This is really really great stuff. Also you somehow demonstrate here that at normal / full speed, it is quit difficult to see some of the illegal moves from the legal moves. Thanks for the video.
This helped me so much! My buddies & I always play at the gym & they're always calling traveling but I've never been taught the official rules. Wish you had continued making more basketball videos.
@skrisos: It is trickier than counting steps. These videos are about drawing the lines between what is and isn't legal according to the rule book. What is actually enforced differs between referees and leagues. Legal vs. illegal footwork depends on several factors. For a shot, you are allowed to establish a pivot foot and pick it up, as long as the ball is released before that foot again returns to the ground. In this illegal move the pivot foot comes back to the ground before the shot.
+Gurpreet Singh I'm an IAABO Board official and you're absolutely right. I disagreed with half of the traveling calls in this video. traveling is usually incorrectly called or over called during games.
+bric314 These situations are based on the IAABO rule book. I didn't generally call them this closely back in my reffing days, but I've presented them as written, with vetting by top Maine officials. The intention was to have players and refs better understand them. Discretion in making calls is another matter.
Tyson - I would love your analysis of Harden's 'double step back' move. No one else on TH-cam analyzes travels as methodically as you do. There are many videos on this, but they're generally all poor. I think it could go viral within the bball YT community. Also, I just had the realization that the move is basically the Quahog dribble, assuming the player comes to a stop with both feet landing at the same (usually this is not the case though). I say that because the 'first step back' is often a pseudo-jump stop. Then often times I feel the 'second step back' starts with both hands on the ball with the step-back foot on the ground. But this is okay as long as a true jump stop follows. Unfortunately I think the second step back usually ends in a staggered fashion, rather than with both feet landing at the same time, so it's often illegal. The other way it can be done legally is with the second step back occurring without the dribble having been ended (e.g., without both hands clasping the ball, or without a hand under the ball), however I think gravity makes this hard to do unless the footwork is very fast.
Really great video as I have realized I am missing a lot of these calls. Fun excercise for me, more videos would be appreciated, maybe of real life game examples? Thanks!!
@MasterOSuspense I've seen guys dunk at that height, but it's a truly impressive feat. A training program including plyometrics and weights can help, although genetics are of course a factor. I really like jumping rope to help develop an explosive base, back squats for general leg strength, and lots of dunking practice. For the latter, adjustable rims allow for creating a great progression. Start at a height where you can dunk, then increase it a tiny bit each week. Aim high!
The move at 3:33, I know is legal as it was always in the NFHS Case Book, but I've never seen anyone at any level use it. The move at 3:07 would take some sharp eyes to catch that left foot off the floor since the whole move is smooth. When I left the game, many kids were jumping off the one foot and landing on both before going up again to shoot. The problem with this was that both feet were not landing simultaneously as the rules say they do. They don't have to be even or together but must land at the same time. If not, it is a huge advantage for the offensive player. Many officials didn't call this. I always called it and told my partner pre-game that I did. I don't agree with that last move not being a travel however you look at it. It's not a "jump stop" "staggered landing" whatever. None of those terms are in the rulebook. Might be able to argue when the dribble ends but if a player puts the ball behind his back, he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt in taking an extra half step.
excuse me but i can't see the difference between 4:02 move and 2:52 move. Both are pseudo jump to staggered landing - while one is illegal and the other one is legal. Can somebody explain that for me?
hi you could look in this way, 4:02 is a normal layup with 2 steps, only with the ball holding in the air at the back (pseudo jump). 2:52 is an attempt to a true jump stop (one pivot foot on floor while catching the ball and jump off and landing both feet, after that the feet must be lifted off together to make a shot OR make a shot without lifting both feet) But 2:52 he made a staggered steps which is illegal, because the criteria is to land both feet after jump.
Giving something a name is not "inventing" it. Most rules have been the same, it's just that most people didn't know the rules, so the only played within the rules they grew up with.
Uitleg waarom pumpfake geen traveling is: Bij 0:30 is je rechtervoet je pivotvoet en dus moet je eerst je linker been kruisen naar voren en tegelijkertijd dribbelen met je rechterhand en dan nadat je de bal laat vallen mag je pivotvoet los
Yes, the key to a legal staggered landing is not gathering the ball until you are in the air. I included the pseudo to true jump stop move for illustration purposes, and because I have a buddy from college who loved to argue for its legality. Most refs won't have seen it enough to allow it. Typically they'll call traveling if something looks weird.
@tysonvictor Thank you sir for your videos. I've understood them in theory so I'm going to practice later. Do you think it is possible to dunk being a 5ft8.8 guy who's not a pro. I play everyday with decent opponents.
3:00 you say its a travel because he lifts his pivot foot. i disagree with this ruling. the play, as i see it, appears as though the player is catching a pass in motion. when a player does this there is no defined pivot foot. The player puts the ball down immediately within taking two steps from receiving the ball. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think it was legit.
+cali619life All of the calls in this video have been checked by IAABO-certified officials. For a more complete explanation of starting a dribble like this, see Travel or Not Part 2: Starting a Dribble from the Triple Threat." This move is rarely called a travel if done smoothly, but it's a good idea to learn legal moves just in case a particular ref is a stickler for detail.
Depends on the league and rule. Nfhs rule states a travel occurs when the established pivot is lifted and returns to the floor before a dribble or pass.
question how to I make the pound dribble to spin to two steps staggered WORK. I see it alot.. do you gather late or what... And another question Why would you put psedo jump stop one foot to true jump stop on here to NOT use it.
It's legal, because he collects the ball in the air. The hop onto one foot is establishing pivot, and then the jump onto two feet is considered one step, and he has to shoot or pass.
Thanks. This was filmed so long ago though haha. For the example at 2:56, the ball comes to rest with the player's left foot on the floor. He then hops to the side and back and lands in a stagger. This is a "true" jump stop, requiring him to land with both feet at the same time and without a pivot available. IAABO travel rules are tight compared to others. In the example shown, it's doubtful any ref would actually call a travel, since it happens super quickly and smoothly, and the jump stop happens almost simultaneously with reception of the ball. The move at 3:55, while legal, will likely prompt a travel call from most refs. Which is a drag, but hey. "Don't use it" is also an homage to Red Auerbach telling viewers not to use fancy moves demoed by Pete Maravich in the classic instruction video "Red on Roundball."
@@TysonWeems 2:56 sir.. is not a travel. At least not in this age of basketball respectfully sir... it's same as receiving a pass in motion and coming to a jumpstop. IF YOU CAN BE ALLOWED TO DRIBBLE AFTER THE JUMPSTOP, MEANS YOU CAN AS WELL TRIPLE THREAT OFF THE PASS, .. INDIRECTLY TRANSLATES TO YOU CAN HAVE A STAGGERED JUMPSTOP AFTER RECEIVING THE BALL. THE BALL TOUCHES YOUR HAND WHEN LEFT LEG IS ON THE FLOOR DOESN'T MEAN YOU GATHERED THE BALL ALREADY.. SO IT CAN'T BE THE PIVOT. PLEASE REVIEW THIS AGAIN SIR AS WELL AS HARDENS DOUBLE STEP BACK( I do it a lot..lol) Thanks for all you do and happy new year sir 🎉
I learned a lot from watching this. Thanks for making it. I do have a question. Is this a travel? watch?v=zrKJK79YTrs I know that you can take as many steps as you want between dribbles. To me it looked like he took his stagger steps during his dribble, stopped his dribble, then had his stagger landing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Excellent series. Very informative. Ridiculous questions by viewers. :) "If I'm in the post and I pseudo jump stop, pump fake, take another step, and then dribble again and then pass...is that a travel? My uncle says it's not, but I think it is, and my grandma doesn't care. *followed by life story* Oh by the way this is important because I'm going to be in the NBA, so I'm gonna need to know like now." haha
I was curious about the dragging or sliding of the pivot foot is that a travel? Because there are many players with odd ball ways of sliding their pivot foot while keeping it to the ground.
Good question. I didn't get into this. Moving a pivot foot from one spot is illegal, regardless of if it remains on the ground. I would generally allow use of the side of the foot or toe (i.e., a small amount of rolling over) but not any significant horizontal translation.
Yeah I'm really curious about the usage of the slide and how far is a significant slide with the pivot foot. In the FIBA and NBA rules manual, they mention pivot foot but the slide of the pivot foot isn't mentioned and most basketball people have the common sense knowledge that a sliding of the pivot foot even if its kept on the ground is a travel but how far is an actual sliding of the pivot foot? Nobody covers this. If you have any background knowledge of this please let me know. I'm dying to get this discussion started.
At 2:48 true jump stop, before the dribble, can i use one step, like jump stop? or after starting dribble i can left my one foot? From what I understand, when I use true jump stop, both foots are pivot foots so I can not move even one step before the dribble, right?
+dongseong lee I'm not exactly sure what you're describing, but upon landing a true jump stop a player isn't allowed any additional pivoting. For more detail see Travel or Not Part 5: Ending a Dribble.
Can you restart the dribble after you win the ball in a held ball situation (when 2 or more players from opposing teams have contact with ball and fight for it in a tussle)?
Yes, you would be able to continue dribbling the ball, but most times than none, when two opposing players are fighting for the ball, a jump ball will be called! However, if you are fighting for the ball on the ground, neither of you will be able to get up, unless you are dribbling the ball in the process.
According to the new 2017) rules, at 3:04 the left foot is considered "0-step", right foot becomes pivot. Was a travel back in the day, but not a travel anymore.
@@tysonbeacon3641 Referring to this: www dot basketballsa dot com dot au/assets/docs/general/FIBA-Rule-Changes-Summary-2017-Video-Links dot pdf -- the changed travel rules are highlighted. The "0-step" is not mentioned in the rules, but it's used with the referee guides on how to interpret the new rule.
so, if u catch the ball with for example the right foot on the floor, you cannot lift the right foot until the ball is out of your hands, regardless if you have done any pivoting?
Yes you get to land that next step, the left, and start your dribble. The right comes up, of course, before releasing the ball. If you begin dribbling it has to be before the right hits the floor again.
It will be better if you explain each one with the notion of pivot foot instead of your pseudo jump or staggered move, terms like these are really misleading and often confuse people.
+jason HAN I use terms like those in this video to save time. For a more detailed explanation of the jump stop and other footwork possibilities, see Part 5 of this series, Ending a Dribble.
i agree that most of these are travels, but in real time, these calls are never going to be made. there is simply too much else for refs to focus on than whether or not a player lifted his foot a split second before the ball left his hand. in real time, this process almost always appears to be simultaneous, even if it's not. plus, that would take a lot of balls for the ref to call that, especially in today's replay era. the chances that the ref made a mistake in determining whether or not the ball left the player's hand before he took a step are very high.
Many of these moves are actually illegal. This guy's definition of "the ball coming to rest" at the end of a dribble are completely off. The dribble ends when the player "catches or carries/palms the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands." -as per the NCAA rule book...
Nicholas Okuley thats considered a "gather step" if you end your dribble with a foot on the floor, you're allowed to take two steps as he shows in 3:33
That foot doesn't count if this it's the NBA. However there is no such thing as a "gather step" in the NCAA. Per the rule book: b. When one foot is on the playing court: 1. That foot shall be the pivot foot when the other foot touches in a step; 2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both, in which case neither foot can then be the pivot foot.
Have you heard the part that, wen u are running, on catching the ball, you are entitled to two step before dribbling or pass or shot... Wen u do dis, it's not a travel. 🏀✌🏾💪🏾
No it's not that simple. If the ball comes to rest while one foot is on the floor, that foot becomes a pivot foot when the other foot lands. If it's a running step, the original foot cannot come back down, since that would amount to establishing a second pivot foot. For the move to be legal, the ball must come to rest while the player is in the air. Then the first foot that lands becomes the pivot foot and a second foot can land (regardless of whether the first foot is still on the ground or not). He could jump from one foot and land on 2 simultaneously (with no pivoting allowed), however. This would constitute a "true jump stop."
If you're referring to the jump stop deemed legal in the clip, re-check the IAABO rule book. The example directly following that play, with a player's feet landing one at a time, is indeed illegal. In the jump stop a player can receive the ball, hop in the air, and then land on two feet, neither of which is allowed to act as a pivot.
Umm at 1:22 this is not illegal. It doesn't matter if the pivot foot leaves the floor before the dribble. It only matters if the pivot foot returns to the floor before a pass, dribble, or shot.
All of these call were vetted by a board interpreter and are based on IAABO rules. The dribble must begin before the pivot leaves the floor. This is a distinction from starting a pass or shot, in which case your interpretation would be correct. I cover starting a dribble in detail in Part 2: Starting a Dribble from the "Triple Threat."
A lot of those illegal moves wouldn't get called in your average rec league game because they happen so fast, there is no way an ref could see or notice it happening.
He was dribbling and then he took like three shake and bake steps. that's legal. but the ball was coming up and as soon as Rondo secured it in his right hand, he established a pivot. He then took one step, and shot. It was a legal move. However, it was a bad angle for the ref. Rondo's body is shielding the ball, and so when he was juking and then goes up with the ball never putting it back down, it looks like he traveled to the official.
jc 17. I disagree with the poster - it is a VIOLENT, ugly travel. But he's saying its from a rule book written 5 years ago. That's my problem. I played in HS and College in the 80s and the tighter rules from that time period are being depart from further and further and further with each passing decade. A shame I think because the athletic ability of today's player combined with these liberal rules allow them to do almost anything.
Based on the rules, travel calls are fairly easy to call based on the rules. Sometimes they aren't caught due to the speed of the play, or looking at other potential infractions. @ :44, no reason is given as to why Tyson believes this is a travel. I've yet to find the rule broken.
The explanation immediately follows the clip. Here's an expanded version. Determination of a traveling violation in this spin dribble is based on when the ball comes to rest, namely when I cup it on the spin. That makes my left foot the pivot. I then step onto my right foot and pick up the pivot foot. At this point I must either shoot or pass for the move to be legal. Instead I continue and step onto my left foot again, making it a travel (IAABO rules).
@@TysonWeems That's not an explanation. You simply stated what happened in the video and deemed it illegal. You didn't state which rule was actually broken. ex. A video of a person taking money out of a register plays. You state, this person took money from out of the register. ILLEGAL-- You stated what happened, not what law was broken. SAYING Penal code1234 states a person commits the crime of theft when taking possession of money or items that do not belong to them or without permission. In this case, the owner of the money didn't give permission, so it's illegal.---Players on all levels are allowed two steps after ending their legal live dribble. You took 2 steps after ending your dribble so it's a legal move.
@@forallsportskind Okay fair enough. It is a travel because once a pivot foot is established, a player can jump stop (jump off that foot and land on both at the same time, at which point no additional pivoting is allowed) or land on one foot and then pause (which would be weird) or (more likely) jump to pass or shoot. A player is not allowed to land in a staggered fashion, as shown in the clip. But I don't have an IAABO rulebook handy to tell you the exact section. I CAN tell you that back when I made these videos, I had them vetted by the IABBO rules interpreter for Maine.
@@TysonWeems A lot of refs I deal with have the same issue you're having. They get hung up on "pivot" rules. Pivot rules are merely a subcategory in the travel violation. They don't apply here cause you didn't pivot(move 1 foot consecutively while the other is planted). The overall travel rule is fairly clear. --With the ball in your possession, trying to gain an advantage by moving while exceeding or not utilizing the legal amount of steps(2), after ending or before starting your legal dribble. Again, you ended your legal dribble on the lt ft, stepped with the rt ft 1, then the lt ft 2, then released the ball b4 returning to the floor. It is an awkward/rarely used move(usually by big men), but legal, nonetheless--- Finally, I repeat. The pivot rules don't apply as you did not pivot on this play.
@@forallsportskind Interesting take. We disagree on the usefulness of the term "pivot foot" in this case. Agreed that there wasn't a standard pivot move. But I find it an acceptable way to frame the situation, mainly based on feedback from refs who taught the rule to me back in the day. Do you disagree that this move is technically a travel as shown? Because if so, that would be an issue. Per IAABO rules, it is indeed a travel. At least according to the interpreter in Maine back when I made this.
So in other words, dozens of travel calls are ignored every game until NBA and on. I'd be cool to have someone scrutinize and count them all in season, itd be hundreds and hundreds.
NBA traveling rules are not as strict as IAABO. Enforcement varies. I tended to call certain things more tightly than colleagues when I was reffing. Some of them called travels that I knew weren't, most often when players made moves awkwardly. Which prompted me to make these videos ;)
TOTAL FREAKING TRAVEL. And a VIOLENT one at that. The so-called "pseudo jump stop" is an actual stop. Then, without a dribble, he takes another jump from a stopped position and THEN goes up for the shot. H@*l NO!!! TRAVEL!!
+RikUo You could include back or front squatting 2x/week, jumping rope or plyometrics 2x/week, and practicing dunking 2-3x/week (ideally as part of the plyo or jump rope sessions). Olympic lifting can also be useful. A good coach to help maximize the effect of all of the above is always useful.
Because many refs will call it a travel based on the fact that it LOOKS illegal. It's unfortunately the case that many travel calls are based on something looking awkward versus it actually being illegal. A super common situation is when a player gets slowed down by contact during a legal move. It's easy to perceive it as a travel because it takes longer than normal to complete it. That's one of the reasons I made these videos - to help refs make better calls.
PSEUDO JUMP STOP FOLLOWED BY A TRUE JUMP EVEN THOUGH IT IS LEGAL ..... IF YOUR GOING TO DO THAT EXACT THING IN THE VIDEO WOULD BE ILLEGAL..... IT CANT BE LEGAL... ITS STUPID TO JUMP TWICE.... LOL...
Haha. Nice observation. I was a righty in my playing days but messed up my right wrist. Since retiring at age 25 I've occasionally shot around left-handed. Haven't worked on my lefty pump fake, though.
The NBA rules and applications are more permissive than IAABO. Regardless, the first 3 minutes of this compilation all look legal at any level: th-cam.com/video/F5n1NotT5Ik/w-d-xo.html
This still isn't a travel. See top comment. If I have an established pivot foot I can lift that pivot as long as I dribble, pass or shoot before it returns to the floor. That's a National Federation High School rule. Who verified this?
"Actually none of these are travels" -Lebron
This is really really great stuff. Also you somehow demonstrate here that at normal / full speed, it is quit difficult to see some of the illegal moves from the legal moves.
Thanks for the video.
Thanks for all your series of traveling moves, appreciated because i found no source of teaching material like this, really appreciated
This helped me so much! My buddies & I always play at the gym & they're always calling traveling but I've never been taught the official rules. Wish you had continued making more basketball videos.
Damn, that crazy leg one got me.
Again, nicely done. Recommended these to our local meetings.
This proves that ref's must be respected because of these calls ( excluding Joey Crawford )
thanks for this channel really helps training and teaching new referees... and even experienced ones. appreciate it
Tim grover needs to see this glad someone has taken the time to do this
@skrisos: It is trickier than counting steps. These videos are about drawing the lines between what is and isn't legal according to the rule book. What is actually enforced differs between referees and leagues. Legal vs. illegal footwork depends on several factors. For a shot, you are allowed to establish a pivot foot and pick it up, as long as the ball is released before that foot again returns to the ground. In this illegal move the pivot foot comes back to the ground before the shot.
good to see in all speeds. Thanks for posting this video, really appreciate the eye opening looks.
Thanks a heap - great series. Nothing like this on you tube to explain the rules.
cool little series, just discovered it like 4 years later tho. still useful.
U can lift ur pivot as long as u don't place it back on the ground
+Gurpreet Singh I'm an IAABO Board official and you're absolutely right. I disagreed with half of the traveling calls in this video. traveling is usually incorrectly called or over called during games.
+bric314 These situations are based on the IAABO rule book. I didn't generally call them this closely back in my reffing days, but I've presented them as written, with vetting by top Maine officials. The intention was to have players and refs better understand them. Discretion in making calls is another matter.
+Tyson Beacon I do fiba
Like, ever again?
Tyson - I would love your analysis of Harden's 'double step back' move. No one else on TH-cam analyzes travels as methodically as you do. There are many videos on this, but they're generally all poor. I think it could go viral within the bball YT community. Also, I just had the realization that the move is basically the Quahog dribble, assuming the player comes to a stop with both feet landing at the same (usually this is not the case though). I say that because the 'first step back' is often a pseudo-jump stop. Then often times I feel the 'second step back' starts with both hands on the ball with the step-back foot on the ground. But this is okay as long as a true jump stop follows. Unfortunately I think the second step back usually ends in a staggered fashion, rather than with both feet landing at the same time, so it's often illegal. The other way it can be done legally is with the second step back occurring without the dribble having been ended (e.g., without both hands clasping the ball, or without a hand under the ball), however I think gravity makes this hard to do unless the footwork is very fast.
Really great video as I have realized I am missing a lot of these calls. Fun excercise for me, more videos would be appreciated, maybe of real life game examples? Thanks!!
THIS WAS A GREAT HELP...MANY YOUTH PLAYERS COMMIT THESE VIOLATIONS!!
I need to take this video to the bball court with me
I'm afraid some of these calls are incorrect. Remember, the pivot can be lifted, but not returned to the floor before a travel is to be called.
The calls in the video were all approved by the Maine IAABO interpreter and other officials based on the rules as of 2010.
True if shooting or passing the ball, but it can't be lifted before beginning a dribble.
@MasterOSuspense I've seen guys dunk at that height, but it's a truly impressive feat. A training program including plyometrics and weights can help, although genetics are of course a factor. I really like jumping rope to help develop an explosive base, back squats for general leg strength, and lots of dunking practice. For the latter, adjustable rims allow for creating a great progression. Start at a height where you can dunk, then increase it a tiny bit each week. Aim high!
Thanks for the video. Wish I knew the rules sooner. Gonna play with those fundamentals.
The move at 3:33, I know is legal as it was always in the NFHS Case Book, but I've never seen anyone at any level use it. The move at 3:07 would take some sharp eyes to catch that left foot off the floor since the whole move is smooth. When I left the game, many kids were jumping off the one foot and landing on both before going up again to shoot. The problem with this was that both feet were not landing simultaneously as the rules say they do. They don't have to be even or together but must land at the same time. If not, it is a huge advantage for the offensive player. Many officials didn't call this. I always called it and told my partner pre-game that I did. I don't agree with that last move not being a travel however you look at it. It's not a "jump stop" "staggered landing" whatever. None of those terms are in the rulebook. Might be able to argue when the dribble ends but if a player puts the ball behind his back, he's not going to get the benefit of the doubt in taking an extra half step.
some of these are good, but some of these even if illegal are not going to get called lol
That's why referees need these videos to help them
Elijah Foster It's way too difficult to call these travels in real time thus why the "again" sequence was shown each play.
Really nice, informative video series. This will help my one-on-one game!
I don't watch the NBA now because they do not enforce the rules. There is a reason these players score so much.
Agree. It's just a show.
So this i what Harden studied in college.
excuse me but i can't see the difference between 4:02 move and 2:52 move. Both are pseudo jump to staggered landing - while one is illegal and the other one is legal. Can somebody explain that for me?
hi you could look in this way, 4:02 is a normal layup with 2 steps, only with the ball holding in the air at the back (pseudo jump).
2:52 is an attempt to a true jump stop (one pivot foot on floor while catching the ball and jump off and landing both feet, after that the feet must be lifted off together to make a shot OR make a shot without lifting both feet)
But 2:52 he made a staggered steps which is illegal, because the criteria is to land both feet after jump.
papaonn in 2.52 he puts his leg on the ground then gets the ball and then makes 2 steps
I still can't understand why it's illegal
NBA and FIBA changed a lots of rule about travel, such as invention of "0 Step", it allows up to 4 steps in some condition after dribbling.
Giving something a name is not "inventing" it. Most rules have been the same, it's just that most people didn't know the rules, so the only played within the rules they grew up with.
thanks !!! really helpful!!!!!
Uitleg waarom pumpfake geen traveling is:
Bij 0:30 is je rechtervoet je pivotvoet en dus moet je eerst je linker been kruisen naar voren en tegelijkertijd dribbelen met je rechterhand en dan nadat je de bal laat vallen mag je pivotvoet los
Yes, the key to a legal staggered landing is not gathering the ball until you are in the air. I included the pseudo to true jump stop move for illustration purposes, and because I have a buddy from college who loved to argue for its legality. Most refs won't have seen it enough to allow it. Typically they'll call traveling if something looks weird.
Did you not watch the entire video? There is a half-decent, legal throw-down at the end.
@tysonvictor
Thank you sir for your videos. I've understood them in theory so I'm going to practice later. Do you think it is possible to dunk being a 5ft8.8 guy who's not a pro. I play everyday with decent opponents.
3:00 you say its a travel because he lifts his pivot foot. i disagree with this ruling. the play, as i see it, appears as though the player is catching a pass in motion. when a player does this there is no defined pivot foot. The player puts the ball down immediately within taking two steps from receiving the ball. Maybe I'm alone in this, but I think it was legit.
+cali619life All of the calls in this video have been checked by IAABO-certified officials. For a more complete explanation of starting a dribble like this, see Travel or Not Part 2: Starting a Dribble from the Triple Threat." This move is rarely called a travel if done smoothly, but it's a good idea to learn legal moves just in case a particular ref is a stickler for detail.
1:22 is not a travel. Check my above comment.
Nick Rambo its a travel. U cannot lift your pivot then dribble.
Depends on the league and rule. Nfhs rule states a travel occurs when the established pivot is lifted and returns to the floor before a dribble or pass.
NFHS Rule 4-15-3: The dribble begins by pushing, throwing, or batting the ball to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted.
question how to I make the pound dribble to spin to two steps staggered WORK. I see it alot.. do you gather late or what...
And another question Why would you put psedo jump stop one foot to true jump stop on here to NOT use it.
It's legal, because he collects the ball in the air. The hop onto one foot is establishing pivot, and then the jump onto two feet is considered one step, and he has to shoot or pass.
whats wrong w/ 2:56? (not a side step?)...2nd: whats wrong with using the jump stop move at 3:55? great channel
Thanks. This was filmed so long ago though haha. For the example at 2:56, the ball comes to rest with the player's left foot on the floor. He then hops to the side and back and lands in a stagger. This is a "true" jump stop, requiring him to land with both feet at the same time and without a pivot available. IAABO travel rules are tight compared to others. In the example shown, it's doubtful any ref would actually call a travel, since it happens super quickly and smoothly, and the jump stop happens almost simultaneously with reception of the ball.
The move at 3:55, while legal, will likely prompt a travel call from most refs. Which is a drag, but hey. "Don't use it" is also an homage to Red Auerbach telling viewers not to use fancy moves demoed by Pete Maravich in the classic instruction video "Red on Roundball."
@@TysonWeems 2:56 sir.. is not a travel. At least not in this age of basketball respectfully sir... it's same as receiving a pass in motion and coming to a jumpstop. IF YOU CAN BE ALLOWED TO DRIBBLE AFTER THE JUMPSTOP, MEANS YOU CAN AS WELL TRIPLE THREAT OFF THE PASS, .. INDIRECTLY TRANSLATES TO YOU CAN HAVE A STAGGERED JUMPSTOP AFTER RECEIVING THE BALL.
THE BALL TOUCHES YOUR HAND WHEN LEFT LEG IS ON THE FLOOR DOESN'T MEAN YOU GATHERED THE BALL ALREADY.. SO IT CAN'T BE THE PIVOT.
PLEASE REVIEW THIS AGAIN SIR AS WELL AS HARDENS DOUBLE STEP BACK( I do it a lot..lol)
Thanks for all you do and happy new year sir 🎉
Thank you , This useful.
I learned a lot from watching this. Thanks for making it. I do have a question. Is this a travel?
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I know that you can take as many steps as you want between dribbles. To me it looked like he took his stagger steps during his dribble, stopped his dribble, then had his stagger landing. Correct me if I'm wrong.
Excellent series. Very informative. Ridiculous questions by viewers. :)
"If I'm in the post and I pseudo jump stop, pump fake, take another step, and then dribble again and then pass...is that a travel? My uncle says it's not, but I think it is, and my grandma doesn't care. *followed by life story* Oh by the way this is important because I'm going to be in the NBA, so I'm gonna need to know like now." haha
I was curious about the dragging or sliding of the pivot foot is that a travel? Because there are many players with odd ball ways of sliding their pivot foot while keeping it to the ground.
Good question. I didn't get into this. Moving a pivot foot from one spot is illegal, regardless of if it remains on the ground. I would generally allow use of the side of the foot or toe (i.e., a small amount of rolling over) but not any significant horizontal translation.
Yeah I'm really curious about the usage of the slide and how far is a significant slide with the pivot foot. In the FIBA and NBA rules manual, they mention pivot foot but the slide of the pivot foot isn't mentioned and most basketball people have the common sense knowledge that a sliding of the pivot foot even if its kept on the ground is a travel but how far is an actual sliding of the pivot foot?
Nobody covers this. If you have any background knowledge of this please let me know. I'm dying to get this discussion started.
Your pivot must stay in place.
Yes, it must stay in "place" which is why you have more flexibility with your pivot if you are on either the heel or toe of the pivot foot.
What about if I dribble between the leg and walked two steps then released the ball right before the third step
At 2:48 true jump stop, before the dribble, can i use one step, like jump stop? or after starting dribble i can left my one foot?
From what I understand, when I use true jump stop, both foots are pivot foots so I can not move even one step before the dribble, right?
+dongseong lee I'm not exactly sure what you're describing, but upon landing a true jump stop a player isn't allowed any additional pivoting. For more detail see Travel or Not Part 5: Ending a Dribble.
Can you restart the dribble after you win the ball in a held ball situation (when 2 or more players from opposing teams have contact with ball and fight for it in a tussle)?
Yes, you would be able to continue dribbling the ball, but most times than none, when two opposing players are fighting for the ball, a jump ball will be called! However, if you are fighting for the ball on the ground, neither of you will be able to get up, unless you are dribbling the ball in the process.
According to the new 2017) rules, at 3:04 the left foot is considered "0-step", right foot becomes pivot. Was a travel back in the day, but not a travel anymore.
Interesting. To which rulebook are you referring? IAABO? I've been out of refereeing for a while now.
@@tysonbeacon3641 Referring to this: www dot basketballsa dot com dot au/assets/docs/general/FIBA-Rule-Changes-Summary-2017-Video-Links dot pdf -- the changed travel rules are highlighted. The "0-step" is not mentioned in the rules, but it's used with the referee guides on how to interpret the new rule.
@@mijuraut Okay cool. Note that these videos are based on IAABO rules. They definitely vary by league.
Is this video based on NBA rules or FIBA or what?
IAABO high school rules, as written as of 5 years ago. Enforcement can vary widely by official and level of play.
Thanks for the information.
so, if u catch the ball with for example the right foot on the floor, you cannot lift the right foot until the ball is out of your hands, regardless if you have done any pivoting?
why would you catch a ball with right foot on the floor? two feet should be on the floor.
Yes you get to land that next step, the left, and start your dribble. The right comes up, of course, before releasing the ball. If you begin dribbling it has to be before the right hits the floor again.
It will be better if you explain each one with the notion of pivot foot instead of your pseudo jump or staggered move, terms like these are really misleading and often confuse people.
+jason HAN I use terms like those in this video to save time. For a more detailed explanation of the jump stop and other footwork possibilities, see Part 5 of this series, Ending a Dribble.
Thanks!!!
i agree that most of these are travels, but in real time, these calls are never going to be made. there is simply too much else for refs to focus on than whether or not a player lifted his foot a split second before the ball left his hand. in real time, this process almost always appears to be simultaneous, even if it's not. plus, that would take a lot of balls for the ref to call that, especially in today's replay era. the chances that the ref made a mistake in determining whether or not the ball left the player's hand before he took a step are very high.
yen your right, in real time calls like that are hard to make
Many of these moves are actually illegal. This guy's definition of "the ball coming to rest" at the end of a dribble are completely off. The dribble ends when the player "catches or carries/palms the ball by allowing it to come to rest in one or both hands." -as per the NCAA rule book...
For example, the move at 3:33 is a travel because the player controls the ball with one hand and his left foot touching the court.
And also at 1:32.
Nicholas Okuley thats considered a "gather step" if you end your dribble with a foot on the floor, you're allowed to take two steps as he shows in 3:33
Also in 1:32
That foot doesn't count if this it's the NBA. However there is no such thing as a "gather step" in the NCAA. Per the rule book: b. When one foot is on the playing court:
1. That foot shall be the pivot foot when the other foot touches in a step;
2. The player may jump off that foot and simultaneously land on both,
in which case neither foot can then be the pivot foot.
how about in sidesteps/eurosteps, pls define when it would be called a travelling
Have you heard the part that, wen u are running, on catching the ball, you are entitled to two step before dribbling or pass or shot... Wen u do dis, it's not a travel. 🏀✌🏾💪🏾
don't understand 0:47 . he picks up the dribble whne his left foot hits the ground, so he's allowed those 2 steps after, no?
No it's not that simple. If the ball comes to rest while one foot is on the floor, that foot becomes a pivot foot when the other foot lands. If it's a running step, the original foot cannot come back down, since that would amount to establishing a second pivot foot.
For the move to be legal, the ball must come to rest while the player is in the air. Then the first foot that lands becomes the pivot foot and a second foot can land (regardless of whether the first foot is still on the ground or not).
He could jump from one foot and land on 2 simultaneously (with no pivoting allowed), however. This would constitute a "true jump stop."
when the pivot moves earlier than the ball is always travelling!?
In IAABO rules, yes. How much it's enforced depends on the referee. A lot of players who move smoothly get away with it most of the time.
Haris Mpalatsoukas Only on starting a dribble.
2:50 James Harden stepback.....illegal
If you're referring to the jump stop deemed legal in the clip, re-check the IAABO rule book. The example directly following that play, with a player's feet landing one at a time, is indeed illegal. In the jump stop a player can receive the ball, hop in the air, and then land on two feet, neither of which is allowed to act as a pivot.
none of these will be called by nba ref
Umm at 1:22 this is not illegal. It doesn't matter if the pivot foot leaves the floor before the dribble. It only matters if the pivot foot returns to the floor before a pass, dribble, or shot.
All of these call were vetted by a board interpreter and are based on IAABO rules. The dribble must begin before the pivot leaves the floor. This is a distinction from starting a pass or shot, in which case your interpretation would be correct. I cover starting a dribble in detail in Part 2: Starting a Dribble from the "Triple Threat."
Nick Rambo No. The call is correct. In this case it’s a travel. Pivot cannot be lifted before dribble starts.
in 2017 this is all legal
Illegal is at the refs discretion.
A lot of those illegal moves wouldn't get called in your average rec league game because they happen so fast, there is no way an ref could see or notice it happening.
And it's amazing how the young players today are conditioned into believing you can move your pivot foot before dribbling.
He was dribbling and then he took like three shake and bake steps. that's legal. but the ball was coming up and as soon as Rondo secured it in his right hand, he established a pivot. He then took one step, and shot. It was a legal move. However, it was a bad angle for the ref. Rondo's body is shielding the ball, and so when he was juking and then goes up with the ball never putting it back down, it looks like he traveled to the official.
oh man, so glad I stayed til the end. HA!
Wait hold on. 3:33 is actually legal? Whaaat.
jc 17. I disagree with the poster - it is a VIOLENT, ugly travel. But he's saying its from a rule book written 5 years ago. That's my problem. I played in HS and College in the 80s and the tighter rules from that time period are being depart from further and further and further with each passing decade. A shame I think because the athletic ability of today's player combined with these liberal rules allow them to do almost anything.
ПОЛЕЗНЫЙ МАТЕРИАЛ. ТРАКТОВКА ПОСЛЕДНЕГО СЮЖЕТА ВЫЗЫВАЕТ СОМНЕНИЕ...
3:33 😂😂😂 wtf
A megatravel man
King Tev: TOTALLY agree. This is TOTAL, ABSOLUTE, UNADULTERATED TRAVEL. It is a VIOLENT travel. Good grief. This was called legal?????!!!!! BS.
Yes you can
Hop step land on one foot BUT that foot WILL be your pivot foot
If land on both you can choose your pivot foot :) your welcome
3:35 definitely a travel...
+jason HAN guaranteed to be called a travel, though legal. I included it as a tribute to a teammate at Bowdoin.
+Oblivion Its 100% not a travel. Read the rules. It's not advised because refs often call it coz it looks funny.
Thanks sooo much, your first dunk attempt was a travel thogh
Based on the rules, travel calls are fairly easy to call based on the rules. Sometimes they aren't caught due to the speed of the play, or looking at other potential infractions. @ :44, no reason is given as to why Tyson believes this is a travel. I've yet to find the rule broken.
The explanation immediately follows the clip. Here's an expanded version. Determination of a traveling violation in this spin dribble is based on when the ball comes to rest, namely when I cup it on the spin. That makes my left foot the pivot. I then step onto my right foot and pick up the pivot foot. At this point I must either shoot or pass for the move to be legal. Instead I continue and step onto my left foot again, making it a travel (IAABO rules).
@@TysonWeems That's not an explanation. You simply stated what happened in the video and deemed it illegal. You didn't state which rule was actually broken. ex. A video of a person taking money out of a register plays. You state, this person took money from out of the register. ILLEGAL-- You stated what happened, not what law was broken. SAYING Penal code1234 states a person commits the crime of theft when taking possession of money or items that do not belong to them or without permission. In this case, the owner of the money didn't give permission, so it's illegal.---Players on all levels are allowed two steps after ending their legal live dribble. You took 2 steps after ending your dribble so it's a legal move.
@@forallsportskind Okay fair enough. It is a travel because once a pivot foot is established, a player can jump stop (jump off that foot and land on both at the same time, at which point no additional pivoting is allowed) or land on one foot and then pause (which would be weird) or (more likely) jump to pass or shoot. A player is not allowed to land in a staggered fashion, as shown in the clip. But I don't have an IAABO rulebook handy to tell you the exact section. I CAN tell you that back when I made these videos, I had them vetted by the IABBO rules interpreter for Maine.
@@TysonWeems A lot of refs I deal with have the same issue you're having. They get hung up on "pivot" rules. Pivot rules are merely a subcategory in the travel violation. They don't apply here cause you didn't pivot(move 1 foot consecutively while the other is planted). The overall travel rule is fairly clear. --With the ball in your possession, trying to gain an advantage by moving while exceeding or not utilizing the legal amount of steps(2), after ending or before starting your legal dribble. Again, you ended your legal dribble on the lt ft, stepped with the rt ft 1, then the lt ft 2, then released the ball b4 returning to the floor. It is an awkward/rarely used move(usually by big men), but legal, nonetheless--- Finally, I repeat. The pivot rules don't apply as you did not pivot on this play.
@@forallsportskind Interesting take. We disagree on the usefulness of the term "pivot foot" in this case. Agreed that there wasn't a standard pivot move. But I find it an acceptable way to frame the situation, mainly based on feedback from refs who taught the rule to me back in the day. Do you disagree that this move is technically a travel as shown? Because if so, that would be an issue. Per IAABO rules, it is indeed a travel. At least according to the interpreter in Maine back when I made this.
So in other words, dozens of travel calls are ignored every game until NBA and on. I'd be cool to have someone scrutinize and count them all in season, itd be hundreds and hundreds.
NBA traveling rules are not as strict as IAABO. Enforcement varies. I tended to call certain things more tightly than colleagues when I was reffing. Some of them called travels that I knew weren't, most often when players made moves awkwardly. Which prompted me to make these videos ;)
Lifting the pivot is not a travel. It’s only a travel when it is put down again.
Correct, assuming the player still has possession of the ball.
Sayan Shil It is to start the dribble.
3:34 seriously?
Technically, but not seriously.
TOTAL FREAKING TRAVEL. And a VIOLENT one at that. The so-called "pseudo jump stop" is an actual stop. Then, without a dribble, he takes another jump from a stopped position and THEN goes up for the shot. H@*l NO!!! TRAVEL!!
1:22 isn’t that a double dribble?
Its definitely not a travel. See top comment above for explanation.
When you do a hop step you can't land on one foot so 340 is a travel
sir what is your height?!
+RikUo Just under 6'3"
+Tyson Beacon YAY were the same im 19 year old still cant dunk any tips sir. my position basketball was always center..
+RikUo You could include back or front squatting 2x/week, jumping rope or plyometrics 2x/week, and practicing dunking 2-3x/week (ideally as part of the plyo or jump rope sessions). Olympic lifting can also be useful. A good coach to help maximize the effect of all of the above is always useful.
Don't forget calf raises and stretching.
let's see some legal dunking
3:32 if it legal why not use it???
Because many refs will call it a travel based on the fact that it LOOKS illegal. It's unfortunately the case that many travel calls are based on something looking awkward versus it actually being illegal. A super common situation is when a player gets slowed down by contact during a legal move. It's easy to perceive it as a travel because it takes longer than normal to complete it. That's one of the reasons I made these videos - to help refs make better calls.
if it looks like a duck and quack like a duck. . .
Awe Dee.0 people don't do it because it's a travel... If it's legal then it would be legal to do two hop steps in a row
PSEUDO JUMP STOP FOLLOWED BY A TRUE JUMP EVEN THOUGH IT IS LEGAL ..... IF YOUR GOING TO DO THAT EXACT THING IN THE VIDEO WOULD BE ILLEGAL.....
IT CANT BE LEGAL... ITS STUPID TO JUMP TWICE.... LOL...
EXACTLY
3:32 ... LOL
He pumps fakes with his right hand even though he's a lefty
Haha. Nice observation. I was a righty in my playing days but messed up my right wrist. Since retiring at age 25 I've occasionally shot around left-handed. Haven't worked on my lefty pump fake, though.
Do you live in Maine?
codytaylor567 Yes. And it's a great place to live and ref, even if the Durham Community School gym occasionally smells like feet.
Nice hops for a 50 year old dude.
Easy now. I was 35 when I filmed these.
2:08 spell foot with food
OLD FIBA RULES
IAABO circa 2010
how about the step back of james harden
The NBA rules and applications are more permissive than IAABO. Regardless, the first 3 minutes of this compilation all look legal at any level: th-cam.com/video/F5n1NotT5Ik/w-d-xo.html
The NBA has ALMOST made travelling violations impossible to occur.
hahhaha don't use it... good advice .
Hahaha! Legal.
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Don't use it.
3:03 False. It was actually a doubld dribble before the travel
Haha that was supposed to be receiving a pass. Should have brought in an extra person.
This still isn't a travel. See top comment. If I have an established pivot foot I can lift that pivot as long as I dribble, pass or shoot before it returns to the floor. That's a National Federation High School rule. Who verified this?
Nick Rambo if u lift your pivot before you dribble it is a travel
A lot of these I would have called it a double dribble!☺