That was also the argument of a greek philosopher (don't remember which one) against democracy. A Reddit mod have a voice worth as much as a hard-working educated person for some reason, and the masses tend to listen to the first one because he is louder. PS: not saying I'm against democracy btw
Some ideologies and religion are inherently anti- peace. As long as there are people who want to conquer the world, as long as good people refuse to gatekeep and stand up for themselves then there will never be peace.
The Vellmori situation is sad If she had stayed, There is a real possibility of someone doing something stupid So there was no choice but to leave. She was pretty much harrased off the company Because people saw something without doing research themself Actually a few topics on this video boils down to this "I read someone saying something so it must be true, No I will not do my own research to see if he is right I will believe at face value"
it is very strange to hear about all these stories of disagreements, harassment and persecution from the height of the Russian community. Whatever happens to the project moon, the entire community will stand up for them and support them in every possible way. and remembering how we discussed the story with vellmori, I could not even think how tragic and serious everything really is. I hope project moon will no longer have to deal with scandals of this magnitude and there will be no misinformation and disagreements in the global community
The Bridget "character development" Comes off as someone who was constantly browbeaten and despite their actual beliefs and wants, gave up. Don't care much about the story of guilty gear in the first place, but from an outside perspective doesn't seem like what most people were touting it as.
Thank you for informations and explanations you given to these controversial situations, it actually explained quite a lot (and gave a bit more information and a clearer narrative compare to Moon Channel) . I have a personal opinion towards the Bridget situation, that (is) there are people who don't hate it but feel disappointed because of what was the backstory compare to how Bridget is now. The impression is that it's disappointing to see Bridget decides to be a girl after all those times she tried to prove otherwise, however, the explanation that it is what Bridget chose is fine for me. Even people who are transgender expressed that, in the end, it's only a bit disappointing because they personally think that the story could have been handled better.
It is important to note that Vellmori was accompanied by a labour lawyer when she confronted Project Moon. A labour lawyer can be invaluable in obtaining remedies for illegal termination or termination without notice. It's pretty interesting that after this confrontation, the PM's attitude towards the notice changed, don't you think?
What do you mean by that? Of course u could ignore stuff i don't like and comment i didn't agree with, you're just jealous with other people having fun, it's not like everyone want to end your life or doxx you, zometimesbi istmoa justbnsnsomeb kidna bandte rkozl iwndin dunxne
The Jocat controversy is straight-up evil for what those people did. He went back on Twitter and started doing art, and yet people still hate him and threaten him. All for basically saying "I love all women."
All this is barely a scab wound tbh. People back then would post fake tutorials on how to make beautiful home decorations, but ended up being tutorials of making mustard gas. By the time the information got passed that this was dangerous and false information, people had already been injured / killed for making it without any protection gear. The Internet didn't change, you just became more exposed to the darkness from it.
Reality is where the people who'd dox get reported to the local sheriff. If people acted on the internet like they did in reality no one would be doxxing anybody over stupid stuff.
@@bang1054 people back then did know about all that stuff but it didn't matter. The Internet has swapped places with the real world. That Darkness was always big but now you're forced to dance to it's tunes. In the past you were allowed to move on.
Also you know the old saying "people on the internet will treat fictional characters as if they real people and then talk about real people as if they were fictional and then get mad at you for knowing the difference"
So? True freedom is dangerous. ANYONE trying to seriously "police" remove, etc... The internet. Will cause a veteran, to k1ll the internet themselves. (At least in the US, for now). The grid is pathetically weak, and just asking for a coordinated 3mp attack.
My mom used to always warn me to never interact with random people online, as they could be a degenerate insane weirdo. And upon the day I turned 18 and started actually exploring the internet(I had only used it to watch horror games on TH-cam up until that point), I can safely say... ... She was right all along. I have never felt prouder to be some slightly functional shut-in that very rarely interacts with people, especially those online.
hey hey, I just don't like interacting with people I have no common interests with :P as far as real life interactions, they really exhaust me, and I'm a broke gal so youtube and internet is is =D
I’m one of those people who doesn’t like penguinz0, but not because of anything he did, his content just doesn’t appeal to me, and I just don’t like how everyone inserts his name into everything like he’s this messianic figure. To be clear, I don’t hate him, the person. I don’t know him. I don’t want to know him. I just don’t like that everyone wants to hear what he thinks and he’s just… a guy on the internet. So you know what I do? I just don’t watch his channel. If people talk about him, I skip or tune it out. It’s really not that hard lol imagine doxing someone because you don’t like them
I'm one of those who don't like him because he platformed a massive lie about a creator that led to said creator being harassed and horribly deplatformed on almost every site aside from twitch, and not doing anythin to rectify it. For anyone wondering, check out what happened to Taiga, a vtuber. There are some pretty comprehensive coverage over all of it by people like RoyaltyIsHere.
@@Rodoet001 Ah I just found what you were talking about but uh that was on Nux's video. Moist simply took his word for it when Taiga was next on the tier list and Moist himself didn't make a video on Taiga plus what is there to rectify Nux already made a pinned comment and edited out the section (sure its not the best thing). Anyways in my research, Moist was like "mhmm dam i can't believe that oh well next vtuber."
Gotta love the limbus company community is praying for Maxor to play limbus because they use limbus music while the blue archive community has a meltdown
@@ninguem8872I meaaaaaan... Gate keeping isn't that bad? Like, as PM community is now, it's prefect, like legit my favorite fandom, ever (love you all
I remember getting hated and called a literal psychopath for simply enjoying the undertale genocide route they said some shit like the game was a personality test and I'm a psychopath and should get help simply because of liking the genocide route in undertale
Same. I liked tanks, and when i was young, ive been called and indoctrinated to believe that i am a [german ww2 soldier]. It became my persona up until i learn what it is years later (i live in asia, we were never taught of ww2 as much)
Bruh dude i was in a toblox game once and i was talking about this anime, not even wierd in the slightest but instead a very good one with a very good story, and one dude looked it up and immediately started calling the charachters l@lis because they were literal middle schoolers, and started calling ME a literal minor wierd and said that i should be kept 3 miles away from schools.. im literally a minor.. I still remember that because it baffles me.. and if the guy immediately thinks that about any anime or show that has young charachters then it probably shows he was the wierd one, as he probably saw alot of.. that. Mf needs to touch grass though, legit called a child something horrendous because of a show 😨😨
@@kqlolll2618 bro, i don't even know what to say. It called you pedophile for just watching a show that has underage characters??? It's saying watching any show that involves kids in any way is pedophilia, that mf really calling you a pedophile over pixels even though you're a minor and even if it's loli. How do you even call someone a pedophile for something that does not even exist outside of the internet? Like it's not even a real thing, it's literally just pixels
Truly I’m terrified for the future of kids growing in this internet climate. Like for people who are older like us it’s easier to tell when something is taken out of context and just plainly wrong, but for kids most of the time it’s just not the case and they’re quick to follow whichever group is the loudest, which sadly leads to controversies like the Zamii or the Scaramouche one.
That is why parents must watch over the kids. But for me problem is: there was a grown ass peoples over 30 who does that and do stuff, like what kids is doing
@@legioneras4576Yeah, you gotta remember for these kids to have grown with this content, there were already older people making it. As someone who grew up on the internet, you either end up kinda ok, really fucked up or just stay profoundly ignorant. Either way, you end up constantly overwhelmed and with more shit in your head than you have time to process. People will claim it's the parents jobs to supervise what their kids watch on the internet, but to me that's just plainly wrong. These platforms are made to constantly barrage you with outrageous stuff, it's the logical consequence of an attention-seeking algorithm, what catches people's attention? Outrage. Both adults and kids alike are being fed this shit nonstop, and who's to say the parents are to trust? Isn't it a recurring topic how out of touch older generations are? Weren't they the ones that passed all this hate down to us? They were, after all, the first ones to use the internet. What we see today is just the extreme of what was already planted beforehand. I certainly know I didn't trust my parents, and I was right to do so, if I depended on them I would just end up as their ignorant little doll. I had quite an extreme misogynistic phase, but if it was for my parents I wouldn't even be allowed to figure it out and grow, I would just stay silently misogynistic and not think about it. These aren't individual problems of individual parents not caring for their kids. It's a systemic one, our whole society is built on hatred and the whole internet survives off of profiting off that hatred. Parents just want to close their kids eyes and keep them ignorant so only their biases are passed onto them, while the internet just wants to overwhelm them with more and more horrible shit so can they can profit off of it. What kids need is a safe space for them to develop their own ideas, taking inspiration off many different perspectives while being reminded to keep a critical outlook. But that place doesn't exist. So, kids are just left to wander the digital wasteland all on their own, with only luck and the hope that they had and find some positive influences that don't radicalize them into some horrible shit.
@@scug1997 You know, a great point. Kids should have there own "kindergarden" of internet. But mostly true. You right about parents, I as myself hid a lot of secrets from parents, and don't want to show them even now. Maybe it's my thing, but in internet you either, try to understand with your kid what is going on around him and try to teach him, how to think by himself, so that way he wouldn't get into a scam and, for the god sake, some sort of cult, or supervise them. Should parents supervise there kids? Hard to say in 2024. No? Yes? This question for me was so hard to answer, that need more a full scientific psychology work, rather then a random comment guys. Answer lies somewhere in between, and people don't like that. Parents should be interested in what kids is doing, but don't need to full control and obliterate there personal space
@@legioneras4576 Exactly, a parent should be someone the kid can rely on to help them THROUGH whatever they may encounter, not someone to control them, neither completely neglect them
Don't worry there won't be that many kids to begin with, all that's left is to make sure the few kids we do have around cant access the internet till they're of age.
@@Nebukanezzer if it was just working conditions why did so many in the victorian era have 5+ kids and why in places like hungary is the birth rate increasing even though the working conditions have to some degree gotten worse?
i dont understand why people make such a deal about a social construct that dont mean jack! I DO WHAT I WANT!!! Also, look, if ur worry about a dumb social construct that dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things, then ur living a very luxurious life where u dont have other problems to think about that the rest of us do. I got 999 problems and gender isent one of them i could care less what everyone is. also i feel we have way to many people in the world so 0.6 birthrate is fine by me but thats cuz i havent yet to think about the consequences of that
@@sellis2819 people had loads of kids in the victorian era because they knew that at least 3 of them would drop dead because of polio or some shit. you've got your kids, then you got your 'backup kids'.
The JoCat situation was truly upsetting and the primary reason why I dipped from Twitter. At any given moment, anything you say can offend someone even if its not meant to be offensive. He was especially loved in the Final Fantasy XIV community though I didn't learn about the situation until late 2023. There were obviously Twitter freaks going around in videos talking about the situation justifying the doxxing and threats by saying "well, he played Hogwarts Legacy." My brother in christ, he's allowed to enjoy the world of Harry Potter while not liking J.K. Rowling
@@cosmicspacething3474 Don't know if you'd personally consider it "decent", but frankly the fact of the matter is that while JoCat _did_ justify and deflect from the harassment against Pikamee, it in under no circumstances justified his own harassment and doxxing. Some people like to try and pin blame on people who brought that point up, but it was almost always brought up with condemning the attackers' actions inherent to it.
@@Turahk You don't need to double-check something if you don't engage with that information any further and stay unbiased anyway. Just don't start blindly believing what other people say. It's quite obvious what I was trying to say.
The scaramouche drama was so much bullshit. To get upset over a fictional character, i will never understand what the fuck goes through peoples mind over shit like that.
I feel like this may be the best video I've seen at expressing why the internet tends to give me anxiety nowadays. Like, I feel like I'm constantly in a state of wondering whether any random thing I say or do will be used as "proof" that I do or believe things I actually find quite horrible and because of that I feel more closed off and paranoid than I used to. Autism and Anxiety really ain't doin me any favors in this world. Also thank you for taking the time to say that not everyone in a fandom is toxic. I've seen a lot of people say stuff like "well this person likes this thing, so they must be an asshole", which ironically contributes to the problems I have with the internet.
i srsly agree with nd relate to you i kinda have a similar situation: i keep having this constant paranoia of someone just randomly finding something stupid i said back in 2018 and just make that "evidence" to why im a bad person or some shit i keep trying to remind myself that the past is past and i've changed since then but i still feel so scared. digital footprint has scarred me
That's why I deleted my Twitter, Reddit account, and Facebook account. And the reason why I prefer talking to people physically. Texting gives poor understanding to humans because Humans ARENT designed, for that....
I feel you, i feel like im paranoid in real life, and on here.. in real life i constantly was overthinking everything i said because i knew my classmates hated me and didnt liem me for no reason, always annoying me. On the internet im also cautious because ive had to deal with shit before, and i still deal shit today (there is another comment i made which is tldr some adult accused me of being something horrible because of something i liked in a game, that horrible thing being a predator when i am a literal kid) it feels like you arent free anymore, and everyone usually wants to hurt you. Hope seems so hard to maintain, and you become very cynical, but im trying my best to keep on going, as i cant let any of the bad things ive seen and been in slide.
i agree with you and i also have autism so i rarely said or post anything and first time i try to post something i got hated on and this one person try to look every little bit nooks and crannies like this for a example "you said i not we so that mean you not team player" that not what he said but he try to find even small details serve no purpose and still mean same thing but he turn it into i a bad guy and other people start asking me what my username is so they can avoid me in game like bruh ( the post i make is i accident pick up my teammate weapons and he kill me to get it for no reasons just ask me to drop it and at the end i accident kill him and i got kick out of the game) i said in the post i accident kill him but people still think i a bad guy and want to avoid me, anyone make mistake so really annoyed and mad at this like come on i met some one have over 200 team kills but he a great team mate and he did make some mistake but not the ones get mad over it and rage at. i happy someone made this video and i understand why you dont want to say or post anything, i also really paranoid and almost all the time
I miss my 2008 Internet, if you remembered 3 simple ruls: 1) everyone's a jackass 2) they're most likely trolling so don't take anything seriously and 3) this is not real life - you could have a lot of fun with it.
Heya, im an NSFW artist online so i can definitely attest to how absolutely mentally ill some people can be when approaching things i do online. If theres a few things ive realised along the lines of my work is that you should never be online if youre emotionally unstable AND that you learn to understand that what people are like online is A VERY black-and-white perception of what a person really is. The whole issue i feel people online have is how absolutely entitled they feel to many things which gives them this influence they think they have when there is none. People have gotten so comfortable assuming things about others and BELIEVING A NARRATIVE in their head that has no merit to it and blatantly post shit about it because they're not emotionally mature enough to process and validate their own logic. The fact that some people they dont like exists is enough to send them into a fit is concerning but of course you cant speak out about this because to remind people of inadequacy is to be marked with death online. Ngl im gonna have to disagree with the Bridget section mostly because of how you brought up ONE side of the situation when both sides were absolutely awful. My name gives it away im absolutely biased but i never hated the change, i disagreed with it because if youve played the games bridget has never once portrayed insecurity about their gender so the change was giving the takeaway that being fickle and giving into impulsive thoughts are good and i voiced my opinion and promptly had my existence invalidated by people who claim to be inclusive and progressive. I was called a sex joke, a fetish and phobic FOR DISAGREEING with change that made no sense (also it was very obvious that daisuke is pretty much spineless and definitely milked the fuck out of the situation. Bridgets dlc is priced higher than the rest of the cast on the psn store and was used in every damned piece of promotional material.) the "RIGHT" side here id argue has been more toxic and hateful then the "WRONG" Side. Of course.. Being transphobic aint cool and people definitely used this as an excuse to be just that. At the end of the day people will treat the life of this fictional character with much more value than my own simply because it lines up with their agendas and if you dare speak out you are to be burned at the stake. And this is one out of HUNDREDS of incidents. I have been called slurs and buzzwords aplenty just for drawing smut and have been threatened with death by people who deem to be GOOD. a character that was absolutely vital to my growth as a person being turned into a zone to be captured by mentally ill people in both sides of the situation. Hell at least the only thing the side that disagreed with is make up some really lame bs about mistranslations. The ones that loved the change have been some of the most vile behaviours ive seen come out of a person, the death threats, the rudeness the way they wave this damned character on a stick because theyre worth more points then actual well written trans characters in video games. All for what? Validation? Reassurance? But let that sink in. People have become so comfortable in just deciding what you are without YOUR INPUT. People dont want to fix things and be good. They want to push you into a corner and bully the fuck out of you because you arent allowed to exist outside their worldview. When literally all that i am is someone that likes drawing. Life hard but Tiddy is soft. Theres no ulterior motive, theres no deeper meaning. But these people reached, grabbed onto the most plausible branch and without even thinking, stabbed it into my eye. Fuck. The Internet. On. GOD.
Yep, its why i never want to really comment/reply on anything. Seeing the type of things people say or how they react to certain stuff really makes me confused. People get **EXTREMELY** pressed over the smallest details and they will continue to be assholes about it because there is a group of people that also agree with them. And when I do decide to comment, with the amount of shit ive seen people say, i really have to be careful not to accidentally piss anyone off. Its like walking through an active landmine field and sometimes its best not to engage in anything at all
but of course , scyopaths and bad people exist , so them having renewable anonnymous access to interacting with others is easy venturing for them , but it was realtively niece circomstances where this existed as another comment here mentioned "@demilung 2 months ago I miss my 2008 Internet, if you remembered 3 simple ruls: 1) everyone's a jackass 2) they're most likely trolling so don't take anything seriously and 3) this is not real life - you could have a lot of fun with it." a higher % of users were more internet literate and discussing ideology was much more cringe back then , but enter the rise of the culturally marxist indoctrinated current social justice warrior youth generation in 2014 and that's where the gates of hell were allowed to open those of us in the skeptic community tried to warn people back then , but were not given enough attention and not taking as seriously as they should , and now look at what they have normalized on the internet no one even talks about trolls anymore , it's all whatever the anti-cathedralite buzzword of the day is now back then organized internet raid campaigns were a thing relegated only to the userbase of 4chan and it was usually just to shitpost irl , or go after people who have actually killed humans or other animals and don't even get me started on the noralization of censorship , i'll be lucky and thankful if this post of my isn't auto-deleted....
@@iamLI3You shouldn't blame all problems on a group or assume things about that group "Marxist, indoctrinated, etc." If we do that we just end up in the exact same situation of harassment and dog piling people with differing opinions just with groups in different positions.
the vellmori situation sucks but theres one shining light in the end - shes been posting art on her instagram and has opened up a patreon where she takes commissions, which is refreshing to see she didnt just vanish off the face of the internet because of what happened
As mike tyson once famously said: people dont get punched in the face anymore for saying stupid shit. The internet dials that up to 11. A 6 yo can tell you to hang yourself even if you were a literal hells angels member 💀
It's unfortunate that this is now the modern internet that we have to deal with. People freaking out over the most nonchalant things. People getting wronged and hated over the smallest things. I can't really describe it without sounding like an idiot but i wish people were less sensitive over some topics that brings little to no harm for people other than your own belief that it is a bad thing when it never was. I wish one day we can just chill out for once and not overreact every single day. But that's a tall order especially for most people nowadays.
People always mock anyone who says "people are too sensitive now", but just clowning on that argument doesn't nullify it, it's just being dismissive cause you don't like that it applies to you. People ARE too sensitive and reactive now. You think Kwite or Jenna Marbles got chased offline cause people nowadays have thick skin?
I blame the tumblr exodus. Tumblr was the origin point for all this type of behavior, popularizing it and allowing to run rampant for years is what lead to the state we are in. This type of stuff used to only be contained in that place. but it has unfortunately taken control of the internet.
I know this kinda irrelevant, but I meant some different youtuber not Kwite, I meant the "I like girls" one. Just felt like I needed to amend that for clarity's sake.
@@Jordanisgreat505-ni7ro I don't understand how it got so rampant. When it was contained on tumblr, we here on youtube made fun of it. Now it's the dominant mentality here. It's insane.
I still remember back when the internet used to be a simpler place. It was all about flash games, memes and cats, and social media was used for little more than posting emo rants or dumb pictures of yourself and your pets. Now it's just a miserable place full of miserable assholes who HATE the idea of anyone else being happy or positive even for a second. Social media sites are basically just blood sport arenas and civil wars full of sociopaths, pedophiles and all sorts of crazies. The internet used to be fun, now it's just miserable
The funny thing about the JoCat situation is, its based on an already existing song, just with the genders swapped. I remember seeing a shit load of memes with it, and noone ever got hate for it, as far as i know.
Dude simped hard for the LGBT community and so they decided to dox him when they found out he was straight. I don't really want to victim blame especially when the community is vile, but he was warned much earlier.
as someone who only watched tsunul's pm videos, he spends spend 30% of the time insulting don, 20% simping for faust and 50% simping for sinclair, it doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that our boy ain't straight
Another thing people forget a lot nowa days is that two people can be wrong. It’s something that no one seems to remember that just cause one person is wrong doesn’t mean who they are arguing with is right.
The steven universe artist thing is insane because like, people draw women with bigger chests or chubbier stomachs than normal. Drawing characters with alternate body types is CONSTANT
Thing is, I don’t think that the crowd that went after Zamii for making that drawing cares about real context or even constructive criticism. It tends to get ignored and substituted in favour of what it gets in the way of: target practice. The artist and her work simply happened to be in reach. Not knowing when some internet strangers might pull stunts like this just because some of them feel like it while the rest simply follow a mop menth aa lityy is royally messy.
@templebeast1324 I feel many of them got pissed for not including trans rep in there, even when he said he supports them and think there awesome. I guess no one is allowed to be creative and show to the world. I already get pissed on the protesters ruining painting in museum because that will totally help with the global warming.
Honestly a really great video on controversies and the butterfly effect of how some discontent among communities can cause a ridiculous amount of outrage. Looking at you, Limbus Summer situation. Its a shame that in the end of the day it was completely useless and that people still wage online conflicts over something that has ended over almost a year ago. Goes to show how deplorable some people can be even if you think highly of the community as people will latch onto anything to prove a point on the internet that has no merit at all and only serves to harm the community and the people they love(d). Overall excellent summary of the Vellmori situation, i'll probably be redirecting my video on the situation that's months old to this one to avoid further confusion. Glad to have been able to help with my snippets of info considering I never mustered up the energy to make a part 2, cause man it was so mentally draining at the time
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 the greatest loser was Vellmori, deprived of a job she wanted and looking at her art at the time, it was probably her best and equally as stressful peak in life. The one wronged so much over something so pointless and nothing to show for it
You also do a great somewhat journalist job to try to summarise the "what is going on" through a lot of misinformation around, even if you don't remember, I give the some summary from Russian news fan group, about when this storm is about to happen.
Finally someone talked about this issues thank you. I want to add another topic to this list of horrible situations. Brad Taste In Music, a music review youtuber, very recently got a unjustified copyright strike that removes all of his monetization. And his whole livelihood is from youtube. He posted a video about this issue and got very emotional in the video. In the comments section of that video Melanie Martinez fans are making fun of him and saying things like "Thats what you get for badmouthing melanie" or "womp womp" and similar things only because he criticized her in the past. A person just lost their entire livelihood and people are mocking them only because they criticized their favorite artist.
If I’m being honest, sometimes I feel just tired of all the controversies and I just wanna hug people. I felt horrible for Dino Dave after everything he got, despite not agreeing with almost everything he said in his infamous review video, I felt my heart sink seeing the whole vellmori situation unfold. I also had no idea of extent to which you got harassement from the community for such small things. I just… wanna hug every single one of you. As childish as it may sound. I am a grown ass man now with a car to pay and a full-time job to get soon after I end my four-year college degree, yet I feel saddened by people of all ages fighting for meaningless “victories”. Before I end this goalless text drawn by my still beating child’s heart, I want to say that I feel happy that despite all of the negativity, we can still be positive among each other in return. In a world where I, as a new young adult with still much promise, see people fight and tear each other’s throats, seeing genuinely good people uphold messages of kindness and sincerity, truly, helps me realize that despite the depression that follows me still, I can keep going for myself and those around me. Isn’t those kind of stories the reason why many of us love the stories that project moon give us? Saying what flows freely to my mind, for once not veiled by me and my younger peers’s cynical view of the world is immensely more valuable and liberating than any arguing has ever done to me. This comment had no real purpose but to express my unfiltered (and very disorganized thoughts brought upon by a serious case of my adhd) gratitude for people like you, and bravo for this great video.
Honestly having a proper after action report of the whole Vellmori thing is good to have. I had no idea just how much mistranslation there was - I'd figured there were at least a few third parties translating it faithfully, but if they were they were being drowned out.
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j I also remember people responsible of the situation also doing the exact same thing, trying to pen Vellmori as a pedophile and the like, and talking about it in their forums, coming up with more buzzwords to spin her as a villain.
Tsunul 9 months ago, reviewing swimsuit sinclair: "I'm not gay, but..." Tsunul now: "So maybe I'm a lil gay..." (In case it wasn't clear I think this is a wonderful development it is my favorite)
I suppose it's less "i like this character don't shit on it" and more "I like this, you saying the thing I like is shit is like saying I'm shit" and from there it's seen as "survival". The problem is also that some are psychopaths because as I've felt bad hearing people say that things I love are shit and people that love that are shit too my first instinct isn't to doxx, harass or threaten them
Genuinely, the Vellmori situation is really depressing given how it was blown out of proportion from just misinformation alone started by a campaign of people who had nothing else to do but to complain something that was ultimately a non-issue (And seriously, who the fuck would wear a swimsuit in a fucking garbage DUMP? Seriously, they must've had illiteracy to the extreme, truly.) Sure, Ishmael did at the time get a lot of identities at the time, and as a day one player I can totally understand the frustration at the time, but for these idiots to be literally sifting through Vellmori's stuff is just creepy as hell and physically threatening Project Moon's workers, was just insane. Could Project Moon have more clear with their statements? Definitely. Was all of this drama necessary? Hell no.
I will say I do think PM could have at least done a better job making preparations and protections (even if it’s limited) for their employees. But they could have handled the entire situation a lot better.
@@2265Hello Yea, but that was frankly a result of them being a indie studio who had not quite adjusted to the growth of their games. Like Tsunul said Limbus was almost 5 times as popular that is hard to adjust your behaviour and make preperations for
PM couldn't have have more clear with their statements because VM herself literally requested them to lie about what happened in hopes that it'll cause less harassment.
The worst part of online toxicity. Is when you stand against them... it's to stoop down to their level. It's easy to BECOME toxic online. I have had a realization of it sort of. And your perfect ~hot voice~ keeping it cool while telling people to go out.. get help.. instead of threatening them back. Really makes me wanna be better about holding my self back better and not stoop down to the toxicity more often than i am ashamed to accept i have stooped to.
That's why I always say that we are having a crisis in humanity, in which we are increasingly unlearning how to be kind. And when I say "kind", I'm not saying to us be all pathologically affectionate to the point of throwing away our self-respect. What I want to say is that we should at least take a deep breath and not wait for everyone to threaten you and cause you endless pain. I know: human beings can be difficult creatures to deal with. They can exhaust your patience and even insult you. What I advocate is that we at least think twice before adopting this "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality by default when someone talks to you... And above all, know how to recognize when you have a short temper and try to aks for help if this behaiviour is so frequent that's crippling. It's hard for our ego to accept that you may have problems that make you unpleasant, but self-awareness should be vital for all of us.
Not really surprising. If you have a group of thousands of people, you're bound to have some unhinged individuals. Now add to this internet echo chambers and how people are likely to only see the most extreme examples from their opposition. Oh yeah and let's not forget facebook finding that outrage is a reliable way to keep people on their site. Thus tweaking their algorithm to supply more and more outrage.
After Limbus swimsuit incident I understood that just gacha community in general has the most unhinged fanbase. Not saying that they all like that, but, I would argue that precentage of degenerates in gacha community is above all other gaming communities.
Btw, I would recommend to watch video about this topic from "Moon channel" he actually explains why people (at least in Corea) care so much about some pixels in gacha games.
@@phuhuhuhu8090 He just explains why Feminism in Corea is what it is. Still could recomend to watch it, since it give a ground for Corean side of Velmori situation
Any interaction with a Hoyo community is asking for death threats. Near Genshin launch I remember complimenting an artist on their "rare pair" that I'd never seen before because I noticed they weren't really getting many positive comments. I didn't even comment on the pairing itself, but only encouraged the artist. I still got some quite surprising comments myself about how I shouldn't spread positivity about a non-canon pairing and the official pairing for one of the characters was F/F (its only official in fandom. Then they got even more negative, but I'll let you guess what happened. I just stopped commenting on Hoyo stuff after that.
Normally I would think of a witty remark, or something to joke about but man.. This is a message that so many people need to see, I really appreciate your calm and positive demeanor. I wish you the best, and I look foward to the new content you will make. You’ve brightened my view on humanity knowing that someone shares the same live and let live that I try so desperately to hold onto in this (for lack of better words) shitstorm. Thank you.
The internet is a place for memes, now we made it political. TOO political, not saying political isn't bad but it was fine with a lil bit of it here and there.
it's honestly sickening how a skin for a character and another character *LITERALLY HOLDING A FCUKING AMPULE THE "WRONG WAY"* has almost escalated into a full-on RIOT
Ah yep, this video is indeed gonna be a fun one But in all seriousness this is does need to be talked about cause man is it depressing to see the internet to be the way that it is
I was born in 2006 so I didn't get to experience the true "old" internet that much, but even back in ~2016 the internet was so much better. Yes there was a lot of drama but it never got anywhere near the level of today. There's also the fact that the internet has been replacing the real world more and more, and I think it started around 2016 too, people were just having fun online before, and now everything is a mine field...
It's always been this sort of bad, it's just that the internet is more mainstream so more people are using it and all the stuff is just happening at a larger scale. I still remember when a guy worked at like the maternity ward of a hospital and he posted pictures of the babies and people told him to put them on their heads and watch them fall over and other weird cruel positions. People on the internet have always been crazy especially when you give them the chance to be.
As someone from 1996, the main difference I see is that, back then, you could differentiate trolls from people who actually meant what they said. There was actually room for civil conversations so much that forums were enjoyable to chat for an hour or two. Now, there is no common sense on what's acceptable, people have become unstable and incapable of tolerance. The narcissism is at an all time high and everyone believes themselves justified to be aggressive. Harsh topics were easy to avoid, now everyone wants to know your opinion on x and y before judging you... I've stressed out over such petty things because I'm way too sensitive over language that reaches an unacceptable level of distasteful disrespect or foolish behavior.... In the end, I just accepted being a hermit and try to avoid commenting anywhere...
I'm so glad that I joined Tumblr after all the insane people moved to twitter because now it's just people either shitposting or showing cool art they made without any discourse in the comments/reposts
@@interlapsedat the cost of these type of people back in 2014 to migrate literally throughout all parts of the internet and making it the shithole it is.
@@interlapsedtbh idk.. it seems like another option to post art in.. but im kinda scared to go there because of the drama and stuff like the example in the video makes me scared.
@@kqlolll2618 most of those people have moved onto twitter, granted there are still a few left but they are few and far between. I would give posting there a try, most of the time people don't really comment anything and just reblog ur art because they like it :), or that's how it is for me anyways.
cookie run and object shows scare me tbh, the fandoms there are absolutely rabid from what ive sawn.. Why? Because i swear most of these people are kids
I’ve had my run ins with some fans, and the toxicity ended up rubbing onto my own stupid ass. Did a whole lot of braindead shit that I definitely regret…
The saying is: Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
People often associate the word "dystopia" with some higher power stomping on the common folk by making life absolutely miserable. It's steadily becoming one of those words that are often missused. In some cases, people even consider having to go to a low-paying 9-5 shift at Walmart to be "dystopian". Don't get me wrong, I can see how miserable it is to work so hard and be paid so little, I just think that that situation doesn't do the word "dystopia" justice. Now, the constant fear from knowing that at any moment, a faceless mob of strangers can ruin your life over something insiginificant you did or said AND never be held accountable for it? THAT'S a dystopia. And the worst part is, it's not some shadow government nor a mega-corporate entity, it's just a mob of people who have to much time on their hands. Basically what I'm saying is, it's truly horrific how extreme and radicalized people can get when they feel like their actions have no consequences.
The same conditions that force people to have to go to low-paying 9-5 shifts are the very same conditions that give rise to the aforementioned faceless, unaccountable mobs. It's just another consequence of the fundamental flaws at the very roots of how our society and culture are structured.
@@cosmicspacething3474 If someone leaves a kitchen knife on the counter and I decide to use it to threaten someone, is the owner of the knife to blame? Or am I to blame for deliberately using someone else's tool as an accessory to my own, conscious act of malice? I think the mob is still the main offender here by virtue of being the active aggressor and should be treated as such. The absence of rules is a glaring problem, yes, but the mob was the one who decided to violate common decency to spark the flames.
“Ya boy is bisexual.” Ya boy is as straight as y=x^3… We could tell, Tsunul. No one is as big as a fan of Hong Lu and Sinclair without being at least a little fruity.
I am a gay dude and I can't consider myself a fan of Hong Lu and Sinclair, but if it helped Tsunul deliver his message, I'm glad. I have bi friends who are on the Hong Lu and Sinclair train as well.
I mean, it's quite a common joke in the community that most PM players are bisexual. I for one am a major Ishmael and Sinclair simp. If anything, it would be more surprising if tsunul came out as straight lmao
idk why but i feel like i really needed this video. world's growing more and more extreme, its quite the depressing sight. but the final note really touched my heart. I think I will try a little harder tomorrow. thanks man
The Jocat situation really annoys me. I wasn't a fan of his content but my friend was and I watched a few videos. The video about girls was genuinely extremely wholesome and at best you can say it's "Cringe" however the fact he got doxxed and harasseed for it was genuinely so horrible it and cases like Valmori, Critical and others genuinely annoys me. Imagine being a adult and being tricked so easily. It's the same story every time. Something small blown out of proportion and then people lie or twist the narrative to make it worse. This video is very well done and perfectly explores how actually easy it is to lie on the internet and get away with it. It's like that scene in dilbert. Only that was a cartoon dog. Not real life people. Edit: fixed a couple typos
The worst part is that the original song was the same stuff, but a girl saying that for boys she liked. And as homophobic as it may sound, if a girl did the same song Jo Cat did, the hate would come only from the side everyone expects it to come.
I really like how you handled the Vellmori situation, and the massive bundle of missinfo mixed with with half truths mixed with bold faced lies made it a nightmare vortex to figure out a semi coherent timeline of events..
To be honest the BA community concerns are justified, imagine being constantly held up to scrutiny by Twitter where "Oh, your favorite game is a lolicon student-teacher fantasy simulator, you are a pedo, check him PC" but then all of a sudden those mindless drones see a video, enter the community and are like "Wow cool stuff, however we don't like a number of thing this we need to change those things", the change things already happened in the form of changed dialogues for characters, aka the inhabitants of the "Land of freedom" are concerned about freedom only when their incorruptibly high, unshakable and absolute morals standards are respected, otherwise you have to adapt to them and their ideology. So yes, hate me all you want, gatekeeping where you keep away people who are not interested in the community or hobby in the first place(the gatekeep where you keep people away because they aren't OG enough needs to disappear) is, sometimes, necessary, and the Twitter swarm justifies it more often than not. In this specific case Max0r community can and most surely will be accepted, this is more of an explanation why people are so against promoving their nieche community to big channels.
@ryominto If I recall correctly, Cassie tweeted about her being in the Tgs for limbus and a random dude calling her out for "being in the side with PJM." A little while late she called him out ( There was a mini drama of people calling her the worst and after that she just comtinued with her life, it wasn't something super big but seeing that Mili continued working with pm cleared all my doubts
@@YukoHayase-sr8cb god, I really knew nothing about the scale of this conflict. When it's all occurred, I wasn't even paying attention like "again some twitter/asian stuff, PM will be good, nothing too serious, continue playing", and this video made me shocked, to say the least
Cassie wei is such a baller. She said Kim made a mistake and said she wasn't going to betray her lifetime friend and colleague. People who hate her can only dream of having a friend like her.
Its been said before, but people have gotten too comfortable with saying offensive or insulting remarks on the internet without the fear of getting decked in the face. Most of the things I see people spout on Twitter just for shits and giggles is so downright insulting and embarrassing that I would want avoid being seen in public if I ever said these things to another human being in person. People have no shame now.
@@mrscruffles801 brother read the room, most of this video is Tsunul listing how people were either unreasonably sending death or trying to push others to suicide over minor opinions or not bothering to look up facts.
Empathy has been forgotten for too long We and everyone needs to do something tbh, we cant just continue to look at this all the time, we have to take action to actually make a better place
I consider 99% of internet commenters to be bots. It's not an unlikely theory given the comments I've seen. Even if they're not bots, they're not real people either.
as someone who grew up with internet, I hate internet culture, especially fandoms. I am so disappointed that so many people become the worst version of themselves over completely irrelevant stuff because of the way the internet have been for the past decade or two thank you for this video I genually hope that it'll help some people
I blame the tumblr exodus for it. Tumblr culture being mainstream on the internet has ruined it. I hate how popular fandom culture has gotten because it has normalized this type of culture. Its really bad in the fnaf community. its why so much drama happens. When you mix ideology, degeneracy and mental illness into one batch this is what you get.
Good thing I grew up with the internet, this hasn’t even happened before and then here we are in this situation. People are dumb in a way without common sense is makes me sad
Honestly Tsunul hit the nail on the head, the internet (through the power of anonymity) has become an echo chamber of hate (mostly social media) which is honestly quite sad, if only the internet could just go back to being a chill relax place again without people riling each other up for funsies because they get a kick out of it
The Jocat one is especially egregious, when you consider they got mad at him for essentially one line '...and the shortstacks' Which pertain to shorter(often with dwarfism) adult women. Meanwhile, Lizzo, The creator of the 'I like boys' song Jocat was parodying, says 'itty bitty boys' in the song and apparently everyones fine with THAT but god forbid Jocat try to go with shortstacks.
To be fair I can understand the reluctance towards the new version of Bridget. I saw it unfold when it happened. Bridget wasn't new and had an established identity. Suddely there were contradicting information and things didn't make sense. In this case it's just a video game. I saw during the beginning of the pandemic in germany how contradicting informaiton can lead to a lot of confusion and chaos. While I don't condone the hate and violence, even if it's from the creator you should be able to say it's dumb idea regardless from modern politics.
The issue isn't that people were sating "it's a dumb idea" but that they tried to deny Bridget being trans altogether. Also, no, it makes sense. It's... hard to explain, but... transgender people themselves say that it makes sense. And they probably know better about the whole thing than people that AREN'T trans
This is genuinely such a good video, and I hope a lot more people get to see it. It's so easy to forget that the most toxic parts of the internet are really small and you did a good job at getting that through. It's nice to hear somebody talk about things rationally when so much of the things people say online is overly eccentric just because that's just... the internet now. But I really appreciate this video.
You're Content's are Great Tsunul, Sorry That some Fandom's are Starting to get On Your Nerves, Thanks for Sharing your Thoughts on the More Loud-side of Project Moon Fan's.
I hope it does get shut down, slowly so that people can find more better ways to stay connected with friends and clean up the internet. Which in turn will help society get better. Hopefully but it's hard to have faith now.
@@shcdemolisher I hope we just don't get information, like information just doesn't spread, like people will have their own small bubbles of knowledge and can live in peace with it, and like hopefully everyone is open enough to new knowledge where when they find different groups of people with different knowledge they try to learn from it instead of barbarically destroying it. The rapid spread of knowledge has just made people act rabid :3
I'm glad to find someone who can share the worldview of "You can do whatever as long as you're not hurting anyone else." If everyone thought that way, the amount of stupid conflicts that would be avoided is incredible. My experience with the PM fandom has been mixed. A while back i would've said i would just continue to enjoy the content on my own. But recently i met a little group that did me a lot of good creatively, i started writing, making artistic stuff. And all because we enjoy something that is great. All fandoms are complicated, we can only hope and cling to the good parts of it all.
That's the thing I always wonder about. Because I ain't using my precious lunch break or my free time after work to argue with people online, or stalk, or join a harassment campaign. Who are these people with so much free time?!?
oh boy, and you dident even get to what shitstorm big companies are doing these days: escape from tarkov self destructed itself, its game, and its community in an attempt to get greedy Sony tried to one up this by killing helldivers 2 with a required PSN account linking, and thus the community united and kicked their shit in enough to revert it then XBOX said "check this out" and killed several smaller companies under its wing, including the studios that made GOOD games, like the company that made hi-fi rush, and evil within 1/2, the redfall company deserved it, but most of the others did not
@@Tsunul yeah.., its just overall, the internet itself is falling apart, It has always, ALWAYS, been stated that humanities downfall will be its own stupidity, and we are yet to be proven wrong
@@NoMoreBots look it up, so many are so mad at XBOX as it begins to self destruct, getting rid of several companies under its wing due to "budget cuts"
You glossed over the Bridget thing so badly and ended with the opposition being transphobic. Let me correct you. Bridget was among the first Otokonoko characters, characters who were very feminine and yet male. There was already discourse from transfolk that Bridget and any Otokonoko character was trans, which pissed off fans of Otokonoko because Bridget was *THE* otokonoko character, and they were already trying to claim tomboy and tomgirl characters (those particular traits and quirks in the west are now extinct) so there was existing tension. Bridget was also developed in a way where his primary goal in the story was to assert his masculinity, he wanted to prove that he was a man. This was his character since his inception and the way he was developed on...until Strive. That he became a woman was not only a severe retcon to his original goal, and not only a huge step in the erasure of the tomboy/tomgirl/femboy identity...but there exists the implication that he was basically groomed into becoming trans which is a VERY real concern that people have with trans and children. Let alone a Japanese developer kneeling to Western Headcanon (formerly), which is also problematic in and of itself, Bridget's appeal was in his otokonokoness and making him trans was going to kill that. And if I need to highlight it, a feminine looking boy and a trans person are not the same so saying "they're the same thing" is reductive. I doubt he's going to be a requested character in the future because of this.
Cope, seeth and mald transphobe, if you at all cared for Bridget and respected her, or trans people in general for that matter, you would use the correct pronouns, which you do not, while still being able to criticize her direction in this game (Didn't read what you said, as if you're intentionally misgendering then there very likely won't be any substance to your statement).
@@zugetzuzu He's not transphobic you clown. Do you trans people honestly think that dressing like a girl defaults you to being trans? The Otokonoko culture is it's own thing, crossdressing is it's own thing, There's newhalf and Okama. All these words you don't even know the meaning of. No, your brain instantly jumps to using buzzwords. Everything he said was constructive and TRUE. There wasn't a single hateful thing in his post. You are choosing to be willingly ignorant just to push your political beliefs and it's disgusting. Educate yourself before you harrass people online for being SMARTER than you. Aboslutely ridiculous.
@@zugetzuzu If you cared about trans people at all, you be demanding better representation for them, not the character assassination and erasure of THE Femboy character for the sake of pandering. There's no reason Daisuke couldn't have made an original character like he did with Nago if he wanted a trans rep so badly, and no one should be praising him for not doing so, choosing instead to turn Bridget into a grooming victim.
Honestly him essentially being the victim of grooming and that being seen as positive is what was most disturbing. No one who supported it had a problem with him essentially being a victim since it supported thier views which is more concerning than anything. The fact that this video ignored that to only proves that furthermore.
Wow you will really go to the ends of the earth before letting trans people exist. The opposition is transphobic, so are you, and you will find out if you keep fucking around like this. Bridget is a woman and always will be, just like me. Your tears only make my estrogen stronger.
"How can you hate me, when you don't even know me?" - Daryl Davis I feel like, if anything, the state of the Internet is reflective of the state of people in general. They're so miserably lonely that they have to cope with virtual stuff, spread their misery through hate and even then it's just for a small moment of glory where they can go to sleep at night without being aware of how their actions hurt others. Like, the real problem is that these people who start all this terrible shit get to sleep at night without the guilt, or compunction of their actions. How can they hate someone when they don't even know them? What colour do they like? What furniture do they prefer? What's their favourite choice of animal, the mainstream cat? The diligent dog? Some off-road choices like otters? Which games stay in their head as the most memorable? They know nothing, and only ever presume everything. That is sad, and really these phirestarters should be punished for it.
I do agree, it is a dark miserable time, and I don't know when it will ever end. I hope one day it does, and that it will just be history to analyze by future generations far in the future.
Great video, People that treat fictional content as reality are the most insane people and are terminally online. Like you can say you like x character drawing and someone will say that you are the most horrible personne for doing so, it's insane.
That would be like you calling a guy to operate someone with a terminal illness just because they played a doctor in House, Scrubs, or E.R. Guess what will happen to the patient afterwards (spoiler alert: They will DIE).
I think the problem with the Bridget/Strive situation was more so the implications that were made deliberately or by accident. Because Bridgets entire story revolved around them escaping the gender identity forced on them (As they were forced by family and friends to be female or be executed, to put it simply), having them come out as trans felt like the message was "Indoctrinating kids to be trans is a good thing and leads to that child being happy in the end". I know people from all walks of life who are fans of Strive, myself included, and even my gay/trans friends thought that the message Arcsys/Daisuke insinuated by doing this was pretty disgusting. I dont think it was meant maliciously by Arcsys but theres no denying it does leave a pretty bitter taste as it spits on the characters development and implies some pretty messed up things. Another thing to point out is other characters such as Testament were basically made non binary and no one had an issue with this as it didnt interfere with their character or imply anything off. I truly believe that if it had been a new character that happened to be trans and didnt imply what was implied with Bridget, I genuinely dont think anyone would of had an issue at all. If a teenager came out as trans but was told by their parents that they would kill the trans person if they did, only for that trans person to go "You're right! I'm happy with what you tell me my gender is!", the trans community would be up in arms and rightfully so, yet they supported this exact same thing with Bridget.
I have to thank you for this video. The Vellmori situation really did affect me mentally very badly, during the time of the announcement of the korean text i saw it in a friend discord server, i couldnt believe it that a company i loved so much had done such a thing, my literal first reaction to that was "wait did Vellmori quit or something?"then i saw all the massive ammounts of comments and tweets discussing about how she was fired and shit, i didnt choose to believe that simply cause Project moon honestly had changed my entire life and made my carrier and dream of being an artist actually possible and the year i spent drawing bongbong was life changing to me. During the drama i remained skeptical about if everything going on was actually true or not, choosing to remain possitive of Project moon somehow managing to do the right thing. During that time it was so painful to remain hopeful, to still having trust that Project moon would not fuck it up, it was so painful seeing friends and artists i looked upon just quit drawing project moon, it was so despairing seeing friends go from chatting with them about the project moon universe happily and chill to constant very long arguing over me still enjoying the game and having to withstand me wanting to still enjoy the game, seeing it constantly critized, constantly mocked and laughed up as if project moon's games where never good dispite the same people having been pm fans before. And after the situation with Vellmori resolved and it was revealed she quitted? i had to fucking face that according to some people even those i respected they didnt believe she quitted but rather "project moon forced her to quit to save their public image"(which if that had been the case that would have been the first ever response by pm and not one that came literal months later and leaked by the User association and not project moon themselfs), twisting the narrative to its last extents so to excuse still hating on project moon. To this day this is the case of refusing to trust any official statements or anything at all, and im honestly clueless on how to feel if angry for their dismissive attitude or worried and try better at helping them see the missinformation. Now another thing i wanted to comment that i feel too is very fitting for this video is the Mili/Casey situation with Project moon, the lead guitarrist that plays for Mili made some vague tweets in the same day the controversy happened about how "people shouldnt jump to conclusions so soon", so basically a very vague series of tweets that hinted at defending project moon, well people rapidly either dismissed it as untrue or that somehow the guitarist was a bad person and a missfit in Mili's band. Then when Casey herself defended project moon she got massively harrassed and dubbed as a Misoginist and a bad pro-capitalist corporation defender that hates individual workers, Im not fucking kidding, dispite most of Casey's songs being quite against corporations or employee abuse. When that wasnt enough they just resorted to dig into her past to find a valid reason to dismiss her positive opinion on pm and hate her and that there was no way Project moon could have been a good company ever(dispite the fact that Mili made an entire song as a love letter for pm for how much they enjoyed working with them). And had to see people who had loved Mili's songs for years just go from one day to another call her and the band as horrible shitty people. As a final words on this comment, i have to thank you for this video as this topic was one that was haunting me and one i even was considering making a video myself about it too since i was so tired of seeing the missinformation about Vellmori and Project moon still go around. (also sorry for the wall of text comment.)
Not the first day tbh Scaramouche is like one of my favourite characters (even have a plush irl of him), I always just find the voicelines funny, the scaracat situation is just ridiculous to say the least The fact that so many people can't separate fiction and reality is so dangerous, could and already did harm real people and in this case, an innocent cat
The Bridget shit just made me uncomfortable because it felt like they'd been forced into being trans and as a trans woman that just feels like shitty representation, and the fact the community just gobbled it up shows how low the standards are and any criticism is just brushed off with "NOOO UR HECKIN TRANSPHOBIC" I love how we can have free and open conversations here on the internet, very cool
The thing is, having a "respectable" and "mannered" debate or even a conversation is hard to do when slurs, insults, and hate are thrown the moment it started. And internet being essentially anonymous and a wildland just eventually lead to the inevitable outcome.
The whole thing turned me off of ever liking the character ever again. Not because their trans because I frankly don’t care much about their gender but the entire community and controversy around the character and how the character has now overshadowed a lot of other characters in the series that I personally enjoy a lot more and is brought up in constant controversy and toxicity.
I personally took it as a whole: No-one would question raising an amab boy as as a boy and an afab girl as a girl, yet the moment you switched that around and the individual is comfortable with it, is it seen as "grooming" or bad. And so, as any further discussion on the topic is going to be controversial to someone, just forget about it and accept it
I personally took it as a whole: No-one would question raising an amab boy as as a boy and an afab girl as a girl, yet the moment you switch that around and the individual is _comfortable_ with it, is it seen as "manipulating/forcing gender upon a child" or bad. And so, as any further discussion on the topic is going to be controversial to someone, just forget about it and accept it
Thank you for actual research. There's a channel called moon channel that did a video on the vellmori topic but kept painting it that she was fired.The video kept implying that she was fired even comparing it to another incident where another korean company released a statement that their employee is leaving because gender stuff but was actually fired. Even though there's proof showing that vellmori left on her own volition
Moon Channel also tried painting the feminist movement in Korea as noble and oppressed, when anybody with knowledge of what's going on would have quickly pointed to Megalian as the first problem with said feminist movement. He also spun his wheels on irrelevant Korean history in that same video...
@@LoliconSamalik Yeah.. even a lot of Korean feminists [me myself too] will admit that radical feminism shot women in the shoot, and it'skind of the major reason why anti-feminism suddenly got so bad when it wasn;t that bad before.
@@LoliconSamalik No? To me the Moon video was decent. I did get lost a few times but from what I remember he tried to reach the origin of it all by taking the perspective of the woman who would feel justified taking a side in the gender war, he did clarify that while Megalia may have started out of women frustrations it has degenerated into misandry. Later, there was also a section taking the perspective of the man who would find comfort in fiction and games, and how the frustration of societal expectations and those radicalized comments of misandry could lead to cases of men demanding a safe space. He reached a different conclusion on Vellmoris's case because of all the similar drama that occurred in Korea over the past few years ig. But to be honest, I can't say I actually understand about those issues and English is not my first language, so I'm sorry I have something wrong.
TBh tsunul a lot of people on the bridged situation hated that shit not cause of what ever hate or phobia, most of the people I met that hated this decision was mostly people that knew the story of Bridget and that there was no indications of Bridget being trans because like the entire story was litteraly about Bridget proving himself as a man in the older games to have the courage to go against the norms of the village and prove them wrong that being a male twin wasn’t unlucky and woudnt bring a disaster to the village, and he was doing fine than suddenly in strive that happened with no story buildup and the whole mess started, people weren’t mad because of what Bridget got changed to but the fact that they took Bridget and throwed Bridget story development in the trash all of a sudden, to a minor extent this included also testament which in the previous game was always refered to as a man in his every apparition and he himself called himself a son of particolarly important character, and now suddenly non binary, people such as myself didn’t like this cause this Felt out of no where and just insulting to the characters story that they had going on ultil than especcialy Bridget and with no built up or hint to it was so ever that’s got me and a lot of people not liking this . The hate cause of trans and other shit was from my experience not that big it was just a small minority and the problem for me was, if u want a trans character why not make a new one? That’s just my take on the issue tbh I find both sides dumb tbh
It was always a trans story. You just never asked anybody who understood the writing. If you talked to any of us it'd all make sense. You can't do that though because you think we're too icky. Too bad so sad.
"Live and let live" has been what I've been living after for years. Doesn't work as good when so many seem to be the complete opposite though. It just kinda baffles me when people are so concerned about what other people do.
We are tribal by nature. The problem is that we let the woke tribe gain power. That is one of several tribes you dont let live. Other tribe caused ww2.
It’s kinda crazy how the least shocking piece of information from the video is Tsunul coming out as bisexual. (congrats though even if we’re not surprised) The entire pm situation was still unclear to me (and thankfully so) so I thought waiting a bit after all the misinformation died down and caught up but I still didn’t know about the definitely not aligned groups trying to slander pm was just so wild to hear about for the first time. Truly a maybe the real internet was the misinformation and drama we had along the way. Peak non-fiction here Tsunul
I always get worried about being cancelled. There are a lot of people who will hate me because of wild things, it has spread, to not just the internet, but the physical world. People will call me "Timmy" for being disabled, they'll call me a manchild because I still play Minecraft. They'll call me gay, for complementing a man for his looks. (I'm Bisexual aswell) Circling back to the state of the internet, There are people who will give fake screenshots of discord DMs, making me look bad. (making me look look like a homophobe, transphobe, P-phile etc.) This video did not help me with my worries, sure, but it is something that needs to be said, by AT LEAST SOMEBODY in this world, thank you❤
Terminally online, mentally ill, no critical thinking skills, easily swayed by the loudest and convenient narrative... I just want to have fun on the internet, man. Is that too much to ask? Apparently, it might be.
1. I love you(Non-para socially) 2. THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THAT DAMN CONTROVERSY!! Having [Moon Channel] being the only video that was up to date on it, was infuriating to say the least, especially with him leaving out some crucial information, and admitting of having twisted the truth in previous videos. And while I would like to have the link to the G.D, I’m guessing you won’t be sharing it until it’s 100% correct, if at all. 3. I just want you know that the majority of PM’s fandom will fight tooth and nail to keep you around, if not for the fact you know a lot of the C.C in the community, then for the entertainment of watching you eat your own words(Like with Fraudgilius). While I won’t be able to watch your streams(time constraints), I know whatever video you put out will be entertaining... ...even if I’m late like this comment, until then, I hope you find what you wish for, see ya!
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*"The greatest thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice. The worst thing about the internet is that everyone has a voice."* - The Click
Yeah, that sounds like something he’d say.
In other words, the internet lowered the skill floor for publicity.
That was also the argument of a greek philosopher (don't remember which one) against democracy. A Reddit mod have a voice worth as much as a hard-working educated person for some reason, and the masses tend to listen to the first one because he is louder.
PS: not saying I'm against democracy btw
I love the click
Looks like authoritarian internet is the only way.
Humanity will never leave tribalism, people love to divide instead of understanding 😓😓😓
Sadly true 😔
This needs to be pinned, because it's the ugly truth
You don't know whether humanity will leave tribalism or not though. No one can predict the future 100% accurately.
Some ideologies and religion are inherently anti- peace. As long as there are people who want to conquer the world, as long as good people refuse to gatekeep and stand up for themselves then there will never be peace.
Nah, we'd win
The Vellmori situation is sad
If she had stayed, There is a real possibility of someone doing something stupid
So there was no choice but to leave. She was pretty much harrased off the company
Because people saw something without doing research themself
Actually a few topics on this video boils down to this
"I read someone saying something so it must be true, No I will not do my own research to see if he is right I will believe at face value"
im surprised you didnt bring up one piece. i heard that fandom went crazy when the creator said a non-trans character was not trans.
it is very strange to hear about all these stories of disagreements, harassment and persecution from the height of the Russian community. Whatever happens to the project moon, the entire community will stand up for them and support them in every possible way. and remembering how we discussed the story with vellmori, I could not even think how tragic and serious everything really is. I hope project moon will no longer have to deal with scandals of this magnitude and there will be no misinformation and disagreements in the global community
The Bridget "character development" Comes off as someone who was constantly browbeaten and despite their actual beliefs and wants, gave up. Don't care much about the story of guilty gear in the first place, but from an outside perspective doesn't seem like what most people were touting it as.
"Character development" my ass.
If you don’t care then why care about that one specific thing?
Thank you for informations and explanations you given to these controversial situations, it actually explained quite a lot (and gave a bit more information and a clearer narrative compare to Moon Channel) .
I have a personal opinion towards the Bridget situation, that (is) there are people who don't hate it but feel disappointed because of what was the backstory compare to how Bridget is now. The impression is that it's disappointing to see Bridget decides to be a girl after all those times she tried to prove otherwise, however, the explanation that it is what Bridget chose is fine for me.
Even people who are transgender expressed that, in the end, it's only a bit disappointing because they personally think that the story could have been handled better.
Genesis 6:6 "The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled."
This is now valid
This is the most twitter video ever
It is important to note that Vellmori was accompanied by a labour lawyer when she confronted Project Moon. A labour lawyer can be invaluable in obtaining remedies for illegal termination or termination without notice.
It's pretty interesting that after this confrontation, the PM's attitude towards the notice changed, don't you think?
I thought I was caught up with all the internet drama. How wrong I was when the Limbus situation came up.
Holy moly
the internet, the place where "Ignore stuff you don't like" is literally impossible for some people.
What do you mean by that? Of course u could ignore stuff i don't like and comment i didn't agree with, you're just jealous with other people having fun, it's not like everyone want to end your life or doxx you, zometimesbi istmoa justbnsnsomeb kidna bandte rkozl iwndin dunxne
@@hasanmuttaqin464 what
@@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811here my friend is another example of it lmao
@@kelvinfaza2895 I'm trying to comprehend what Hasan is saying, is it just me who thinks he's speaking gibberish or am i stupid?
@@ryckieknucklesanwiwarrrrhu2811 well...the first part is not gibberish but is out of context. Meanwhile the last part is gibberish AND out of context
The Jocat controversy is straight-up evil for what those people did. He went back on Twitter and started doing art, and yet people still hate him and threaten him. All for basically saying "I love all women."
Its a tragedy
And he was parodying a popular song that was about men in the same way which no one seems to be mad about. They're such hypocrites.
I don't support him because he endorsed the harassment on people for playing a wizard game, but I don't he deserved the hate from that video
@@abyssbloodgazer6801 honestly understandable
@@abyssbloodgazer6801 Didn't he literally play the game, I feel like him endorsing harassment doesn't add up there.
Back then the Internet was a break from reality. Now reality is a break from the Internet.
All this is barely a scab wound tbh.
People back then would post fake tutorials on how to make beautiful home decorations, but ended up being tutorials of making mustard gas. By the time the information got passed that this was dangerous and false information, people had already been injured / killed for making it without any protection gear.
The Internet didn't change, you just became more exposed to the darkness from it.
This is so deep, it needs lifeguard so people don't drown
Reality is where the people who'd dox get reported to the local sheriff. If people acted on the internet like they did in reality no one would be doxxing anybody over stupid stuff.
@@bang1054 people back then did know about all that stuff but it didn't matter. The Internet has swapped places with the real world. That Darkness was always big but now you're forced to dance to it's tunes. In the past you were allowed to move on.
The Internet use to be so free, I miss those days.
Also you know the old saying "people on the internet will treat fictional characters as if they real people and then talk about real people as if they were fictional and then get mad at you for knowing the difference"
That quote is used to defend the sexualization of children lmfao.
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j I'm out of the loop on that one, who used that sentence to do this?
@@user-ky2hg7fg4jOh mah god, I didn't know paintings had ages?
@user-ky2hg7fg4j Guess we know now that you can't separate ficticious concepts from reality
But Mr.Amojusu is real
“The internet has made y’all really comfortable on saying things that you would get you punched for in reality”
Those people who were harassing others in the video thought that.
We need more people like Mike Tyson.
Not like reality is better, people are destroying each other in reality too
So? True freedom is dangerous. ANYONE trying to seriously "police" remove, etc... The internet. Will cause a veteran, to k1ll the internet themselves. (At least in the US, for now). The grid is pathetically weak, and just asking for a coordinated 3mp attack.
Yeah, imagine being able to say what you actually think.
My mom used to always warn me to never interact with random people online, as they could be a degenerate insane weirdo. And upon the day I turned 18 and started actually exploring the internet(I had only used it to watch horror games on TH-cam up until that point), I can safely say...
... She was right all along. I have never felt prouder to be some slightly functional shut-in that very rarely interacts with people, especially those online.
I am a degenerate wierdo so i don't interact with random people because i don't want to expose people who are not to my degenerate wierdness
hey hey, I just don't like interacting with people I have no common interests with :P
as far as real life interactions, they really exhaust me, and I'm a broke gal so youtube and internet is is =D
Agree
Safe to say, you are on a twitter drama video. I think you changed.
yikes no social life, and you like shitting on others? You're better than them for sure but you aren't a shining example of person.
I’m one of those people who doesn’t like penguinz0, but not because of anything he did, his content just doesn’t appeal to me, and I just don’t like how everyone inserts his name into everything like he’s this messianic figure.
To be clear, I don’t hate him, the person. I don’t know him. I don’t want to know him. I just don’t like that everyone wants to hear what he thinks and he’s just… a guy on the internet.
So you know what I do? I just don’t watch his channel. If people talk about him, I skip or tune it out. It’s really not that hard lol imagine doxing someone because you don’t like them
He literally looks like Jesus bro PRAISE THE MESSIAH.
@@someguy-z4p omg people like you are the problem unless this is a joke
I click on "don't recommend this youtube channel" every time his face shows up and with time and patience managed to almoust remove his existence :P
I'm one of those who don't like him because he platformed a massive lie about a creator that led to said creator being harassed and horribly deplatformed on almost every site aside from twitch, and not doing anythin to rectify it. For anyone wondering, check out what happened to Taiga, a vtuber. There are some pretty comprehensive coverage over all of it by people like RoyaltyIsHere.
@@Rodoet001 Ah I just found what you were talking about but uh that was on Nux's video. Moist simply took his word for it when Taiga was next on the tier list and Moist himself didn't make a video on Taiga plus what is there to rectify Nux already made a pinned comment and edited out the section (sure its not the best thing). Anyways in my research, Moist was like "mhmm dam i can't believe that oh well next vtuber."
Man the brain rot is a global epidemic a avengers level treath
I curse the day I opened Instagram. Thought reddit and 4chan were the bottom. 😮
@@Monsterpalathe real bottom of the barrel is Twitter.
And yet the internet had the balls to say skibidi toilet is brainrot
Skibidi toilet is little spec in the endless brainrot if the internet
@@Awesometdsplayer its also the most braindead spec in the endless brainrot of the internet.
@@Monsterpala even 4chan is more calm than Twitter.
Gotta love the limbus company community is praying for Maxor to play limbus because they use limbus music while the blue archive community has a meltdown
we love PM
Well, not everyone in the community. Unfortunately there are a lot of gatekeepers...praying that max ignores these people lol
hopefully he doesnt, what he did to the MGRR community, it makes me irrationally upset.
He might as well, can't be worse than the roblox kids
@@ninguem8872I meaaaaaan... Gate keeping isn't that bad?
Like, as PM community is now, it's prefect, like legit my favorite fandom, ever (love you all
I remember getting hated and called a literal psychopath for simply enjoying the undertale genocide route they said some shit like the game was a personality test and I'm a psychopath and should get help simply because of liking the genocide route in undertale
Same. I liked tanks, and when i was young, ive been called and indoctrinated to believe that i am a [german ww2 soldier]. It became my persona up until i learn what it is years later (i live in asia, we were never taught of ww2 as much)
Bruh dude i was in a toblox game once and i was talking about this anime, not even wierd in the slightest but instead a very good one with a very good story, and one dude looked it up and immediately started calling the charachters l@lis because they were literal middle schoolers, and started calling ME a literal minor wierd and said that i should be kept 3 miles away from schools.. im literally a minor..
I still remember that because it baffles me.. and if the guy immediately thinks that about any anime or show that has young charachters then it probably shows he was the wierd one, as he probably saw alot of.. that.
Mf needs to touch grass though, legit called a child something horrendous because of a show 😨😨
@@kqlolll2618 bro, i don't even know what to say. It called you pedophile for just watching a show that has underage characters??? It's saying watching any show that involves kids in any way is pedophilia, that mf really calling you a pedophile over pixels even though you're a minor and even if it's loli. How do you even call someone a pedophile for something that does not even exist outside of the internet? Like it's not even a real thing, it's literally just pixels
These people who call the video game, Undertale, a "personality test", have no connection to reality whatsoever.
did people forget how to enjoy a story and understand that it was "evil/bad"
Truly I’m terrified for the future of kids growing in this internet climate. Like for people who are older like us it’s easier to tell when something is taken out of context and just plainly wrong, but for kids most of the time it’s just not the case and they’re quick to follow whichever group is the loudest, which sadly leads to controversies like the Zamii or the Scaramouche one.
That is why parents must watch over the kids. But for me problem is: there was a grown ass peoples over 30 who does that and do stuff, like what kids is doing
@@legioneras4576Yeah, you gotta remember for these kids to have grown with this content, there were already older people making it.
As someone who grew up on the internet, you either end up kinda ok, really fucked up or just stay profoundly ignorant. Either way, you end up constantly overwhelmed and with more shit in your head than you have time to process.
People will claim it's the parents jobs to supervise what their kids watch on the internet, but to me that's just plainly wrong. These platforms are made to constantly barrage you with outrageous stuff, it's the logical consequence of an attention-seeking algorithm, what catches people's attention? Outrage.
Both adults and kids alike are being fed this shit nonstop, and who's to say the parents are to trust? Isn't it a recurring topic how out of touch older generations are? Weren't they the ones that passed all this hate down to us? They were, after all, the first ones to use the internet. What we see today is just the extreme of what was already planted beforehand.
I certainly know I didn't trust my parents, and I was right to do so, if I depended on them I would just end up as their ignorant little doll. I had quite an extreme misogynistic phase, but if it was for my parents I wouldn't even be allowed to figure it out and grow, I would just stay silently misogynistic and not think about it.
These aren't individual problems of individual parents not caring for their kids. It's a systemic one, our whole society is built on hatred and the whole internet survives off of profiting off that hatred. Parents just want to close their kids eyes and keep them ignorant so only their biases are passed onto them, while the internet just wants to overwhelm them with more and more horrible shit so can they can profit off of it.
What kids need is a safe space for them to develop their own ideas, taking inspiration off many different perspectives while being reminded to keep a critical outlook. But that place doesn't exist.
So, kids are just left to wander the digital wasteland all on their own, with only luck and the hope that they had and find some positive influences that don't radicalize them into some horrible shit.
@@scug1997 You know, a great point. Kids should have there own "kindergarden" of internet. But mostly true.
You right about parents, I as myself hid a lot of secrets from parents, and don't want to show them even now.
Maybe it's my thing, but in internet you either, try to understand with your kid what is going on around him and try to teach him, how to think by himself, so that way he wouldn't get into a scam and, for the god sake, some sort of cult, or supervise them.
Should parents supervise there kids? Hard to say in 2024. No? Yes? This question for me was so hard to answer, that need more a full scientific psychology work, rather then a random comment guys.
Answer lies somewhere in between, and people don't like that. Parents should be interested in what kids is doing, but don't need to full control and obliterate there personal space
@@legioneras4576 Exactly, a parent should be someone the kid can rely on to help them THROUGH whatever they may encounter, not someone to control them, neither completely neglect them
Don't worry there won't be that many kids to begin with, all that's left is to make sure the few kids we do have around cant access the internet till they're of age.
The gender conflict in Korea is so serious that they are looking at the birth rate of 0.6
The crippling work culture is also a main factor there.
That is more deeply rooted in their economic reality rather than the social one, with very long working hours and a lot of economic inequality.
@@Nebukanezzer if it was just working conditions why did so many in the victorian era have 5+ kids and why in places like hungary is the birth rate increasing even though the working conditions have to some degree gotten worse?
i dont understand why people make such a deal about a social construct that dont mean jack! I DO WHAT I WANT!!! Also, look, if ur worry about a dumb social construct that dont mean anything in the grand scheme of things, then ur living a very luxurious life where u dont have other problems to think about that the rest of us do. I got 999 problems and gender isent one of them i could care less what everyone is.
also i feel we have way to many people in the world so 0.6 birthrate is fine by me but thats cuz i havent yet to think about the consequences of that
@@sellis2819 people had loads of kids in the victorian era because they knew that at least 3 of them would drop dead because of polio or some shit. you've got your kids, then you got your 'backup kids'.
The JoCat situation was truly upsetting and the primary reason why I dipped from Twitter. At any given moment, anything you say can offend someone even if its not meant to be offensive. He was especially loved in the Final Fantasy XIV community though I didn't learn about the situation until late 2023.
There were obviously Twitter freaks going around in videos talking about the situation justifying the doxxing and threats by saying "well, he played Hogwarts Legacy." My brother in christ, he's allowed to enjoy the world of Harry Potter while not liking J.K. Rowling
Honestly everyone in that whole situation was braindead, I can’t find a single decent opinion on that shit
@@cosmicspacething3474 Don't know if you'd personally consider it "decent", but frankly the fact of the matter is that while JoCat _did_ justify and deflect from the harassment against Pikamee, it in under no circumstances justified his own harassment and doxxing. Some people like to try and pin blame on people who brought that point up, but it was almost always brought up with condemning the attackers' actions inherent to it.
@@SockieTheSockPuppet who did jocat dox? Unless I'm reading that wrong.
@@sizedoesntmeaneverything4157 JoCat and his family were the ones doxxed.
@@sizedoesntmeaneverything4157 He meant it doesn't justify the doxxing JoCat faced.
Schools really need to start teaching children how the internet works, what to watch out for and especially to ALWAYS double-check information
OMG THİS İS WHAT I TOUGHT WHİLE WATCHİNG THİS VİDEO
HİGH FİVEEE!!!!!
That's a good idea
but did you double-check everything said in this very video? lol ofc not
@@Turahk You don't need to double-check something if you don't engage with that information any further and stay unbiased anyway. Just don't start blindly believing what other people say. It's quite obvious what I was trying to say.
@@Memuer you watach the video meaning you engage, you may be unbiased but the uploader may not be. So yeah, follow your own advice.
The scaramouche drama was so much bullshit. To get upset over a fictional character, i will never understand what the fuck goes through peoples mind over shit like that.
Not just upset, but even slightly MURDEROUS, for a stupid character in a videogame.
They have no life irl so they become so ingrained into the internet that they can’t see fiction from reality
and plus, they killed a cat.
because they hate a fictional character.
in a gacha game.
Insecurity and/or jealousy I suppose 😊
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I feel like this may be the best video I've seen at expressing why the internet tends to give me anxiety nowadays.
Like, I feel like I'm constantly in a state of wondering whether any random thing I say or do will be used as "proof" that I do or believe things I actually find quite horrible and because of that I feel more closed off and paranoid than I used to. Autism and Anxiety really ain't doin me any favors in this world.
Also thank you for taking the time to say that not everyone in a fandom is toxic. I've seen a lot of people say stuff like "well this person likes this thing, so they must be an asshole", which ironically contributes to the problems I have with the internet.
i srsly agree with nd relate to you
i kinda have a similar situation:
i keep having this constant paranoia of someone just randomly finding something stupid i said back in 2018 and just make that "evidence" to why im a bad person or some shit
i keep trying to remind myself that the past is past and i've changed since then but i still feel so scared. digital footprint has scarred me
That's why I deleted my Twitter, Reddit account, and Facebook account.
And the reason why I prefer talking to people physically. Texting gives poor understanding to humans because Humans ARENT designed, for that....
I feel you, i feel like im paranoid in real life, and on here.. in real life i constantly was overthinking everything i said because i knew my classmates hated me and didnt liem me for no reason, always annoying me. On the internet im also cautious because ive had to deal with shit before, and i still deal shit today (there is another comment i made which is tldr some adult accused me of being something horrible because of something i liked in a game, that horrible thing being a predator when i am a literal kid)
it feels like you arent free anymore, and everyone usually wants to hurt you. Hope seems so hard to maintain, and you become very cynical, but im trying my best to keep on going, as i cant let any of the bad things ive seen and been in slide.
yeah like half the time i end up not sending comments because i'm not 110% sure what i said is phrased correctly or fully accurate
i agree with you and i also have autism so i rarely said or post anything and first time i try to post something i got hated on and this one person try to look every little bit nooks and crannies like this for a example
"you said i not we so that mean you not team player" that not what he said but he try to find even small details serve no purpose and still mean same thing but he turn it into i a bad guy
and other people start asking me what my username is so they can avoid me in game like bruh
( the post i make is i accident pick up my teammate weapons and he kill me to get it for no reasons just ask me to drop it and at the end i accident kill him and i got kick out of the game)
i said in the post i accident kill him but people still think i a bad guy and want to avoid me, anyone make mistake so really annoyed and mad at this like come on i met some one have over 200 team kills but he a great team mate and he did make some mistake but not the ones get mad over it and rage at.
i happy someone made this video and i understand why you dont want to say or post anything, i also really paranoid and almost all the time
I miss my 2008 Internet, if you remembered 3 simple ruls: 1) everyone's a jackass 2) they're most likely trolling so don't take anything seriously and 3) this is not real life - you could have a lot of fun with it.
Same. It was the internet golden age
I personally still live my online experience by those 3 rules... it is so easy to enjoy the internet like this
🥺
Never lived this period, but thanks for the tip
Internet went to shit along with gaming once the 2010’s came and progressively getting worse every year
Heya, im an NSFW artist online so i can definitely attest to how absolutely mentally ill some people can be when approaching things i do online. If theres a few things ive realised along the lines of my work is that you should never be online if youre emotionally unstable AND that you learn to understand that what people are like online is A VERY black-and-white perception of what a person really is.
The whole issue i feel people online have is how absolutely entitled they feel to many things which gives them this influence they think they have when there is none. People have gotten so comfortable assuming things about others and BELIEVING A NARRATIVE in their head that has no merit to it and blatantly post shit about it because they're not emotionally mature enough to process and validate their own logic. The fact that some people they dont like exists is enough to send them into a fit is concerning but of course you cant speak out about this because to remind people of inadequacy is to be marked with death online.
Ngl im gonna have to disagree with the Bridget section mostly because of how you brought up ONE side of the situation when both sides were absolutely awful. My name gives it away im absolutely biased but i never hated the change, i disagreed with it because if youve played the games bridget has never once portrayed insecurity about their gender so the change was giving the takeaway that being fickle and giving into impulsive thoughts are good and i voiced my opinion and promptly had my existence invalidated by people who claim to be inclusive and progressive. I was called a sex joke, a fetish and phobic FOR DISAGREEING with change that made no sense (also it was very obvious that daisuke is pretty much spineless and definitely milked the fuck out of the situation. Bridgets dlc is priced higher than the rest of the cast on the psn store and was used in every damned piece of promotional material.) the "RIGHT" side here id argue has been more toxic and hateful then the "WRONG" Side. Of course.. Being transphobic aint cool and people definitely used this as an excuse to be just that.
At the end of the day people will treat the life of this fictional character with much more value than my own simply because it lines up with their agendas and if you dare speak out you are to be burned at the stake. And this is one out of HUNDREDS of incidents. I have been called slurs and buzzwords aplenty just for drawing smut and have been threatened with death by people who deem to be GOOD. a character that was absolutely vital to my growth as a person being turned into a zone to be captured by mentally ill people in both sides of the situation. Hell at least the only thing the side that disagreed with is make up some really lame bs about mistranslations. The ones that loved the change have been some of the most vile behaviours ive seen come out of a person, the death threats, the rudeness the way they wave this damned character on a stick because theyre worth more points then actual well written trans characters in video games. All for what? Validation? Reassurance?
But let that sink in. People have become so comfortable in just deciding what you are without YOUR INPUT. People dont want to fix things and be good. They want to push you into a corner and bully the fuck out of you because you arent allowed to exist outside their worldview. When literally all that i am is someone that likes drawing. Life hard but Tiddy is soft. Theres no ulterior motive, theres no deeper meaning. But these people reached, grabbed onto the most plausible branch and without even thinking, stabbed it into my eye.
Fuck. The Internet. On. GOD.
Yep, its why i never want to really comment/reply on anything. Seeing the type of things people say or how they react to certain stuff really makes me confused. People get **EXTREMELY** pressed over the smallest details and they will continue to be assholes about it because there is a group of people that also agree with them. And when I do decide to comment, with the amount of shit ive seen people say, i really have to be careful not to accidentally piss anyone off. Its like walking through an active landmine field
and sometimes its best not to engage in anything at all
but of course , scyopaths and bad people exist , so them having renewable anonnymous access to interacting with others is easy venturing for them , but it was realtively niece circomstances where this existed
as another comment here mentioned
"@demilung 2 months ago
I miss my 2008 Internet, if you remembered 3 simple ruls: 1) everyone's a jackass 2) they're most likely trolling so don't take anything seriously and 3) this is not real life - you could have a lot of fun with it."
a higher % of users were more internet literate and discussing ideology was much more cringe back then , but enter the rise of the culturally marxist indoctrinated current social justice warrior youth generation in 2014 and that's where the gates of hell were allowed to open
those of us in the skeptic community tried to warn people back then , but were not given enough attention and not taking as seriously as they should , and now look at what they have normalized on the internet
no one even talks about trolls anymore , it's all whatever the anti-cathedralite buzzword of the day is now
back then organized internet raid campaigns were a thing relegated only to the userbase of 4chan and it was usually just to shitpost irl , or go after people who have actually killed humans or other animals
and don't even get me started on the noralization of censorship , i'll be lucky and thankful if this post of my isn't auto-deleted....
@@iamLI3You shouldn't blame all problems on a group or assume things about that group "Marxist, indoctrinated, etc." If we do that we just end up in the exact same situation of harassment and dog piling people with differing opinions just with groups in different positions.
@@zanderharvey8937 didn't blame all problems , only the ones they are directly responcible for.....
@@iamLI3 it's either be practical, involved, and suffer or be wise, uninvolved, and look on. I know I'm choosing the latter
Yep… Welcome to the Internet
by Bo Burnham
Have a look around.
@@kingdynal7735 anything that brain of yours can think of can be found
Everything that brain of yours can think of can be found
We've got mountains of content
the vellmori situation sucks but theres one shining light in the end - shes been posting art on her instagram and has opened up a patreon where she takes commissions, which is refreshing to see she didnt just vanish off the face of the internet because of what happened
That's nice to hear!
Good for her ❤😊
As mike tyson once famously said: people dont get punched in the face anymore for saying stupid shit.
The internet dials that up to 11. A 6 yo can tell you to hang yourself even if you were a literal hells angels member 💀
Based 6 yo ngl
It's unfortunate that this is now the modern internet that we have to deal with. People freaking out over the most nonchalant things. People getting wronged and hated over the smallest things.
I can't really describe it without sounding like an idiot but i wish people were less sensitive over some topics that brings little to no harm for people other than your own belief that it is a bad thing when it never was.
I wish one day we can just chill out for once and not overreact every single day. But that's a tall order especially for most people nowadays.
Just blast the following message along anytime some freaks out
HTFU
People always mock anyone who says "people are too sensitive now", but just clowning on that argument doesn't nullify it, it's just being dismissive cause you don't like that it applies to you. People ARE too sensitive and reactive now. You think Kwite or Jenna Marbles got chased offline cause people nowadays have thick skin?
I blame the tumblr exodus.
Tumblr was the origin point for all this type of behavior, popularizing it and allowing to run rampant for years is what lead to the state we are in. This type of stuff used to only be contained in that place. but it has unfortunately taken control of the internet.
I know this kinda irrelevant, but I meant some different youtuber not Kwite, I meant the "I like girls" one. Just felt like I needed to amend that for clarity's sake.
@@Jordanisgreat505-ni7ro I don't understand how it got so rampant. When it was contained on tumblr, we here on youtube made fun of it. Now it's the dominant mentality here. It's insane.
I still remember back when the internet used to be a simpler place. It was all about flash games, memes and cats, and social media was used for little more than posting emo rants or dumb pictures of yourself and your pets. Now it's just a miserable place full of miserable assholes who HATE the idea of anyone else being happy or positive even for a second. Social media sites are basically just blood sport arenas and civil wars full of sociopaths, pedophiles and all sorts of crazies.
The internet used to be fun, now it's just miserable
The funny thing about the JoCat situation is, its based on an already existing song, just with the genders swapped. I remember seeing a shit load of memes with it, and noone ever got hate for it, as far as i know.
The spooky slash is like monster smash.
Dude simped hard for the LGBT community and so they decided to dox him when they found out he was straight. I don't really want to victim blame especially when the community is vile, but he was warned much earlier.
as someone who only watched tsunul's pm videos, he spends spend 30% of the time insulting don, 20% simping for faust and 50% simping for sinclair, it doesn't take a fucking genius to realize that our boy ain't straight
based
@@paps3060 i knew my boy was too based and relatable to not be bi
Normally, based simping, but insulting Don is unforgivable
@@mrblazeapound7856 Tsunul isn't a jolly companion 😢
I simp for Hong Lu and I am not gay...
I think...
Another thing people forget a lot nowa days is that two people can be wrong. It’s something that no one seems to remember that just cause one person is wrong doesn’t mean who they are arguing with is right.
The steven universe artist thing is insane because like, people draw women with bigger chests or chubbier stomachs than normal. Drawing characters with alternate body types is CONSTANT
Context was key
@@DLAXTOX"Context? What is that? A reason to be racist?" -Tumblr
There's even people that real life people and draw them the way they like to make them "better" which is crazy.
@@VortexF context?!, it situational.
yes, a reason to hate and reject all that is foreign to you
Thing is, I don’t think that the crowd that went after Zamii for making that drawing cares about real context or even constructive criticism. It tends to get ignored and substituted in favour of what it gets in the way of: target practice. The artist and her work simply happened to be in reach. Not knowing when some internet strangers might pull stunts like this just because some of them feel like it while the rest simply follow a mop menth aa lityy is royally messy.
What happened to Jocat makes me so sad man...
and yet a large part of the internet supported the harassers sadly becose of who they where
@@viktorgabriel2554welcome to the new world
Morality for everyone is based on who’s side you’re on compared to another
Apparently liking women of every shade and size is a war crime now by internet standards.
I barely watch his stuff but I know his content is good so it was sad to see what happened to jocat
@templebeast1324 I feel many of them got pissed for not including trans rep in there, even when he said he supports them and think there awesome. I guess no one is allowed to be creative and show to the world. I already get pissed on the protesters ruining painting in museum because that will totally help with the global warming.
Honestly a really great video on controversies and the butterfly effect of how some discontent among communities can cause a ridiculous amount of outrage. Looking at you, Limbus Summer situation. Its a shame that in the end of the day it was completely useless and that people still wage online conflicts over something that has ended over almost a year ago. Goes to show how deplorable some people can be even if you think highly of the community as people will latch onto anything to prove a point on the internet that has no merit at all and only serves to harm the community and the people they love(d).
Overall excellent summary of the Vellmori situation, i'll probably be redirecting my video on the situation that's months old to this one to avoid further confusion. Glad to have been able to help with my snippets of info considering I never mustered up the energy to make a part 2, cause man it was so mentally draining at the time
It's really sad how everyone lost in the limbus summer thing
Even the korean incels got nothing
Really wished velmori was still working with pm
@@victorpedrosoceolin3919 the greatest loser was Vellmori, deprived of a job she wanted and looking at her art at the time, it was probably her best and equally as stressful peak in life. The one wronged so much over something so pointless and nothing to show for it
If only she made ish just as sexualised as sinclair, nothing like that would have happened
Can someone translate to project moon, I can’t read this much
You also do a great somewhat journalist job to try to summarise the "what is going on" through a lot of misinformation around, even if you don't remember, I give the some summary from Russian news fan group, about when this storm is about to happen.
Finally someone talked about this issues thank you. I want to add another topic to this list of horrible situations. Brad Taste In Music, a music review youtuber, very recently got a unjustified copyright strike that removes all of his monetization. And his whole livelihood is from youtube. He posted a video about this issue and got very emotional in the video. In the comments section of that video Melanie Martinez fans are making fun of him and saying things like "Thats what you get for badmouthing melanie" or "womp womp" and similar things only because he criticized her in the past.
A person just lost their entire livelihood and people are mocking them only because they criticized their favorite artist.
If I’m being honest, sometimes I feel just tired of all the controversies and I just wanna hug people.
I felt horrible for Dino Dave after everything he got, despite not agreeing with almost everything he said in his infamous review video, I felt my heart sink seeing the whole vellmori situation unfold. I also had no idea of extent to which you got harassement from the community for such small things. I just… wanna hug every single one of you. As childish as it may sound. I am a grown ass man now with a car to pay and a full-time job to get soon after I end my four-year college degree, yet I feel saddened by people of all ages fighting for meaningless “victories”.
Before I end this goalless text drawn by my still beating child’s heart, I want to say that I feel happy that despite all of the negativity, we can still be positive among each other in return. In a world where I, as a new young adult with still much promise, see people fight and tear each other’s throats, seeing genuinely good people uphold messages of kindness and sincerity, truly, helps me realize that despite the depression that follows me still, I can keep going for myself and those around me. Isn’t those kind of stories the reason why many of us love the stories that project moon give us?
Saying what flows freely to my mind, for once not veiled by me and my younger peers’s cynical view of the world is immensely more valuable and liberating than any arguing has ever done to me.
This comment had no real purpose but to express my unfiltered (and very disorganized thoughts brought upon by a serious case of my adhd) gratitude for people like you, and bravo for this great video.
Well said. I wish you a good life, wherever you are. Thank you for the positive message 👍
The fact you wrote this shows how deep your heart truly is.
I wish you luck too dude. We might be strangers online, but the kindness was felt in your message.
As long as good people are in the world, we can help it.
I never let things slide, and i always fight for the better
Honestly having a proper after action report of the whole Vellmori thing is good to have. I had no idea just how much mistranslation there was - I'd figured there were at least a few third parties translating it faithfully, but if they were they were being drowned out.
A lot of people purposely mistranslated it [generally, Korean radfems who were wanting to take advantage of EN fandom ignorance and laziness]
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j I also remember people responsible of the situation also doing the exact same thing, trying to pen Vellmori as a pedophile and the like, and talking about it in their forums, coming up with more buzzwords to spin her as a villain.
Jocat getting canceled for liking women is tbe most wild intwrnet drama ive ever seen
Crazy how a lot of this can be summarized as "Me when fictional character:"
Tsunul: BTW I'm bisexual
Me: We know sweetie.
I am shocked. Shocked I tell you
@@SecoOrlov what is that supposed to mean
I thought he was gay
Tsunul 9 months ago, reviewing swimsuit sinclair: "I'm not gay, but..."
Tsunul now: "So maybe I'm a lil gay..."
(In case it wasn't clear I think this is a wonderful development it is my favorite)
One thing that i learn is we are not gay. we are just attracted to guys
I suppose it's less "i like this character don't shit on it" and more "I like this, you saying the thing I like is shit is like saying I'm shit" and from there it's seen as "survival".
The problem is also that some are psychopaths because as I've felt bad hearing people say that things I love are shit and people that love that are shit too my first instinct isn't to doxx, harass or threaten them
Genuinely, the Vellmori situation is really depressing given how it was blown out of proportion from just misinformation alone started by a campaign of people who had nothing else to do but to complain something that was ultimately a non-issue (And seriously, who the fuck would wear a swimsuit in a fucking garbage DUMP? Seriously, they must've had illiteracy to the extreme, truly.) Sure, Ishmael did at the time get a lot of identities at the time, and as a day one player I can totally understand the frustration at the time, but for these idiots to be literally sifting through Vellmori's stuff is just creepy as hell and physically threatening Project Moon's workers, was just insane.
Could Project Moon have more clear with their statements? Definitely.
Was all of this drama necessary? Hell no.
I will say I do think PM could have at least done a better job making preparations and protections (even if it’s limited) for their employees. But they could have handled the entire situation a lot better.
@@2265Hello Yea, but that was frankly a result of them being a indie studio who had not quite adjusted to the growth of their games. Like Tsunul said Limbus was almost 5 times as popular that is hard to adjust your behaviour and make preperations for
+they made a gacha game. (People expected "fan service" if you know what i mean)
PM couldn't have have more clear with their statements because VM herself literally requested them to lie about what happened in hopes that it'll cause less harassment.
then why was sinclairs identity in whats basically a swimsuit,pretty sure that was the reason they ultimatelly complained about
As someone on the internet, I cannot stress this enough
This place is nuts
Humanity in a nutshell
NIGGA THIS NUTS! 🐿️🐿️🐿️🐿️
Every new gen is geting weirder then the last gen. "The stuff you read,the things you watch, the games you play."
But not everyone acts like this though, genuine people exist.
The worst part of online toxicity. Is when you stand against them... it's to stoop down to their level. It's easy to BECOME toxic online. I have had a realization of it sort of. And your perfect ~hot voice~ keeping it cool while telling people to go out.. get help.. instead of threatening them back. Really makes me wanna be better about holding my self back better and not stoop down to the toxicity more often than i am ashamed to accept i have stooped to.
That's why I always say that we are having a crisis in humanity, in which we are increasingly unlearning how to be kind. And when I say "kind", I'm not saying to us be all pathologically affectionate to the point of throwing away our self-respect. What I want to say is that we should at least take a deep breath and not wait for everyone to threaten you and cause you endless pain.
I know: human beings can be difficult creatures to deal with. They can exhaust your patience and even insult you. What I advocate is that we at least think twice before adopting this "shoot first, ask questions later" mentality by default when someone talks to you... And above all, know how to recognize when you have a short temper and try to aks for help if this behaiviour is so frequent that's crippling. It's hard for our ego to accept that you may have problems that make you unpleasant, but self-awareness should be vital for all of us.
Basically people get crazy mad over dumb or basic nothings on the internet how far we have fallen and please do not be that type of person
what are you gonna do to stop me
Not really surprising. If you have a group of thousands of people, you're bound to have some unhinged individuals.
Now add to this internet echo chambers and how people are likely to only see the most extreme examples from their opposition.
Oh yeah and let's not forget facebook finding that outrage is a reliable way to keep people on their site. Thus tweaking their algorithm to supply more and more outrage.
@@badguy8604 i'm gonna sit here and judge you very judgementally >:v
After Limbus swimsuit incident I understood that just gacha community in general has the most unhinged fanbase. Not saying that they all like that, but, I would argue that precentage of degenerates in gacha community is above all other gaming communities.
Btw, I would recommend to watch video about this topic from "Moon channel" he actually explains why people (at least in Corea) care so much about some pixels in gacha games.
@@phuhuhuhu8090 He just explains why Feminism in Corea is what it is. Still could recomend to watch it, since it give a ground for Corean side of Velmori situation
@@legioneras4576 he actually explains gender wars, korean incels and feminism its quite long since its a two parter def recommend for others
Gacha community fighting the anime community over who has the bigger amount of degenerate
Wait wasn't that moon channel the one that insisted that vellmori got fired?
Any interaction with a Hoyo community is asking for death threats. Near Genshin launch I remember complimenting an artist on their "rare pair" that I'd never seen before because I noticed they weren't really getting many positive comments. I didn't even comment on the pairing itself, but only encouraged the artist. I still got some quite surprising comments myself about how I shouldn't spread positivity about a non-canon pairing and the official pairing for one of the characters was F/F (its only official in fandom. Then they got even more negative, but I'll let you guess what happened. I just stopped commenting on Hoyo stuff after that.
I wonder how zzz is holding up...
How ironic that a big part of the vellmori incident was because of an error in translation. Or another words project Moon fans not being able to read.
Normally I would think of a witty remark, or something to joke about but man.. This is a message that so many people need to see, I really appreciate your calm and positive demeanor.
I wish you the best, and I look foward to the new content you will make.
You’ve brightened my view on humanity knowing that someone shares the same live and let live that I try so desperately to hold onto in this (for lack of better words) shitstorm.
Thank you.
A real angela moment, breaking the cycle of endless (internet) violence.
The internet is a place for memes, now we made it political. TOO political, not saying political isn't bad but it was fine with a lil bit of it here and there.
it's honestly sickening how a skin for a character and another character *LITERALLY HOLDING A FCUKING AMPULE THE "WRONG WAY"* has almost escalated into a full-on RIOT
That's not really what people were upset about though? The ampule thing I mean.
@@user-ky2hg7fg4j still doesnt justify the outrage?
Hey is your pfp the trader from soul knight
Can you give me some context here?
@@mrscruffles801 sure just watch the video called "Lets Talk About The Horrible State of The Internet" it shoul have all the context
Ah yep, this video is indeed gonna be a fun one
But in all seriousness this is does need to be talked about cause man is it depressing to see the internet to be the way that it is
I was born in 2006 so I didn't get to experience the true "old" internet that much, but even back in ~2016 the internet was so much better. Yes there was a lot of drama but it never got anywhere near the level of today. There's also the fact that the internet has been replacing the real world more and more, and I think it started around 2016 too, people were just having fun online before, and now everything is a mine field...
It's always been this sort of bad, it's just that the internet is more mainstream so more people are using it and all the stuff is just happening at a larger scale. I still remember when a guy worked at like the maternity ward of a hospital and he posted pictures of the babies and people told him to put them on their heads and watch them fall over and other weird cruel positions. People on the internet have always been crazy especially when you give them the chance to be.
@@qqyyy7739 That's exactly my issue, it's become mainstream.
As someone from 1996, the main difference I see is that, back then, you could differentiate trolls from people who actually meant what they said. There was actually room for civil conversations so much that forums were enjoyable to chat for an hour or two.
Now, there is no common sense on what's acceptable, people have become unstable and incapable of tolerance. The narcissism is at an all time high and everyone believes themselves justified to be aggressive. Harsh topics were easy to avoid, now everyone wants to know your opinion on x and y before judging you... I've stressed out over such petty things because I'm way too sensitive over language that reaches an unacceptable level of distasteful disrespect or foolish behavior....
In the end, I just accepted being a hermit and try to avoid commenting anywhere...
Agree
2014 Tumblr was fucking wild man...
I'm so glad that I joined Tumblr after all the insane people moved to twitter because now it's just people either shitposting or showing cool art they made without any discourse in the comments/reposts
@@interlapsedat the cost of these type of people back in 2014 to migrate literally throughout all parts of the internet and making it the shithole it is.
@@interlapsedfair but now that some political and gender bullshit has infected every other website.
@@interlapsedtbh idk.. it seems like another option to post art in.. but im kinda scared to go there because of the drama and stuff like the example in the video makes me scared.
@@kqlolll2618 most of those people have moved onto twitter, granted there are still a few left but they are few and far between. I would give posting there a try, most of the time people don't really comment anything and just reblog ur art because they like it :), or that's how it is for me anyways.
Cookie run fandom on twitter be like💀
I'm both curious and scared at the same time
@@Tomion123 it just call out post on the mildest stuff and hypocrite basically
Average Twitter "People"
cookie run and object shows scare me tbh, the fandoms there are absolutely rabid from what ive sawn..
Why? Because i swear most of these people are kids
I’ve had my run ins with some fans, and the toxicity ended up rubbing onto my own stupid ass. Did a whole lot of braindead shit that I definitely regret…
"The worst bullies are the self-rightous ones."
-Me I think
The saying is:
Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.
People often associate the word "dystopia" with some higher power stomping on the common folk by making life absolutely miserable. It's steadily becoming one of those words that are often missused. In some cases, people even consider having to go to a low-paying 9-5 shift at Walmart to be "dystopian". Don't get me wrong, I can see how miserable it is to work so hard and be paid so little, I just think that that situation doesn't do the word "dystopia" justice.
Now, the constant fear from knowing that at any moment, a faceless mob of strangers can ruin your life over something insiginificant you did or said AND never be held accountable for it? THAT'S a dystopia. And the worst part is, it's not some shadow government nor a mega-corporate entity, it's just a mob of people who have to much time on their hands.
Basically what I'm saying is, it's truly horrific how extreme and radicalized people can get when they feel like their actions have no consequences.
The same conditions that force people to have to go to low-paying 9-5 shifts are the very same conditions that give rise to the aforementioned faceless, unaccountable mobs. It's just another consequence of the fundamental flaws at the very roots of how our society and culture are structured.
I mean it sure as hell is being enabled by the social media corporations. Or at the very least ignored
@@cosmicspacething3474
If someone leaves a kitchen knife on the counter and I decide to use it to threaten someone, is the owner of the knife to blame? Or am I to blame for deliberately using someone else's tool as an accessory to my own, conscious act of malice?
I think the mob is still the main offender here by virtue of being the active aggressor and should be treated as such. The absence of rules is a glaring problem, yes, but the mob was the one who decided to violate common decency to spark the flames.
“Ya boy is bisexual.”
Ya boy is as straight as y=x^3…
We could tell, Tsunul. No one is as big as a fan of Hong Lu and Sinclair without being at least a little fruity.
I am a gay dude and I can't consider myself a fan of Hong Lu and Sinclair, but if it helped Tsunul deliver his message, I'm glad. I have bi friends who are on the Hong Lu and Sinclair train as well.
Everyone in Limbus is so hot
For me it's Faust and Heathcliff
I mean, it's quite a common joke in the community that most PM players are bisexual. I for one am a major Ishmael and Sinclair simp.
If anything, it would be more surprising if tsunul came out as straight lmao
Ew
@@realah3001
No one cares.
idk why but i feel like i really needed this video. world's growing more and more extreme, its quite the depressing sight. but the final note really touched my heart. I think I will try a little harder tomorrow. thanks man
The Jocat situation really annoys me. I wasn't a fan of his content but my friend was and I watched a few videos. The video about girls was genuinely extremely wholesome and at best you can say it's "Cringe" however the fact he got doxxed and harasseed for it was genuinely so horrible it and cases like Valmori, Critical and others genuinely annoys me. Imagine being a adult and being tricked so easily. It's the same story every time. Something small blown out of proportion and then people lie or twist the narrative to make it worse. This video is very well done and perfectly explores how actually easy it is to lie on the internet and get away with it.
It's like that scene in dilbert. Only that was a cartoon dog. Not real life people.
Edit: fixed a couple typos
The worst part is that the original song was the same stuff, but a girl saying that for boys she liked. And as homophobic as it may sound, if a girl did the same song Jo Cat did, the hate would come only from the side everyone expects it to come.
I really like how you handled the Vellmori situation, and the massive bundle of missinfo mixed with with half truths mixed with bold faced lies made it a nightmare vortex to figure out a semi coherent timeline of events..
To be honest the BA community concerns are justified, imagine being constantly held up to scrutiny by Twitter where "Oh, your favorite game is a lolicon student-teacher fantasy simulator, you are a pedo, check him PC" but then all of a sudden those mindless drones see a video, enter the community and are like "Wow cool stuff, however we don't like a number of thing this we need to change those things", the change things already happened in the form of changed dialogues for characters, aka the inhabitants of the "Land of freedom" are concerned about freedom only when their incorruptibly high, unshakable and absolute morals standards are respected, otherwise you have to adapt to them and their ideology.
So yes, hate me all you want, gatekeeping where you keep away people who are not interested in the community or hobby in the first place(the gatekeep where you keep people away because they aren't OG enough needs to disappear) is, sometimes, necessary, and the Twitter swarm justifies it more often than not.
In this specific case Max0r community can and most surely will be accepted, this is more of an explanation why people are so against promoving their nieche community to big channels.
I love that my way to get out of the drama of vellmori was seeing the tweet that Mili made , it was amazing seeing Cassie beating out the allegations.
wow really? Could you tell please what was that tweet about? I just didn't know that Mili also had a word in all this whichevershouldbecalled
@ryominto If I recall correctly, Cassie tweeted about her being in the Tgs for limbus and a random dude calling her out for "being in the side with PJM." A little while late she called him out ( There was a mini drama of people calling her the worst and after that she just comtinued with her life, it wasn't something super big but seeing that Mili continued working with pm cleared all my doubts
@@YukoHayase-sr8cb god, I really knew nothing about the scale of this conflict. When it's all occurred, I wasn't even paying attention like "again some twitter/asian stuff, PM will be good, nothing too serious, continue playing", and this video made me shocked, to say the least
Cassie wei is such a baller. She said Kim made a mistake and said she wasn't going to betray her lifetime friend and colleague. People who hate her can only dream of having a friend like her.
Its been said before, but people have gotten too comfortable with saying offensive or insulting remarks on the internet without the fear of getting decked in the face. Most of the things I see people spout on Twitter just for shits and giggles is so downright insulting and embarrassing that I would want avoid being seen in public if I ever said these things to another human being in person. People have no shame now.
Agreed. We need to bring back the feeling of shame in people. This lack of feeling human connection to things is ruining us collectively.
@@mrscruffles801 yeah its very LOL for people to make death threats and try pushing people to suicide.
@@mrscruffles801 brother read the room, most of this video is Tsunul listing how people were either unreasonably sending death or trying to push others to suicide over minor opinions or not bothering to look up facts.
@@mrscruffles801 bro you know what they say, stop being so obtuse
Empathy has been forgotten for too long
We and everyone needs to do something tbh, we cant just continue to look at this all the time, we have to take action to actually make a better place
I consider 99% of internet commenters to be bots. It's not an unlikely theory given the comments I've seen.
Even if they're not bots, they're not real people either.
as someone who grew up with internet, I hate internet culture, especially fandoms. I am so disappointed that so many people become the worst version of themselves over completely irrelevant stuff because of the way the internet have been for the past decade or two
thank you for this video
I genually hope that it'll help some people
I blame the tumblr exodus for it. Tumblr culture being mainstream on the internet has ruined it. I hate how popular fandom culture has gotten because it has normalized this type of culture. Its really bad in the fnaf community. its why so much drama happens. When you mix ideology, degeneracy and mental illness into one batch this is what you get.
Good thing I grew up with the internet, this hasn’t even happened before and then here we are in this situation. People are dumb in a way without common sense is makes me sad
Honestly Tsunul hit the nail on the head, the internet (through the power of anonymity) has become an echo chamber of hate (mostly social media) which is honestly quite sad, if only the internet could just go back to being a chill relax place again without people riling each other up for funsies because they get a kick out of it
thy internet has made people really comfortable with not getting punch in the face for their disrespect
The padded rooms of social media and their invulnerability to hostile raiding with various "safety" mechanisms is the worst thing Web 2.0 brought us.
I think China made the right call here by tying your online activities to you as a person through their national ID.
@@Demopans5990 Yeah if you're a fascist.
no it didn't, stop doomposting
The Jocat one is especially egregious, when you consider they got mad at him for essentially one line '...and the shortstacks' Which pertain to shorter(often with dwarfism) adult women. Meanwhile, Lizzo, The creator of the 'I like boys' song Jocat was parodying, says 'itty bitty boys' in the song and apparently everyones fine with THAT but god forbid Jocat try to go with shortstacks.
Its insane that most of these end up boiling down to people hating fictional ships or characters. What a joke
Thanks for the shoutout Daddy Tsunul UwO
Now the ad revenue can let me buy the Shanks DLC for Pirate Warriors
Homie i love you, but please never UwU ever again
@@Welvader ૮₍ ˃ ⤙ ˂ ₎ა S-So Mean mister Welvwader
You-You's gonna make me cwyyyy (つ╥﹏╥)つ
Still wondering where the hokma pillow is
What the fuck did I walk into
Did Dino turned into femboy after he quit limbus?
To be fair I can understand the reluctance towards the new version of Bridget. I saw it unfold when it happened. Bridget wasn't new and had an established identity. Suddely there were contradicting information and things didn't make sense. In this case it's just a video game. I saw during the beginning of the pandemic in germany how contradicting informaiton can lead to a lot of confusion and chaos.
While I don't condone the hate and violence, even if it's from the creator you should be able to say it's dumb idea regardless from modern politics.
It's not a dumb idea and aligns with all the original visions of the character. Trans people will be Trans no matter how gross you find us
Oh yeah absolutely, they threw Bridgets entire past in the dumpster. Real weird from a writers perspective.
The issue isn't that people were sating "it's a dumb idea" but that they tried to deny Bridget being trans altogether.
Also, no, it makes sense. It's... hard to explain, but... transgender people themselves say that it makes sense. And they probably know better about the whole thing than people that AREN'T trans
@@NoraNekos7 Some trans people say it makes sense, some say it doesn't. Their experiences aren't the same.
@@BuraiTributeKing Ok, yeah, that's fair. Still, it does mean that Bridget being trans DOES make sense
This is genuinely such a good video, and I hope a lot more people get to see it. It's so easy to forget that the most toxic parts of the internet are really small and you did a good job at getting that through. It's nice to hear somebody talk about things rationally when so much of the things people say online is overly eccentric just because that's just... the internet now. But I really appreciate this video.
You're Content's are Great Tsunul,
Sorry That some Fandom's are Starting to get On Your Nerves,
Thanks for Sharing your Thoughts on the More Loud-side of Project Moon Fan's.
Real Life: Wow this place sucks!!!
Internet: Wow this place sucks!!!
my head hurt, i just wish that social media didn't exist. at this point it's doing more harm than good.
I hope it does get shut down, slowly so that people can find more better ways to stay connected with friends and clean up the internet. Which in turn will help society get better. Hopefully but it's hard to have faith now.
@@shcdemolisher I hope we just don't get information, like information just doesn't spread, like people will have their own small bubbles of knowledge and can live in peace with it, and like hopefully everyone is open enough to new knowledge where when they find different groups of people with different knowledge they try to learn from it instead of barbarically destroying it. The rapid spread of knowledge has just made people act rabid :3
We need forums again
Maybe even BBS
I'm glad to find someone who can share the worldview of "You can do whatever as long as you're not hurting anyone else."
If everyone thought that way, the amount of stupid conflicts that would be avoided is incredible.
My experience with the PM fandom has been mixed. A while back i would've said i would just continue to enjoy the content on my own.
But recently i met a little group that did me a lot of good creatively, i started writing, making artistic stuff. And all because we enjoy something that is great.
All fandoms are complicated, we can only hope and cling to the good parts of it all.
People has the energy to hate a stranger in the internet?
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wow...quite the dedication
That's the thing I always wonder about. Because I ain't using my precious lunch break or my free time after work to argue with people online, or stalk, or join a harassment campaign. Who are these people with so much free time?!?
@@Lucisev_ children or unemployed mfs, like me! :D
(Although, I don't do the whole harassment thing because it's kinda cringe ngl)
oh boy, and you dident even get to what shitstorm big companies are doing these days:
escape from tarkov self destructed itself, its game, and its community in an attempt to get greedy
Sony tried to one up this by killing helldivers 2 with a required PSN account linking, and thus the community united and kicked their shit in enough to revert it
then XBOX said "check this out" and killed several smaller companies under its wing, including the studios that made GOOD games, like the company that made hi-fi rush, and evil within 1/2, the redfall company deserved it, but most of the others did not
TF YOU MEAN THEY KILLED TANGO GAMEWORKS? How am I only hearing about this now?
Ye I know about that but those situations are more "company being stupid" rather than the internet being terrible.
@@Tsunul yeah.., its just overall, the internet itself is falling apart, It has always, ALWAYS, been stated that humanities downfall will be its own stupidity, and we are yet to be proven wrong
@@NoMoreBots look it up, so many are so mad at XBOX as it begins to self destruct, getting rid of several companies under its wing due to "budget cuts"
TSUNUL WITH THE FOOD THANK YOU SIR‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️‼️
You glossed over the Bridget thing so badly and ended with the opposition being transphobic.
Let me correct you.
Bridget was among the first Otokonoko characters, characters who were very feminine and yet male. There was already discourse from transfolk that Bridget and any Otokonoko character was trans, which pissed off fans of Otokonoko because Bridget was *THE* otokonoko character, and they were already trying to claim tomboy and tomgirl characters (those particular traits and quirks in the west are now extinct) so there was existing tension. Bridget was also developed in a way where his primary goal in the story was to assert his masculinity, he wanted to prove that he was a man. This was his character since his inception and the way he was developed on...until Strive.
That he became a woman was not only a severe retcon to his original goal, and not only a huge step in the erasure of the tomboy/tomgirl/femboy identity...but there exists the implication that he was basically groomed into becoming trans which is a VERY real concern that people have with trans and children. Let alone a Japanese developer kneeling to Western Headcanon (formerly), which is also problematic in and of itself, Bridget's appeal was in his otokonokoness and making him trans was going to kill that. And if I need to highlight it, a feminine looking boy and a trans person are not the same so saying "they're the same thing" is reductive. I doubt he's going to be a requested character in the future because of this.
Cope, seeth and mald transphobe, if you at all cared for Bridget and respected her, or trans people in general for that matter, you would use the correct pronouns, which you do not, while still being able to criticize her direction in this game (Didn't read what you said, as if you're intentionally misgendering then there very likely won't be any substance to your statement).
@@zugetzuzu He's not transphobic you clown. Do you trans people honestly think that dressing like a girl defaults you to being trans? The Otokonoko culture is it's own thing, crossdressing is it's own thing, There's newhalf and Okama. All these words you don't even know the meaning of. No, your brain instantly jumps to using buzzwords. Everything he said was constructive and TRUE. There wasn't a single hateful thing in his post. You are choosing to be willingly ignorant just to push your political beliefs and it's disgusting. Educate yourself before you harrass people online for being SMARTER than you. Aboslutely ridiculous.
@@zugetzuzu
If you cared about trans people at all, you be demanding better representation for them, not the character assassination and erasure of THE Femboy character for the sake of pandering. There's no reason Daisuke couldn't have made an original character like he did with Nago if he wanted a trans rep so badly, and no one should be praising him for not doing so, choosing instead to turn Bridget into a grooming victim.
Honestly him essentially being the victim of grooming and that being seen as positive is what was most disturbing. No one who supported it had a problem with him essentially being a victim since it supported thier views which is more concerning than anything. The fact that this video ignored that to only proves that furthermore.
Wow you will really go to the ends of the earth before letting trans people exist. The opposition is transphobic, so are you, and you will find out if you keep fucking around like this.
Bridget is a woman and always will be, just like me. Your tears only make my estrogen stronger.
"How can you hate me, when you don't even know me?" - Daryl Davis
I feel like, if anything, the state of the Internet is reflective of the state of people in general. They're so miserably lonely that they have to cope with virtual stuff, spread their misery through hate and even then it's just for a small moment of glory where they can go to sleep at night without being aware of how their actions hurt others. Like, the real problem is that these people who start all this terrible shit get to sleep at night without the guilt, or compunction of their actions. How can they hate someone when they don't even know them?
What colour do they like? What furniture do they prefer? What's their favourite choice of animal, the mainstream cat? The diligent dog? Some off-road choices like otters? Which games stay in their head as the most memorable?
They know nothing, and only ever presume everything. That is sad, and really these phirestarters should be punished for it.
I do agree, it is a dark miserable time, and I don't know when it will ever end. I hope one day it does, and that it will just be history to analyze by future generations far in the future.
@nitro143 Punitive justice isn't justice; it's ineffective.
@nitro143 then we all should stop using the internet and leave it to rot
Great video,
People that treat fictional content as reality are the most insane people and are terminally online.
Like you can say you like x character drawing and someone will say that you are the most horrible personne for doing so, it's insane.
That would be like you calling a guy to operate someone with a terminal illness just because they played a doctor in House, Scrubs, or E.R. Guess what will happen to the patient afterwards (spoiler alert: They will DIE).
I think the problem with the Bridget/Strive situation was more so the implications that were made deliberately or by accident. Because Bridgets entire story revolved around them escaping the gender identity forced on them (As they were forced by family and friends to be female or be executed, to put it simply), having them come out as trans felt like the message was "Indoctrinating kids to be trans is a good thing and leads to that child being happy in the end". I know people from all walks of life who are fans of Strive, myself included, and even my gay/trans friends thought that the message Arcsys/Daisuke insinuated by doing this was pretty disgusting. I dont think it was meant maliciously by Arcsys but theres no denying it does leave a pretty bitter taste as it spits on the characters development and implies some pretty messed up things.
Another thing to point out is other characters such as Testament were basically made non binary and no one had an issue with this as it didnt interfere with their character or imply anything off. I truly believe that if it had been a new character that happened to be trans and didnt imply what was implied with Bridget, I genuinely dont think anyone would of had an issue at all. If a teenager came out as trans but was told by their parents that they would kill the trans person if they did, only for that trans person to go "You're right! I'm happy with what you tell me my gender is!", the trans community would be up in arms and rightfully so, yet they supported this exact same thing with Bridget.
I have to thank you for this video.
The Vellmori situation really did affect me mentally very badly, during the time of the announcement of the korean text i saw it in a friend discord server, i couldnt believe it that a company i loved so much had done such a thing, my literal first reaction to that was "wait did Vellmori quit or something?"then i saw all the massive ammounts of comments and tweets discussing about how she was fired and shit, i didnt choose to believe that simply cause Project moon honestly had changed my entire life and made my carrier and dream of being an artist actually possible and the year i spent drawing bongbong was life changing to me.
During the drama i remained skeptical about if everything going on was actually true or not, choosing to remain possitive of Project moon somehow managing to do the right thing. During that time it was so painful to remain hopeful, to still having trust that Project moon would not fuck it up, it was so painful seeing friends and artists i looked upon just quit drawing project moon, it was so despairing seeing friends go from chatting with them about the project moon universe happily and chill to constant very long arguing over me still enjoying the game and having to withstand me wanting to still enjoy the game, seeing it constantly critized, constantly mocked and laughed up as if project moon's games where never good dispite the same people having been pm fans before.
And after the situation with Vellmori resolved and it was revealed she quitted? i had to fucking face that according to some people even those i respected they didnt believe she quitted but rather "project moon forced her to quit to save their public image"(which if that had been the case that would have been the first ever response by pm and not one that came literal months later and leaked by the User association and not project moon themselfs), twisting the narrative to its last extents so to excuse still hating on project moon. To this day this is the case of refusing to trust any official statements or anything at all, and im honestly clueless on how to feel if angry for their dismissive attitude or worried and try better at helping them see the missinformation.
Now another thing i wanted to comment that i feel too is very fitting for this video is the Mili/Casey situation with Project moon, the lead guitarrist that plays for Mili made some vague tweets in the same day the controversy happened about how "people shouldnt jump to conclusions so soon", so basically a very vague series of tweets that hinted at defending project moon, well people rapidly either dismissed it as untrue or that somehow the guitarist was a bad person and a missfit in Mili's band.
Then when Casey herself defended project moon she got massively harrassed and dubbed as a Misoginist and a bad pro-capitalist corporation defender that hates individual workers, Im not fucking kidding, dispite most of Casey's songs being quite against corporations or employee abuse. When that wasnt enough they just resorted to dig into her past to find a valid reason to dismiss her positive opinion on pm and hate her and that there was no way Project moon could have been a good company ever(dispite the fact that Mili made an entire song as a love letter for pm for how much they enjoyed working with them). And had to see people who had loved Mili's songs for years just go from one day to another call her and the band as horrible shitty people.
As a final words on this comment, i have to thank you for this video as this topic was one that was haunting me and one i even was considering making a video myself about it too since i was so tired of seeing the missinformation about Vellmori and Project moon still go around. (also sorry for the wall of text comment.)
Not the first day tbh
Scaramouche is like one of my favourite characters (even have a plush irl of him), I always just find the voicelines funny, the scaracat situation is just ridiculous to say the least
The fact that so many people can't separate fiction and reality is so dangerous, could and already did harm real people and in this case, an innocent cat
Now I want to see a Scaramouche cosplayer promoting a local animal shelter on adopting and helping black cats.
@@nicholaslienandjaja1815 it would be adorable and wholesome please 😭
The Bridget shit just made me uncomfortable because it felt like they'd been forced into being trans and as a trans woman that just feels like shitty representation, and the fact the community just gobbled it up shows how low the standards are and any criticism is just brushed off with "NOOO UR HECKIN TRANSPHOBIC"
I love how we can have free and open conversations here on the internet, very cool
The thing is, having a "respectable" and "mannered" debate or even a conversation is hard to do when slurs, insults, and hate are thrown the moment it started. And internet being essentially anonymous and a wildland just eventually lead to the inevitable outcome.
Yeah a person forced into feminization or be killed never rubbed me the right way about it either but yep everyone is just heccin transphobic!!
The whole thing turned me off of ever liking the character ever again. Not because their trans because I frankly don’t care much about their gender but the entire community and controversy around the character and how the character has now overshadowed a lot of other characters in the series that I personally enjoy a lot more and is brought up in constant controversy and toxicity.
I personally took it as a whole:
No-one would question raising an amab boy as as a boy and an afab girl as a girl, yet the moment you switched that around and the individual is comfortable with it, is it seen as "grooming" or bad.
And so, as any further discussion on the topic is going to be controversial to someone, just forget about it and accept it
I personally took it as a whole:
No-one would question raising an amab boy as as a boy and an afab girl as a girl, yet the moment you switch that around and the individual is _comfortable_ with it, is it seen as "manipulating/forcing gender upon a child" or bad.
And so, as any further discussion on the topic is going to be controversial to someone, just forget about it and accept it
Thank you for actual research.
There's a channel called moon channel that did a video on the vellmori topic but kept painting it that she was fired.The video kept implying that she was fired even comparing it to another incident where another korean company released a statement that their employee is leaving because gender stuff but was actually fired.
Even though there's proof showing that vellmori left on her own volition
I still wonder how it was in the end. I just hope it is more of a learning experience for the PMoon of today, than it is a dark shadow in the past
@@donvitopatata i also hope Vellmori is doing fine after that heap of mess
All this harassment and hate must really be really tiring to deal with
Moon Channel also tried painting the feminist movement in Korea as noble and oppressed, when anybody with knowledge of what's going on would have quickly pointed to Megalian as the first problem with said feminist movement. He also spun his wheels on irrelevant Korean history in that same video...
@@LoliconSamalik Yeah.. even a lot of Korean feminists [me myself too] will admit that radical feminism shot women in the shoot, and it'skind of the major reason why anti-feminism suddenly got so bad when it wasn;t that bad before.
@@LoliconSamalik No? To me the Moon video was decent. I did get lost a few times but from what I remember he tried to reach the origin of it all by taking the perspective of the woman who would feel justified taking a side in the gender war, he did clarify that while Megalia may have started out of women frustrations it has degenerated into misandry. Later, there was also a section taking the perspective of the man who would find comfort in fiction and games, and how the frustration of societal expectations and those radicalized comments of misandry could lead to cases of men demanding a safe space.
He reached a different conclusion on Vellmoris's case because of all the similar drama that occurred in Korea over the past few years ig.
But to be honest, I can't say I actually understand about those issues and English is not my first language, so I'm sorry I have something wrong.
TBh tsunul a lot of people on the bridged situation hated that shit not cause of what ever hate or phobia, most of the people I met that hated this decision was mostly people that knew the story of Bridget and that there was no indications of Bridget being trans because like the entire story was litteraly about Bridget proving himself as a man in the older games to have the courage to go against the norms of the village and prove them wrong that being a male twin wasn’t unlucky and woudnt bring a disaster to the village, and he was doing fine than suddenly in strive that happened with no story buildup and the whole mess started, people weren’t mad because of what Bridget got changed to but the fact that they took Bridget and throwed Bridget story development in the trash all of a sudden, to a minor extent this included also testament which in the previous game was always refered to as a man in his every apparition and he himself called himself a son of particolarly important character, and now suddenly non binary, people such as myself didn’t like this cause this Felt out of no where and just insulting to the characters story that they had going on ultil than especcialy Bridget and with no built up or hint to it was so ever that’s got me and a lot of people not liking this . The hate cause of trans and other shit was from my experience not that big it was just a small minority and the problem for me was, if u want a trans character why not make a new one? That’s just my take on the issue tbh I find both sides dumb tbh
It was always a trans story. You just never asked anybody who understood the writing. If you talked to any of us it'd all make sense. You can't do that though because you think we're too icky. Too bad so sad.
"Live and let live" has been what I've been living after for years.
Doesn't work as good when so many seem to be the complete opposite though. It just kinda baffles me when people are so concerned about what other people do.
We are tribal by nature.
The problem is that we let the woke tribe gain power.
That is one of several tribes you dont let live.
Other tribe caused ww2.
@@malaficus Why is it that whenever someone tries to make a claim about human "nature," it's always just projection?
Leave other people alone unless they explicitly go out of their way to infringe on the space of others.
It’s kinda crazy how the least shocking piece of information from the video is Tsunul coming out as bisexual. (congrats though even if we’re not surprised)
The entire pm situation was still unclear to me (and thankfully so) so I thought waiting a bit after all the misinformation died down and caught up but I still didn’t know about the definitely not aligned groups trying to slander pm was just so wild to hear about for the first time.
Truly a maybe the real internet was the misinformation and drama we had along the way. Peak non-fiction here Tsunul
I always get worried about being cancelled. There are a lot of people who will hate me because of wild things, it has spread, to not just the internet, but the physical world. People will call me "Timmy" for being disabled, they'll call me a manchild because I still play Minecraft. They'll call me gay, for complementing a man for his looks. (I'm Bisexual aswell) Circling back to the state of the internet, There are people who will give fake screenshots of discord DMs, making me look bad. (making me look look like a homophobe, transphobe, P-phile etc.) This video did not help me with my worries, sure, but it is something that needs to be said, by AT LEAST SOMEBODY in this world, thank you❤
Terminally online, mentally ill, no critical thinking skills, easily swayed by the loudest and convenient narrative...
I just want to have fun on the internet, man. Is that too much to ask? Apparently, it might be.
After we win the culture war.
Until then you are drafted.
The thumbnail is what summoned me. I was like; "Is that Ishmael from Limbus Company?"
Fishmael
1. I love you(Non-para socially)
2. THANK YOU FOR TALKING ABOUT THAT DAMN CONTROVERSY!! Having [Moon Channel] being the only video that was up to date on it, was infuriating to say the least, especially with him leaving out some crucial information, and admitting of having twisted the truth in previous videos.
And while I would like to have the link to the G.D, I’m guessing you won’t be sharing it until it’s 100% correct, if at all.
3. I just want you know that the majority of PM’s fandom will fight tooth and nail to keep you around, if not for the fact you know a lot of the C.C in the community, then for the entertainment of watching you eat your own words(Like with Fraudgilius).
While I won’t be able to watch your streams(time constraints), I know whatever video you put out will be entertaining...
...even if I’m late like this comment, until then, I hope you find what you wish for, see ya!