It not the police that is easy on youth crime. It's the courts. I know some police officers that would like to hand out their own justice for some young offenders who just keep getting away with it but can't.
Been a motorcyclist for six decades. My current ADV bike makes around 110 hp. It weighs 230kg. Roughly 450hp/tonne. Way in excess of the supercar licence requirements. I ride this bike on dirt, just as I have done my entire life. It's the first bike I've ever owned with traction control, which is always switched off. I wonder when the cops will tell me this is illegal. Particularly when ALL my body parts are outside of the vehicle. Oh.....I live in South Australia!
If your motorbike is within the Australian Design Rules(ADR's) for motorcycles/motor vehicles , you will never have an issue! This is so basic. If you modify any vehicle that takes it outside the scope of the ADR's, you will land yourself in hot water.. The greatest issue for Australia, is each state enterprits the ADR's a little differently. So what's legal in NSW, might be illegal in QLD and VIC.. I've been driving for nearly 35 years and have never been pulled up once by police for anything more than an RBT.. This is because I have never modified a car and taken it outside the ADR's. No the specs. No the rules.... and you will never have an issue. Remember one important fact. Just because you can buy a lowering kit, doesn't make it legal. If anyone has wondered why modern cars have the same height wheel arch front and rear, this is to make measuring vehicle height simpler. It's also an easy way for police to see if the vehicle has been excessively lowered.
@ Congratulations on your exceptional compliance.. I love how you took the time to explain it as if it weren't simple common sense lol. On a serious note however. It saddens me that people don't see our ADR's for what they are. They are not infallable, and they've never been about safety. They are so dated in any given year, that they could only limit new safety features if they were. The fact that most cars now sold in this country have a bonnet height that we know to be dangerous is further evidence of the transactional nature of compliance in this country. The fact is, and easy proven with any year model of commodore. You could just go around the ADR compliance laws with more money. And I know this because I have experience in getting cars complied in Australia, and I've seen the other side of the scam. What can you say about a system of strict rules that "specifies" the safe tire size differently on 2 different cars with exactly the same chassis. Like what we see with Holden and HSV.. A system that was adamant that composite body panels were not safe.. Until mercedes spent the money to get compliance and suddenly now we're fine with plastic cars glued together lol. Totally fine.. Same plastic and glue that was unsafe 30 years ago. I guess I struggle with people placing so much faith in a system that isn't performing for them and never really has. I've been fortunate to know people with the strength of character to stand up and change things. Like the guy who took on the system to make them stop forcing all motorcycles headlights to be on all the time. (Thanks Tom) And on a personal note, I can't actually imagine what it's like to be a person who has only ever eaten off the menu for their whole adult life. I don't know if that's something to be proud of.
There was discussion around in NSW that they wanted to charge people for the water they collected in their tanks and dams, Don't think it got off the ground but they are always trying to come up with a new angle of screwing the public over. The only way to beat these clowns is keep voting them out
@@ashneilroy Private Land Use Permit and it has nothing to do with working on your own car. This guy should have done some research before making the video.
@@ashneilroyGovernment kick backs or end of year Xmas party money.., it's all bullshit just like having to pay $100 in Queensland to go-to court and say Not Guilty to a speeding fine when it used to be Free... Basically it's a deterrent and to keep people in their place and keep the poor, poor after all how dare people be able to do things that a lot of Rich people have to pay to do the same thing themselves.!!
@@simondalikeable9655so what's the deal with having unregistered vehicles or working with them on your own or rented property.?? As I live in nanny state.!!
Mate, it’s not the public servants. It’s the elected officials whether that’s council, state for federal politicians. An election is coming up., maybe consider one of the other dozen or so parties that will be running. They can’t do worse than option #1 or #2 that everyone keeps electing.
I've repaired, rebuilt and maintained all my cars and bikes for nearly 60 years. I don't intend to stop. I'm sure I am not alone with this. My only advice is to keep vehicles garaged where you can do whatever out of sight. Independence is to be encouraged in all aspects of life instead of this modern trend to rely on support.
What about the stamp duty for cars over $150k in Victoria. The Andrews Govt increased it from 4.2% to now around 10% so another kick in the guts for car guys thinking about buying a once in a lifetime Ferarri, Lambo or Porsche.
Everyone should know the council cannot legally enforce the bs about what you do with your own property. Cars are items of your personal property/material. They're not vehicles unless currently registered as such. Its similar to them stealing your property when they refuse to acknowledge that what they call an unregistered vehicle is still property which a person owns and has authority over, not the petty extortionists in the local council gangs
Exactly, unless classified by them from registering it as a vehicle it could be anything, yard art, a hunk of metal. Where do they draw the line, if i cut up a car into 10 peices to where its unrecognisable is it still legally a car, or only when i weld it back together, its extremely arbitrary
@excalibur2038 even when legally "a vehicle" it's still property owned privately is a major point. Vehicle or not, it's basic private ownership rights. Without them you are defined a legal slave
What about if one of your indicator lamps are out? I was taught, if my indicators weren't working, I must make manual gestures to indicate my intention to turn. That being, if turning right, I must hold my arm out the window horizontally with my palm out (much like cyclists have to do) while, if turning left or stopping, I must hold my arm out the window vertically with my palm up.
Oh no law is pull over and get a mechanic to fix it for you don't consider driving and don't consider telling the cop you didn't know because that's lying or bullshitting and they double fine
Australian Road Rules (sections 50 & 55) prescribe the 2 hand signals permitted outside a vehicle. Using them implies you know you have a problem - in which case replace the blown globe from the full kit of spares in your boot. Problem solved.
Hey man looks like you forgot to add that petition to the description. Would you mind adding it as I and I’m sure many others would be more than willing to sign it. Keep up the great work, it’s been awesome seeing you come so far👍
I just looked it up, apparently there's a special allowance for that in both Vic and SA.. But only if your indicators don't work. So, I guess Mercedes drivers are sorted.
Nah only the Americans can sack our democratically voted prime minister, happened in 1975 when the governor general john kerr, referred to by the cia director "our inside man kerr" litterally fired the current prime minister Gough Whitlam, because he was threatening to defund pine gap. Yeo thats right the american cia director fired the democratic peoples of australia voted in prime minister. This countrys fucked
No shit if you type that with some detail into AI it'll make some cleaver funny af animation lmfaoo!! You could probably make a successful youtube channel these days using ai and not even pick up a camera or have to edit!😝🙃
I thought it was the foreigners exploiting loopholes, whingers, and the one rich guy that crashes his car twice a month with the kid that does burnouts and doesn't respect the community standards, often causing trouble 😅 That aside probably find that some developer & members of council own property in the area and got fed up cleaning oil off driveways, being kept up late, people painting in the garage without coverings and likely have money invested into certain industries that aren't doing well. Though that's just the imagination running wild, much like my lack of literacy, actual reason probably between greed and personal experiences with people in their life they don't like.
the truth is BMW drivers think that because they drive a so called prestige car, they're exempt from the rules and the rules don't apply to them. This video is a perfect example of that, this guy drives a BMW and is complaining about and trying to portray the laws as unjust because they impinge on his perceived freedoms that supposedly come with driving a BMW.
When I obtained my NSW licence, in 1969, there was a move afoot to offer motor vehicle insurance discounts to people who undertook a high performance driving course. What a great idea, I hear you say, teach people how to drive and control a car properly and you reduce the risk of accidents. The thought police then came up with the idea that it could encourage people to drive like hoons, so it got knocked on the head. The real problem is, there are too many people granted driving licences who should not have them. This will be vehemently denied by the authorities but I'm going to say it anyway, because I got it straight from the horse's mouth Well, actually, from someone who fed the horses but we'll leave it at that. In the late 1990's, NSW Motor Registry managers were told, at private meetings, they needed to pass at least 50% of "non-Caucasian" driving licence applicants because the RTA were being accused of racial discrimination. There was never anything put in writing, for obvious reasons, but it happened.
I live in Queensland. When I was 14, I used to drive my Dad and his mate home from the pub. It was the reason he would take me there. As a treat, I would be given a rum and coke whilst there. We lived several kilometres from the pub and highway driving.
Ha ha, I can relate to that! You would be ouback like me? Driving my drunk shearer father, around much the same age. Unfortunately he got me drunk more than once or twice, before Iwas a teen. I am going back to early 60's tho?
@BUSHY33GRANTHAM yeah mate, and bushy. I'm nearly 53yrs old. It was in a 1974 Nissan G60 short wheel base. We called it Dolly because it had big tyres.
They certainly are, but thats because the laws have to cater to the dumbest in society and unfortunately, as a whole, society is getting dumber by the day. Every time I hear or read "I did my own research" I know I am dealing with a fuckwit of epic proportions. So while you can blame politicians for these stupid laws, the real reason is the Dunning Kruger Effect....and if you have to look up what that means, chances are you are part of the problem
i.e. communists and leftists. Especially in SAS and Vic which are both currently under communist rule. Wokeism is a mental disease which all leftists suffer from.
Everyone needs to film police with their hand out the window holding a radar gun while sitting in their squad car and send it to Dashcams Australia for all to see SA police breaking their own laws. They enforce the law, but they have to obey too.
You're absolutely correct. You do know your own car because you own it or buy it. However, it doesn't stop most people who own them driving like complete dickheads.
Car enthusiasts are not the problem. Doddy people like you are. Yeah but how often do people who own those sport cars cause serious accidents in busy traffic? How often do doddy people like you crash your everyday, regular traffic utes towing caravans or spin out in the slightest wet weather in your SUV cos you have no idea how to control a car and then cause serious accidents involving other road users?
It's the double standards that piss me off the most. Fresh of the boat immigrants driving SUVs on the wrong side of the road for example. I don't see them getting any fines. How come they don't have to do any driving tests or prove that they can drive here especially big cars like vans or small trucks? What about old people who drive too slow without using blinkers and going through red lights? Only young people have to have P plates but not old people who should retake their tests every years over 60
@@Pia-ho9dm It's not actually the same. I got wiped out by a guy who had been here for 2 weeks and had absolutely no idea how a roundabout works, nor had he ever driven on the left, He told me it never occured to him to look right... Nobody was hooning.. He was an open licenced adult, learning how to drive completely unsupervised in a borrowed Camry. I never stood a chance. It's just not the same as kids misbehaving.
@ It's a worry hey. I live in a rural part of Qld where the problem is bad enough that they've installed road signs reminding motorists that we drive on the left in Australia. People were pulling out onto the highway and playing chicken with B-Doubles. Stay safe out there. :)
For what it's worth, the last one is not a federal or state law. The Council of Casey issue is a "local" law and only enforceable by the local council. Most "local" laws are not actually enforceable in court, the police have no jurisdiction around them, only council rangers, but the council can make your life a living hell if you don't pay their fines.
Whenever you see a politician/council doing something crazy, you just have to ask yourself how much property or what businesses do they own/shareholder/investor of. That will answer all your questions.
As a motorcyclist, the window thing only makes sense if youre fully sticking your arm outside the footprint of your vehicle, mirrors included. But this is also why motorcycle filtering is (legally) limited to 30kph so we can deal with "unexpected events"
In the city of Casey there are a lot of car dealers who’s workshops are missing out on retail work and spare parts sales because of their exorbitant workshop prices of $120+GST per hour and in some cases more. To combat for this loss of revenue I would suggest that the dealers have a principle on the council or an individual councillor that the dealers are lobbying. The Casey council is a quite large and wealthy council their rates are some of the highest in the state especially for those who live in the Harkaway area. I think this grab for cash has sinister under tones as a way to force owners back to the dealers.
You can apply to the government in your state for an exemption, but unless you have a compelling argument, it will be pointless. Having a CAMS racing licence and an extensive history in motorsport as a youngster would be your best bet. Many years ago Bernard Tomic applied (and was granted) permission to drive a M3 on his P-plates in QLD, but I doubt it would be so easy these days. The issue is always the same, young guys think they can drive far better than they can, doing stupid shit and end up either killing themselves (which I am fine with, play stupid games, win stupid prizes) or usually someone else and since the government knows young guys are always going to do stupid shit, they have to protect them from themselves because of the outcry from families that little Johnny was really a good boy and should not have died and that the government has to protect people from themselves. Everyone forgets that the only reason there are these kinds of laws is that generations of young guys continue to do stupid shit on the roads. We all did when we were young and I know that Im only here by shear luck after some of the close calls I had.
That Casey Council thing is complete BS. The Council have *expressly* stated that routine maintenance is *legal* without any kind of permit. It seems like you need a permit if you want to fill your front yard with rusting AU Falcons however.
The council changed their pages after the event and refused to acknowlege the changes made. They deleted and added things to the pages regarding Private Land Use Permits over about a week after the thing blew up. So it wasn't BS and went on to be a gaslighting exercise! There are plenty of videos detailing the changes if you want to look that up!
@@Dave-cn2foyou are correct but that was done weeks ago. This video is 3 days old, he should have told the story like you did, that they tried to implement it then sneakily changed the definition to backflip. Instead he made out like it is the case that you can't work on your car, that is now clearly not the case now.
Yes I did make another post with some of the current details on the Casy Council website. Ironically I live in Whitehorse and would currently run foul of many more regulations than if I was in Casey. Pretty much if you have any car part (not attached to a registered car) it must be in an enclosed building. So one spare tyre leaning against the fence would be an infringement in Whitehorse!
This guy clearly don't know what he's talking about. For example an arm protruding out of a vehicle has been a fineable offense along with loss of demerit points, in Victoria for nearly 40 odd years now. And as someone points out elsewhere in the comments, he clearly doesn't know anything about the PRIVATE LAND USE PERMIT which has nothing to do with whether you can 'repair your unregistered vehicle on your own property and more to do with what you can use your private property for ie doing certain activities on your property from which you might derive an income from, or engaging in activities which might impact on neighbors or that might be detrimental to the enviroment.
I'm not so sure it's quite as clear as you are implying. Have a look at Section 28 of the Casey local laws (www.casey.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/user-files/City%20%26%20Council/Publicly%20Available%20Documents/Casey%20Community%20Local%20Law%202023%20Final%20Adopted%20Enacted%20Version.pdf). It says: A person must not, except with a permit, use private land to: (a) dismantle; (b) repair; or (c) service vehicles or machinery in circumstances where the activity or use is detrimental to the amenity of the area in which the private land is located. It then goes on to talk about unregistered vehicles too. There is no implication in the laws about conducting income-generating activities involving dismantling, repairing or servicing a vehicle. This law is incredibly poorly worded, leaving it to a council worker to judge whether these activities are 'detrimental to amenity'.
I know someone who rolled his car while his arm was outside the window - it (the arm) was shattered. Even though this was over 30 years ago, I still do not drive with my arm outside the window..
Trouble is that a lot of trendy young punks think they can drive like a F1 driver when they actually can't! Then there are the modified cars that punks think are great when they are not. Many home made modifications are downright dangerous. Young drivers always think they know best when the don't!
@MrEmueyes marvellous counterpoint and brilliant refutation of the facts while entirely missing the point! F1 drivers crash and trendy young punks crash - ergo, trendy young punks can drive like F1 drivers who *crash* ex formula ford driver
Vehicle owners in the shire of Casey just need to ensure their vehicle is not identifiable by number plate or VIN…. The council can’t go any further then, they have no available information to issue a fine. As for limbs out windows😂… what a scam. It poses absolutely no risk to anyone or anything, other than the person performing the act… and they are well within their rights to put themself at risk.
We live in a country that has used road safety as a stick to beat us with for decades, all whilst casually ignoring it when it doesn't make anyone money. We used taxes and our compliance systems to allow our local car industry to sell 2nd rate cars for premium prices for 40 years. And the car companies milked it for all it was worth before leaving. We're obsessed enough about safety to make a billion dollars a year in speeding fines. But not enough to tell car companies that drum brakes are unacceptable in 2025, or that optional better brakes are a safety, not performance item. If a robot can't see your seatbelt over a black Tshirt. Massive fine.. But if you actually want to be safe with harnesses and a rollcage.. That's another fine. It's a bad joke that we drive around in cars from the future, with speed limits from 1974. And somehow our roads are less safe than ever, and insurance premiums prove it. I'm honestly sick of safety being the excuse for laws are only about compliance and revenue.
"I think people with 5+ years of experience should be able to handle these cars.". I have seen people with 20 years experience who can't handle a Toyota Corolla.
Think back to the incident that brought this legislation about that killed one girl and severely injured another. The drive driver of the Lamborghini that killed the young girl basically walked away because he was inexperienced driving that car. Agree that the licence upgrade requirement in SA is ridiculous. But having seen people jump into these cars with no experience at all of the power take them for a joy ride there needs something like a weekend driving test in the car with a sign off from a qualified high speed during instructor to make people realise they’re in something that can catch you out. Police drivers have graded licenses that allow them to drive faster pursuit vehicles, something like that.
That seems fair - if someone who has nothing to do with you is low IQ and uncoordinated, then you should be made to jump through hoops and pay more money. That works out well because enforcing the law requires actual work. (Unless you play for the NRL, then we just ignore it) We don't like having to work - we just like the paycheck.
@@johnnykeys1978 no because the vehicle was illegally modified and the child died as a result charges amongst other things dangerous driving causing death and driving unlicensed vehicle so it should never have been on the road
That UHPV license highlights how stupid the Govt' clowns are that came up with it. Forget about the history or incident that created it, aka no justice for that poor girl and her family from a Government that only pretends to be concerned about justice. But power to weight ratio measured from where by who with what? Anyone that knows anything about Dyno's and manufacturers claimed power and weight figures knows that a lot of these figures and claims are almost plucked out of the air by marketing departments not engineers. It's a bit like our gun laws, created by clueless dickheads.
In Australia, we have Road Rules. They are not laws. And councils can demand what ever they like. Unless you have a contractual agreement with them, they have ZERO power and authority over you and your property.
Having a limb hanging out of your car is a safety issue. There is evidence for this. A friend’s mother was lucky to only lose part of a finger during an accident. She used to hang onto the roof.
My old boss got off on the elbow out the window fine as the door on the mk5 Jag was so wide that his elbow was still inside the line of the car. It was the 80s.
Wouldn't it be great to see some real road safety actions been taken.Such as imprisonment for those youth stealing cars and going on to cause carnage and taking the lives of other innocent road users.
I hadnt even lived here a year and we both got a ticket for my elbow on the window sill as a passenger. It was the worst introduction to the country I had experienced. My partner also got a ticket for my elbow being out the window! Qld was horrible
The 'parts of your body out of the car' thing is very debatable on my Fraser Clubman, as it has no roof, windscreen, or doors. The a large part of me is 'out' of the car all the time.
there will always be someone dumb enough to jump up on what they think is a high horse and talk down to you for suggesting that, whilst proselytizing about how they got their license because they are good citizens. (Then watches ABC)
There has got to be a better country or place to live in. It is getting ridiculous. You don’t own shit. You’re never an adult - you can’t think for yourself - calculate your own risk. What do we do…
maybe go and get the actual information instead of listening to a bloke on youtube? the one having to pay a permit for working on your vehicle at home is simply not true. even the bit about unrego'd vehicles on your property is blown out of proportion. www.casey.vic.gov.au/news/private-land-use-permits-casey-community-local-law
Next they'll be telling you need to be a certified chef and have a permit to cook in your own kitchen, be an electrician to switch the light's on, plumber to flush the toilet and be a firefighter when having a BBQ.
I hate living in Australia and being a car enthusiast. I lost my license for going 10km over the limit thanks to HWP, then I got pulled over for driving without a license AFTER BEING TOLD TO DRIVE HOME WHAT THE FUCK. So now I have to go to court.
As a hyabusa rider, ultra high powered cars seem a bit sluggish🙃. We still need to get a big bike licence to have it though. They are catching up with the reevenue grab.
Its always been illegal to have any body part out the window , this is the reason council is charging bogans for having unregistered cars in their yards is its a bloody eye sore . Who wants to live or walk past old cars in front yards and drive ways that are half pulled apart pissing out oil and parts laying everywhere.
The arm ones kind of valid tbf. I mean that's how my Grandad lost his right arm, he was driving with the arm out and then hit by a truck and took his arm. So.... imo it's a valid law, except you should be allowed to like wave or signal out the window cause sometimes other drivers can't see you or your signals.
Car makers can sell them and make $$$ because their products are safe and approved. You however can't use that same cars standard features because they are unsafe and not suitable for the road.
Casey council can't make laws, it's a council bi law, the cops have nothing to do with it, and i call bs on your mates dogs sisters grandma, this seems life an application for a job on a current affair not a factual video
Councils have NO jurisdiction or authority on your property - period. Even police can't come on to your property without a warrant. Simple - tell them to get the f out or be charged. Police will charge them with trespassing. This has happened many times. Problem solved...
They cannot really enforce what you do on private property when repairing/servicing your car, as long as you're not running a car wreckers from home. Also they need to catch people in the act and being dobbed in from a neighbour isn't going to cut it. I've had to deal with certain types on people that think you're nature strip is their own drive way and it took me sending in photos and complaints to Cardina shire 6+ times over a year for them to do something about it. Councils are damn lazy.
The Government knows it needs to be seen to be taking action on these matters. It also knows most people don't read anything past the headline. So when the news article reports "New Licence Class For Ultra High Powered Vehicles", those people think "Good", the few that read further into the article think "Why?", the car community thinks "How is that a solution?", while the police think "Great, now we can pull them over even when no laws have been broken". The law about having any part of your body outside the vehicle's cabin should not be enforced for stationary vehicles. Police need to use discretion when issuing this fine, and failing that we need to contest it until a precedent is established. I recall in the late eighties my father receiving this fine, or more specifically "The owner of the vehicle" because it wasn't issued upon a traffic stop, rather left under the wiper on the windscreen! We were in Melbourne to visit my Grandfather, who was dying. Dad was bringing us kids (my cousins and I) to the hospital to say goodbye. My older cousin was in the passenger seat and was the one with his hand outside the window. Dad had even mentioned how it was illegal to do so, but my cousin just brushed his comment off. On the way back to our grandparent's house, I noticed the ticket of the windscreen. At first, Dad thought it was a parking fine, until my cousin reached out the window to grab it (oh the irony) and read the description of the infringement. Dad's only words were, "Right, put the windows up now!" and the rest of the drive was awkwardly silent. The City of Casey case is the pinnacle of bureaucracy madness. However, with enough push back from residents and support from communities and business's across the greater Melbourne area, the right outcome is possible. Corruption was rife within that council, all decisions made during that time should be open to critical review and any regulations that borne from those decisions should be removed if it can be shown the residents do not support them. If the City of Casey is allowed to get away with this rot uncontested, you can guarantee it will spread to other LGA's in time. TL;DR ▪Question the purpose and effectiveness of any new laws ▪Challenge infringements if they don't represent the law they are issued for ▪Show support for your neighbour's plight, don't wait until it becomes your problem. Otherwise, be prepared to raise the height of your property fences.
Another thing that makes no sense is how L platers are allowed to drive "high performance" cars but with red and green p platers it's strictly forbidden. Also the car system in Australia is generally flawed as all police forces suit to their own entitled opinion, they all vary and contradict each other. For example, a p plater could get written up for using an ipod to play music in the car when it actually is not against Australian law. Some officers will argue that it could be used as a phone when in fact it's a media player. You also aren't even allowed to use hands-free bluetooth synced via your phone, which also sucks since the whole point of hands-free in the first place is to control what you are playing via the steering wheel; which therefore offers no distraction. Yet this alone can cost your license. I probably speak for all of Australia when I think that the majority of laws recently implemented are introduced by intellectually lazy politicians who have done little to no research in the philosophy of driving and other topics that are entirely out of their specialty. That social media ban introduced recently quite literally proves this, and has contradicted Australia's own privacy laws.
I recently followed a guy out of a servo having just filled up. About a kilometre down the road he lit up a cigarette. He must have splashed petrol on his hand or arm, because as soon as he lit up his arm caught fire. He stuck his arm out the window trying to put the flames. A highway patrol officer saw him and pulled him over. He got charged with possession of a fire arm.
ah yes I went to school with folks like you. The reality is most folk have significantly more self control and impulse control and did NOT fuck everything. But yes, everyone has to pay for it. So thanks for that. Good job.
If you're on your way to Supercheap to get things to fix your indicators, You still need to tell drivers what way you're going to the best of your abilities. They just made, hand signal indicating illegal
we out-number these politicians by 100,000's to 1. if all Australian's came together, forgot about our differences and said 'No' we're not doing it. And demanded that they step down, then this Sh!t stops, but the longer we just complain and do nothing or wait for someone else to do something, then they politicians will continue to push
And yet in the SA learners handbook page 61, they describe how to use hand signals, which involves putting your hand out of the car. Is this a contradiction??
Its not just car laws its EVERYTHING. If your hoby is 4wd, dirtbike riding, camping, hunting, fishing, boating ect. Labour & Liberal never rain in the over zealous bureaucrats. Dont like it, stop voting labour/liberal, vote freedom parties.
Having a aftermarket muffler on a lams approved motorcycle makes the bike non lams approved which means 8 point fine and roughly $900. Can be for as little as modified indicators if you got a bad enough cop.
Arms out has always been findable in NSW. Your argument for Special Licence is ‘it’s too easy’ so the answer is let’s make it more skill based (a point I absolutely agree with) so the upgrade should at least be part of an advanced driving course to be completed at drivers expense through certified companies, similar to motorcycle courses here in NSW. on your third point it is my understanding that the Casey case is a local council directive and has nothing to do at state level. I am happy to be directed to the state legislature if I’m wrong but if it’s a local council then they will enforce NOT police or other bodies I would reckon.
5:15 saying that someone just off their 'P's can handle a high powered car is laughable. The thing that makes you able to handle a high powered car is 1) actual brains between your ears and 2) plenty of time behind the wheel of a high powered car progressively learning where the boundaries are. In support of this assertion is countless videos of idiots with full licenses crashing their high powered cars.
Australian government is a private corporation and are required to abide by contract law. Don't register your car and you won't have any problems plus fill out appropriate u.c.c paperwork. Know your rights people.
@PerformanceNic, if you've been researching "laws" to make this video, maybe consider having a look at the series of videos by yours truly about what these so-called law-makers have been doing with the statute books while we slept. If said makers have no legitimacy, then neither do their mutterings and scribblings.
We're completely fucked here in Aus. You want to take the risk and put your arm out the window, that's on you. whats that you modified your car and it passed an engineers report? nah defect and now you have to prove it wrong. People complain about the noise of race tracks that the Government allowed people to build homes around, then propose to close them then complain about hoons :S Pulled over for going 4kph over the speed limit is a real valuable use of police resources guys, trust me it keeps us all safe......
how do you fix your own car on your own property? You park it in your "Car Fixing Space" ... and don't open the damn door. restoring a car? Long term project? Hire a storage shed. Stick a sign up on the door that says "Joe Bloggs Car Fixin' Business" There. Now you have a commercial space to fix your car. You don't need to register a business to trade as it :) So long as "No trading is actually going on" hahaha.
It seems a lot of people (disingenuously?) miss the point of the UHP license - it's obviously got nothing to do with driver skill, and it seems pretty obvious to me that that's not the idea. It's to make sure there is a targeted consequence for people who drive irresponsibly on the road in their UHP vehicles. Obviously you can already lose your license for your driving, but in the current system, once you get your license back, you're back in business. I imagine that with this scheme in place, you run the risk of being refused the privelege of being granted another UHP license after a loss of license, meaning you will not legally be able to drive your UHP vehicle. The logic around not being allowed to use a button in a car you own is also pretty silly. Just because the button is there doesn't mean it's intended for road use by the manufacturer. It makes sense that the higher power the vehicle, the more potentially dangerous it is to be disabling things like TCS/ESC. The benefit of not touching your TCS/ECS mode buttons on the street for someone like yourself is that you'll no longer have to worry about spinning your wheels in the wet and possibly getting in trouble with the police, which you mentioned in a previous video as as a reason Australia apparently sucks if you're a car enthusiast. 😅
If we had a constitution like America, we wouldn't be in this predicament... The Casey car permit wouldn't be able to be informed because of the 4th amendment (unreasonable searches and seizures from the government)
2:34 that makes zero sense. So someone who has an old supercar without electronic assists, like a ford GT or f40 are not allowed to drive on the road? This is completely ridiculous. So someone with a lower powered car can disable their ESC, but someone with an "ultra high performance vehicle" cannot do it, even though the 'test" they had was supposedly meant to equip them with the skills to handle their car. So logically, the actual purpose of the license is to get people to understand that their car is fast and the manufactures engineers developed driving aids which ( obviously) makes the car safer. Why would there be an option, from factory, to turn the assist off? That's the definition of a nanny state. 3:10 how are they going to police that though? It's absolute lunacy.
Aus Cops:
Modified Car - "Jail"
Youth Crime - "Meh Bail"
What are you 12? You do realise that it’s not the cops who make bail available to little shits? It’s the lawyers/courts that let them out.
Exactly right
😂😂😂 too true!
Gaol fella, & don’t drop the soap
It not the police that is easy on youth crime. It's the courts. I know some police officers that would like to hand out their own justice for some young offenders who just keep getting away with it but can't.
rip australia.
this country used to be the greatest.
going downhill everyday
Yep, we are past the nanny State and into the police State now.
@@FairladyS130 even communist states give you more freedom now days.
Politicians can't even park their own vehicle and their trying to tell you how to drive. That's crazy.
Been a motorcyclist for six decades. My current ADV bike makes around 110 hp. It weighs 230kg. Roughly 450hp/tonne. Way in excess of the supercar licence requirements. I ride this bike on dirt, just as I have done my entire life. It's the first bike I've ever owned with traction control, which is always switched off. I wonder when the cops will tell me this is illegal. Particularly when ALL my body parts are outside of the vehicle. Oh.....I live in South Australia!
Make is make sense 🤣such illogical bs
You should be right as long as you keep your arms inside the windows mate.
Yes but it's not a super car...so you should be fine or is that fined.
If your motorbike is within the Australian Design Rules(ADR's) for motorcycles/motor vehicles , you will never have an issue!
This is so basic. If you modify any vehicle that takes it outside the scope of the ADR's, you will land yourself in hot water..
The greatest issue for Australia, is each state enterprits the ADR's a little differently. So what's legal in NSW, might be illegal in QLD and VIC..
I've been driving for nearly 35 years and have never been pulled up once by police for anything more than an RBT.. This is because I have never modified a car and taken it outside the ADR's.
No the specs. No the rules.... and you will never have an issue.
Remember one important fact. Just because you can buy a lowering kit, doesn't make it legal.
If anyone has wondered why modern cars have the same height wheel arch front and rear, this is to make measuring vehicle height simpler. It's also an easy way for police to see if the vehicle has been excessively lowered.
@ Congratulations on your exceptional compliance.. I love how you took the time to explain it as if it weren't simple common sense lol.
On a serious note however. It saddens me that people don't see our ADR's for what they are. They are not infallable, and they've never been about safety. They are so dated in any given year, that they could only limit new safety features if they were. The fact that most cars now sold in this country have a bonnet height that we know to be dangerous is further evidence of the transactional nature of compliance in this country.
The fact is, and easy proven with any year model of commodore. You could just go around the ADR compliance laws with more money. And I know this because I have experience in getting cars complied in Australia, and I've seen the other side of the scam. What can you say about a system of strict rules that "specifies" the safe tire size differently on 2 different cars with exactly the same chassis. Like what we see with Holden and HSV.. A system that was adamant that composite body panels were not safe.. Until mercedes spent the money to get compliance and suddenly now we're fine with plastic cars glued together lol. Totally fine.. Same plastic and glue that was unsafe 30 years ago.
I guess I struggle with people placing so much faith in a system that isn't performing for them and never really has. I've been fortunate to know people with the strength of character to stand up and change things. Like the guy who took on the system to make them stop forcing all motorcycles headlights to be on all the time. (Thanks Tom)
And on a personal note, I can't actually imagine what it's like to be a person who has only ever eaten off the menu for their whole adult life. I don't know if that's something to be proud of.
This is just outrageous. What else do they want to enforce next? Charging us for breathing oxygen in our cars or properties?
How did you know?,, this is next.
There was discussion around in NSW that they wanted to charge people for the water they collected in their tanks and dams, Don't think it got off the ground but they are always trying to come up with a new angle of screwing the public over. The only way to beat these clowns is keep voting them out
You're exhaling CO2, that's called a carbon tax. We kept saying it, and now it's here.
The arsehole got away with killing a young girl. The bastard should be in gaol for years
@@thesheep3077 came here to say the same thing it's crazy how many people don't know that
I saw a Vic Hwy Patrol driver recently with his arm on the door and hand at the top of the door in suburbia
public servants are above the law - wakey wakey! hand off snakey!
Police:"do you know why i pulled you over?"
me: "why?"
police: "you pressed that button which comes from factory in your car pay up"
Police: do you know why i pulled you over?
me: i was hoping you knew!
@@andyman8630 Alright wise guy, you're under arrest for obstruction of justice!
@
very funny! i'm not even obliged to answer at all
Arm resting on the window is no more dangerous than riding a motorcycle lol
at least they can fingerprint the arm when they find it after an MVA fatality.
exactly lol
here we go! there's always one in the crowd who just has to use logic!
There is no logic or uniformity in our laws, they are the product of knee jerk politicians who can't do their real jobs competently.
Excuse me! There’s no place for commonsense thank you very much. Back in your hole! 😂
Wtaf pay to have a car that's not even being driven on roads?
TF does the government have to do with your land and your possessions. And pay a fee to do work on your own car? I don't believe it
What is that permit called?
@@ashneilroy Private Land Use Permit and it has nothing to do with working on your own car. This guy should have done some research before making the video.
@@ashneilroyGovernment kick backs or end of year Xmas party money.., it's all bullshit just like having to pay $100 in Queensland to go-to court and say Not Guilty to a speeding fine when it used to be Free... Basically it's a deterrent and to keep people in their place and keep the poor, poor after all how dare people be able to do things that a lot of Rich people have to pay to do the same thing themselves.!!
@@simondalikeable9655so what's the deal with having unregistered vehicles or working with them on your own or rented property.?? As I live in nanny state.!!
Public SERVANTS think they are the MASTERS. Get a heap of people together and go to the council meetings and tell them this so-called law is finished.
Mate, it’s not the public servants. It’s the elected officials whether that’s council, state for federal politicians.
An election is coming up., maybe consider one of the other dozen or so parties that will be running. They can’t do worse than option #1 or #2 that everyone keeps electing.
I've repaired, rebuilt and maintained all my cars and bikes for nearly 60 years. I don't intend to stop.
I'm sure I am not alone with this.
My only advice is to keep vehicles garaged where you can do whatever out of sight.
Independence is to be encouraged in all aspects of life instead of this modern trend to rely on support.
What about the stamp duty for cars over $150k in Victoria. The Andrews Govt increased it from 4.2% to now around 10% so another kick in the guts for car guys thinking about buying a once in a lifetime Ferarri, Lambo or Porsche.
Let's make luxury exclusive again. There's too many bogans and hobos in lambos these days.
@@bushpig6837 Please let me know what fantasy land you're living in
Rego the car in south Australia
@Bohemiahotrodandcustom In S.A a car of $150k is about $9k s/duty. In Vic it's about $15k.
Aand they wont fix lot of potholes on gv highway, only put 60 limit signs in middle of 110 highway 😂
Vote the council out.
Cops would have a stroke 🤔with a Convertible 😂😂
Everyone should know the council cannot legally enforce the bs about what you do with your own property. Cars are items of your personal property/material. They're not vehicles unless currently registered as such. Its similar to them stealing your property when they refuse to acknowledge that what they call an unregistered vehicle is still property which a person owns and has authority over, not the petty extortionists in the local council gangs
Exactly, unless classified by them from registering it as a vehicle it could be anything, yard art, a hunk of metal. Where do they draw the line, if i cut up a car into 10 peices to where its unrecognisable is it still legally a car, or only when i weld it back together, its extremely arbitrary
@excalibur2038 even when legally "a vehicle" it's still property owned privately is a major point. Vehicle or not, it's basic private ownership rights. Without them you are defined a legal slave
Demerit points, maccas points, points for this n that. We’re living in a videogame. A farming simulation
"we the sheople"
@ baa?
yep makes it easier to pull the rug over us... over and over again, generationally. We are slaves 🤫
Good point......
I'll see myself out.
What about if one of your indicator lamps are out? I was taught, if my indicators weren't working, I must make manual gestures to indicate my intention to turn. That being, if turning right, I must hold my arm out the window horizontally with my palm out (much like cyclists have to do) while, if turning left or stopping, I must hold my arm out the window vertically with my palm up.
Oh no law is pull over and get a mechanic to fix it for you don't consider driving and don't consider telling the cop you didn't know because that's lying or bullshitting and they double fine
Australian Road Rules (sections 50 & 55) prescribe the 2 hand signals permitted outside a vehicle. Using them implies you know you have a problem - in which case replace the blown globe from the full kit of spares in your boot. Problem solved.
Hey man looks like you forgot to add that petition to the description. Would you mind adding it as I and I’m sure many others would be more than willing to sign it. Keep up the great work, it’s been awesome seeing you come so far👍
please add i will sighn it is there any fees?
My bad, edited now and can sign
@ cheers man
so in the case of indicator or brake light fail they tell you to use hand signals OUTSIDE THE FUCKING WINDOW WHAT TF YOU WANT US TO DO NOW
I just looked it up, apparently there's a special allowance for that in both Vic and SA.. But only if your indicators don't work. So, I guess Mercedes drivers are sorted.
So then they defect the vehicle. @@M3rVsT4H
what are we supposed 2 do? can we sack the prime minster and dutton?
Nah only the Americans can sack our democratically voted prime minister, happened in 1975 when the governor general john kerr, referred to by the cia director "our inside man kerr" litterally fired the current prime minister Gough Whitlam, because he was threatening to defund pine gap. Yeo thats right the american cia director fired the democratic peoples of australia voted in prime minister. This countrys fucked
The prime minister of the state? Did you fail year 8 SOSE?
Road revenue. Can someone please create an animated series about Australian cops. Kinda like Pauline Hanson’s animated series 😂
No shit if you type that with some detail into AI it'll make some cleaver funny af animation lmfaoo!!
You could probably make a successful youtube channel these days using ai and not even pick up a camera or have to edit!😝🙃
@@ElMuzhighz Like the youtube channel scaredketchup?
The reason the laws are getting crazy is cause bmw drivers dont use their blinkers...
lol
I thought it was the foreigners exploiting loopholes, whingers, and the one rich guy that crashes his car twice a month with the kid that does burnouts and doesn't respect the community standards, often causing trouble 😅
That aside probably find that some developer & members of council own property in the area and got fed up cleaning oil off driveways, being kept up late, people painting in the garage without coverings and likely have money invested into certain industries that aren't doing well.
Though that's just the imagination running wild, much like my lack of literacy, actual reason probably between greed and personal experiences with people in their life they don't like.
Well, crash stats from some countries certainly indicate that BMW and Audi drivers are over represented in crash stats. So, you may be right.
the truth is BMW drivers think that because they drive a so called prestige car, they're exempt from the rules and the rules don't apply to them. This video is a perfect example of that, this guy drives a BMW and is complaining about and trying to portray the laws as unjust because they impinge on his perceived freedoms that supposedly come with driving a BMW.
To be fair, its a huge priced optional extra for blinkers
I can't imagine being stuck on my L's for 2 years that's actually insane.
When I obtained my NSW licence, in 1969, there was a move afoot to offer motor vehicle insurance discounts to people who undertook a high performance driving course. What a great idea, I hear you say, teach people how to drive and control a car properly and you reduce the risk of accidents. The thought police then came up with the idea that it could encourage people to drive like hoons, so it got knocked on the head. The real problem is, there are too many people granted driving licences who should not have them.
This will be vehemently denied by the authorities but I'm going to say it anyway, because I got it straight from the horse's mouth Well, actually, from someone who fed the horses but we'll leave it at that. In the late 1990's, NSW Motor Registry managers were told, at private meetings, they needed to pass at least 50% of "non-Caucasian" driving licence applicants because the RTA were being accused of racial discrimination. There was never anything put in writing, for obvious reasons, but it happened.
I live in Queensland. When I was 14, I used to drive my Dad and his mate home from the pub. It was the reason he would take me there. As a treat, I would be given a rum and coke whilst there. We lived several kilometres from the pub and highway driving.
Ha ha, I can relate to that! You would be ouback like me? Driving my drunk shearer father, around much the same age. Unfortunately he got me drunk more than once or twice, before Iwas a teen. I am going back to early 60's tho?
@BUSHY33GRANTHAM yeah mate, and bushy. I'm nearly 53yrs old. It was in a 1974 Nissan G60 short wheel base. We called it Dolly because it had big tyres.
@@STEPHENATKINSON-u4b Cheers bruz 👍😊
Our politicians are beyond crazy.
They certainly are, but thats because the laws have to cater to the dumbest in society and unfortunately, as a whole, society is getting dumber by the day. Every time I hear or read "I did my own research" I know I am dealing with a fuckwit of epic proportions.
So while you can blame politicians for these stupid laws, the real reason is the Dunning Kruger Effect....and if you have to look up what that means, chances are you are part of the problem
i.e. communists and leftists. Especially in SAS and Vic which are both currently under communist rule. Wokeism is a mental disease which all leftists suffer from.
Everyone needs
to film police with
their hand out the
window holding a
radar gun while sitting
in their squad car and
send it to Dashcams
Australia for all to see
SA police breaking their
own laws. They enforce the
law, but they have to obey too.
🇦🇺😎👍Do 20 kms over the speed limit ( miss a sign ) and you automatically loose your gun licence ( unsuitable person )
You're absolutely correct. You do know your own car because you own it or buy it. However, it doesn't stop most people who own them driving like complete dickheads.
Car enthusiasts are not the problem. Doddy people like you are. Yeah but how often do people who own those sport cars cause serious accidents in busy traffic?
How often do doddy people like you crash your everyday, regular traffic utes towing caravans or spin out in the slightest wet weather in your SUV cos you have no idea how to control a car and then cause serious accidents involving other road users?
Most? You're sure about that? Most?
It's the double standards that piss me off the most. Fresh of the boat immigrants driving SUVs on the wrong side of the road for example. I don't see them getting any fines. How come they don't have to do any driving tests or prove that they can drive here especially big cars like vans or small trucks? What about old people who drive too slow without using blinkers and going through red lights? Only young people have to have P plates but not old people who should retake their tests every years over 60
True, but I've seen plenty of younger drivers drive like absolute cockheads, swerving through traffic with no indicators.
@@Pia-ho9dm It's not actually the same. I got wiped out by a guy who had been here for 2 weeks and had absolutely no idea how a roundabout works, nor had he ever driven on the left, He told me it never occured to him to look right... Nobody was hooning.. He was an open licenced adult, learning how to drive completely unsupervised in a borrowed Camry. I never stood a chance. It's just not the same as kids misbehaving.
@@M3rVsT4H true. I had someone come through a roundabout on a main road on the wrong side of the road towards me.
@ It's a worry hey. I live in a rural part of Qld where the problem is bad enough that they've installed road signs reminding motorists that we drive on the left in Australia. People were pulling out onto the highway and playing chicken with B-Doubles. Stay safe out there. :)
For what it's worth, the last one is not a federal or state law. The Council of Casey issue is a "local" law and only enforceable by the local council. Most "local" laws are not actually enforceable in court, the police have no jurisdiction around them, only council rangers, but the council can make your life a living hell if you don't pay their fines.
Whenever you see a politician/council doing something crazy, you just have to ask yourself how much property or what businesses do they own/shareholder/investor of. That will answer all your questions.
As a motorcyclist, the window thing only makes sense if youre fully sticking your arm outside the footprint of your vehicle, mirrors included. But this is also why motorcycle filtering is (legally) limited to 30kph so we can deal with "unexpected events"
Lit cigarette butt out the window in NSW during a fire ban. 10 dermit points and a $5,500 - $11,000 on the spot fine. This one is deserved, though. 👏
In the city of Casey there are a lot of car dealers who’s workshops are missing out on retail work and spare parts sales because of their exorbitant workshop prices of $120+GST per hour and in some cases more. To combat for this loss of revenue I would suggest that the dealers have a principle on the council or an individual councillor that the dealers are lobbying. The Casey council is a quite large and wealthy council their rates are some of the highest in the state especially for those who live in the Harkaway area. I think this grab for cash has sinister under tones as a way to force owners back to the dealers.
Sack the council and make them known to the public
Hey Nic, love the content, could you explain the p plate prohibited car laws? What must be done to drive a car over the power to weight limit?
You can apply to the government in your state for an exemption, but unless you have a compelling argument, it will be pointless. Having a CAMS racing licence and an extensive history in motorsport as a youngster would be your best bet. Many years ago Bernard Tomic applied (and was granted) permission to drive a M3 on his P-plates in QLD, but I doubt it would be so easy these days.
The issue is always the same, young guys think they can drive far better than they can, doing stupid shit and end up either killing themselves (which I am fine with, play stupid games, win stupid prizes) or usually someone else and since the government knows young guys are always going to do stupid shit, they have to protect them from themselves because of the outcry from families that little Johnny was really a good boy and should not have died and that the government has to protect people from themselves.
Everyone forgets that the only reason there are these kinds of laws is that generations of young guys continue to do stupid shit on the roads.
We all did when we were young and I know that Im only here by shear luck after some of the close calls I had.
The only person I know who ever got permission, was applying to drive a V8 company car which was "required for work".
That Casey Council thing is complete BS. The Council have *expressly* stated that routine maintenance is *legal* without any kind of permit. It seems like you need a permit if you want to fill your front yard with rusting AU Falcons however.
The council changed their pages after the event and refused to acknowlege the changes made. They deleted and added things to the pages regarding Private Land Use Permits over about a week after the thing blew up. So it wasn't BS and went on to be a gaslighting exercise! There are plenty of videos detailing the changes if you want to look that up!
@@Dave-cn2foyou are correct but that was done weeks ago. This video is 3 days old, he should have told the story like you did, that they tried to implement it then sneakily changed the definition to backflip.
Instead he made out like it is the case that you can't work on your car, that is now clearly not the case now.
Yes I did make another post with some of the current details on the Casy Council website. Ironically I live in Whitehorse and would currently run foul of many more regulations than if I was in Casey. Pretty much if you have any car part (not attached to a registered car) it must be in an enclosed building. So one spare tyre leaning against the fence would be an infringement in Whitehorse!
This guy clearly don't know what he's talking about. For example an arm protruding out of a vehicle has been a fineable offense along with loss of demerit points, in Victoria for nearly 40 odd years now. And as someone points out elsewhere in the comments, he clearly doesn't know anything about the PRIVATE LAND USE PERMIT which has nothing to do with whether you can 'repair your unregistered vehicle on your own property and more to do with what you can use your private property for ie doing certain activities on your property from which you might derive an income from, or engaging in activities which might impact on neighbors or that might be detrimental to the enviroment.
Agree he doesn't know what his talking about
I'm not so sure it's quite as clear as you are implying. Have a look at Section 28 of the Casey local laws (www.casey.vic.gov.au/sites/default/files/user-files/City%20%26%20Council/Publicly%20Available%20Documents/Casey%20Community%20Local%20Law%202023%20Final%20Adopted%20Enacted%20Version.pdf).
It says:
A person must not, except with a permit, use private land to: (a) dismantle; (b) repair; or (c) service vehicles or machinery in circumstances where the activity or use is detrimental to the amenity of the area in which the private land is located.
It then goes on to talk about unregistered vehicles too. There is no implication in the laws about conducting income-generating activities involving dismantling, repairing or servicing a vehicle. This law is incredibly poorly worded, leaving it to a council worker to judge whether these activities are 'detrimental to amenity'.
Even after pausing the video I can still hear him whining. Your drivers license is a privilege..
I know someone who rolled his car while his arm was outside the window - it (the arm) was shattered. Even though this was over 30 years ago, I still do not drive with my arm outside the window..
It’s not cost of living crisis. It’s the cost of bad government that we’re being burdened with.
Signed the petition brah. Thanks for bringing out to our attention
My pleasure, the more people who see this the better
Trouble is that a lot of trendy young punks think they can drive like a F1 driver when they actually can't!
Then there are the modified cars that punks think are great when they are not. Many home made modifications are downright dangerous.
Young drivers always think they know best when the don't!
even F1 drivers crash! so yeah, young punks can actually drive like F1 drivers
@@andyman8630 obviously your one of those trendy young punks
@MrEmueyes
marvellous counterpoint and brilliant refutation of the facts while entirely missing the point! F1 drivers crash and trendy young punks crash - ergo, trendy young punks can drive like F1 drivers who *crash*
ex formula ford driver
Vehicle owners in the shire of Casey just need to ensure their vehicle is not identifiable by number plate or VIN…. The council can’t go any further then, they have no available information to issue a fine.
As for limbs out windows😂… what a scam. It poses absolutely no risk to anyone or anything, other than the person performing the act… and they are well within their rights to put themself at risk.
Well. this video pissed me the fuck off today. LMAO
We live in a country that has used road safety as a stick to beat us with for decades, all whilst casually ignoring it when it doesn't make anyone money. We used taxes and our compliance systems to allow our local car industry to sell 2nd rate cars for premium prices for 40 years. And the car companies milked it for all it was worth before leaving. We're obsessed enough about safety to make a billion dollars a year in speeding fines. But not enough to tell car companies that drum brakes are unacceptable in 2025, or that optional better brakes are a safety, not performance item. If a robot can't see your seatbelt over a black Tshirt. Massive fine.. But if you actually want to be safe with harnesses and a rollcage.. That's another fine.
It's a bad joke that we drive around in cars from the future, with speed limits from 1974. And somehow our roads are less safe than ever, and insurance premiums prove it. I'm honestly sick of safety being the excuse for laws are only about compliance and revenue.
"I think people with 5+ years of experience should be able to handle these cars.". I have seen people with 20 years experience who can't handle a Toyota Corolla.
I switched to motorcycles years ago, and I can't go back. Free parking, no traffic jam, waving my hands while riding. 😂
Think back to the incident that brought this legislation about that killed one girl and severely injured another. The drive driver of the Lamborghini that killed the young girl basically walked away because he was inexperienced driving that car. Agree that the licence upgrade requirement in SA is ridiculous. But having seen people jump into these cars with no experience at all of the power take them for a joy ride there needs something like a weekend driving test in the car with a sign off from a qualified high speed during instructor to make people realise they’re in something that can catch you out. Police drivers have graded licenses that allow them to drive faster pursuit vehicles, something like that.
That seems fair - if someone who has nothing to do with you is low IQ and uncoordinated, then you should be made to jump through hoops and pay more money. That works out well because enforcing the law requires actual work. (Unless you play for the NRL, then we just ignore it) We don't like having to work - we just like the paycheck.
and an incident i am familiar with involves the death of a 4yr old boy killed by his father as a result of the father illegally modifying his vehicle
@ was the crash itself legal? Do we already have laws against crashing?
@@johnnykeys1978 no because the vehicle was illegally modified and the child died as a result charges amongst other things dangerous driving causing death and driving unlicensed vehicle so it should never have been on the road
@@Bristolcentaurus wait so the mods caused the death and not the crash?
Go buy a 1990's 1ltr sports bike (zero abs, zero traction control
That UHPV license highlights how stupid the Govt' clowns are that came up with it. Forget about the history or incident that created it, aka no justice for that poor girl and her family from a Government that only pretends to be concerned about justice. But power to weight ratio measured from where by who with what? Anyone that knows anything about Dyno's and manufacturers claimed power and weight figures knows that a lot of these figures and claims are almost plucked out of the air by marketing departments not engineers. It's a bit like our gun laws, created by clueless dickheads.
Who sits down around a table and comes up with the new laws?
The stone cutters?!
In Australia, we have Road Rules. They are not laws.
And councils can demand what ever they like. Unless you have a contractual agreement with them, they have ZERO power and authority over you and your property.
MELBOURNE Booze bus sign in 2025.
- NOW TESTING FOR ALCOHOL
- NOW TESTING FOR DRUGS
- NOW TESTING FOR SPF 40+
Having a limb hanging out of your car is a safety issue. There is evidence for this. A friend’s mother was lucky to only lose part of a finger during an accident. She used to hang onto the roof.
My old boss got off on the elbow out the window fine as the door on the mk5 Jag was so wide that his elbow was still inside the line of the car. It was the 80s.
Wouldn't it be great to see some real road safety actions been taken.Such as imprisonment for those youth stealing cars and going on to cause carnage and taking the lives of other innocent road users.
I hadnt even lived here a year and we both got a ticket for my elbow on the window sill as a passenger. It was the worst introduction to the country I had experienced. My partner also got a ticket for my elbow being out the window! Qld was horrible
I'm surprised there isn't a law(or fine) as yet against driving a convertible and not wearing sunscreen.
The 'parts of your body out of the car' thing is very debatable on my Fraser Clubman, as it has no roof, windscreen, or doors. The a large part of me is 'out' of the car all the time.
The New World Order decrees those type of vehicles are verboten.
Atchung! Nein! You der protest?
Vee haf vays of einhalten !!
All of Australia should stop renewing our licences.
Completely stop paying the government.
there will always be someone dumb enough to jump up on what they think is a high horse and talk down to you for suggesting that, whilst proselytizing about how they got their license because they are good citizens. (Then watches ABC)
what a stupid idea.
@ case in point
@@bobwilliams-k8k how is it stupid?
There has got to be a better country or place to live in. It is getting ridiculous. You don’t own shit. You’re never an adult - you can’t think for yourself - calculate your own risk. What do we do…
start listening to the conspiracy theorists that you love to mock.
maybe go and get the actual information instead of listening to a bloke on youtube? the one having to pay a permit for working on your vehicle at home is simply not true. even the bit about unrego'd vehicles on your property is blown out of proportion.
www.casey.vic.gov.au/news/private-land-use-permits-casey-community-local-law
Next they'll be telling you need to be a certified chef and have a permit to cook in your own kitchen, be an electrician to switch the light's on, plumber to flush the toilet and be a firefighter when having a BBQ.
I hate living in Australia and being a car enthusiast. I lost my license for going 10km over the limit thanks to HWP, then I got pulled over for driving without a license AFTER BEING TOLD TO DRIVE HOME WHAT THE FUCK. So now I have to go to court.
As a hyabusa rider, ultra high powered cars seem a bit sluggish🙃. We still need to get a big bike licence to have it though. They are catching up with the reevenue grab.
Its always been illegal to have any body part out the window , this is the reason council is charging bogans for having unregistered cars in their yards is its a bloody eye sore . Who wants to live or walk past old cars in front yards and drive ways that are half pulled apart pissing out oil and parts laying everywhere.
The arm ones kind of valid tbf. I mean that's how my Grandad lost his right arm, he was driving with the arm out and then hit by a truck and took his arm. So.... imo it's a valid law, except you should be allowed to like wave or signal out the window cause sometimes other drivers can't see you or your signals.
Car makers can sell them and make $$$ because their products are safe and approved.
You however can't use that same cars standard features because they are unsafe and not suitable for the road.
Casey council can't make laws, it's a council bi law, the cops have nothing to do with it, and i call bs on your mates dogs sisters grandma, this seems life an application for a job on a current affair not a factual video
No GDs cop will ever fine you for any of this, especially during PIA. It’s easy to pick any dumb law but doesn’t mean it ever gets enforced
Let's be honest - you never really *own* your car - you just rent it from the government
Ye this one of the reasons why I’m leaving this country can’t even get a super car
Waving your hand outside illegal but putting your hand out the windows to use hand signals totally legal.
Councils have NO jurisdiction or authority on your property - period.
Even police can't come on to your property without a warrant.
Simple - tell them to get the f out or be charged. Police will charge them with trespassing.
This has happened many times.
Problem solved...
They cannot really enforce what you do on private property when repairing/servicing your car, as long as you're not running a car wreckers from home. Also they need to catch people in the act and being dobbed in from a neighbour isn't going to cut it. I've had to deal with certain types on people that think you're nature strip is their own drive way and it took me sending in photos and complaints to Cardina shire 6+ times over a year for them to do something about it. Councils are damn lazy.
The Government knows it needs to be seen to be taking action on these matters. It also knows most people don't read anything past the headline. So when the news article reports "New Licence Class For Ultra High Powered Vehicles", those people think "Good", the few that read further into the article think "Why?", the car community thinks "How is that a solution?", while the police think "Great, now we can pull them over even when no laws have been broken".
The law about having any part of your body outside the vehicle's cabin should not be enforced for stationary vehicles. Police need to use discretion when issuing this fine, and failing that we need to contest it until a precedent is established. I recall in the late eighties my father receiving this fine, or more specifically "The owner of the vehicle" because it wasn't issued upon a traffic stop, rather left under the wiper on the windscreen! We were in Melbourne to visit my Grandfather, who was dying. Dad was bringing us kids (my cousins and I) to the hospital to say goodbye. My older cousin was in the passenger seat and was the one with his hand outside the window. Dad had even mentioned how it was illegal to do so, but my cousin just brushed his comment off. On the way back to our grandparent's house, I noticed the ticket of the windscreen. At first, Dad thought it was a parking fine, until my cousin reached out the window to grab it (oh the irony) and read the description of the infringement. Dad's only words were, "Right, put the windows up now!" and the rest of the drive was awkwardly silent.
The City of Casey case is the pinnacle of bureaucracy madness. However, with enough push back from residents and support from communities and business's across the greater Melbourne area, the right outcome is possible. Corruption was rife within that council, all decisions made during that time should be open to critical review and any regulations that borne from those decisions should be removed if it can be shown the residents do not support them. If the City of Casey is allowed to get away with this rot uncontested, you can guarantee it will spread to other LGA's in time.
TL;DR
▪Question the purpose and effectiveness of any new laws
▪Challenge infringements if they don't represent the law they are issued for
▪Show support for your neighbour's plight, don't wait until it becomes your problem. Otherwise, be prepared to raise the height of your property fences.
$60 it's cheaper than doing a heap of courses, if you get pulled over switch it back to normal mode
Another thing that makes no sense is how L platers are allowed to drive "high performance" cars but with red and green p platers it's strictly forbidden. Also the car system in Australia is generally flawed as all police forces suit to their own entitled opinion, they all vary and contradict each other. For example, a p plater could get written up for using an ipod to play music in the car when it actually is not against Australian law. Some officers will argue that it could be used as a phone when in fact it's a media player. You also aren't even allowed to use hands-free bluetooth synced via your phone, which also sucks since the whole point of hands-free in the first place is to control what you are playing via the steering wheel; which therefore offers no distraction. Yet this alone can cost your license.
I probably speak for all of Australia when I think that the majority of laws recently implemented are introduced by intellectually lazy politicians who have done little to no research in the philosophy of driving and other topics that are entirely out of their specialty. That social media ban introduced recently quite literally proves this, and has contradicted Australia's own privacy laws.
I recently followed a guy out of a servo having just filled up. About a kilometre down the road he lit up a cigarette. He must have splashed petrol on his hand or arm, because as soon as he lit up his arm caught fire. He stuck his arm out the window trying to put the flames. A highway patrol officer saw him and pulled him over. He got charged with possession of a fire arm.
We have done all this too ourselves as teenagers we fuck everything so adults have to do this shit to keep us undercontrol
ah yes I went to school with folks like you. The reality is most folk have significantly more self control and impulse control and did NOT fuck everything. But yes, everyone has to pay for it. So thanks for that. Good job.
A rare comment showing some self-awareness. Well done for that at least.
If you're on your way to Supercheap to get things to fix your indicators, You still need to tell drivers what way you're going to the best of your abilities. They just made, hand signal indicating illegal
we out-number these politicians by 100,000's to 1. if all Australian's came together, forgot about our differences and said 'No' we're not doing it. And demanded that they step down, then this Sh!t stops, but the longer we just complain and do nothing or wait for someone else to do something, then they politicians will continue to push
And yet in the SA learners handbook page 61, they describe how to use hand signals, which involves putting your hand out of the car. Is this a contradiction??
8:24 ah yes I live in the middle of nowhere and the closest dealership for my car is 4000 km away
Its not just car laws its EVERYTHING. If your hoby is 4wd, dirtbike riding, camping, hunting, fishing, boating ect. Labour & Liberal never rain in the over zealous bureaucrats. Dont like it, stop voting labour/liberal, vote freedom parties.
Good job mate, well made video. 👍
Having a aftermarket muffler on a lams approved motorcycle makes the bike non lams approved which means 8 point fine and roughly $900. Can be for as little as modified indicators if you got a bad enough cop.
Arms out has always been findable in NSW. Your argument for Special Licence is ‘it’s too easy’ so the answer is let’s make it more skill based (a point I absolutely agree with) so the upgrade should at least be part of an advanced driving course to be completed at drivers expense through certified companies, similar to motorcycle courses here in NSW. on your third point it is my understanding that the Casey case is a local council directive and has nothing to do at state level. I am happy to be directed to the state legislature if I’m wrong but if it’s a local council then they will enforce NOT police or other bodies I would reckon.
5:15 saying that someone just off their 'P's can handle a high powered car is laughable. The thing that makes you able to handle a high powered car is 1) actual brains between your ears and 2) plenty of time behind the wheel of a high powered car progressively learning where the boundaries are. In support of this assertion is countless videos of idiots with full licenses crashing their high powered cars.
Australian government is a private corporation and are required to abide by contract law. Don't register your car and you won't have any problems plus fill out appropriate u.c.c paperwork. Know your rights people.
@PerformanceNic, if you've been researching "laws" to make this video, maybe consider having a look at the series of videos by yours truly about what these so-called law-makers have been doing with the statute books while we slept.
If said makers have no legitimacy, then neither do their mutterings and scribblings.
Australia is an ex convict over governed authoritarian police State, don't let the scenery fool you.
We're completely fucked here in Aus.
You want to take the risk and put your arm out the window, that's on you.
whats that you modified your car and it passed an engineers report? nah defect and now you have to prove it wrong.
People complain about the noise of race tracks that the Government allowed people to build homes around, then propose to close them then complain about hoons :S
Pulled over for going 4kph over the speed limit is a real valuable use of police resources guys, trust me it keeps us all safe......
how do you fix your own car on your own property?
You park it in your "Car Fixing Space" ... and don't open the damn door.
restoring a car? Long term project? Hire a storage shed. Stick a sign up on the door that says "Joe Bloggs Car Fixin' Business"
There. Now you have a commercial space to fix your car. You don't need to register a business to trade as it :) So long as "No trading is actually going on"
hahaha.
It seems a lot of people (disingenuously?) miss the point of the UHP license - it's obviously got nothing to do with driver skill, and it seems pretty obvious to me that that's not the idea. It's to make sure there is a targeted consequence for people who drive irresponsibly on the road in their UHP vehicles. Obviously you can already lose your license for your driving, but in the current system, once you get your license back, you're back in business. I imagine that with this scheme in place, you run the risk of being refused the privelege of being granted another UHP license after a loss of license, meaning you will not legally be able to drive your UHP vehicle.
The logic around not being allowed to use a button in a car you own is also pretty silly. Just because the button is there doesn't mean it's intended for road use by the manufacturer. It makes sense that the higher power the vehicle, the more potentially dangerous it is to be disabling things like TCS/ESC.
The benefit of not touching your TCS/ECS mode buttons on the street for someone like yourself is that you'll no longer have to worry about spinning your wheels in the wet and possibly getting in trouble with the police, which you mentioned in a previous video as as a reason Australia apparently sucks if you're a car enthusiast. 😅
"Why did you put it in Sports+ mode in a school zone anyways?" - The Judge.
If we had a constitution like America, we wouldn't be in this predicament... The Casey car permit wouldn't be able to be informed because of the 4th amendment (unreasonable searches and seizures from the government)
i actually can't believe it . thats too absurd to believe
2:34 that makes zero sense. So someone who has an old supercar without electronic assists, like a ford GT or f40 are not allowed to drive on the road? This is completely ridiculous. So someone with a lower powered car can disable their ESC, but someone with an "ultra high performance vehicle" cannot do it, even though the 'test" they had was supposedly meant to equip them with the skills to handle their car. So logically, the actual purpose of the license is to get people to understand that their car is fast and the manufactures engineers developed driving aids which ( obviously) makes the car safer. Why would there be an option, from factory, to turn the assist off? That's the definition of a nanny state.
3:10 how are they going to police that though? It's absolute lunacy.
If you read the fine print no one owns their land that they buy you are actually paying for a 99 year lease
This is Australia. That's not really a thing here. There are a few very rare situations like that.