I was getting ready to say the same thing, but you beat me to the punch. However, I'm going to say it anyway! "This is a Bad Ass Move!" - Greg @ a better official. My new life quote stepping into 2020!!! Greg, you rock!
When I first started officiating, traveling was the call the caused me the most distress and pain. Our associations trainer gave me the best advice ever, 'I you have to think about it, it isn't traveling.' My accuracy greatly improved and I was able to start observing 'the whole play' and the fine points of traveling as illustrated in this video starting making sense. Thanks Scott!
"if you have to think about, it isnt a travel" That's the dumbest rule of thumb I've ever seen. That just means you don't understand the rules and lack experience
I’m a high school coach. There are great videos. I’m going to share them w my coaches and others. You make statement in this one you can’t travel while dribbling. I would add, you can’t travel w/o possession/control of the ball. I see that one more often. Crowd wants a travel when player has lost control. These are GREAT
I'm totally good with that travel call. I think it can be reasonably argued that the player maintained control of the ball, then with his right knee down and ball in his hands, he lifts up to his feet.
Its not his knee, because he picks up the ball when he is on his feet. But on which foot he stands first? On his left one, so thats his pivot foot. So which foot he is moving first? His left one! So thats the travel!
YMTC: White #13 fumbles the pass, then gains control with one knee on the ground (legal so far), but then he stands up which violates rule 4-44-5b. Travel. Great call by the official on a weird, unexpected play. By my calculations (each youtube frame is 1/30 of a second), so the time from when White 13 controls the ball until his knee leaves the floor is ~15/100 of a second, or 1.5 tenths of a second. Well done! That's much easier to see after watching the clip several times. It caught me by surprise when watching it the first time--not sure what I would have called or not called in the heat of the moment. Greg, thanks for working over the Christmas break so I can enjoy my coffee and watch plays on a lazy Friday morning!
I agree with the travel call. The hands were clear of the ball from lying on the floor until kneeling but he still had one knee on the floor with the ball in his hand.
Hi, Greg! Great video. Just sent it to my new incoming class and posted on an AAU FANS group page. I am always correcting them on something. LOL Good job!
At 5:21 "Holding the ball" Is this with both hands? Dribble terminated. But the dribble is also terminated if the ball is supported on the hand underneath the ball. In other words, comes to rest in the palm of the hand. "Holding the ball" is not defined.
I wouldn't dispute my co-officials call for travel in this one, but if in my pca, I'm giving a no call. Timing of player control is too slight prior to him rising to his feet to make a judgment. We don't officiate the game in slo-motion, we officiate the game as it happens. Definite player control is attained once he rises to his feet.
You point a T shape with your hands in their direction. LOL. Ideally, you'll know who the school administrator is and you bring that up with them if it gets too crazy. Having a solid pregame conversation with the coaches will help some but of course you have to recognize that their players RAAAARELY violate and the other team should be in double bonus by the end of the first quarter!
re: fans, It is a point of emphasis this year in High School to identify your site administrator prior to the game. I know in many situations that is not practical, but it is the way we want the system to work. Have them deal with it.
Had to playback the “You make the call” clip to to slowest speed. After that, I agree with the travel. Player control established while knee was still on the floor. However, in real time, it would be difficult to judge. I’ve made a call like this before, and after the game the player came up to me and said “yeah, my knee was down.”
If his right knee is on the floor and he stands with possession of ball, that would make his left foot the pivot foot. Until he moves that foot without dribbling, no travel, correct? if a player has the ball on floor with both knees and stands up both knees have come off the floor....Travel! He picks it up with one foot (his left) on floor, making it a pivot foot as I understand the rule. Thats why a player sitting on ground cannot roll over. Their butt is the pivot point. They must begin a dribble or pass before standing. I'm basing this solely on NFHS rules only. Any thoughts?
I still don’t know about that play #4. Though he wasn’t dribbeling, both feet left the floor and he made what appears to be a shot, so he would have no longer had possession. But he wasn’t dribbeling so it can’t be a travel. In the moment, without the benefit of slowmo, I would have called a travel.
I'm a broadcaster and enjoy this channel a lot. Not trying to be picky but since we're often called upon to explain interpretations to viewers, I have a question about number 3: I totally get why you want skill plays in the game, but if the overall goal is consistency, how am I supposed to explain that 3 really isn't traveling because "it's a bad-ass move" that we want in our game? It just seems jarring to me. Thanks.
Just to close the irony circle on this: I had a situation in the game I called last night that was Video #2 in live action. Player hadn't given up the dribble on a drive, but had an unnatural skip in step and was called for traveling. I noted your maxim that you can't travel while you're dribbling. So call me a convert. :)
Trying to think of how it would not be a travel? If he stood up and I mean up not stooping over the ball and picks it up? Maybe but he does not have control of the ball when he hits the floor. He does place one hand on the ball soon after what I perceive as him standing up. Again alway difficult without knowing the rest of the game. I am good with calling travel in the 10 seconds of video.
Its not a travel because when he dove to the floor, he never established possesion(briefly touched the ball with one hand). He went to one knee, than established possession. He than established his pivot, and never came off of it.
Help me on the “Bad @$$” move. How can the pivot foot be established then picked up by the next step? Am I not counting 3 steps in that move? Or is it technically just 2? It falls under the “looks funny” category
@@beastmode-jd1em I read the rule, it's only a travel if they pick up their pivot foot, and then put it back down. Apparently everything else is perfectly fine.
I've been told it depends on the placement of the hand on the ball. Above the "equator" is clean, below is a travel. If you're not 100% sure, let it go. Hope that helps.
My opinion is this is a LEGAL Play. I believe as player let's go of the ball his left becomes the pivot foot. Yes, his right knee is coming off of the ground when he establishes his pivot foot; but his left pivot foot is not moving, LEGAL PLAY. He is coming up from the ground. SPECIAL NOTE: I don't believe it is a TRAVEL either when a player goes down on one knee if he/she maintains the other foot as the pivot foot and it has not moved.
It’s less about steps and more about the established pivot foot returning to the floor, hence the travel. He gathers the ball with his left foot (the pivot) on the floor, and makes a right, left stepback. When his pivot foot (the left) returns to the floor it’s a travel. His steps were the gather on his left, then the right foot, left foot stepback, a total of 3.
@@romanlajala2166 i would argue the fact that this video is taken in 2019, but isn't nowadays the officiating (and i think FIBA added it as well recently, 2020 i think it was?, im not sure about HS officiating) that you gathering the ball is with your last foot on the ground is seen as a zero step.
I assume this is a travel on the Michigan player because he actually caught the ball in both hands. Harden tends to let it float under his hand. Is that what allows him to have the staggered feet landing? I guess as long as the ball is not in his possession then it don't matter if both feet land at the same time or staggered?
If I was officiating, i would not have called the travel, although i believe it could be a 50/50 call. This is a very close play that would be completely legal if the player picks up the ball after his knee leaves the ground. Player control was never established before he picked it up. However, with the camera angle (and i’m guessing the official’s angle), it is really difficult to see exactly when the player has control relative to when his knee leaves the ground. Even when I slowed the video to the slowest youtube would let me, it still appeared as if it could have been before, after, or at the exact same time. Since I try to avoid making calls without being certain a foul or violation occurred, I would not have called a travel unless from my angle on the floor it was obvious that he had player control before the knee left the floor
I kinda feel like play 5 at full speed is pretty close to both feet hitting at the same time, not sure I would have called a travel at game speed. When you slow it down it is right foot left foot. I don't think I would have split hairs on this play. Just like the shifting pivot on the preceding play. Just my opinion.
Not if the layup is done correctly. For example: last dribble with left foot on ground, terminate dribble with right (pivot), step and jump off of left. Right (pivot) does not return to the floor = no travel.
In play 1, I thought the pump fake dribble was clearly fine. What really "looked funny" to me was the toe drag/bounce of the left foot before the pass. Still no travel though.
Play 4: Its a travel in my opinion. Why? Because he makes 4 contacts! Jumping up and down with both feet makes it like a powerstep. Here it is important if he lands simultaneously, right? Depending on how many contacts he has made before. It doesnt matter if you fumble, but you need to do it within the 3 contacts you got. So after the "powerstep", because he landed simultane, he moved his left food. Therefor he got a new pivot foot and moving foot, and the moving foot made up the 4th contact. But to have the powerstep option, you had to dribble first, otherwise you wont get the 3 contact rule. Catch and shoot wont work for this case. But nevertheless, its a travel, because he moves his feet after he got down again. You can only fumble the ball within the 3 contact rule, like in play 2.
is there a rule that says you have to regain control within the 3 contacts? My whole life this was called a travel, but the video is making me rethink it..... On an intentional shot fumble, it's more like a rebound...seems like he's got a point. But imagine a player just tossing the ball up and then stepping to go grab it. could "fumble" it all across the court.
Real time, I would not have called the travel because I don’t believe it’s completely obvious that he gains control of the ball with his knee on the ground. Watching it in slow-mo you can see his knee is down for a split second when he controls the ball, but if you can barely see it in slow-mo, it’s not going to truly affect the game in my opinion.
I was wondering the same. It sure looks like he left his feet. Wouldn't that be a travel, regardless if he fumbles the ball? I thought play 3 was a travel as well
Correct. Play #4 is not a travel. It is a fumble even after he's already left his feet. Once the ball is fumbled, you can't travel. The key is the referee's judgment in determining whether this was a fumble (accidentally losing the ball--legal), or intentionally dropping the ball to gain some advantage. For example, if a player jumps to pass and then realizes his teammate isn't looking so he drops the ball to try to start a dribble. In this case, it would be traveling. But accidentally losing the ball is a legal fumble and shouldn't be penalized.
Did not catch the ball in the air, was on both feet and then jumped to two feet to his shooting position. Jumped and on jumping lost control of the ball, collected the ball after landing TRAVEL... this is what is wrong with the NBA. The amount of incorrect pass gathers that choose a pivot foot while on the run and then change after two steps.... PISSES me off, clean it up, whatever foot you LAND on is YOUR pivot foot. Literally, three steps are taken by the majority of NBA players every game....
Third step is legal because the first step is negated by the gather step. What really allows the gather step to become vague is what’s called the continuation dribble where you’re allowed to take as many steps as you want before you either continue dribbling or choose to start your gather step by placing both hands onto the ball
If A1 clearly had possession of the ball on the floor, let go of the ball, stood up & was 1st to touch the ball, it would be a travel. CB 4-44-5-B. However, if A1 did not have possession of the ball while on the floor, it is not a travel. Here, A1 stopped the ball with his hand but he did not possess the ball while on the floor. Therefore, this is not a travel. If you not sure of possession, do not guess, and/or err on the side it is not a violation. Plays that look weird, unusual or ugly are not necessarily violations. It is better to have errors of "omission" than errors of "commission." Only blow your whistle when you KNOW its a foul or violation. This is especially true in the last 4 minutes of a game. We cannot be wrong when we blow the whistle in the last 4 min b/c we are taking a possession away from a team (in this case it was a 1 possession game) & the team does not have time to make up for our mistake. in the last 4 minutes, call OBVIOUS fouls & violations. This is not an OBVIOUS Violation, in fact it is a legal play. This is an IC.
play 4: player loses the ball while both feet leave the ground and then catches the ball again. This should be a travel because a player could jump in the air and "lose" or throw the ball in a certain direction that may give him an advantage and then catch the ball and shoot it again. Thus this should be a travel
@@BetterOfficials No, referring to the White team (3 point attempt), catch ball, go up for jump shot, both feet leave the ground, lose ball while airborne, land back on ground and gain possession again. Are you saying that during his attempt he loss the ball before leaving the ground?
Travel. White 13 gained control of the basketball while on the floor and touching other than hand or foot (knee) and then stood up, violating Rule 4-44-5-a, b.
No call. You can see his hand touch the ball but that doesn't mean "has control or possession." His hand immediately slips off, plus does he gain anything from the slide? No, it's a no call.
NOT A TRAVEL #4 ..But If You Called It NO ONE WOULD BITCH PERIOD ! BUT IT IS LEGAL 100% If He Did Not FUMBLE And Went Up & Down Travel ..Or CAUGHT THE BALL CLEARLY AND DROPPED IT ON PURPOSE !! A1 CANNOT ! BE THE 1ST TO TOUCH TRAVEL ..OR JUMP IN THE AIR 1ST .. THEN START A DRIBBLE 100 TRAVEL THEN !
Your comments on some of this are not helpful. For example, on play #3 you don’t mention the step through. You should’ve made it clear that the step through is a legal play. And on #4 you don’t even mention that the players left foot did not leave the floor. If his left foot had left the floor that would’ve been a travel. You should’ve made that clear. These are obvious things that you should’ve commented, but you didn’t even mention them..
Play 5: Its not a travel in my opinion. If you take the ball up, than you get a pivot foot and than you can make 2 more contacts! Period. You dont get a new pivot foot!? You only get a pivot foot one time. So the difference is, that if you have a pivot foot and a moving foot, that makes 2 contacts with the floor. Therefor you are allowed 1 other contact. But in play 5 he took the ball up, got his pivot foot, but never settled for the moving foot and jumped right up from his pivot foot for 2 more contacts. If thats not legal no layup with 3 contacts on the floor would be legal. So when do you need to land simultaneously? If you have made a star step, thats 2 contacts. You are allowed one more contact, so you are allowed to land on both feets simultane, which will count as one contact. Called a powerstep. The diffrence here is, whereas he keeps up his moving feet or not. Actually one only gets a pivot foot, if the moving foot settles around. Otherwise its the 3 contact rule. If you would like to, you can jump 3 steps with one foot and wouldnt get a new pivot foot, its than just 3 contacts. Actually you cant get any new pivot foot if you put the ball up, because its just the contacts counted after getting your pivot foot loose. The other circumstance is, if you put the ball down for dribble. You have to decide: Getting the ball up, pivot foot doesnt matter, only the 2 contacts after loosing your pivot foot. And if your putting down for dribble, than you can only get rid of your pivot foot with the ball touching the ground. Why? Because your allowed 3 contacts after pulling the dribble up. In fact its pretty easy, but with the pivot foot the confusing starts. Putting the ball up or down, thats the diffrence. In play 5 he puts the ball up for shooting, so he got 3 contacts and thats what he made, because he jumped right to his moving foot and never settled his moving foot for a second contact before the jump.
You make the call? not a travel. player literally was not touch the ball as he got to his feet and then picked it up. Stopped ball from rolling, left ball on the ground therefore No possession, can't travel.
You lost my respect and potential viewership. Whether or not a violation has occured dors MOST CERTAINLY NOT depend upon the skill level of the ball carrier. Red #5 most assuredly hopped on her left foot after picking up her dribble. Plus, in the next clip, the shotter DID jump in the air while losing the ball. Since a shot must hit either a rim, backboard, or opponent before the shooter may touch it again, easy travel call. He jumped into the air and let go of the ball...
Why interject your self into the game. 13 white displayed great control and it was obvious he had full knowledge of the rule by getting up properly and expeditiously, so why call something that was border line and not obvious to the an untrained eye.
"This is a Bad Ass Move"... Love it!
I was getting ready to say the same thing, but you beat me to the punch. However, I'm going to say it anyway! "This is a Bad Ass Move!" - Greg @ a better official. My new life quote stepping into 2020!!! Greg, you rock!
When I first started officiating, traveling was the call the caused me the most distress and pain. Our associations trainer gave me the best advice ever, 'I you have to think about it, it isn't traveling.' My accuracy greatly improved and I was able to start observing 'the whole play' and the fine points of traveling as illustrated in this video starting making sense. Thanks Scott!
Agreed. I'm a new official and traveling has been the hardest call to be consistent with.
Love it!
"if you have to think about, it isnt a travel"
That's the dumbest rule of thumb I've ever seen. That just means you don't understand the rules and lack experience
I’m a high school coach. There are great videos. I’m going to share them w my coaches and others.
You make statement in this one you can’t travel while dribbling. I would add, you can’t travel w/o possession/control of the ball. I see that one more often. Crowd wants a travel when player has lost control.
These are GREAT
Hi Rick! Great to hear. We would like to make more content that is accessible for coaches at all levels.
I'm totally good with that travel call. I think it can be reasonably argued that the player maintained control of the ball, then with his right knee down and ball in his hands, he lifts up to his feet.
Its not his knee, because he picks up the ball when he is on his feet. But on which foot he stands first? On his left one, so thats his pivot foot. So which foot he is moving first? His left one! So thats the travel!
YMTC: White #13 fumbles the pass, then gains control with one knee on the ground (legal so far), but then he stands up which violates rule 4-44-5b. Travel. Great call by the official on a weird, unexpected play. By my calculations (each youtube frame is 1/30 of a second), so the time from when White 13 controls the ball until his knee leaves the floor is ~15/100 of a second, or 1.5 tenths of a second. Well done! That's much easier to see after watching the clip several times. It caught me by surprise when watching it the first time--not sure what I would have called or not called in the heat of the moment.
Greg, thanks for working over the Christmas break so I can enjoy my coffee and watch plays on a lazy Friday morning!
I agree with the travel call. The hands were clear of the ball from lying on the floor until kneeling but he still had one knee on the floor with the ball in his hand.
Knee was on the floor when he took control of the ball, then he stood up. Good call on the travel.
Travel 4-44 art 5b. Player gains control of the ball while on the floor may not attempt to get up or stand.
I have the right knee still on the floor when he gains player control, so I agree with the travel call.
"This is a Bad Ass Move!" - Greg @ a better official. My new life quote stepping into 2020!!! Greg, you rock!
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Thank you Michael!
Hi, Greg! Great video. Just sent it to my new incoming class and posted on an AAU FANS group page. I am always correcting them on something. LOL Good job!
Wading into aau fan group?? You are very brave! LOL
@@BetterOfficials Education is needed badly in that group. They listen though.
At 5:21 "Holding the ball" Is this with both hands? Dribble terminated. But the dribble is also terminated if the ball is supported on the hand underneath the ball. In other words, comes to rest in the palm of the hand. "Holding the ball" is not defined.
I wouldn't dispute my co-officials call for travel in this one, but if in my pca, I'm giving a no call. Timing of player control is too slight prior to him rising to his feet to make a judgment. We don't officiate the game in slo-motion, we officiate the game as it happens. Definite player control is attained once he rises to his feet.
I agree. Unless ur absolutely certian his knee was down and communicate that as such I wouldn't call it. 3pt game too.
Can you do pointers to help with disruptive parents and coaches
You point a T shape with your hands in their direction. LOL. Ideally, you'll know who the school administrator is and you bring that up with them if it gets too crazy. Having a solid pregame conversation with the coaches will help some but of course you have to recognize that their players RAAAARELY violate and the other team should be in double bonus by the end of the first quarter!
re: fans, It is a point of emphasis this year in High School to identify your site administrator prior to the game.
I know in many situations that is not practical, but it is the way we want the system to work. Have them deal with it.
2019-20 NFHS. Section 23 ART 2a. This is in regards to the final play block/charge.
YMTC: It’s a travel but can we get a Globetrotter slide for comparison next week?
Had to playback the “You make the call” clip to to slowest speed. After that, I agree with the travel. Player control established while knee was still on the floor.
However, in real time, it would be difficult to judge. I’ve made a call like this before, and after the game the player came up to me and said “yeah, my knee was down.”
If his right knee is on the floor and he stands with possession of ball, that would make his left foot the pivot foot. Until he moves that foot without dribbling, no travel, correct?
if a player has the ball on floor with both knees and stands up both knees have come off the floor....Travel! He picks it up with one foot (his left) on floor, making it a pivot foot as I understand the rule.
Thats why a player sitting on ground cannot roll over. Their butt is the pivot point. They must begin a dribble or pass before standing.
I'm basing this solely on NFHS rules only. Any thoughts?
I still don’t know about that play #4. Though he wasn’t dribbeling, both feet left the floor and he made what appears to be a shot, so he would have no longer had possession. But he wasn’t dribbeling so it can’t be a travel. In the moment, without the benefit of slowmo, I would have called a travel.
I'm a broadcaster and enjoy this channel a lot. Not trying to be picky but since we're often called upon to explain interpretations to viewers, I have a question about number 3:
I totally get why you want skill plays in the game, but if the overall goal is consistency, how am I supposed to explain that 3 really isn't traveling because "it's a bad-ass move" that we want in our game? It just seems jarring to me. Thanks.
Hi Jeff. The move is performed with such dexterity that it deserves to not be deemed illegal unless there was *obvious* violation.
One other point.
Of the US system of justice it is said that better that 10 go free than 1 convicted unjustly. That applies here as well.
@@BetterOfficials Fair enough!
Just to close the irony circle on this: I had a situation in the game I called last night that was Video #2 in live action. Player hadn't given up the dribble on a drive, but had an unnatural skip in step and was called for traveling. I noted your maxim that you can't travel while you're dribbling. So call me a convert. :)
Trying to think of how it would not be a travel? If he stood up and I mean up not stooping over the ball and picks it up? Maybe but he does not have control of the ball when he hits the floor. He does place one hand on the ball soon after what I perceive as him standing up. Again alway difficult without knowing the rest of the game. I am good with calling travel in the 10 seconds of video.
Its not a travel because when he dove to the floor, he never established possesion(briefly touched the ball with one hand). He went to one knee, than established possession. He than established his pivot, and never came off of it.
On play 5, the second example of a legal move, could the player have taken another step w his left foot and shoot legally?
Help me on the “Bad @$$” move. How can the pivot foot be established then picked up by the next step? Am I not counting 3 steps in that move? Or is it technically just 2? It falls under the “looks funny” category
Pivot foot can always be lifted. Lifted. Legal.
Pivot foot may not be returned to the floor. Returned is what becomes illegal.
Did it used to be picking up the pivot foot was travelling? That got called a lot when I played in the 90's.
@@1Outis1 only if picking it up and then starting a dribble. Picking it up to pass or shoot....legal
@@beastmode-jd1em I read the rule, it's only a travel if they pick up their pivot foot, and then put it back down. Apparently everything else is perfectly fine.
When she stops her dribble she hasn’t established a pivot foot . She actually jumps off her pivot foot . In real time that would be hard to see
Is that spin move with ball off the floor and in hand not a carry?
I've been told it depends on the placement of the hand on the ball. Above the "equator" is clean, below is a travel. If you're not 100% sure, let it go. Hope that helps.
My opinion is this is a LEGAL Play. I believe as player let's go of the ball his left becomes the pivot foot. Yes, his right knee is coming off of the ground when he establishes his pivot foot; but his left pivot foot is not moving, LEGAL PLAY. He is coming up from the ground. SPECIAL NOTE: I don't believe it is a TRAVEL either when a player goes down on one knee if he/she maintains the other foot as the pivot foot and it has not moved.
Your "buy us a coffee" video link shows up during the transition. I think you can fix this in the youtube editor.
Great training
Glad you think so!
Question - for the illegal step back by player "yellow 3", why wouldn't it be considered taking 2 steps after dribbling?
It’s less about steps and more about the established pivot foot returning to the floor, hence the travel. He gathers the ball with his left foot (the pivot) on the floor, and makes a right, left stepback. When his pivot foot (the left) returns to the floor it’s a travel. His steps were the gather on his left, then the right foot, left foot stepback, a total of 3.
@@romanlajala2166 i would argue the fact that this video is taken in 2019, but isn't nowadays the officiating (and i think FIBA added it as well recently, 2020 i think it was?, im not sure about HS officiating) that you gathering the ball is with your last foot on the ground is seen as a zero step.
@@purekel FIBA yes, HS no
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I assume this is a travel on the Michigan player because he actually caught the ball in both hands. Harden tends to let it float under his hand. Is that what allows him to have the staggered feet landing? I guess as long as the ball is not in his possession then it don't matter if both feet land at the same time or staggered?
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On play 4, after regaining his fumble, would the player be allowed a dribble? I’d say yes since he had never started one before his fumble. Correct?
Correct. No restriction preventing a dribble. The place would have loved it!! LOL.
@@BetterOfficials I’d soon be referencing Basketball Rules Expert - Bench Technical Fouls!
Lolz.
If I was officiating, i would not have called the travel, although i believe it could be a 50/50 call. This is a very close play that would be completely legal if the player picks up the ball after his knee leaves the ground. Player control was never established before he picked it up. However, with the camera angle (and i’m guessing the official’s angle), it is really difficult to see exactly when the player has control relative to when his knee leaves the ground. Even when I slowed the video to the slowest youtube would let me, it still appeared as if it could have been before, after, or at the exact same time. Since I try to avoid making calls without being certain a foul or violation occurred, I would not have called a travel unless from my angle on the floor it was obvious that he had player control before the knee left the floor
I kinda feel like play 5 at full speed is pretty close to both feet hitting at the same time, not sure I would have called a travel at game speed. When you slow it down it is right foot left foot. I don't think I would have split hairs on this play. Just like the shifting pivot on the preceding play. Just my opinion.
How can you make a travel call on a spin move and not on the traditional layup? The pivot returns to the floor.
Not if the layup is done correctly. For example: last dribble with left foot on ground, terminate dribble with right (pivot), step and jump off of left. Right (pivot) does not return to the floor = no travel.
Another fantastic video!!!!
To be in legal guarding position 2 feet on the ground with the torso facing the defender.
In play 1, I thought the pump fake dribble was clearly fine. What really "looked funny" to me was the toe drag/bounce of the left foot before the pass. Still no travel though.
Play 4: Its a travel in my opinion. Why? Because he makes 4 contacts! Jumping up and down with both feet makes it like a powerstep. Here it is important if he lands simultaneously, right? Depending on how many contacts he has made before. It doesnt matter if you fumble, but you need to do it within the 3 contacts you got. So after the "powerstep", because he landed simultane, he moved his left food. Therefor he got a new pivot foot and moving foot, and the moving foot made up the 4th contact. But to have the powerstep option, you had to dribble first, otherwise you wont get the 3 contact rule. Catch and shoot wont work for this case. But nevertheless, its a travel, because he moves his feet after he got down again. You can only fumble the ball within the 3 contact rule, like in play 2.
is there a rule that says you have to regain control within the 3 contacts? My whole life this was called a travel, but the video is making me rethink it..... On an intentional shot fumble, it's more like a rebound...seems like he's got a point. But imagine a player just tossing the ball up and then stepping to go grab it. could "fumble" it all across the court.
Real time, I would not have called the travel because I don’t believe it’s completely obvious that he gains control of the ball with his knee on the ground. Watching it in slow-mo you can see his knee is down for a split second when he controls the ball, but if you can barely see it in slow-mo, it’s not going to truly affect the game in my opinion.
I get called for number one all the time is there anyway to prevent this
Tough one. Officials need to be trained to pick up the pivot foot. If they don't, they are left with the 'looked funny' realm.
what about a video about "referee the littlest" ? like 11 yo first time basketball players with heated family in the background :D
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So, Play 4 is not a travel?
I was wondering the same. It sure looks like he left his feet. Wouldn't that be a travel, regardless if he fumbles the ball? I thought play 3 was a travel as well
Correct. Play #4 is not a travel. It is a fumble even after he's already left his feet. Once the ball is fumbled, you can't travel. The key is the referee's judgment in determining whether this was a fumble (accidentally losing the ball--legal), or intentionally dropping the ball to gain some advantage. For example, if a player jumps to pass and then realizes his teammate isn't looking so he drops the ball to try to start a dribble. In this case, it would be traveling. But accidentally losing the ball is a legal fumble and shouldn't be penalized.
I disagree with 7:49 he catch the ball with 2 feet on ground then jumps and then travel.
Did not catch the ball in the air, was on both feet and then jumped to two feet to his shooting position. Jumped and on jumping lost control of the ball, collected the ball after landing TRAVEL... this is what is wrong with the NBA. The amount of incorrect pass gathers that choose a pivot foot while on the run and then change after two steps.... PISSES me off, clean it up, whatever foot you LAND on is YOUR pivot foot. Literally, three steps are taken by the majority of NBA players every game....
Third step is legal because the first step is negated by the gather step. What really allows the gather step to become vague is what’s called the continuation dribble where you’re allowed to take as many steps as you want before you either continue dribbling or choose to start your gather step by placing both hands onto the ball
The OT plays. I have a traveling violation on white.
If A1 clearly had possession of the ball on the floor, let go of the ball, stood up & was 1st to touch the ball, it would be a travel. CB 4-44-5-B. However, if A1 did not have possession of the ball while on the floor, it is not a travel. Here, A1 stopped the ball with his hand but he did not possess the ball while on the floor. Therefore, this is not a travel. If you not sure of possession, do not guess, and/or err on the side it is not a violation. Plays that look weird, unusual or ugly are not necessarily violations. It is better to have errors of "omission" than errors of "commission." Only blow your whistle when you KNOW its a foul or violation. This is especially true in the last 4 minutes of a game. We cannot be wrong when we blow the whistle in the last 4 min b/c we are taking a possession away from a team (in this case it was a 1 possession game) & the team does not have time to make up for our mistake. in the last 4 minutes, call OBVIOUS fouls & violations. This is not an OBVIOUS Violation, in fact it is a legal play. This is an IC.
GRET CALL GREG ! DEF MOVED TOO LATE ! I HAD THIS EXACT PLAY TUESDAY NIGHT BLOCK ! I GOT BOOED 🤣🤣🤣
Boooooorze lane?
While on the floor with the ball, a player cannot let go of the ball, in order to stand up. And then grab the ball. That is in the rule book. Travel.
Correct the play is in the NFHS case book
play 4: player loses the ball while both feet leave the ground and then catches the ball again. This should be a travel because a player could jump in the air and "lose" or throw the ball in a certain direction that may give him an advantage and then catch the ball and shoot it again. Thus this should be a travel
I was thinking the same thing. But it was an obvious fumble, which is different than intentionally "fumbling" it to avoid dribbling.
Red 5 moved the pivot foot period .
I would like more explanation of how play 4 was not a travel
The stepback? I have jump off 1 foot land on 2 feet. Legal.
@@BetterOfficials No, referring to the White team (3 point attempt), catch ball, go up for jump shot, both feet leave the ground, lose ball while airborne, land back on ground and gain possession again. Are you saying that during his attempt he loss the ball before leaving the ground?
The Michigan player traveled cuz in NCAA and below there is no gather step allowed next level (FIBA/NBA) he’d have been fine
Travel. White 13 gained control of the basketball while on the floor and touching other than hand or foot (knee) and then stood up, violating Rule 4-44-5-a, b.
No call. You can see his hand touch the ball but that doesn't mean "has control or possession." His hand immediately slips off, plus does he gain anything from the slide? No, it's a no call.
Legal. No possession until he stood up.
Agreed!
Seems like that one call wasa up and down.
That’s a travel, jumping for a shot and landing again without making shot.
#5 100% TRAVEL
#6 Legal When You Jump off 1 Foot And Land On BOTH FEET SIMULTANEOUSLY LEGAL ! HE MAY NOT STEP WITH EITHER FOOT PERIOD !
NOT A TRAVEL #4 ..But If You Called It NO ONE WOULD BITCH PERIOD ! BUT IT IS LEGAL 100% If He Did Not FUMBLE And Went Up & Down Travel ..Or CAUGHT THE BALL CLEARLY AND DROPPED IT ON PURPOSE !! A1 CANNOT ! BE THE 1ST TO TOUCH TRAVEL ..OR JUMP IN THE AIR 1ST .. THEN START A DRIBBLE 100 TRAVEL THEN !
WHEN ANY PLAY LIKE THIS IS SOOOO CLOSE I GOT A BLOCK 99.9% OF THE TIME !
Disagree with travel call on the You Make the Call clip. Player doesn’t have possession of the ball, stands up, picks up ball. All legal
Your comments on some of this are not helpful. For example, on play #3 you don’t mention the step through. You should’ve made it clear that the step through is a legal play. And on #4 you don’t even mention that the players left foot did not leave the floor. If his left foot had left the floor that would’ve been a travel. You should’ve made that clear. These are obvious things that you should’ve commented, but you didn’t even mention them..
Travel....there was a slide then he got up.
Play 5: Its not a travel in my opinion. If you take the ball up, than you get a pivot foot and than you can make 2 more contacts! Period. You dont get a new pivot foot!? You only get a pivot foot one time. So the difference is, that if you have a pivot foot and a moving foot, that makes 2 contacts with the floor. Therefor you are allowed 1 other contact. But in play 5 he took the ball up, got his pivot foot, but never settled for the moving foot and jumped right up from his pivot foot for 2 more contacts. If thats not legal no layup with 3 contacts on the floor would be legal. So when do you need to land simultaneously? If you have made a star step, thats 2 contacts. You are allowed one more contact, so you are allowed to land on both feets simultane, which will count as one contact. Called a powerstep. The diffrence here is, whereas he keeps up his moving feet or not. Actually one only gets a pivot foot, if the moving foot settles around. Otherwise its the 3 contact rule. If you would like to, you can jump 3 steps with one foot and wouldnt get a new pivot foot, its than just 3 contacts. Actually you cant get any new pivot foot if you put the ball up, because its just the contacts counted after getting your pivot foot loose. The other circumstance is, if you put the ball down for dribble. You have to decide: Getting the ball up, pivot foot doesnt matter, only the 2 contacts after loosing your pivot foot. And if your putting down for dribble, than you can only get rid of your pivot foot with the ball touching the ground. Why? Because your allowed 3 contacts after pulling the dribble up. In fact its pretty easy, but with the pivot foot the confusing starts. Putting the ball up or down, thats the diffrence. In play 5 he puts the ball up for shooting, so he got 3 contacts and thats what he made, because he jumped right to his moving foot and never settled his moving foot for a second contact before the jump.
You make the call? not a travel. player literally was not touch the ball as he got to his feet and then picked it up. Stopped ball from rolling, left ball on the ground therefore No possession, can't travel.
Legal, no travel
No travel did not collect the ball.
Travel, player had possession and then stood and picked up the ball.
SO FAR NOOOOO TRAVELS 1ST 3 !
Travel. Player gained control of the ball while knee was on the floor and rose to his feet.
TRAVEL 100% ! HE HAD TO DRIBBLE THE BALL 1ST PERIOD !!!
You lost my respect and potential viewership. Whether or not a violation has occured dors MOST CERTAINLY NOT depend upon the skill level of the ball carrier. Red #5 most assuredly hopped on her left foot after picking up her dribble.
Plus, in the next clip, the shotter DID jump in the air while losing the ball. Since a shot must hit either a rim, backboard, or opponent before the shooter may touch it again, easy travel call. He jumped into the air and let go of the ball...
travel
Why interject your self into the game. 13 white displayed great control and it was obvious he had full knowledge of the rule by getting up properly and expeditiously, so why call something that was border line and not obvious to the an untrained eye.
Let the kids play. Heavy handed officials ruin all the sports.