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@@TheAfricanGrey facts 💯💯 sadie the only mf who can make me bawl my eyes out and i seriously wanted to believe 001 at first and then SIKE😭 like i knew he was sus because he was always acting strange but once he started helping Eleven i was like “ok maybe he’s jus a weird guy” but NOPE😭
I know we still have 2 episodes on the way but this is definitely my favorite season of Stranger Things so far. Everything is pushed to the next level and alot darker which I love. Jamie and Sadie were my favorites this season. Their performances were incredible. July can’t come soon enough.
@@TrackThisYT He/she already watched the 7 ep thats why He/She said that there's two ep left and the fact that its already explained that he/she have watched the 7 Ep cuz of this reaction vid💀 idk why u have to comment that when thats his/her point
Love your reactions! Interesting fact if you didn't know, Jamie was in the Vecna costume as well and was doing that terrifying voice with no modifier or anything. When I found that out I was so impressed, he's so talented. He said the costume and makeup took about 7 and a half hours to put on and there was hardly any CGI at all. I have a whole new respect for him after listening to his interview about the process of getting the role and getting into the headspace and the process.
@@Mcherri I know! My mind is still blown, I have no idea how he did that cause I could never imagine anyone’s voice being able to sound like that with no voice modifier so I’m incredibly impressed. I’m just so happy he’s in this I’ve loved him since he was in twilight and the mortal instruments😁
@@paigeporter2289 yeah but he is a singer so he can change his voice and pitch I have heard his new single and he is singing in a very low pitch. I missed him to loved him in mortal instruments.
@@Mcherri yesss I love his music too I also listened to his new song and thought the same thing! So proud of him and can’t wait to see him do more things:)
I was completely mind blown by that ending! Episodes 4 and 7 were the best episodes in S4 P1! I had figured out he was 001 in the previous episode but I had no idea he would be Vecna and the Creel son!
Exactly! I knew he was 001 the second that he started talking about 001 to Eleven in the flashback and how “it didn’t turn out well for number 1” but the reveal that he was Henry Creel and Vecna was very unexpected
I mean that's just kinda a normal thing in the military to get information and it's not like he's going around killing random civilians like he thinks 11 is that's not a good comparison
Just thought I’d say it actually WASNT Robert Englund voicing Vecna, it was the actor who played 001. The same actor was vecna under the prosthetics the entire time.
@@LatetotheParty sorry didn’t mean to be negative just wanted to inform, didn’t see the other comments. Really love watching you guys’ reactions with this series a lot.
I had theorized that Vecna had actually created the upside down (or at least molded it into the mirror dimension that it is) building it from the minds and memories of the victims he absorbs. Which is why certain things are 'frozen' at particular points in time, because they were the last memory of those places from the victims he's drawn upon.
I had a feeling that Peter was secretly 001, and that he was also Vecna. But it completely threw me for a loop that he was also Henry Creel. I don't think I've ever seen a character get a triple-twist reveal before, and it's mindblowing.
I really love how Hop reacted to seeing Joyce for the first time. At first he didn’t really react, like he couldn’t believe it was actually her. Then hugging and smiling knowing it’s really her.
@@potat0chip exactly. They never went on that date so it would of felt out of place. I think once they do, then we will get that kiss between them. But I mean giving the circumstances, they were just happy to see each other.
Jamie Campbell Bower did such a great job with his character and it builds toward his reveal as Vecna. Duffer Brothers giving us mini movies. Eleven is back! Joyce and Hopper back together is great.
Not sure exactly how but I think they will use the time split that was brought up in Nancy‘s room to explain why Vecna has not been involved until now.
Man I really felt like crying seeing El back in the Hawking Lab. All the scenes where a mirror was involved and we saw the reflection of young El, were such a heartbreaking reminder just HOW young El was when she had to endure all that. Sure, we saw El grow up and know her as a teen now (+ saw that version for the majority while she's reliving the past) but the fight with 01 and all the bullying actually happened when she was just so tiny :((
33:58 When the machines start buzzing and Papa says “It’s Happening” gives off Matrix vibe as Neo comes back to life in the hallway as Morpheus says “He is The One” but in this instance it’s “She is The Eleven”
i don't think it's over for max, 001, vecna, peter or whatever you want to call him seems like the kinda guy who holds a grudge, he's not just gonna be like "oh well she got away" and just leave it, i'm also left wondering if the amount of power on display from 11 and 001 somehow created the upsidedown
Part 1 is incredible. Seeing how Vecna uses people’s internalized emotional trauma against them is fascinating. Love the Vecna storyline as an allegory for trauma and depression. Really pulling for Nancy to survive this. And her “Hey there” in her hero pose as she smacked that demon bat away from Steve was kind of iconic.
remember when robin found those old tapes nancy had, i think thats how they will save her, eddie could be the one to play it wish his guitar. the guitar is in eddies trailer. also i feel they are setting steve up to die saving nancy as she saved him and his prior conversation with eddie will urge him to sacrifice himself.
Dude, I’m high rn and reading this comment literally made my stomach drop I felt such anxiety. I genuinely don’t think I will be able to handle Steve scarifying himself for Nancy that’s honestly heartbreaking
I think Eddie is going to sacrifice himself. He has a swarm of bats tattooed on his arm .. I think its a foreshadowing of his death .. He will play his guitar to help the others escape but will be attacked and killed himself :( He was talking about how he isn't brave as well ... always runs away. He's going to finally be brave but it'll cost him his life ... I hope I'm not right ..
@@TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie theres actually a shot in the vol 2 trailer where robin, steve, nancy have finally got weapons, maybe eddie died prior to this scene, as hes not with them. they also seem to be in the creel house!
With all of the references to Nightmare on Elm Street this season, I don't think it's a stretch to assume Eleven meeting One in the boiler room to plan their escape is a nod as well, especially considering that One is revealed to be Vecna. I loved all of the references and nods this season.
I’d take this with a grain of salt, I feel like Vecna/Henry/Peter/001 found inspiration from the red rose that was on the creel’s house front door to create the demogorgons in the Upside Down. Because if you think about it, the demogorgon opens its mouth like a flower. Like I said, take this with a grain of salt.
@@acandycrushsagajourney6215 Spiders are his inspiration right? So I guess instead of feeding his megalomania in the Upside Down, Henry found God... in a way
Baby 11 was able to beat the orderly (can't remember his name) by thinking of a happy memory with her mother, kind of like when Max was able to get away from Vecna by thinking of the happy memories of hanging out with her friends.
Yep 001 tells eleven that to be str9nger you need to think about things that anger you, because anger is a strong emotion. But the reason el was able to beat him then just like she is going too again is because unlike him she experiences the emotion of love and that emotion is the strongest of all emotions.
The final scene really impressed me with the reveal of who Vecna was but now I'm a little frustrated because now we have to wait until next month to see what happens next. I'm really hoping Nancy gets out as I really love her character.
Questions raised -where exactly did 11 send 1? That wasn’t the upside down, so where was that? Did 1 possibly create the upside down? -who really is in charge of the upside down? Vecna or the Mind Flayer? -where was Vecna all this time? He’s been around since the very beginning of all of this? -he said his parents did awful things, we know what his dad did, but what did his mom do? I feel there’s more to that story. We know little to nothing about his mom. He said she recognized he was bad, but it never really showed that. -why did he kill his sister? What horrible thing did she possibly do? -why did Brenner keep him around? Why didn’t 1 wax Papa the second he realized he was being used by him? If 11 couldn’t kill him, but instead pushed him into whatever realm that was, then is he killable at all? IMO Vecna is the main bad, and if he isn’t, Papa is. Like why didn’t he kill Papa? Surely that would’ve been his main target? Sus
not sure about the other questions, but 001 didnt wax Papa because Papa put that little inhibitor chip in his neck. In the scene after El pulls it out of his neck, he looks at it and says "how did something so small cause so much trouble", and then only after that does he use his powers and attack the guards, so apparently Brenner knows how to make technology that can stop 001's powers. Maybe they can use that tech again.
- It was the upside down. Upside down has been there for millions of years, as Dustin said that Upside down may predate Dinosaurs. El just opened a gate while attacking 001. - Probably MindFlayer is incharge of Upside down and Vecna is his guard or soldier sort of something. - MindFlayer has been trying to takeover the world ever since El/commies opened the gate. And every time they(Vecna/MindFlayer/Demogorgan) killed someone it probably made Vecna stronger. With every kill Vecna's power increased and so the chances of coming back to this world. - Maybe Brenner had something big planned for 001 and since Brenner had inhibited 001's power, he thought he might be harmless. - At that time El was young, she herself had no idea how powerful she is. So she had no control over her power and unknowingly created a portal between the two worlds. - I feel when he killed everyone, Brenner was in a room with that kid so he destroyed that room and Brenner got hurt with the door so he might have assumed that Brenner's dead. Or maybe since Brenner knew how to inhibit 001's power, he might have known of a way where these powers won't work on him. He was with so many kids with powers and tortured them but none of them ever attacked Brenner. Like in that scene with 002. If 002 was this powerful why didn't he fight back when Brenner was punishing him. Maybe there's something more to him than just being a doctor.
Why do you think it wasn't the Upside Down, with everything going on it would be weird for it to be another place. When Eleven sends him there she leaves the gate behind. Obviously it looks somewhat different, at least the parts we see, so maybe 1 molded the Upside Down into the dark version of Hawkins we know. I think the Mind Flayer is the main big bad, the Upside Down is an alien dimension that's possibly aeons old. The Mind Flayer is an eldritch being with unknowable motives, while Vecna is ultimately just a powerful human psychic serial killer. As for why he hasn't been seen earlier there could be various reasons. It's only been 7 years, possibly he needed to gather his strength first, and needed to learn how to use his powers telepathically from the Upside Down. As for why he killed his mother and sister, because he could? Not all of his victims seem to follow the same pattern. Fred, Max and Nancy felt guilty, but we didn't see that with Chrissy. And apart from the bullies most of the kids at the lab don't fit that profile either. I think the Mind Flayer is the main big bad, the Upside Down is an alien dimension that's possibly aeons old. The Mind Flayer is an eldritch being with unknowable motives, while Vecna is ultimately a powerful human psychic serial killer. As for why he hasn't been seen earlier there could be various reasons. It's only been 7 years, possibly he needed to gather his strength first, and needed to learn how to use his powers telepathically from the Upside Down.
@@lucidiously You forget though, there was a clue in the last episode that the upside down is a new thing. Remember, the timeframe in which the upside down is compared to the real world. The time frame of the upside down was years behind the real world. So basically right as that portal was opened the first time. This is because of how it represents when it was created. And if you look at where Vecna was, as he was being distorted, that is not the upside down. I believe the mind flayer was an extension of his own power. Notice that it’s in the shape of a spider. Something Vecna found comfort in.
So I believe the moment young Henry manipulated reality and started moving the hands of the clock, he had just unlocked a higher percentage of his brain power. Henry's sudden realization that the constructs which are put into place by mankind to understand its existence is not natural and is completely able to relinquish his humanity to enact his vision of "Natural Order" and assume possession of the world.
As me and my gf were watching it we kept making predictions. My prediction was that number 1 was Vecna while her prediction was that he was number 1...we just had to combine our predictions together. Number 1/Vecna being the son was a surprise though.
You know! No one considering the fact that Vecna is actually Eleven's brother. In better words, Vecna is Alpha and El is Omega. Henry knew this, and upon this knowledge he took advantage of Eleven's fear and loneliness. He knew she is the only one close to his own power. Actually this fact makes their final fight even way more intense than before. She created the monster in the first place, and she's the only one who can finish it in the end.
no I think Vecna/001 is most likely Eleven's biological father, remember Brenner wanted to recreate 001 and so he started doing experiments on all those women in the 1950's. I think Brenner used 001's DNA to create all those children, he either injected those women with 001's DNA, or he used 001's sperm to impregnate these women. I think it might be the latter, 001 could very well be the biological father of all of those children including El.
exactly what she said at around 4:29. Vecna I feel is the creator of the upside down not the mindflayer. the mindflayer is Vecna's sort of created top general, which explains why the flayer is very spider like. However one thing I think is wrong is hawkins wasn't his life. the kid actually didn't live there that long. If you remember from episode 4 they just moved there and it was a short period of time before he went ham and got himself thrown into the lab. I think the house (why it is in a red mist) is his main creation along with this underlings (other creatures). But i think the hawkins town was actually created when Vecna broke through the day Will was kidnapped in season 1. This is why everything is dated to the date when Will was kidnapped as Nancy mentions.
Just found your channel and watched your entire season 4 reaction series. Really enjoyed it. You two seem relatable like a couple you'd meet at a comic book store and meet up to play boardgames with. Excited for volume 2 :)
The level of excitement from you both for this show, particularly Vanessa, really shows how far above other shows Stranger Things is. The only people I know that do not like this show are people that haven't watched it. I didn't think anything would get better than Billy giving his monologue whilst crying in Season 2, but holy Steves chest hair this season has just been fantastic. The whole dream monster ala Freddie Kruger is perfect.
I would say that I enjoyed the show but it hasn't been amazing to me probably because I'm not a massive movie watcher so I did not get all the 80s references.
C'Mon Robert and Vanessa...No Comment on 11's "Super Hero" landing when she was fighting #001? Thought for sure that one of you would have bought it up! 🤣🤣🤣 #StrangerThings4
I only knew Jamie Bower from the Twilight movies so seeing him in this-I was literally freaking out the entire time. He did an amazing job with his character
I srsly cant imagine how tough it was fir will, like he was alone he didn’t know what was going on he was a scared kid like imagine hiding in a place full of moist snake things🧍♀️
Im sure some of you knew this and I'm sure some of you didn't know this but Heather Langenkamp's character from Nightmare on Elm Street that came out in 1984 was named Nancy as well and Natalia Dyers character in Stranger Things is named Nancy too. Both there characters had similar vibes.
Every reactor is complaining about California crew not being in this episode. They’re driving from Utah to Nevada, to Eleven. I’m sure not much to report from them yet 🤣 just driving through the desert. We’ll see them ones they get there in the final two episodes
Here is a quick question I just thought of for y’all… Thinking that there is an issue with the continuity I don’t get, which is, if the upside down is frozen in time from the point Will disappeared than how does he see the alphabet letters under the Christmas lights to spell out words for Joyce in season one?
You mentioned the guys in California crew weren't in this episode. Remember 011 is out west so next episode will probably be her meeting up with the California crew.
I wouldn't mind Steve and Nancy getting back together I mean Jonathan did say he was slow motion breaking up with her and because Charlie (Johnathan) and Natalia (Nancy) are together in real life they probably wanted a break from each other so being with other characters might help their relationship off set
It makes so much more sense that the military thnks Eleven is committing the murders in hawkins. It's the same MO that happended in the lab and no one knew she sent 001 to the Upside Down and thought she did it.
I Absolutely Love How Vecna's Origin Is Not Only A Huge Mislead And Plot Twist.. But It's Also Ties In To The Origin Of Eleven.. To The Very Beginning.. It Ties In To Why Dr. Brenner Favored Her.. How They Came To Discover The Upside Down's Existence.. It Just Gives You Answers And Raises Questions At The Same Time! Like How Long Vecna Has Been Observing Eleven Fight The Demogorgon, Closing The Gate, Defeating The Mind Flayer.. It Makes You Wonder For How Long Vecna Has Been Watching, Waiting And Now Plotting.. It's Really Gonna Go All Down In The Last 2 Episodes And I Already Cant Wait For The Ending That Will Be Season 5! The Duffers Really Nailed It! This Season And Show Were And Are Both Amazing! Also Vanessa 36:09 Whoa 😂
Murray doing karate gives me Kobra Kai vibes........ Oh and btw just a theory the chip that Eleven pulled out of 001 might be a huge help into beating Vecna. Im guessing in Vol 2 they would use it as a last resort into beating him.
I heard the Pacebo cover first but when I heard the original by Kate i fell over heels in love with not just the song but her music. Kate is an incredible artist that deserves all the attention she's finally getting in the U.S.
I just came up with a theory. The Demogorgan in season 1 is the same one in the Russian prison. When 11 defeated 1, she dusted him, just like she did to the Demogorgan. So she may have thrown it out of our world, and it ended up coming out the gate the Russians were trying to build the first time. Anyone have a timeline for Stranger Things? When were the Russians building that first machine in Russia?
@Peppa Pig The one in America worked in Season 3. The one in Russia worked for a bit. Did something come through? We know that a Demigorgon can get through small splinter gates far from the main one. Like the one Nancy and Johnathan found. There's a lot we don't know about how the upside down works, and exactly what the Russians were doing. Also, the timing may not matter so much. Eleven may have sent it to the upside down, and it got to Russia later.
its 2am in my country (Portugal) and I was refreshing your channel to watch your video before going to sleep😅 continue the amazing work, love you guys❤️
There is one Russian fairy tale, the series reminds me very much of it - "Marya Morevna". She leaves the whole household for Ivan Tsarevich and orders: “Go everywhere, look after everything, just don’t look into this closet. He could not stand it: as soon as Marya Morevna left, he immediately rushed into the closet, opened the door, looked - and there Koschey the Deathless was hanging, chained on twelve chains. Asks Koschei from Ivan Tsarevich: - Have pity on me, give me a drink! For ten years I have been suffering here, I have not eaten, I have not drunk - my throat is completely dry. The prince gave him a whole bucket of water; he drank and asked again: - I can't fill my thirst with one bucket. Give more! The prince gave another bucket. Koschei drank and asked for a third; and as he drank the third bucket, he took his former strength, shook the chains and immediately broke all twelve. “Thank you, Ivan Tsarevich,” said Koschey the Immortal, “now you will never see Marya Morevna like your own ears. And in a terrible whirlwind he flew out the window, caught up with Marya Morevna, the beautiful princess, picked her up and carried her to him. (this is an excerpt, translated as best he could - Koschei the Immortal is generally the villain of many fairy tales, but this one is one of my favorites. When the hero himself frees the already defeated antagonist.) До свидания :)
I know most people don't like this side character but I'm guessing 008 survived by making herself appear dead or was invisible to 001 during his rampage. I'm just surprised she never mentioned the massacre when Jane found her.
To be honest, I wouldn't have waited week to week. A lot of unknown was revealed this season. LOVE love love this show! they did a good job for real. Expecto Patronum part got me ahahahhahaha!
..... yes Henry was bad and did horrible things. ... But he never banished anyone to another universe to suffer for all eternity. We know what Papa showed 011 about 001... but I think there is a WHOLE lot we don't know about Vecna. Don't forget he did protect her from the others, and SHE killed guards just like he did. HE was left there intentionally by Papa to hone her powers. ... Brenner is the big bad.
Guns have never worked, except when Hopper used one to knock the demodogs off the elevator thing, they’ve never killed any upside down creature or even slowed them down..
So...Vecna is actually Victor's son, who is also a 001, who is also a guard who helped Eleven, and...who is also Eleven's genetic father? Or how does that work? Jeez, that's quite a lot of twists for one episode.
my only complaint with this stellar season is that I wish they had not mentioned ‘001’ before the tattoo reveal like they could’ve kept the scenes with Henry exactly as is, just leave out the brief moment where he mentioned the moniker ‘001’ to Eleven and have the audience slowly deduce that he was the original test subject. that way the final shot would’ve felt more like a shocking reveal
I don't think Brenner was trying to get Eleven to use positive memories and emotions for power. He was trying to create a sterile, disciplined environment where the kids had no lives, no friends or family, and very few emotions at all, only a rigid control structure with himself as the only source of positive reinforcement. A more sinister version of how the Jedi order avoided all attachments and strong emotions. But only positive memories and love can turn someone back from the Dark Side, or defeat Vecna.
Nah we need at least one streaming service that lets us binge watch stuff unlike every other one, thats one of the thing that sets Netflix apart from everyone else.
I Agree with You, Very Much More To Come Great Things Can Unfold. In So Many Great Ways. They Have Done Such Good Work in Making Stranger Things. A+. And Thank You For Being So Good at Explaining Your Take On This Late To The Party!!!!
1:16- LOVE IT 18:26- You guys should react to the excellent QUEEN'S GAMBIT on Netflix 26:01 - You guys should react to the greatest broadcast shows of all time, Breaking Bad and BETTER CALL SAUL. They should've changed his tattoo to 07/01 for the last shot to set up Volume 2.
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hes literally a BLOODBENDER
I’m glad Stranger Things finally gave us an interesting villain to rival Eleven. Jamie Campbell Bower nailed it.
His performance was amazing in this episode. Him and Sadie are the standouts for me this season.
@@TheAfricanGrey facts 💯💯 sadie the only mf who can make me bawl my eyes out and i seriously wanted to believe 001 at first and then SIKE😭 like i knew he was sus because he was always acting strange but once he started helping Eleven i was like “ok maybe he’s jus a weird guy” but NOPE😭
No one else could have played Victor Creel / Number One / Vecna better than he did!
@@colefonseca1030 Victor Creel is his father.
@@alexlazzerly3677 oh yeah right! Misspelled! 🤣🤣🤣
I know we still have 2 episodes on the way but this is definitely my favorite season of Stranger Things so far. Everything is pushed to the next level and alot darker which I love. Jamie and Sadie were my favorites this season. Their performances were incredible. July can’t come soon enough.
There adding 7 new episodes but July 1s is the first two episodes of vol 2 season 4
@@TrackThisYT He/she already watched the 7 ep thats why He/She said that there's two ep left and the fact that its already explained that he/she have watched the 7 Ep cuz of this reaction vid💀 idk why u have to comment that when thats his/her point
@@jims1046Omg you guys should understand that he/she have watched the 7 Ep thats why he/she said there two Ep left💀💀
@@TrackThisYT No on july 1 is coming the vol 2 with the last two episodes of season 4.
@@Zateyou I wanted to say that to Dlux
Love your reactions! Interesting fact if you didn't know, Jamie was in the Vecna costume as well and was doing that terrifying voice with no modifier or anything. When I found that out I was so impressed, he's so talented. He said the costume and makeup took about 7 and a half hours to put on and there was hardly any CGI at all. I have a whole new respect for him after listening to his interview about the process of getting the role and getting into the headspace and the process.
We were hoping it was him in the costume! Glad to know it was him! He did a phenomenal job!!
I know when I found this out my mind was blown they wanted to change the voice without listening to his version so he played his and they loved it.
@@Mcherri I know! My mind is still blown, I have no idea how he did that cause I could never imagine anyone’s voice being able to sound like that with no voice modifier so I’m incredibly impressed. I’m just so happy he’s in this I’ve loved him since he was in twilight and the mortal instruments😁
@@paigeporter2289 yeah but he is a singer so he can change his voice and pitch I have heard his new single and he is singing in a very low pitch. I missed him to loved him in mortal instruments.
@@Mcherri yesss I love his music too I also listened to his new song and thought the same thing! So proud of him and can’t wait to see him do more things:)
I was completely mind blown by that ending! Episodes 4 and 7 were the best episodes in S4 P1! I had figured out he was 001 in the previous episode but I had no idea he would be Vecna and the Creel son!
Exactly! I knew he was 001 the second that he started talking about 001 to Eleven in the flashback and how “it didn’t turn out well for number 1” but the reveal that he was Henry Creel and Vecna was very unexpected
I actually made the wild guess that One was Vecna back in episode 4, but i was somehow dumb enough to not realise the orderly was Nr.1 at that point
I figured out the same thing at the same time
It's ironic that the military guy wants Eleven cause "she's a monster" but he tortures the agent..
😂😂
I mean that's just kinda a normal thing in the military to get information and it's not like he's going around killing random civilians like he thinks 11 is that's not a good comparison
I love how Murray became such a badass with the Karate.
Remember with max it wasn’t the song that saved her it was the happy memories of her friends that she associated with the song
The song brought back good memories, When I hear my favorite childhood song, I start to remember the good times.
Just thought I’d say it actually WASNT Robert Englund voicing Vecna, it was the actor who played 001. The same actor was vecna under the prosthetics the entire time.
Thanks, we know. You are not the first person to mention this. ❤️
@@LatetotheParty sorry didn’t mean to be negative just wanted to inform, didn’t see the other comments. Really love watching you guys’ reactions with this series a lot.
Love Eleven doing the classic super-hero landing after being held up by One. She IS a superhero!
I had theorized that Vecna had actually created the upside down (or at least molded it into the mirror dimension that it is) building it from the minds and memories of the victims he absorbs. Which is why certain things are 'frozen' at particular points in time, because they were the last memory of those places from the victims he's drawn upon.
I have exactly the same thoughts!!
El sent him to the Upside Down, but he made it look like Hawkins.
Vecna's only a general.. upsidedown might have already existed for millions of years. It being molded i do agree
Or since he is connected to the hive mind, the Mind Flayer probably molded it when Eleven opened the gate in season 1
I thought it ended because it's the day the portal opened which paused time since the upside down mirrors the normal world
So you could say he imposed an unnatural order on the Upside Down...
I had a feeling that Peter was secretly 001, and that he was also Vecna. But it completely threw me for a loop that he was also Henry Creel. I don't think I've ever seen a character get a triple-twist reveal before, and it's mindblowing.
I really love how Hop reacted to seeing Joyce for the first time. At first he didn’t really react, like he couldn’t believe it was actually her. Then hugging and smiling knowing it’s really her.
It was so toned down and because of it so much more impactful!!!
I can't even imagine how emotional El and Hopper's reunion (i hope, omg) will be
people were complaining that they didn’t kiss and as much as I do want them to kiss, I think in THIS case a hug was soooo much better
@@potat0chip exactly. They never went on that date so it would of felt out of place. I think once they do, then we will get that kiss between them. But I mean giving the circumstances, they were just happy to see each other.
I’m cursed in when I recognize a guest star, they’re always the villain. Every time. I recognized Jamie Campbell Bower immediately.
this actor has such charisma. give us more of him, moooooore
Aside from 001 being hot as hell, I was rooting for El to sack that SOB. I love this villain, cannot wait until series 2.
This 😂
Jamie Campbell Bower did such a great job with his character and it builds toward his reveal as Vecna. Duffer Brothers giving us mini movies. Eleven is back! Joyce and Hopper back together is great.
Not sure exactly how but I think they will use the time split that was brought up in Nancy‘s room to explain why Vecna has not been involved until now.
Man I really felt like crying seeing El back in the Hawking Lab. All the scenes where a mirror was involved and we saw the reflection of young El, were such a heartbreaking reminder just HOW young El was when she had to endure all that. Sure, we saw El grow up and know her as a teen now (+ saw that version for the majority while she's reliving the past) but the fight with 01 and all the bullying actually happened when she was just so tiny :((
33:58 When the machines start buzzing and Papa says “It’s Happening” gives off Matrix vibe as Neo comes back to life in the hallway as Morpheus says “He is The One” but in this instance it’s “She is The Eleven”
i don't think it's over for max, 001, vecna, peter or whatever you want to call him seems like the kinda guy who holds a grudge, he's not just gonna be like "oh well she got away" and just leave it, i'm also left wondering if the amount of power on display from 11 and 001 somehow created the upsidedown
Part 1 is incredible. Seeing how Vecna uses people’s internalized emotional trauma against them is fascinating. Love the Vecna storyline as an allegory for trauma and depression.
Really pulling for Nancy to survive this. And her “Hey there” in her hero pose as she smacked that demon bat away from Steve was kind of iconic.
remember when robin found those old tapes nancy had, i think thats how they will save her, eddie could be the one to play it wish his guitar. the guitar is in eddies trailer. also i feel they are setting steve up to die saving nancy as she saved him and his prior conversation with eddie will urge him to sacrifice himself.
Dude, I’m high rn and reading this comment literally made my stomach drop I felt such anxiety. I genuinely don’t think I will be able to handle Steve scarifying himself for Nancy that’s honestly heartbreaking
I think Eddie is going to sacrifice himself. He has a swarm of bats tattooed on his arm .. I think its a foreshadowing of his death .. He will play his guitar to help the others escape but will be attacked and killed himself :( He was talking about how he isn't brave as well ... always runs away. He's going to finally be brave but it'll cost him his life ...
I hope I'm not right ..
@@TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie very possible !
@@TheOriginalFoxtrotCharlie theres actually a shot in the vol 2 trailer where robin, steve, nancy have finally got weapons, maybe eddie died prior to this scene, as hes not with them. they also seem to be in the creel house!
With all of the references to Nightmare on Elm Street this season, I don't think it's a stretch to assume Eleven meeting One in the boiler room to plan their escape is a nod as well, especially considering that One is revealed to be Vecna.
I loved all of the references and nods this season.
I’d take this with a grain of salt, I feel like Vecna/Henry/Peter/001 found inspiration from the red rose that was on the creel’s house front door to create the demogorgons in the Upside Down. Because if you think about it, the demogorgon opens its mouth like a flower. Like I said, take this with a grain of salt.
wait i thought the mindflayer was the one who created it?
@@acandycrushsagajourney6215 Spiders are his inspiration right? So I guess instead of feeding his megalomania in the Upside Down, Henry found God... in a way
Nope. Just coincidence.
Jamie Campbell Bower was under the make up too, and also did the voice for Vecna.
I was under the impression that she actually made the upside down without even knowning it
Baby 11 was able to beat the orderly (can't remember his name) by thinking of a happy memory with her mother, kind of like when Max was able to get away from Vecna by thinking of the happy memories of hanging out with her friends.
Yep 001 tells eleven that to be str9nger you need to think about things that anger you, because anger is a strong emotion. But the reason el was able to beat him then just like she is going too again is because unlike him she experiences the emotion of love and that emotion is the strongest of all emotions.
14:16 Beautiful writing. Erika's line, "Please be kind, and rewind." Back in the days of VHS tapes at Blockbuster.
I knew I heard it from somewhere! Totally forgot about Blockbuster 😂
The final scene really impressed me with the reveal of who Vecna was but now I'm a little frustrated because now we have to wait until next month to see what happens next. I'm really hoping Nancy gets out as I really love her character.
I think Nancy will come out because Robin was looking at Nancy's tape collection.
Questions raised
-where exactly did 11 send 1? That wasn’t the upside down, so where was that? Did 1 possibly create the upside down?
-who really is in charge of the upside down? Vecna or the Mind Flayer?
-where was Vecna all this time? He’s been around since the very beginning of all of this?
-he said his parents did awful things, we know what his dad did, but what did his mom do? I feel there’s more to that story. We know little to nothing about his mom. He said she recognized he was bad, but it never really showed that.
-why did he kill his sister? What horrible thing did she possibly do?
-why did Brenner keep him around? Why didn’t 1 wax Papa the second he realized he was being used by him?
If 11 couldn’t kill him, but instead pushed him into whatever realm that was, then is he killable at all?
IMO Vecna is the main bad, and if he isn’t, Papa is. Like why didn’t he kill Papa? Surely that would’ve been his main target? Sus
not sure about the other questions, but 001 didnt wax Papa because Papa put that little inhibitor chip in his neck. In the scene after El pulls it out of his neck, he looks at it and says "how did something so small cause so much trouble", and then only after that does he use his powers and attack the guards, so apparently Brenner knows how to make technology that can stop 001's powers. Maybe they can use that tech again.
@@hotbelgianwaffles4439 this is probably true!
- It was the upside down. Upside down has been there for millions of years, as Dustin said that Upside down may predate Dinosaurs. El just opened a gate while attacking 001.
- Probably MindFlayer is incharge of Upside down and Vecna is his guard or soldier sort of something.
- MindFlayer has been trying to takeover the world ever since El/commies opened the gate. And every time they(Vecna/MindFlayer/Demogorgan) killed someone it probably made Vecna stronger. With every kill Vecna's power increased and so the chances of coming back to this world.
- Maybe Brenner had something big planned for 001 and since Brenner had inhibited 001's power, he thought he might be harmless.
- At that time El was young, she herself had no idea how powerful she is. So she had no control over her power and unknowingly created a portal between the two worlds.
- I feel when he killed everyone, Brenner was in a room with that kid so he destroyed that room and Brenner got hurt with the door so he might have assumed that Brenner's dead. Or maybe since Brenner knew how to inhibit 001's power, he might have known of a way where these powers won't work on him.
He was with so many kids with powers and tortured them but none of them ever attacked Brenner. Like in that scene with 002. If 002 was this powerful why didn't he fight back when Brenner was punishing him. Maybe there's something more to him than just being a doctor.
Why do you think it wasn't the Upside Down, with everything going on it would be weird for it to be another place. When Eleven sends him there she leaves the gate behind. Obviously it looks somewhat different, at least the parts we see, so maybe 1 molded the Upside Down into the dark version of Hawkins we know.
I think the Mind Flayer is the main big bad, the Upside Down is an alien dimension that's possibly aeons old. The Mind Flayer is an eldritch being with unknowable motives, while Vecna is ultimately just a powerful human psychic serial killer. As for why he hasn't been seen earlier there could be various reasons. It's only been 7 years, possibly he needed to gather his strength first, and needed to learn how to use his powers telepathically from the Upside Down.
As for why he killed his mother and sister, because he could? Not all of his victims seem to follow the same pattern. Fred, Max and Nancy felt guilty, but we didn't see that with Chrissy. And apart from the bullies most of the kids at the lab don't fit that profile either.
I think the Mind Flayer is the main big bad, the Upside Down is an alien dimension that's possibly aeons old. The Mind Flayer is an eldritch being with unknowable motives, while Vecna is ultimately a powerful human psychic serial killer. As for why he hasn't been seen earlier there could be various reasons. It's only been 7 years, possibly he needed to gather his strength first, and needed to learn how to use his powers telepathically from the Upside Down.
@@lucidiously You forget though, there was a clue in the last episode that the upside down is a new thing. Remember, the timeframe in which the upside down is compared to the real world. The time frame of the upside down was years behind the real world. So basically right as that portal was opened the first time.
This is because of how it represents when it was created. And if you look at where Vecna was, as he was being distorted, that is not the upside down.
I believe the mind flayer was an extension of his own power. Notice that it’s in the shape of a spider. Something Vecna found comfort in.
Hey so just so you guys know it was Jamie Campbell Bower underneath all that prosthetics and make up not Robert England
So I believe the moment young Henry manipulated reality and started moving the hands of the clock, he had just unlocked a higher percentage of his brain power. Henry's sudden realization that the constructs which are put into place by mankind to understand its existence is not natural and is completely able to relinquish his humanity to enact his vision of "Natural Order" and assume possession of the world.
33:42 *doing Monty Python impression* “No One Expectos the Stranger Things Patronus!”
As me and my gf were watching it we kept making predictions. My prediction was that number 1 was Vecna while her prediction was that he was number 1...we just had to combine our predictions together.
Number 1/Vecna being the son was a surprise though.
You know! No one considering the fact that Vecna is actually Eleven's brother. In better words, Vecna is Alpha and El is Omega. Henry knew this, and upon this knowledge he took advantage of Eleven's fear and loneliness. He knew she is the only one close to his own power. Actually this fact makes their final fight even way more intense than before. She created the monster in the first place, and she's the only one who can finish it in the end.
no I think Vecna/001 is most likely Eleven's biological father, remember Brenner wanted to recreate 001 and so he started doing experiments on all those women in the 1950's. I think Brenner used 001's DNA to create all those children, he either injected those women with 001's DNA, or he used 001's sperm to impregnate these women. I think it might be the latter, 001 could very well be the biological father of all of those children including El.
If a series gets better from season to season… you just know it’s good
Robert Englund didn’t voice Vecna. It was the actor playing number 1
exactly what she said at around 4:29. Vecna I feel is the creator of the upside down not the mindflayer. the mindflayer is Vecna's sort of created top general, which explains why the flayer is very spider like. However one thing I think is wrong is hawkins wasn't his life. the kid actually didn't live there that long. If you remember from episode 4 they just moved there and it was a short period of time before he went ham and got himself thrown into the lab. I think the house (why it is in a red mist) is his main creation along with this underlings (other creatures). But i think the hawkins town was actually created when Vecna broke through the day Will was kidnapped in season 1. This is why everything is dated to the date when Will was kidnapped as Nancy mentions.
Just found your channel and watched your entire season 4 reaction series. Really enjoyed it. You two seem relatable like a couple you'd meet at a comic book store and meet up to play boardgames with. Excited for volume 2 :)
So happy you found us. Stick around because we have A LOT more coming!!!
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I didn’t get it at first, where Steve and gang battle the Demobats is Lover’s Lake, but all dried up…
Nice photo with the cast, what a throw back!! Really LOVED the season and I can't wait to see how it wraps up! And great haircut Vanessa! :)
The imagery of El's rainbow continuing while 001's ends are amazing!
The level of excitement from you both for this show, particularly Vanessa, really shows how far above other shows Stranger Things is. The only people I know that do not like this show are people that haven't watched it. I didn't think anything would get better than Billy giving his monologue whilst crying in Season 2, but holy Steves chest hair this season has just been fantastic. The whole dream monster ala Freddie Kruger is perfect.
I would say that I enjoyed the show but it hasn't been amazing to me probably because I'm not a massive movie watcher so I did not get all the 80s references.
Nah some people that have watched this show don’t like it and that’s completely fine
I did hear Kate Bush music streaming increased by 10,000% since episode 4.
I made the mistake of googling the Actor who played 001 and it got spoiled for me who he really was. Damn you Wikipedia!!!!
Dude being Vecna wasn’t a surprise, but him being the Creel kid was a twisssstttttt.
Now this episode gave one of the best villain monologues ever!!!
C'Mon Robert and Vanessa...No Comment on 11's "Super Hero" landing when she was fighting #001? Thought for sure that one of you would have bought it up! 🤣🤣🤣 #StrangerThings4
I only knew Jamie Bower from the Twilight movies so seeing him in this-I was literally freaking out the entire time. He did an amazing job with his character
I srsly cant imagine how tough it was fir will, like he was alone he didn’t know what was going on he was a scared kid like imagine hiding in a place full of moist snake things🧍♀️
Im sure some of you knew this and I'm sure some of you didn't know this but Heather Langenkamp's character from Nightmare on Elm Street that came out in 1984 was named Nancy as well and Natalia Dyers character in Stranger Things is named Nancy too. Both there characters had similar vibes.
Every reactor is complaining about California crew not being in this episode. They’re driving from Utah to Nevada, to Eleven. I’m sure not much to report from them yet 🤣 just driving through the desert. We’ll see them ones they get there in the final two episodes
More of an observation than a complaint.
Here is a quick question I just thought of for y’all… Thinking that there is an issue with the continuity I don’t get, which is, if the upside down is frozen in time from the point Will disappeared than how does he see the alphabet letters under the Christmas lights to spell out words for Joyce in season one?
You mentioned the guys in California crew weren't in this episode. Remember 011 is out west so next episode will probably be her meeting up with the California crew.
Can't wait!
What a Great Ending Twist🔥 Season 4 was definitely the best Series in my Opinion’ especially this final episode!!
Eddie looks and acts like a young Robert Downy Jr.
I wouldn't mind Steve and Nancy getting back together I mean Jonathan did say he was slow motion breaking up with her and because Charlie (Johnathan) and Natalia (Nancy) are together in real life they probably wanted a break from each other so being with other characters might help their relationship off set
To me, it's giving very much Darth Vader. You're the only other person who has pointed this out and I've watched a lot of reactions
Being psychotic or at least sociopathic and having abilities like that is a bad combination, to put it mildly... so no wonder...
It makes so much more sense that the military thnks Eleven is committing the murders in hawkins. It's the same MO that happended in the lab and no one knew she sent 001 to the Upside Down and thought she did it.
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO RECOGNIZE THE MUSIC IS “SHE’LL KILL YOU” IS PLAYING
A voice AND A FACE to a villain will always be scarier than a faceless monster (even though the demogorgon is still scary here clearly 😨)
Week to week is always better. Netflix is being smarter now by splitting up seasons to try and keep the conversation going longer than a week.
I Absolutely Love How Vecna's Origin Is Not Only A Huge Mislead And Plot Twist.. But It's Also Ties In To The Origin Of Eleven.. To The Very Beginning.. It Ties In To Why Dr. Brenner Favored Her.. How They Came To Discover The Upside Down's Existence.. It Just Gives You Answers And Raises Questions At The Same Time! Like How Long Vecna Has Been Observing Eleven Fight The Demogorgon, Closing The Gate, Defeating The Mind Flayer.. It Makes You Wonder For How Long Vecna Has Been Watching, Waiting And Now Plotting.. It's Really Gonna Go All Down In The Last 2 Episodes And I Already Cant Wait For The Ending That Will Be Season 5! The Duffers Really Nailed It! This Season And Show Were And Are Both Amazing!
Also Vanessa 36:09 Whoa 😂
Why do you start every word with a capital letter?
It's really cool going back to the opening and noticing the crack in the wall
I also felt the same way Vanessa in that I thought this season was going to go down some but I Love this season so far..
Murray doing karate gives me Kobra Kai vibes........
Oh and btw just a theory the chip that Eleven pulled out of 001 might be a huge help into beating Vecna. Im guessing in Vol 2 they would use it as a last resort into beating him.
holy shit thats smart I didnt think of that
I love Kate Bush's Running up that hill, but I like Placebo's version just as much. So awesome you love the 80's also.
I heard the Pacebo cover first but when I heard the original by Kate i fell over heels in love with not just the song but her music. Kate is an incredible artist that deserves all the attention she's finally getting in the U.S.
I just came up with a theory. The Demogorgan in season 1 is the same one in the Russian prison.
When 11 defeated 1, she dusted him, just like she did to the Demogorgan. So she may have thrown it out of our world, and it ended up coming out the gate the Russians were trying to build the first time.
Anyone have a timeline for Stranger Things? When were the Russians building that first machine in Russia?
@Peppa Pig The one in America worked in Season 3. The one in Russia worked for a bit. Did something come through? We know that a Demigorgon can get through small splinter gates far from the main one. Like the one Nancy and Johnathan found.
There's a lot we don't know about how the upside down works, and exactly what the Russians were doing.
Also, the timing may not matter so much. Eleven may have sent it to the upside down, and it got to Russia later.
29:32 Robert Englund is Victor Creel, the blind old guy, not the voice of Vecna!
Thought he did both.
Could be wrong.
@@LatetotheParty , Jamie Campbell Bower is doing the voice for Vecna as he's in the makeup talking and in the voice overs like saying "Maaaaxxx".
@@rugr82day 👹mMaAxxX👹
What a reveal. I'm just counting down the days until Vol. 2 at this point lol. ❤
its 2am in my country (Portugal) and I was refreshing your channel to watch your video before going to sleep😅 continue the amazing work, love you guys❤️
lol same here in the UK, just finished the episode myself
There is one Russian fairy tale, the series reminds me very much of it - "Marya Morevna".
She leaves the whole household for Ivan Tsarevich and orders:
“Go everywhere, look after everything, just don’t look into this closet.
He could not stand it: as soon as Marya Morevna left, he immediately rushed into the closet, opened the door, looked - and there Koschey the Deathless was hanging, chained on twelve chains.
Asks Koschei from Ivan Tsarevich:
- Have pity on me, give me a drink! For ten years I have been suffering here, I have not eaten, I have not drunk - my throat is completely dry.
The prince gave him a whole bucket of water; he drank and asked again:
- I can't fill my thirst with one bucket. Give more!
The prince gave another bucket. Koschei drank and asked for a third; and as he drank the third bucket, he took his former strength, shook the chains and immediately broke all twelve.
“Thank you, Ivan Tsarevich,” said Koschey the Immortal, “now you will never see Marya Morevna like your own ears. And in a terrible whirlwind he flew out the window, caught up with Marya Morevna, the beautiful princess, picked her up and carried her to him.
(this is an excerpt, translated as best he could - Koschei the Immortal is generally the villain of many fairy tales, but this one is one of my favorites. When the hero himself frees the already defeated antagonist.)
До свидания :)
I know most people don't like this side character but I'm guessing 008 survived by making herself appear dead or was invisible to 001 during his rampage. I'm just surprised she never mentioned the massacre when Jane found her.
To be honest, I wouldn't have waited week to week. A lot of unknown was revealed this season. LOVE love love this show! they did a good job for real.
Expecto Patronum part got me ahahahhahaha!
..... yes Henry was bad and did horrible things. ...
But he never banished anyone to another universe to suffer for all eternity.
We know what Papa showed 011 about 001... but I think there is a WHOLE lot we don't know about Vecna.
Don't forget he did protect her from the others, and SHE killed guards just like he did.
HE was left there intentionally by Papa to hone her powers. ... Brenner is the big bad.
Guns have never worked, except when Hopper used one to knock the demodogs off the elevator thing, they’ve never killed any upside down creature or even slowed them down..
So...Vecna is actually Victor's son, who is also a 001, who is also a guard who helped Eleven, and...who is also Eleven's genetic father? Or how does that work?
Jeez, that's quite a lot of twists for one episode.
Vanessa's excitement level gets cranked up to 11.
My two favourite people ❤️can not wait for the next two episodes
my only complaint with this stellar season is that I wish they had not mentioned ‘001’ before the tattoo reveal
like they could’ve kept the scenes with Henry exactly as is, just leave out the brief moment where he mentioned the moniker ‘001’ to Eleven and have the audience slowly deduce that he was the original test subject. that way the final shot would’ve felt more like a shocking reveal
murry put in so much work these episodes, he is on par with the police officer taking on the army that came to the house.
Agreed!
Still love the effects in season 4.
I don't think Brenner was trying to get Eleven to use positive memories and emotions for power. He was trying to create a sterile, disciplined environment where the kids had no lives, no friends or family, and very few emotions at all, only a rigid control structure with himself as the only source of positive reinforcement. A more sinister version of how the Jedi order avoided all attachments and strong emotions. But only positive memories and love can turn someone back from the Dark Side, or defeat Vecna.
Nah we need at least one streaming service that lets us binge watch stuff unlike every other one, thats one of the thing that sets Netflix apart from everyone else.
I mean 7 episodes at once is nothing to sneeze at. And they are long.
Weekly episodes are the worst.
L2TP: She's gonna end up with Jonathan
Me: nah...Robin :D
Everyone wanted justice for Barb, are we going to get it in part 2?
I enjoy watching ur reaction videos in Botswana..🇧🇼🇧🇼🇧🇼
I Agree with You, Very Much More To Come Great Things Can Unfold. In So Many Great Ways. They Have Done Such Good Work in Making Stranger Things. A+. And Thank You For Being So Good at Explaining Your Take On This Late To The Party!!!!
I just wanted to say hi from Australia and let you know how much I love you guys 🇦🇺❤️ Love your reactions and love your channel!
Can't wait for eleven and max to reunite in volume 2
Damn you guys put these out faster than anyone- thanks!
I wonder if Nancy's little music box can help - if they can get to it in time
I love the huge twist at the end of this episode, love your guys videos. :)
Prediction: They are in Eddie’s house, where his guitar is.
Eddie, and likely Robin the band geek and someone else, is going to save Nancy with music,
What if Steve sings it lol.
Fun fact: the guy who plays Ivan is the same guy who was in Power Rangers Jungle Fury who played Dominic.😉👌
Makes me wonder what season 5 will be about
1:16- LOVE IT 18:26- You guys should react to the excellent QUEEN'S GAMBIT on Netflix 26:01 - You guys should react to the greatest broadcast shows of all time, Breaking Bad and BETTER CALL SAUL. They should've changed his tattoo to 07/01 for the last shot to set up Volume 2.
Duffer brothers are legends!