A refreshingly well prepared and presented video that hits the nail on the head. You put it perfectly, “Don’t jack the coppers up on the side of the road, you’re not going to win.” Have a conversation with them and you’ll find that most are pretty bloody reasonable.
The Leyland Brothers got around because there were no 4" lifts and 35" tyres. The tyre ruts were standard car depth and there 13" rims. Now the dog is just chasing its tail trying to do those same tracks. Look at the coffee rock at Ngala right now! If you don't have 35's or bigger, Fat chance of getting through without "Sending it"
No outback paved highways back then either as for ruts you could drive for miles with the throttle standing on the running boards in the ruts the road trains left in the dirt while your beam axel graded the high spots off the road did that many times in the heat of the day, no air con either and very few 4x4s around in the early 70's most of the 4x4 these days would disintegrate in to scrap metal after 5 or 600 miles of the highways we drove back then in 2x4's.
Most 4 wheelers like to do legal mods to their 4wd to make the vehicle more capable and to make camping an easier experience but crazy high lifts are dangerous on road with poor handling, 38" tyres fitted reducing braking capability by 25%+ unless braking upgrade has been done. Tricking the injector pumps to pour out enormous quantities of unburnt diesel soot & black smoke. Well of course the authorities are going to defect the vehicle & fine the driver. With these mods, you effectively have a 4wd with no insurance& the possibility of a cancelled rego. These heavily modified 4wd need to be trailered to 4wd parks it is that simple.
I had a GQ patrol. NSW rego lapsed and it needed repairs for Pink slip. I could either spend 160 an hour (which i did not have at all) for a shop to fix it, plus parts, or drive it to sydney where i had access to the tools to fix it myself. It cost me less than 160 in fuel to do the round trip. I consulted NSW RMS, we came to the conclusion that I was going directly to the most convenient place for repair, that i could stretch that definition a little. Anyway, i got pulled over on my way to inspection after the repairs. I explained everything calmly and the officer reminded me that i was stretching the definition of that law and not to do it again. If i had have given lip, i would have been walking home, 2.5 hours drive btw, with a very large fine and loss of points. I will NOT be doing that again, as i have the tools at home now, but it reinforces that the attitude you use during the stop DEFINITELY influences the outcome. It also influences the outcome of general life interactions too.
"It cost him nothing but time" Yeah. But that's how the assholes get ya. They know ur shits legal, but they can make you take time off work, waste ur time and money to take ur shit to an inspection and it passes. But they'll get away with it. There's no refund or recourse from the pineapple receiver.
No accountability. Simply if they are issuing a fine for something and they are incorrect then they should be reprimanded. They forget who they are supposed to be working for.
You don't need to even own any vehicle to be totally f**ked over by the cops/govt let alone 4x4's.When pulled over it's best to yes sir/no sir then do what they say and at the next election vote accordingly.We voted these rules in by voting for the political party that then puts these shit laws into effect.We did this to ourselves, the only solution is political activism or nothing.This joint has gone to shit big time.These govts want us all in these electric mobile toilets and all 4x4's they want us out of yesterday,unbelievable. Goodluck 4x4 owners,actually all vehile owners in general for the future,be safe and keep quiet when dealing with the govt revenue collectors(police)!
I used to be a vehicle inspector for 10 years. Recently stopped. You wouldnt believe how many regulations there are and how many counteract eachother.and how difficult it is to find the regulations and when you do it is in lawyer speak.. And how they are aiming towards making it that No mods will be allowed. Also most 4x4 aftermarket mods have buried deep in the small print somewhere in there documentation it says for off road use only. Will not comply on roads.
You missed the main point ! Assuming you have insurance even third party fire and theft. If you crash, the insurance company can use banned or not engineered mods , or even bald tyres to void your insurance/ claim Take a Quick Look at the PDS! This could easily bankrupt you, as most insurance covers upto 20 million in damage Can you afford to replace your car plus another car you hit ? A friend of mine had a multi million dollar claim when he cut off a large dump truck this truck went into a tram , the tram derailed which h also damaged the tracks Imagine if they tell you your 4 inch lift and 35" tyres compromised handeling and good luck paying for it !
Lets be honest. Some people modify their vehs to a ridiculous level and those modifications do cause safety issues for that vehicle and for other road users. If people used common sense and didn't modify their vehs for pure vanity purposes, we would not be having thos conversation.
I got off two tickets in the 80s that were over 160 k/h mainly just being polite. One was not completely off but was fined for 120ks, he was flying trying to catch me, i saw him coming and slowed, he would have known the speed i was traveling. Very respectful of the road these days.
One of the clearer vids on the subject. Cheers for putting in the work. For some reason I thought vic only allowed 50mm max so happy to see there is a bit more wiggle room there!
You didn't really answer the question. You explained that there are certain laws, that vary from state to state, etc, etc, but the question 'Are 4x4s being targeted by Police for our modifications?' wasn't really answered.
Some iffy advice there. Yes, don’t be a dick, but never admit you knowingly broke any law. Politely refuse to answer any questions other than those you are legally obliged to answer, name and address, that’s it. Pulling out your phone to record, while legal, probably won’t help the situation. Better to have a dash cam with sound recording on.
With traffic law, admissions carry no real relevance the offence/defect is there or it isn't. The driver carries the responsibility of ensuring the vehicle complying with the standards. With offences, presenting a legal defence may save you being booked but carrying on like a twit will likely get you booked either way.
sorry mate but refusing to answer any questions, whilst it may be legal, still puts you in the dickhead camp. Any goodwill or benefit of the doubt you had evaporates quickly. It's human nature.
Vic the legal tint is 35% Front and 20% anything behind the driver, and no limit above the driver(sun/moon roof) for passenger cars. Just a heads up (source: Transport Victoria)
Seriously I have a 4x4, all the modifications that you can do are documented with all RMS or rego offices, What all you You Tube people are missing is, The Government don’t want 4x4 off road, Environmental issues as I’ve seen with some dickheads ruin it for all, so we are not America learn your local state laws, NSW SUCKS and even if your within the guidelines MR BLUE has no Idea just write a ticket the end
Tracks are tracks....we smash'em cause it's fun...the environment is not at risk from our activities....it's at risk by the government in many other ways!
I live in a small town in SW Vic. I got pulled over for no REGO. I said to the cop I didn't get the notice and he told me to drive home and register my car. This is the only time I've come across a good cop who said his mum had the same thing.
I was around Hot Rodding for years and I gave up around 1980 because of the constant harassment from police,who would do things like measure wheel width, noise,as gauged by the cops hearing, wheel scrub lines, Multifit rims .etc etc . I was talking with a mate a couple of years back about lifted 4x4's and he had to attend a course in Victoria where the lift kits etc were all examined.' Hes a vehicle engineer with a degree in mechanical engineering.
I did come across a fair bit of the hot rodding and street car stuff as I researched this video. Crazy stuff. Just didnt apply to this channel, but still pretty interesting.
Follow the money, the more debt, the more laws. Take note when the Australia's National Bank was privatised as everything is related to banking, and the "creation" of money.
@@reddpill yep it’s all bullshit revenue raising. They done it with all the jap imports late 90’s early 2000’s now they’ve casted their eyes on the 4x4 community
It’s time for the car laws to be changed so that they are the same in every state but the change needs to happen within the 4x4 industry advise so that it’s done right
I agree, however, always always film them. Not camera in face but respectfully film them. If it goes to contest the camera doesn't lie, the police officer can lie.
Sure. I think that would be fine. The stuff I see on tiktok makes me laugh when they get more and more defects because of the way they film. In their faces and giving commentary .
Great video and very informative. Really appreciate the detailed research you've done for this, and you are absolutely spot on about interactions with police when pulled over. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Thank you ! !
What ever state or territory your vehicle is registered in, is what laws and regulations you abide by. That way it doesn’t matter what state or territory you drive through. Your vehicle has been registered as roadworthy in your home state / territory.
I work at an Ironman 4x4 distributor and I can confidently say we have about 2-3 blokes come in a week for AIS inspections who haven't even been pulled over, some that have or just get sighted on the road by transport. Also don't keep your 4bies listed on marketplace because probably about 10+ a week get snagged off there with defects shown in photos, or if you do don't show the license plate I guess.
When light bars first came out a vehicle had to have an even number of forward facing lights meaning one large bar had to get some duct tape on it in the middle. Should have LED light conversion kits to the list eg for off road use only because how many 4x4 have temu/ebay led that just aren't right. whats the difference between a H9 & H11
Something that was missed in the video is that the modifications only have to comply with the rules in place at the time you did the modifications. For example, the height change limitations use to apply only to body and spring lifts (50mm total), any increase from tyres was not controlled. The change in diameter of the tyre was limited to 50mm ONLY IF YOU CHANGED THE RIMS FROM STOCK. If you kept stock rims, you could fit as large as tyre as you wanted as long it was legal for that size rim. Had nothing to do with the diameter of the standard tyres
Not sure what state you got that info from may be in other states. But WA doesn't have that. Rules run off diameter of tyre. And lift is 50mm overall eg if you had 1in suspension lift you can have 1in on tyre or body. If you have 2in (50mm) on suspension thats all your allowed. WA is the strictest of the states.
Do these clowns 🤡 know how much money they are costing the industry. Loss of jobs and taxes to the country. If they keep taking everything from us they won’t be able to afford to give all these immigrants our tax money.
They should be, dark tints. Cars can't see past 2 layers of dark tint when reversing or lift kits. Stock for a reason for the safety of other vehicles on the road. Bullbars make them a fortress what chance does an oncoming cars have of survival in an accident.
Im suprised you did not touch on the insurance aspect of mods given the ramification is far worse than a defect from the cops. In a high cost, injury or fatality accident where your at fault - will the insurance company try and squirm their way out of it because of the mods?
Well researched video containing excellent advice. Life is tough and you can't always have what you want. As the saying goes " build a bridge and get over it." You can still have lots of fun in legal 4WDs. For those who really want to go crazy, you can live in the USA and do it all.
Lol, absolutely false - regarding cars, plenty of states in the US are less restrictive than AU, but not all. Overall though, Australia is within the top 20 for freedom, but the US is only within the top 80.
From someone who was in a Policing agency (not civvy but the same uniform that you wore) the 'Attitude Test' is huge and many fail it because they believe that they have an entitlement to do whatever they want and just don't care. What they forget, is that Police Officer that has stopped them has done so for a reason - usually because they were behaving like a dick. What they forget is that Police Officer may have just pulled a body or two from a car wreck on a previous shift. The smell of human blood and alcohol will never leave you and I know having been in those situations more than once. Also, far worse is the fact that if your vehicle has an illegal modification then it is highly likely that your insurance will be null and void and that will cost you more than a fine.
I don't think it helps that you can go online and buy a 100 to 150mm suspension lift for most coil sprung 4wds. Some 4wds are lifted as much as 150mm, well done and safe imo. But most simply aren't done safe. So there is good reason to defect most imo. I have been there with suped up 4wds and there are tracks that need these lifts both in state forests and the High Country. Common sense has to prevail on the road though. These days I stick to 75mm combined or lower, two driving lights, etc. Leave the big gear to the young blokes like I once was😂. Vehicles do need to be safe though and rules have to exist so a minority doesn't risk the lives of the majority. As you said, leave the hardcore wheeling to others.
As soon as you lift or lower, drastically change your wheel size, then youre a "target". Just make sure your vehicle is engineered, documented and you keep your paperwork in your glove box.
It's weird you would say that because someone stands up for themselves when they may not have done the wrong thing that it gives police the right do be malicious? That's crazy talk man. They are there to enforce the law, not their ego. Malicious prosecution is corruption. You should never approve or agree with corruption sir. These are our tax dollars paid by us. It's about time government officials realised who pays the bills. Taxpers do, thats who.
Is this because they have determined that 4x4 and suv's no longer fit the net zero program. Eg cost extra to buy some 4x4 now ,due to new government tax from 1/1/25
I get pulled over regularly because they want to congratulate me for having a compliant 4wd 😂. Have you done an assessment of annual vehicle enforcement revenue over time compared to state debt levels? I wonder if there is a trend…..
29April, 1770, Lt Cook arrives in Botany. Sails PAST Port Jackson. 21Jan, 1788, first fleet moves up to Port Jackson. Good stiry you told. Pity about the dates being wrong. I blame the educashun sistem.
A hwy cop was loitering in the area i work. I was walking with a colleague to our Ute's to head home. He joked and said ill wait around as red p. Anyway he was no where to be seen but at trafic lights was in other lane behind other vehicle. Well that other car did 65 in 60 and left just the two of us. He got behind so I went to the other. Eventually he turned 3-4km total. Mine is not overdone makes sense now why he was leaving the 65kmh dude to scan me. BLACKTOWN NSW.
Sorry mate rego was introduced as a way to identify a vehicle that was involved in an accident involving pedestrians Anderson part of the theft recovery as for the seat belts for defect notices in 70s that is incorrect as for seatbelts weren't compulsory and most vehicles did not have seatbelts and as for modifications to vehicles the guideline is manufacturers maximum and minimum specifications for safe operation their vehicles it is actually quite easy to find out how you can modify your vehicle without headaches from the pigs that is look up the manufacturers minimum and maximum standards for their vehicles you will find wheel offsets you will find maximum and minimum Heights you will find maximum and minimum wheel sizes and motor registry actually has a quite easy one to find to do with wheel wits the tyre is not to stick out more than one inch past manufacturers fitted parts as a vehicle builder engineer I've had to know all these things for a long time the police have tried to defect my vehicles in the past they have never achieved it yet I have built drag cars Street rods handsome extremely highly modified vehicles it is incredibly easy to find the information you need for modifications but if all these four-wheel drivers that complain that their mods get defected and use the excuse they've been engineered most of the engineer's that say yes this is ok aren't even qualified to do the job there is a reason why manufacturers have maximum standards for safety and reliability of their vehicles go to wide with your wheels you will have broken axles stuffed suspension go to high with your vehicle it will fall over stop watching what the Americans do because there is no road safety standards in the u.s. my four-wheel drive is modified and the pigs cannot find fault with any of my modifications and from what I see most modifications that these guys do are completely useless and make the vehicle less capable wheels too big massive lost in horsepower lift kits rollovers and big leaf kids are completely useless if you run solid axle
The loudest complaints about the road rules and being defected are from those who know the laws but set out to lift a middle finger to them anyway. Just follow the rules and you won't get defected.
It's another fantastic video. A lot of people seem to overlook roof ratings. Thankfully, a lot of police check for this, but they could run into issues with insurance. Keep it up.
Over my many years of driving i have gradually seen 4wds being ridiculously modified and being driven aggressively. Im sure some of these fools think they are sports cars. Funny thing is I've very rarely seen these highly modified types of vehicles in what i would class as some of the more challenging places like crossing the Simpson, Cape York telegraph/CREB and Victorian high country tracks. They are mostly weekend warriors driving with some mates on tracks not too far from home as their vehicles would not be reliable enough to do a solo remote trip. Just because your vehicle is a little larger than most cars don't drive it like your purpose overrides other road users.
you are so wrong, car is roadworthy as per state it is rego'd in and cant be defected in another state same as you drive by the rules of your licence. 11:31 says it all
Tasmania has some of the WORST heaps getting around cops don't do a dam thing, No need to have a car so high that you need a oxygen tank to breathe because air is so thin. My pet hate is illegal headlight conversion kits in a none projector housings, 7 led light bars over the whole car, 5% stupid tint, lifted and stupid unnecessary tyre's. And home made bull bar's. My brother just bought a Ranger Raptor and you don't need to a bloody thing to it, fine like it is!
Drive carefully we own two 4x4s,but I'm sick of cowboys tailgating and hassling other driver.more a driver mentality good on police more action needed.
It's the tools that drive around with soot clouds coming from their vehicles, diesel soot is a known carcinogenic it's in the same category as mustard gas And asbestosis.
Amazes me re. Noise. Load exhaust on cars and how it's targeted, so whilst you're getting done by your local enforcement a group of Harley's drive by...WTF
Bravo. I drive a Jeep Wrangler modestly modified, I see ALOT of Jeeps that are soooo illegal, too high, wheels outside guards etc. trying to emulate yank Jeeps, if you can get away with it kudos to you. Totally agree tho DONT BE A DICKHEAD! You will NEVER win against the Police, even if you are right. Just be polite accept your fate and hey sometimes it goes your way!
It's not that hard to find the legislation over vehicle mods. You just go to an authorised inspection station, and ask. Even go to the people that test and accredit the testing stations, you'd be surprised how happy they are to help. I was an AIS here in Tas, I and 85%+ of Inspection stations will be happy to help you. All the "roadworthy" legislation is based on the National standards. Do NOT even bother to ask an after market retailer of automotive accessories if it's legal or not, their aim is to sell you (and make you pay for fitting, if possible). They don't care if it's "legal" or not, they want your money. As an ex mechanic, a lot of the "mods" I saw to steering and suspension terrifies me. The average guy has no idea of the physics involved in keeping your tyres on the road and gripping so you can moving, steering and stopping. Unless you're better educated than the engineers that built the vehicle in the first place.. just leave it alone. Common sense should cover it, but that's in very short supply these days.
I'm into Amateur Radio & have installed some crazy mofo antenna systems on my car. I have had some cops try to claim they were illegal etc but at least then, they were considered an excempt modification. Is this still True? I once had a massive tilt up antenna tower on my van that was legal when down but quickly deployed into a 50 foot tall antenna system lol. Pulled over a lot but always got away with it 😂
Window tint. As long as you have external mirrors on the front of your vehicle any window behind the driver can be blacked out. Have you ever seen a toyota HiAce van with windows behind the driver. Please find me any person that has been stopped/fined in Victoria with rogue light bar, mounted behind the centre of the vehicle. I disagree with some of the advice you have provided however your advice on the attitude test is 150% correct! After watching the entire video I calmed down a bit and subscribed.
As i say, you have a modifed 4x4, straight to jail. 100% are targeted. Even have spot blitzes on them. Just make sure u got a proper mod plate and ur good.
This country is getting ridiculous what’s the big deal if you have a 4” lift with 35 tyres. It’s not hurting anyone, same with excessive driving lights. What’s the issue? The actually make it safer at night up bush.
@@iandickinson342or you could just be one of them blokes that loves a stock car. If you like boring shit good for you doesn’t mean everyone else shoyld
It's not all about you and I say with this due respect, but if you hit a pedestrian, or someone in a small car you're not going to be having a good day.. Or perhaps life.
@@iboswell if you live in a world of what ifs you’d spend most ur time sitting on the couch. Chances are if you hit a pedestrian in any car both parties will be having a bad day. And if we’re worried bout lifted cars hitting small cars does that mean we’re going to ban trucks on the road too? I get your point but honestly I’d be more worried about half the other idiots they hand licences out to these days
add 4 inch lift to most 4wds..... they drive like a boat, it isnt safe... it all great that your nissan navara looks tuff till the day your wipe out a family because your 4 inch lift and 35 inch wheels couldnt handle the co
Seriously this stuff IS NOT hard to find. Start with the ADRs, all editions of the ADRs are freely available on line. . there are national modification guidlines plainly and clearly published. there are also freely and openly available guides and documents. There are a series of " vehicle standards bullitens" VSB VSB14 is the one you are looking for for modifying 4wds. . Some people find them hard to read, some people just don't want to know the truth. . various states will permit some things beyond national guidelines. QLD will permit driving lights above the windscreen, other states wont. NT will permit a number of things other states wont . Yeh there is a problem that too many people, willing ignore, all the regulations and guidlines, and not by a little bit. . Yes the police, are going after these things and they have been for a very long time and it's not just 4wds. . Here In QLD, there are many crews of specilist police, supported by local police working with very well equipped Transport Department vehicle inspectors. These guys have been known to keep writting tickets till they run out of forms to write on ( it's electronic now). They go thru modified 4wds like a dose of salts. They find a lot of overloaded 4wds and caravan rigs ( a good number of 4wds are overloaded, some reasonably speculate that more caravan rigs will fail a trip over a scale than will pass) yes they inspect trucks and log books too. . yes and of course various police districts have blitzes. . don't be surrised if you get inspected and pinged near any of the popular places, where people with modified vehicles go.
Everything that can raise more revenue for the gov is their priority. Gone are the days where the gov is representing and working for the people now it's in full control calling the shots and taking advantage of it also willing to violate your rights and commit and cover up acts of violence to make you submit to what they want you to do while taking your rights one by one away until we are brain-dead gutless cash cows or slaves to the system fully submitted to their authority.There's no such thing as a government focused on creating a better Australia for Australian people. it's about creating a stronger government breeding out watering down Australian culture so nobody will be able to get together and take it back. Why is it antisemitism punishable by law to talk about Jewish people in a negative way but fine to do the same thing about Australian culture. There is no such thing as a fair go in Australia only what you can still get away with. We are a dying breed. We need to stick together. We need change on a dramatic scale.
@@Mountainslayerc50 because if the mods are done by a muppet and they don't address caster issues or brake issues then they are driving something that is a potential unguided death trap for other motorists .
@@Mountainslayerc50 yes there are and there are laws that they break as well . drivers should have to pass an advanced driving course every 5 years to keep an unrestricted licence . I've no issue with modified cars , I drive them myself , what I don't what is muppets that think they know everything yet have no idea . Modify it , get it engineered , simple . If nobody will engineer it there is most likely a safety reason why .
fifth reason - it all about your $aftey and profit$ for broke and inept state....... it's all about the road $aftey and yet the road death counter has gone north.......
I got done for a single row 20 inch lightbar on top of my bullbar. Their reason was it was a hazard to pedestrians. I laughed and said I think a pedestrian has more to worry about than a 20 inch lightbar if they step out in front of me. My bus is 3 tonne. If they don’t die on first impact then both diffs will finish them off. Still had to remove the lightbar. Stupid
In regards to bullbars, you cant have protrusions, sharp edges, or anything that interferes with your field of view, I just googled it and came up on government website. I imagine lights on top of bar cover all three of these things.
@@anthony-1357 Dont forget that bureaucrats in Canberra tried for years to get bull bars banned. I was hit once by a bull bar as a fool sped through a shopping center car park, I had presence of mind to jump up just as the bar whacked my legs,breaking one. I doubt lights on top would have hurt more...
At the end of the day, you need to follow the rules. If you don't know the rules, find out what they are. If you don't agree with the rules, you still gotta follow them. Police are just enforcing the rules, they don't make them. It's pretty simple...
A refreshingly well prepared and presented video that hits the nail on the head.
You put it perfectly, “Don’t jack the coppers up on the side of the road, you’re not going to win.”
Have a conversation with them and you’ll find that most are pretty bloody reasonable.
Thanks mate
The Leyland Brothers got around because there were no 4" lifts and 35" tyres. The tyre ruts were standard car depth and there 13" rims. Now the dog is just chasing its tail trying to do those same tracks. Look at the coffee rock at Ngala right now! If you don't have 35's or bigger, Fat chance of getting through without "Sending it"
No outback paved highways back then either as for ruts you could drive for miles with the throttle standing on the running boards in the ruts the road trains left in the dirt while your beam axel graded the high spots off the road did that many times in the heat of the day, no air con either and very few 4x4s around in the early 70's most of the 4x4 these days would disintegrate in to scrap metal after 5 or 600 miles of the highways we drove back then in 2x4's.
Most 4 wheelers like to do legal mods to their 4wd to make the vehicle more capable and to make camping an easier experience but crazy high lifts are dangerous on road with poor handling, 38" tyres fitted reducing braking capability by 25%+ unless braking upgrade has been done. Tricking the injector pumps to pour out enormous quantities of unburnt diesel soot & black smoke. Well of course the authorities are going to defect the vehicle & fine the driver. With these mods, you effectively have a 4wd with no insurance& the possibility of a cancelled rego. These heavily modified 4wd need to be trailered to 4wd parks it is that simple.
I had a GQ patrol. NSW rego lapsed and it needed repairs for Pink slip.
I could either spend 160 an hour (which i did not have at all) for a shop to fix it, plus parts, or drive it to sydney where i had access to the tools to fix it myself. It cost me less than 160 in fuel to do the round trip. I consulted NSW RMS, we came to the conclusion that I was going directly to the most convenient place for repair, that i could stretch that definition a little.
Anyway, i got pulled over on my way to inspection after the repairs. I explained everything calmly and the officer reminded me that i was stretching the definition of that law and not to do it again. If i had have given lip, i would have been walking home, 2.5 hours drive btw, with a very large fine and loss of points. I will NOT be doing that again, as i have the tools at home now, but it reinforces that the attitude you use during the stop DEFINITELY influences the outcome. It also influences the outcome of general life interactions too.
- trailering - with a truck doing the pulling - is a cheap alternative to "heavy enforcement"..
Don't be a dick-head.... Best advice ever when dealing with the police.
"It cost him nothing but time" Yeah. But that's how the assholes get ya. They know ur shits legal, but they can make you take time off work, waste ur time and money to take ur shit to an inspection and it passes. But they'll get away with it. There's no refund or recourse from the pineapple receiver.
No accountability.
Simply if they are issuing a fine for something and they are incorrect then they should be reprimanded.
They forget who they are supposed to be working for.
You don't need to even own any vehicle to be totally f**ked over by the cops/govt let alone 4x4's.When pulled over it's best to yes sir/no sir then do what they say and at the next election vote accordingly.We voted these rules in by voting for the political party that then puts these shit laws into effect.We did this to ourselves, the only solution is political activism or nothing.This joint has gone to shit big time.These govts want us all in these electric mobile toilets and all 4x4's they want us out of yesterday,unbelievable. Goodluck 4x4 owners,actually all vehile owners in general for the future,be safe and keep quiet when dealing with the govt revenue collectors(police)!
I used to be a vehicle inspector for 10 years. Recently stopped. You wouldnt believe how many regulations there are and how many counteract eachother.and how difficult it is to find the regulations and when you do it is in lawyer speak.. And how they are aiming towards making it that No mods will be allowed. Also most 4x4 aftermarket mods have buried deep in the small print somewhere in there documentation it says for off road use only. Will not comply on roads.
Exactly! They make it hard to follow!
Excellent video, and yes your attitude in dealing with police will determine how bad a day you are about to have.
Loved the Leyland Brothers!
You missed the main point !
Assuming you have insurance even third party fire and theft.
If you crash, the insurance company can use banned or not engineered mods , or even bald tyres to void your insurance/ claim
Take a Quick Look at the PDS!
This could easily bankrupt you, as most insurance covers upto 20 million in damage
Can you afford to replace your car plus another car you hit ?
A friend of mine had a multi million dollar claim when he cut off a large dump truck this truck went into a tram , the tram derailed which h also damaged the tracks
Imagine if they tell you your 4 inch lift and 35" tyres compromised handeling and good luck paying for it !
I think you're building a really great channel - good luck with it, looking forward to your next content.
Lets be honest. Some people modify their vehs to a ridiculous level and those modifications do cause safety issues for that vehicle and for other road users. If people used common sense and didn't modify their vehs for pure vanity purposes, we would not be having thos conversation.
I got off two tickets in the 80s that were over 160 k/h mainly just being polite. One was not completely off but was fined for 120ks, he was flying trying to catch me, i saw him coming and slowed, he would have known the speed i was traveling.
Very respectful of the road these days.
One of the clearer vids on the subject. Cheers for putting in the work. For some reason I thought vic only allowed 50mm max so happy to see there is a bit more wiggle room there!
its 50mm max on the suspension - The extra 25mm comes from bigger tyres, totalling 75mm! :)
You didn't really answer the question. You explained that there are certain laws, that vary from state to state, etc, etc, but the question 'Are 4x4s being targeted by Police for our modifications?' wasn't really answered.
Some iffy advice there. Yes, don’t be a dick, but never admit you knowingly broke any law. Politely refuse to answer any questions other than those you are legally obliged to answer, name and address, that’s it. Pulling out your phone to record, while legal, probably won’t help the situation. Better to have a dash cam with sound recording on.
With traffic law, admissions carry no real relevance the offence/defect is there or it isn't. The driver carries the responsibility of ensuring the vehicle complying with the standards. With offences, presenting a legal defence may save you being booked but carrying on like a twit will likely get you booked either way.
sorry mate but refusing to answer any questions, whilst it may be legal, still puts you in the dickhead camp. Any goodwill or benefit of the doubt you had evaporates quickly. It's human nature.
Vic the legal tint is 35% Front and 20% anything behind the driver, and no limit above the driver(sun/moon roof) for passenger cars. Just a heads up (source: Transport Victoria)
Seriously I have a 4x4, all the modifications that you can do are documented with all RMS or rego offices, What all you You Tube people are missing is, The Government don’t want 4x4 off road, Environmental issues as I’ve seen with some dickheads ruin it for all, so we are not America learn your local state laws, NSW SUCKS and even if your within the guidelines MR BLUE has no Idea just write a ticket the end
USA tracks are looked after so much better than Australian tracks you muppet
Seriously mate. Give Beyond Blue a call...they can help.
Tracks are tracks....we smash'em cause it's fun...the environment is not at risk from our activities....it's at risk by the government in many other ways!
@@timbercretesteel9855 And that attitude is why tracks are getting closed.
@@FXDRAG0N that comes with having 14 times the population in a similar area Kermit.
I live in a small town in SW Vic. I got pulled over for no REGO. I said to the cop I didn't get the notice and he told me to drive home and register my car. This is the only time I've come across a good cop who said his mum had the same thing.
This video is super helpful! It's crazy how different states have such strict vehicle modification rules. It definitely feels limiting!
I was around Hot Rodding for years and I gave up around 1980 because of the constant harassment from police,who would do things like measure wheel width, noise,as gauged by the cops hearing, wheel scrub lines, Multifit rims .etc etc .
I was talking with a mate a couple of years back about lifted 4x4's and he had to attend a course in Victoria where the lift kits etc were all examined.'
Hes a vehicle engineer with a degree in mechanical engineering.
I did come across a fair bit of the hot rodding and street car stuff as I researched this video. Crazy stuff. Just didnt apply to this channel, but still pretty interesting.
Follow the money, the more debt, the more laws. Take note when the Australia's National Bank was privatised as everything is related to banking, and the "creation" of money.
And the COMMONWEALTH BANK PRIVATISED BUT THEY OWN THE ATO
@@reddpill yep it’s all bullshit revenue raising. They done it with all the jap imports late 90’s early 2000’s now they’ve casted their eyes on the 4x4 community
It’s time for the car laws to be changed so that they are the same in every state but the change needs to happen within the 4x4 industry advise so that it’s done right
I agree, however, always always film them. Not camera in face but respectfully film them. If it goes to contest the camera doesn't lie, the police officer can lie.
Sure. I think that would be fine. The stuff I see on tiktok makes me laugh when they get more and more defects because of the way they film. In their faces and giving commentary .
respectfully or not, guarantee you the fine count goes up. You really want to go to court?
Great video and very informative.
Really appreciate the detailed research you've done for this, and you are absolutely spot on about interactions with police when pulled over.
You catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
Thank you ! !
What's with this new instagram trend of the strip of solar shade across the bottom of the windscreen? Surely this is illegal?
What ever state or territory your vehicle is registered in, is what laws and regulations you abide by. That way it doesn’t matter what state or territory you drive through. Your vehicle has been registered as roadworthy in your home state / territory.
I work at an Ironman 4x4 distributor and I can confidently say we have about 2-3 blokes come in a week for AIS inspections who haven't even been pulled over, some that have or just get sighted on the road by transport.
Also don't keep your 4bies listed on marketplace because probably about 10+ a week get snagged off there with defects shown in photos, or if you do don't show the license plate I guess.
First place to start, I would think, is the Australian Design Rules.
Sure is.
Probably worth mentioning that if you want 35's and a mass lift, you can leagally, with a mod plate!
My understanding is that is not with every vehicle & not in every state.
Legally my good man🤘🤘
When light bars first came out a vehicle had to have an even number of forward facing lights meaning one large bar had to get some duct tape on it in the middle. Should have LED light conversion kits to the list eg for off road use only because how many 4x4 have temu/ebay led that just aren't right. whats the difference between a H9 & H11
Its a rabbit warren. I started looking at LED conversions and the general consensus was no, youre not allowed to do it.
Awesome Info 👌
Thanks Mate 👌👌👌
A lot of the 4x4 are modified to the point they are not road worthy.
A lot of them almost roll to a extreme point on roundabouts
Something that was missed in the video is that the modifications only have to comply with the rules in place at the time you did the modifications. For example, the height change limitations use to apply only to body and spring lifts (50mm total), any increase from tyres was not controlled. The change in diameter of the tyre was limited to 50mm ONLY IF YOU CHANGED THE RIMS FROM STOCK. If you kept stock rims, you could fit as large as tyre as you wanted as long it was legal for that size rim. Had nothing to do with the diameter of the standard tyres
Not sure what state you got that info from may be in other states. But WA doesn't have that. Rules run off diameter of tyre. And lift is 50mm overall eg if you had 1in suspension lift you can have 1in on tyre or body. If you have 2in (50mm) on suspension thats all your allowed. WA is the strictest of the states.
Didn't find anything about that to be honest.
Do these clowns 🤡 know how much money they are costing the industry. Loss of jobs and taxes to the country. If they keep taking everything from us they won’t be able to afford to give all these immigrants our tax money.
Lovely Ep and another great chat with great points you make.
They should be, dark tints.
Cars can't see past 2 layers of dark tint when reversing or lift kits.
Stock for a reason for the safety of other vehicles on the road.
Bullbars make them a fortress what chance does an oncoming cars have of survival in an accident.
Im suprised you did not touch on the insurance aspect of mods given the ramification is far worse than a defect from the cops. In a high cost, injury or fatality accident where your at fault - will the insurance company try and squirm their way out of it because of the mods?
Thanks for the links.
Sure thing
Well researched video containing excellent advice. Life is tough and you can't always have what you want. As the saying goes " build a bridge and get over it." You can still have lots of fun in legal 4WDs. For those who really want to go crazy, you can live in the USA and do it all.
Lol, absolutely false - regarding cars, plenty of states in the US are less restrictive than AU, but not all. Overall though, Australia is within the top 20 for freedom, but the US is only within the top 80.
Cheers mate. appreciate it
From someone who was in a Policing agency (not civvy but the same uniform that you wore) the 'Attitude Test' is huge and many fail it because they believe that they have an entitlement to do whatever they want and just don't care. What they forget, is that Police Officer that has stopped them has done so for a reason - usually because they were behaving like a dick. What they forget is that Police Officer may have just pulled a body or two from a car wreck on a previous shift. The smell of human blood and alcohol will never leave you and I know having been in those situations more than once. Also, far worse is the fact that if your vehicle has an illegal modification then it is highly likely that your insurance will be null and void and that will cost you more than a fine.
Thanks for your service brother 🇦🇺👍
Pragmatic advice. Ultimately if you draw attention, you'll get it.
I don't think it helps that you can go online and buy a 100 to 150mm suspension lift for most coil sprung 4wds. Some 4wds are lifted as much as 150mm, well done and safe imo. But most simply aren't done safe. So there is good reason to defect most imo. I have been there with suped up 4wds and there are tracks that need these lifts both in state forests and the High Country. Common sense has to prevail on the road though. These days I stick to 75mm combined or lower, two driving lights, etc. Leave the big gear to the young blokes like I once was😂. Vehicles do need to be safe though and rules have to exist so a minority doesn't risk the lives of the majority. As you said, leave the hardcore wheeling to others.
As soon as you lift or lower, drastically change your wheel size, then youre a "target". Just make sure your vehicle is engineered, documented and you keep your paperwork in your glove box.
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It's weird you would say that because someone stands up for themselves when they may not have done the wrong thing that it gives police the right do be malicious? That's crazy talk man. They are there to enforce the law, not their ego.
Malicious prosecution is corruption.
You should never approve or agree with corruption sir.
These are our tax dollars paid by us. It's about time government officials realised who pays the bills. Taxpers do, thats who.
I agree, but you need to pick your battles. If you say that sort of thing on the side of the road, good luck
Is this because they have determined that 4x4 and suv's no longer fit the net zero program. Eg cost extra to buy some 4x4 now ,due to new government tax from 1/1/25
No. Their targeting vehicles which have been modified to a point they are illegal.These are only a tiny portion of 4wd,s on the road.
I get pulled over regularly because they want to congratulate me for having a compliant 4wd 😂. Have you done an assessment of annual vehicle enforcement revenue over time compared to state debt levels? I wonder if there is a trend…..
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Good stiry you told. Pity about the dates being wrong.
I blame the educashun sistem.
The cowards dont want to deal with actual crime.
Different departments deal with different crimes
@Haveacrack76 no victim, no crime.
A hwy cop was loitering in the area i work. I was walking with a colleague to our Ute's to head home. He joked and said ill wait around as red p. Anyway he was no where to be seen but at trafic lights was in other lane behind other vehicle. Well that other car did 65 in 60 and left just the two of us. He got behind so I went to the other. Eventually he turned 3-4km total. Mine is not overdone makes sense now why he was leaving the 65kmh dude to scan me. BLACKTOWN NSW.
Awesome video mate. Informative and funny as. “Don’t be a dickhead” 😂 Love it and so true.
Sorry mate rego was introduced as a way to identify a vehicle that was involved in an accident involving pedestrians Anderson part of the theft recovery as for the seat belts for defect notices in 70s that is incorrect as for seatbelts weren't compulsory and most vehicles did not have seatbelts and as for modifications to vehicles the guideline is manufacturers maximum and minimum specifications for safe operation their vehicles it is actually quite easy to find out how you can modify your vehicle without headaches from the pigs that is look up the manufacturers minimum and maximum standards for their vehicles you will find wheel offsets you will find maximum and minimum Heights you will find maximum and minimum wheel sizes and motor registry actually has a quite easy one to find to do with wheel wits the tyre is not to stick out more than one inch past manufacturers fitted parts as a vehicle builder engineer I've had to know all these things for a long time the police have tried to defect my vehicles in the past they have never achieved it yet I have built drag cars Street rods handsome extremely highly modified vehicles it is incredibly easy to find the information you need for modifications but if all these four-wheel drivers that complain that their mods get defected and use the excuse they've been engineered most of the engineer's that say yes this is ok aren't even qualified to do the job there is a reason why manufacturers have maximum standards for safety and reliability of their vehicles go to wide with your wheels you will have broken axles stuffed suspension go to high with your vehicle it will fall over stop watching what the Americans do because there is no road safety standards in the u.s. my four-wheel drive is modified and the pigs cannot find fault with any of my modifications and from what I see most modifications that these guys do are completely useless and make the vehicle less capable wheels too big massive lost in horsepower lift kits rollovers and big leaf kids are completely useless if you run solid axle
The loudest complaints about the road rules and being defected are from those who know the laws but set out to lift a middle finger to them anyway. Just follow the rules and you won't get defected.
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It's another fantastic video. A lot of people seem to overlook roof ratings. Thankfully, a lot of police check for this, but they could run into issues with insurance. Keep it up.
Over my many years of driving i have gradually seen 4wds being ridiculously modified and being driven aggressively.
Im sure some of these fools think they are sports cars.
Funny thing is I've very rarely seen these highly modified types of vehicles in what i would class as some of the more challenging places like crossing the Simpson, Cape York telegraph/CREB and Victorian high country tracks. They are mostly weekend warriors driving with some mates on tracks not too far from home as their vehicles would not be reliable enough to do a solo remote trip.
Just because your vehicle is a little larger than most cars don't drive it like your purpose overrides other road users.
Tint information for Tas is 20% all round. Not 35%
Perfect example of different information on different sites I guess.
you are so wrong, car is roadworthy as per state it is rego'd in and cant be defected in another state same as you drive by the rules of your licence. 11:31 says it all
Pretty much what I said.
Tasmania has some of the WORST heaps getting around cops don't do a dam thing, No need to have a car so high that you need a oxygen tank to breathe because air is so thin. My pet hate is illegal headlight conversion kits in a none projector housings, 7 led light bars over the whole car, 5% stupid tint, lifted and stupid unnecessary tyre's.
And home made bull bar's. My brother just bought a Ranger Raptor and you don't need to a bloody thing to it, fine like it is!
Home made bull bar??? Wow. Ive only seen that sort of thing on farms
Drive carefully we own two 4x4s,but I'm sick of cowboys tailgating and hassling other driver.more a driver mentality good on police more action needed.
Off road tires put my speedo out by 10km/h. An expensive lesson.
Yep, makes sense that it could happen
It's the tools that drive around with soot clouds coming from their vehicles, diesel soot is a known carcinogenic it's in the same category as mustard gas And asbestosis.
Amazes me re. Noise.
Load exhaust on cars and how it's targeted, so whilst you're getting done by your local enforcement a group of Harley's drive by...WTF
VSB14 read it
Most cops are great, some are just awefull. Even when you have a good attitude.
Bravo. I drive a Jeep Wrangler modestly modified, I see ALOT of Jeeps that are soooo illegal, too high, wheels outside guards etc. trying to emulate yank Jeeps, if you can get away with it kudos to you.
Totally agree tho DONT BE A DICKHEAD! You will NEVER win against the Police, even if you are right. Just be polite accept your fate and hey sometimes it goes your way!
I know a bloke that bought a Jeep, it got bogged in the carpet of the showroom.
@ we’ll done champion
It's not that hard to find the legislation over vehicle mods. You just go to an authorised inspection station, and ask. Even go to the people that test and accredit the testing stations, you'd be surprised how happy they are to help. I was an AIS here in Tas, I and 85%+ of Inspection stations will be happy to help you.
All the "roadworthy" legislation is based on the National standards.
Do NOT even bother to ask an after market retailer of automotive accessories if it's legal or not, their aim is to sell you (and make you pay for fitting, if possible). They don't care if it's "legal" or not, they want your money.
As an ex mechanic, a lot of the "mods" I saw to steering and suspension terrifies me. The average guy has no idea of the physics involved in keeping your tyres on the road and gripping so you can moving, steering and stopping. Unless you're better educated than the engineers that built the vehicle in the first place.. just leave it alone.
Common sense should cover it, but that's in very short supply these days.
Agree, common sense is in very short supply
The tyrants want our vehicles roadworthy but where is all the hundreds of millions going from the fuel taxes and GST TO MAKE OUR ROADS SAFER
Simple. 2 inch lift 33s are the limit for most cars. Don't out straight thru exhausts or wheel poke. 🤷
Yep that’s pretty much it, until you are in another state. State govs screw it up.
I'm into Amateur Radio
& have installed some crazy mofo antenna systems on my car.
I have had some cops try to claim they were illegal etc but at least then, they were considered an excempt modification.
Is this still True?
I once had a massive tilt up antenna tower on my van
that was legal when down
but quickly deployed into a 50 foot tall antenna system lol.
Pulled over a lot
but always got away with it 😂
HAHA, no idea mate. I didnt find much about them in what I was looking for, besides where they mounted. Youre talking about something a bit different
If you need to upgrade your 4wd beyond the legal limit, then you should be upgrading your vehicle instead..
Leyland brothers ;)
Well said!
Window tint. As long as you have external mirrors on the front of your vehicle any window behind the driver can be blacked out. Have you ever seen a toyota HiAce van with windows behind the driver. Please find me any person that has been stopped/fined in Victoria with rogue light bar, mounted behind the centre of the vehicle. I disagree with some of the advice you have provided however your advice on the attitude test is 150% correct! After watching the entire video I calmed down a bit and subscribed.
Different laws made my tyrants we are ONE COUNTRY ARNT EE SO WHY NOT REMOVE ALL TYRANTS IN STATE GOVERNMENT AND HAVE ONE LEGISLATION
Different Laws broken by fools.
As i say, you have a modifed 4x4, straight to jail. 100% are targeted. Even have spot blitzes on them. Just make sure u got a proper mod plate and ur good.
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Move to Florida!
ok
Finish this sentence
Queensland police are ………………..
This country is getting ridiculous what’s the big deal if you have a 4” lift with 35 tyres. It’s not hurting anyone, same with excessive driving lights. What’s the issue? The actually make it safer at night up bush.
You really have no idea...
@@iandickinson342or you could just be one of them blokes that loves a stock car. If you like boring shit good for you doesn’t mean everyone else shoyld
It's not all about you and I say with this due respect, but if you hit a pedestrian, or someone in a small car you're not going to be having a good day.. Or perhaps life.
@@iboswell if you live in a world of what ifs you’d spend most ur time sitting on the couch. Chances are if you hit a pedestrian in any car both parties will be having a bad day. And if we’re worried bout lifted cars hitting small cars does that mean we’re going to ban trucks on the road too?
I get your point but honestly I’d be more worried about half the other idiots they hand licences out to these days
add 4 inch lift to most 4wds..... they drive like a boat, it isnt safe... it all great that your nissan navara looks tuff till the day your wipe out a family because your 4 inch lift and 35 inch wheels couldnt handle the co
Seriously this stuff IS NOT hard to find.
Start with the ADRs, all editions of the ADRs are freely available on line.
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there are national modification guidlines plainly and clearly published.
there are also freely and openly available guides and documents.
There are a series of " vehicle standards bullitens" VSB
VSB14 is the one you are looking for for modifying 4wds.
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Some people find them hard to read, some people just don't want to know the truth.
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various states will permit some things beyond national guidelines.
QLD will permit driving lights above the windscreen, other states wont.
NT will permit a number of things other states wont
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Yeh there is a problem that too many people, willing ignore, all the regulations and guidlines, and not by a little bit.
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Yes the police, are going after these things and they have been for a very long time and it's not just 4wds.
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Here In QLD, there are many crews of specilist police, supported by local police working with very well equipped Transport Department vehicle inspectors.
These guys have been known to keep writting tickets till they run out of forms to write on ( it's electronic now).
They go thru modified 4wds like a dose of salts.
They find a lot of overloaded 4wds and caravan rigs ( a good number of 4wds are overloaded, some reasonably speculate that more caravan rigs will fail a trip over a scale than will pass)
yes they inspect trucks and log books too.
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yes and of course various police districts have blitzes.
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don't be surrised if you get inspected and pinged near any of the popular places, where people with modified vehicles go.
Only ever seems to be popular places. 100%
Everything that can raise more revenue for the gov is their priority. Gone are the days where the gov is representing and working for the people now it's in full control calling the shots and taking advantage of it also willing to violate your rights and commit and cover up acts of violence to make you submit to what they want you to do while taking your rights one by one away until we are brain-dead gutless cash cows or slaves to the system fully submitted to their authority.There's no such thing as a government focused on creating a better Australia for Australian people. it's about creating a stronger government breeding out watering down Australian culture so nobody will be able to get together and take it back. Why is it antisemitism punishable by law to talk about Jewish people in a negative way but fine to do the same thing about Australian culture. There is no such thing as a fair go in Australia only what you can still get away with. We are a dying breed. We need to stick together. We need change on a dramatic scale.
Its designed to empty your wallet
Everything is designed to empty your wallet
So whats the point now? Stick to the law and all these over the top mods are for show anyway.
Who cares if they’re just for looks? Maybe that’s how they want their car to be. If u like stock keep it stock
@@Mountainslayerc50 because if the mods are done by a muppet and they don't address caster issues or brake issues then they are driving something that is a potential unguided death trap for other motorists .
Still way more dangerous people on the roads in stock cars then your occasional lift to the sky patrol
@@Mountainslayerc50 yes there are and there are laws that they break as well . drivers should have to pass an advanced driving course every 5 years to keep an unrestricted licence . I've no issue with modified cars , I drive them myself , what I don't what is muppets that think they know everything yet have no idea . Modify it , get it engineered , simple . If nobody will engineer it there is most likely a safety reason why .
@@Mountainslayerc50 Well if how you want your car to look is against the laws, then you have a problem. It's not hard !!
fifth reason - it all about your $aftey and profit$ for broke and inept state....... it's all about the road $aftey and yet the road death counter has gone north.......
The aditude test
I got done for a single row 20 inch lightbar on top of my bullbar. Their reason was it was a hazard to pedestrians. I laughed and said I think a pedestrian has more to worry about than a 20 inch lightbar if they step out in front of me. My bus is 3 tonne. If they don’t die on first impact then both diffs will finish them off. Still had to remove the lightbar. Stupid
In regards to bullbars, you cant have protrusions, sharp edges, or anything that interferes with your field of view, I just googled it and came up on government website. I imagine lights on top of bar cover all three of these things.
@@anthony-1357 Dont forget that bureaucrats in Canberra tried for years to get bull bars banned. I was hit once by a bull bar as a fool sped through a shopping center car park, I had presence of mind to jump up just as the bar whacked my legs,breaking one. I doubt lights on top would have hurt more...
It's a cutting hazard to pedestrians and I'm glad the police made you take it off.
Great video mate !
Cheers mate
Great video :)
At the end of the day, you need to follow the rules. If you don't know the rules, find out what they are. If you don't agree with the rules, you still gotta follow them. Police are just enforcing the rules, they don't make them. It's pretty simple...
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People who have never driven 4 wheel drive vehicles are making the laws to collect revenue, mods make the vehicle safer for its intended purpose
Some mods make it safer.