If verticals is 1 then the horizontal is 1.618. So if your canvas is 10 inches vertically then the horizontal is 16.18 inches. Now measure a square inside the rectangle that is 10” by 10”. Move to the small resulting rectangle and measure another square and so on. I am glad you discovered this for yourself. All of math was discovered this way. I am a scientist and an artist, as well as a math minor. It is all beautiful to me. Celebrating your epiphany with you and wishing you the joy of many more!
Oh my.... I think if we sat down together over a coffee and I had a pen and paper and did a few, with guidance, I just might get it! I am, admittedly, unable to add 2+2 let alone grasp anything as dynamic as the Golden Ratio. I humbly settle for being close enough. Thank you for this lovely comment. I am smiling.
Vida, you say that, but you figured out a mathematical process from scratch! You may have difficulty with arithmetic (often a problem with the teaching method) but I suspect you might have some unrealized abilities with math.
@@SpectrumOfChange well can I buy you a cup of coffee? This brought me a warm smile. You may be right, as I started to do well in math from algebra upwards, but I still cannot add simple numbers. And since in daily life we usually only use simple equations, my experience with math has been wanting. Have a great day and thanks for your thoughts.
@@vidaevensonart I receive all coffee :) and yes, you've immediately grasped the concept exactly! It's easy to conflate arithmetic with math, due to many things, including daily usage. But the two are NOT the same thing. If that's how your school experience went, that pretty much confirms my suspicion re your math affinity. I'm glad the idea landed, it's a damn shame people can go around thinking they're bad at something they're actually likely gifted in.
You made me laugh so much when you were doing the maths, but I totally saw the difference in the painting after you applied the ‘anatomy of a rectangle’ and I love what you said about a little bit of discord being part of life. I also think your hair is amazing! 🥰
I remember when I first heard this. I was in elementary school. It gave me a greater love for languages and possibly helped me begin to see that what I consider to be “correct” may not be true at all. I am half Greek and had early exposure to a completely different language, with all the diversity of expression that goes along with a new language. If you are an artist, and you paint, then you know there are many different “languages” of creating. Abstract, hyper realism, Impressionism, contemporary etc. and the culture of these different styles is different than the others. Sorry for this long reply….. I’m having a download, of sorts, and if I don’t express it I’ll lose it 😆. Thank you for the insight that sparked a new connection between our creative selves and daily life. Have a beautiful day today.
@@vidaevensonart Thanks for your reply. I also have a great love of languages and in fact I learned to speak Greek when I lived in Crete for seven years in my twenties. I love Greece and the Greek language - it’s amazing how many Greek words are so much more expressive and imageable than English words, it made me view the world differently when I learned Greek. I get what you’re saying about the different ‘languages’ of art as well - each has its own particular view or interpretation of life, in a way.
Love you right back!!! I do have some mentoring/coaching spots open for this fall if you’re interested 😊. Have a beautiful day today and thanks for your wonderful comment! Made my day 🥰
Thank you, Vida Evenson, for this. I am a returning artist (it's been over 40 years!) & I'm working in abstract acrylics now but I've struggled w/composition when it comes to this stuff. You have helped me so much. YOU are so much fun!
I know I replied yesterday, but here there is nothing. YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION! May you always have all the paints you need to create your heart’s desire, rolls and rolls of quality canvas at your fingertips and a joyful song filling the studio. Keep creating 🤩😊
Yes, adding that small piece is much better, and although I am good at math, I would prefer using your shortcut. My old design teacher used to say if it looks right it is right. Many thanks.
Oh I just love your comment! Big smiles to you on this rainy day in Greece. I love what you design teacher said and I fully agree. Good enough is better than perfect in so many ways. Have a great day today!
For years, I’ve also been using the Golden Ratio 1:1.618 for the overall canvas dimensions. It makes a huge difference even before starting the actual painting process. For example, 20x32” canvas. Thank you for highlighting this simple beauty standard yet unrecognised by so many.
You are so welcome! I hope this will be useful to you when you don’t have the time to calculate the Golden Ratio. This works great for plain air paintings, or when doing studies.
I was also so excited when I found out about this and relieved I didn’t have to do the math. I drew up grids on top of old master paintings and was even more amazed to see how the masters used this in practically all the paintings. I now base all my paintings on this theory. Constantly learning! You explained it very well btw.
Using thirds means .66 vs. using the Fib of .618, practically .62. .62/.66=94% so it's essentially the same. If you can do thirds you can move the line a little tiny bit and you'll be right on. I did enjoy the enthusiasm of your discovery. 😊 Aloha
I REMEMBER , the RUSSIAN CHILDREN that LEARN THE GOLDEN RATIO . I seen this about it 10 - 15 years ago. THEY LEARN TO DRAW when about age four, in school NOT like American Children, doing FINGER PAINTING and BLOW PAINTING . THEY do the scroll work, seen in famous buildings around Third fourth Grade GOLDEN RATIO is what they are taught. America children in past did learn about the Golden Ratio , but it was more applied to Science, Biology, and Math. ART in American schools since the 50's went down hill, once more Public Schools were being built. ART was considered a place for the so called DUMB. or miss behaved children. But I learned the Triangle use
@@tommartino8692depends what you think the art is. Leonardo da Vinci was a scientist and did anatomy studies on corpses to better understand and paint better. Or artist is a person who leave the school, take drugs that cause hallucinations, make paintings that not many people like and think it's a good day when can remember where he lives. Art and science use to be the same.
Art now seems more and more about generating and moving product. Then there's simply pouring paint on paper that sort of grates on me despite kinda neat results.@@mariem6605
Thanks for showing up in my feed (!). I appreciate you sharing this information. Learned something today. But I sure did enjoy the little berry sitting out front all by itself.
Very interesting stuff (I’m curious to test both methods on a single rectangle & see how close it is), & I like where your head is at with your approach to compositions (I definitely agree that these Golden Ratio based methods get at something innate about our sense of aesthetic perfection). (Haha this “anatomy of a rectangle” also provides a very fast way of drawing a hexagram). But I do just want to point out, for anyone who is struggling with the math- there are Golden Ratio calculators you can pull up online that will do all the math for you. All you need to understand is the basic theory: that the Golden Ratio formed when a whole length (a+b) is divided up into two sections (a & b) such that the ratio between the shorter part & the longer part is the same as the ratio between the longer part & the whole, which ends up being where you get the constant of 1.618, the constant associated with phi & the Golden Ratio. If you understand that, all you have to provide the Golden Ratio calculator is one of the values. If you know the length of a side of your canvas, you can put that in as the whole (a+b) & it will tell you what the length of the longer part & the shorter part will be , which will tell you where to draw a line for the first rectangle in the golden spiral construction (& then you just keep putting in the lengths of the lines you draw to get the distance to the next line). It might take a little thinking to make sure you use the correct distance & place it properly, but if you need the actual spiral rather than just an approximation or the origin point, then it’s still a lot faster than doing all the math by hand. I know some of the calculators I’ve found online work on mobile device, some don’t, but one of the first results should. Also, you might really appreciate this book called Cosmometry: Exploring the Holofractal Nature of the Cosmos (there’s also a lot of good info on their website). The book & site have whole sections on the Golden Ratio, but also on other very fundamental patterns that reoccur throughout nature, & the geometry that underlie natural formations like plants; the spirals of spiral galaxies & hurricanes & so on, DNA; the double torus pattern that reoccurs from the scale of atoms & polar molecules to galaxies… They have a whole section in the book about the boundary condition & field that emerge when you have two opposite-direction golden spirals coming from the same origin point, & one thing you may find interesting & relevant to art & composition is another feature that emerges from the Golden Ratio: the “Phi scaling angle.” Basically, if you have a series of circles whose diameters are equal to the numbers of the Fibonacci sequence (so one of them has a radius of 2, then 3, then 5, then 8, then 13, & so on), & you line them up against an even baseline & measure the angle that is created (a reflection of the rate that they’re growing, based on the Fibonacci sequence), the angle comes out to about 27.3 degrees. And, as they illustrate in the book, there are a strikingly large number of places in nature (in particular, where living things are growing) where this very specific angle pops up. They show multiple types of trees where the bark forms patterns that diverge & converge at this “phi scaling angle,” fields of wheat or patterns the water leaves on sand which form a “basket weave” pattern where the crossing lines meet at 27.3 degrees, ferns whose pseudo-fractal branches iterate outwards so that, from the tip towards the base, they widen by this phi scaling angle… It seems like there are all kinds of ways that phi/the Golden Ratio & the Fibonacci sequence play a formative role in nature, along with other fundamental constants, & I’m sure there’s a lot more for artists to learn about what role this geometry plays in our sense of aesthetic beauty. I definitely recommend the book, but like I said, a lot of the same info is available on their site (cosmometry.net). If you go there, click the tab “Explore cosmometry” & then “Cosmometry 101,” they have a self-teaching course/study guide that introduces people to some of these ideas in a digestible order. But the whole idea behind “cosmometry” (obviously a portmanteau of cosmic geometry) is that it is an effort to study the underlying geometric patterns that give rise to the organic complexity of our universe. And while I encourage people to think critically for themselves (I’m not necessarily endorsing every single claim they’ve ever made, or suggesting cosmometry provides a theory of everything that excludes the need for other branches of physics & cosmology & so on, or even other more mathematically rigorous geometry-based theories like Klee Irwin’s Emergence Theory), there’s certainly a lot of very good & thought-provoking info to pick up on there, & since it’s all oriented around exactly this area of geometry, I thought it would be a good resource for you.
OMG... This is why I never get anything done! So interesting... LMAO, when you said hexagram I thought you meant hexagons, I see it now!😂 SMH, I'm super interested in the to opposite direction golden spirals coming from the same origin point. So, are they butted up against each other to make a heart shape?
I actually have used the geometric process of dividing the paper and making diagonals between points but did not know was related to the Fibonacci Sequence. It has improved my compositions too. Thank you, I learned something and you are a joy to watch.
The creation of art is so closely tied to science. The Lord uses creation and creating to really bring us joy and feed our souls in so many ways. What amazes me is how our brains may work in totally different realms, but we are still drawn, almost compulsively to create. Even if we do it in different media or different worlds altogether. I am one half of a set of "Mirror Image Twins." My identical twin sister taught advanced math, physics & chemistry even before she had earned her degrees in them. Incredibly, she just "knew" them instinctively. It lead her to being an exceptional quilt artist. When she "sees" something beautiful she wants to create, she sees the mathematical patterns that make it beautiful and the equations at the same time, and they make sense to her. I have learned that as "artists," even if we aren't aware of it, we are sensing the patterns and using them. In spite of our "lack" of mathematical abilities, the gift of visualization is there. Even though our abilities of explaining or comprehending them isn't as concrete, you have obviously been blessed with the ability to show it to the world in the beauty you create.
Oh thank you for this lovely comment. I do understand and agree with your thoughts. I love the idea of “sensing the patterns”. I think that is a valid point.
Thank you so much for sharing this! I am a visual person and seeing is the easiest way for me to learn. My brain does not do well with math and numbers so this was great. I’m so excited I wanted to thank you right away and also say that your lovely painting was improved so very much by that little change it illustrated your point perfectly. Also your so right about the balance in everything, sometimes I need a reminder so thank you for that as well!
Great tip! I am cracking up over here on this tiny Greek island for not thinking of this all this time!!! LOL!!! Oh dear, this is proof that I am not a logical, math type person. I’ll be giggling about this all day… thanks soooo much for making my life easier! And not only my life, but my student’s life as well!
Year after year I procrastinate creating the 6-foot wide painting for my daughter's living room, all because I am stuck on the golden ratio. With your magic Fibonacci .618 multiplying both Width halves into subservience, then extending those little suckers into smaller and smaller boxes ... I finally have arrived. You are both a great teacher and a charming, sweet person. Ζωή .. Vida .. חיה .. anyway you say it, underneath the gentle façade I detect a deep intellectual and candid fire nourishing the hungry flames of your creativity. Now I will Subscribe to your channel and watch your other gems.
I thank you deeply for your comment. There is even an easier way to find the golden ratio using the rule of thirds. Watch this video and let me know what you think. It is so easy and will work for your 6 foot wall mural. Here’s the link: th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZDen9q4uEboraGM6
First time am watching a video from your channel while i was preparing a painting. Am a watercolorist and use the golden ratio to put some maskingfluid on certain places and then make an intuitive painting. After your video I started messuring the way you expained and had to giggle because had put my highlights almost on the right spots. Had been looking for an easy way to do it, recognize the struggle with math. And it does make a painting better, since am using this am very pleased with the results. So thank you! And you look just like a friend of mine, very weird..i like your hair btw.
Well thank you so much! So glad this little hack is working for you. I find it easy to use and can quickly adjust my composition and design. I put my main focal area on this Golden Mean and then also use Anatomy of a Rectangle to place other important areas of the painting. Not in all of them, of course, and I don't worry too much about it. There is always that visual "knowing" that doesn't need a ruler and pencil, or any mathematical equation to find. Happy Painting!
Hey thanks so much! I have such a great time with discoveries like this because they don’t happen very often. There is no one way to make a great composition, but this tool can be a great help in your designing process of your composition. And if you aren’t a painter, remember that this also applies to anything creative (and, in my book, everything is an act of creativity).
Vida I love your spirit! I teach beginner watercolor and try not to overwhelm with too much technical info regarding composition. This makes it much more attainable!
Thanks so much for commenting! I fully understand. For my beginners I usually go with the classic rule of thirds. You can also check out the updated golden ratio video for an even easier way to do this using the rule of thirds. SUPER EASY for beginners. Have a beautiful day!
YOU are behind anything I do in this painting world. My gratitude never fades. You brought the elements of creating art to such a deeper level in me, and this is what I teach to the best of my ability. You are always there in the foundations of my mind as I ask my students to find their own problem areas in their paintings. I use pink dots too 🥰
You can do the same for square canvases. It works beautifully. However, I discovered an easier way to do this Fibonacci Golden Ratio thing using the rule of thirds. It's in this video: th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8SjJdrXZ-9XYQ85k
I consider myself to be creative/artistic. I also paint. I have always always struggled with math. And yet I understand that ‘math’, is INHERENTLY IMPORTANT in the ‘creative process’. How? I ‘know’ this because despite having written off my mathematic abilities (inabilities 🙄) ages ago, I am CONTINUALLY BEING SHOWN that it is ‘THERE’ right at the surface + it’s NOT GOING TO BE GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON… okay… EVER! Thank you for opening a ‘small crack of light’ for me - in this area of ‘composition’ around the Fibonacci Sequence etc. I feel that, that which has been ‘dark’, for a long time, is coming into the light! Whew! TY 🫣🫥😵💫
I completely understand you and may this new light shine down beautifully on you, opening up new doors and windows for you to grow and expand in your artistic realm. Sending you much love today.
You are so funny and real. This video made my day and made my whole weekend. I just sent the link to my husband who is on a hunting trip - that's how much identify with you!! You have a new subscriber right here! Thank you for sharing !
Loved how excited you got over finding this. I SO get it. Going from images to numbers? Really difficult to do. Most folks live predominantly in one side of their brain. We can switch and focus on numbers or alphabet but oh man trying to do both at the same time.... not easy
Do yourself a favor and check out the updated video that is SUPER EASY a 3 year old can do it. Here’s the link: th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SFVDIjYhMYRQZJBO
WOW! PRETTY DAM COOL Thanks VEA for this awesome lesson! This rule is also about the "rule of thirds"! I don't understand why in my intellect, but I can see this and feel that, it has great significance in my visual experience! So here I have a lot to immerse myself in :)
Glad it was helpful! And yes, I do not use this to get exact numbers and placements, but that beautiful realm of close enough. The context is composition in art, and so what looks and feels right, along with this simple trick (for us non linear types) works BEAUTIFULLY for me. Hope it's helpful for others too.
The big jar just about disappeared in my focus!!, the picture feels good to look at now with the focus is the lemon end, how awesome of a discovery, thank you so much for bringing this out. It will be very cool to see you do that in future paintings so that we can all learn better how to do it. The picture did look boring until you did that and I did not even notice that or think that until you changed it to that spot! Thank you thank you
Oh I loved this…. Thank you so much. And YES my next video will be me using this for my next painting. I will make a point of bringing this out again and again if it will be of help. I so appreciate you, and others here, who have suggested this. Thank you 🥰
Yes! It’s not the perfect Fibonacci sequence spot, but definitely close enough and perfect for an exciting focal area (depending on the purpose of the painting, of course).
Hello there! I'm happy to have you here and I hope I can be useful to you. Let me know if you have any questions, or have anything you'd like to see in my upcoming videos. I appreciate your kind comment. Have a great day today!
Thank you very much for this video, very instructive and brings peace to watch. Just subscribed to your channel for more! Thank you for sharing it, best regards
Hey good morning from this tiny Greek island! Thank you for subscribing and for your wonderful comment! Please let me know what you would like to see. I’ve got a list of videos to create and I’m happy to answer any questions you may have. Have a great day today!
@@vidaevensonart thank you for your reply. Yes, I started a few month ago getting some gear for painting. I did few scketches and drawings and when I saw your video really comes together many ideas I have. Am a musician and I always had the passion for paintings . The start for me is to do and create structure on the painting that connects with the viewer and inspire what I was thinking when I paint. Then colours is what I do not know much so, it will be useful if you recommend one of your videos. Your paintings are realy telling a story and that is what I am aiming to. From London thank you
I have saved your comment and will make a video for you on color tomorrow. I have some older videos on my Mediterranean palette but it does not answer your question. I support using a limited palette. In my 3 month course and private mentoring we use a primary limited palette plus burnt sienna then move into a classic limited palette. I’ll get more into this in the upcoming video which should be ready by Friday. Thanks for inspiring me for this next quick tip video!
@@vidaevensonart Thank you very much for inspiring me and many others on your channel! I will check out your Mediterranean video and your page for mentoring. I have not been in any class yet so it will be ideal for me to do it so. Very much appreciated, I look forward for your video you just described. Happy paintings!!!
You are so welcome! Know that my inspiration is only approximate, but it's close enough and visually exciting in your painting. Hope you try it, and let me know how it goes for you.
@@vidaevensonartI love how you changed that point in your painting, but the rule of thirds spots work in the same way don’t they? Easy to understand and see for me. Do you think the other round things on the right of the main vase are essential? Just a thought, as they are similar size to what is on the left. Cheers and thanks for your interesting thought provoking video. ❤
Probably not necessary for the composition, but I do like the counter balance role they play. The orange is larger, but the shapes are similar. My purpose for them is to play subtle directional roles. When I get back to this painting I will consider your question and see what comes up.
Hon , you're a genius ! So fortunate that I found your youtube video . Love your, demeanor . I'll follow you on The Tube . I must try this sometime . Oh , love your hair - quite a focal point you have there .
Hey thanks so much! Far from genius, but I'll take the compliment (big smiles)! There is an even easier way to find the Fibonacci spot using the rule of thirds. Very close to where the lines cross. I did an updated video on it here: th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=g4Xyktrm91xDPjbI It's even easier than this video!
That was a perfect find for me, thank you. I had been watching lots of videos and to be honest, I was struggling with the maths of most videos. But, yours was just what I was looking for. It is perfect for my arty vision of furniture design and DIY. You are a genius, and a great teacher. You solved my scaling issues for all 2 dimensional surfaces. I love you for that XX ❣💕👍
It is so awesome when your brain does somrthing wonderful. You are an awesome lady to share with the rest of us. I have been trying for years to figure out how to make this easier. thank you sooooo much. Big hug!
Thank you so much! BIG FAT GREEK HUGS coming right back to you!!! And yes it is awesome when you get a decent “download”. We’ll see when/if I get another one, but I’ll share it if I do. Have a beautiful day, my friend.
Oh!! Wonderful. I work with thirds mostly because math has never been my strongest skill. I’m going to try this out TODAY! I love the way you combine painting and creating with your daily life. I subscribed to your channel. You’re truly inspirational! It comes at the right time. Thank you 🙏
WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!!!! My dear Elisabeth I deeply appreciate having you here. May I be a helpful guide for wherever you need go in your creative journey 🥰.
Thank you… This is what I’ve been wanting to try! Thanks for simplifying it!! QUESTION: Is it the same process whether your painting is going to be Portrait or Landscape? ???? I made a tracing paper template for a 12 x 9 using your rectangle method. IF I want to paint it 8 x 12 .. is it the same points? Thanks
Thanks for your comment and taking the time to ask this question. Yes this works on both landscape and portrait. No problem there, but you will need to draw out the lines for different sized canvases. They won’t be in the right spot otherwise.
You are so welcome! Go check my new video on applying it to a painting with an even easier way of finding this balanced imbalance focal area. Let me know what you discover…🤩
I do think you change to the painting made the composition look a little better. On your anatomy of a rectangle method, the red dots look a little closer to the right or left edges than the golden ratio spots you drew. I wonder, is that just a result of hand-drawn approximation or a feature (or am I just seeing it wrong)?
Thanks so much! Before doing the video I checked to see if it works on a square panel. It works just fine 😁. Divide the square diagonally to find the center and draw down the center line. Then divide each side as shown in the video. Let me know how it goes for you and good luck!
Do you only use one of the four red dots created in your anatomy of a rectangle? For example, when you chose to re-locate the lemon on the left lower red dot. Do you use the other three red dots for any of your other items you are including in your painting? Or do you locate all the other items based on the focal lemon? Thanks!
Great question! So it depends on the painting. Usually, I will choose one of the red dots for the main focal area and then use the crosshairs in the Anatomy of a Rectangle for other semi-important areas. If you used the other Golden Mean spots (red spots) then the painting would be too balanced and lose impact. My motto is to create a balanced imbalance in the composition of your painting. And much of my design and composition relies on what feels right to me for that particular scene. In this still life painting I used in this video, if I used the red spots then I would have created a visual rectangle within the rectangle of the canvas. WAY too much balance, and too much balance is boring. It's not that you can't have things in those areas, but they need to be the extras used to support the main areas. Hope I'm making sense for you. Let me know, OK?
I think the other -points can be used in a triangle formation to lead the viewer around the picture. I have noticed the landscape masters used this 3 points of interest in their works. Very interesting. So much so that I can’t stop gridding every painting I see to learn how to apply composition with this method.
The guy who started the tiny home craze Jay Schaefer, used the golden ration to build his first tiny home. They also talk about it in the book The Davinci Code concerning its use in the human body.
Looks fantastic, most of the time I don’t use the golden rule ( that is how it is called in Dutch ) I just paint the composition on and afterward I measure the composition, most of the time not far off😅 but on a bad day those calculations come in handy 👌 thank u for this explanation and it will help a lot of painters ❤️✨❤️
Thanks so much! I recently did a part 2 version of this Golden Ratio and tried it in a painting while using a Super easy method to generally find this lovely spot. It works!!!
You are so welcome! Happy to share anything that might help us in the creative process! Keep your brushes loaded with paint and your heart happy. Have a lovely day today.
Someone else had this same question. Just use one Gilden Ratio for your main focal area and then use the other areas of the anatomy of a rectangle for your other points of interest. Especially if you are beginning this journey, or are an intermediate artist, in my humble opinion. When you get that strong foundation built, and the cement has cured, then you can begin to build up your creative home in any way that suits you. But first build a strong foundation.
I just now came across your channel and this video. Im soooo new and lost in all this info. Would it be possible to start a video from scratch with an image, paint it and fin please? I will now start watching your videos, you might have already done it, so please excuse me if you did already. Love your video and beautiful energy!❤
Thank you so much for your comment. If you are brand new to painting I would suggest that you leave all this Fibonacci golden ratio stuff for later. Find an image, like a lemon, keep it simple and first learn how to paint form. Get a yellow, red and blue and a titanium white. That’s all you need to get started. Keep it simple. I have a video on using items from your home for canvases. Cardboard works great for learning if you don’t want to spend money on canvases. Don’t worry about anything else. And rule #1…. Have FUN 🤩
You’re welcome! I did an updated video on using the rule of thirds to find the Golden Ratio sweet spot. It’s the same title with UPDATED in the front: UPDATED Easy Golden Ratio HACK if you’re interested. I appreciate your comment. Thanks for stopping by!
I think the exercise with the diagonals (at 9:25) is giving you THIRDS (if you connect the top two red dots and bottom two red dots with horizontal lines), but not info about the Fibonacci Sequence. (To get lines on the vertical thirds, do a similar exercise with two more "X" marks for the top and bottom halves of the rectangle, and connect the left two dots and right two dots with vertical lines). The red dots come close to touching part of the Fibonacci curve, but are not very close to hitting it's center points. (I enjoyed your passion for painting in this video, so I liked and subscribed.)
Hey thanks for your thoughts. I have learned so much through this discourse with you and others here. I will not pretend to understand the entirety of the Fibonacci sequence. I struggle with defining the difference between it and the golden ratio. But for my purposes of finding the best spots in my painting for focal areas, this hack works well enough. I mentioned to another how I’d love to sit with them, paper and pencil in hand, and have them teach me more about the Fibonacci sequence and how to do the math etc. A fabulous landscape artist named Jim Wodark uses this sequence in a way that, geometrically, creates the golden mean. To me it’s all very confusing BUT somehow this hack made sense. It is a visual way of quickly creating an exciting focal area by ever so slightly creating enough imbalance on the canvas to make for a more exciting composition. I’m putting together another video on using thirds to find the sweet spot and again with no math. Thanks so much for following me. I love a good conversation.
Also I recently uploaded a new video on this topic and testing if the distance of using the thirds or the golden ratio. Indeed it is all in the same area, but visually more pleasing than the thirds spot. Your comment here inspired me to test it out 😊
This is essentially the Rule Of Thirds still…. This is cool how they’re all connected.❤ Great video.
Glad you enjoyed it!
If verticals is 1 then the horizontal is 1.618. So if your canvas is 10 inches vertically then the horizontal is 16.18 inches. Now measure a square inside the rectangle that is 10” by 10”. Move to the small resulting rectangle and measure another square and so on. I am glad you discovered this for yourself. All of math was discovered this way. I am a scientist and an artist, as well as a math minor. It is all beautiful to me. Celebrating your epiphany with you and wishing you the joy of many more!
Oh my.... I think if we sat down together over a coffee and I had a pen and paper and did a few, with guidance, I just might get it! I am, admittedly, unable to add 2+2 let alone grasp anything as dynamic as the Golden Ratio. I humbly settle for being close enough. Thank you for this lovely comment. I am smiling.
Vida, you say that, but you figured out a mathematical process from scratch! You may have difficulty with arithmetic (often a problem with the teaching method) but I suspect you might have some unrealized abilities with math.
@@SpectrumOfChange well can I buy you a cup of coffee? This brought me a warm smile. You may be right, as I started to do well in math from algebra upwards, but I still cannot add simple numbers. And since in daily life we usually only use simple equations, my experience with math has been wanting. Have a great day and thanks for your thoughts.
@@vidaevensonart I receive all coffee :)
and yes, you've immediately grasped the concept exactly! It's easy to conflate arithmetic with math, due to many things, including daily usage. But the two are NOT the same thing. If that's how your school experience went, that pretty much confirms my suspicion re your math affinity. I'm glad the idea landed, it's a damn shame people can go around thinking they're bad at something they're actually likely gifted in.
Oooooooo…… me gifted in math….. that’s a whole new version of me!!! I’ll take it 🤩
You made me laugh so much when you were doing the maths, but I totally saw the difference in the painting after you applied the ‘anatomy of a rectangle’ and I love what you said about a little bit of discord being part of life. I also think your hair is amazing! 🥰
Oh you are so sweet!!! Thank you for such a lovely, thoughtful comment. 🥰
Math can be plural. Not maths.
@@beverlyhayshouston2770 In the UK we say maths
I remember when I first heard this. I was in elementary school. It gave me a greater love for languages and possibly helped me begin to see that what I consider to be “correct” may not be true at all. I am half Greek and had early exposure to a completely different language, with all the diversity of expression that goes along with a new language. If you are an artist, and you paint, then you know there are many different “languages” of creating. Abstract, hyper realism, Impressionism, contemporary etc. and the culture of these different styles is different than the others. Sorry for this long reply….. I’m having a download, of sorts, and if I don’t express it I’ll lose it 😆. Thank you for the insight that sparked a new connection between our creative selves and daily life. Have a beautiful day today.
@@vidaevensonart Thanks for your reply. I also have a great love of languages and in fact I learned to speak Greek when I lived in Crete for seven years in my twenties. I love Greece and the Greek language - it’s amazing how many Greek words are so much more expressive and imageable than English words, it made me view the world differently when I learned Greek.
I get what you’re saying about the different ‘languages’ of art as well - each has its own particular view or interpretation of life, in a way.
Love you! You’re so real! Not embarrassed to show your self…yes would love you as a teacher!
Love you right back!!! I do have some mentoring/coaching spots open for this fall if you’re interested 😊. Have a beautiful day today and thanks for your wonderful comment! Made my day 🥰
Thank you, Vida Evenson, for this. I am a returning artist (it's been over 40 years!) & I'm working in abstract acrylics now but I've struggled w/composition when it comes to this stuff. You have helped me so much. YOU are so much fun!
I know I replied yesterday, but here there is nothing. YOU ARE AN INSPIRATION! May you always have all the paints you need to create your heart’s desire, rolls and rolls of quality canvas at your fingertips and a joyful song filling the studio. Keep creating 🤩😊
I love your energy! I would've loved to have you as an art teacher in high school. You're so excited about this discovery, it makes me excited too lol
Ohhhh I am smiling so bright with your lovely words! Thank you so much! Have a beautiful day!
I SO agree with you!
Hey thanks so much 🥰
Yes, adding that small piece is much better, and although I am good at math, I would prefer using your shortcut. My old design teacher used to say if it looks right it is right. Many thanks.
Oh I just love your comment! Big smiles to you on this rainy day in Greece. I love what you design teacher said and I fully agree. Good enough is better than perfect in so many ways. Have a great day today!
For years, I’ve also been using the Golden Ratio 1:1.618 for the overall canvas dimensions. It makes a huge difference even before starting the actual painting process. For example, 20x32” canvas. Thank you for highlighting this simple beauty standard yet unrecognised by so many.
You are so welcome! I hope this will be useful to you when you don’t have the time to calculate the Golden Ratio. This works great for plain air paintings, or when doing studies.
I was also so excited when I found out about this and relieved I didn’t have to do the math. I drew up grids on top of old master paintings and was even more amazed to see how the masters used this in practically all the paintings. I now base all my paintings on this theory. Constantly learning! You explained it very well btw.
Oh WONDERFUL!!! Thank you so much! And I am excited for you and wish you many beautiful works of art 🙃
Using thirds means .66 vs. using the Fib of .618, practically .62.
.62/.66=94% so it's essentially the same. If you can do thirds you can move the line a little tiny bit and you'll be right on. I did enjoy the enthusiasm of your discovery. 😊
Aloha
Hats off to you for being able to put things in order. I’m not able to, sadly 😂. Thanks so much, though.
I REMEMBER , the RUSSIAN CHILDREN that LEARN THE GOLDEN RATIO . I seen this about it 10 - 15 years ago. THEY LEARN TO DRAW when about age four, in school NOT like American Children, doing FINGER PAINTING and BLOW PAINTING . THEY do the scroll work, seen in famous buildings around Third fourth Grade GOLDEN RATIO is what they are taught. America children in past did learn about the Golden Ratio , but it was more applied to Science, Biology, and Math. ART in American schools since the 50's went down hill, once more Public Schools were being built. ART was considered a place for the so called DUMB. or miss behaved children. But I learned the Triangle use
Rule of thirds is still easier, even though it doesn't give you exactness. Another obsession which distracts from true artistic creative solutions.
@@tommartino8692depends what you think the art is. Leonardo da Vinci was a scientist and did anatomy studies on corpses to better understand and paint better. Or artist is a person who leave the school, take drugs that cause hallucinations, make paintings that not many people like and think it's a good day when can remember where he lives.
Art and science use to be the same.
Fascinating!
Art now seems more and more about generating and moving product. Then there's simply pouring paint on paper that sort of grates on me despite kinda neat results.@@mariem6605
THANK YOU FOR THIS!!!! I have been recently trying to figure this out. Brilliant! You made it so it was easy to understand.
Thank you Karen!!! I have another one with an even easier way. Same title as this video but with “UPDATED”. I’m here if you have any questions.
Your enthusiasm is contagious and your tip is amazing. Thanks for sharing 😊
😂 yeah, I can be enthusiastic over a cup of coffee. Thanks so much!!!
😊😃🥰Thanks for helping those of us with no math skills.
Any time! I certainly know the feeling!
Ha ha ha
Right?! At the same time I'm glad she went over how to use the math bits... that was super helpful. ❤
Thanks for showing up in my feed (!). I appreciate you sharing this information. Learned something today. But I sure did enjoy the little berry sitting out front all by itself.
So glad you found me! And that berry is saved for a different composition 🙃😉
Very interesting stuff (I’m curious to test both methods on a single rectangle & see how close it is), & I like where your head is at with your approach to compositions (I definitely agree that these Golden Ratio based methods get at something innate about our sense of aesthetic perfection). (Haha this “anatomy of a rectangle” also provides a very fast way of drawing a hexagram).
But I do just want to point out, for anyone who is struggling with the math- there are Golden Ratio calculators you can pull up online that will do all the math for you. All you need to understand is the basic theory: that the Golden Ratio formed when a whole length (a+b) is divided up into two sections (a & b) such that the ratio between the shorter part & the longer part is the same as the ratio between the longer part & the whole, which ends up being where you get the constant of 1.618, the constant associated with phi & the Golden Ratio. If you understand that, all you have to provide the Golden Ratio calculator is one of the values. If you know the length of a side of your canvas, you can put that in as the whole (a+b) & it will tell you what the length of the longer part & the shorter part will be , which will tell you where to draw a line for the first rectangle in the golden spiral construction (& then you just keep putting in the lengths of the lines you draw to get the distance to the next line). It might take a little thinking to make sure you use the correct distance & place it properly, but if you need the actual spiral rather than just an approximation or the origin point, then it’s still a lot faster than doing all the math by hand. I know some of the calculators I’ve found online work on mobile device, some don’t, but one of the first results should.
Also, you might really appreciate this book called Cosmometry: Exploring the Holofractal Nature of the Cosmos (there’s also a lot of good info on their website). The book & site have whole sections on the Golden Ratio, but also on other very fundamental patterns that reoccur throughout nature, & the geometry that underlie natural formations like plants; the spirals of spiral galaxies & hurricanes & so on, DNA; the double torus pattern that reoccurs from the scale of atoms & polar molecules to galaxies… They have a whole section in the book about the boundary condition & field that emerge when you have two opposite-direction golden spirals coming from the same origin point, & one thing you may find interesting & relevant to art & composition is another feature that emerges from the Golden Ratio: the “Phi scaling angle.” Basically, if you have a series of circles whose diameters are equal to the numbers of the Fibonacci sequence (so one of them has a radius of 2, then 3, then 5, then 8, then 13, & so on), & you line them up against an even baseline & measure the angle that is created (a reflection of the rate that they’re growing, based on the Fibonacci sequence), the angle comes out to about 27.3 degrees. And, as they illustrate in the book, there are a strikingly large number of places in nature (in particular, where living things are growing) where this very specific angle pops up. They show multiple types of trees where the bark forms patterns that diverge & converge at this “phi scaling angle,” fields of wheat or patterns the water leaves on sand which form a “basket weave” pattern where the crossing lines meet at 27.3 degrees, ferns whose pseudo-fractal branches iterate outwards so that, from the tip towards the base, they widen by this phi scaling angle…
It seems like there are all kinds of ways that phi/the Golden Ratio & the Fibonacci sequence play a formative role in nature, along with other fundamental constants, & I’m sure there’s a lot more for artists to learn about what role this geometry plays in our sense of aesthetic beauty. I definitely recommend the book, but like I said, a lot of the same info is available on their site (cosmometry.net). If you go there, click the tab “Explore cosmometry” & then “Cosmometry 101,” they have a self-teaching course/study guide that introduces people to some of these ideas in a digestible order. But the whole idea behind “cosmometry” (obviously a portmanteau of cosmic geometry) is that it is an effort to study the underlying geometric patterns that give rise to the organic complexity of our universe. And while I encourage people to think critically for themselves (I’m not necessarily endorsing every single claim they’ve ever made, or suggesting cosmometry provides a theory of everything that excludes the need for other branches of physics & cosmology & so on, or even other more mathematically rigorous geometry-based theories like Klee Irwin’s Emergence Theory), there’s certainly a lot of very good & thought-provoking info to pick up on there, & since it’s all oriented around exactly this area of geometry, I thought it would be a good resource for you.
OMG... This is why I never get anything done! So interesting... LMAO, when you said hexagram I thought you meant hexagons, I see it now!😂 SMH, I'm super interested in the to opposite direction golden spirals coming from the same origin point. So, are they butted up against each other to make a heart shape?
I actually have used the geometric process of dividing the paper and making diagonals between points but did not know was related to the Fibonacci Sequence. It has improved my compositions too. Thank you, I learned something and you are a joy to watch.
Thank you so much! I appreciate the encouragement to remain my usual, slightly goofy self 🤩
Your enthusiasm is so refreshing because it's not about your beautiful art it's about math!!!! Love it! ❤❤❤
Ooh what a lovely comment. THANK YOU🥰
What a great teacher you are! Thank you! I’m so glad I discovered your channel today.
Aww thanks so much 🥰🙏
YES! it was incredible watching you change the lemon. Like you, I go to bed unhappy with what I've painted...now I know why! Bless you.
Oh I loved this 😊. Thank you 🙏
The creation of art is so closely tied to science. The Lord uses creation and creating to really bring us joy and feed our souls in so many ways.
What amazes me is how our brains may work in totally different realms, but we are still drawn, almost compulsively to create. Even if we do it in different media or different worlds altogether.
I am one half of a set of "Mirror Image Twins." My identical twin sister taught advanced math, physics & chemistry even before she had earned her degrees in them. Incredibly, she just "knew" them instinctively. It lead her to being an exceptional quilt artist. When she "sees" something beautiful she wants to create, she sees the mathematical patterns that make it beautiful and the equations at the same time, and they make sense to her.
I have learned that as "artists," even if we aren't aware of it, we are sensing the patterns and using them.
In spite of our "lack" of mathematical abilities, the gift of visualization is there. Even though our abilities of explaining or comprehending them isn't as concrete, you have obviously been blessed with the ability to show it to the world in the beauty you create.
Oh thank you for this lovely comment. I do understand and agree with your thoughts. I love the idea of “sensing the patterns”. I think that is a valid point.
So right on!
THANK YOU !!!! This is the first time it makes sense and doesn’t cause me anxiety ❤
You’re so welcome!!! I’m so glad 🥰. I just uploaded a new video showing how this works with an easier method and with a demo. Hope you like it!
wow , tension and duality , harmony and tug of discontent..thank you for naming the feelings , and tool to create! wow.
Sending you big smiles from this tiny little studio on this tiny little Greek island! What a lovely comment. 🥰
I so love your energy. Keep going, you're helping so many of us be better artists (and people too!)
What a beautiful thing to say! Thank you! 😊
It's amazing! One tiny change, and the entire painting just Pops! Wow!
Right?! Such a small change but what a difference!
Thank you so much for sharing this! I am a visual person and seeing is the easiest way for me to learn. My brain does not do well with math and numbers so this was great. I’m so excited I wanted to thank you right away and also say that your lovely painting was improved so very much by that little change it illustrated your point perfectly. Also your so right about the balance in everything, sometimes I need a reminder so thank you for that as well!
Oh I loved this!!! Thank you so much for taking the time to connect with me. I’m so glad this helped. It sure does work for me.
Love the change of focal point, wow really made a difference to the whole composition! Thank you so much
You're so welcome!
Good hack.
Perhaps draw the two main diagonals first? - that'll give an accurate position for the halfway line.
Great tip! I am cracking up over here on this tiny Greek island for not thinking of this all this time!!! LOL!!! Oh dear, this is proof that I am not a logical, math type person. I’ll be giggling about this all day… thanks soooo much for making my life easier! And not only my life, but my student’s life as well!
Brilliant! TY ♥️👍🏽
That is such a great tip! It is definitely a good trick to have in your toolbox.❤
Year after year I procrastinate creating the 6-foot wide painting for my daughter's living room, all because I am stuck on the golden ratio.
With your magic Fibonacci .618 multiplying both Width halves into subservience, then extending those little suckers into smaller and smaller boxes ... I finally have arrived.
You are both a great teacher and a charming, sweet person. Ζωή .. Vida .. חיה .. anyway you say it, underneath the gentle façade I detect a deep intellectual and candid fire nourishing the hungry flames of your creativity.
Now I will Subscribe to your channel and watch your other gems.
I thank you deeply for your comment. There is even an easier way to find the golden ratio using the rule of thirds. Watch this video and let me know what you think. It is so easy and will work for your 6 foot wall mural. Here’s the link: th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=ZDen9q4uEboraGM6
First time am watching a video from your channel while i was preparing a painting. Am a watercolorist and use the golden ratio to put some maskingfluid on certain places and then make an intuitive painting. After your video I started messuring the way you expained and had to giggle because had put my highlights almost on the right spots. Had been looking for an easy way to do it, recognize the struggle with math. And it does make a painting better, since am using this am very pleased with the results. So thank you! And you look just like a friend of mine, very weird..i like your hair btw.
Well thank you so much! So glad this little hack is working for you. I find it easy to use and can quickly adjust my composition and design. I put my main focal area on this Golden Mean and then also use Anatomy of a Rectangle to place other important areas of the painting. Not in all of them, of course, and I don't worry too much about it. There is always that visual "knowing" that doesn't need a ruler and pencil, or any mathematical equation to find. Happy Painting!
Thank you so much for sharing this incredible information!😅
And yes, your picture really “popped” once the Fibonacci point was applied!💓🙌🏻⭐️⭐️⭐️
Thanks soooo much! Big smiles over here on this little Greek island :)
I love how excited you were throughout this whole video! Thank you for the tips 🤗
Hey thanks so much! I have such a great time with discoveries like this because they don’t happen very often. There is no one way to make a great composition, but this tool can be a great help in your designing process of your composition. And if you aren’t a painter, remember that this also applies to anything creative (and, in my book, everything is an act of creativity).
oh you are so adorable and smart and humble and talented and passionate. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!
Oh you are so sweet! Thank you for your kind kind words 🥰🥰🥰
Vida I love your spirit! I teach beginner watercolor and try not to overwhelm with too much technical info regarding composition. This makes it much more attainable!
Thanks so much for commenting! I fully understand. For my beginners I usually go with the classic rule of thirds. You can also check out the updated golden ratio video for an even easier way to do this using the rule of thirds. SUPER EASY for beginners. Have a beautiful day!
What a,delightful video, of your lightbulb moment! Thankyou from zambia!!!
You’re so welcome!
Thanks, will be trying this for sure! Merry Christmas & All the best for the New Year Vida love your joy and enthusiasm ...
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you riverlandart! Let me know how it works for you.
Wonderful info, love your enthusiasm, and heart felt teaching !! Thank you, Judith R. Legg
Thanks so much!
Thank you!!! Applying it right now!
Let me know how it works!
Amazing how adding the little squiggle to the lemon made your painting pop! Thanks for the explanation. I like it … and your painting😍.
Thank you for your wonderful comment! Have a beautiful day 😊
Wow! The difference is amazing! Beautiful!!
Isn’t it cool? Such a slight difference in placement, but it really makes a difference.
nice to see how your channel is growing..way to go…happy new year
YOU are behind anything I do in this painting world. My gratitude never fades. You brought the elements of creating art to such a deeper level in me, and this is what I teach to the best of my ability. You are always there in the foundations of my mind as I ask my students to find their own problem areas in their paintings. I use pink dots too 🥰
Can you use this or something similar for square canvases? Or do we just use the rule of thirds.
You can do the same for square canvases. It works beautifully. However, I discovered an easier way to do this Fibonacci Golden Ratio thing using the rule of thirds. It's in this video: th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=8SjJdrXZ-9XYQ85k
I consider myself to be creative/artistic. I also paint. I have always always struggled with math. And yet I understand that ‘math’, is INHERENTLY IMPORTANT in the ‘creative process’. How? I ‘know’ this because despite having written off my mathematic abilities (inabilities 🙄) ages ago, I am CONTINUALLY BEING SHOWN that it is ‘THERE’ right at the surface + it’s NOT GOING TO BE GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON… okay… EVER! Thank you for opening a ‘small crack of light’ for me - in this area of ‘composition’ around the Fibonacci Sequence etc. I feel that, that which has been ‘dark’, for a long time, is coming into the light! Whew! TY
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I completely understand you and may this new light shine down beautifully on you, opening up new doors and windows for you to grow and expand in your artistic realm. Sending you much love today.
You are so funny and real. This video made my day and made my whole weekend. I just sent the link to my husband who is on a hunting trip - that's how much identify with you!! You have a new subscriber right here! Thank you for sharing !
What a wonderful comment! Thank you sooooooo much!!!
Loved how excited you got over finding this. I SO get it. Going from images to numbers? Really difficult to do. Most folks live predominantly in one side of their brain. We can switch and focus on numbers or alphabet but oh man trying to do both at the same time.... not easy
AGREED!!! Thanks so much!
That is cool! Now I just have to figure out applying it! Awesome!
Do yourself a favor and check out the updated video that is SUPER EASY a 3 year old can do it. Here’s the link:
th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=SFVDIjYhMYRQZJBO
You may not be an arithmetician, but you are an experimental geometer, on your small, Greek island. Euclid would be proud! Also, nice painting! 😊
Thank you! What a wonderful comment!
WOW! PRETTY DAM COOL
Thanks VEA for this awesome lesson!
This rule is also about the "rule of thirds"!
I don't understand why in my intellect, but I can see
this and feel that, it has great significance in my visual experience!
So here I have a lot to immerse myself in :)
Glad it was helpful! And yes, I do not use this to get exact numbers and placements, but that beautiful realm of close enough. The context is composition in art, and so what looks and feels right, along with this simple trick (for us non linear types) works BEAUTIFULLY for me. Hope it's helpful for others too.
The big jar just about disappeared in my focus!!, the picture feels good to look at now with the focus is the lemon end, how awesome of a discovery, thank you so much for bringing this out. It will be very cool to see you do that in future paintings so that we can all learn better how to do it. The picture did look boring until you did that and I did not even notice that or think that until you changed it to that spot! Thank you thank you
Oh I loved this…. Thank you so much. And YES my next video will be me using this for my next painting. I will make a point of bringing this out again and again if it will be of help. I so appreciate you, and others here, who have suggested this. Thank you 🥰
Thanks, I'm going to try this. Great video.
Hope you enjoy!
This is absolutely incredible!! Thank you thank you for sharing this ❤️
You're so welcome!
Thank you. I honestly think it’s better! What a great find!
Yes! It’s not the perfect Fibonacci sequence spot, but definitely close enough and perfect for an exciting focal area (depending on the purpose of the painting, of course).
Helpful indeed! Glad I found this station!
Hello there! I'm happy to have you here and I hope I can be useful to you. Let me know if you have any questions, or have anything you'd like to see in my upcoming videos. I appreciate your kind comment. Have a great day today!
Thank you very much for this video, very instructive and brings peace to watch. Just subscribed to your channel for more! Thank you for sharing it, best regards
Hey good morning from this tiny Greek island! Thank you for subscribing and for your wonderful comment! Please let me know what you would like to see. I’ve got a list of videos to create and I’m happy to answer any questions you may have. Have a great day today!
@@vidaevensonart thank you for your reply. Yes, I started a few month ago getting some gear for painting. I did few scketches and drawings and when I saw your video really comes together many ideas I have. Am a musician and I always had the passion for paintings . The start for me is to do and create structure on the painting that connects with the viewer and inspire what I was thinking when I paint. Then colours is what I do not know much so, it will be useful if you recommend one of your videos. Your paintings are realy telling a story and that is what I am aiming to. From London thank you
I have saved your comment and will make a video for you on color tomorrow. I have some older videos on my Mediterranean palette but it does not answer your question. I support using a limited palette. In my 3 month course and private mentoring we use a primary limited palette plus burnt sienna then move into a classic limited palette. I’ll get more into this in the upcoming video which should be ready by Friday. Thanks for inspiring me for this next quick tip video!
@@vidaevensonart Thank you very much for inspiring me and many others on your channel! I will check out your Mediterranean video and your page for mentoring. I have not been in any class yet so it will be ideal for me to do it so. Very much appreciated, I look forward for your video you just described. Happy paintings!!!
I learned this many years ago as a drafted, but forgot how to do it. This is wonderful. Thank you.
You are so welcome! Know that my inspiration is only approximate, but it's close enough and visually exciting in your painting. Hope you try it, and let me know how it goes for you.
@@vidaevensonartI love how you changed that point in your painting, but the rule of thirds spots work in the same way don’t they? Easy to understand and see for me. Do you think the other round things on the right of the main vase are essential? Just a thought, as they are similar size to what is on the left. Cheers and thanks for your interesting thought provoking video. ❤
Probably not necessary for the composition, but I do like the counter balance role they play. The orange is larger, but the shapes are similar. My purpose for them is to play subtle directional roles. When I get back to this painting I will consider your question and see what comes up.
Thank you! This is brilliant and so easy!
Glad it was helpful!
It's another great way to balance out your art piece. Thank you
You’re welcome! Have a beautiful day!
What a delightful video! Light bulb moment! Xxx thankyou from zambia!
You’re welcome!
Wow, this is mind blowing! Thank you for sharing ❤
You are so welcome!
It's much better! Thank you for this lovely lesson!
You're very welcome!
Hon , you're a genius !
So fortunate that I found your youtube video .
Love your, demeanor . I'll follow you on The Tube .
I must try this sometime .
Oh , love your hair - quite a focal point you have there .
Hey thanks so much! Far from genius, but I'll take the compliment (big smiles)! There is an even easier way to find the Fibonacci spot using the rule of thirds. Very close to where the lines cross. I did an updated video on it here: th-cam.com/video/VQLQS4q2Fuk/w-d-xo.htmlsi=g4Xyktrm91xDPjbI
It's even easier than this video!
That was a perfect find for me, thank you. I had been watching lots of videos and to be honest, I was struggling with the maths of most videos. But, yours was just what I was looking for. It is perfect for my arty vision of furniture design and DIY. You are a genius, and a great teacher. You solved my scaling issues for all 2 dimensional surfaces. I love you for that XX ❣💕👍
Ohhhhh I am happy dancing to your most gracious comment! Thank you so very much! Big smiles from this tiny Greek island to wherever you are 🤩
@@vidaevensonart Brilliant! Have a wonderful day from me in Eastbourne, UK. ❤👍
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It is so awesome when your brain does somrthing wonderful. You are an awesome lady to share with the rest of us. I have been trying for years to figure out how to make this easier. thank you sooooo much. Big hug!
Thank you so much! BIG FAT GREEK HUGS coming right back to you!!! And yes it is awesome when you get a decent “download”. We’ll see when/if I get another one, but I’ll share it if I do. Have a beautiful day, my friend.
Oh!! Wonderful. I work with thirds mostly because math has never been my strongest skill. I’m going to try this out TODAY!
I love the way you combine painting and creating with your daily life.
I subscribed to your channel. You’re truly inspirational! It comes at the right time. Thank you 🙏
WELCOME WELCOME WELCOME!!!! My dear Elisabeth I deeply appreciate having you here. May I be a helpful guide for wherever you need go in your creative journey 🥰.
How Exciting!!!
Encouraging. Thank you.
You are so welcome!
Thank you very much , that was very interesting 😊
Thank you for watching and for taking the time to comment 😊
Lovely! So wonderful to occasionally feel our brilliance ❤
It really is!
It was a pleasure watching your video, thank you :)
Glad you enjoyed it!
That was fun and SO helpful! thank you!
Yay!!! That makes me happy! 🤩
Thank you so much,I love your painting. ❤
Thank you so much 😀
Thank you… This is what I’ve been wanting to try! Thanks for simplifying it!! QUESTION: Is it the same process whether your painting is going to be Portrait or Landscape? ???? I made a tracing paper template for a 12 x 9 using your rectangle method. IF I want to paint it 8 x 12 .. is it the same points? Thanks
Thanks for your comment and taking the time to ask this question. Yes this works on both landscape and portrait. No problem there, but you will need to draw out the lines for different sized canvases. They won’t be in the right spot otherwise.
Ok, best art video I have seen in awhile, love your exuberance!
Well that's encouraging indeed! Thanks so much @JessHooper! Wishing you a fabulous weekend!
It’s so nice to see the sparkle in your eyes reflect the movements in your brain… like an LED to a hard drive 😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 loved this!!!
Thanks for sharing, appreciate your joyful discovery and support for mathslexics like me!! 🥰
You're so welcome! I love the word “mathlexics” 🤩
@@vidaevensonart 😂
Soooo helpful, it made my day too. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. All the best.
Glad it helped!
Thanks so much Iam going to use this today
You are so welcome! Go check my new video on applying it to a painting with an even easier way of finding this balanced imbalance focal area. Let me know what you discover…🤩
Thank you for sharing this.
My pleasure! Have a beautiful day!
WONDERFUL!!!❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ i love the rectangle, Thank you
❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️ You are so welcome!!!
I do think you change to the painting made the composition look a little better.
On your anatomy of a rectangle method, the red dots look a little closer to the right or left edges than the golden ratio spots you drew. I wonder, is that just a result of hand-drawn approximation or a feature (or am I just seeing it wrong)?
WONDEROUS, I am VERY geometrically & Math challenged too! Thanks so much
You are so welcome!
Great video Vida. How would you go about using your system on a square canvas? 🤫
Thanks so much! Before doing the video I checked to see if it works on a square panel. It works just fine 😁. Divide the square diagonally to find the center and draw down the center line. Then divide each side as shown in the video. Let me know how it goes for you and good luck!
Do you only use one of the four red dots created in your anatomy of a rectangle? For example, when you chose to re-locate the lemon on the left lower red dot. Do you use the other three red dots for any of your other items you are including in your painting? Or do you locate all the other items based on the focal lemon? Thanks!
Great question! So it depends on the painting. Usually, I will choose one of the red dots for the main focal area and then use the crosshairs in the Anatomy of a Rectangle for other semi-important areas. If you used the other Golden Mean spots (red spots) then the painting would be too balanced and lose impact. My motto is to create a balanced imbalance in the composition of your painting. And much of my design and composition relies on what feels right to me for that particular scene. In this still life painting I used in this video, if I used the red spots then I would have created a visual rectangle within the rectangle of the canvas. WAY too much balance, and too much balance is boring. It's not that you can't have things in those areas, but they need to be the extras used to support the main areas. Hope I'm making sense for you. Let me know, OK?
Thank you so much!
Anytime!
I think the other -points can be used in a triangle formation to lead the viewer around the picture. I have noticed the landscape masters used this 3 points of interest in their works. Very interesting. So much so that I can’t stop gridding every painting I see to learn how to apply composition with this method.
Great trick 😊thank you for this helpful video❤🎉😊
My pleasure 😊
The guy who started the tiny home craze Jay Schaefer, used the golden ration to build his first tiny home.
They also talk about it in the book The Davinci Code concerning its use in the human body.
Cool! I didn’t know that!
So great!
I needed this!
Very generous of you!!!
You are so welcome!
Looks fantastic, most of the time I don’t use the golden rule ( that is how it is called in Dutch ) I just paint the composition on and afterward I measure the composition, most of the time not far off😅 but on a bad day those calculations come in handy 👌 thank u for this explanation and it will help a lot of painters ❤️✨❤️
Thanks so much! I recently did a part 2 version of this Golden Ratio and tried it in a painting while using a Super easy method to generally find this lovely spot. It works!!!
@@vidaevensonart Great I’m watching that video also 👌✨
@@Artstudiovaneijklet me know what you think and if I can clear anything up.
Love your whole style and whole present ❤
Oh I love this! Thank you so much 😊.
Thankyou, you taught me so much. Wow, I never knew that.
You are so welcome! Happy to share anything that might help us in the creative process! Keep your brushes loaded with paint and your heart happy. Have a lovely day today.
I enjoyed this very much. Thank you for reminding me of the beauty of the golden ratio.
You are more than welcome. Have a great day!
Question, so basically you have four spots on the canvas that are ideal. Do you use all four or just pick one? what is best?
Someone else had this same question. Just use one Gilden Ratio for your main focal area and then use the other areas of the anatomy of a rectangle for your other points of interest. Especially if you are beginning this journey, or are an intermediate artist, in my humble opinion. When you get that strong foundation built, and the cement has cured, then you can begin to build up your creative home in any way that suits you. But first build a strong foundation.
I just now came across your channel and this video. Im soooo new and lost in all this info. Would it be possible to start a video from scratch with an image, paint it and fin please? I will now start watching your videos, you might have already done it, so please excuse me if you did already. Love your video and beautiful energy!❤
Thank you so much for your comment. If you are brand new to painting I would suggest that you leave all this Fibonacci golden ratio stuff for later. Find an image, like a lemon, keep it simple and first learn how to paint form. Get a yellow, red and blue and a titanium white. That’s all you need to get started. Keep it simple. I have a video on using items from your home for canvases. Cardboard works great for learning if you don’t want to spend money on canvases. Don’t worry about anything else. And rule #1…. Have FUN 🤩
Yay! So dang cool. A GIFT of the goddesses!!
Truly!!!
Been looking at various graph of designs myself, interesting isn’t it
It sure is!
Amazing! Love it!!🎉❤
Thank you!
Thank you. Useful
You’re welcome! I did an updated video on using the rule of thirds to find the Golden Ratio sweet spot. It’s the same title with UPDATED in the front: UPDATED Easy Golden Ratio HACK if you’re interested. I appreciate your comment. Thanks for stopping by!
I think the exercise with the diagonals (at 9:25) is giving you THIRDS (if you connect the top two red dots and bottom two red dots with horizontal lines), but not info about the Fibonacci Sequence. (To get lines on the vertical thirds, do a similar exercise with two more "X" marks for the top and bottom halves of the rectangle, and connect the left two dots and right two dots with vertical lines). The red dots come close to touching part of the Fibonacci curve, but are not very close to hitting it's center points.
(I enjoyed your passion for painting in this video, so I liked and subscribed.)
Hey thanks for your thoughts. I have learned so much through this discourse with you and others here. I will not pretend to understand the entirety of the Fibonacci sequence. I struggle with defining the difference between it and the golden ratio. But for my purposes of finding the best spots in my painting for focal areas, this hack works well enough. I mentioned to another how I’d love to sit with them, paper and pencil in hand, and have them teach me more about the Fibonacci sequence and how to do the math etc. A fabulous landscape artist named Jim Wodark uses this sequence in a way that, geometrically, creates the golden mean. To me it’s all very confusing BUT somehow this hack made sense. It is a visual way of quickly creating an exciting focal area by ever so slightly creating enough imbalance on the canvas to make for a more exciting composition. I’m putting together another video on using thirds to find the sweet spot and again with no math. Thanks so much for following me. I love a good conversation.
Also I recently uploaded a new video on this topic and testing if the distance of using the thirds or the golden ratio. Indeed it is all in the same area, but visually more pleasing than the thirds spot. Your comment here inspired me to test it out 😊
That’s awesome 🎉 thank you 🙏🏻
Your welcome!
I learned something new with you!
Oh wonderful! Hope it’s helpful 🤩
Priceless wisdom ...photographer here ... thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Wow, it bought it 'alive' in my perception ✨️
That is good to hear. In my quirky way I explain what I understand. It’s nice to know you understood me 🥰🥰🥰