2020 Mini John Cooper Works GP vs Renault Megane RS Trophy R. Track Test with Ben Collins Stig
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ธ.ค. 2020
- What's faster around a racetrack? The 2020 Mini John Cooper Works GP or the Renault Megane RS Trophy R?
We take to a very damp Llandow Race Track with Paul Woodman in the Mini GP3 and Tiff Needell in the Trophy R to get to know the cars, before handing over the keys to the ex BBC Top Gear Stig, Ben Collins.
Ben sets some fast laps with the odd surprise, but before that some free practise as they say in Formula 1, plus an agility test, to see what these cars would be like in your local supermarket car park.
Which car would you choose? The Mini John Cooper Works GP or the Renault Megane RS Trophy R?
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Our longest video of all time. If you watch it all, you’re our hero!!!! (Plus the ending is worth watching Ben!)
Not the most exciting cars but definitely the best video yet, keep it up guys. 👍
I actually enjoyed these little cars, and the 20 plus min video too!! Keep up the great work guys. That goes for the ones behind the scenes also. Guys and gals (maybe) lol thanks for all the entertainment!!
@@DAF.truck. thank you very much! 🙏
@@niewissen9912 thank you! And lovely you mention the guys bts who all got soaked through and got the killer shots! 🙏
Fantastic stuff. How do you decide what goes to TH-cam and what goes on TV? Cos this is definitely TV worthy
I don't mind not seeing supercars, these things are so much more fun...
Well you can actually use a hot hatch in the real world.
@@matgee8892 In fact, people complaining about the state of supercars right now, saying that they are boring, if you really want driving thrills, a car that’s a bit silly, a hot hatch or a sports car is where it’s at. Supercars are either toys or showcases for technology, they always have been.
Mate these sort of cars have supercars beat 98% of the time
@@5thgearouttahere Really? Even an R8?
@@magnustan841 Sure, ultra-high limit, serious consequences/ $£€, more fun not just a factor of time spent in the car.
Thanks for getting Ben Colins and Tiff Needell to the show! They are great personalities. I show hope that this show will become a huge success.
Thank you for your kind comments!
I got a Mini JCW GP3 recently (with only 700 miles on it)... probably at little over 1000 miles now. I can't stop driving it... lovely car! So exciting and for the price I got it for in this crazy car market it's a bargain really. They are not well loved in the US, everybody obsessed with muscle cars or fast M3's M5's over here... but I love hot hatches..
Really enjoyed having Ben Collins appear on your video ... he's a solid track weapon!
tiff is just soo brilliant - put him in any car and he'll just deliver time and time again!!
Oh Renault sport are so good. Its the Porsche GT department made french
They are very underrated!
@@lovecarsTV They’re not underrated at all, just not mainstream.
@@drazenbudis7881 yup
Just shows that you don't need 500+ hp RWD supercars to have fun. They were having a great time!
Thanks Tiff, Ben and Paul. I really enjoyed this episode.
Looks like the Yaris GR will be tough competition for both of these cars
The GR Yaris looks like a brilliant car!
Should compare the yaris to the golf R, both AWD. the renault and mini are both FWD.
@@idiotsandwich6727 Funny thing is that Megane is still faster than any other awd hatch around the ring.
@@idiotsandwich6727 exactly what I was thinking
@@idiotsandwich6727 No, it doesn't work like that. The market for hot hatches and sports cars doesn't have to be split up according to which wheels put the power down. Why should it? There's lots of factors that affect car choice. AWD doesn't make a car automatically faster or better. Increased weight and greater drivetrain losses, but greater traction out of corners. VW's Haldex certainly isn't the best system.
Paul and Tiff have smashed this episode well done chaps, really top notch! I had my mk3 meg at Castle Combe in the wet just last month and on a knife edge was exactly the right description! It put a few exotic rwd cars to shame! Brilliant things when driven hard, glad to see the new one is great too
Fantastic video team. Was great viewing. Camera angles and editing were like a TV programme. More like this please and the viewing length will be 30min plus. Superb!!!
Really good handling by Tiff.Keep it up young man!
Class act all around and good to see Ben Collins on board here. Enjoyed it! Congratulations guys.
Thanks so much!
Appreciate your review techniques. Good video. 🔥
Epic. I just LOVE watching Tiff drive. And Paul you're no slouch either. And you're both among the best motoring presenters around. Absolutely first class.
More to come!
Great matchup 👍
And what a surprise for setting the lap records 🏎
Glad you liked it!
You knocked it out of the park with this one @Lovecars !
Glad you enjoyed it. 😏👌
2 of the 3 best drivers i.m.o in one video
Tiff
Ben
Harris
Megane rs trophy r!!
Nice show guys keep up!
Thank you for your kind comments!
thanks for making this
Our pleasure!
It was already great but with Ben You just killed all other motoring channels ;) greetings from Poland!
MINI overwrought. Renault far too costly. Doesn't stop me from wanting them though. But for the price of the Renault, I think I would take an Alpine A110. Then again, opinions are a dime a dozen.
£70k!? This looks great, but there's quite a list of cars up to that price before I got to this one.
@@philipminns3933 the megane isnt 70k at all... It's a limited edition with carbon wheels, carbon brakes, ohlins suspensions, akrapovic exhaustr etc etc... Put the sames on the mini and it will be 70k too (if not more). Take a normal megane trophy at 32k and it will make the same lap time for half the price (maybe even faster actually on such a small track thanks to the rear directional wheels
The mini is as British as a German sausage
@@doobypoppop7850 i dont know what you exactly mean with "designed" but all Minis now get developed in Germany by BMW.
@@doobypoppop7850 its german everything with a cute girly exterior possibly designed by a British woman 🤷♂️
@@doobypoppop7850 my JCW mini has BMW printed on every panel, trim, etc... Definitely a BMW! BMW engine too thankfully.
@@youtubed9695 Drive it PaL .. U Will enjoy what's important - The Ride ..
@@sfjsfj9024 I have.. personally I was disappointed..
If you ever doubt the megane's cost... in this video it put in a wet lap time faster than a m2 comp did in the dry.
Seems fair value against its performance to me.
Great Vid-Great Driving .. Thanks Lads ..
Glad you enjoyed it
Earlier today I find where Tiff had gone, now catching up I find Stig? Have I died? Is this TH-cam heaven?
😂👍
This one is a great video. Driving is only complete by having the real handbrake together with the manual gearbox. Great J-Turns, by the way.
No surprise for me, I think in the dry the gap would have been way more. New Facelifted FK8 vs The Megane is what I want to see 👍👌😎 great vid guys ❤️
What do you need Ben for when you have Tiff?
If you ask me: Superman or Tiff? my answer would be Tiff is Superman!
Get rid of the dork, and keep Ben and Tiff
Tiff vs Ben would make a great video
I thought Paul was going to faint for a second there, with that manic laugh at 14:03! 😅
😂😂😂😂
Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it
Ben collins aka stig what a driver...he should be on this show more often..the original all rounder...tiff is also a legend..
Both are legends!
@@lovecarsTV yes no doubt about that..paul is heading that way too😃😃
both cars are brilliant i think. I personaly love my megane Trophy especialy also considering how it looks its a great time to buy a hot hatch there are just a lot of realy cool cars in this class
I would have loved to have seen Tiff take on the Stig, for old times sake.
We would too 👌😁
can't wait to see you guys test the GR Yaris here against both of this car and FK8R
Look at the new car magazine supercar grouptest....or top gears own hit hatch of the year out last week.....spoiler alert....it won(well in the super car lineup th airial atom 4 and the mclaren beat it 😉
@@mikeormond7883 it barely overtake fk8r on the launch on drag test. I don't it's that 'good' to overtake fk8r on the track.. if it really is, it's darn good then.. will chck it out later..
The GR won't trouble these.
@@mikeormond7883the GP3 gobbled up the little Yaris GR on carwow.
Tiff and The Stig on the same channel?! Glad I subscribed to this! Get Randy Pobst involved and I'll pay money for this kind of entertainment lol.
That indeed would be an absolute dream trio!
Manual gearbox is the way to go.
That Megane is a hoot.
These reports....the TV show...we have never had it so good...thanks
Thank you for your kind comments!
The Ben Collins
Well done Paul, I think Tiff needs a few driving lessons from you 🤪 😂
😁👍
I like a lot the Mini looks is awesome, but the Megane is a track gun
The MINI has that classic design. 👌😁
Call me crazy, but the Mini needs a manual gearbox.
You are perfectly normal !!
Absolutely!
Nice formula, it will really work, get The Stig in!!!!!!!!
I was surprised the mini was only a second of the pace.... and yes it would be nice to redo this with the Yaris GR up against the winner.... given all the hype...
I know it's chalk and cheese but 70K will buy you a new GT-R or a used 911 Turbo S. Each to their own I guess ...
Good luck to find a 911 Turbo S for 70K
I agree, 70k for ANY Renault is ridiculous.
@@ofautomotive There is a 2013, 991 convertible with 40K miles on Auto Trader for £72K.
Think of the running costs of those cars compared tho. But none the less 70k is way to much, id have a type r which is nearly as fast and half the price
Even an BMW M2 or Cayman would be a nice toy
tiff needle and hot hatches, lovely
It's good to see. 😁
The Trophy R has 4 doors but no rear seats? I could not live with that. You can buy an Alpine for that money!
Yeah the Alpine is for driving pleasure, the Megane is a track car machine, depends your goals
@@FEGTTTSDH I don't think you understand. If you have 4 doors but you only use 2 it means your design is highly flawed. (Trust me, I'm an engineer.)
@@MauriceEscargotgreat engineer lol. It's not a design flaw it's simply saving costs, nothing else.
The Megane is a four door car. Renault aren’t going to create a new body in order to delete two doors for their track focused model. That would be flawed.
I'm so over the tiff drift we were doing stuff like that in the 80's lol.
I own a Trophy R. Incredible ride and so much fun ! Not sure price conversion, mine was 53 k euro without the carbo package. Pretty fair price for what you get honestly
They're awesome cars! 😁👍
Awesome video, shame the mini didn’t win tho. At least it’s faster in a straight line I suppose??😂😆
Tiff can still drive!! 👍😎
He's a pro. 😁👍
I would be interested in Tiff's time vs. Ben in these cars around the track. I would put my money on Tiff.
yes. little car with crazy power to weight ratio is coming up moree
Why does the old stig have to do the lap times ? When tiff is just as good , but good to see the old stig doin a bit ,they should merj , saying that they would have to split the takins :) 👍
So Renault has a press car for that single car that can be sold in the country?
Go mini so cool great fun more smiles per miles
cant see all that money in a megane tbh, theyve killed the sillhoette not having it in 3 door if you ask me
Does this justify the price tag on the Megane RS I think the Mini has to be the value........would of liked to see Tiff n Stig battle it out for the fastest lap in each car !
Great to see the master Ben Collins working his magic.
It really is!
Anyone know where I can watch the TV programme on repeat? Anything on iplayer? I worth Thursday nights 😔
Hi David - it's on the ITV hub - itv.com/hub/on-the-road
@@lovecarsTV hallelujah 🙌
The old mini was an icon these new one’s just live off that reputation
Those are still cool cars. It's getting harder to get a fun 3 door nowadays.
I’ll take the mini in manual with a rear wiper.
You won't in GP mode.
Renault is the best hot hatch back on the market
They definitely have a history with hot hatches. 😁👍
lol no
mini!!
Svj vs pista it would be great
Ben seems busy atm
Bad weather...
Thanks to the Rice Crispies Police, the Snap Crackle and Pops are gone.
So annoying right! 😩
In the dry the Megane would be 2+ seconds faster on this short track There is 16 seconds difference in the Nordschleife manufacturer's times between these cars. The Mini has nothing on the Megane. Neither will have the Yaris GR. The limited edition Civic Type R on the other hand is the only front-wheel drive car who will probably beat it because it's much faster on the straight.
Actually the mini is quicker than the megane and the civic in a straight line the reason them cars are quicker on the ring is because they have a much bigger body and cover a bigger area which allows the cars to carry a lot more speed through the high speed bends , on a short twisty track the mini would have the advantage, put a set of carbon ceramic brakes on the mini and I’m sure it would of pulled the 1 second back
yet the Mini is also slower than the previous gen 2014 Trophy-R with 30+ hp and 90 Nm more. That's a significant margin of advantage in straight line and there are enough of straight line full throttle sections to make up on any track if the straight line speed is so much bigger.
Yaris GR vs these cars!
That would be a worthy rival!
Moar!
I would love to own one of those Renault's, especially with the carbon wheels
Great video. The GP3 hmmm. Not superb on track, jittery and a torque steer on the road...and no manual the tour and cruise. What’s the point really. Disappointing car, could have been so good.
Totally not used to stig giving commentary while driving
😂👌
But we want to see the Yaris
Lovecars - great video, well done getting Ben on the show! BTW Frank Stephenson designed the first gen of the new Mini. Since then I don’t think he’s been involved in the designs.
Frank’s got a great channel on TH-cam - he’s got a video discussing the P1’s design and this video he made about designing the Mini:
th-cam.com/video/KoQP5qjSYvw/w-d-xo.html
Glad you enjoyed the video 😁👌
Cool cars but kinda generic "top-gear" style review. And what was that guy doing, sitting 2 meters from the steering wheel in mini gp?
Énervant ces rosbifs
And the maximum speed in the uk is 70 mph
How do you add lightness 😂😂
That was a quote from Colin Chapman.
better you removed the carbon rims before riding around in the rain like this here🤣👋🏻
oh man i hate the british weather, 90% of the time we cant see a "dry track battle/dragrace"
Renault Megane RS Trophy R are truly the best hot hatchback. 😀🏎🏁🏆
😏👌
@@lovecarsTV 😀🏆
I don't think all that extra thousands of ££££ is worth spending on the Megane just to be just a second quicker on a track. But I guess its because its limited that's why its £71k
Surprised Mini was slower. Renault is much more chunky of a car.
Chandler is fast
🤣🤣🤣
c’mon tiff. you’re to good to be wearing a daniel wellington.
....yes, ridiculous....😂😂😂
The mini is auto only enuff said
What a mad man who spend 70k on Renault
Why do people still think a Mini is British? It's clearly german as last time i checked BMW is german.
The Stig can talk???
Well when you factor in the megane has a £12000 brake kit , a second ain’t really a lot faster 🤷🏼♂️
Would not use a current mini as a paperweight.
The entire range excludes several things that should be on every car, they follow the BMW std kit list there.
Who else would take all the aero crap off the Mini on day one?
Death by adds on this vid
Hi Elliott. Were there many? We didn’t set them but just let YT do it’s thing
Use Vanced and get enlightment.
@@lovecarsTV 6 adds, 22mins. That's an add about every 3.5 mins. I love the content and will keep watching but the frequency of adds diminishes the narrative.
@@elliotthale1835 that’s far too much, sorry. Thank you very much for the feedback. Will resolve this.
The mini you are in is a BMW, the classic UK mini ( Isigonis?!?! ) is the historically great car...