Yeah that’s what the world needs, people who are different or have differences sitting down and having a conversation and either learning and gaining perspective and understanding or agreeing to disagree instead of having wars killing each other in the name of country or religion.
JJ bias is so slanted I truly think most of his takes gotta be planted .....I cud smoke him in a debate on most topics especially the goat ...his bird take 😂this guys a clutch sports 🤡
1:06:05 JJ with the check "Devin George shot 34% for his career from three. There's levels to this Shaq" (FYI - JJ shot 41.5% from 3 for his career - top 17 all time)
🔥Peace y’all! I’m a life long Sixer’s fan from the Irving, Toney, Cheeks, Jones, Dawkins, Malone , etc.,days, (even a Reddic fan)YET… I.I. does come off as arrogant at times in his commentary but his perspective is flucking amazing! Never heard anybody factor in the addition of teams , which if y’all remember, we’re trash back then.Big up to y’all podcast!✊🏽✌🏽
@elmehdinafia1237 here we go! Smh Bro , it does not matter what you think, say or feel......bron is top 3 😁 that's just a fact!..it's not an opinion or how I feel ....... thats what it is.! I'm sorry bro , that's just reality. 🤷🏽♂️👑🐐
I hate to have to be the one to break it to you. Your criteria isn’t everyone else’s reality. So he’s a klutch agent in your fantasy mind but remember not everyone else’s reality. Sorry bud
Tim duncan shut him down on 03. He literally averaged 45% FG and 24ppg againts the spurs at that time, now when he faced rik smits and todd mccollough he dominated.
@@jasonhoppe781 Wait you think Shaq wasn't a good defender and joker would dominate him.. lol what rule set bud? You can always spot the kids talking about stuff they never watched... Watch 90s Shaq and watch his feet work and how fast he was...
Bruh watch Lakers Shaq and how dominant he was 😂 People just talk out their ahh. Shaq would throw your ish into the 2nd row. Anybody saying Joker would just destroy Shaq is a dunce lol.@wattwatkins3574
I love that Shaq said he didn’t work out in the summer so he could spend time with his kids. Because we’ve heard athletes talk about their in season routine and how they have to essentially be robots in order to be consistent. Well in the offseason I can see some athletes saying hey I wanna wake up a noon and just do nothing or take my kids to the amusement park everyday. I felt that
The problem when it comes to MJ (he is the goat, at the moment, folks can always be surpassed) is that he is always referred to as this mythical god type of being. MJ was far and ahead of everyone else in the league, while now, we have more talent than ever and you have to be substantially better to rise to the top. Mike, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Steph, Larry, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem, TD, Russell, Wilt, Dr. J - ALL of these guys are greats in any area and any circumstance. Where you rank them is up to you, but we cannot forget that it is all subjective, no matter how much you yell and scream….it’s subjective, until you pull out the “goat rubrics”.
Well said. When people say "this is the greatest apple pie I've ever eaten", nobody bothers arguing about it by bringing out sugar content stats. That's why it's currently MJ for me. To this day nobody has ever given me the emotional charge I got when when watching MJ live.
Brother he can be surpassed 100% its just not lebron though. Handpicking other superstars to to tip the league in your favor but still losing 6/10 times you are heavily favored isnt great. It just isnt. If youre saying the “body of work” going through the grind of losing and eventually beating the competition, it is something Mj did and not lebron. If ever, losing to the mavs spurs and warriors in those superteam runs, made these other teams great for beating the superteam thats supposed to win not 7.8.9.10 lol
It’s actually not subjective when you looks at MJ’s career. When you can lead the league in scoring in the regular season and the playoffs, while being a first team defender and you are the regular season mvp and finals mvp and you won the chip and you are the only man in the history of the league to do this and you did it 4x’s and the last time was at the age of 35. What is subjective about that?
The Win Average of the bottom 5 teams in the league during Jordan's Era was 22 wins. The Win Average of the bottom 5 teams in the league during Lebron's Era was 22 wins. Redick provided ZERO statistics or data to back up his ridiculous claim, no evidence whatsoever. Six teams were added over a period of TWO DECADES (4 in the 80's and 2 in the 90's). One of those 6 teams was the Orlando Magic, added in 1989. The Magic became an incredibly strong and competitive team within only a few years of their addition to the league, drafting Shaq in 1992 and acquiring Penny Hardaway one year later! This 'expansion team' knocked the Bulls out of the Playoffs in 1995! The Miami Heat was another one of these 6 expansion teams, added in 1988. They acquired Glen Rice in 1989 and though they initially endured a few seasons of mediocrity, Pat Riley's arrival as the new head coach in 1995 ushered in the Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning era. Riley drastically transformed the new-look Miami Heat into a defensive-minded juggernaut and they quickly became championship contenders. They progressed all the way to the Eastern Conference finals in 1996-97 where they were defeated by the Bulls. The Heat would go on to become the #2 seed in the East in the 1997-98 season but eventually lost to the Knicks in the Playoffs. The players that joined these 6 expansion teams weren't picked off the streets, these were professional NBA players already drafted to other existing NBA teams. In an NBA expansion draft, the new NBA teams were allowed to acquire players from previously established teams in the league. Not all players on a given team were available during an expansion draft though, each existing team was allowed to protect a certain number of their players from being selected, thus giving them the power to retain their 'Star' players. In the 80's expansion, the existing teams were each permitted to protect eight players from their roster. Additionally, the new 'expansion' teams would have access to high draft picks during the next draft pick depending on their win %! Where is the evidence of the league being 'watered down'?! Since his latest attack on MJ and the 80's/90's era, a lot of people are posing this question to JJ, including Udonis Haslem live on ESPN... What about the G League and it's significant impact on the current NBA roster? Over 50% of current NBA players have G League experience and a significant number of current players are signed to two-way contracts. Does that mean that the current NBA is 'watered down'? I would be very interested to hear Redick's response to that question. Any objective and rational person can identify a pattern here... Lebron suffers defeat and like clockwork, along comes a Klutch Sports 'Plant' pushing the next ridiculous MJ narrative, void of any substance..."But...but...but...Jordan played in a watered down league." Klutch are running out of Jordan narratives, each one crumbling quicker than the last. They are becoming so desperate, they are having to recycle old narratives! Remember when JJ stated on live TV a few years back that MJ was being guarded by 'plumbers and firemen'? The only card they have left is to continue trying to diminish Jordan's competition. That's it! That's all they have, now that the Longevity card has failed. It's truly disturbing, that Klutch Sports will stop at nothing in their absurd attempts to elevate James to Jordan's level, even if that means having to diminish an entire era of basketball. Say what you want about MJ but he NEVER used Nike or the Air Jordan brand to tear down another player or to discredit another Era. He respected the legends that came before him and allowed his Resume and his game on the court to cement his legacy.
The Hornets, Heat and Magic joined the league in '88/'89. In '92 the Heat made the playoffs. In '93 the Hornets made the playoffs and won their first round series. In '94 the Magic made the post season and a year later they'd get to the Finals. It didn't really take long for some expansion teams to compete... because during "Jordan's tenure" we also saw some of the strongest draft classes ever. 6 of the 10 greatest draft classes ever (according to BR) were during Jordan's career.
Yeah, sadly most Lebron supporters like JJ are so desperate to bring MJ down that at this point they are resorting to just throwing out illogical talking points. Attempting to build up one person by trying to lower another is always transparent and sad.
No matter what it lead to players being drafted each year that wouldn’t have been drafted &’players sticking around that no longer would’ve had it not happened, that means watered down.
I definitely remember Shaq shooting 3s in the all star game and I also know when JJ is asking a question he already knows the answer to 😂 especially when he goes “huhmp”
i think shaq expresses the difference between the 90s ball and todays ball very well. "if they couldn't play with us, then..." they're not all that ppl are saying they are. rick barry said it well too. he was talking about how the nba admin has basically told the refs not to call obvious violations of basic dribbling and traveling rules, and that THAT is what's very much allowed modern nba players to keep hiking up points on offense. and take what shaq says about physicality and what barry says about ignoring rules and i think modern nba players wouldn't be doing as well as they are.
@@cyborggamer105 i dont have the time stamp but it was when he said what i quoted, "if they can't play with us." meaning that if the guys now couldn't do well against the guys in shaqs time, in shaqs time, then that tells you their scores today are inflated, because they wouldn't be able to do what they're doing now, if they were playing against the gusy in shaqs time. but rick barry put it more bluntly. they score better today because they can travel, palm the ball, and can't be touched at all without getting foul shots. think about that. if you took away the step back how many fewer points do you think players would be getting? if you took away palming, how many fewer points would players be getting? in shaqs and mjs day you couldn't really palm or step back and defense could definitely get rough. so it offense was harder. so scorers were less.
@@Grumpy-Pants Had that dawg in him, what does that even mean exactly? LBJ is the better the scorer, rebounder, passer, defender and player. You Kobe fans are delusional, Kobe isn’t on LBJ’s level.
Any chance we can get uncensored versions of this? The bleeping of the curse words really kills the flow of the conversation sometimes. Love the content.
A conversation with Shaq is always going to be a discourse because he is that one legend who never cared for plays or team dynamics - he jus went there and dominated everybody. He always had one formula 😁
Shaq, those older than 50 know exactly what you’re trying to get across regarding physicality because we saw it. You continue to impress us as you decided to change the subject rather than trying to get JJ to understand. One of the many reasons you are so successful…..and well loved.
@@muhfkajonesI’m not 30, but if u just look at some photos of how the pistons were defending Jordan, it’s not hard to understand… LeBron would be crying every possession if he played back then… I think even JJ understands, he’s just trying to get on the good side of lebron 😂…
But the flagrant fouls now are still fouls back then though. Teams back then got more free throw attempts because people were more physical. If anything, free throw merchants like Embiid, Lebron, Luka, SGA, and others would love it because they don't have to flop to get the call
We can't even beat players overseas anymore... Why because of rule set... NBA has the worst rim protection I have ever seen, and I have been watching since the 80s. We get it guys you want today's NBA to be the best basketball ever played... Hate to even say this because it shouldn't be like this but with today's rules set, we are watching cupcake basketball and we lack rebounding, rim protection, post play on both sides of the ball.. Today's league we have guys falling to the floor crying over the smallest fouls not being called... No physicality and I am not talking about hard fouls just a hand check and no defensive three seconds that way we don't give up free lanes to the hoop and players have to earn getting to the hoop. Instead, we add rules to clear out the lane and get rid of the big men. What a time to be a drive and kick player
Yeah JJ the league expanded during MJ rookie year but like you said he was a rookie. Plus that same thing you could say about today when the league took veterans off teams and put younger guys who never play or see the light of day. Watered down too.
Not even close to the same. The world of basketball has expanded and grown across the entire globe. You watched black and white tv. The coming era will be better than the current.
Because thats the only time their reasoning would somehow make sense to them. They have to water down MJ’s career but at the same time overhype and make excuses for all of lebrons losses to make it make sense. Now bronsexuals hold this L yet again. Bring out all the excuses now why his lakers team is trashed by a hobbled 0 all star murray. Eat that L!!!!
I don't know where this narrative of great basketball mind comes from. I'm sure he knows his X and O's like other players. I don't think he is on Rajon Rondo level basketball mind.
JJ is so good with strong personalities like Shaq. It must be because he doesn't back down from what he believes, but at the same time you see the respect he has for the other guy. Not faking anything.
Yeah that must be it. I guess most of them role players go happily silent, but then theres guys like JJ and Pat Bev who dont want to. And you can be loud in many ways. I like JJs approach the most.
JJ is a Lebron glazer. His NBA career amounted to nothing that is why he is insecure and try to make up it by belonging to the media and manipulating it to his favor by claiming his generation is better to justify that he did not do anything in his career because it was “harder” to play in this generation and tries to discredit and belittle the generations before him. Lebron might have the greatest playing career of all time but he is not the GOAT. Jordan is.
Only way he can be relevant. He wasn't really relevant in the NBA. A glorified spot up shooter that was supposed to be more based on how he was in college. Him and Lebron made a podcast saying they didn't want to get into a GOAT debate or things like that. And Here JJ is. Also JJ is the MAIN GUY in the media that called past players plumbers
Can't stand Shaqs basketball stupidity. Within minutes you can see it with the physicality conversation. Glad JJ says it as it is, unbiased with most of his takes.
Bobcats? They were after MJ retired. But Shaq was drafted by one of those expansion teams. And the Magic, Heat, Hornets were stacked and all were playoffs threats in the 90s.
This podcast is hilarious. Shaq is the most uninformed former Legend....and JJ is the most informed basketball nerd. I'm sure JJ knew this going in, but if Shaq doesn't understand the basic difference between playing physical vs. flagrant fouls/ hard fouls...and he had to explain this, tells you all you need to know.
I thought the same thing. JJ is talking about how physical is the game ALLOWED to be played. Shaq seems to think getting into a fight once every 20 games is what makes it physical and then acts like no one in the current NBA could make it back then.
Y’know. Some of the greatest basketball players ever have very shitty takes. Like, it’s concerning. It can’t be their age? They’re not losing their sanity just yet. Shaq legitimately didn’t understand the difference between a flagrant foul and gameplay.
Shaq actually said to a mfkn reporter, BEFORE HE EVER WON A DAMN THING IN THE LEAGUE, that he’d, and I QUOTE, “won at every level except college and the NBA”. Shaq has always been this way
@@poorchris maybe he would, I’m not saying Shaq wasn’t great in his prime. I’m just saying that he doesn’t like giving newer players credit, especially centers. He’s always worried about how it will affect his own legacy.
@@Bearghostermore skilled is just a thought but most the skills you see today been the same for almost 50 years now, players today just have a green light to shoot more and still go 0/12 also your allowed to travel,carry, and palm the ball. So skill is really a false statement. Some teams would struggle if they played teams 20 years ago due to not playing fundamental basketball
@@drechillin2154 you’re not talking sense. The game has evolved. People weren’t taking 3s at volume 20 years ago. Now most players must be able to hit 3s to even play. That is a skill. Bigs didn’t have to do anything but score inside and play D, barely had to dribble. Shaq was remarkable cause he had moves and was massive. He could never shoot though. Very very few bigs could. Now we have many bigs who can dribble and shoot like guards. Defense has evolved too, beating people up on the court is not skill. Trapping, double teaming, navigating screens- these are skills.
Here’s what is the truth. For lebron to be goat, MJ’s achievements have to watered down, make excuses on why he won so much during his career despite all finals games are close, elimination games are close that he won. For lebron to be goat, you have to make excuses for why he lost so much despite handpicking players and building superteams!!! That there says it all. PERIOD.
MJ failed to reach the finals more than he did, Lebron not the same thing. So why do you define reaching the finals and losing as being “worse” than getting bounced in the second round
He's a hypocrite and a propagandist and a pseudointellectual. "I was up all night desperately searching for some obscure statistic that I can use to build my biased opinion around." He does what everyone else in media does now, try to put a positive spin on this league while ignoring its many shortcomings and ballwashing Lebron and whatever other superstar of the moment the league decided to prop up for revenue's sake.
JJ Redrick criticizing Michael Jordan 😂😂😂 and this era actually takes that as credible. Dude couldn’t guard me one on one let alone hold a candle to JORDAN
never thought jj and shaq would have chemistry on a podcast 😂 we need more of both together
JJ and Lebron podcast is amazinf
they’re both very charismatic , i’m not surprised
Where is JJ there is Chemistry
JJ has chemistry with everyone on who talks basketball, except Kendrick Perkins of course.
Or SAS
@@rizwaanlaher6960 SAS hates foreigners, white people, and Max Kellerman
Facts Kendrick pissed him off
Jj is a very logical conversationalist. Kendrick Perkins is damn near, strictly an emotionally speaker.
Of course
You can visually see the difference between how JJ thinks vs how Shaq thinks through their conversations😂
Yeah, JJ thinks more.
Yeah that’s what the world needs, people who are different or have differences sitting down and having a conversation and either learning and gaining perspective and understanding or agreeing to disagree instead of having wars killing each other in the name of country or religion.
JJ tryin to complicate everything
@@enzofrancescoli1260 or he’s to intelligent for casuals
@@gailgail-db4ko Intelligent people can pass their argument in a very concise way. He has to develop a storyline with argumentative pauses. Arrogance.
I remember listening to JJ when he was doing a part time podcast while he was still on the 76ers. The growth is insane.
JJ bias is so slanted I truly think most of his takes gotta be planted .....I cud smoke him in a debate on most topics especially the goat ...his bird take 😂this guys a clutch sports 🤡
@@johnjohnson8364unless you ever laced up yourself with nba players, you smoking crack
@@johnjohnson8364I appreciate your delusion but he would cook you
@@johnjohnson8364 the real difference is nobody cares about listening to you in a debate.
Is a duche. It's very sad the type of "journalism" we have nowadays. And people listen and repeat. Crazy world.
Haha when Shaq was asking if Dwight was dominant the video cut to an ad lmao 🤣 one I couldn’t even skip either 😂
1:06:05 JJ with the check "Devin George shot 34% for his career from three. There's levels to this Shaq" (FYI - JJ shot 41.5% from 3 for his career - top 17 all time)
Now we know why Shaq saved up his 💩 & urine in a bucket for like a week, and then dumped it on Devean George 😂 Thanks GP for that story! 😅
Shaq calling Devean George a shooter made me laugh so hard
@@unnesDevan hit shots when we needed him tho 😂
Early 2000s when there wasn’t an emphasis on 3pt shooting. That’s pretty good
@@muhfkajonesthey’re not factoring in the era
Shaq saying he’s the black Steph Curry 😂☠️
17:12 that burp shaq let out on the fly is CRAZY!
I just got tho that part 😂😂
one of the craziest things ive ever seen in my life man... like wtf
I was like did he just burped lmao that joint was strong
Bro that shit had me dead😂😂 if that was fake it was easily the best fake burp of all time
Great episode right off the bat! There was no wasted time in getting in the subject. You two have amazing chemistry together.
JJ on 2 podcast in a week, yep he got hired as the Hornets coach lol. Congrats JJ!!
🔥Peace y’all! I’m a life long Sixer’s fan from the Irving, Toney, Cheeks, Jones, Dawkins, Malone , etc.,days, (even a Reddic fan)YET… I.I. does come off as arrogant at times in his commentary but his perspective is flucking amazing! Never heard anybody factor in the addition of teams , which if y’all remember, we’re trash back then.Big up to y’all podcast!✊🏽✌🏽
You for to mention Buddha Monk sideburns Shaq’!😭😂🤣🤣🤣
Or lakers he def trynna get it in before he goes lol
Yes 👏
Where did this JJ becoming an NBA Coach talk come from?
JJ is incredible. As a long time Duke hater, nothing but respect for the man and pro he has become. 💪💪💪
Is there an uncensored version? All this cutting out is killin this great episode
I love how Shaq always gives Rik Smits credit.
He was smoking Shaq in that pacer series!
those 15 footers.. Rik has down pat
@@jasonhoppe781 he sure was, very underrated by the public but not the players who always know who can play.
@@wattwatkins3574 with the goose neck
yes, and some new NBA fans were shitting on him because of his looks.
JJ on The Pivot Podcast earlier today & now this. nice little double dose of JJ no diddy
“Double dose of JJ” is wild
No diddy is crazy
Shaq calling out Stephen A is awesome
what time?
JJ is a klutch agent now 💯
Why does everyone who got bron as the goat is a "klutch agent" ? Man it's mandatory bron is top 3(in any order) *AT* *LEAST* !!! it should be law.
@@TheReal-trublu357 because If you're objective and not bought there's no way in hell you'd label LeBalco as the 🐐 or try to make a case for him.
@elmehdinafia1237 here we go! Smh
Bro , it does not matter what you think, say or feel......bron is top 3 😁 that's just a fact!..it's not an opinion or how I feel ....... thats what it is.! I'm sorry bro , that's just reality. 🤷🏽♂️👑🐐
I hate to have to be the one to break it to you. Your criteria isn’t everyone else’s reality. So he’s a klutch agent in your fantasy mind but remember not everyone else’s reality. Sorry bud
@@elmehdinafia1237you don’t sound very objective yourself so I’d suggest you stay away from these conversations
Richard Jefferson said it best. No one was stopping Shaq. NO ONE!! Even the goal was terrified🫣
Tim duncan shut him down on 03. He literally averaged 45% FG and 24ppg againts the spurs at that time, now when he faced rik smits and todd mccollough he dominated.
Shaq was never a good defender. Jokic on offense would embarrass him. On the other side it would be nuts to the face!
@@jasonhoppe781 U lucky I love Jokic. We will never know!!
@@jasonhoppe781 Wait you think Shaq wasn't a good defender and joker would dominate him.. lol what rule set bud? You can always spot the kids talking about stuff they never watched... Watch 90s Shaq and watch his feet work and how fast he was...
Bruh watch Lakers Shaq and how dominant he was 😂 People just talk out their ahh. Shaq would throw your ish into the 2nd row. Anybody saying Joker would just destroy Shaq is a dunce lol.@wattwatkins3574
Seeing Shaq and JJ on a podcast is nuts bro ... There is a lot of basketball in these two. Thanks for sharing this content with us.
Intros GOATED 😂
I love that Shaq said he didn’t work out in the summer so he could spend time with his kids. Because we’ve heard athletes talk about their in season routine and how they have to essentially be robots in order to be consistent. Well in the offseason I can see some athletes saying hey I wanna wake up a noon and just do nothing or take my kids to the amusement park everyday. I felt that
I love that Shaq is still repping The General; something very human about that
That check
Loyalty
This podcast is one the most soulless cash-grabs I've ever seen. Redick doing his best here
The problem when it comes to MJ (he is the goat, at the moment, folks can always be surpassed) is that he is always referred to as this mythical god type of being. MJ was far and ahead of everyone else in the league, while now, we have more talent than ever and you have to be substantially better to rise to the top.
Mike, LeBron, Kobe, Shaq, Steph, Larry, Magic, Kareem, Hakeem, TD, Russell, Wilt, Dr. J - ALL of these guys are greats in any area and any circumstance. Where you rank them is up to you, but we cannot forget that it is all subjective, no matter how much you yell and scream….it’s subjective, until you pull out the “goat rubrics”.
Well said. When people say "this is the greatest apple pie I've ever eaten", nobody bothers arguing about it by bringing out sugar content stats. That's why it's currently MJ for me. To this day nobody has ever given me the emotional charge I got when when watching MJ live.
Brother he can be surpassed 100% its just not lebron though. Handpicking other superstars to to tip the league in your favor but still losing 6/10 times you are heavily favored isnt great. It just isnt. If youre saying the “body of work” going through the grind of losing and eventually beating the competition, it is something Mj did and not lebron. If ever, losing to the mavs spurs and warriors in those superteam runs, made these other teams great for beating the superteam thats supposed to win not 7.8.9.10 lol
Yet a slow white guy who can’t jump is dominating the nba. Please explain to me how that makes sense if everyone is so much talented now?
It’s actually not subjective when you looks at MJ’s career. When you can lead the league in scoring in the regular season and the playoffs, while being a first team defender and you are the regular season mvp and finals mvp and you won the chip and you are the only man in the history of the league to do this and you did it 4x’s and the last time was at the age of 35. What is subjective about that?
mythical god type of being? WTF are you talking about??
😂😂 "something must've been physically wrong with u. Needed to go see a doctor" man that had me dying
Need more talks like this. No click baits, no narrative driven discussions, no race card being played . Just good ole fashioned sports talk
My favorite show. Keep going
Holy shit this is an awesome podcast lolol
When Shaq said he didn’t work out in the summer it made me think of chuck saying “ you should’ve won more”
This was a good podcast
NEED 3 MORE HOUR OF THIS SHAQ! CMON MAN
Shaq and jj reddick’s chemistry’s really good. They should start a podcast together
Shaq saying "the black Steph curry" is wild haha
JJ, this dude is so prepared.
I just got inspired. Holy fuck.
Let’s fucking go.
The league wasn't water down. There weren't 90 players from the street's it was an expansion draft. Those players came from different teams.
The Win Average of the bottom 5 teams in the league during Jordan's Era was 22 wins.
The Win Average of the bottom 5 teams in the league during Lebron's Era was 22 wins.
Redick provided ZERO statistics or data to back up his ridiculous claim, no evidence whatsoever. Six teams were added over a period of TWO DECADES (4 in the 80's and 2 in the 90's). One of those 6 teams was the Orlando Magic, added in 1989. The Magic became an incredibly strong and competitive team within only a few years of their addition to the league, drafting Shaq in 1992 and acquiring Penny Hardaway one year later! This 'expansion team' knocked the Bulls out of the Playoffs in 1995!
The Miami Heat was another one of these 6 expansion teams, added in 1988. They acquired Glen Rice in 1989 and though they initially endured a few seasons of mediocrity, Pat Riley's arrival as the new head coach in 1995 ushered in the Tim Hardaway and Alonzo Mourning era. Riley drastically transformed the new-look Miami Heat into a defensive-minded juggernaut and they quickly became championship contenders. They progressed all the way to the Eastern Conference finals in 1996-97 where they were defeated by the Bulls. The Heat would go on to become the #2 seed in the East in the 1997-98 season but eventually lost to the Knicks in the Playoffs.
The players that joined these 6 expansion teams weren't picked off the streets, these were professional NBA players already drafted to other existing NBA teams. In an NBA expansion draft, the new NBA teams were allowed to acquire players from previously established teams in the league. Not all players on a given team were available during an expansion draft though, each existing team was allowed to protect a certain number of their players from being selected, thus giving them the power to retain their 'Star' players. In the 80's expansion, the existing teams were each permitted to protect eight players from their roster. Additionally, the new 'expansion' teams would have access to high draft picks during the next draft pick depending on their win %! Where is the evidence of the league being 'watered down'?!
Since his latest attack on MJ and the 80's/90's era, a lot of people are posing this question to JJ, including Udonis Haslem live on ESPN... What about the G League and it's significant impact on the current NBA roster? Over 50% of current NBA players have G League experience and a significant number of current players are signed to two-way contracts. Does that mean that the current NBA is 'watered down'? I would be very interested to hear Redick's response to that question.
Any objective and rational person can identify a pattern here... Lebron suffers defeat and like clockwork, along comes a Klutch Sports 'Plant' pushing the next ridiculous MJ narrative, void of any substance..."But...but...but...Jordan played in a watered down league." Klutch are running out of Jordan narratives, each one crumbling quicker than the last. They are becoming so desperate, they are having to recycle old narratives! Remember when JJ stated on live TV a few years back that MJ was being guarded by 'plumbers and firemen'? The only card they have left is to continue trying to diminish Jordan's competition. That's it! That's all they have, now that the Longevity card has failed. It's truly disturbing, that Klutch Sports will stop at nothing in their absurd attempts to elevate James to Jordan's level, even if that means having to diminish an entire era of basketball.
Say what you want about MJ but he NEVER used Nike or the Air Jordan brand to tear down another player or to discredit another Era. He respected the legends that came before him and allowed his Resume and his game on the court to cement his legacy.
@@theresak2024 facts. Lets also not forget Lebron's era had teams tanking all the time. Teams losing on purpose. l
The Hornets, Heat and Magic joined the league in '88/'89. In '92 the Heat made the playoffs. In '93 the Hornets made the playoffs and won their first round series. In '94 the Magic made the post season and a year later they'd get to the Finals. It didn't really take long for some expansion teams to compete... because during "Jordan's tenure" we also saw some of the strongest draft classes ever. 6 of the 10 greatest draft classes ever (according to BR) were during Jordan's career.
Yeah, sadly most Lebron supporters like JJ are so desperate to bring MJ down that at this point they are resorting to just throwing out illogical talking points. Attempting to build up one person by trying to lower another is always transparent and sad.
No matter what it lead to players being drafted each year that wouldn’t have been drafted &’players sticking around that no longer would’ve had it not happened, that means watered down.
Awesome episode. Had alot of fun watching this. Great conversations thanks to you also Adam.
"Why are you such a hater?" 😂
This podcast episode is 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
I definitely remember Shaq shooting 3s in the all star game and I also know when JJ is asking a question he already knows the answer to 😂 especially when he goes “huhmp”
Shaq treats his 3pt attempts like his kid's names; some he remembers, other he don't 😂
Jj definitely on that Klutch payroll 😂
This was a great pod
i think shaq expresses the difference between the 90s ball and todays ball very well.
"if they couldn't play with us, then..." they're not all that ppl are saying they are.
rick barry said it well too. he was talking about how the nba admin has basically told the refs not to call obvious violations of basic dribbling and traveling rules, and that THAT is what's very much allowed modern nba players to keep hiking up points on offense.
and take what shaq says about physicality and what barry says about ignoring rules and i think modern nba players wouldn't be doing as well as they are.
At what point does shaq talk about difference between the 90s and today's game? Could you maybe ping it for me?
@@cyborggamer105 i dont have the time stamp but it was when he said what i quoted, "if they can't play with us."
meaning that if the guys now couldn't do well against the guys in shaqs time, in shaqs time, then that tells you their scores today are inflated, because they wouldn't be able to do what they're doing now, if they were playing against the gusy in shaqs time.
but rick barry put it more bluntly. they score better today because they can travel, palm the ball, and can't be touched at all without getting foul shots.
think about that. if you took away the step back how many fewer points do you think players would be getting? if you took away palming, how many fewer points would players be getting?
in shaqs and mjs day you couldn't really palm or step back and defense could definitely get rough. so it offense was harder. so scorers were less.
True
Jordan, Kobe and Lebron are all great. The thing that seperates 2 of the 3 of them is that 2 of them have that dawg in them and 1 does not.
9 defensive first teams
2 of the 3 belong in that conversation, Kobe doesn’t belong anywhere near that conversation.
@@jacoblee5796 I'd take Kobe over Lebron any day. At least Kobe had that dawg in him.
@@Grumpy-Pants Had that dawg in him, what does that even mean exactly?
LBJ is the better the scorer, rebounder, passer, defender and player. You Kobe fans are delusional, Kobe isn’t on LBJ’s level.
MY FAVORITE Top 5 of all time
1.Mj
2.Kobe
3.SHAQ
4. kareem abdul-jabbar
5.LeBron James
Legendary
acting like you watch any bit of Kareem play
"Body fat...this and that" Haha! :) 21:35
Any chance we can get uncensored versions of this? The bleeping of the curse words really kills the flow of the conversation sometimes. Love the content.
This also bugged me too. I checked and the audio podcast is unedited, but I don't see anything else on TH-cam.
95 All Star Game, Shaq attempted a 3 and shot an airball, next play Olajuwon shot a 3 and hit it.
A conversation with Shaq is always going to be a discourse because he is that one legend who never cared for plays or team dynamics - he jus went there and dominated everybody. He always had one formula 😁
JJ knows the magic were an expansion team right…? Shaq and penny are watered down competition now😂😂.
“All these earthlings” killed me 🤣
why is it so hard to get mj on a podcast
Absolutely love it 😊 great chemistry between them right from the start
Shaq, those older than 50 know exactly what you’re trying to get across regarding physicality because we saw it. You continue to impress us as you decided to change the subject rather than trying to get JJ to understand. One of the many reasons you are so successful…..and well loved.
I'm 36 and know what he means lol. I do believe anyone 30 and under don't understand tho 🤷🏿♂️
@@muhfkajonesI’m not 30, but if u just look at some photos of how the pistons were defending Jordan, it’s not hard to understand… LeBron would be crying every possession if he played back then… I think even JJ understands, he’s just trying to get on the good side of lebron 😂…
Every basketball fan should go back and watch TH-cam videos of classic games. They all there
But the flagrant fouls now are still fouls back then though. Teams back then got more free throw attempts because people were more physical.
If anything, free throw merchants like Embiid, Lebron, Luka, SGA, and others would love it because they don't have to flop to get the call
Ur not a nba fan if u think Lebron couldn’t play back then. Shit is crazy
Good listen! Surprisingly good personality mesh
"HARD FOULING IS NOT GOOD DEFENSE". Just because you can foul hard, it doesn't mean that you're a good defender.
fr lol
We can't even beat players overseas anymore... Why because of rule set... NBA has the worst rim protection I have ever seen, and I have been watching since the 80s. We get it guys you want today's NBA to be the best basketball ever played... Hate to even say this because it shouldn't be like this but with today's rules set, we are watching cupcake basketball and we lack rebounding, rim protection, post play on both sides of the ball.. Today's league we have guys falling to the floor crying over the smallest fouls not being called... No physicality and I am not talking about hard fouls just a hand check and no defensive three seconds that way we don't give up free lanes to the hoop and players have to earn getting to the hoop. Instead, we add rules to clear out the lane and get rid of the big men. What a time to be a drive and kick player
It makes you think twice about coming back in that paint tho!!😆
great ep gj everybody
Yeah JJ the league expanded during MJ rookie year but like you said he was a rookie. Plus that same thing you could say about today when the league took veterans off teams and put younger guys who never play or see the light of day. Watered down too.
Not even close to the same. The world of basketball has expanded and grown across the entire globe. You watched black and white tv. The coming era will be better than the current.
The league expanded when Jordan was retired that season after the 3rd championship
And that’s not the same thing but nice try with the comparison
@maurice2245 didn't say they are the same. Same could be said about watering down the league. Read mfkr lol
Not even remotely close, bro
The brother voice had me 😂😂😂
JJ we don’t need you to be coach! The podcast world needs you
Love the show..Shaq is just too funny man and great energy between him and JJ..great show guys
1:05:21-1:06:11. ROFL 🤣 Shaq was like hell nah u would’ve had a rude awakening playing with me. Im not part of this generation 😂
This combo is great lol I don’t like JJ by himself but he’s great with others
Efficiency > Longevity
MJs greatness is unmatched.
These two points must be unrelated, because lebron is more efficient than michael
@@Theseventhknightno he isn't
@@Theseventhknight 6 finals loses and you call that efficient? Lol
@@heytgp didnt say that just said that a higher career shooting efficiency is more efficient
Peak/Prime > Longevity, is what you mean
i like this episode, this like need a part 2
I think the level of physically back in the day was way tougher than now. The game was physical back then.
Yeah but the players are ALOT more athletic now
@@codyherman8541and stronger/bigger
I’d like to say you sir are
Amazing at ad reads
Tyson chandler was another one idk how yall don’t bring Tyson up , a fuckin monster from highschool to nba he needs to be mention more
How’s is this podcast not a bigger platform?😲🔥👀
Shaq said Jalen Brunson hasn't been playing well... Jalen Brunson dropped 39, 47 and 40 points with like 30 assists over the last 3 games...
He’s shot 38% the first two games
That shaq monologue at 16:45 was crazy 🤣 and then the burp
On my dead mom, I just thought yesterday watchin the big pod “when he finna get JJ on” lmaoo
What and why the F does finna mean gonna?
@@skillsmachine9164 “English mfer, do you speak it? Samuel L Jackson
Damn that got deep
@@skillsmachine9164 “English mfer do you speak it?” Samuel L Jackson
@@HEAT4YOAZZ my bad, ain’t mean to be lmaoo
Just sayin I ain’t lyin
lol this interview is dope because the thought process and different opinions from both
Not gonna debate the GOAT.....proceeds to debate about the GOAT
He didn’t debate it. He laid out some particulars around the arguments but didn’t debate for one side or the other
They didn’t argue a goat just said put Kobe name in it
You don't know what a debate is?
Didn't take long for me to find the idiot who tried to look cool by pointing out a contridiction that didn't actually exist. Great job.
Damn you just showed your intelligence with this one comment. Congrats man!
Yooo 😂😂😮😂 that shaq ad got me... Did not know shaq can read smoothly
Why does Adams brothah voice sound like Carlton Banks 😆😆😆
I seriously had no idea a Shaq podcast is what I needed
You say you don’t care about the GOAT debate, but praise Lebron then diminish MJ😂😂
Because thats the only time their reasoning would somehow make sense to them. They have to water down MJ’s career but at the same time overhype and make excuses for all of lebrons losses to make it make sense. Now bronsexuals hold this L yet again. Bring out all the excuses now why his lakers team is trashed by a hobbled 0 all star murray. Eat that L!!!!
He wasn't trying to dimish the greatness of Jordan. He was trying to explain the same concept Gilbert Arenas used for the 70s-early 90s NBA era!
What jj said was false
That’s cause Bron Bron is the goat
He’s on klutch sports payroll
Goat intro 😂
Would love to see JJ get the Hornets HC gig, great basketball mind
I don't know where this narrative of great basketball mind comes from. I'm sure he knows his X and O's like other players. I don't think he is on Rajon Rondo level basketball mind.
JJ is a national treasure in the basketball world. hes one of a kind
The player's during Jordans era are inferior to the quality of players now
JJ is so good with strong personalities like Shaq. It must be because he doesn't back down from what he believes, but at the same time you see the respect he has for the other guy. Not faking anything.
man is a bonfide role player. been dealing with super star egos his whole career lol
Yeah that must be it. I guess most of them role players go happily silent, but then theres guys like JJ and Pat Bev who dont want to. And you can be loud in many ways. I like JJs approach the most.
JJ is a Lebron glazer. His NBA career amounted to nothing that is why he is insecure and try to make up it by belonging to the media and manipulating it to his favor by claiming his generation is better to justify that he did not do anything in his career because it was “harder” to play in this generation and tries to discredit and belittle the generations before him. Lebron might have the greatest playing career of all time but he is not the GOAT. Jordan is.
Only way he can be relevant. He wasn't really relevant in the NBA. A glorified spot up shooter that was supposed to be more based on how he was in college.
Him and Lebron made a podcast saying they didn't want to get into a GOAT debate or things like that. And Here JJ is. Also JJ is the MAIN GUY in the media that called past players plumbers
is there an uncensored version of this
A TNT panel with JJ and Draymond would be 🔥
Charles, JJ and Barkley would be 🔥🔥
No
Jj and draymond would be falling over each other trying to kiss LeBron James ass
I really enjoyed the chemistry of these two
Shaq: “your jumpshot was sweet”
Jj: “it was”
😂🤣
Shaq intro is fire every episode hehe
Finally, someone called Shaq out on being a hater
Can't stand Shaqs basketball stupidity. Within minutes you can see it with the physicality conversation. Glad JJ says it as it is, unbiased with most of his takes.
Bobcats? They were after MJ retired. But Shaq was drafted by one of those expansion teams. And the Magic, Heat, Hornets were stacked and all were playoffs threats in the 90s.
This podcast is hilarious. Shaq is the most uninformed former Legend....and JJ is the most informed basketball nerd.
I'm sure JJ knew this going in, but if Shaq doesn't understand the basic difference between playing physical vs. flagrant fouls/ hard fouls...and he had to explain this, tells you all you need to know.
I thought the same thing. JJ is talking about how physical is the game ALLOWED to be played. Shaq seems to think getting into a fight once every 20 games is what makes it physical and then acts like no one in the current NBA could make it back then.
Shaq asked the one question till this day I couldn't figured out "are James and jj even friends?" hahahaha
Y’know. Some of the greatest basketball players ever have very shitty takes. Like, it’s concerning. It can’t be their age? They’re not losing their sanity just yet.
Shaq legitimately didn’t understand the difference between a flagrant foul and gameplay.
Shaq actually said to a mfkn reporter, BEFORE HE EVER WON A DAMN THING IN THE LEAGUE, that he’d, and I QUOTE, “won at every level except college and the NBA”. Shaq has always been this way
His ego is too fragile to admit many players are more skilled today.
@@poorchris maybe he would, I’m not saying Shaq wasn’t great in his prime. I’m just saying that he doesn’t like giving newer players credit, especially centers. He’s always worried about how it will affect his own legacy.
@@Bearghostermore skilled is just a thought but most the skills you see today been the same for almost 50 years now, players today just have a green light to shoot more and still go 0/12 also your allowed to travel,carry, and palm the ball. So skill is really a false statement. Some teams would struggle if they played teams 20 years ago due to not playing fundamental basketball
@@drechillin2154 you’re not talking sense. The game has evolved. People weren’t taking 3s at volume 20 years ago. Now most players must be able to hit 3s to even play. That is a skill. Bigs didn’t have to do anything but score inside and play D, barely had to dribble. Shaq was remarkable cause he had moves and was massive. He could never shoot though. Very very few bigs could. Now we have many bigs who can dribble and shoot like guards. Defense has evolved too, beating people up on the court is not skill. Trapping, double teaming, navigating screens- these are skills.
27:27 At this moment I SPIT laughed!!! Shaq stories be funny !!!!
Here’s what is the truth. For lebron to be goat, MJ’s achievements have to watered down, make excuses on why he won so much during his career despite all finals games are close, elimination games are close that he won. For lebron to be goat, you have to make excuses for why he lost so much despite handpicking players and building superteams!!! That there says it all. PERIOD.
Because jordan’s era was legit and literally trash. Stop coping
MJ failed to reach the finals more than he did, Lebron not the same thing. So why do you define reaching the finals and losing as being “worse” than getting bounced in the second round
"I'd announce myself as the black Steph Curry" 😂😂😂😂😂 genius
JJ is fed up with the GOAT debate unless the Lakers won the chip this year. He would be the first one proclaiming LeBron as the best ever
He's a hypocrite and a propagandist and a pseudointellectual. "I was up all night desperately searching for some obscure statistic that I can use to build my biased opinion around." He does what everyone else in media does now, try to put a positive spin on this league while ignoring its many shortcomings and ballwashing Lebron and whatever other superstar of the moment the league decided to prop up for revenue's sake.
If you wanna keep doing mental gymnastics over a grown man's opinions that's on you for wasting your own time 😂
@@kaydevious do you even like basketball or what my guy? All complaints no joy what's the point
@@mattpassos5689 and here you are doing just that
this episode made me have a complete 180 on how I view shaq and lefkoe. Super good pod ep
JJ Redrick criticizing Michael Jordan 😂😂😂 and this era actually takes that as credible. Dude couldn’t guard me one on one let alone hold a candle to JORDAN
Is it me or does JJ sound like he is always reading basketball for dummies when he talks sports
My brother in Christ, JJ 10 years later will cook you
Watching this a few days after JJ’s announcement as new Lakers HC-THE FELLAS AT BIG PODCAST KNEW!!! THEY SO KNEW!!! 🤣
Bro if you lost 6 nba finals and have a damn bronze medal with team USA… you’re not the goat of basketball!