nuggets lost Jamal Murray they went to the wcf the year before
@@KingHavok01 but guys. I just looked at the list from 85-2014. 3rd seed was the lowest MVP winner in the whole span and most were 1st seed. It just shows that Shaq is all diesel emotion and swagger. That doesn't mean he's making any sense. He's a gem on the court and entertaining off but his analysis overall is a mess.
@@austingreen1274 i can tell you mustve been born in the 2000s
@@gangstagummybear3432 '94. And you?
I remember watching Shaq play. It was crazy. It looked unfair. He changed everything
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A generational talent. The big Shaqsquatch
TMAC was one of my favorite players ever.
MAJORR Factss💯
@@gabrielalele8603 also Vince Carter cousin …
Love these guys right here, true warriors of the game and always dropping gems for the younger generation 💯
I feel TMac. I feel just like this around my old friends.
Two Legends I love both of them!! I played ball on AAU teams and thru middle school high school grew up watching Shaq and TMac Dunkin on homies 🔥🔥🔥🔥#Legend🏀♥️♥️♥️ 🏆
All these comments saying Shaq disrespected Manu and Tony… We are talking about 2003. The spurs were in a transition and both of them were rookies, none of them are all star level yet. And the admiral was no where near his prime and in fact retired right after. Check their stats and watch the games first. All Spurs did was throwing the ball down in the post to TD and all their plays started from there. Evaluating single playoff run with their whole career is ridiculous.
I would argue Manu might be the finals mvp for 05, but 03 Spurs won it all with just 1 star player that’s a fact. It’s so rare that it didn’t happen again until 2011 (with Dirk and his Mavs).
I love T Mac to death, he was the reason I started watching NBA and I believe he never reached his prime due to injuries, but ever since he retired he be putting out ridiculous comments to stay relevant😂
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@@Pendells_cards you're the clown here pal
@@Pendells_cards lol why are you so hurt?
@TheRealBandito I agree.
I agree Duncan was a deserving MVP but I don't think it's a ridiculous argument to say T-Mac was the best player in the NBA that season and deserving of at least serious MVP consideration. Yes Duncan Spurs were not a great team around him, but they were studs compared to the T-Macs supporting cast. That's not to say that I don't think Duncan was the best all around player that year, but T-Mac put up 32 points in one of the lowest scoring eras in NBA history. Adjusted for pace it would have been around a 36 point in today's NBA (probably more if you also adjust his 3pt volume) and he led a team with the second best player being Drew Gooden and a 35 year old Darrell Armstrong to the playoffs and almost to the second round. You take T-Mac from that team and it's a safe bet they finish dead last in the east. You take Duncan out of that Spurs team and you potentially still have an eigth seed with Pop coaching that team, of course with Duncan they were a #1 seed and eventual champions so, again, not saying he wasn't deserving, just pointing out that it is debatable.
When T Mac played for Orlando he pulled his Bentley parked in front of the club. Walked in with shorts & white tee, bought out the bar, VIP stayed for all 30 minutes left like a boss. That boy was off the hook in the O town.💯
I believe Tracy McGrady is great enough to be in the Top 75
Sheeeh top 20
@@darrallshamarwilliams7560 don’t go too crazy now 😅
@@MOCskoden if Kobe is top 20 so should McGrady. He was his toughest opponent. Same as Bill Russell and Wilt Chamberlain. Rings arent everything.
@@darrallshamarwilliams7560 with all due respect, T-Mac does not have a convo to be Top 20, so many players are more deserving than T-Mac
not even guy never even past the 1st round
Tim Duncan clearly made Tony Parker and Manu Ginobli. Tracy is just emotional
The first part of this interview hearing TMac talk about his growth sounds like a man who found God for real. Good for him, love to hear it! And home girl was low key shootin her shot lol
I thought he was just me. He straight kept it professional though. So much respect for this man!!!
Lol from Steph Curry range
@@DrSwyts For sure!
@@venomous418 Lol
He didn’t even budge, when she did that. She barking up the wrong tree.
As a lifelong Spurs fan, I have to lay down some facts really quick when T-Mac is talking about 2003. Tony Parker averaged 15 and 5 but he was in his second season and wasn't an All-Star until 2006. Ginobili was in his first year and was averaging 8 ppg coming off the bench. The other starters that year? Bruce Bowen, Stephen Jackson and 37 year old David Robinson (Malik Rose was the sixth man). So when he says "the Spurs would have been a playoff team without Duncan because they had Parker and Ginobili", he's wrong. They probably wouldn't have even had a winning record and might have been a lottery team. In fact, the big MVP case for Duncan at the time was how he was managing to single-handedly carry this team of role players to 60 wins. The icing on the cake was in the playoffs when he outplayed Shaq 1v1 in the WCF when the Lakers were going for a 4-peat and then almost getting a quadruple double to clinch the chip. Sorry Tracy, you were awesome that year, but TD rightfully deserved MVP.
Facts
Yessir ND in my opinion Duncan was the best player on all 5 of his champion's teams
@@iaminhuman9357 I think either TP or Kawhi were probably the best in 2014 but that was definitely a *team* win and they wouldn't have done it without Tim
David Robinson had already retired after the 2st championship.
Lol Shaq, shut up ... U know about change, shut up
That Zion Williamson line at the end 🤣🤣🤣
😂😂😂😂😂
Man I was dying 😭
Kobe and Tmac were equals for about 5 years. What took Kobe over the top was his relentless defense. The mamba was a beast on both ends, this is the facts 🐍♾️
Why is this not on prime time Television? That show is amazing. I love the authenticity, and simplicity of the show!
Cause the Women admits she in China’s pocket and just tries to overtake someone by stating something nobody cares about?
Tracy needs a tv show. Dude is funny af lol
Jeff Hornacek was on the Jazz team that swept the 1998 Lakers in WCF that had Shaq, young Kobe, Eddie Jones and Nick the Quick (4 All stars).
That Utah Jazz team shows that athleticism and raw talent doesnt win but IQ and team play. They played together for so many years and assembled good group of supporting teammates with good coach. If it wasnt for Jordan they would have 2 championships.
@@outlander234 you mean if it wasn't for Rodman.
@@patrickgrady7505 Rodman didn’t get his usual rebounds against the Mailman.
Rodman played terrible against Malone, especially in '97. They mostly were putting Toni Kukoc, Brian Williams and Luc Longley on Malone. '98 went a little better for Rodman. But he wasn't remotely like he was in '96 against Kemp.
T-Mac will always me one of my all time favorites
Fun Fact... Tmac has grown up, Shaq has not 😂
Shaq still I’m to toys cause he still a kid in his head but tmac is enjoying the simple things in life
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I don’t want Shaq to grow up.
Shaq is always kidding! But I'm always reading headlines were he has done the most generous things for families!
@@biggeee318 facts !!! Man pays for peoples groceries in the store all the time. Does so much charity work as well.
5:35 talks about his Rookie year coach.
7:30 Shaq talks about instigating match ups and not helping on Defense.
9:15 talks about his welcome to the league moment when GP schooled him.
10:40 Talks Steve Smith teaching him.
11:30 can today’s guys play with them back in the day.
14:20 Joel Embiid.
15:00 top 75 list.
16:20 speak on HOFer.
16:50 MVP race in today’s NBA.
17:50 talks 2003 MVP and himself not winning.
19:00 Tim Duncan’s influence on TParker and Manu.
20:16 DeMar for MVP.
21:12 TMAC 1V1 league.
24:08 Shaq tries to take his shoe off.
25:00 Zion might have to get his body done.
thanks but why copy someone else’s hard work
How scary it would’ve been if Penny, Shaq & Tmac played in Orlando together💯🔥🙅🏾♂️
Prime Grant Hill at the 3 And Prime Dwight at the 4
Or if Grant Hill was healthy.
Shaq , Hill, Hardaway, T-Mac unstoppable.
T-Mac's face at 24:45 after Shaq started talking 🤣🤣🤣
😭😭😭😭😭
Zion getting a BBL is crazy 😂😂😂
Shaq- No one dominated the game like George Mikan. Facts. Stats. "Changed the way the game was played."
minute?
I agree Tim Duncan was so underrated, he should have been in the top 8 of the 75 list. Tim Duncan made Tony Parker and Manu better players. TMac I would have put him on the 75 list ahead of Lillard (Bernard King due to stats should be on the 75 list also)
I love tmac but lillard has had the better career
I think one thing TMAC forgot was in 2003, Manu Parker weren't NEARLY at their peaks and David Robinson was half dead
That Zion body done got me rolling 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Ahh no. The right player won the MVP in 2003. We have no idea what the Spurs would have been without Tim Duncan that season. Not only did he carry the offensive load, he was a defensive force as well. Tim Duncan in 2003 had the 3rd greatest playoff run by any player as ranked by ESPN. And they had rookie Manu Ginobili, a sophomore Tony Parker and a David Robinson who was going to retire. Not only that, they also beat the Lakers with Kobe Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal in the second round.
You didn't have to bring up that they beat Shaq and Kobe in second round.MVP is a regular season award
@@melekelewis2945 I am just saying how good that version of Tim Duncan was
@@melekelewis2945 actually he had to, point is relevant to the discussion
@@Azrayl yes it is.
@joceja23 manu in 02/03 season was playing 20 minutes, made 8 ppg and barely 2 rbds. It's good for a rookie but it certainly wasnt his prime. In his prime, still 6th man, he made twice those stats in 30 minutes.
At 2003, Tony and Manu weren't "there" yet. TD deserved MVP in 2003.
No he had more help tmac was his entire team
@@Kellshabazz6339 t-mac did not made his teammates better unlike TD.
women attracted to tats speaks lowkey volumes about their integrity
i grew up a tmac fan. he was MY GUY!! the arguments i used to have at the lunch room table about how good this dude was..But at no point did i think he deserved any mvp.
“Could they have played with us” could go both ways. More guys from this era could play back then than players from back then being able to play today. Giannis would still be a star back then. Shaq sounds like the typical old head but he has a lot of good points on things and it’s refreshing to hear a straight talker who isn’t being politically correct. This should be the whole team for this podcast I’d tune in all the time😂
I agree with Giannis being a star but he’s not dominating in that era. He’d have to go up against Tim Duncan, Pat Ewing, David Robinson, maybe even Rodman, Olajuwon, Shaq, etc… he’s not going to be the Giannis we see today.
@@d.supreme8592 Stop Ewing has the most disrespectful dunk on him by Scottie Pippen. If Pippen can do that to Ewing imagine what Giannis would do to him. Isiah Thomas said the same things "He's dogging all of you!"
@@d.supreme8592 You're forgetting besides Hakeem and Rodman, most of the guys you mentioned aren't picking Giannis up at full court, there are ways to isolate players, they won't even pick him up at half court or the perimeter, just look at who guards him when he's on the floor today, all of them will be slow on rotations and get into foul trouble like the bigs today if they think they're going to guard him and if they pick him up at half court he's too quick.
Shaq was quick for a big man, Giannis is quick period. No one is going to stop Giannis from getting his in those eras, especially the pick and roll era, he'd have a field day with mismatches, players are far more athletic today and still struggle to stop him, people forget you're talking about maybe 4-5 teams with really great bigs out of 30 teams meaning he could definitely dominate. He isn't playing the guys you mentioned for 82 games and they're just not capable of containing him, I watched them all. If you said someone like Pippen fair enough but even then, how many Pippens were in the league and Pippen would only disrupt him for on very few plays
@@mumble97 getting dunked on is what happens when you’re constantly meeting world-level athletes at the rim. Not really sure why you think 1 fast break play where Ewing was backpedaling is how every play with Giannis would go
@@mumble97 one dunk? Man cut the bs lol
People don’t understand how good you have to be in order to get drafted #9 overall as a highschooler
Anyone who watched the NBA in the early 2000's were blessed. We had AI, Kobe, T-Mac, Steve Francis, Stephon Marbury, Vince Carter, Shaq, Duncan, Jason Williams, etc. They were real hoopers.
I was just thinking that the early 2000 NBA really changed basketball around the world
90s and 00s was the best in my opinion
Real facts👏🏻they say the 80s was golden age of basketball but for me it’s the early 2000s
@@camlovesjesus8872 2000's was the pinnacle of flashy and beautiful looking. You cant look better than the 2000's. Was better than a japanese manga
That part where they start talking bout Zion getting his body done 😂😂😂😂
I Don t think Parker would of been successfull on any other team without pop but manu was capable of going to different teams and starting be an all star. Tony carried the team as a scorer when Tim got to old but Tim was still a top 8 big even after his 20 PPG and 10+ RPG era
Y’all be tripping with these comments Tony Parker was one of the best point guards ever and he was pretty much unstoppable when he wanted to score. Not sure how old you are but no way you watched Games for you to say that
Seriously Tony Parker had a wicked first step in his prime with good handles. Tony would do most of his damage from mid range or he would drive and dish.
Parker was in his 2nd year and Ginobli was in his 1st year in 03! Stop it Tracy!
Listening to this makes me miss Kobe. Man, it would have been fun to watch them team up. That would have been Showtime 2.0. It also made me think of all the great players whose career narrative would have been if they hadn't been injured: imagine where they would be on the GOAT list if T-Mac, Grant Hill and Kobe had been able to avoid the major injuries.
kobe didn't get injured until the end of his career. He was already a made man by that point. Not sure why you indluded Kobe on that list.
@@akwwalker8782 facts he prob a lil kid
@@akwwalker8782 Still... Kobe getting injured is pretty much like MJ getting injured for a whole generation .. so yeah . Lol
T Mac was AI, VC , Barkley, (prime) Westbrook, (prime) Harden, Malone, Stockton, CP3 , level .
@@buddyboy4438 your comment is 2 months old but had to tell u to never compare TMac and Wrstbrook again please 🙏 😄
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Yes please don’t compare Westbrook & McGrady
One is a MVP with 9 All Star appearances and 9 All NBA selections
Going by T-mac's argument, particularly in 03, if Timmy was taken out of that team they're not going to make it to the playoffs. The was composed of an aging Robinson (final year), 2nd year Tony Parker, rookie Ginobili. Parker, who was their 2nd leading scorer averaged only 15.5 ppg, followed by Stephen Jackson 11.8 and Malik Rose with 10.8 per game. Timmy was averaging 23.3 points, 12.9 rebounds and 2.9 blocks. Robinson was helping but only 8 points, 7 rebounds and a block per game.
The #9 seed Suns is an above 500 team. If Timmy was taken out, they won't make it.
Dead on, TD was carrying his 2003 Spurs iteration, dominating in the unbelievable West and also was the one that slain the Shaq-Kobe Lakers at their maximum height, their three-peat form.
There's ignorance or underappreciating on Duncan so it's not known, and TMac was great, but going at Duncan's MVP is crazy.
Spot on, thank you very much for pointing this out. T Mac was obviously a fan favorite (for good reason) and a lot of people claim because he got the scoring title in 03, that he should have gotten the MVP. People forget that Robinson was diminished heavily over his last 3 years and Tony and Manu took a few years before they became stars.
Can someone - anyone - explain to me why Damian Lillard was selected as part of the NBA 75th Anniversary team over Tracy McGrady, a Hall of Famer?
RIP to you Marv
Boggled my noggin too. 🤷🏾♂️
Even Vince Carter should have been selected over Dame.
How can you say Giannis wouldn't be as great. "His game is predicated on coming downhill"
TMAC LITERALLY PLAYED WITH GRANT HILL. Grant hills game, was going down hill. I'm a big grant hill fan, so Giannis could do that exactly. He'd be fine.
Truth
But grant hill had moves tho
Grant hill could break you down with his handle, Giannis uses his physicality to get past you
I don't agree with them, but then to T-Macs point; yes Giannis could play but how long would he be that effective. After a while the injuries started adding up on G-Hill. Who knows, if Giannis was in that era, sure he'd still have success and become one of the 75 greatest players we've ever seen. Though how long would it last?
Grant Hill was the man. I remember having his jersey and kicks. Those Fila's Was so clean.
I'm also a fan of Giannis too. I'd like to think he could have been good but not like he is today. Like Tmac said the lane was a lot more congested back then. So many great big men of that Era.
The Zion joke at the end had me dyinggggg 😭