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- Canto 6 released and it made the entire community... Honestly high key sad ngl. It was a tragedy. Definitely not in writing it's still up to Project Moons standards. But its a tragedy in what it did to Heathcliff. After Canto 4 & 5, after we as a community got so assured that at the end of every Canto the sinners would be fine, be happy. Canto 6 just breaks us. It showed that in Limbus Company we shouldn't be expecting happy endings for the Canto's. The sinners may change but that won't come in the happiest of ways... I still highkey am waiting for a second Sinclair canto tho, he needs it more than Rodya fr fr.
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ProjectMoon really asked us: "Do you want to get hurt? EMOTIONALLY??"
My broken emotion after Library of Ruina: As if I weren't hurt enough
They did not ask
They simply *did*
I FUCKING HATE THE CITY I LIVE IN
I HATE THE CITY WE LIVE IN!!!!
City is really fun place better than our world
They really did the outrageous move and made him even MORE depressed than what he was before the canto started
The Gregor treatment. Surely the next canto will be like canto 2 then, right? Funny and uplifting, correct? (as long as you dont read into its themes too much)
@@blowbow5561 nah dude the next canto is dons… it’s probably gonna be really depressing to show us why don acts like a 6 year old
@@zeimen9529 B-but... She's our gremlin. She's funny, so her chapter has to be funny. It definitely can't be so depressing, that I will lose the will to live I didn't know I had left.
@@blowbow5561the original book has a pretty depressing ending, so... It's highly probable that one will truly make us weep :')
@@blowbow5561 gregor is fairly happy past his canto
I feel like heathcliff while sad at the end of canto 6 has gotten better as what drives him isn't an obsession of catherine like the erkling and every other heathcliff, but his own goal and love for Catherine.
Yeah-- Heathcliff's "theme" isn't really revenge or envy, it's regret. Unfortunately the only way he can move on through life without regret is with Catherine gone-- and more importantly, that Catherine made that decision to free him. I think he took it to heart and is just trying to be a better version of himself, but that inkling of obsession with Catherine still lies in the back. I GUESS WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS
I think the ultimate understated irony is how if you take Butler Ryoshu to Nelly's fight she seems completely unsympathetic to her plight and simply remarks she's a disappointment of a head butler, continuing the tradition of our Sinner IDs spitting in the face of their counterparts at every opportunity.
I had a different interpretation of Cathy choosing to erase herself in the end. It wasn't because she still thought it was the only way Heathcliff could be happy. She realized she was wrong, just as Heathcliff did, that the whole thing had been a misunderstanding brought on by their inability to communicate their true feelings for each other. That things could have been different.
But it was already too late. The Erlking had been called to this world because of her mistake. Not only was he too powerful to be killed by the Sinners, even if they do manage it, the real him still exists to be summoned back by N Corp to use against Limbus Company. The only way to save her Heathcliff was by erasing the Erlking, and the only way to do that was to erase herself, because the Erlking is a Heathcliff that only exists for Catherine. So she sacrifices herself to save him.
I think that's what makes it even more tragic. Knowing what you did wrong and what could have been, but being too late to fix it, only having just enough time for a bittersweet reconciliation.
I would agree, as the moment Every Catherine is summoned and Heathcliff using the Golden Bough to talk to her. Our Cathy realized she screwed up and resisted the id's control over her.
Could she not have used the golden bough's powers to erase the Erlking instead?
@Dissectionator Don't forget that she summoned Every Catherine as well, who has similar goals to Erlking Heathcliff, and if she survives, she would start her own hunt for every Cathy. So she killed two birds with one Golden Bough
@@supernoob9245yes so overall getting rid of herself was the best decision since like their boss fight it’s basically a 2v1 situation
@@Dissectionator It's possible that by the logic of how she got rid of herself, that might've gotten rid of every other Heathcliff. And this entire thing started because Cathy wanted other Heathcliffs to be happy.
Heathcliff took kys to a new heights joke aside someone give him a hug pls
New Wuthering Heights
More like kms
You could say those heights were truly wuthering
he basically became british ltg lmao
The irony about Heathcliff's struggle is that in his pursuit for Catherine, he failed to notice or acknowledge how all the other sinners were opening up to each other in such positive ways. Yisang actually confronted his old friend directly, Meursault caught Erkling without any orders from Dante, Vergilius coming down to help, Don putting aside her idolization of fixers for once, Ryoshu speaking actual sentences around the Ring, Sinclair admitting that he's slowly accepting the trauma that happened in his canto, even Ishmael just not being so quippy/mocking Heathcliff the whole chapter. It definitely took everyone some courage to do the things they did, everyone around Heathcliff was clearly better for him than her, yet he still chose to chase after her... a literal ghost.
In a way, he was making the same mistake as Erkling by obsessing over what cannot be undone and ruining the present state he has aka refusing to open up to the sinners, the same way he couldn't open up about his feelings to Cathy. Only when he finally heard why Dante was fighting so hard for him or hear what Cathy meant by marrying Linton, he found the courage to do what he needed to do. Which is why the scene where he revealed his favorite color/the flower's name to Dante is such a bittersweet one, because we finally get to see him opening up to us and we know he's finally becoming a better person for his own sake, but compared to the rest of the sinners, it costed him alot to find that courage.
The ending definitely is a sad and uncomfortable feeling, but as long as we/Dante holds on to the small possibility of hope that Heathcliff will change from who he was, just like Yisang & Ishmael, then he will surely change and find his own happiness too.
Of course it's depressing. They were in london.
Jokes aside it is sad that Heathcliff didn't have a true clossure even after everything they've gone through. But i think it speaks to his character, he doesn't wail around anymore and instead moves on while still holding nto that bit of hope he has.
"This isn't a failure"
He's come a long way since we first saw him. I hope he'll get his clossure whenever that will happen.
His story is far from over
I agree this is not a lost but a continuations.
His closure is that he will no longer linger on the past and now only look forward into the future
The chadcliff is real, he turned his bereavement into determination and then gained the courage to approach. Even after Cathy is gone he still maintains his conviction.
Tbh I'm glad he doesn't have an actual closure to the story, it makes each canto unique and unpredictable, and the fact Herman's group got their hands into another golden bought doubles this even harder
They could just follow the same "Sinner beats their inner fears, retrieve the ego, evil is defeated" formula of Sinclair to Ishmael cantos however this would make the story feel more predictable but now this only teaches us that we cannot predict the cantos anymore and that each will have its own development
its absolutely insane how the power of just ONE golden bough was enough to erase the existence of a person throughout all realities and limbus company has FOUR of them
it is just 1 person out of millions or maybe billions, so yea it is not all that ridiculous especially given cathy is a regular person without any power (like fixer, arbiter, syndicate members, etc) so it is easier to erase her than like an arbiter or claw.
I feel like Cathy’s willingness to be erased played a part and that it’s not something that can be pulled off easily. Ironically a person’s will holds a lot of power in the Pmoon universe and not just because of E.G.O.
It wasn't just the power of 1 bough though.
The situation required 2 boughs to even occur in the first place, on top of the concent of the person being deleted (2 to summon a connection to every cathy, 1 re used to delete).
This is also not including harnessing the capabilities of the river beneath the manor to keep Cathy's mind around or the bough that summoned her still needing to collect even more energy from the lighting.
@@oviiembem6302Did you not see those flashing scenes? some cathies are DEFINITELY aleph levels🗿
@@georgelongcoal1117 you either severely underestimate aleph abnos, or overestimate cathy. her being even WAW is a stretch
Man, can you imagine looking throughout the entire multiverse and learning you are cosmically destined to play 3rd party to the world's most destructive relationship drama?
Knowing that you are only a spectator in hundreds of universe destined to watch tragedy will undeniably make one's sanity crumble
@@diavolojaegarSanity crumble? Deepwoken?
@@ComputerGaminggwhat are you on about bruh
This canto by all means should feel tragic for me but knowing how the book ended and that sight of book Hareton and Catherine Linton gave me hope for Heathcliff and [Redacted]
Atleast the descendants are happy
I think Heathcliff learns that he does have worth even outside of Cathy and that he can live without her. What’s most important however is that even with this knowledge he still chooses to chase after her to get her back because he loves her. He wants her not because he’s chained to it but because she was the color that he wanted and wants even now.
Thank you to saying my thoats
Don's canto is not going to be just depression. No thoughts = No sadness. We will experience peak delusion
I kinda hope we'll fight her, not as a distortion but as herself. something that pushes her so far into delusion that she considers everyone around her, even the rest of the company, evlidoers for her to strike down :)
The book has Don Quixote discovering the truth about his knighthood and hero side of him being a fraud..
And now we have The City and Clowns in her chapter
@@thatrandomguyontheinternet2477
Carmen: You are fraud, Don Quixote!
Don: *distorts*
@@edgieststalker8141
The Windmill Giant "Encounter" is just Don destroying the District in her Distorted form.
Someone hasnt seen the name for canto 7
The fact of how easily this could’ve been averted makes it hurt all the more.
How simply just saying “I Love You” could have spared countless lives. How easily Nelly could have been sussed out.
This is an idiot plot. But it’s gut wrenching in that the stupid decisions that started this were innocent mistakes that snowballed into tragedy.
Rich people aren't always known for making the most practical decisions! My girl built a lab in her basement rather than going to therapy!
I wouldn't call it an idiot plot, just a tragedy. the fact that it would have been easy to avoid is exactly the point: they were unable to avoid it because of who they are. they loved each other because of who they were, but because they were both proud and too stubborn to confess their feelings outright, they ended up with misunderstandings and suffering. I love how Through Patches of Violet represents that with the lyrics, and I love that it reflects the tragedy of the source material so well
This is very much the basis of many classic tragedies. Shakespeare’s ‘Romeo and Juliet’ feels like an appropriate comparison. Two unlike people fell deeply in love with one another, and due to an inability to voice it, or properly communicate to those around them, almost everyone they love, including each-other, ends up dying.
Isn't all comedy and tragedy idiot plots?
They really nailed the feeling of this chapter. Empty. We got the Bough and beat Erlking, but at what cost? Vergilus contract is now null in void for helping us, the bough we did retrieved was practically drained of all energy, Nelly made off with the actual functional bough, and Catherine's entire existence was wiped from all mirror worlds, but there's also that feeling of hope buried underneath it all. The sinners aren't as downtrodden like the events of Canto 1 and are ready and raring for the eventual rematch to get the bough back from Nelly and Harmann.
Vergilius contract isn't null but more like he will severely get punished but yeah it might affect his situation with garnet's revival
@@diavolojaegar There is a limit to how much they can punish him, because in the end they need a color and those aren’t easy to come by. Not to mention I’m sure the fact that we would have likely all died without his help would play a part.
You can say, they’re ready for revenge
I think Heathcliff is right honestly
It's not a loss, it feels more like a fresh start, a new goal he can strive to despite how much everything he lost
It's a tragedy, but one with a fragment of hope he can steer towards
Now, we are sure that Don is gonna be a hollow shell if she is anything like her story counterpart once her dream ends
Even if one dream end, she can still find another one. Actually, I hope that Yi Sang would be the one who help Don in this one, since their theme does intertwine when it's about idealism after all.
Also he now owns a mansion.
Neat!
Imagine the ending to the game the sinners kinda move into the new Wuthering heights as a meeting place to hang out
@@ericraululyeetusdelyeetus5028the sinners quite literally looted the place of anything of value😂
The ending will have her precious Rocinante shoes be erased from all realities, that will surely hurt :(
"Gee after Canto 4 I sure do hope another one doesn't hit too close to home-"
i fucking felt each and every canto since 4
If between two realms opened the path, canto 4 surely became the one way road of stories getting too close to home
*Stagger++*
When we reach canto 7 we face a fixer who uses the mirror to get a color Identity that will no diff Don just so she stop trying to be knight.
Since in the book Don faces the knight of the white moon then after Don got washed, the white moon reveals that he is Samson Carrasco, the knight of the mirror claims that he will cure Don of his madness.
Edit:Holy shit Tsunul keeps getting better with every canto analysis, seriously how can you keep making me cry in 28 minutes for how heartbreaking this canto really is.
Continuation of Part 1 Nelly survival:I was so wrong the only I get right is Nelly surviving but everything else is wrong since I said this will be the canto with least amount of death where mostly everyone survives to the most death in The Project Moon verse currently, like Everyone in the Wuthering Heights is dead expect Nelly then somehow they add the every Cathy death so now a Infinite amount of characters now dies, since Cathy commit multiversal LTG on herself.
Canto 7 will surely have the windmill as the final boss, the representation of her distorted view in the world and make her stop beign delusional and fight as who she truly is
It’s me the color fixer known as white splooge
As someone who hadnt read the original book and had little idea of where his canto was heading (despite knowing it was gonna be great because of him arguably being one of the sinners with the most pre canto development), I did not expect it to resonate so greatly with me.
Self loathing is a bitch.
The person that hated yourself the most is well you, live is a fucker
I usually assumed that Heathcliff's early aggression came out from distrust - not wanting others to look down on him, wanting to maintain some respect in the only way he managed this far - with intimidation. And even with guard up, he still cared for others MORE than himself.
The abuse he endured was what made him believe he's worthless, even though he really did not want to accept that.
Hell, even the other sinners always mock and put him down, assuming that he can take it - without ONCE ever hearing him out. And it's not like he was quiet about it - he always speaks loud when he is hurt.
And everyone looks down at him. Because "he can take it". Just a rough, violent brute, hard like stone.
She was the only one who did not see him as such.
People often talk bad about Catherine, because yes, she was far from perfect person - as tunnelvisioned as him ready to exploit for someone else. But she did, in fact, love him, above everything else, more than herself. Her energy, her captivating beauty and overwhelming power, like a tempest; their love like a vortex wrecking everything on their path. A romance unlike any other, drowning, burning, passionately, that makes heathmael stonk crash into oblivion.
And this is why i will not accept the "he needs to move on from cathy" as acceptable outcome.
He has a goal and deserves to not have the the bar of future expectations to be lowered any more.
One time, i want people to stop giving him lectures and let him reach for what his heart craves - and get it. He knows she's like a tempest - and yearns for that tempest to burn passionately in his arms once again.
Because what he got from canto 6 is that at least now he knows that he *is* good enough to deserve it.
See, what I like about this Canto is that they did two super hype things. They gave us the start of a new gameplay mechanic. As well as letting Vergilius finally cook. They gave us two hypes, for the sake of the ULTIMATE slam dunk on our hearts. Man I can't wait to see how they bully don lmao.
Canto 6 Is The Saddest Tragedy Project Moon Has Ever Made So Far*
and we await for another in the next canto..
That part about losing friends, falling out with people and eventually hating yourself because of it... The words spoken about hateful thoughts designed by the self to hurt most, echoing through you... I nearly cried. Because those words describe what's happened to me. What's still happening, in a way.
I think there is a bit of a genius ironic-paralelle with Nelly's actions in this canto when contrasted to Heath and Cathy. So Earlking Heath and Every Cathy both despair at the fact that in all worlds, the other is misserable because of them, leading them to want to commit missguided multi-dimensional suicide for the other's well-being. By contrast Nelly despairs at her own fate because of Heath and Cathy always leading to her demise, and proceedes to instigate this whole plot to save herself.
Reguardless of if the actions were taken out of love for another or selfishness, both were blinded by what they saw in the mirror just the same, the prospective realities making them miss what was infront of them, and the irony is that if Nelly hadn't been blinded by that and taken the actions she did, then out of all the worlds, her world may have been the one that turned out fine. Heath was ACTUALLY bettering himself, and had the letters reached Cathy, then Cathy may have not been miserable and without reason to live. In the end, Nelly had nearly caused her very own destruction that she sought to avoid by trying to avoid it and knocking our world's event's trajectory off course when her world may have actually been the one world where Heath and Cathy may have ended up happy.
I feel like the antagonists that is going to be introduced in these cantos going to truly topple even the blue reverberation in terms of organization nemesis.
So far we have 2 different factions that both actively opposes and support us despite not knowing their intentions.
We got hermann's batch with now the new addition of nelly which seems to be full of ambitious people( hermann wanting to destroy every mirror world, hong lu's brother[i haven't read the book but i know he is grandly ambitious] , gubo a calculative ambitious person, Ahab a blind obssesive person who's ambition was broken, nelly a old maid who simply had an ambition to be free from the contract and live her own life.
And then we get to have Demian's and his group who seems to be full of distortion/ego users with him and Rim the only thing being shown so far. They seem to be also guiding our group but in a way that seeks us to grow.
If the reverberation ensemble is an orchestra that was made to rival the library and its patrons back in LoR.
Now we have hermann's group a team that is filled with ambitious individuals similar to that of our sinner's wish.
Overall, this sh*t definitely not make any sense in just this canto representation but the entire story so far. But I am definitely looking forward on how PM is gonna cook with the rest of the cantos looking at how they cooked so far.
Edit: it seems like sonya has his own faction so I edited to elaborate the mistake mb g but it did seems like he has some connections with hermann and the n corp team.
I thought Demian and Rim were with Hermann though? You know, because of the blue motifs that every current member has in their clothes (aka Hermann, Gubo, that guy we saw this canto, and Demian's blue scarf)
@@edgieststalker8141 if you look at their names during dialogues. Hermann's team has a red color indication while demian's and rim's are blue name.
@@diavolojaegarbut Sonya name color different. Not red on blue, he has blue on white. I think, Sonya - is a third opposed fraction in this race for Golden Bought.
Sonya never joined the Hermann squad, I'm pretty sure
@@user-ol1ql4cj5l Sonya is in a weird spot.
He cooperated with Hermann but he implies a closer connection to Demian thanks to the sign and telling us that Demian would visit soon.
To me it looks more like he's in line with Demian but needed Herman's assistance temporarily.
Dante was such a chad this chapter, even though we lost, we saved a soul and granted a wish, and that's all that matters. this chapter also successfully made me adore Heathcliff, he wasn't high on my pm character ranking but now he is number 2. i know its campy as frick, but i also relate to heathcliff way too much. this canto really hit hard because of stuff that happened only 2 months ago. I do hope Heathcliff finds happiness without Catherine though, but to also treasure the memories of her. wonderful video Tsunul, thank you so much.
I think the most interesting part is about canto 6 is how PM changed Catherine from her bookself. And i want to talk about it in two scene:
The first scene is when Heathcliff is first brought to Wuthering Heights. In the book Cathy wanted a "Whip" so she could ride a horse, and this how she views Heathcliff as a possession. But in Limbus company, it's changed to "X corp all purpose wrench" which is symboic in a way as we see Cathy genuily wanted to help Heathcliff and even gose so far to erase her existence for his sake
The second part is when child Cathy is tearing the pillow. In the book, this was during her delirium when she teared it with her teeth saying how she "couldn't die" due to the feathers. Instead, PM made it in Cathy's childhood and change it so it talks about freedom
Overall, PM adapted these scene in a unique way and I love it. Canto 5 is truly peak.
the x corp thing is before meeting heathliff in the game, it symbolizes her intelligence and craftiness side of her.
@@AlphaAceEXmore like her interest in being an inventor
@@diavolojaegar wow thanks for repeating
@@AlphaAceEX your welcome.
@@AlphaAceEX I think it's about the symbol the whip had in the original, which in the book had such meaning, so you might expect a different symbol seeing that pm choice to change that.
If this is the depression canto 6 gave me what sort of agonizing despair are they gonna cook up for Don
🎉canto 7 is about to hurt
qon duixote
@@flop69419 don quisadte
Don Quipressed
She's about to revert to Afonso Quixano
The 7'o clock circus will return, yippee
You had no right hurting me with the misic choice
I can survive the theresa pv ost
BUT YOU DID NOT HAVE TO PUT IB'S MUSIC, MY HEART !
I also recognized Blade Catcher in the part with Erlking!
I think the reason why Cathy has feelings for heathcliff is because their relationship isn't just based off heathcliff and Catherine but also hareton and Cathy relationship one which is pure love
>I still highkey am waiting for a second Sinclair canto tho, he needs it more than Rodya fr fr
But it may imply Rodya doesn't *need* a second Canto at all. Is it true?
Now that I think about it, the trick lies in the Mirrors. Yi Sang's Mirror shows him Sang Yi, the best version of himself. But Hermann-supplied Mirror showed Nelly and Catherine only the worlds or misery and despair. It's as if the Mirrors have a bias regarding which Mirror World they reflect based on the creator. This *whole Fing thing* was Hermann's fault (and could've been prevented/changed/averted with Yi Sang's Mirror), wild.
I do believe we are gonna get a new batch of cantos after we’ve done with “inferno”. (Purgartoriso and Paradiso) And the sinners development doesn’t end as they still growing little by little even outside their canto. So it’s likely that Sinclair and Rodya will get their next big moment one day.
And yes, all of this is the consequence of discovering a way to looking into a parallel worlds. Even the whole event of Ruina was partially manipulated by the Purple tear who implied to somehow see into the alternate timeline. As Demian said, it’s because of mankind nature to envy of something they can’t have, desire to controlled something seemingly outside their control, that even a glimpse into the knowledge of how things could go down in a world different from yours can be disastrous.
It’s like trying to defy a prophecy, but Sci fi dystopian version.
@@s.m.g.2391 My point (or, I guess, my rrat) was, no one looked into *all* parallel worlds, only into *some*. In a literal infinity of the highest order (continuum) of possibilies of Mirror Worlds, was there not even a single one that would've contradicted Nelly or Catherine's conclusions? Of Fing course there was. But the Mirror from Hermann wasn't designed to show them that, the Mirror wasn't designed to do what Hermann didn't intent it to do.
pretty sue that was the whole point of the demian speech. when you overlooked every possibility in mind , overthinking about the future and have a twisted view of the world. but you still always have a grounded feeling of the reality you are in no matter how wonderful or bad the other world is.
@@ITAndroMedian Agree. I do think that in some way, what the user saw in the mirror also directly reflected their mindset and character. Cathy feeling deep down that she might be the cause of Heathcliff's suffering, so the world she saw reflected that, even if they are not absolute. Same with Yi Sang finding the world with his ideal self in the mirror because that's what he want to see as a way to escape the unideal reality he live in. Even if there are other possibilities, deep down, people would almost always choose what they want to see/believe and conveniently turning a blind eyes to any contradiction.
@@AlphaAceEX by considering every chip in the infinite bag, you're stealing possibilities from yourself with your pointless rumination of what could have been
Vergilius is still waiting on that apology letter, tsunul...
Jokes aside, this cantos ending didn't feel bad. It felt bittersweet. Heathcliff and Catherine made a choice that was for the best: giving heathcliff the ability to move on and say goodbye to the love of his life. He will heal, he will recover, but most importantly, he has people that genuinely care about him by his side now. Even vergilius has shown that he cares, something he didn't do for Sinclair, yi sang, or Ishmael. Sure, heath may feel empty now, but he can now fill that with other things to bring him happiness.
Ultimately
Heathcliff will move on, and, thanks to Cathy's sacrifice, heathcliff will be able to enjoy his life without it needing to be for someone else's sake.
TRAGEDY canto 6 was peak, but Don canto might not end well.
Damn...
◼️◼️◼️◼️◼️ loves Heath so much she turned her own name into his fav color!
(Deeply sorry)
The bittersweetness really cannot be understated. Yes, Heath did lose the one thing he cared about and never got the closure he hoped for. But throughout the game it has been continuously implied that he's just a bro whose aggressive behaviour is just a defensive mechanism to keep him from bonding with people, so he cannot hurt them later. But throughout part 3 of the canto, he has measurably grown. He rejected the Erlking's self-destructive nature, and resolved to actually communicate with Cathy once.
The takeaway here is that, even if he never gets to see Cathy again, if she is the one failure he can never make right again, he can still make bonds with other people that care about him, or at least connect to him, and make them his reason for living. Dante, Sinclair, Don, Ishmael, and Meur-the-godsdamn-absolute-freaking-goat-sault. The story may be a tragedy, but it doesn't destroy him, and will likely only make him all the stronger for it.
Also funnily enough, here in LU our version of a John and Jane is a Metti and Kätti, and guess what those names are in English.
oh i’m pretty sure that heathcliff will bring back cathy since her body is still there and its what his whole new ego voiceline is about it would be kinda disappointing if that never got any pay-off especially after they stated that catherine’s body still exists and not mentioned as a corpse
Great video man, didn't honestly expect to cry during it. Honestly really love how this canto went about with Cathy, I remember my friends were hoping Cathy would be evil but I'm glad PM didn't go that route. I'm glad Cathy actually loves Heathcliff and doesn't see him like she did in the book. It made a lot more tragic but makes me hopeful that Heathcliff can find his happiness in the future. Whether it be though him moving past her and finding love else where or bringing her back, either way I'd be happy for him.
From how i see it, the story of each Sinner is far from over after their Canto. All Sinners that had their first Canto have still unresolved issues.
Something i noticed is that every time there is one person/foil left to return later and is always connected to one thing: conflict between N Corp. and the group in blue
Gregor - Hermann, Rodion - Sonya, Sinclair - Demian, Yi Sang - Gubo/Rim? , Ishmael - Ahab Round 2 electric bugaloo, Heathcliff - Nelly. It feels like a setup for a future N Corp. final days gauntlet.
After Canto 6 Heathcliff has found a new goal, after finally confessing his feelings he will keep the memory of her alive and gain the Pride needed to move past his flaws
and also just maybe find a way to at least wake his Cathy up again along the way (as stated in his new Bodysack EGO lines), after her Soul is now drifting through Carmens place.
Edit: did add things to clear misunderstandings
yi sang have his issues fully resolved. you can say he still have loose ends, but now he actively work against his past that he dont agree with and try to keep the sinners together when they argue.
also rim isnt herman group. n corp and demian group is two distinct factions, with the latter having very powerful abilities and the control over "the power of the stars" if you know what i mean.
@@AlphaAceEX but thats exactly what i said?
All Sinners still have connection that will draw them into the conflict between N Corp. and the group in blue.
And Yi Sangs unresolved problem is N Corp. abusing his mirror technology, but i would say its more about Gubo than Rim (did almost forget about this guy)
Heath, Yi and Ish have mostly resolved their personal issues.
Their remaining conflict is in opposition to their antagonist (Ahab, Gubo and the other researcher), or a goal to complete (getting Cathy back) but their main character burden has been cleared.
These are things that can be done without the character having to change/develop and still give significant stories as it shows the contrast to their old self.
By contrast the first 3 sinner didn't really grow into a point to do such things.
Sinclair is still a far cry from what Demain sees him becoming one day, Gregor was unable to say anything in the critical moment and still hasn't fully addressed his situation.
Rodion is a bit more of a mixed bag but there's still quite a lot of potential as she still sees herself being in this journey as part punishment for her rather than a constructive reason.
By and large the first 3 cantos were much less about developing the sinner and introducing them.
@@theresnothinghere1745 Thats what i mean.
They have confronted a source of their past trauma and are now getting better, but they still have things they want to get done.
All im try to say is that there will likely be more to each Sinners story than a single Canto.
Really well made video. I love this so much canto 6 really did hit me on so many levels, possibly my most favorite after canto 3
And with this chapter Danteh is becoming one of the best sinners.
Congrats to Nelly. Her life is no longer going to be ruined by Cathy and Heathcliff. Now it’s just Heathcliff.
She had better start running.
Honestly after this canto some of my pm friends have been taking bets on who we think is gonna be the next sinner to distort. Don is the most obvious option but honestly I think Rodion is next on the chopping block. I noticed from the beginning of the Canto that the impoverished areas of T corp brought out of her depresso gloom. Of the sinners who have already had their Canto I think that she’s the one who had the least development in her canto with it mostly being used to set up future plot beats for canto 3 (especially since she is the only sinner who doesn’t have an ID based on her canto). Just her whole mentality of wanting to run away and cast off her old life, how her base id’s skill 3 gains more power the lower her mental health is, and how her ego’s old passive made her more corrosion prone than foxcliff/ninclair… just makes me wanna her distort into something like a more icy version of Philip ^^
Bro the music makes this all more heartbreaking. Amazing video- got a sub from this
I owe you one Tsunul. This video made me actually feel emotions for canto 6. Yes you heard me correctly, everytime i played and watched canto 6 i felt nothing but sheer and utter indifference or immense hype. But looking back on it, seeing the story separate from the vergil moment, milis song, and the erlcliff fights; shining on its own finally let me understand the beauty of the canto. Thank you Tsunul for making this vid.
Remember guys, communication is important!
Only a heart so thoroughly emptied can hold the love and memory of the infinite. March on Heathcliff, your heart a resplendent, noble island of violet in the dark. After all, you're the only one who can.
28:12
Existence of Who ❓
Common man Don't leave us Hanging........
One thing that's cool now that I see it is that his symbol can be seen as a cliffside, but it can also be shown as an wolf's snout/mouth, and of course there's Catherine and Heathcliff's initals sketched into it.
I can't believe a Tsunul vid made me seriously cry
No apology video
Fell off
Each canto just keeps getting better and better
At the beginning of the canto, the sinners have a conversation about how living without knowing color is probably better than having it, then losing it. That conversation wasn't about color, that conversation was really about Cathy.
first things first, excellent video tsunul! Heathcliff is truly my GOAT! i can't wait for the day he finally can say that he is fine,that he can finally move on and even achieve his happiness
congratulations on 20K Sir.
This truly was heartbreaking
babe wake up, new Tsunul video dropped
Damn I was not expecting to hear the piano part from Hikari at the begining and holy crap, hearing heathcliff say those words with that ost on the bg, perfect choice 👏
Man, the music from Final Fantasy XIII-2 you put around minute 17 gave me flashbacks of years ago, when I played it for the first time
Nearly 20k subs nice
What an epic edit, I almost thought this ESGOO channel
I fucking love how project moon takes a spin on the sinner's original literature, in Heathcliff's case they made it more depressing than the original
Honestly what you said about Cathy erasing herself for Heathcliff’s happiness is right on the mark. It even lines up with the lyrics of the song around that point in the fight “Love must be the reason why I still believe in this lie, that you’ll live a better life without me by your side.” She knows that it isn’t what would make Heathcliff happy but she wants to believe that it will lead to a happier future.
I read Wuthering Heights before this canto released, boy that was a mistake
don't get me wrong, wonderful book... but it just made this canto hurt so much more
the canto starting with Rodya complaining about how if she had never known color she would have been fine living her entire life, but having seen color and having it taken away makes it unbearable and miserable
much like Heathcliff being born into the world and taken to meet Catherine (the color), only to be separated and forever suffering for it. In the end, never having Catherine in the first place is the only way Heathcliff could ever live a good life (as far as a life in the city's concerned lmao)
peak....
Friendly reminder that we lost our dear friend Sir Squirrel way too soon. RIP
I finally have time to watch youtube (just for this video) and I am watching with two tissue boxes and a dream ☺(I'm so excited Tsunul you don't understand) I'll be back in 28 minutes and 22 seconds
THIS CANTO WAS FIRE
Fr tho this canto is my favorite right now cause it's just sad as shit and how virgilius just fight back and shit WAS PEAK.
DON COUNT YOUR DAYS
You know what I find to be the worst part of Cathy erasing every other Version of herself?
The only difference that is noticed in the Heathcliff Identities that we have access to is that the two that mention Cathy no longer do. Ncliff no longer uses his last breath to speak her name when he dies. Queecliff doesn't say a name for his coffin to reach.
Her sacrifice, while it may have caused the Erlking to disappear because he no longer could exist without the existence of Cathy, ultimately did not change much about how more than a few of the Heathcliffs across the mirror worlds would live their lives. The ones that suffer, like the Kleinhammer, the Leader of the TLA, and the Harpooner of the Pequod, will always suffer. Those that thrive, like the 7 Association Agent, the 4th Pack Rabbit, and the Oufi South Section 3 Director, will always thrive.
In other words, at least for the Heathcliffs that we know of, Cathy was never the source of his misery or his success.
I think it is an absolute genius vision that Project Moon chose these well known novel MC as their characters.
With these existing novels I don’t have to question or doubt these characters’s motivations or such and can just solely focusing on how Project Moon is going to rewrite these characters in their world.
And they are doing an extremely good job.
His love is still far away.
But now he have courage to confess his feelings and to listen to hers, while every other heathcliff we met failed.
I think it's promising.
bro really got me crying and shaking over a video essay 😔
The biggest prove of love... It is to let him free.
This is so beautiful man, Cathy is the Goat
Love this
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I WAS WAITING FOR THIS PEAK!
I shall edit my comments with my thoughts, while this was my least favorite Canto, I find it to be the most interesting.
Edit: I think my initial dislike came from the inability to look past the Carmen and Vergilius scene, I had a particular hyperfixation on their importance. I felt that PM was overreliant on fanservice, and that caused them shove my most favorite quote of Wuthering Heights, "I have not broken your heart - you have broken it; and in breaking it, you have broken mine." onto Erlking Heathcliff, instead of allowing Heathcliff to say it. I think I forgot that those two aren't important as characters, but as forces that drive the story forward.
But, now I realize that, that quote cannot be said to the Heathcliff we have, as you pointed out Heathcliff chose to better himself for the sake of Cathy. Unlike the Heathcliff of the original book, or Erlking Heathcliff, who fell into absolute despair.
This ending is so sad that I have so many mix feeling after finishing the canto.
P.E.A.K.
22:21 WHA- NO- NOT THAT SONG, I WONT BE ABLE TO WATCH THE VIDEO THROUGH MY TEARS
This Canto was peak it even gave us maid Ryoshu and Ishmael 😮
Love it!!!
The wait was Worthit
I'm glad it was! Thank you so much for the super chat!
at first i thought the sinners' chapters were about helping them achieve their goals but in the end they were more about saving them from their mental limbos more than anything else
Blue star
If Heathcliff chapter was that sad, Meursault chapter will break people atoms. just Meursault book broke me in half. his chapter will be insane.
You forgot to mention that the emotional damage got multiplied because of mili’s song.
The story so far seems to shape up to a final confrontation with Hermann and the N Corp. Ahab being rescued, Nelly going back; the White haired boy for Rodion, the obvious mom for Gregor. There's going to be one final clash for every sinner in the climax, and hopefully everyone's wishes will finally be true afterwards. Including our boy, who will get the happy ending he deserve with Cathy. Until then... he'll keep on remembering.
na, to me the saddest moment in all of proyect moon was the protagonist saying "i'm sorry...and thank you" the only two things angela wanted to hear all her long long life.
1:57 this part took me by surprise actually, i didn't care about the plot twists since im used to that in proyect moon games but that one i didn't expect it at all.
when i was reading nelly's betrayal , a chapter from rick & morty came to my mind where rick shows up and says something like "so you guys have seen your other versions of yourselves and now you see they have better lives than what you have"
I'm really glad I got to see your analysis. Also, here's the thing-- wasn't the only outcome where they were both "together" (buried side by side) the actual ending of Wuthering Heights?
That being said, yeah, I think Project Moon is earnestly trying to fucking kill me, Cantos 4, 5, and 6 have each hit me harder than a freight train. Though, I think there's some really interesting stuff to take into account now in a post-Catherine world with Linton Gregor and Chief Butler Ryoshu's Tier 3 stories. Especially Ryoshu's-- does it suggest that Erlking Heathcliff is still out there, somewhere in other worlds, still taking his pain out on others? Especially since that all too familiar theme plays.
Ye that world is the actual ending of Wuthering Heights
Im still new to the franchise but have they ever announced that there would be two cantos per character or anything?
I haven't really seen anybody mention this, but PM masterfully introduces and solves a paradox in this Canto: the Heathcliff ID paradox
We can tap into the other Heathcliffs of the Mirror Worlds, but how could they have been so different and also seemingly leading "good" lifes, when they all were bound by Catherine?
Especially us being able to use them during the whole ordeal?
Because how the Canto is told, we must assume that the only results every Heath ID had available were death by Erlking or descending into despair beyond repair
We see that isn't true, as no one of the IDs is particularly miserable when we use them
Meaning we already use Heath IDs that must had their Cathy erased, which makes sense as we don't necessarily use the IDs of the exact same "world time"/ moment that we go through
And they also couldn't have been a Heathcliff before his return to Wuthering Heights, or else they would mention it/ be preoccupied or unnerved by the thought
So the tragic ending we got by erasing every Cathy cycles back to our gameplay, but also somehow foreshadowed it
(P.S. Nice use of Hellagur's theme)
I liked this chapter, though I am really interested if I am the only one who feels it hit less than previous one. There were really cool moments sure. But I suppose it's either the lack of experience in love on my part, or on a contrary the unpleasant vibe I got from Cathy and Heath relationships. Like I know they care about eachother to obsession, but also it feels more about themselves than about eachother somehow??? Like I really want to know if I am the only one with this vibe? Not like chapter is bad, just want to see if someone feels the same as I?
That's how it is though.
Despite telling themselves it was for the sake of the other person they were acting on their own interest until before the end.
Heath tells himself he left wuthering Heights for Catherine's sake, so that he won't lose it in front of her or Linton.
Catherine tries to kill every version of herself so Heath isn't shackled to the manor.
But neither actually ever talked to find out what the other wanted, they projected their issues without discussion leading to their actions being selfish rather than sefless in nature.
Happiest story from the UK
man, i'm crying :
Ok, I think some of us know the next canto after Don's is hong Lu, after that is Ryoshu, meursault, Outis, then faust.
To quote tsunul "honestly as time progresses heathcliff seems to be my spirit animal"
I think heath took that too seriously
I kinda wanna see him try to bring cathrine back not out of his obsession but because he truly loves her, not because he can’t live without her, but because he wants to live with her in his life, but i want him to grow and change because he wants to live to not just for Catherine but for himself, for the sinners, for dante, for his friend, and i want him to do both at the same time, why? Simple because to reach for the stars is worth a shot.
To be honest this is the one that I relate to the most
Nice.
It was worth reading the book 3 years ago.
boy cant wait to see how the wreck don(also canto was pretty good)
in the original literature, the ending is really not a happy ending unlike in romantic stories with happy endings, but for PM's adaptation, i got the grasp how the ending from the literature made it clearer to me especially on the flashback supposed to be more resemblance of Heathcliff (son of Heathcliff and Isabela Linton) and "Cathy" (yes thats the name of their daughter) Linton (Catherine and Edgar Linton's daughter) (which is also lore accurate that Heathcliff will supposed to be die due to being schizo love to Catherine). So im really glad that PM is executed the adaptaion flawlessly, though PM didnt mentioned their kids in the game but they made it clearer when the specific flashback appears i guess i let it slide xd
correct me if i am wrong because ive read wuthering heights a loooong time so i totally forgot most of the parts of the book
What are the music you use for the video?
Bro if we get Erlking as an ID it'll be even more tragic since it would mean clearing all the cathys achieved nothing
Inb4 Erlking is kept as a design but is switched to being something like new boss of the dead rabbits, keeping the nailed bat design
@@relatablecancer9899 That's my hope
@@relatablecancer9899 The problem about nailed bat is.. its probably Isabella weapon rather than erlking heath weapon.. cause when she died.. her death sprite are like sinner... Keeping their own weapon and their clothes before synchronized with an id.... But that just what i think about the nail baseball bat weapon...(i hope they gave us the sword erlking lol)
@@Mirfan-wt4sp they did
Heathcliff Erlking has not disappeared anywhere, but now he is obsessed not with Katie, but with revenge on Wuthering Heights, for his suffering in the past.