... And here you will remain - if Trump wins. His followers like to wave their flags and chant USA, but they are NOT patriots ... they are Nationalists and that ISN'T the same thing.
David Frum is a pundit, I appreciate what he says here. His former boss George Bush, is no pundit. But his silence on Trump, MAGA, and the decline that they have brought to discourse in his Country, is deafening.
The entire GOP has been working toward single party rule for decades they just didnt think someone like trump would be the head of the snake when that time came, they figure he is transitory, if they can use him to cement their Oligarchy with Theocratic control of the mindless drones so be it, he wil be dead in 10 years and they will have the type of control of the population they have always wanted. The only reason the Cheneys are so pissed off is he isn't onboard for their global ambitions.
How truly sad for Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson....for all the soldiers who died in WW1 & 2, in the Civil war, the Revolutionary war.....all their sacrifice, all their struggle to bring us to this point only to have us willingly, so easily and so mindlessly throw it all away. Our top top generals, DT's VP, all his top cabinet members and staffers all warned us....and we chose this. This is the end of America, the planet, Europe and our democracy.......
This isn't the end of all that. Destruction has been barreling toward us at high speed for decades. This may, however, be a lost chance to pump the brakes and figure out how to avoid destruction.
It's a lot to cope with. We must rest and take in what happened. Americans, many live paycheck to paycheck. The economy is a legitimate issue. We must take care of ourselves and each other for the time being until we look inward, and outward to analyze what happened, so we can come back stronger and win the next time! We don't just throw in the towel now. We must organize and survive!!
Certain Voting Americans don't want a Woman in Office. The 3 Demographic Groups that helped Trump Win the election were *69% White Women, Young White Males and Latino Voters. who Don't Care that this Election was about White Supremacy, Misogony and White Christian Nationalism that Trump protects* since they Feel that it does not affect them. *Those women don't think about abortion until they need it* which they have the Highest Rate of in the Nation.
David Frum is an old-style pre-Trump conservative. Even though he and I don't share the same ideological perspective, nevertheless, he's quite right about what an appalling alternative Trump is. The United States, and indeed the world, will guaranteed not be in a better place in four years' time if Trump is allowed back into the White House to wreak havoc again. Kamala is not perfect and will occasionally make mistakes but she's definitely not malignant like her Republican counterpart.
Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world." Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
Frum's brand of conservatism was only followed by the Bush administration, with disastrous results. Traditionally, Republican presidents were realists.
I am from the US and have watched this transition play out over the last 12 years. There are two processes I think that explain, one more important than the other. The less important is that the parties have become inverted. Starting with Sarah Palin and Ron Paul, when it became clear that the Democrat coalition would be difficult to defeat in an election, the GOP restyled itself as a counterculture brand. It proved that it would do anything to stay relevant. In fact it never stopped mutating and is unrecognizable. The party of the Republic now advocates for the biggest government footprint of them all - a despot whose ambitions for power are so grandiose as to not fit within any democratic model. (It is just disorienting enough to the voting public to represent a vulnerability to exploited by our near-peers.) The other and more important is Russia. It is no mystery to even the most casual observer. We have seen injustice and treachery like this prevail, even more extreme, several times in recent history. Each crime scene has the signature markings of violence perpetrated by only one possible actor - the bombing of civilians in Aleppo with chemical weapons, the first overt annexation attempt by a nation in February of 2022 since the signing of the UN Charter, the strangely timed provocation by Iran proxy Hezbollah and Hamas in a region that had been at least dormant if not peaceful for decades. Each case not coincidentally offends the humanist in all of us. It is highly thematic. You must look no further than Russia for an explanation of this demoralizing spectacle in US politics, which is its ultimate prize after losing the Cold War. We should not be surprised to see this contrivance overtake its intended victim. It is happening in broad daylight now. The well-characterized firehose-of-lies playbook (coupled with some old-fashioned propaganda) has been showcased for the world already. It was developed/optimized/deployed against a population of test subjects in Russia 10 years ago before it was exported to the US. Many people think we won the Cold War because of an inward focus on wellness as prescribed by the political scientist George Kennan and directly translated by Lyndon Johnson into Great Society investments which seemed to lay the groundwork for Russia's attenuation and collapse. How unoriginal therefore that our capitulation would result from the collapse of our domestic institutions in this manner. I suppose I am just speaking out because we will have to look into our children's eyes and ask for forgiveness. They will judge us harshly whether or not our generation gives itself a pass for its frailty or lack of awareness. There can be no diffusion of responsibility. We all have access to the same information. They trusted us with defending the free world.
pretty thoughtful and succinct synopsis. You could not have all of this if Ronny Raygun - had not made it popular for Americans to attack its own institutions. That metastasis eventually had to take hold - within those outsiders as you noted Sarah Palin. Ron Paul was an FSB asset there are a lot of them within the republican party .
Funny enough, Russia has already declared Trump the new president. Reuters reported. My state, a swing state, has only 58%of the vote in. But Reuters reported that Russia has declared that Trump will win the presidency at 2:30AM PT. Weird, how Russia knows what nobody else has officially claimed yet.
Interesting, but completely comprised of a propagandized mind. Trump representing a threat from grandiloquent thoughts of grandeur is simply what you've been programmed to believe from a steady diet of mainstream media. Stop wasting your time trying to sound educated and get informed from alternate news reporting.
Thank you for your sharp line of thoughts and observations. It seems to me that you have studied int./national politics intensively. I'd be interested to know if you have written any book on these matters.
As a Canadian who also appreciates our great neighbor I have never been overly concerned about whether a Republican or Democratic president becomes the leader of United States of America. Always the president was a person who placed his country above his own desires and needs. This held true for decades until the debacle of Donald Trump. Republicans and Democrats need to unite and vote for a future a future building on a solid democratic country. The choice is clear vote for democracy vote Democrat.
The worst since President Johnson, the vice president who took over after the Lincoln assassination. Actually the ongoing debate is who was more corrupt Johnson or Trump.
That sound like some utopian dream. I suppose a Canadian wouldn’t care about USA politics - who the president is or the party. The problem USA voters face is a choice between 2 extremes of ideologies. These may not immediately affect Canada, but it will catch up across your border….
@@antbrown9066 on the contrary, friend, as the late Prime Minister of Canada put it: "Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt," Canada has long been affected by the vagaries of U.S. federal decision-making
David Frum, a conservative, weighs in on the threat to democracy in the United States. He has a world view, a broader view than blindly picking party over country, he chooses morality over immorality. The world hopes people like Frum will prevail in their broader thinking and vote for Harris to protect America from an autocracy.
He’s a fake conservative. He’s a liberal, and Jewish. He is a Canadian citizen and lives in Toronto. He was one of the most vocal advocates of the Iraq war. His support for Israel is unflinching, even if it means the genocide of Palestinians. He is truly a cosmopolitan elite.
Well these people do. Have you ever heard of “gang mentality?” Individuals in a gang will behave in ways they would never normally. There is no shame anymore for the feelings and beliefs that these people have. They feel liberated and free to show this side of themselves and they have millions that support them. I’ve seen it in my own extended family and they don’t care if they’re hurting family or their grandchildren’s futures. They simply only care about themselves.
I agree with you and I’d add that JD Vance, and the interests behind him are even more dangerous. These are men that want to completely redesign the USA into their utopia. A country very similar to the nonfictional Gilead of Margaret Atwood’s Handmaids Tale which is based on a hodge-podge of actual real societies and practices that have occurred here on earth. Much worse than any modern oligarchy. Just look at Porject 2025, and any book or interview that these people have produced and what they want is clearly said. The amount of suffering would be exponentially worse. Vance can’t win an election so they’ll find another way.💙🇺🇸
America needs it allies, always has and always will it is in it's own best interest to do so, but Trump is already causing issues with that, don't fall asleep at the wheel.
Most of us who follow American politics know who this David Frum guy is. I know quite a bit about him. I can't express what I think about him for fear of getting kicked off this platform. That's all I'm gonna say.
Bravo to the interviewer. Good, thoughtful questions, showing he has researched the topics he covered. No interruptions, pontificating or challenging. Such an improvement to the grim, shallow, low hanging fruit interview we usually see. Well done Jack Tame!
Because it was propaganda more than it was an interview! A former aide to a warhawk in George W Bush ? Of course he wants to prolong the war in Ukraine! 🫡
It's pitiful how many people have not evolved away from cruelty and spectacle in this day and age. I've never heard anyone talk about this issue before.
Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world." Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world." Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
@@Soapandwater6Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world." Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
@@Soapandwater6Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world." Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
2:00 - David Frum is literally THE ONLY public figure who has stated bluntly and seriously that cruelty is a part of being human. FRUM'S FULL QUOTE BELOW - starts at 3:11 - "I think that some people find it exciting, look, the Colloseum in Rome stood for 500 years...there were 2 shows a week - apparently it was filled all the time...to watch people hacking each other into little pieces, or being devoured by wild beasts or burned at the stake. There is something in us that enjoys the spectacle of cruelty - that's just part of what it means to be human. There's another part, we hope, as we become more civilized, the more dominant part rejects cruelty. But cruelty is exciting...and Donald Trump offers a theatre of cruelty and of course it's mesmerizing." This is the most sensible - instantly recognizable as most likely, or even true - statement I've heard that actually makes sense of Trump's theatre of "Bread and Circuses" as a main motivation for people to follow him over the edge ----- "Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes" as Sting so eloquently put it in the song Synchronicity II. Synchronicity II lyrics: Another suburban family morning Grandmother screaming at the wall We have to shout above the din of our Rice Krispies We can't hear anything at all Mother chants her litany of boredom and frustration But we know all her suicides are fake Daddy only stares into the distance There's only so much more that he can take Many miles away Something crawls from the slime At the bottom of a dark Scottish lake Another industrial ugly morning The factory belches filth into the sky He walks unhindered through the picket lines today He doesn't think to wonder why The secretaries pout and preen like cheap tarts in a red light street But all he ever thinks to do is watch And every single meeting with his so called superior Is a humiliating kick in the crotch Many miles away Something crawls to the surface Of a dark Scottish loch Another working day has ended Only the rush hour hell to face Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes Contestants in a suicidal race Daddy grips the wheel and stares alone into the distance He knows that something somewhere has to break He sees the family home now looming in his headlights The pain upstairs that makes his eyeballs ache Many miles away There's a shadow on the door Of a cottage on the shore Of a dark Scottish lake Many miles away Many miles away Many miles away Many miles away Many miles away Song by - Gordon Mathew Sumner AKA -Sting of the band The Police
You have had record Republican Turnout because of Trump. You may dislike him but half of America will vote for him today... why is being excited for a Candidate something that scares you?
@@savagemadness77 It was good for corporations and the wealthy who got tax cuts. That's about it. I guess if you are opposed to abortion it was a win. That's not a big issue for me. I think it's a personal choice. Trump is an empty suit. Golfing and campaigning are his strengths. A poor businessman. No leadership (look at how he hid during covid, just as one example ). A poor administrator - there was lots and lots of turnover in his first Administration. Trump is a product of the swap. He said so himself campaigning in 2016. Nepotism and self serving actions are his trademarks. Under Trump America is for sale. Too bad so sad.
Donald Trump is a typical old white guy crank....I know more than a few of them....they think they can do better....dunning kruger effect. He is honestly nothing more than that.
But Certain Voting Americans don't want a Woman in Office. The 3 Demographic Groups that helped Trump Win the election were *69% White Women, Young White Males and Latino Voters. who Don't Care that this Election was about White Supremacy, Misogony and White Christian Nationalism that Trump protects* since they Feel that it does not affect them. *Those women don't think about abortion until they need it* which they have the Highest Rate of in the Nation.
Not that it would have helped. Americans are a flock of racist sheep with the memory span of fruit flies. They were always going to be conned. It was always baked in.
@antbrown9066 Mr. Frum is a Canadian political commentator whose mother was a well respected Canadian journalist. He is, in fact, a conservative thinker and has advised a republican president. He just also happens to be someone of integrity...perhaps the kind of person you aren't used to hearing from.
Like most Canadians, I have watched a Trump rally, and listened to Supporter’s comments in disbelief. These poor people have idea how they are being mislead. I hope they do not find out the hard way🙏
Trump winning the elections in the United States means that it is not just the climate that is changing, it is people too. We walked happily into the abyss.
"Right now, 2024, the American economy is at its strongest than probably any time since the 60s .. employment is at capacity, inflation has been overcome, wages are rising faster than prices, prices have ceased to rise, in some cases going in to reverse. The biggest problem the country faces is at the border, the flow of immigration, and that is produced by the giant 'we're hiring' sign that is blaring over the United States to the rest of the world. And obviously you have to regulate the flow of people, but the people are coming because they said this is the strongest job market on the planet. So we ought to be able to say yes, immigration is a problem, caused by the incredibly powerful dynamic American economy, which is why you vote for the incumbent, not the challenger" Excellent example of living in a bubble. But what is his excuse? A man at his level is expected to understand the reality of the situation. Instead he is in a fantasy land.
LOL - You mean the Current Administration must be punished and imprisoned for what they have done to our country and its citizens. They all about destruction of America and their AWFUL AGENDA. TRUMP 2024 ALL THE WAY!! THIS RED WAVE WILL PREVAIL!
He will be. I predict a Harris win in the likes of Reagan 1980. Read the article from 1980 Times magazine "Nation: Where the Polls Went Wrong". The election polls were very close all the way up to the last week when Reagan started seeing some points. In the end it was a landslide. Very similar to how Harris is now positioned.
Walk a mile in Ukraine or Gaza or any number of other places in the world, the USA lives in a little bubble, largely seperate from the issues that affect the rest of the world.
@@Walter-j9e You may well perceive the USA is already in chaos. Well if some of that may well be true, it's because a bratty little boy has been inciting people, provoking them every day.. Come on, you know you hate those people...they are the reason you can't find a job... they're taking your jobs, crowding your cities, stinking up the place. All of your country's problems are because of a certain group of people...And that nasty boy keeps saying, come on over to this side, it's ok to hate, it's alrighty to want the good ole days ..Listen to me, "I'm the chosen one" "Only I can save the world" ." They're poisoning the blood of our country". Listen to me, I can fix everything. When you're weak minded, full of rage and hate...and that petulant little boy says come on, choose me. I can make everything better. Well, they buy the lie. It's so insane. Trump loves to tell his little snake story. How does it end? Silly woman, you knew I was a snake. Well, you do. Are you going to willingly be bitten? 🤨
Dear David, so tell us what policy positions you think Trump will force that will be destructive to the American people? You know...the only conversation that *actually* matters?
Certain Voting Americans don't want a Woman in Office. The 3 Demographic Groups that helped Trump Win the election were *69% White Women, Young White Males and Latino Voters. who Don't Care that this Election was about White Supremacy, Misogony and White Christian Nationalism that Trump protects* since they Feel that it does not affect them. *Those women don't think about abortion until they need it* which they have the Highest Rate of in the Nation.
Anyone notice what David is wearing on his lapel? A Canadian poppy to honour ( Canadian and commonwealth) Rememberance Day Nov 11. Way to go David thank you for displaying your Canadian side.
“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.” ― David Frum
It was like the Democratic Party tossing Hand Grenades at the MAGA Republicans; and they just simply pulled the Pins and threw them back. Or inviting Dylan Roofe into your Church to pray with you. It’s truly disgusting that the Democrats haven’t learned in all these years that you can’t win a WAR with Slingshots and Bean Shooters.
I don't believe in never ending wars. Ukraine, Russia, Hamas, Israel. How about helping American citizens instead of funding these wars. Has humanity gone so downhill? Stop the bloodshed 😢
@@Solitaryman70 - There's nothing wrong with women being equal to men in wages and everything else--including their choice re reproduction. However, I agree that this insane embracing of the perversion of the genders is what would have made me think twice too--if I was an American. I feel sorry for everyone except Trump, Vance and the MAGA cult. Regular people are going to suffer horribly under Trump, I believe.
I'm here after the devastating election results. Seeing the pundits pander one way or the other tonight, this interview seems calming- just for the existence of a well explained intellect. The worst is yet to come. But despair isn't the time to lose hope, it is time to introspect, make our peace and come back stronger.
I wonder whetheŕ u wil get the chance to come back stronger...i doubt Trump has any intention of leaving the white in 4 yrs reģardless of any election, if allowed by then to take place. He will anoint himself as king.
I told people before he said it. The world need a balance. When a president don't stay in office for 8 yrs things become unbalanced. Common sense. When the ppl suffer these nxt 4 yrs. I'm laugh.😢😢
An excellent snapshot of the US political scene. David Frum’s assessment is as clear as it it wise. Thank goodness for his knowledge, experience and integrity!
@@hinx8288David Frum was part of Bush Cheney administration, which started two wars and tortured people and broke dozens of laws. Please don’t ever listen to David Frum!
harris would have easily won Pa had all these people from the other parties didn't foolishly vote for their candidates who had no chance in hell of winning. add those 65,000 votes to harris and shed have won.. gee, thanks guys.
One of the best assessments about the 2024 election in the US I have seen in recent times. The depth, knowledge, tempered analysis of both candidates and the main topics that are at stake for US and the world.
@@zackysullivan2088 The biggest problem is this: Many, many people, who could not be more different from DonOld Bone Spurs Trump, are blindly following him, because they are even more xstupidx than he is. How much different his voters are from Trump? Well, he’s a rich boy from NYC, who is always chauffeured in limousines and wears suits, being clean shaved, while many of his supporters (likely even most of them) are rednecks from rural America, who drive pickup trucks, wear baseball caps and have moustache and/or beards. He cares about his followers similarly to how we care about the toilet paper in the washroom, after we used it ..., while his followers insist on worshipping him ... The question, therefore, is: Who can open his followers' eyes and change their perceptions, so they are at last able to see the big, xcriminalx, xpussiesx grabber xFascistx xbuffoonx he really is? What a xhorriblex, xdisggustingx man. Instead of retiring and caring for his grandkids, he is trying to ruin the United State's democracy...
Thank you for your brilliant comment. I agree with just about everything you said and it’s rare to see anyone mention George Kennan in a comment section. If anyone knew Russia it was he because of all his experience there as a diplomat in the beginning of his career.
I don’t find anything entertaining about cruelty. I can’t understand anyone who does 😢
Most Hollywood blockbusters contain scenes of cruelty. They call it entertainment.
@@audioartisan so do the fans (the consumers) ... that's why it's in the films ...
Personality doesn't matter, issues do. Drama and fear by dems didn't work.
It's called sadism. It's a mental illness.
It's what I hate about Trump the most....his cruelty. His cultists, too. The racist patriarchy won last night, and the world lost.
Thank you for this intelligent and essential conversation. These are the questions and the conversations this country needs to be having.
Thanks that someone understood the situation and analyzed it well!!!
Excellent interview. Insightful perspectives from David Frum.
Justice delayed is Justice denied ! It took way too long to seek consequential accountability and here we are.
... And here you will remain - if Trump wins. His followers like to wave their flags and chant USA, but they are NOT patriots ... they are Nationalists and that ISN'T the same thing.
Evil prevails when good men do nothing
@@paulvr3158 And sometimes in spite of what good men do ...
@@bobbart4198 Looks to me like the US has some of the stupidest and most ignorant pple on earth.
If those who long for authoritarian rule should prevail, it might be interesting to see how they'd like it, living under it.
Just so. Reminds me of all the Brits that voted for Brexit then after it passed Googled what is brexit?
Be careful what you wish for.
We had it with Jacinda so we've already experienced it 😅😂
we have an excellent contemporary example of theocracy in Iran... I wonder if the religious right Trump supporters in America aspire to the same
@janedoe1760 looks like trump has won ♥️♥️
The mega riots are coming.
David Frum is a pundit, I appreciate what he says here. His former boss George Bush, is no pundit. But his silence on Trump, MAGA, and the decline that they have brought to discourse in his Country, is deafening.
GWBush himself needs to scream on the front pages NoTrump! But he's just another part of the Problem
George Bush is a war criminal.
The US looks to criminals like GW Bush!
@@will27ns
We aren't in ANY war.
The entire GOP has been working toward single party rule for decades they just didnt think someone like trump would be the head of the snake when that time came, they figure he is transitory, if they can use him to cement their Oligarchy with Theocratic control of the mindless drones so be it, he wil be dead in 10 years and they will have the type of control of the population they have always wanted. The only reason the Cheneys are so pissed off is he isn't onboard for their global ambitions.
He should be in Prison along with his aids. They killed millions and still have the balls to face this preety boi jack.
How truly sad for Lincoln, Washington, Jefferson....for all the soldiers who died in WW1 & 2, in the Civil war, the Revolutionary war.....all their sacrifice, all their struggle to bring us to this point only to have us willingly, so easily and so mindlessly throw it all away. Our top top generals, DT's VP, all his top cabinet members and staffers all warned us....and we chose this. This is the end of America, the planet, Europe and our democracy.......
Agreed.
This isn't the end of all that. Destruction has been barreling toward us at high speed for decades. This may, however, be a lost chance to pump the brakes and figure out how to avoid destruction.
These are INDEED, The End times . The false Antichrist has been accepted as "our choice".... NOT MINE!
Very well said thank you
It's a lot to cope with. We must rest and take in what happened. Americans, many live paycheck to paycheck. The economy is a legitimate issue. We must take care of ourselves and each other for the time being until we look inward, and outward to analyze what happened, so we can come back stronger and win the next time! We don't just throw in the towel now. We must organize and survive!!
Very good interview. We will take this day by day and challenge by challenge. Democracy must prevail.
Certain Voting Americans don't want a Woman in Office. The 3 Demographic Groups that helped Trump Win the election were *69% White Women, Young White Males and Latino Voters. who Don't Care that this Election was about White Supremacy, Misogony and White Christian Nationalism that Trump protects* since they Feel that it does not affect them. *Those women don't think about abortion until they need it* which they have the Highest Rate of in the Nation.
David Frum is an old-style pre-Trump conservative. Even though he and I don't share the same ideological perspective, nevertheless, he's quite right about what an appalling alternative Trump is. The United States, and indeed the world, will guaranteed not be in a better place in four years' time if Trump is allowed back into the White House to wreak havoc again. Kamala is not perfect and will occasionally make mistakes but she's definitely not malignant like her Republican counterpart.
Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world."
Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
It's because Frum is Canadian, and Canadian conservatives are less irrational.
Frum's brand of conservatism was only followed by the Bush administration, with disastrous results. Traditionally, Republican presidents were realists.
@@darylwilliams7883
Yes
We have a very different education system, and our view of the world is different 🇨🇦👍
Kamala's "wrongs" aren't even in the same ballpark as Trump's. Many humans seem to have trouble with NUANCE.
I am from the US and have watched this transition play out over the last 12 years. There are two processes I think that explain, one more important than the other.
The less important is that the parties have become inverted. Starting with Sarah Palin and Ron Paul, when it became clear that the Democrat coalition would be difficult to defeat in an election, the GOP restyled itself as a counterculture brand. It proved that it would do anything to stay relevant. In fact it never stopped mutating and is unrecognizable. The party of the Republic now advocates for the biggest government footprint of them all - a despot whose ambitions for power are so grandiose as to not fit within any democratic model. (It is just disorienting enough to the voting public to represent a vulnerability to exploited by our near-peers.)
The other and more important is Russia. It is no mystery to even the most casual observer. We have seen injustice and treachery like this prevail, even more extreme, several times in recent history. Each crime scene has the signature markings of violence perpetrated by only one possible actor - the bombing of civilians in Aleppo with chemical weapons, the first overt annexation attempt by a nation in February of 2022 since the signing of the UN Charter, the strangely timed provocation by Iran proxy Hezbollah and Hamas in a region that had been at least dormant if not peaceful for decades. Each case not coincidentally offends the humanist in all of us. It is highly thematic. You must look no further than Russia for an explanation of this demoralizing spectacle in US politics, which is its ultimate prize after losing the Cold War. We should not be surprised to see this contrivance overtake its intended victim. It is happening in broad daylight now. The well-characterized firehose-of-lies playbook (coupled with some old-fashioned propaganda) has been showcased for the world already. It was developed/optimized/deployed against a population of test subjects in Russia 10 years ago before it was exported to the US. Many people think we won the Cold War because of an inward focus on wellness as prescribed by the political scientist George Kennan and directly translated by Lyndon Johnson into Great Society investments which seemed to lay the groundwork for Russia's attenuation and collapse. How unoriginal therefore that our capitulation would result from the collapse of our domestic institutions in this manner.
I suppose I am just speaking out because we will have to look into our children's eyes and ask for forgiveness. They will judge us harshly whether or not our generation gives itself a pass for its frailty or lack of awareness. There can be no diffusion of responsibility. We all have access to the same information. They trusted us with defending the free world.
pretty thoughtful and succinct synopsis. You could not have all of this if Ronny Raygun - had not made it popular for Americans to attack its own institutions. That metastasis eventually had to take hold - within those outsiders as you noted Sarah Palin. Ron Paul was an FSB asset there are a lot of them within the republican party .
Funny enough, Russia has already declared Trump the new president. Reuters reported. My state, a swing state, has only 58%of the vote in. But Reuters reported that Russia has declared that Trump will win the presidency at 2:30AM PT. Weird, how Russia knows what nobody else has officially claimed yet.
We failed miserably by letting Reps in power and creating avenue to let Dump destroy democratic instutions.The Republic is dead forever.
Interesting, but completely comprised of a propagandized mind. Trump representing a threat from grandiloquent thoughts of grandeur is simply what you've been programmed to believe from a steady diet of mainstream media. Stop wasting your time trying to sound educated and get informed from alternate news reporting.
Thank you for your sharp line of thoughts and observations.
It seems to me that you have studied int./national politics intensively.
I'd be interested to know if you have written any book on these matters.
As a Canadian who also appreciates our great neighbor I have never been overly concerned about whether a Republican or Democratic president becomes the leader of United States of America. Always the president was a person who placed his country above his own desires and needs. This held true for decades until the debacle of Donald Trump. Republicans and Democrats need to unite and vote for a future a future building on a solid democratic country. The choice is clear vote for democracy vote Democrat.
The worst since President Johnson, the vice president who took over after the Lincoln assassination. Actually the ongoing debate is who was more corrupt Johnson or Trump.
brain dead
That sound like some utopian dream. I suppose a Canadian wouldn’t care about USA politics - who the president is or the party. The problem USA voters face is a choice between 2 extremes of ideologies. These may not immediately affect Canada, but it will catch up across your border….
@@antbrown9066 on the contrary, friend, as the late Prime Minister of Canada put it: "Living next to you is in some ways like sleeping with an elephant. No matter how friendly and even-tempered is the beast, if I can call it that, one is affected by every twitch and grunt," Canada has long been affected by the vagaries of U.S. federal decision-making
@@janedoe1760 well let’s see how it goes very soon. Very funny from your late PM. Hopefully if / when things go bad in US, Canada remains safe!
David Frum, a conservative, weighs in on the threat to democracy in the United States. He has a world view, a broader view than blindly picking party over country, he chooses morality over immorality. The world hopes people like Frum will prevail in their broader thinking and vote for Harris to protect America from an autocracy.
He’s a fake conservative. He’s a liberal, and Jewish. He is a Canadian citizen and lives in Toronto. He was one of the most vocal advocates of the Iraq war. His support for Israel is unflinching, even if it means the genocide of Palestinians. He is truly a cosmopolitan elite.
frum is not an american..he's canadian..undoubtedly a trudeau lover
I have always characterised the Canadian-born David Frum as a modern-day iteration of the late William F. Buckley (Jr.).
I wish every Trump supporter would see this.
@@giorfi-n7v not that it would make much difference. I don't know that most Trump supporters make a reasoned assessment of his policies.
Thank you David for taking the time to make this video and spelling it out in plain language.
Thank you for speaking out, Mr. Frum!
I have never found cruelty to be exciting!
Trumpers love cruelty. And in person, they are manipulative and passive aggressive.
Well these people do. Have you ever heard of “gang mentality?” Individuals in a gang will behave in ways they would never normally. There is no shame anymore for the feelings and beliefs that these people have. They feel liberated and free to show this side of themselves and they have millions that support them. I’ve seen it in my own extended family and they don’t care if they’re hurting family or their grandchildren’s futures. They simply only care about themselves.
it's definitely only a segment of any given society.
@@Maggie-zr2ow also in cults. if you look at jamestown and Waco, there's always a select few who get very into it..
@@HomeFromFarAway and I'm not part of that segment.
Trump is too dangerous and out of control. I fear for our country if he wins. I am Republican and I am voting for Harris.
Thank you 🙏
I agree with you and I’d add that JD Vance, and the interests behind him are even more dangerous. These are men that want to completely redesign the USA into their utopia. A country very similar to the nonfictional Gilead of Margaret Atwood’s Handmaids Tale which is based on a hodge-podge of actual real societies and practices that have occurred here on earth. Much worse than any modern oligarchy. Just look at Porject 2025, and any book or interview that these people have produced and what they want is clearly said. The amount of suffering would be exponentially worse. Vance can’t win an election so they’ll find another way.💙🇺🇸
the concern if he wins is another secret service "oopsie" and suddenly having to address President Vance
@@HomeFromFarAway A likely planned “oopsie.” Vance is actually worse than Trump.
Well said!!!
America needs it allies, always has and always will it is in it's own best interest to do so, but Trump is already causing issues with that, don't fall asleep at the wheel.
Yes allies who need to pay there bills to the USA for policing the world and bad people
WAKE SICK DIMENTIA BIDEN UP hhhhh🤣🤣🤣🤣
Yes, well said.
It will have allies, maybe just not the one we are used to it having.
Yeah, Iran, Russia, China, North Korea. 🤦♀️
Kudos to David for telling it straight!
I find it interesting how little he reflects on how his party got here.
This aged well. 🤣🤡
Most of us who follow American politics know who this David Frum guy is. I know quite a bit about him. I can't express what I think about him for fear of getting kicked off this platform. That's all I'm gonna say.
Thank you David Frum for your intellect and international perspective. Always respect your opinions, as I did your mother’s unbiased reporting.
O Canada
Good listen
God help us all
🩵🩵🩵🦘🦘
We saw it in 2020, David? We saw it in 1933.
OK, no it is the majority!!!!
Best interview ever. This guy is a genius.
Which guy?
Bravo to the interviewer. Good, thoughtful questions, showing he has researched the topics he covered. No interruptions, pontificating or challenging. Such an improvement to the grim, shallow, low hanging fruit interview we usually see. Well done Jack Tame!
Because it was propaganda more than it was an interview!
A former aide to a warhawk in George W Bush ? Of course he wants to prolong the war in Ukraine! 🫡
Bang on David Frum - "Trump offers a Theatre of Cruelty" - exactly!
It's pitiful how many people have not evolved away from cruelty and spectacle in this day and age. I've never heard anyone talk about this issue before.
Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world."
Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world."
Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
@@Soapandwater6Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world."
Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
@@Soapandwater6Frum contributed to arguably the worst administration in American history, as their lies on the Iraq war contributed directly to the loss of around 10 trillion over the last 25 years & literally hundreds of thousands of lives. Had these Bush W charlatans not been allowed to use a GOP controlled SCOTUS in 2000 to literally steal an election, then competent people would have stopped the 9/11 attacks, therefore all that money wouldn't have been wasted or veterans lives or limbs lost. Then there wouldn't have been any 2008 crash but even if there had been, the American treasury would have been able to bail out not only the banks but also enough to help Americans to keep their homes. Then there wouldn't have been 20 years of wage stagnation that culminated in so much outrage towards the Establishment that the American people elected a deranged game show host to send a gigantic middle finger to the people who 've ruined their lives and their children live's for generations. Also, The bush doctrine of expanding NATO to the Russian border forcing Putin to react as the last two invading forces of Napoleon and Hitler used the exact same route. These people keep saying that putting nuclear weapons on the border where 70 years ago the Russian people lost almost 30 million people isn't a big deal is f****** ridiculous. Now as a result of Frum's & Pals ideological ideas, Americans haven't invested in 20 years of infrastructure, education for its youth or the ability to pay down debt and or invest in its future but instead made a small group of Frum's Friends in the military industrial complex, extremely more wealthy while weakening America against its adversaries at every turn, especially China. Could you imagine had America spent $10 trillion on advancing their capacity to educate and innovate over the last 20 years instead of sending our young men and women to die needlessly in a desert?!?! Frum, if not arrested, should at least be so ashamed to show his face that it would make more sense to smear his face in feces, then to have anything come out of his mouth, other than, "I am so sorry and ashamed of what I have done to America and the world."
Trump clearly sucks, but what Bush's people have done is so vastly worse & are directly responsible for Trump's Presidency, that it shocks me to the core when I hear them spew anything and more importantly, the fact that they are now aligned with the DNC is extremely concerning to say the f****** least.
2:00 -
David Frum is literally THE ONLY public figure who has stated bluntly and seriously that cruelty is a part of being human.
FRUM'S FULL QUOTE BELOW
- starts at 3:11 -
"I think that some people find it exciting, look, the Colloseum in Rome stood for 500 years...there were 2 shows a week - apparently it was filled all the time...to watch people hacking each other into little pieces, or being devoured by wild beasts or burned at the stake.
There is something in us that enjoys the spectacle of cruelty - that's just part of what it means to be human.
There's another part, we hope, as we become more civilized, the more dominant part rejects cruelty. But cruelty is exciting...and Donald Trump offers a theatre of cruelty and of course it's mesmerizing."
This is the most sensible - instantly recognizable as most likely, or
even true - statement I've heard that actually makes sense of Trump's theatre of "Bread and Circuses" as a main motivation for people to follow him over the edge -----
"Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes" as Sting so eloquently put it in the song Synchronicity II.
Synchronicity II lyrics:
Another suburban family morning
Grandmother screaming at the wall
We have to shout above the din of our Rice Krispies
We can't hear anything at all
Mother chants her litany of boredom and frustration
But we know all her suicides are fake
Daddy only stares into the distance
There's only so much more that he can take
Many miles away
Something crawls from the slime
At the bottom of a dark
Scottish lake
Another industrial ugly morning
The factory belches filth into the sky
He walks unhindered through the picket lines today
He doesn't think to wonder why
The secretaries pout and preen like cheap tarts in a red light street
But all he ever thinks to do is watch
And every single meeting with his so called superior
Is a humiliating kick in the crotch
Many miles away
Something crawls to the surface
Of a dark Scottish loch
Another working day has ended
Only the rush hour hell to face
Packed like lemmings into shiny metal boxes
Contestants in a suicidal race
Daddy grips the wheel and stares alone into the distance
He knows that something somewhere has to break
He sees the family home now looming in his headlights
The pain upstairs that makes his eyeballs ache
Many miles away
There's a shadow on the door
Of a cottage on the shore
Of a dark Scottish lake
Many miles away
Many miles away
Many miles away
Many miles away
Many miles away
Song by - Gordon Mathew Sumner
AKA -Sting of the band The Police
Sure hope he is right in his last statement that the cult of Trump will fade away if he is defeated.
You have had record Republican Turnout because of Trump. You may dislike him but half of America will vote for him today... why is being excited for a Candidate something that scares you?
@@savagemadness77 He wanted his own Vice President dead for starters. Project 2025. His close association with Steve Bannon. The list is long.
@@savagemadness77 Trump's first term was pretty awful, that's all.
@howard5992 Not for America.
@@savagemadness77 It was good for corporations and the wealthy who got tax cuts. That's about it.
I guess if you are opposed to abortion it was a win. That's not a big issue for me. I think it's a personal choice.
Trump is an empty suit. Golfing and campaigning are his strengths.
A poor businessman. No leadership (look at how he hid during covid, just as one example ). A poor administrator - there was lots and lots of turnover in his first Administration.
Trump is a product of the swap. He said so himself campaigning in 2016. Nepotism and self serving actions are his trademarks. Under Trump America is for sale. Too bad so sad.
God help America and the free world.
-David Frum is an excellent guest speaker.
-Donald Trump is a national embarrassment and a fool.
Donald Trump is a typical old white guy crank....I know more than a few of them....they think they can do better....dunning kruger effect. He is honestly nothing more than that.
Worse than a fool, a malignant narcissist. The worst dictators in the world were malignant narcissists, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler.
But Certain Voting Americans don't want a Woman in Office. The 3 Demographic Groups that helped Trump Win the election were *69% White Women, Young White Males and Latino Voters. who Don't Care that this Election was about White Supremacy, Misogony and White Christian Nationalism that Trump protects* since they Feel that it does not affect them. *Those women don't think about abortion until they need it* which they have the Highest Rate of in the Nation.
then leave, we dont need more fake people who call themselves Americans rotting the place up.
Are you proud David Frum about your role in the election outcome? Did you have no sway with George W. Bush or did you even discuss it with him?
Not that it would have helped. Americans are a flock of racist sheep with the memory span of fruit flies. They were always going to be conned. It was always baked in.
I appreciate Mr. Frum's calm, clear, concise words...someone that never leaves me with a feeling of having just been lied to...refreshing.
By Nancy Pelosi and co
@@zackysullivan2088 All your comments here could have been written by Putin himself. Good job.
@@Maggie-zr2owyou're welcome
You the the perfect consumer of calmly spoken propaganda.
@antbrown9066 Mr. Frum is a Canadian political commentator whose mother was a well respected Canadian journalist. He is, in fact, a conservative thinker and has advised a republican president. He just also happens to be someone of integrity...perhaps the kind of person you aren't used to hearing from.
From Canada, thank you David Frum.
Like most Canadians, I have watched a Trump rally, and listened to Supporter’s comments in disbelief.
These poor people have idea how they are being mislead. I hope they do not find out the hard way🙏
This conversation was so much more civilized than some of the political mudslinging we are used to!
Because the interviewer is foreign and has the necessary distance to look at things objectively
5:38 YIKES 😳🫣, GEEZ, Even Stevie Wonder could see this coming. SMDH 😡
Trump winning the elections in the United States means that it is not just the climate that is changing, it is people too. We walked happily into the abyss.
Yes
Sadly yes.
They walked happily into the abyss.
@@Cerceify4645 It will affect the entire world, you can be sure.
The racist patriarchy in this country won again last night. Disgusting.
"Right now, 2024, the American economy is at its strongest than probably any time since the 60s .. employment is at capacity, inflation has been overcome, wages are rising faster than prices, prices have ceased to rise, in some cases going in to reverse. The biggest problem the country faces is at the border, the flow of immigration, and that is produced by the giant 'we're hiring' sign that is blaring over the United States to the rest of the world. And obviously you have to regulate the flow of people, but the people are coming because they said this is the strongest job market on the planet. So we ought to be able to say yes, immigration is a problem, caused by the incredibly powerful dynamic American economy, which is why you vote for the incumbent, not the challenger"
Excellent example of living in a bubble. But what is his excuse? A man at his level is expected to understand the reality of the situation. Instead he is in a fantasy land.
Great interview, very interesting, people with the intelligence and understanding like David Frum give me hope.
A great analysis. Thoughtful and balanced. Very useful, thanks.
Trump must be punished.
LOL - You mean the Current Administration must be punished and imprisoned for what they have done to our country and its citizens. They all about destruction of America and their AWFUL AGENDA. TRUMP 2024 ALL THE WAY!! THIS RED WAVE WILL PREVAIL!
He will be. I predict a Harris win in the likes of Reagan 1980. Read the article from 1980 Times magazine "Nation: Where the Polls Went Wrong".
The election polls were very close all the way up to the last week when Reagan started seeing some points. In the end it was a landslide. Very similar to how Harris is now positioned.
Kamala must be punished
WE LOVE TRUMP WE LOVE TRUMP WE LOVE MAGA WE LOVE MAGA. Donald Trump 2024 will be our successful USA President ❤❤❤❤👍👍👍 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🌲🌲🌲🌹🌹🌹
Hey, Glenn, that could go both ways.
Inequality is at its highest. Knock knock instability.
He’s right; Trump offers cruelty and many in society relish the idea. Another term is fascism!
Sorry sissy, do you want a tissue?
America will end. KAMALA CANNOT CERTIFY THE ELECTION. GET HERE SOME FAKE ELECTORAL COLLEGE VOTES, LIKE TRUMP DID.
Poor baby
'fascism' lost all meaning. boy who cried wolf.
Quite.
America deserves Trump
Ah, yes a George W. Bush aide. Great source...
Welcome to chaos.
Proud of the republicans who aren’t afraid to speak out against him. Sadly a lot of people are still under his control.
History will not look back kindly on the people who stood by this malignant narcissist former President .
Great interview, Frum has an excellent world view, interesting listen.
They are Few.
We have met the enemy and he is us.
The US is already in chaos.
Walk a mile in Ukraine or Gaza or any number of other places in the world, the USA lives in a little bubble, largely seperate from the issues that affect the rest of the world.
@@Walter-j9e
You may well perceive the USA is already in chaos. Well if some of that may well be true, it's because a bratty little boy has been inciting people, provoking them every day..
Come on, you know you hate those people...they are the reason you can't find a job... they're taking your jobs, crowding your cities, stinking up the place. All of your country's problems are because of a certain group of people...And that nasty boy keeps saying, come on over to this side, it's ok to hate, it's alrighty to want the good ole days ..Listen to me, "I'm the chosen one"
"Only I can save the world" ." They're poisoning the blood of our country".
Listen to me, I can fix everything. When you're weak minded, full of rage and hate...and that petulant little boy says come on, choose me. I can make everything better. Well, they buy the lie.
It's so insane. Trump loves to tell his little snake story. How does it end?
Silly woman, you knew I was a snake.
Well, you do. Are you going to willingly be bitten? 🤨
largely thanks to trump. the usa has become a miserably unreliable ally
Voted blue all blue 💙
Mr Frum provides an educated and measured view of US politics and its role in the world with this interview. Very much appreciated!
Oh please 😂
David Frum calms me a bit now that trump won. I just joined Democracy Docket. I am sincerely worried about Ukraine and freedom for us all.
Trump is the most insecure person in politics.
well, in US politics. here in South Africa we have some delicate little psycopaths
Donald Trump 2024 will be our successful USA President ❤❤❤❤👍👍👍 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🌲🌲🌲🌹🌹🌹
@@HomeFromFarAway 😆
..and Musk, who should not be meddling in politics.
@@HomeFromFarAway Nicely put.
Dear David, so tell us what policy positions you think Trump will force that will be destructive to the American people? You know...the only conversation that *actually* matters?
TRUMPO DESERVES THE NOBEL PEACE PRIZE
All voting Americans should listen to this!
Certain Voting Americans don't want a Woman in Office. The 3 Demographic Groups that helped Trump Win the election were *69% White Women, Young White Males and Latino Voters. who Don't Care that this Election was about White Supremacy, Misogony and White Christian Nationalism that Trump protects* since they Feel that it does not affect them. *Those women don't think about abortion until they need it* which they have the Highest Rate of in the Nation.
When David Frum talks about the Greek coliseum spectacle and the cruelty , and how Trump exemplifies this it's called
schadenfreude German word .
He's talking about the Colosseum and it was Roman, but cruelty is more than Schadenfreude.
Correct on both counts!
Not Gree, Roman. Read up on your history, please.
'Axis of Evil', David Frum knows well about the dark side of human nature.
Anyone notice what David is wearing on his lapel? A Canadian poppy to honour ( Canadian and commonwealth) Rememberance Day Nov 11. Way to go David thank you for displaying your Canadian side.
I have enjoyed visiting the States, but love coming home to Canada ( taxes and all)😊.
I am truly concerned for our southern neighbours if Trump wins🙏
A Canadian wears a poppy. Thank you.
Kamala 💙 2024 💙 !!!!
lol.
Sorry she lost
This guy seems to be out of touch. What about the crazy property price inflation?
This guy. Wow. May have to start reading him.
Like I - From Canada.
His mother - Barbara Frum was a Famous Journalist.
“Maybe you do not care much about the future of the Republican Party. You should. Conservatives will always be with us. If conservatives become convinced that they can not win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”
― David Frum
“In a democracy, you don’t obey the President, you obey the law” 💯 .
Great to see Jack represent NZ journalism, we’ve sent some of the best. ✌️
However, in a cult, you obey the cult leader. Screw the law.
God, he's looking better. You keep at it Mr. Frum. Godspeed.
Love David Frum’s broad, insightful, depth and understanding of Global Politics.
He didn’t understand Iraq.
Has this man ever talked to someone on a low income?
Imagine welcoming Dick Cheney into your party. Nice job Democrats LMAO !!
It was like the Democratic Party tossing Hand Grenades at the MAGA Republicans; and they just simply pulled the Pins and threw them back. Or inviting Dylan Roofe into your Church to pray with you. It’s truly disgusting that the Democrats haven’t learned in all these years that you can’t win a WAR with Slingshots and Bean Shooters.
Respect for Frum.
Sorry Ukraine, we sane voters tried....😥
Have you had your 6th booster shot?
I don't believe in never ending wars. Ukraine, Russia, Hamas, Israel. How about helping American citizens instead of funding these wars. Has humanity gone so downhill? Stop the bloodshed 😢
You tried but failed - Ukraine is not getting stronger and in fact it is the opposite. A different strategy is warranted
I guess all those who voted for Trump or for white nationalism my conscience is clear I'm not to blame for what's about to happen
I can't understand why Americans vote him in.
FEMINISM AND HOMOSEXUALITY.
@@Solitaryman70 - There's nothing wrong with women being equal to men in wages and everything else--including their choice re reproduction. However, I agree that this insane embracing of the perversion of the genders is what would have made me think twice too--if I was an American. I feel sorry for everyone except Trump, Vance and the MAGA cult. Regular people are going to suffer horribly under Trump, I believe.
This did not age well. You, Mr. Frum, and your Establishment are finished.
Excellent interview, profound and logically compelling perspective!
TVNZ know their hosts views before they interview him.
Tomorrow is the beginning of three and a half more years of chaos...not looking forward to it one bit...hes not going away or concede .
This video did not age well.
I'm here after the devastating election results. Seeing the pundits pander one way or the other tonight, this interview seems calming- just for the existence of a well explained intellect. The worst is yet to come. But despair isn't the time to lose hope, it is time to introspect, make our peace and come back stronger.
I wonder whetheŕ u wil get the chance to come back stronger...i doubt Trump has any intention of leaving the white in 4 yrs reģardless of any election, if allowed by then to take place. He will anoint himself as king.
Republicans let him Run for Office and America does not want a Woman in Office.
I told people before he said it. The world need a balance. When a president don't stay in office for 8 yrs things become unbalanced. Common sense. When the ppl suffer these nxt 4 yrs. I'm laugh.😢😢
great interview JT!
An excellent snapshot of the US political scene. David Frum’s assessment is as clear as it it wise. Thank goodness for his knowledge, experience and integrity!
@@anjou6497 He appeared on TV when GW was president.
Listen to what this guy says people like. I don't think so.
Thats what the people he hangs out with like.
Definitely what turns Trump supporters on.
Are you mensa's posterchild?
I hope for you that your first language isn't English
I think Non-Trump supporters are fed up with his lies and BS and are scared of what he'll do in office and are ready to blow.
@@hinx8288David Frum was part of Bush Cheney administration, which started two wars and tortured people and broke dozens of laws. Please don’t ever listen to David Frum!
harris would have easily won Pa had all these people from the other parties didn't foolishly vote for their candidates who had no chance in hell of winning. add those 65,000 votes to harris and shed have won.. gee, thanks guys.
From EU. How did so many vote for things which are going to work against them?? Self destruction of a once great country.
Then what has it been facing since 2020. Theres a reason so many are bitching.
David is becoming more like his late mother, whom I always admired.
WE LOVE TRUMP WE LOVE TRUMP WE LOVE MAGA WE LOVE MAGA. Donald Trump 2024 will be our successful USA President ❤❤❤❤👍👍👍 MERRY CHRISTMAS 🌲🌲🌲🌹🌹🌹
@@truesolution6069 if you say successful USA Dictator I would agree
i never thought of that ... "cruelty is exciting" ...it's obvious that Trump is cruel.... no wonder i couldn't understand MAGA
Excellent analysis. Proud Frum is Canadian
One of the best assessments about the 2024 election in the US I have seen in recent times. The depth, knowledge, tempered analysis of both candidates and the main topics that are at stake for US and the world.
Very knowledgeable guest...telling it how it is.
He's another idiot that doesn't like Trump
This guy is a genius.
@@zackysullivan2088As opposed to all the nut jobs that support the orange man.😅😅😅
@@zackysullivan2088
The biggest problem is this:
Many, many people, who could not be more different from DonOld Bone Spurs Trump, are blindly following him, because they are even more xstupidx than he is.
How much different his voters are from Trump?
Well, he’s a rich boy from NYC, who is always chauffeured in limousines and wears suits, being clean shaved, while many of his supporters (likely even most of them) are rednecks from rural America, who drive pickup trucks, wear baseball caps and have moustache and/or beards.
He cares about his followers similarly to how we care about the toilet paper in the washroom, after we used it ..., while his followers insist on worshipping him ...
The question, therefore, is:
Who can open his followers' eyes and change their perceptions, so they are at last able to see the big, xcriminalx, xpussiesx grabber xFascistx xbuffoonx he really is?
What a xhorriblex, xdisggustingx man.
Instead of retiring and caring for his grandkids, he is trying to ruin the United State's democracy...
@@zackysullivan2088 This interview is not intended for a U.S. market (They have Fox News and NewsMax)
Thank you for your brilliant comment. I agree with just about everything you said and it’s rare to see anyone mention George Kennan in a comment section. If anyone knew Russia it was he because of all his experience there as a diplomat in the beginning of his career.
enterprise does not oppose equality. at all. Denmark does just fine
Yes TH-cam, more David Frum
the 'face' of the united Staes is changing...and this is scaring many people.
Projected to no longer be majority white by 2045.
Change is happening all over the world.
We all have to relax and enjoy it.
Remember the good times, just a memory now.
wow , if republicans could talk like that , seams like we could get some laws passed that would be good for all Americans
I'm 60 yrs old - came from a republican family - republicans have never been interested in laws that were good for all Americans - quite the contrary