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- We got together 6 of the heaviest hitters in the LRF Binocular Game, and put them up against one another! Who will be the new king?
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
00:10 Disclaimer
01:13 Who's here
01:30 What are we covering
04:30 Vortex Fury HD 5000
06:03 Sig 10k
08:21 Revic LR10b
10:18 Vectronics Vector X
12:36 Leica Geovid Pro
14:45 Swarovski EL Range
17:01 Spider charts
17:08 6 Optic comparisons
17:15 Who is each one for?
18:18 Outro
Note
The hardest part of this video was taking images through the binos. Getting focus, eye relief, full field of view, etc, with cameras, is almost impossible. Also, the ways cameras and our eyes see and process are very different. The image you see here is the result of tons of trial and error, and then hand processing images to make them as indicative of the actual picture as possible. In every image there is certainly something that we could go back and nitpick, or something that isn’t as representative as it possibly could be, so understand that there is no replacement for trying to find a unit and look through it with your own eyes.
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This is a great break down on all of the market offerings for range finding binos.
Another great video guys - cool application of the spider charts to see things at a glance in a unique way and solid job on the eyepiece recordings 👍 keep it up
Excellent, simple and direct. Thank you
Outstanding video men! Much appreciated.
This was a valuable review guys, thank you for putting this together
Great video and very helpful on how these units perform and differ from one another - thank you!
I have the sig kilo 6k. Much better in the tint than the 10k (more of a grey than a blue), great performance, and probably the best value for entry level LRBs. I don’t hear much about them, but they hit the distances they claim and the Bluetooth pairing with a kestrel really makes them shine.
Thanks for putting this together, super helpful
Thanks for the great comparison. Exactly what I was looking for a long time.
Thank you for the work you put into this. This was a very good video.
Very thorough review, definitely enjoyed it. That will help in my decision-making process.
Great vid team!
Phenomenal review!
Good info. Now let’s see ranging abilities in different conditions at longer distances.
Hope the vectronics glass is as good as it appears
I use the Vector 21's at work, not expecting that quality glass on a consumer grade LRF but i'm hoping it's good
Thank you! Awesome review
Great info, thank you very much
Within 2 minutes I subscribed. Great work.
Its the information and the user friendliness and the kestral connectivity that made my decision for me.. i was 10 sec away from the el range from swarovski till i heard about the vector x.. !
Great Video
Thanks Craig, Great breakdown and buyers guide brief to the meat of what’s on the market. I personally am a huge fan of the innovation behind the Vector X’s and what they offer. Especially if you fly to matches, they can reduce your needed kit significantly. My pre order has been placed. Lol
Good comparison.
Thanks for taking the time to this review. I've had a pair of Sig 10k's for about 3 yrs. I use them mainly for hunting, especially prairie dog hunting. They have been serviceable for me, but not impressive. In low light they are disappointing. This review was very timely as I am now shopping for something better. You showed me a couple of models I didn't know existed. Thanks for your time and help.
This was an excellent comparison between these units! The only aspects I'd love to see a follow up on is their ranging accuracy and ability, coupled with whether they connect or integrate with weather stations like Kestrel. Any Mobile (Smartphone) features would also be interesting.
Interesting review. Just to point out - Leica Geovid Pro also has the Tracking feature.
Great video and review.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Great video.. hoping for more on all
Great video! - would love to see a more detailed comparison of the top players (Vector X, Leica, Revics), and how their interfaces work. Curious on how the glass is on the Vector X compared to the Leicas?
Great video. I'd love to try the Vector X, but the notoriously atrocious customer service will keep me away until they make a big change there.
I’m as confused after watching as I was prior…but I have more data to be confused about haha…thanks for doing this 419.
Freaking A! Strong 💪🏽 video! The only thing lacking was the warranty info for every manufacturer. Vortex is hard to beat on that (and I don’t even have one)
I appreciate the breakdown. How does the accuracy of the laser compare? For instance ranging a 6 inch steel target at various distances.
I just picked up the fury hd 5000 for 850$ from bass pro last week. sat out til dark the other night and glass was better than I expected and I could range a pile of rocks at 2700+. but I'm not a guide on the arizona strip or shooting elr matches every other weekend either. It's primarily for rifle hunting yearround, and i dont need AB with quick drop and wind brackets. What is nice about vortex is the customer service and warranty. Yes everyone makes jokes but it is handy with rangefinders/RF binos as eventually the electronics will fail and you are at the mercy of these companies customer service teams. When I was debating comparable products like the leica geovid rs at 1399, they have some bad stories about qc and customer service. If you are used to trophy hunting all day looking through nl pures or an 85 mm btx these probably aren't for you. but anyone who is a recreational hunter who wants to try out the rf bino market i think you will be fine with the fury 5000 hds. lots of happy customers on various product reviews too. used EL ranges would probably be the next best option in terms of value for a hunter
Would be interesting to see the GEN2 kilo 10k added into this comparison.
Had they sent us a set a couple weeks ago, they would be in here! Though we have no plans to go back and redo this.
No mention of range capabilities, ranging precision, beam divergence. Seems pretty relevant when comparing range finders. But the x-factor haha.. Guess you get what you get, when a machine shop does optic reviews. Still happy with the glass comparison though 👍
Can’t wait to watch yours!
One of the biggest things that these reviews leave out is warranty, especially with anything electronic. If these companies are gonna charge $2-4k then wareanty needs to be discussed. Revic only has a 2 yr. Warranty......are you F'ing kidding me? Sig is only 5 yr. from date of Mfg. And they are the only ones that have that date. Then you have Swaro & Vector X 3 year on electronics.....$3-4k for 3 year warranty. Leica atleast does 10 yr. Which I believe is fair. Quite frankly if you can't gurantee me more than 3 yrs on your premium product then thats pretty dang sorry and worthless, i dont care how cool the tech is or its "X" factor.
Craig, any comments on the accuracy of their ballistic info in each bino? I am a Strelok fan and found the Sig app in the hand held rangefinder to be off at 450 yards, same with a couple other ballistic apps I have tried. Others using all this tech don’t seem to have issues, perhaps it’s me and the info I input. Call me curious.
Great video.
Part 2 if you did one would be cool if you did a side by side of each binos tech with Nathan shooting and making impacts
We like this idea, but I'll tell you that setting up and shooting video through binoculars is not a straightforward task. If it were, we would, but it's not.
Leica also has the pro track and theirs will work without cell coverage unlike the swaro that drops the map once cell coverage is lost. You do have to down load the map for the area you’re hunting if hunting out of cell service but you still maintain full topo maps. I simply highlight the area I’m going to hunt and it downloads to my phone simple.
Swaro doesn't need the cell coverage, it can track even without cell phone just at binocular display.
@@seeunseen303 the Leica can do so without cell service and without having to look through your binoculars. You can still use a map and a plotted point and walk straight to it. Swaro will catch up eventually.
Great. Now do the laser test .....distance. accuracy. And how well does it do in adverse conditions i.e. rain fog smoke ect.
Just watched this during my lunch break. I'm not sure if you have a different price perspective, but it is my understanding the Swarovski EL Range TA 10x42 is $3999, not $3499 (10x32 are $3499).
As an EL Range TA 42 owner, I can confirm your assessment is pretty spot on. However, I can attest that at least with centerfire, the Swaro in-house ballistic calculator with the onboard environmental sensors has been dead on accurate for elevation drop out in NRL Hunter matches.
I will say I'm probably going to shell out for the Vector X to try out. If I like the glass and I feel it is not detrimental for my eyes, I will likely switch out from the EL Range (as I already have NL Pure for non ranging use).
For the Sig, Vortex and Swaro we did a quick online shopping loop and found the best price from a “major” retailer. Vortex because their MSRP is irrelevant, Sig because they have these units broadly selling at reduced price. The Swaro w TA is also being sold right now for $3,500 on Midway.
The other three are new enough the prices seem to kind of be what they are.
And with the Swaro solver, we didn’t expect anything but accuracy. AB Elite is definitely a tested, proven, and well known name brand, though there are a lot of options that produce great results.
We think you’ll like the Vectors, but if you don’t, let us know!
The Leica and Swarovski both have map integration to help with game recovery, does the Vectronics interface with any mapping?
It's a shame you didn't include the NEW SIG KILO 10K. SUCH A SHAME
Well, they released it after we made and released this video, and the only information had before filming was that it may or may not be coming soon. We would have LOVED to include it.
@area419 yeah but I know it's out now. Barbercreek shooting school already did an evaluation of the new sig 10k. Much improved but thanks for reply
I'll take the tech with the upgraded sig glass for all round use for a hunting binoculars.
I have a expensive terrapin paperweight.Vectronix wanted $1200 just to look at it and this was back ten years ago.At the time one the best you could get for price.
I loved this review, it was very thorough. I have used many of these products and would agree with everything said. I have not used the new Vector X since it is not even available yet but it definitely looks like a winner. Sig has released their new Gen2 Kilo 10 which has significantly improved on the glass and made some other cool upgrades which addresses some of the concerns with the original 10K's. I would love to see an update that includes the newer version of the 10K because I think the tech side of the 10K is the closest thing to what is described on the Vector X range finder. Sig has also added dedicated wind buttons that will make entering wind data much easier. The price point on the new 10K's is closer to the the Vector X price point so that is also a change the overall score.
Sig knew this video was being done, and then dropped their Gen 2 just days after this video was released. We would have LOVED to have included it. Revic reached out and made sure we had their new item, wish Sig would have done the same. VERY thin odds on this being updated or redone.
7:04 sig glass side by side, definitely blue, but you can actually distinguish more vegetation than the clear glass.
We still need a laser finding binos with self stabilizing gyros built in
What about its performance in very cold temperatures below 0 degrees Fahrenheit? I've had problems with other range finders in very cold temps.
Great video! Kinda shocked how highly you guys rated the fury glass, i have a pair and ran them in a few prs matches for spotting and found the clairty wasnt there and it was hard to see where someone was hitting past 700ish. I do normally run Meoptas 15x's though so im kinda a glass snob.
Definitely excited for the vectronix, i guess a question i had but didnt get covered was how much the range enhancers effect glass quality, also is the glass in say the 10x on par with the 12x? My mind goes to the NF ATACR where most feel the 7-35 has better glass than the 5-25...
10X is always going to feel limited in that setting. We like the Vortex for the money, though it’s certainly quite a bit behind the higher rated products at range.
300 and in? The gap shrinks.
Oh, and on the range enhancers - we show a side by side in the Vector X video. Adding the enhancers results in some loss of quality, simply because you’re looking through more layers of glass. That said, the jump from 10x to 14x with them covers many of the gripes. A native 14x unit would be higher quality than a 10x enhanced to 14x, but it’s a versatility game. We like them because we think in a world of compromises, they made the right ones and refused the wrong ones.
Fair enough. On the fury point I was more commenting on glass, I could make do with 10x good glass binos. My buddy has 10x Swaro NL pures and even though you don't have the magnification, the glass is so strong they're good for PRS spotting imo.. not trying to bury the furys but i just think the glass is extremely lacking.
On the Vectronix, nice so the 12x will probably be my choice then. A native 12x should be decent to spot with if it has good glass, but 17x with enhancers will be pretty cool to try or at least have for 1000+ yards. @@area419
Warranty should be a factor aswell
Would be great if you tested the effectiveness of the LRF's
Well, it looks like for the price, there's nothing wrong with the Vortex!
Absolutely not!
One glaring hole in this is the lack of ranging. How accurate are they? What is their actual ranging ability compared to the advertised range? If the Fury HD 5000 say they can range out to 5,000 yards, can they? Or do they drop off at 2,000 yards? I'd like to see this for all of them. Are the advertised limits accurate and who's yankin' our meat?
They're not interested in doing a scientific test, it requires a substantial investment in testing equipment, and time to make it objective. A retailer will just give you easy to make subjective, ok cool ranges good type videos like this.
Not really sure how you can title ultimate test without actually testing the NUMBER ONE PURPOSE of these binos, which is to range, lmao.
When is that new ball head being released?
What new ball head? 🤫
Thank you for the review! These are expensive and tough decisions. What about the ballistic solvers? AB elite is well known from the kestrel. AB ultralight, like I am using in the sig kilo6k, lacks spin drift, coriolis, and vertical deflection of cross wind. I also can't find a way to put in a zero offset. So, the harder the wind blows and the further the shot, the more error in those solutions. Perhaps some can be trued out with drop/velocity tuning. But, for sporty NRL hunter stages, like prairie dogs at 450 yards, this error is a challenge. Does the Revic or swaro correct for these? Also, what about bluetooth connections? The fury is known to suck batteries dry when using with a garmin watch. Sig has a history of glitchy bluetooth connection. It's nice the software is inside so one doesn't always need a connection, but for most binos, I assume some settings and updates need done with bluetooth to an app. One more thing- what about laser performance in less than ideal conditions- fog, smoke, dust? Sig has a best/first/last/fog and extended range setting.
Base wind method does a full value wind with eovtos, but without advanced corrections. When you enter a vector wind (on device) then it turns on advanced: Corriolis, Spin Drift, Aero Jump, Headwind, etc. Revic (with G7 BR2 heritage) has very nice target discrimination routines and adverse conditions functionality.
If you are in the market shopping, definitely look at your warranties, they may be great glass but the most expensive only give 2-3 yr warranties on the elecronics because they know they are using cheap, shit boards in these. Vortex may be avg glass but they also know the boards are cheap and will fail, that Lifetime warranty is worth A LOT!
Geovid Pro's is covered for unintentional/accidental damage for 10 years. The computations it uses to work in snow, etc., happens automatically in the background. There is no “snow mode”.
I would really like to see how good each can range small targets at distance. An antelope at distance on flat ground can be hard to pick up at say 800 yards. How precise and finite can the lasers be on small targets without a backdrop.
Update with the new kilo gen2 plz!
Missed the tracking feature on the Leica - better than the Swaro in this area
yep gen 2 kilo is out and blue coating has been upgrade (no blue hue)...
Out of all of these laser range finding binos, does any of these show the reticle or information in the left barrel? 🤔
I believe they were all right side. The old Swaro units were half/half but I don’t think that’s the case any more
Why no ZEISS RF?
Ummm cool but did you actually test the rangefinding capability of the rangefinders?
I think you short changed the Revic on the tech side. I own the Leicas, and have used the Swarovski, and Sig LRF binoculars. I then bought the Revic brl10b and it blows every one of them out of the water. And in my opinion you should throw out the x-factor portion because that is purely subjective. It doesn’t add value to the test.
Well-Said
X factor or….buy this new product, preferable from us.
@@kaufmann85 ,
If you are responding to me, I do not sell any optics…
They went in to nothing about ballistic solvers, environmental conditions, etc. And where did they get the price from for the Swarovski', street price? And these are rangefinders, and they didn't test range lol.
Do you think the glass in the Revic is better than the Leicas?
One thing in my opinion that is crucial to the binoculars is their ability to provide an accurate And quick shooting solution for the user. Applied ballistics is a program that the military uses. These other proprietary ballistic solvers aren’t near as proven besides the 4dof. The overall objective of them is to aid the shooter in hitting the intended target. You cannot argue that AB is the king of the hill. Each units ability to aid in an accurate solution should be scored. It would be tough to do because the gun and shooters ability also come into play. I just feel some points should be awarded for it somehow.
All but one of these are using AB, and the non-AB solution was noted. Diving deep-deep into that would have been a lot of squeeze for a pretty small amount of possible juice.
@@area419isn’t Vortex geo and swaro their own so that’s atleast 2?
You hit on the fact that the Swaro's have the "Tracking Assist" yet you totally omitted the fact the Leica Geovid Pro has a similar feature. I know since i've used it numerous times upon downing a game animal. Shame on you Area 419! Also, the bluetooth distance is a solid 10 meters when keeping connected to my Kestrel 5700 Elite.
Sig introduced a Gen 2 version with supposedly better optics and no Smurf vision.
Can you make some screenshots from VectorX with and without zoom enhancers?? This maybe show us how good the glass realy is..
This exact side-by-side is in the Vector X review that we posted earlier this week.
Remember though, trying to really parse glass quality through a camera is all but impossible.
It would have been good if you had given the max distance they can range to. Otherwise good video
Only come in mrad?
The etched reticle in the Vector is MRAD only, though I believe all units can display MOA solutions in their projected data.
Y'all did this video like 3 weeks too early. Update the comparison with the Sig 10k Gen2
Leica..
A next gen of the Sig 10k coming. hmmm, well that is how product releases generally go. I mean unless a manu decides to exit the market then you can count on updated products over time. So, yeah this comment in the video falls under -- Well-Duh
They released it in a video yesterday, actually. So a little more than a wild guess about a future possibility.
The swaro is slightly better than using a tape measure
INFORMATION OVERLOAD… Needed a chart at end with subject on top, glass, weight, etc… BINOS ON left, and rating 1-6 … 😮
My wallet will bleed 🩸
What shootout? The only thing I've seen in this video is opinions. The short snippets of video or even the 'X Factor' as you call it are not explained and you can't see them unless you pause the video.
And then you go in to almost nothing about ballistic solvers, accuracy, range, environmental conditions, etc. Write an article, post it on your page, who the reviewers were, how it is independent, and what test fixtures or measurement devices you used, etc