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- Canto five absolutely cooked. I was wondering how they were gonna follow the masterpiece of chapter 4 and they somehow followed that masterpiece. This story is so beautiful, Project Moon should stand proud, they can cook.
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And now.., ishmaels base ego quote changes
Originally the quote was "that bastard.. has to still be alive"
Now they will say: "this.. is how i will chart my own path"
Really? That's cool!
@@SirFailureyup the line change the moment you done with ahab
My interpretation is that Ahab believes that her crew is an extension of her, and Ishmael especially is like her 'successor'. If Ishmael had killed Ahab, she would symbolically BECOME Ahab, so when she then kills the whale after, it's symbolically Ahab that kills the whale, and the second best outcome for Ahab. Instead, Ishmael proves to her that she is nothing like her by letting go of her vendetta, before kill-stealing the Whale out from under her.
Watching this gaslighting bitch who had everyone by the balls this entire time completely break down into a delusional ball of coping and seething, screaming orders at a crew that no longer exists, was one of the most satisfying moments in storytelling I've ever experienced.
Ishmael steal kill the whale from ahab lol
Ahab: THAT WAS MY KILL
Ishmael: cope and seeth
Fun fact: If you fail the skill check, you actually get a second chance, after all...
“A delayed answer isn’t bad”
with less buffs but yes
@@AlphaAceEX didn’t know that, so thanks!
Tfw Ish's coin power total is 8 less than the required total so you think it was a scripted loss....
@@Dadan-dan well the second one is guarenteed win however
@@AlphaAceEX yeah, that's why I thought the first coin toss was a scripted loss 😅
fun? fact: You cannot see clear Ahab's E.G.O sprite before the last fight, but if you brighten up the sprite, you can see the faces of Pip, Starbuck and Queequeg on the gas tanks. Also, if you look at Ahab's SD sprite closely when she uses Pip's ego, the oar somewhat resembles the side face of Stubb, the very reason why he felt guilt and gone crazy
I love the fact that Ahab didn't even have the moment where she's tempted by Carmen, she *"tunnel visioned"* SO HARD that not even a supernatural force capable of influencing everyone in the city is able to make her change her mind even a little bit.
I can imagine Ayin laughing his ass off over to the side while being handed 5 dollars because he won the bet
Ahab simply selected the option to skip Carmen's dialogue
@@iftyive6094 Carmen didn't even Show up for this.
Ahab’s will is so strong she literally shouted above the voice of the distortion lmao
Carmen was offline lol
*I lost with my team comp, it's clearly not a skill issue.*
*Therefore, it's Ishmael's fault.*
take my like you fuck
About why Ahab didn't care if Ishmael kills her
One theory I saw was that if Ishmael follows her obsession that she should kill Ahab blindly, she is just like the other crew mates in Pequod that Ahab consider as "Ahab". So even if she dies and Ishmael kills the whale it would still be "Ahab" killing the whale. When Ishmael accepted the offer to kill the whale in exchange to killing Ahab afterwards, Ishmael is already "Ahab".
But Ishmael found herself by deciding to let Ahab live and kill the whale as her own decision instead to take away the purpose of Ahab. It would be Ishmael killing the whale instead of "Ahab" killing it. So Ahab didn't really care if she dies as the "Ahab" would still live on as Ishmael as long as Ishmael follows her blind obsession
I feel like it honestly wouldn't be strange if Ahab's EGO would spring a trap on Ishmael if she did go through with it via HxH style nen conditions. We already know it that it functions on people who got utterly gaslit by Ahab into being her 'tools'. There's bound to be effects on people who Ahab would call 'one and the same', making it literal.
@@2sword The whole fight Ahab had been gaslighting Ishmael so that she would be overwhelm by her guilt. It would make sense if the purpose of that is to let Ishmael lose her sense of self and be consumed by Ahab's EGO. Ishmael was this close to losing herself showing by her being consumed by the pallid membrane from the whale(or Ahab). It was the sinners(Heathcliff and Dante in particular) that held Ishmael back from being consumed and finally found herself. If Ishmael continued her obsession towards Ahab and decided to actually kill Ahab, she might actually be consumed by GasHarpoon as she's one of the same as Ahab now.
Ahab legit gaslight, gatekeeped, and girl bossed her way to an ego
Ahabs ego is literally making the crew a part of her,ahab considered everyone as an extension of herself.I think she kinda has a twisted care for the crew as heroes in her story
Ahab really went through the 5 stages of grief in 5 dialog boxes
And she absolutely fucking _deserved_ it
Also, my guess on what Meursault is holding is one of those XP tickets
@@ultrio325its the hair coupon
@@epicidex1006damn, guess we'll be seeing mersault with freshly combed hair because he'd absolutely only use that thing to get his hair combed
@@epicidex1006 Praying that next time we see Mersault appear in the story he will be sporting a glorious mane of hair
@@ixtiander999 my man is gonna enter the world of the luscious 🙏
idk why but it was adorable when ishmael called dante her compass such a wholesome moment
Well compass kinda looks like a clock
@@daboss4318compass also have needle like clock
From clockface to compass face, I call that a digimon evolution.
Ahab (when she appears in the final canto's Boss rush): HAD YOU NOT SPARED ME YOUR TURN COUNT WOULD ONLY BE HALF AS LONG, YOU HAVE NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME BUT YOURSELF, ONCE AGAIN THE FAULT LIES WITH YOU ISHMAEL!
Ishmael: what the fuck....
She's really that bicycle and stick meme
If you fail the check, it just says, "Perhaps a delayed answer... is not such a bad idea, after all.", or something like that and guarantees the next try.
My eyes are wet? Clearly the fault lies entirely with Ismael.
seems like the fault lies entirely with you Ismael again!
Gotta love how Ahab was picked up by Hermann. We already know that Hermann is likely planning on destroying every reality outside the main timeline from Yi Sang's story, so its very likely that shes bullshitting to get her on board the boat. Ahab is very likely going to be the victim of the same kind of relationship she had with her crew, and it's every bit deserved even if Hermann is an asshole for doing it.
from gaslighter to gaslighted
Ahab:"Ishmael moving on from her obsession? NO! I don't want that! I want her to stay obsessed with me till I am gone! Even after I am gone! For ten years at least"
Hermann:"Wow, that was really pathetic"
I'm betting that Ahab starts to hatefully obsess over Ishmael, labelling her a Whale.
And then we see Ishmael just...not caring and just killing her, no complicated, intense emotions. No hateful desires. Just straight up killing Ahab.
I think the fact that Ishmael will never return that hatred and will instead look towards the future with her friends will drive Ahab FUCKING WILD.
@@steveweighnermaybe gonna be our first case of ego user going absolutely sideways
@@pifilixxiv3192 A part of me really wants a Phillip scenario, but for someone who really deserves it(Ahab). Like, I know it's not the same, but I want to imagine that as time goes on, we see Ahab spiral further and further out of control, obsessing over being stronger than Ishmael, trying to take things away from Ishmael, trying to reassert herself into Ishmael's life again as the main focal point.
And then when it inevitably fails, again and again, Ahab is so caught up in her hatred, her vitriol for Ishmael, that when Hermann betrays her (and I know she will, it's basically already in the works), Ahab will just go berserk and distort right then and there.
And again, we see Ishmael, just really not caring, taking things in stride, looking towards the horizon with her friends, and generally being happier with her life now.
@@steveweighner oooh thats such a bitter sweet thingi love it
@@steveweighner
Ahab "I am YOUR whale! I am the source of all your evils! SO WHY DON'T YOU EVEN LOOK AT ME!"
Distorts
There's one little detail I really like about the very end.
Ahab loses her title in the UI as Pequod Town Captain.... UNTIL Hermann brings back the possibility of getting to kill the Pallid Whale. Then she gets it back.
As much as I like the Farmwatch fight, this one is also just as good. The heartbeat, the guitar riff, the sounds of synths like sonars, dolphin and whale calls. If Fly, my wings’ strong suit is in the lyrics, Compass’ instruments slaps way harder. Not to mention the strings and piano in Ishmael’s Sarajinae
Absolutely, that guitar goes so goddamn hard.
@@generalgarchomp333 I love that guitar so fucking much
30:46 Ishmael is a grade 9 washed up (literally) fixer! Loland id confirmed!
funnier still considering the VA is also the VA for angelica iirc
That shit would be amazing
A short haired Ishmael rocking Rolands drip
Ishmael's decision reminds me of both previous Project Moon games. Ahab isn't *technically* wrong (that's just how gaslight works), and Ishmael is justified in wanting to enact her revenge. But, just like Angela or Roland would've played into the hand of the City, the correct choice for Ishmael doesn't lie in taking a life, either. That's for the Library, as for the Lobotomy Corporation - well, Angela couldn't be done with Ayin before the Seed of Light is done, so the only other option would be to steal his life's work, and for Ishmael that works too.
I thought this fight was supposed to have 4 phases, where the extra phase goes before Pip is loaded, and the gem has a yellow color.
People say Ahab should've Distorted after Ishmael's big act. But the thing is, Ahab is too self-centered to hear anyone's voice except her own, and Carmen can't give her *the* Pallid Whale to harpoon.
Given that Hermann intends to destroy the Mirror Worlds, I foresee an event in the future where her interference changes our Identities. For example, we lose Shi Ishmael and Shi Heath now has negative coins.
it is understandable to think she should distort since her did get broken and had nothing to live for but even the past memory dialogue forgot who said it but ahab never entertained anyone opinion story wise makes sense once you think about it
I think she didn’t distort because she’s gaslighting herself, and still think that her actions were completely justified what is the main things that causes distortions is regret
Hm, their is still a good chance that we see her Distortion in the Future. After all, she no longer has a crew to burn for her EGO and she might be more acceptable of listening to Carmen now. It didn't happen immidiatly because she was too much in shock and went full delulu.
20:35 no matter how little sanity nclair has, he will always roll heads on self-destructive purge lol...
genuinely, i fucking love the interactions between ishmael and heathcliff in this chapter.
they hate each other, but inspire the best in each other. it's brilliant.
They mirror each other so bad it hurt
38:35 "Now we have become one and the same, Ishmael!(27:29)" My interpretation is that Ahab saw that Ishmael was becoming exactly like her. If Ahab couldn't kill the whale, she would at least settle for someone who had "become Ahab" killing the whale instead, since it would still be "Ahab" killing the whale (Similar to how she considers her crew to not be separate beings from herself -- "they are already Ahab"). However, by ignoring her grudge and *not* killing the target of her anger, Ishmael showed that she was not, in fact, "Ahab," so the whale was killed by someone else.
I'm reminded of earlier line from when Ishy was drowning in oil:
"Do you think whales are lonely... which is why they rewrite others to become in their likeness?"
38:40
ahab was so far gone that she believed ishmael killing her would have made her "ahab," and thus, if ishmael had then killed the whale afterwards, "ahab" would have still killed the whale. Ishmael refusing to kill ahab proved without a doubt that she wasn't "ahab" though, which means that she achieved nothing, and went crazy as her entire life's meaning crumbled down around her.
Really loved Canto 5, for sure my favorite right now and Gaslight Grandma was awesome
I really like the detail at the post-credit scene where Ahab is so broken, a shell of herself, that her Captain title above her name in the text box is simply gone, then it comes back when Hermann mentions more Pallid whales. Really small detail that is just pretty cool
Gaslight Gatekeep Grandma
She took everything from her crew. Mind, body, soul and even EGO...
ego is desire so pretty much mind, just manifested physically
She is quite metaphorically a "whale", doing the very same thing the pallid whale does to those it consumes. It's why the crew was able to resist the paallid whale, because they were already "Ahab-whale's" mermaids.
@@kyoken8691what if ahab distorts into a whale next time we meet her
I know ego should protect someone from distorting but she was using the ego of others as fuel so that could be a loophole
I mean she also had her reason for existing taken away from her and is currently only hanging on by gaslighting herself
So fun fact! There's only 2 Ishmael ID who can pass that check, R ish and base Ishmael who rolled exactly 20 as well.
That's so cool
I'm glad I'm using R Ish
Oh so that’s why my mollar boatworks ishy couldn’t do it
I was using LCCB Ishmael in this fight and I gotta say you’re kind of wrong; the first check can’t be passed by most yes, but you get a second try that’s easier.
@@fabiospasiano9885pass that check is the key word, so of course the 1st check is the specific check being mentioned.
I gotta say Project Moon has been giving us some top tier Ishcliff material. I can't wait for the next chapter when we meet Cathy and start the shipping wars.
Gonna call it now: something will happen to Cathy in such a way that to cope, Heath will have to go to Ish for comfort.
@@ITAndroMedian Exactly what i had in mind as well. I'm not really interested in these "shipping" business, but i think Heath's story, or it's conclusion, will be just like you said or something close. As for Dante, he was there for Ishy in her Canto because he felt a deep empathy for her, not because of a romantic feeling that people wanted or hoped for.
@@justmibI don't know why but I feel Cathy is going to get killed by the middle because of those damn hair coupons Heathcliff stole
I think Cathy probably will have been married off to someone else while Heath is gone, and Heath will go full crazy yandere mode like how he became in the books, only to somehow calm down by the end of the canto
Oh boy, I hope Cathy and Heath has toxic relationships just like in book
Knowing that the middle gonna hunt us anyway we should give the hair coupons to Ishmael knowing how much she care about her hair now.
I did not think PM could top canto 4, and yet they did, somehow.
Also uh, as symbolically important as it was for Ish to not kill Ahab, we really should have killed her lmao.
Congrats on beating the check the first time! If you had failed it, you would have gotten a “second chance” (you can’t loose it) and gotten less bonuses after a nice voice line.
I like Ish's choice. Even ignoring character development reasons, it's a way better revenge to rob someone of everything that gave their life meaning and allowing them to continue a meaningless existence than rob them of their life.
As far as anyone knew, Ahab should have died. She was stuck in a dying whale sinking to the bottom of the Great Lake while undergoing a mental breakdown. That'd be like if Emporer Sidious from Star Wars survived being electrocuted and than thrown down a long fall in an exploding Death Star.
Oh...
I think robbing someone purpose of life is even cruel tho.
@@mitacestalia7532i mean you know what...Ahab did right?
I still personally love Canto 4 more, but that's just me
Although I felt like "Fly, my wings" had a better emotional payoff in the moment,
after having time to really take in everything, the fight, the scenes and the song,
"Compass" just keeps getting better everytime I hear it.
And Ishmael's "Sarajinae" after is cathartically completely earned.
I really like how Ahab was defeated she was extremely strong-willed and at the end it seems like after her whale was taken from her she didn't have enough willpower to climb a simple rope and I love how Ishmael defeated Ahab buy deliberately not killing her kind of reminds me of Roland and that's basically always a good thing.
Ahab had a COMPLETE mental breakdown and it was so satisfying to watch. All her confidence washed away to reveal who she really was, a mentally unhinged old lady.
This fight, was fucking brilliant, and we got a banger Milli song out of it too
I'm not sure if i should be scared/worried or not with the fact that *younger Ishmael looks like she came straight out of Chainsaw Man*
I thought it was fancy ice cream cones or cups but I just realized Heath bought whale perfume instead of ice cream. Hope Cathy likes fishscent.
Meursault had the hair coupon at the end, he was just carefully thinking about his options
Something I brought up in the prior videos was that despite Ishmael thinking she'd broken free, Ahab had still been influencing her this entire time.
After the incident with the whale, Ishmael: Started using a Harpoon, replaced her soft manner of speaking with a stern and commanding tone, likewise also becoming more commanding, she also grew out her hair, something that Queequeg mentions the past Ishmael thought was just a burden. She also developed an all consuming obsession with killing her 'Whale'. Just like Ahab.
We see it get worse as soon as the Palid Whale makes itself known. Like we literally watch her chapter by chapter lose what little Sanity she has left, until we're witnessing her making her own 'Ahab' speech while commanding the rest of the sinners to row into its mouth.
Combine that with the events of this fight, where Ahab goes 'They are already 'Ahab"' and blames Ishmael every chance she gets during the battle, I think she was, in her own twisted way, trying to turn Ishmael into herself, perhaps even her successor. And if Ishmael killed Ahab, it wouldve sealed her fate as the new 'Ahab'. And since she was 'Ahab', even if the original died, 'Ahab' would kill the white whale, completing her goal regardless.
But through Dante of all people, Ishmael found herself, and killed the whale, not as 'Ahab', but as Ishmael, ruining Ahab's plan. A cruel twist of Fate but... Ahab definitely deserved it for what she has done.
Canto 5 has been great for a lot of reasons, but one thing that really stands out is how hard that POV shot of Ishmael approaching Ahab is. I hope we get to see something like that again at least once or twice because it was really cool.
Also, Tsunul had the exact same thought process I did with targeting the heart early and then targeting yourself when it didn't work- and seeing that again made me chuckle.
I did the same lol, even trying to target her "compulsion" debuff swirling next to her. Was funny to see someone go through the same thing.
Just because I haven't seen anyone else mention it... I understand the preference for short hair Ishmael, but it makes sense she let her hair grow, it makes her hair look like the sunset, which is even highlighted in that final cutscene, where she stands in front of the sunset. It's one of the few ties she has to her old crew.
PS: really been enjoying your gameplay and commentary for Limbus, one of the things I look forward to whenever a new Canto is out are your experiences and what you have to say, been following your content since the LoR days and I look forward to whatever is next
Originally it was to symbolise just how much of her had already become 'Ahab' during her quest of vengance, to where she was even starting to mimic her appearance and personality.
But i like that reasoning as to why she wouldnt cut her hair after the Canto
Just gonna say that I love the use of the little announcer box to have Dante interject rather than text on screen or in a skill check window. A lovely little twist on a familiar yet overlooked mechanic as PM often likes to do
I also feel like drawing a comparison between our last two bosses, dongrang and ahab. Dongrang was with us for the entire chapter to get used to, and largely unimportant to the actual fights we were having, whilst Ahab only appears in part 3 so all her characterisation has to fit into less dialogue (and it was wonderfully densely packed)
Yet I feel their presentation also matches their character to a certain degree. Dongrang, so scared of being left in the background or unable to achieve anything, was repeatedly sidelined for parts of chapter 4. Meanwhile Ahab’s presence is felt throughout the entirety of chapter through Ishmael. She may only show up in the dungeon but she has a grip on Ishmael that doesn’t let go until the end of the fight. By the time we met her we already knew a warped version of her, and she turned out to be even more twisted in ways Ishmael couldn’t show us
It is the little details that bring magic to the story
GOD that entire fight is SUCH peak, and that final scene where she harpoons the heart with Queequeg's spirit/soul always makes me tear up. I cannot put into proper words how absolutely fucking beautiful the end of Canto 5 is.
Also GOD DAMN Ishy's VA has an amazing singing voice 👏👏👏
Canto 5 does tie the perception that Ishmael is boring into a neat little bow.
Because her obsession did take away just about everything that there could be to her and now she's free to discover herself and who she is.
Compass leaves rent free in my head, it's just so good.
That "I've... Had enough, I'm reclaiming myself" hits so hard and of course "My Compass is curiosity!" Is just perfect.
Can't wait to see how much Ishmael changes in the coming chapters, specially as we've seen Sinclair and Yi Sang slowly change. Also hot take, the one breaking Ish out of her cocoon should've been Dante, a lot of time in this chapter is spent in the relationship between the two and Ish calling Dante his new compass paired with this would've been great (Also would've made NGrider get an EGO)
On one hand a NGrider gains an EGO(Bad idea)
On the other, he Distorts(Worse Idea, but funny)
@@Tam-EzracNGrider distorts into a whale so that Ishamel would pierce his whale heart
Ngridee can just self insert as Dante lol
39:00 so my interpretation is basically this:
During the whole fight we see that Ahab is a very selfish person who prides herself in having very clear-cut and absolute ideals. Thus she forces them onto her crew and they essentially become her. Much like how in the original book the crew eventually was fueled by the same madness who led Ahab to kill the whale. This is further reinforced by her crew literally putting their lives on her hand and them literally becoming Ahab by the process of her EGO.
Now what she means by wanting Ishamel to kill her is very simple. As you pointed out, Ahab is the White whale of Ishmael. Meaning that if Ishmael killed Ahab she would have done nothing but further reinforce Ahahb's way of life and how right she truly was. But also, just like the crew merges with her as they follow her ideals and abandon theirs, Ishmael too would have become Ahahb. Not literally in this case Ahahb would still be dead but you get the gist.
She wanted to kill Ishmael but the more they fought and the more she saw that they were one and the same (during the fight at least) so in the end, to Ahab it was either killing the Whale herself, or killing it thought Ishmael (Ahab). By seeing Ishmael refusing her ideals, not hunting HER white whale, she has gone against everything Ahab believed in and "someone else" ended up killing Ahab's whale.
Damn, Ishmael breaking Ahab with that kill steal, but why do i feel like we created a new "Philip", just way more angry.
Time to get off this lake a.s.a.p. with our new moral compass, we will need it in *Canto 6 Heathcliff*
I have a little theory about the enemy EGO's we've seen so far:
They all have been called Effloresced EGO [Blank], correct?
Perhaps it's because they developed under the influence of The Golden Bough and if we fight a natural EGO User they will just be called EGO [Blank].
The whole beginning of the canto was Ishmael becoming Captain Ahab, on an obsessive journey of revenge, in the end Ishmael was able to move forward with greater peace of mind and Ahab will continue to be obsessed.
So one of my main focuses this canto has been well dante. In canto 1 and 2 he didnt manage to do anything in canto 3 he managed to help sinclair but he did not manage to understand him,id say canto 4 was the big stride forward with dante but he was still quite passive then HE BECOMES THE GOAT at canto 5 he both understood ishmael and actively helped her to the point where the one member of the limbus with probably the most bottom of the barrel disgustingly traumatising experiences with authority trusts dante like a compass. All im saying is peak character development though it could also help that dante and ish kinda got along from the start if i had to say who dante has had the most positive experience working its probably gregor(but gregor is just chill like that) and ishmael and her not fearing telling the truth (cough cough proffesional boot licker outis).some other notes about this chapter is and id never thought id ever say this ryoshu is actually kinda likable now,faust is standing menacingly at the back in the shadows in the credits and yi sang wholesomely trying to be friends with everyone is so funny
The reason we didn't get Farmwatch Outis... Is you, Ishmael!
Can't wait for cliff's chapter, it's gonna be fire when he uses his wife's corpse to beat up anything in his cutscene for the chapter fr fr
You know, Maybe Ishmael is the first sinner to actually be completely done with everything, Yi sang had a good development, but he still need to fix his other wing and Sinclair still needs confidence, but she is completely done and even her Ego background on the last scene of the dungeon is completely in peace(I would personally love to see they changing her ego art like with the ego voice line), she is a full reabilitate sinner.
Also, I bet that in Heathcliff canto we will see what's inside the Bodysack.
Cathy💀
@@ananda9404 Even if everything is good with Ishmael now, Ahab will come back to chase her new "whale". I wonder if this new Whale will be Ishmael.
@@theoldmanofthemountain7514 Nah, Ahab gonna after Dante to chase the REAL whale, the players. She's seen how much monet you've handed over, and she think about it even as she (non) sleeps.
@@blazichaos7181 AHAHAHA You got me! 🤣
I had such a big (and probably ridiculous) smile at the end seeing Ishmael finally being herself and have a genuine smile after being on the edge for a while and seeing Dante's character having a development as well is really nice.
This canto was amazing and I hope PM will make the next cantos as the same quality as this one if not better.
honestly i see those last moments of the fight "the moment were true revenge was made", ish got an even sweeter revenge when she took everything Ahab worked towards at the very last second while also rejecting the past influence she had in her life leaving an empty husk in the wake of the whale's death
The fact that you mostly stayed quiet during the last part of dialogue really says something about this Canto. And that Heathcliff scene, we are eating good.
manifesting a scene in canto 6 mirroring heathcliff tearing ishmael out of the coccoon (which itself is already mirroring queequeg throwing ishmael the rope inside the whale). Perhaps something with heathcliff literally or metaphorically buried in a coffin, since him having cathy's coffin opened to see her after death is a famous(ly exaggerated) scene in wuthering heights (and he has both his and her coffins modified so they'll be laying together in death), and ishmael digging him out. I know you want to do it project moon 🙏
Canto 5 was absolutely amazing. The story of Ishmael, the Middle, and the Great Lakes were all so intriguing. So far the Great Lakes is the coolest place in the City to me just because there is so much untapped potential on what can be found there. Sucks we can’t see more of them but the Whales we did see were pretty cool.
Dante’s confidence in this chapter was very refreshing. Not only has he gotten better at clapping back he has also gotten better at stumbling through this world without his memories
I also find it funny that Ahab was the ultimate gaslighter so much so that her E.G.O. was called gasharpoon 😭
Actually, can we talk about Ishmael's hair for a bit? I know I sound like a simp or something but there's something I noticed thinking back on it (or at least, it's my interpretation of things)
Which is pretty much the reason it's how it is: Queequeg.
Allow me to elaborate, throughout all the flashbacks we've seen Ishma has had her hair short ( a contrast so glaring it rivald Angela's own transition from long to short), and when Starbuck recognized her after nearky Harpooning Ahab when we first arrived to Pequod Town he mentioned how she always said that longer hair was impractical thus she'd never style it that way. Which then begs the question, why does she have it?
Well, recall the conversation between her an Queequeg on deck, Ishma is pretty much the reason she likes sunsets and why similarly to a Dying Whale looking for it, a sunset would be the last thing she'd want to see. So taking this AND the fact that Ishma thought she died like the rest of the crew (Sans Ahab) on their first hunt, I could see Ishma letting her hair grow out so that it's easier to Queequeg to look at it from the afterlife since she died in a place where the sun can't reach, regardless lf whether or not she can (so a bit of like a way to mourn her)
Or something like that (feel free to let me know how wrong I am below)
Im surprised you didnt mention the seagull on a bike
Besids, Limbus player when sees something goes wrong: *The fault lies with you once again, Ishmael!*
ohhh its evil defining time
I wonder if your going to do a video essay for Canto V, but one thing I enjoyed the most is how the fact that Ismael visualized herself being in a cocoon, as it means they don't know what to do or don't have a purpose or a path to follow. In the final battle we see that the pallid membrane covered her like a cocoon, and it was Heathcliff that helps her break out. Like the time where Queequeg saves her from the whale oil and the rope and blinding lights representing there bond and a future. But because Queequeg thought she Ismael was dead she buried in mind meaning snapping the bond they had. Captain Ahab, manipulation and obsession was the only thing keep her crew from becoming mermaids, and since Queequeg wasn't able to defy her order's she never was able to make her own chooses or had desires so in a sense she didn't break free from her cocoon. The motif of compass is used a lot, as how Ahab will use her own crew as sacrifices to go towards her goal like a compass will do, and the whole idea as the Mili song call compass, says " my compass was swallowed by the sea" show how Ismael didn't have a reason to continue if she had achieved her goal. Her obession to kill Ahab was at first the only thing driving her the entire chapter, but like how Ahab would had predicted she was just going to follow in her plans, not choosing it herself. Ahab compared how they are similar where she was hunting the Pallid whale, Ismael was hunting a pallid whale with Ahab face on it. As most sinners overcame there trauma in the end, Ismael decides not to kill her as a show of her letting go of that obession that was haunting her. In the end Ismael still seeks to follow her own path, but while there mission / journey is to collect all the golden boughs, she wants to see it until the end. Lastly, her trust in Dante was restored in this chapter and decide to go with them as he became her compass for the time being. I can't wait to see Heathcliff's chapter as I wonder if Ismael will play an important role in helping him overcome his problems. If I made any mistakes in my analysis feel free to point them out.
The analysis video will essentially be a video essay.
I hope that when the Sinners run into Hermann's group again, Ishmael sees Ahab and goes "Who?"
I wonder if there is a stage EGO can reach after effloresced. Also thank you meursalt and gregor for making this fight easier for me
Pretty sure it means the ego is complete
Fun fact Ishmael's based ego quote changes after canto 5
I find it rilly cool to see ahab practicaly having a hybrid EGO. Having the EGOs of her crew mixing with her. makes me wonder if Red mist can technicaly be counted as a hybrid. as she has her personal EGO armor but the EGO weapon of nothing there. (also makes me wonder what her actual personal weapon whould have been if mimicry dident overwrite it)
In hindsight, this makes me realise that Ishmael's 'Snagharpoon' E.G.O was never truly her own. It came about during/after Ahab had already influenced her mind and desires, and we already know how Ahab relates her Crew to Harpoons...
Makes me wonder what Ishmael's 'pure' E.G.O wouldve been.
Ishmael also has a floatsam-like shield for the shield-bash portion of Snagharpoon. Likely from Queequeg's coffin?
I believe Ahab wanted Ishmael to stab her because by doing so she would turn into Ahab, so when Ishmael kills the whale after Ahab it would still be her victory.
i am very for thankful youtube recommendation for randomly recommended on your play trough for library of ruina and L corp series ,make me remember that back then during my high school i pirated L corp game lol, and make me deep dive to the entirre series of PM, Really best experience both and gameplay and story
and yes i bought both OF LoR and LCorp game including the dlc since i really like the game and story so much, and buying BP for limbus when i have spare money to spend to support PM
Can we talk about the Seagull at the end credit? They are really going to train seagull for the generator, and Ryoshu though that was artistic in someway.
31:09 Sinclair casually corrods off-screen
And just like that, canto v made Ishmael my favorite character
WILLLLLSON!
The Fault lies with you, Ishmael!
bro just completely skipped the hardest part with a god turn.
Congrats for completing the canto! Can't wait for the review!
45:45 I only now noticed Hong Lu is havign Shrimp snacks. (Also faust is training the seagull to pedal?)
I believe Heathcliff is holding the mermaid perfume, which reminds me that we never got to use the hair coupons. Is.. Is he trying to posh up before meeting Catherine?
49:55 I think it is a ship. And... it looks VERY armed, armed enough to pretty much explode the shit out of whale's carcass to smitherins floating all over Ahab. Which makes me wonder, how much influence does new League have, to have the Head let it slide with that many guns?
Oh, you are right. Yeah, the guns are only supposed to be below a certain caliber, penetration power, etc. as well. Did the artist forget when drawing a warship that the Head is incredibly harsh on that stuff? Or is that some foreshadowing that the New League is going to get a rather nasty surprise? Probably during the final battle with them, honestly.
@@afarce4172 there was mention of Artillery during the smoke-war as well. So big gun emplacements aka cannons in this case might have a different set of rules. The fact that they’re also a Corp instead of an individual person/workshop might also apply.
It’s not too much different from IRL where Civilian gun owners and well… the PMCs/military have different rules for gun ownership.
I know Ahab having her meltdown after Ish killed the Pallid Whale is great, but look at it this way.
A Distortion is usually created from a breakdown of one's world views, like Yan realizing nothing he did mattered and he had no free will. Ahab having her very reason to exist and life's purpose robbed from her should have turned her into a distortion on the spot. But Ahab's will is so fucking iron she could delude herself into thinking it was still alive out there, her belief of that so steadfast and genuine Ahab kept her EGO manifested instead of losing it or distorting. Even in the state she was in when Hermann found her she still had it. That's got to be worth something.
Also fun detail on that scene with Hermann. Ahab loses her special title and color when she's first talking, but once Hermann brings up the idea of there being other Pallid Whale's it causes Ahab to gain her Captain of Prequod Town title and green name color back.
GasHarpoon's a bit of an odd fight in my experience. If you don't level up your Sinners Sanity fast enough, Ahab can really snowball and become almost unstoppable with her insane Sanity restoration since your Sinners won't be winning any clashes to restore sanity. It kind of forces you to spam Fluid Sack or any sanity restoration move if you want to even out the fight right away.
Also she hits really hard sometimes. Pip's attack will insta-stagger anyone not a tank if you let it get off, Starbuck's just fucking murders and outclashed some attacks it really shouldn't have for me sometimes, and I don't remember the issue with Queequeg but I'm pretty sure it hit hard, too.
It's funny. The Ahab, Starbuck, and Queequeg fight is arguably harder but GasHarpoon took me way more tries until I gave up on my self imposed rules and spammed Fluid Sack to restore sanity and force the fight back into my favor. It makes me feel guilty to spam one of the strongest EGO to win a fight, but GasHarpoon was getting on my nerves and I was still sick at the time of fighting.
You need to deplete the shield on Queequeg or else Ahab won't lose the Aggro and she will insta-kill the person she targets with Prey mark. After you lose the shield on Queequeg, you can basically attack and damage Ahab.
Oh my god the ending of this chapter was so amazing and so cool at the same time, a thing i have not completed this chapter yet because im stuck at the big brother bossfight but when im done with this chapter, the ending will still be amazing even if i seen it alot, thanks to PM to give us this amazing ending.🎉
Tips for big bro:
Bring blunt damage. Everyone in that fight is weak to blunt damage, and you need to kill BB as fast as possible
Bringing people resistant to blunt is good too because they all deal blunt damage
Stall in the first 2 fights a bit to farm ego materials, so you can spam ego in the end
You have to stagger BB twice or get him to half health to win the fight, so hard focus him. Preferably completely ignore his two grunts, but if you feel the need to deal with them, stagger them without killing them because killing them makes Bb even stronger
Seriously focus fire Bb as much as possible. Use hard hitting EGOs to get past his high Evade so that you can freely hit him in the face
Ishmael literally can’t die in this fight until everyone else is dead, so if worse comes to worse, use her to tank stuff
15:43 Ahab literally did the gunshot meme on Ishmael
I came back to playing Limbus(My friend was streaming Canto VI and I was tempted.). Since I finished this Canto I've literally been listening to Compass on loop definitely one of my favorite Mili songs. I'm gonna watch your Canto VI vids once I finish it for myself since I'm mostly unspoiled. Cheers!
The heathfish ship is real
I am so glad I've decided to grind extra hard to finish this Canto before watching the video, made me feel accomplished
Fan fact: You can see a fish bowl or something in the background in between hermann and Ahab 48:40
What, Wilson? Don’t worry about him, he’s a great guy.
Who’s… who’s Wilson
@@Sky_darts The volleyball from the Castaway.
Man, thanks for these videos. Ishmael's always been my favorite in Limbus and this Canto felt both great and anxiety inducing lol. I also liked how the skill check had Heathcliff & Sinclair speak in it, Ishmael's whole mental streak this chapter felt like it influenced both of them during it. They really do be messing with us shippers though, all the scenes towards Queequeg really tore at my heart too.
'Compass' & Ishmael's 'Sarajinae' were way prettier than I was ready for too, I wonder if we're going to be getting a Mili song next Canto though considering the news with their lead singer. Curious if they'll delay it for that if they feel the need.
O also i hope ryoshu's seagull is gonne be a reacuring character
I really like how the Choice prompt at the end Specificies wrath driving Ishmal forwards as mind whip the wrath skill is the only skill that could complete that first check.
Ishmael's story tells how we'd rather stick to what consumes us, as long as it's unwavering; much more preferable than terrifying, paranoid fear of heading int future with nothing firm to hold onto. Since chapter 1 she was looking so hard towards Dante being confident, unwavering, someone who knows what they're doing and who she can follow without fear of stranding. Since chapter 1 she was hoping Dante can be stronger than she is.
Someone mentioned that her conviction was so strong, it was overwriting the crew, so that the whale's influence could not take over - hence membrane grew over only after Ishmael made a dent in their blind devotion. Ahab's conviction was devouring their selves, but it was firm and unwavering: it was pointing the direction for them. And to those lost at sea, the lighthouse is only hope.*
Terror of uncertainty is so much harder to face.
We, too, know this feeling. The fear of going into future with doubts, the fear of unknown and heading into it all by yourself, with noone by your side. I would avoid and put away every smallest change in my life, unless i had something certain, steady rock to stand on. Something to grab tight, to weather the unknown. Something to pin the responsibility for showing me the way.
It was not a sad chapter, yet i could not stop crying for two days: with every chapter PM drills a hole in my heart - point blank where all the sores are - watching as all the dark and muddy feelings are flushed out, like residue sediment collected over years of being smothered inside. It's still scary to look ahead all by yourself and have to pick direction without anyone leading you... but we are capable. We definitely are.
*I now realized that Ishy would be one to fit Index ID: seeking something unshaken to point the way.
The orange light on Ahab's spear might be indication of how much Ishmael is being brainwashed
that thumbnail aged like milk in the immediate next canto
Canto 5 was amazing from start to finish, as an Ishmael fan from the start. Could'nt ask for more. ¿Did you knew that Ishmael quote on her base ego changes after the final fight of Canto 5?
Now other PM fans can't look at us like we are lame, Take that Outists.
I did see about that, it's pretty cool.
50:00 Wait a second..... is that a painted volleyball floating in the wat-
DID THEY PUT WILSON REALLY!
The fact that you speed run this version of Ahab shows how this fight was very different from her normal form. You also passing that first check in this boss fight. 🎉🎉 congratulations are in order. GG Mr. Manager Tsunul, GG.
as cute as short hair is, including on ishmael, i love her long hair
I wonder if there will be a fanbase for ahab, like with kromer
The saying "We love older women" exists for a reason.
Faust brooding in the corner in the end cg is real ominous though
She spent all night training that seagull
Gaslightharpoon
Majority of old or mature women made by Project moon: *Gaslight*
Gaslight
Gatekeep
Girlboss
Fr tho, Blind Obsession is such a fitting theme and yet it was just a one-off boss fight
Ok, so I can’t be only who hears some of FF14’s soundtrack with the guitar rifts of [Compass], right?
One thing I noticed that made me confused was that we didn’t see Dante’s clock turn like we did with Yi Sang’s chapter.
Just something I expected to happen.
The counter bit in last phase, if no one else explained it, is based on the number if Queequeg EGO stacks Ahab has. For every 10 she has, she repeats it, which is why turn one it hit four times then the following turn it hit three times. Not a problem if you can easily clear her shield, but it can become an issue if she gets more stacks from the shield surviving two or more turns and refreshing.
Speaking of her Shield. It's baseline 10% if her max HP + .5% per Queequeg EGO stack so the first turn shield is really 25% of her HP.
19:00 You're the only person I've seen that succeeded the check there. I didn't even know you could succeed it.
23:10 we are so back boys