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oh best believe I skipped to the end to confirm my hunch that this stupid clickbait video title is in fact stupid clickbait. He says "hey thanks for sticking around to the end of the video". Lol my guy nobody stuck around they just went to the end.
Thanks for the great review. Being on the Milwaukee M18 platform, its a no brainer. Being that there are other great track saws out there, I'm glad to hear that Milwaukee did not dissapoint. Its nice to know that being in Makita battery line , Festool or Milwaukee, you can have first class saws in any of those lines to match your battery line up. Thanks again for the review and your obvious approval. Keep us posted.
Mine just came. Tool on Black Friday sale with 2 blades (already have batteries and charger), 2 55" tracks, and rail connector kit. $667 at HD delivered in 3 days for free. Thanks for the review, it pushed me over to it. I won't miss the box because I have drawers in shop.
I have been thoroughly impressed with everything I have purchased from Milwaukee M18 platform. I bought the m18 tablesaw last year to make a murphy bed and my dad said that I won't be able to do anything more than 1/2 inch plywood. Nope, it can do 3/4 ply and any hardwood that I have thrown at it. 1.5' hard maple, a bunch of different things and I have never seen it break a sweat. I can't say that Milwaukee is the best, but I can say that I have never had an issue with the power. I would recommend everything I've purchased. 1/2 impact, table saw, router, drills, random orbital, outdoor lawn trimmer with various attachments (hedge trimmer, pole saw, edger, weed whacker), leaf blower, multitool. I can only speak for the m18, I do not have any m12 yet.
I had a helper leave the packout behind the work truck and then ran over, fully I watched the dually wheels go up and over and then drag the packout toolbox 20ft and other than some scuffs it still works and opens and closes. I rode back tot he shop thinking for sure it was ruined but it was dark and late and I just would look later. Still have it and it still works as engineered and I decided if it survived a welding dually run over it can’t be beat. Expensive absolutely but those tools and packouts work even after disasters that would end the career of other tools they keep on ticking. Great review. Oh and leave the packout unlocked and grab just the big main handle and you might have a nice surprise when everything doesn’t dump out, yet another small engineering perk of Milwaukee.
We greatly appreciate the mention Drew, but we'd like to clarify something referenced in this video... At first look, the Milwaukee guide rail appears to be patterned after the Festool and Makita profiles. However, closer examination shows that multiple critical dimensions are different enough on the Milwaukee guide rail to interfere with the performance expected from TSO accessories. As a result, our Guide Rail Squares and Parallel Guide System are currently not compatible with the Milwaukee guide rail. We are working towards a solution, so please stay tuned for more news on this issue.
1st off, props for listening to the consumer with a critical ear. 2nd, cnc is not hard. Just release a secondary peripheral or create an adjustable component for the rail mechanism.
@@mouthfulacoque3580 "cnc is not hard" my friend, I don't think you have a clear understanding of product design, machining, manufacturing at scale. Bit more a play than just 'tweak the gcode' here.
@michaelbuddy with all due respect, a financial barrier to entry does not make something difficult. If you're lazy, you plug away at failed designs. If you're running a financially lucrative business, you hire someone like me to measure, execute, and implement. Its math, not magic.
First of all been building since 1990's and even before with my dad. We tried many brands my dad was all zbot the Makita. And then came Dewalt but some guys stole some of my drills. So had to stop.in yo joke depot and saw a sale for a returned tool. So I bought it. It was a Milwaukee impact and it shocked me. After I got paid I.bought the big Fuel hammer drill Milwaukee. And soon I had the saw and the saws all. Now I gave my Dewalt to a friend and he now has all Milwaukee tools. So much of special tools as well it's like no other brands. The other day I was on a job site and a plumbing guy was near done but would needed a fresh battery for 4 or 6 more connections. So I handed him my battery. And we was done fast so we got lunch. It's nice when you can help out and everyone goes home early. After my move I will be buying a few more Milwaukee tools. As I will have only 3 tools not made by Milwaukee. The biggest hand held corded Makita 12 Inc saw and its too much power I keep it for 6x6 cuts. A press drill and an old Delta saw. Oh and I forgot a never used Delta plunge cut.
I'm a General Contractor and don't have a "daily need" for a track saw, so when I first needed one a few years ago, I bought the Grizzly (as the only one available at that time was the festool which I couldn't justify that expense). In all honesty, it works fine for me and my needs. Your point is valid about the accessories as I've been trying to find a "rail square guide" for my track & can't find one for the grizzly. That being said, after a few years, I've found more uses for my saw than I thought I would. I have been slowly replacing all my other cordless tools with Milwaukee & love the quality they produce. When the Grizzly finally wears out, I will definitely look at this saw.
No one in the construction industry has a daily need for a tracksaw, much less a general contractor. You need a computer, a phone, a table to set plans on, and some file boxes to keep up with RFIs, ASIs, RFPs, project manuals, insurance certificates, and OSHA forms. The work, as we all know, is performed by Mexicans and other "amigos" with a few white graders, plumbers and electricians thrown in. The cabinet contractor doesn't even need a tracksaw in his shop, and there's absolutely no need for one on any commercial or residential job site.
Welcome to Total Tool Snobbery! I grew up Craftsman, tried and true EVERYTHING had to be Craftsman... Then Sears began to crumble and my beloved brand was quality no more. I played the field, DeWalt, Makita all the usual girls.... and then it happened, Milwaukee Installer Tool with Rotary tool batteries and charger for less than $200. I'm hooked, everything is absolutely TOP NOTCH! Since I do communications and radio installation / repair I definitely use the heck out of my equipment (not construction level abuse but hard use just the same) So, WELCOME to the True RED Tool Snob Life. It's a little more expensive but your grandkids are going to inherit a great set of tools!
Wow! There are so many video reviews on TH-cam but rarely do they answer most questions people may have! Fantastic review and you just gain a subscriber.
Thanks a bunch for your continued work in all your videos. While there are millions of content creators, most people do not realize the back-end work before any vids are submitted for viewing. Subbed.
Should work well for quick siding repairs, with a diff. blade for sure...Oh by the way, I have an old corded Makita framing saw(81/4) bought it back in the mid 80's, I use it on average 3 days a week(going over the last 37 years) and still works well....I love my corded Makita saws. Thanks for the vid !
I used a Makita hypoid saw for almost 20 years and then the switch went bad. Unfortunately, the switch was obsolete so I ended up buying another one. I paid $130 for the first one and $140 for the new one last year but I see they've gone up $30 since last year. I guess my timing was perfect. I abused that first saw. I used metal cutting abrasive blades to cut up an old gas tank for a welding project and got that saw so hot I couldn't hold it. Took a lickin' and kept on tickin'
I have both the the corded Makita (which I love), but recently bought this Milwaukee. The reason I was so interested in the cordless was simply the fact that the cord on the Makita kept getting hung up on the track. So far I'm very impressed with the Milwaukee.
Get yourself a spring cord holder. Clips to your bench and keeps the cord up and out of the way. Consider an inline cord connector (Speakon) with a flexible rubber cord to replace the stiff stuff always inflicted on power tools.
Toss the cord and hose on the work piece and grab cord in hand with the handle. Facing the cord end up. This has fixed all of that for me. Nobody makes a good replacement for my TS-75, they're all playing with little TS-55. Maybe one day? Also where's the rotex replacements? Rotex has been a game changer for me. It's got enough power to efficiently sand concrete patch if desired! Pretty sure you could toss on a diamond grit pad and polish stone too! Also I just heard the domino joiner might not have a pattent here in the states... Why oh why isn't everyone making a cheaper domino-XL? (The xl is the only one I would get as it allows for mechanical joinery for say a bedframe that can come apart)
Great Review!!! Very well done. I’m not a tool snob, and an intermediate woodworker. So, Makita cordless is what I’m picking up Tuesday. Thanks for the content.
What a great in depth review! The number one reason I would get this is because I'm remote and off grid and I have quite a few of Milwaukee tools and batteries already. Keep up the great videos!
The makita corded seems like a great deal because if you’re taking the time to use a track saw you’re probably at a cut station and plan on cutting multiple cuts. So if you’re gonna take the time to get a super straight cut, especially on multiple cuts you might as well get an extension cord out and not worry about the power or the extra $400 to get a battery instead of a cord. It would be nice if battery saws had an adapter to make it corded if wanted/needed similar to Dewalt 12” 120v flexvolt miter saw. I wish Dewalt, makita, Milwaukee and other brands made an adapter for all cordless tools for those times when you don’t necessarily care about cordless or you run out of battery and need the cord.
Hikoki/Metabo HPT make just that for their 36v tools range. I've got it for the Metabo HPT table saw and its great. Fits into the battery slot and attaches to a transformer. Everyone else should be selling it!
Great video! I don’t have a track saw yet but have been thinking about one for a while. I this sold me on the Milwaukee. Your videos are always very high quality and you deserve to be a BIG TH-cam channel. Keep up the hard work, it isn’t going unnoticed!
Love the longer format deep-dives. I"m a Makita Man myself (though not blinded to other tools when they're superior). I've found that after using cordless tools, I hate going back to the corded versions. A cord is just such a hassle, especially in a small shop with things the cord can snag on. Two small corrections: the Makita 36V track saw DOES indeed have an electric brake, and has kick-back detection which cuts the power if the blade gets pinched. I'd like to see a direct "head to head" performance comparison between the cordless Makita and Milwaukee doing the same cuts in Hard Maple and then Hickory as a torture test. I'd love to see the accuracy at various angles, dust extraction, power, and battery longevity.
Thank you! Wasn't sure how people would like a 30+ min video. You're right, the cordless ones have the brake (I know the 40v does for sure). My corded doesnt - thats what I was thinking of in the moment. Didn't know the 36 had kickback detection! good test criteria. I'll do it.
@@wittworks There’s a speech, the speech to inform. Following that format you’ll be able to really give us a thorough understanding of the saw. 1/2 hour? Yes I’d guess that is too long. Give the format a try. Get some note cards. Practice in front of a mirror. You understand the subject. You’ll have fun knowing you have time, you haven’t repeated yourself. I’ll bet you’ll be very successful. I’m not going to labor the point - Set yourself apart with clear concise delivery, format. And by the way I surely would not be interested if you hadn’t gotten me interested.👍👍
When I bought my Makita 2x18V cordless track saw in May 2021 - the presence of the brake, the amazing dust collection and the lack of a cable blew my mind, coming from a Makita corded circular saw. I immediately knew the cordless track saw was "the one". I used the track saw just recently and it still blows my mind. It's like magic how it works. Model is DSP600ZJ 36v (Twin 18v) Brushless Plunge Cut Circular Saw 165mm. Edit: oh and I paid GBP£319... Half the price of this Milwuakee. You prefer the features - not that actual saw.
This was a terrific first impression! I'm a woodworking hobbyist and bought the Festool Cordless TSC55KEB last September, and it arrived in time for Christmas. My "workshop" is my sidewalk and patio so I had to wait until Spring to start my builds for this year. If this Milwaukee track saw came out last year, it would have been a contender. I didn't buy the Makita because it has no riving knife so I went with the Festool and have been thrilled with its performance. The Festool blade stops within 2 seconds of the saw losing contact with the track. That was the big selling feature along with the little plastic limit stop to prevent kickback at the start of my cuts. Yeah, a cheap piece of plastic was a selling point lol. I might be 125-130 lbs with some muscle, but kickback was a huge concern for me (yes, it should be for everyone). This Milwaukee sounds like a terrific option! Glad there's another option in the track saw mix. As always, your vids are perfect and so informative!!!
I can't speak highly enough of milwaukee fuel products. The non fuel stuff however is not professional equipment in my eyes, but DIY'ers might find them useful I cannot say for certain. I made the switch away from makita in 2022 and have been quite happy for doing so. Makita is good don't get me wrong, but it's not milwaukee. I highly recommend thier m18 fuel impact gun. It has 4 different power settings. It can be as delicate as a low power 12v, or powerful enough to drive screws right through your workpiece should you decide to, the power is in your hands and they gave you the controls to finesse it! Thier variable speed multi tool is top notch. Thier variable speed angle grinder (the one with toggle switch not paddle switch) is also top notch. I've used Metabo grinders for decades, they are also top notch, but corded... Milwaukee is definetly one of the companies I look towards for my tools.
That being said I have the festool TS-75 (forget exact model) and that thing is a dream to use. Such perfect crisp cuts off that thing. I installed the $130 dollar composite blade in there, might be partially why. Also the rotex sanders are game changers. Depending on the task you can be done 5x faster at least. Even then you can swap modes and go random orbit after surfacing for finer grits. It's not as fast as a belt sander in rotex mode, but the finish quality vs a belt sander is readily visible. While I hope milwaukee makes all of these tools. I'm already bought in over here. If something needed replaced I would probably check milwaukee 1st. I don't love cords. The track saw I'm fine with a cord because it automatically triggers my festool vacuum which I love! I use that for my floor grinder too, saves accidentally dusting your environment with concrete dust!
Love the video, had a thought on the trackless cross cut section. If you’re using it as a plain Jane circular saw, just under that front handle there’s a lock switch (different from the arbor lock for blade changes) When engaged, you can make your plunge cut and it will lock itself plunged so you can put more focus on your alignment and pushing rather than on keeping the blade plunged in place. Anyways, hope that helps someone!
Really good video! It’s really nice to have someone who has more experience on a wide variety of track saws and tracks. So many times these days you can’t touch or even see the tool before you get it.
Good, informative review! Nicely done. I'm a Milwaukee and Makita guy. Makita fit and finish and smooth operation are always top notch. Big power with 18volts is Milwaukee's calling card. But I think they've about reached the limit of what you can reasonably get from 18volts and are probably going/have already started to do what Makita did years ago that a lot of folks laughed at: Run two batteries at once for 36volts. Wires can only handle so many amps. When you double your voltage, you cut your amps in half, or open the door to twice the potential power, theoretically. But I can already build a house without a cord and I don't miss them a bit. Amazing times we live in. Can't wait for part two. I'm still waiting to see if I go Makita or Milwaukee for a cordless track saw. Based on what I've seen here and other videos, I don't think I'll be disappointed either way. I'm already heavily invested in both brand's 18v platforms and love just about every tool I have from both of them. But I gotta tell ya, other than big drilling or circular sawing or grinding, I pick up the Milwaukee 12v stuff first every time. If I'm driving big screws all day, or simply need lots of power, I'll of course use the 18v stuff. I just don't need big power most of the time.
@@wittworks Why are you pissed? You seem quite pleased with your saw and I feel like the title is disingenuous and clickbaity. Also, why didn't you comment on that box. It is absolutely enormous and could be kind of a dealbreaker for carpenters. I certainly wouldn't enjoy hauling this box around multiple stairs. Can't even stack it with systainers.
@@emilebeckerseb It is a little clickbaity but he's pissed that it might make him retire the makita since he likes it so much, kind of a nostalgic feeling for the makita and not wanting to stop using it. If you watched till the end you would've heard him explain that. And why would millwaukees packout systems work with systainers? Milwaukee has their own system which is expensive, but it is a much more expansive system. They just slapped the foam into one of the boxes that they already have, no point in making a custom box just for the tracksaw.
Did you watch till the end? Also. Google what clickbait is. No deception here. Legit bait. You clicked. Congratulations. I could comment on the box and the video would be 40min long
I just got a corded Makita over black friday and picked up a 118" track. I already own Milwaukee M18 fuel tools. Even though it appears this is a very good saw, I am happy with my purchase and have no regrets with my decision and I don't feel the need to jump to this saw. There will always be a new tool so no need to always chase the newest and best things.
I'm impressed what Milwaukee can do with a single 18v battery. They are using a 1.6mm blade to pull this off. If I were on team red and just starting off I'd probably purchase this saw. I'd love to see this compared in detail to the Makita x2 or 40v as well as the Festool TS 55 K.
It's the high output with 21700 cells so close to double the amps, up to 84A. Mafell has this for years with 8Ah for the saws, but weirdly no cordless jigsaw yet.
I have the Makita x2 36V. I like the variable speed. It's height adjuster also takes into account no track vs track. I have the Makita x2 36V Rear Handle 7-1/4 saw which cuts through anything I'd throw at it so it was a no brainer.
Got mines this week & used it this morning ridiculous cut on 2 ¼ 356 maple baseboard 7ft long with a ½" notch out for the back 5ft. My cut was from the top of the notch angled down to the base of the work piece so basically a 24" wedge perfect angle and cut with the track being supported by a surplus piece of 356 . Zero issues, more a test of the track really but still happy how everything worked
I recently came across your TH-cam channel and I must say, I was impressed. As a first-time viewer, I found myself hooked on your content. Your talent with the camera is undeniable and it's clear that you have a passion for making and editing videos. I personally don't have much interest in tracksaws, but I found myself engrossed in your videos about them. Your ability to break down the pros and cons in a clear and concise manner was spot on. It was easy to understand the features and benefits of each saw, even for someone like me who doesn't have much experience with them. In addition to your technical knowledge, I appreciated your enthusiasm and passion for the subject matter. It was clear that you truly enjoy making these videos and that made them even more enjoyable to watch. Overall, I was impressed with your content and I have subscribed to your channel. I look forward to watching more of your videos in the future. Keep up the great work!
Dang it. I was sold on going Festool or Makita based on whatever I best deal I can get. Now watching this I’m leaning in Milwaukee’s direction. It’ll be later this year, but I guess I’m saving up for Milwaukee. Keep up the great work. Gig ‘em.
Doubtful it will wind up stacking up to every spec across the board, but ridgid put out a teaser for a track saw coming out this year. You probably didn't need the water to get "muddier", but just incase you have some of their battery tools already...
My favorite woodworking channel now. Thanks man. Also best customer service as well and dust covers are top notch. New Patreon here I come! Looks like a sweet saw. Makes me watch to get rid of my wen lol
I got the dust shield from you, works great. The Wen track works with the Milwaukee and the with the 45 degree lock when cutting a bevel. I got 110” of that track for way less than the Milwaukee track. The saw is amazing. I have had a corded Festool in the past but could not justify the cost. This saw is totally worth it. Thanks wittworks. Great channel.
Thank you for being so in depth, your one of the few channels that thoroughly explains what/why/how. We just bought a house so I'm financially not in the position to even justify the WEN lol, I have a homemade track/jig. But watching this reminded me of when I first started woodworking. I was watching a channel that will remain nameless, but he built a router sled to flatten a coffee table top. So I'm like what a great idea, so I built one to flatten the not to be named project he built that I copied. Thing is, me being a dummy newbie, I only made sure I was building on a flat surface as he said. Lol he didn't say anything about the sled being completely level. So mine wasn't level, not his fault it was ruined I'm the dummy that didn't shim it, but like I said I was an idiot newbie and didn't know any better. Point to this long winded comment is thank you for being so in depth, remember you may have viewers or new clicks watching saying "wtf is a riving knife" or whatever, you get the point. So yeah man great video keep them coming!
Not surprising that Ryobi and Milwaukee use the same track, same parent company in TTI. With regard the battery, they can only be shipped with 25-30% charge legally, that is the same for all power tool brands. Nice in depth review, thank you from those of us who design power tools for a living
for all the grief we give today's toolmakers about quality slowly going down the tubes, nice to know there are still some good guys paying attention! thanks for what you do, drew
Who gives grief about quality? On the whole, it's far higher than old days. I'm 67. Cost to average earnings, it's far cheaper. Complexity much greater because we demand it and that affects reliability and cost. And options are far wider - throwaway almost free supermarket, eg Aldi, to bomb proof Mafell - we pays our money and we takes our choice.
I do have comments or in this case a thank you, I don’t currently have a track saw yet because I have my own shop with table saw and 14” band saw and I love my Festool compound mitre and my sanders that are also Festool. I love the guys like you that buy and grind it out for the little guys like us me including. I have been on the fence with Milwaukee and Festool because I have Porter Cable cordless tools and they’ve been good but I would like to have the best in the near future. I do have a business and I rely on these tools which is why I like listening to awesome guys like you about these reviews. Thank you so much, I think you’ve helped me so much and I think I know what I will be putting in my shop soon😊👍
Thanks for the heads up, I am still out a bit on the purchase of this track saw so I will wait to see if anything changes for the better between now and when I can afford this outfit. Thank you so much Drew for the follow up on this review and yes that statement says it all man😊👍
I liked, subscribed, and saying thank you! I'm newer to woodworking and appreciate the in depth explanation and comparisons! You're doing a great job. God bless!
I’m a Makita plug in owner. Bought the Etsy cut depth indicator to set depth with or without track. Very handy. Added a piece of tape with metric to imperial measurements for standard sheet goods thicknesses. When I chose mine I said to myself this is a lifetime tool for me. No tool manufacturers think of batteries as a lifetime battery. 12/20 years from now can you guarantee that you’ll be able to buy a Milwaukee battery for that saw? I bet I’ll be able to plug in my makita.
I'm a cabinet maker, and all my power tools are Makita, so I was going to go with their track saw just to stay consistent. I build decorative wood hoods over the range and sometimes the pieces are too big to crosscut on my tablesaw, unless I make a bigger sled, but mines big enough already imo. Did I hear correctly that the Makita track saw uses metric only? This could sway me to the Milwaukee, but mainly looking for something to cut various angles bevels on large pieces with a consistent finish depending on the look the customer wants. Great info!
Great job for 1st impressions. You covered all the big questions! 😁 As to length, 33 minutes is long, BUT you kept my interest. I really appreciate good comparison videos and yours are very informative! Keep it up!
I just bought the Makita cordless because I had the batteries. It never occurred to me that that didn't make sense, probably because I just use a regular shopvac. It is a good point, and maybe Festool's latest battery extractor has that worked out with Bluetooth... I think I saw something like that. Limping along with the dust extractor that I have, I appreciate that I only have one hose/cord to deal with.
Great video! I enjoy a tool review video every now and again and you did a great job breaking down the features, etc. (Better than others I have watched) I just bought the Makita and the Milwaukee is well outside of my price range but it looks like a great saw.
You should get the Ryobi pack out style system. You’ll not only have no theft, you’ll have Get Well Soon cards and Home Depot gift cards with notes they hope you are saved (I’m a Ryobi guy mostly, but that’s because I make shelves and tables, and that’s about it lol).
Love these type of educational vids, bit eye opening if you of all people are going to probably switch to it over the Makita. Look forward to seeing the full in-depth video as I'm at the stage where I want to start upgrading tools and I definitely think a good track saw will be worth it's weight in gold for what I do. Keep it up mate!
One of the deciding factors for me upgrading from the ryobi platform to makita was the track saw… if only i knew Milwaukee was coming out with such a nice track saw…
i would like to note that i was able to get my milwaukee track saw without battery for just over $300 new, and it seems like deals of this magnitude drop every few months. Not bad for one year or so after release. It’s my first M18 tool. I have a number of M12 tools and I have been really impressed with how usable they are (they are light but still powerful enough to be generally useful) in light of that price point, it changes the value proposition, but I do not know about whether other branded tools (festool/makita/etc) also have similarly deep sales or not. At any rate, these red tools definitely spark joy for me so you’ll be seeing a lot of red around my garage… Been happy with Ego and Milwaukee over here.
Thank you for your time and effort. I understand your feelings on the potential change. I bought my Festool TS55 more than 15 years ago and I haven't looked back. It still serves me well today. I like the look of all the new ones and I would consider the Makita corded as my backup saw due to price. I have the 1200mm, 2400mmtracks and a 500mm 700mm pair I made from a 1200mm for Kitchen fitting and tight spots. I would definitely get the 3000mm for handlig sheet materials. I'm looking forward to the full review coming up.
I have a Evolution, I have used it 3/4 times and I'm happy with it. It came with 3 short tracks that are put together like yours. I also ordered 2- 55 inch tracks so I could cut a full length of plywood. I paid a lot less than you did like my cost was $225.00. If you can send it back and get your money back. GOOD LOOK
i'm glad that you had a realization, that manufacturers have listened, and in this case ... it even surprised you. Good to keep an open mind. Thank you for not slamming anyone, and keeping it real.
You do the right thing; you label first-impression videos as exactly what they are. I'm so tired of getting like 20 minutes in and finding out "now I just took this out of the box...". That's not a review. That's a first impression or "unboxing"; Reviews are different. SO thank you for making that very clear up front, both in title and in the meat of the video. Well done, sir. Also, HOLY CRAP! I've forgotten to mail that arbor cover back that I wrongly ordered. Consider it on the way first thing tomorrow. Sorry about that. :\
I ended up going with the Makita 40v, since I was able to get a pretty good deal around Christmas time. For $600 I received the track saw, two stackable boxes, two batteries, the charger, and a 39" guide rail. I was not looking to get into the 40v platform, but I felt it was too good a deal to pass up.
This is by far the best review. I’ve watched over 30 reviews on this Milwaukee saw and this is the very first time that I hear that it has a break, this is an actual feature. I was looking forward because I have a Milwaukee circular saw, and I love the fact that it has a break. So knowing this is starting to sway me more towards this saw, versus, the saw Stop table saw that I wanted to buy. I think it gives me a safer control over a table saw.
I got tired of waiting for Milwaukee to release this tool and decided to go with the cordless Makita dual 5ah battery and couldn’t be happier. It does everything I need it to do and more. I figured it’s such a specialized tool that it wasn’t that big of a deal to go with another brand. I probably will eventually go with the 6ah batteries for a little more juice though.
@@reaperreaper5098 Where's the science to back that claim up? The 6ah provides more runtime and a tad more power I thought. Why do you think all big power Makita tools in Japan come with 6ah batteries?
@@clarkfos3447 Individual reviewers, such as Tools & Stuff have tested this. Also, when lifespan between cells of the same size is similar, high capacity cells have lower discharge rates and vice versa. Milwaukee’s older 18650 based 6Ah XC is weaker than its 5Ah counterpart. Same for DeWalt. There’s a reason that 6Ah (18650) batteries aren’t overly common in most markets, whereas those same markets are dominated by 5Ahs.
@@clarkfos3447 Makita’s 6Ah batteries use Sony VTC6, which offer 15A discharge at the cell level, or 30A continuous for the entire battery. The 5Ahs use either Sony VTC5s or Samsung 25Rs, both of which are 20A on the cell, 40A for the pack.
@@clarkfos3447 Discharge is literally what determines power output. Plenty of people have torn down and repaired Makita’s batteries, found that 6Ah packs use higher capacity, lower discharge cells. It’s not some sort of revelation.
Thank you so much for the most extensive, in-depth “first impressions” video i have ever seen, and what looks like many others feeling the same. This is my first time seeing your channel and watching a video and you definitely hooked me. I’m yours! Aloha
You will find that the tool industry is cyclic with every company iterating off the first to market. Almost without fail the 2nd and 3rd to market perform better, have more features or are smaller/lighter.
I'm Team Red but I bought the Festool. Here in Canada the Festool kit with batteries is $999. The Milwaukee is $878. So for an extra $100 I get full Bluetooth batteries which automatically start the vacuum. No idea how Milwaukee missed this, they should have at least added a bluetooth remote to their new Vac. Not having a power cord dangling around the vac hose is so much nicer. Great job on the review!
Same here. I have Festool track saw for over 10 years. I think 2 sides splinter guard already worth the $100 difference, let alone Bluetooth capabilities. I'm sure Festool holds patent for the Bluetooth feature. That's the reason others can not do yet.
Good video! I bought my Festool track saw back in 2005 and can't remember ever wishing it was battery-powered. Even when I've used it in "job site" applications, we always had power.
I actually enjoyed the video and thankfully I am partially invested in the Milwaukee, so I will pick this up for the things you have covered. I recently picked up their new wet dry vac and paired it with just a regular circular saw and it worked really well, so I would imagine doing so the same with this track saw. I am a contractor, but I like to work in a dust free environment as much as possible. Now, I just need to wait for a sweet deal on this sucker because I am still pissed about the price.
23:05 That’s one of my favorite things about Milwaukee Fuel stuff. Those brushless motors are amazing. My M18 Fuel rear handle saw cuts effortlessly and you don’t feel anything in the motor. It also has the brake on the motor. I love everything about my M18 rear handle circ saw. The depth adjustment is strong, smooth and easy to use. The marks are easy to see and very intuitive. The angle adjustment is smooth, strong and easy to use. The handles fit and hold so well. The only thing I’ve found I don’t like about is the angel adjustment hinge is at the front of the saw in line with blade and when cutting in the dark with a head lamp, it throws a shadow in the line in front of the saw. Now I cut mostly by lining the blade up with mark at the cut itself but for quick, larger tolerance cuts I use the line in front and the sight on the saw base. That’s my only complaint. Other than that, it blew me away like this track saw is doing you. I can’t believe I waited so long to get the M18 rear handle circ saw. I’m hoping the layoff at work hurry’s up and ends so I can start budgeting for this track saw. I want it so bad and it will pay for itself with production and accuracy but that’s a lot for a saw. Thanks for the video. Liked, commented and subscribed! Gonna check out your 3d printed store too.
So, admittedly I’m a DEWALT guy, but in this regard they’re in the same ballpark when it comes to new developments in motor design. So I’m not surprised that top of the line battery motors are as powerful as they are. I don’t need a track saw, but everything else I have is almost overpowered these days. Even my small 20 volt DEWALT 3” cutoff tool, according to the Torque Test Channel puts out about a horse with a 5 amp hour Powerstack battery. Considering how tiny that brushless motor is, it doesn’t seem possible. So I’m not surprised at the performance of the Milwaukee. I get why people would buy this over the corded Makita. Yeah. I’m going cordless on everything. Just every time I go back to one of my corded tools, it just seems to be such a hassle. Constantly checking where the cord is. Making sure I’m not grinding it, or cutting it. Having it bind against something, or running out of length. Or, finding the outlet is where I can’t get to it from where I need the tool, necessitating an extension, which I then have to put away. Those are just some of the problems we didn’t think of back when, because there was no alternative. So if you don’t need that ridiculous plastic case, if they offer it, you buy the bare tool. I do that much of the time these days. The savings are huge, and after you end up with four (or is it five?) chargers, and almost a dozen batteries in various sizes, you find that you don’t need that nice case after all.
Jesus they’re not even trying to hide the fact that it’s a clone of the festool 🤣🤣🤣 depth and angle adjustment is identical. No surprise there given it’s a Chinese company
🫢 I must admit I haven’t seen the Festool one so I didn’t know it was copied. I’m trying really hard to get one to review. They said they’d send me one. So, that’s why I haven’t dropped $700-900. But we’ll see.
Jesus saves, so please respect the name, but I think He may be relatively uninterested in the arcane area of intellectual property law. In the absence of patent protection (or in the presence of a license), there is nothing under the law in the USA that prevents any entity from duplicating useful features of competitors’ products.
Not the same. They went a festool route but it’s far from identical. Battery/power/dust port/ anti tip/ riving knife/ Packout box/ no blue tooth/ anyone legit has Milwaukee batteries/ one battery instead of two.
I love your channel, lots of information and easy to understand. I’m a diy’er weekend warrior for more than 10 years and my makitas never failed me. I still have the old drill and impact driver and my corded circular saw and worm drive. I have been looking to purchase a plunge saw and makita was the one although it’s still in my cart to buy. Still hesitant to click buy because of the price. But then I saw this video, I think I’m going with Milwaukee 😮
Awesome video. I’m still in the infancy of my woodworking. But when I get to purchasing a track saw. THIS will be the video that I come back to reference.
This saw th-cam.com/users/postUgkx84IcU5pbZd1Qrz8u4-YRLmJax7kdRi7B comes in handy in many ways. When I had a small (dead) tree fall I started the process of disposal by using this saw and cutting off the small branches. Then slowly work on the small trunk with undercutting and letting it fall down. With many trees on acres of land paying for a tree service can be expensive. It also is nice in that it can be used in hard to get areas like along my creek. It's also safer and quieter than a chainsaw. It obviously can't cut down massive trees but it does work fine for small ones or brush. And of course since I already own a Black
For all long cuts with my Makita 36v track saw I now use a Makita track clamp on each end. That eliminates the tendency of the track to slip out of alignment because of the way the saw is held. I find I am more relaxed while pushing my my saw along the track because I know the track does not budge from my cut line. Of course this does not work if you cut on top of sacrificial foam on the floor. That is hard on the knees too!
Before this Milwaukee was ever in existence, I bought the Makita Corded Track saw and 2 or 3 of the 55 inch tracks and connectors. A buddy has numerous Festool tracks I can always use too. I have always been a Milwaukee tool fan ever since buying Milwaukee Right Angle Drills and Sawzall's over the past 35 years of carpentry. If I ever get a cordless Milwaukee, it will be this one to go with their cordless Impact wrench.
Scrolling around TH-cam, and I see the dude in the thumbnail and thought “dude kinda looks like Drew”. Starts autoplaying, and I think that REALLY looks like Drew. Look and the channel name and think that…IS Drew. No idea how or why the algorithm tossed this video on the home page but it was pretty neat to see you’ve got a channel that seems to be doing pretty well. Cheers bud.
Helpful video, thanks. Currently trying to figure out which one to buy. I wish this one was offered corded just because I like the dust collection convenience especially since I don't plan on using it without dust collection
Excellent first impression video. This is very timely for me as I am looking for a cordless track saw. These new and/or improved features make it impossible for me to overlook the appeal of Milwaukee. I just might wait to pull the plug until you release your second comprehensive comparison cordless track saw video. Thank you very much for doing these videos.
thanks. I'm set on Milwaukee batteries already so I'd get the red one. saw's alone are only $30 different these days. tracks are a wash between Festool, Powertec, Makita, Milwaukee. Unless you really want the bevel lock on the Milwaukee track. TSO makes good stuff for them all.
I,ve been through most of the brands including festool, and have ended up with milwaukee tools . They won't fail onsite and the batteries are by far the best, especially in cold weather. Everyone likes what they like , I on the other hand like what works.
In-depth unboxing, Drew. Milwaukee is local for me. BUT, I won't use anything other than Makita when it comes to routers. All my cordless, well everything, is Milwaukee. I've never used a track saw.
this is so awesome, all my cordless tools are now Milwaukee, and currently in the market for a track saw vs. a new table saw. You made my mind up thank you. looking forward for the next long term review of this
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He said 95% chance of him on retiring he’s Makita and replacing it with the Milwaukee. You welcome.
Thank you!!! Saved me 30 mins of rant.
Video text noted “the editor gets it”. But watch the whole video.
oh best believe I skipped to the end to confirm my hunch that this stupid clickbait video title is in fact stupid clickbait. He says "hey thanks for sticking around to the end of the video". Lol my guy nobody stuck around they just went to the end.
Thanks for the great review. Being on the Milwaukee M18 platform, its a no brainer. Being that there are other great track saws out there, I'm glad to hear that Milwaukee did not dissapoint. Its nice to know that being in Makita battery line , Festool or Milwaukee, you can have first class saws in any of those lines to match your battery line up. Thanks again for the review and your obvious approval. Keep us posted.
Yes, yes and yes. But... For anyone with a large collection of DeWalt batteries, there's no track saw that's any good that takes any of those. 🤣🤣
Thanks for the in depth review and honest thoughts!
Richard! Thank you!
I bought the cordless Makita and I absolutely love it. I’m always amazed at how good it is. It’s so accurate and consistent. I don’t use a table saw.
Mine just came. Tool on Black Friday sale with 2 blades (already have batteries and charger), 2 55" tracks, and rail connector kit. $667 at HD delivered in 3 days for free. Thanks for the review, it pushed me over to it. I won't miss the box because I have drawers in shop.
I appreciate how thorough you are, both in covering the tool and answering people’s questions.
I also love
Thanks!
That was one of the most in depth "First Impression" reviews I've ever seen. Nice job.
I have been thoroughly impressed with everything I have purchased from Milwaukee M18 platform. I bought the m18 tablesaw last year to make a murphy bed and my dad said that I won't be able to do anything more than 1/2 inch plywood. Nope, it can do 3/4 ply and any hardwood that I have thrown at it. 1.5' hard maple, a bunch of different things and I have never seen it break a sweat. I can't say that Milwaukee is the best, but I can say that I have never had an issue with the power. I would recommend everything I've purchased. 1/2 impact, table saw, router, drills, random orbital, outdoor lawn trimmer with various attachments (hedge trimmer, pole saw, edger, weed whacker), leaf blower, multitool. I can only speak for the m18, I do not have any m12 yet.
I had a helper leave the packout behind the work truck and then ran over, fully I watched the dually wheels go up and over and then drag the packout toolbox 20ft and other than some scuffs it still works and opens and closes. I rode back tot he shop thinking for sure it was ruined but it was dark and late and I just would look later. Still have it and it still works as engineered and I decided if it survived a welding dually run over it can’t be beat. Expensive absolutely but those tools and packouts work even after disasters that would end the career of other tools they keep on ticking. Great review. Oh and leave the packout unlocked and grab just the big main handle and you might have a nice surprise when everything doesn’t dump out, yet another small engineering perk of Milwaukee.
We greatly appreciate the mention Drew, but we'd like to clarify something referenced in this video... At first look, the Milwaukee guide rail appears to be patterned after the Festool and Makita profiles. However, closer examination shows that multiple critical dimensions are different enough on the Milwaukee guide rail to interfere with the performance expected from TSO accessories. As a result, our Guide Rail Squares and Parallel Guide System are currently not compatible with the Milwaukee guide rail. We are working towards a solution, so please stay tuned for more news on this issue.
1st off, props for listening to the consumer with a critical ear.
2nd, cnc is not hard. Just release a secondary peripheral or create an adjustable component for the rail mechanism.
@@mouthfulacoque3580 "cnc is not hard" my friend, I don't think you have a clear understanding of product design, machining, manufacturing at scale. Bit more a play than just 'tweak the gcode' here.
@michaelbuddy with all due respect, a financial barrier to entry does not make something difficult. If you're lazy, you plug away at failed designs. If you're running a financially lucrative business, you hire someone like me to measure, execute, and implement. Its math, not magic.
Thank you TSO
First of all been building since 1990's and even before with my dad. We tried many brands my dad was all zbot the Makita. And then came Dewalt but some guys stole some of my drills. So had to stop.in yo joke depot and saw a sale for a returned tool. So I bought it. It was a Milwaukee impact and it shocked me. After I got paid I.bought the big Fuel hammer drill Milwaukee. And soon I had the saw and the saws all. Now I gave my Dewalt to a friend and he now has all Milwaukee tools. So much of special tools as well it's like no other brands. The other day I was on a job site and a plumbing guy was near done but would needed a fresh battery for 4 or 6 more connections. So I handed him my battery. And we was done fast so we got lunch. It's nice when you can help out and everyone goes home early. After my move I will be buying a few more Milwaukee tools. As I will have only 3 tools not made by Milwaukee. The biggest hand held corded Makita 12 Inc saw and its too much power I keep it for 6x6 cuts. A press drill and an old Delta saw. Oh and I forgot a never used Delta plunge cut.
I'm a General Contractor and don't have a "daily need" for a track saw, so when I first needed one a few years ago, I bought the Grizzly (as the only one available at that time was the festool which I couldn't justify that expense). In all honesty, it works fine for me and my needs. Your point is valid about the accessories as I've been trying to find a "rail square guide" for my track & can't find one for the grizzly.
That being said, after a few years, I've found more uses for my saw than I thought I would. I have been slowly replacing all my other cordless tools with Milwaukee & love the quality they produce. When the Grizzly finally wears out, I will definitely look at this saw.
No one in the construction industry has a daily need for a tracksaw, much less a general contractor. You need a computer, a phone, a table to set plans on, and some file boxes to keep up with RFIs, ASIs, RFPs, project manuals, insurance certificates, and OSHA forms. The work, as we all know, is performed by Mexicans and other "amigos" with a few white graders, plumbers and electricians thrown in. The cabinet contractor doesn't even need a tracksaw in his shop, and there's absolutely no need for one on any commercial or residential job site.
@@wulf67 You are the person I would turn to for advice about every part of my life. (I never fake sarcasm and I am not racist)
@@paulmartin2348 I don’t even think it’s possible to “fake” sarcasm. 🤔🙄😂
Welcome to Total Tool Snobbery! I grew up Craftsman, tried and true EVERYTHING had to be Craftsman... Then Sears began to crumble and my beloved brand was quality no more. I played the field, DeWalt, Makita all the usual girls.... and then it happened, Milwaukee Installer Tool with Rotary tool batteries and charger for less than $200. I'm hooked, everything is absolutely TOP NOTCH! Since I do communications and radio installation / repair I definitely use the heck out of my equipment (not construction level abuse but hard use just the same) So, WELCOME to the True RED Tool Snob Life. It's a little more expensive but your grandkids are going to inherit a great set of tools!
Wow! There are so many video reviews on TH-cam but rarely do they answer most questions people may have! Fantastic review and you just gain a subscriber.
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks a bunch for your continued work in all your videos. While there are millions of content creators, most people do not realize the back-end work before any vids are submitted for viewing. Subbed.
Should work well for quick siding repairs, with a diff. blade for sure...Oh by the way, I have an old corded Makita framing saw(81/4) bought it back in the mid 80's, I use it on average 3 days a week(going over the last 37 years) and still works well....I love my corded Makita saws.
Thanks for the vid !
I used a Makita hypoid saw for almost 20 years and then the switch went bad. Unfortunately, the switch was obsolete so I ended up buying another one. I paid $130 for the first one and $140 for the new one last year but I see they've gone up $30 since last year. I guess my timing was perfect. I abused that first saw. I used metal cutting abrasive blades to cut up an old gas tank for a welding project and got that saw so hot I couldn't hold it. Took a lickin' and kept on tickin'
What blade would you put on this track saw?
I have both the the corded Makita (which I love), but recently bought this Milwaukee. The reason I was so interested in the cordless was simply the fact that the cord on the Makita kept getting hung up on the track. So far I'm very impressed with the Milwaukee.
Anyway to put a plastic cap on the end of the track?
Get yourself a spring cord holder. Clips to your bench and keeps the cord up and out of the way. Consider an inline cord connector (Speakon) with a flexible rubber cord to replace the stiff stuff always inflicted on power tools.
@@ozerserif1608 someone would be selling 3D printed ones by now most likely
Toss the cord and hose on the work piece and grab cord in hand with the handle. Facing the cord end up. This has fixed all of that for me.
Nobody makes a good replacement for my TS-75, they're all playing with little TS-55. Maybe one day?
Also where's the rotex replacements? Rotex has been a game changer for me. It's got enough power to efficiently sand concrete patch if desired! Pretty sure you could toss on a diamond grit pad and polish stone too!
Also I just heard the domino joiner might not have a pattent here in the states... Why oh why isn't everyone making a cheaper domino-XL? (The xl is the only one I would get as it allows for mechanical joinery for say a bedframe that can come apart)
Great Review!!!
Very well done. I’m not a tool snob, and an intermediate woodworker. So, Makita cordless is what I’m picking up Tuesday. Thanks for the content.
Cordless brushless Makita is hot garbage
What a great in depth review! The number one reason I would get this is because I'm remote and off grid and I have quite a few of Milwaukee tools and batteries already. Keep up the great videos!
The makita corded seems like a great deal because if you’re taking the time to use a track saw you’re probably at a cut station and plan on cutting multiple cuts. So if you’re gonna take the time to get a super straight cut, especially on multiple cuts you might as well get an extension cord out and not worry about the power or the extra $400 to get a battery instead of a cord.
It would be nice if battery saws had an adapter to make it corded if wanted/needed similar to Dewalt 12” 120v flexvolt miter saw.
I wish Dewalt, makita, Milwaukee and other brands made an adapter for all cordless tools for those times when you don’t necessarily care about cordless or you run out of battery and need the cord.
Hikoki/Metabo HPT make just that for their 36v tools range. I've got it for the Metabo HPT table saw and its great. Fits into the battery slot and attaches to a transformer. Everyone else should be selling it!
I know what you are saying , but dewalt adaptors for the 2x60volt are known to brick your tool…. Be careful with adaptors
Great video! I don’t have a track saw yet but have been thinking about one for a while. I this sold me on the Milwaukee. Your videos are always very high quality and you deserve to be a BIG TH-cam channel. Keep up the hard work, it isn’t going unnoticed!
Love the longer format deep-dives. I"m a Makita Man myself (though not blinded to other tools when they're superior). I've found that after using cordless tools, I hate going back to the corded versions. A cord is just such a hassle, especially in a small shop with things the cord can snag on.
Two small corrections: the Makita 36V track saw DOES indeed have an electric brake, and has kick-back detection which cuts the power if the blade gets pinched.
I'd like to see a direct "head to head" performance comparison between the cordless Makita and Milwaukee doing the same cuts in Hard Maple and then Hickory as a torture test. I'd love to see the accuracy at various angles, dust extraction, power, and battery longevity.
Thank you! Wasn't sure how people would like a 30+ min video.
You're right, the cordless ones have the brake (I know the 40v does for sure). My corded doesnt - thats what I was thinking of in the moment. Didn't know the 36 had kickback detection!
good test criteria. I'll do it.
@@wittworks
There’s a speech, the speech to inform. Following that format you’ll be able to really give us a thorough understanding of the saw. 1/2 hour? Yes I’d guess that is too long.
Give the format a try.
Get some note cards.
Practice in front of a mirror.
You understand the subject.
You’ll have fun knowing you have time, you haven’t repeated yourself.
I’ll bet you’ll be very successful.
I’m not going to labor the point -
Set yourself apart with clear concise delivery, format.
And by the way I surely would not be interested if you hadn’t gotten me interested.👍👍
@@johnrice6793 What? @Wittworks could give lessons on informative structure and delivery.
P.S. (You meant "belabor the point", not "labor the point".)
@@DHClapp Here we go -
Never offer a suggestion to improve the video.
I’d love to see your content. Please send a link.
When I bought my Makita 2x18V cordless track saw in May 2021 - the presence of the brake, the amazing dust collection and the lack of a cable blew my mind, coming from a Makita corded circular saw. I immediately knew the cordless track saw was "the one". I used the track saw just recently and it still blows my mind. It's like magic how it works. Model is DSP600ZJ 36v (Twin 18v) Brushless Plunge Cut Circular Saw 165mm. Edit: oh and I paid GBP£319... Half the price of this Milwuakee. You prefer the features - not that actual saw.
This was a terrific first impression! I'm a woodworking hobbyist and bought the Festool Cordless TSC55KEB last September, and it arrived in time for Christmas. My "workshop" is my sidewalk and patio so I had to wait until Spring to start my builds for this year. If this Milwaukee track saw came out last year, it would have been a contender. I didn't buy the Makita because it has no riving knife so I went with the Festool and have been thrilled with its performance. The Festool blade stops within 2 seconds of the saw losing contact with the track. That was the big selling feature along with the little plastic limit stop to prevent kickback at the start of my cuts. Yeah, a cheap piece of plastic was a selling point lol. I might be 125-130 lbs with some muscle, but kickback was a huge concern for me (yes, it should be for everyone). This Milwaukee sounds like a terrific option! Glad there's another option in the track saw mix. As always, your vids are perfect and so informative!!!
I can't speak highly enough of milwaukee fuel products. The non fuel stuff however is not professional equipment in my eyes, but DIY'ers might find them useful I cannot say for certain.
I made the switch away from makita in 2022 and have been quite happy for doing so. Makita is good don't get me wrong, but it's not milwaukee.
I highly recommend thier m18 fuel impact gun. It has 4 different power settings. It can be as delicate as a low power 12v, or powerful enough to drive screws right through your workpiece should you decide to, the power is in your hands and they gave you the controls to finesse it! Thier variable speed multi tool is top notch. Thier variable speed angle grinder (the one with toggle switch not paddle switch) is also top notch. I've used Metabo grinders for decades, they are also top notch, but corded...
Milwaukee is definetly one of the companies I look towards for my tools.
That being said I have the festool TS-75 (forget exact model) and that thing is a dream to use. Such perfect crisp cuts off that thing. I installed the $130 dollar composite blade in there, might be partially why.
Also the rotex sanders are game changers. Depending on the task you can be done 5x faster at least. Even then you can swap modes and go random orbit after surfacing for finer grits. It's not as fast as a belt sander in rotex mode, but the finish quality vs a belt sander is readily visible.
While I hope milwaukee makes all of these tools. I'm already bought in over here. If something needed replaced I would probably check milwaukee 1st. I don't love cords. The track saw I'm fine with a cord because it automatically triggers my festool vacuum which I love! I use that for my floor grinder too, saves accidentally dusting your environment with concrete dust!
Hey man this is the most honest review I have seen for a long time, thank you.
Love the video, had a thought on the trackless cross cut section. If you’re using it as a plain Jane circular saw, just under that front handle there’s a lock switch (different from the arbor lock for blade changes)
When engaged, you can make your plunge cut and it will lock itself plunged so you can put more focus on your alignment and pushing rather than on keeping the blade plunged in place.
Anyways, hope that helps someone!
Really good video! It’s really nice to have someone who has more experience on a wide variety of track saws and tracks. So many times these days you can’t touch or even see the tool before you get it.
A year later, no in depth video....
He's too busy sneaking up on all his cuts because he can't measure 🤣
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Good, informative review! Nicely done. I'm a Milwaukee and Makita guy. Makita fit and finish and smooth operation are always top notch. Big power with 18volts is Milwaukee's calling card. But I think they've about reached the limit of what you can reasonably get from 18volts and are probably going/have already started to do what Makita did years ago that a lot of folks laughed at: Run two batteries at once for 36volts. Wires can only handle so many amps. When you double your voltage, you cut your amps in half, or open the door to twice the potential power, theoretically. But I can already build a house without a cord and I don't miss them a bit. Amazing times we live in. Can't wait for part two. I'm still waiting to see if I go Makita or Milwaukee for a cordless track saw. Based on what I've seen here and other videos, I don't think I'll be disappointed either way. I'm already heavily invested in both brand's 18v platforms and love just about every tool I have from both of them.
But I gotta tell ya, other than big drilling or circular sawing or grinding, I pick up the Milwaukee 12v stuff first every time. If I'm driving big screws all day, or simply need lots of power, I'll of course use the 18v stuff. I just don't need big power most of the time.
This was great. I really can't think of a better way to do a video after 24 hours with a saw. Can't wait for the in depth review!
Appreciate you
@@wittworks Why are you pissed? You seem quite pleased with your saw and I feel like the title is disingenuous and clickbaity.
Also, why didn't you comment on that box. It is absolutely enormous and could be kind of a dealbreaker for carpenters. I certainly wouldn't enjoy hauling this box around multiple stairs. Can't even stack it with systainers.
@@emilebeckerseb It is a little clickbaity but he's pissed that it might make him retire the makita since he likes it so much, kind of a nostalgic feeling for the makita and not wanting to stop using it. If you watched till the end you would've heard him explain that. And why would millwaukees packout systems work with systainers? Milwaukee has their own system which is expensive, but it is a much more expansive system. They just slapped the foam into one of the boxes that they already have, no point in making a custom box just for the tracksaw.
Did you watch till the end? Also. Google what clickbait is. No deception here. Legit bait. You clicked. Congratulations. I could comment on the box and the video would be 40min long
I just got a corded Makita over black friday and picked up a 118" track. I already own Milwaukee M18 fuel tools. Even though it appears this is a very good saw, I am happy with my purchase and have no regrets with my decision and I don't feel the need to jump to this saw. There will always be a new tool so no need to always chase the newest and best things.
I'm impressed what Milwaukee can do with a single 18v battery. They are using a 1.6mm blade to pull this off. If I were on team red and just starting off I'd probably purchase this saw. I'd love to see this compared in detail to the Makita x2 or 40v as well as the Festool TS 55 K.
It's the high output with 21700 cells so close to double the amps, up to 84A. Mafell has this for years with 8Ah for the saws, but weirdly no cordless jigsaw yet.
The blade kerf I found listed is more 2.2mm not 1.6mm
I have the Makita x2 36V. I like the variable speed. It's height adjuster also takes into account no track vs track. I have the Makita x2 36V Rear Handle 7-1/4 saw which cuts through anything I'd throw at it so it was a no brainer.
Got mines this week & used it this morning ridiculous cut on 2 ¼ 356 maple baseboard 7ft long with a ½" notch out for the back 5ft.
My cut was from the top of the notch angled down to the base of the work piece so basically a 24" wedge perfect angle and cut with the track being supported by a surplus piece of 356 . Zero issues, more a test of the track really but still happy how everything worked
I recently came across your TH-cam channel and I must say, I was impressed. As a first-time viewer, I found myself hooked on your content. Your talent with the camera is undeniable and it's clear that you have a passion for making and editing videos.
I personally don't have much interest in tracksaws, but I found myself engrossed in your videos about them. Your ability to break down the pros and cons in a clear and concise manner was spot on. It was easy to understand the features and benefits of each saw, even for someone like me who doesn't have much experience with them.
In addition to your technical knowledge, I appreciated your enthusiasm and passion for the subject matter. It was clear that you truly enjoy making these videos and that made them even more enjoyable to watch.
Overall, I was impressed with your content and I have subscribed to your channel. I look forward to watching more of your videos in the future. Keep up the great work!
Thank you. Where do I send the check?
Thanks for the honest review. It's folks like you who give that brass tacks review that help the lowly woodworker make the best decisions.
I appreciate that!
Dang it. I was sold on going Festool or Makita based on whatever I best deal I can get. Now watching this I’m leaning in Milwaukee’s direction. It’ll be later this year, but I guess I’m saving up for Milwaukee. Keep up the great work. Gig ‘em.
Doubtful it will wind up stacking up to every spec across the board, but ridgid put out a teaser for a track saw coming out this year. You probably didn't need the water to get "muddier", but just incase you have some of their battery tools already...
This was the first Wittworks video that I have ever watched. I am extremely impressed with your dedication and attention to details. Thanks!
Wow, thank you! Hard work pays off.
My favorite woodworking channel now. Thanks man. Also best customer service as well and dust covers are top notch. New Patreon here I come! Looks like a sweet saw. Makes me watch to get rid of my wen lol
Thank you
I got the dust shield from you, works great. The Wen track works with the Milwaukee and the with the 45 degree lock when cutting a bevel. I got 110” of that track for way less than the Milwaukee track. The saw is amazing. I have had a corded Festool in the past but could not justify the cost. This saw is totally worth it. Thanks wittworks. Great channel.
Thank you for being so in depth, your one of the few channels that thoroughly explains what/why/how. We just bought a house so I'm financially not in the position to even justify the WEN lol, I have a homemade track/jig. But watching this reminded me of when I first started woodworking. I was watching a channel that will remain nameless, but he built a router sled to flatten a coffee table top. So I'm like what a great idea, so I built one to flatten the not to be named project he built that I copied. Thing is, me being a dummy newbie, I only made sure I was building on a flat surface as he said. Lol he didn't say anything about the sled being completely level. So mine wasn't level, not his fault it was ruined I'm the dummy that didn't shim it, but like I said I was an idiot newbie and didn't know any better. Point to this long winded comment is thank you for being so in depth, remember you may have viewers or new clicks watching saying "wtf is a riving knife" or whatever, you get the point. So yeah man great video keep them coming!
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Thank you, great review!
Not surprising that Ryobi and Milwaukee use the same track, same parent company in TTI.
With regard the battery, they can only be shipped with 25-30% charge legally, that is the same for all power tool brands.
Nice in depth review, thank you from those of us who design power tools for a living
for all the grief we give today's toolmakers about quality slowly going down the tubes, nice to know there are still some good guys paying attention!
thanks for what you do, drew
Thank you
Who gives grief about quality? On the whole, it's far higher than old days. I'm 67. Cost to average earnings, it's far cheaper. Complexity much greater because we demand it and that affects reliability and cost. And options are far wider - throwaway almost free supermarket, eg Aldi, to bomb proof Mafell - we pays our money and we takes our choice.
I do have comments or in this case a thank you, I don’t currently have a track saw yet because I have my own shop with table saw and 14” band saw and I love my Festool compound mitre and my sanders that are also Festool. I love the guys like you that buy and grind it out for the little guys like us me including. I have been on the fence with Milwaukee and Festool because I have Porter Cable cordless tools and they’ve been good but I would like to have the best in the near future. I do have a business and I rely on these tools which is why I like listening to awesome guys like you about these reviews. Thank you so much, I think you’ve helped me so much and I think I know what I will be putting in my shop soon😊👍
Thank you! Good luck
Thanks for the heads up, I am still out a bit on the purchase of this track saw so I will wait to see if anything changes for the better between now and when I can afford this outfit. Thank you so much Drew for the follow up on this review and yes that statement says it all man😊👍
I liked, subscribed, and saying thank you! I'm newer to woodworking and appreciate the in depth explanation and comparisons! You're doing a great job. God bless!
Thank you very much! We need more woodworkers like you Beth!
I’m a Makita plug in owner. Bought the Etsy cut depth indicator to set depth with or without track. Very handy. Added a piece of tape with metric to imperial measurements for standard sheet goods thicknesses. When I chose mine I said to myself this is a lifetime tool for me. No tool manufacturers think of batteries as a lifetime battery. 12/20 years from now can you guarantee that you’ll be able to buy a Milwaukee battery for that saw? I bet I’ll be able to plug in my makita.
I'm a cabinet maker, and all my power tools are Makita, so I was going to go with their track saw just to stay consistent. I build decorative wood hoods over the range and sometimes the pieces are too big to crosscut on my tablesaw, unless I make a bigger sled, but mines big enough already imo. Did I hear correctly that the Makita track saw uses metric only? This could sway me to the Milwaukee, but mainly looking for something to cut various angles bevels on large pieces with a consistent finish depending on the look the customer wants. Great info!
Great job for 1st impressions. You covered all the big questions! 😁 As to length, 33 minutes is long, BUT you kept my interest. I really appreciate good comparison videos and yours are very informative! Keep it up!
I just bought the Makita cordless because I had the batteries. It never occurred to me that that didn't make sense, probably because I just use a regular shopvac. It is a good point, and maybe Festool's latest battery extractor has that worked out with Bluetooth... I think I saw something like that. Limping along with the dust extractor that I have, I appreciate that I only have one hose/cord to deal with.
You’re correct on the Festool Bluetooth and their batteries. It’s a nice feature.
Great video! I enjoy a tool review video every now and again and you did a great job breaking down the features, etc. (Better than others I have watched) I just bought the Makita and the Milwaukee is well outside of my price range but it looks like a great saw.
Thank you sir. Makita won’t disappoint. These are all splurges
I a true Milwaukee tools fan. And I actually carry my Milwaukee tools in Dewalt bags, so no one will steal them. lol
You should get the Ryobi pack out style system. You’ll not only have no theft, you’ll have Get Well Soon cards and Home Depot gift cards with notes they hope you are saved (I’m a Ryobi guy mostly, but that’s because I make shelves and tables, and that’s about it lol).
@@flatroc1 hahaha I did the same when buying Makita xgt. Dewalt does make some nice tool storage
Love these type of educational vids, bit eye opening if you of all people are going to probably switch to it over the Makita. Look forward to seeing the full in-depth video as I'm at the stage where I want to start upgrading tools and I definitely think a good track saw will be worth it's weight in gold for what I do. Keep it up mate!
Thank you! I own Milwaukee tools but was on the fence about getting this of the festool. Your video was helpful.
One of the deciding factors for me upgrading from the ryobi platform to makita was the track saw… if only i knew Milwaukee was coming out with such a nice track saw…
Silver lining you will save a boat load of money
i would like to note that i was able to get my milwaukee track saw without battery for just over $300 new, and it seems like deals of this magnitude drop every few months. Not bad for one year or so after release. It’s my first M18 tool. I have a number of M12 tools and I have been really impressed with how usable they are (they are light but still powerful enough to be generally useful)
in light of that price point, it changes the value proposition, but I do not know about whether other branded tools (festool/makita/etc) also have similarly deep sales or not.
At any rate, these red tools definitely spark joy for me so you’ll be seeing a lot of red around my garage… Been happy with Ego and Milwaukee over here.
Thank you for your time and effort.
I understand your feelings on the potential change.
I bought my Festool TS55 more than 15 years ago and I
haven't looked back. It still serves me well today. I like the look
of all the new ones and I would consider the Makita corded as my
backup saw due to price. I have the 1200mm, 2400mmtracks and a 500mm 700mm pair I made from a 1200mm for Kitchen fitting and tight spots. I would definitely get the 3000mm for handlig sheet materials.
I'm looking forward to the full review coming up.
I have a Evolution, I have used it 3/4 times and I'm happy with it. It came with 3 short tracks that are put together like yours. I also ordered 2- 55 inch tracks so I could cut a full length of plywood. I paid a lot less than you did like my cost was $225.00. If you can send it back and get your money back. GOOD LOOK
This is the absolute most detailed FREAKIN AWESOME review of any kind I have seen anywhere on You Tube. Dude, you are amazing. Liked and sub'd.
i'm glad that you had a realization, that manufacturers have listened, and in this case ... it even surprised you. Good to keep an open mind. Thank you for not slamming anyone, and keeping it real.
You do the right thing; you label first-impression videos as exactly what they are. I'm so tired of getting like 20 minutes in and finding out "now I just took this out of the box...". That's not a review. That's a first impression or "unboxing"; Reviews are different. SO thank you for making that very clear up front, both in title and in the meat of the video. Well done, sir.
Also, HOLY CRAP! I've forgotten to mail that arbor cover back that I wrongly ordered. Consider it on the way first thing tomorrow. Sorry about that. :\
Thank you. No worries. People will still watch it and miss what I said and complain that I didn’t run it into the ground (yet)
Yes watching this a year later. This was my first woodworking tool after my drill. It’s a pleasure to use it.
I ended up going with the Makita 40v, since I was able to get a pretty good deal around Christmas time. For $600 I received the track saw, two stackable boxes, two batteries, the charger, and a 39" guide rail. I was not looking to get into the 40v platform, but I felt it was too good a deal to pass up.
Wow what a score for $600!
This is by far the best review. I’ve watched over 30 reviews on this Milwaukee saw and this is the very first time that I hear that it has a break, this is an actual feature. I was looking forward because I have a Milwaukee circular saw, and I love the fact that it has a break. So knowing this is starting to sway me more towards this saw, versus, the saw Stop table saw that I wanted to buy. I think it gives me a safer control over a table saw.
thank you
Does the saw cut line up with the splinter guard on 45 degree cut?
This. That simple detail is a big reason why I chose the Festool.
I’ll try that and report back
It’s hard to beat the green precision. Have you seen their new sys table saw?
wondering that exact question, currently waiting to purchase because if it doesnt i,m going with the tsc55k
@@wittworks Please do!
Love listening to people who really know what they are talking about.
I got tired of waiting for Milwaukee to release this tool and decided to go with the cordless Makita dual 5ah battery and couldn’t be happier. It does everything I need it to do and more. I figured it’s such a specialized tool that it wasn’t that big of a deal to go with another brand. I probably will eventually go with the 6ah batteries for a little more juice though.
The 6Ah batts are a bit of a performance downgrade. You’re probably better off getting a second set of 5Ahs.
@@reaperreaper5098 Where's the science to back that claim up? The 6ah provides more runtime and a tad more power I thought. Why do you think all big power Makita tools in Japan come with 6ah batteries?
@@clarkfos3447 Individual reviewers, such as Tools & Stuff have tested this.
Also, when lifespan between cells of the same size is similar, high capacity cells have lower discharge rates and vice versa. Milwaukee’s older 18650 based 6Ah XC is weaker than its 5Ah counterpart. Same for DeWalt.
There’s a reason that 6Ah (18650) batteries aren’t overly common in most markets, whereas those same markets are dominated by 5Ahs.
@@clarkfos3447 Makita’s 6Ah batteries use Sony VTC6, which offer 15A discharge at the cell level, or 30A continuous for the entire battery.
The 5Ahs use either Sony VTC5s or Samsung 25Rs, both of which are 20A on the cell, 40A for the pack.
@@clarkfos3447 Discharge is literally what determines power output.
Plenty of people have torn down and repaired Makita’s batteries, found that 6Ah packs use higher capacity, lower discharge cells. It’s not some sort of revelation.
Thank you so much for the most extensive, in-depth “first impressions” video i have ever seen, and what looks like many others feeling the same. This is my first time seeing your channel and watching a video and you definitely hooked me. I’m yours! Aloha
You will find that the tool industry is cyclic with every company iterating off the first to market. Almost without fail the 2nd and 3rd to market perform better, have more features or are smaller/lighter.
100%
Very true. It’s called the Mafell MT55 and it was second to market …15 years ago….
When I bought the track saw accessories from you on Etsy, little did I know you had a channel that I’d love too! Keep up the hard work man!
I'm Team Red but I bought the Festool. Here in Canada the Festool kit with batteries is $999. The Milwaukee is $878. So for an extra $100 I get full Bluetooth batteries which automatically start the vacuum. No idea how Milwaukee missed this, they should have at least added a bluetooth remote to their new Vac. Not having a power cord dangling around the vac hose is so much nicer. Great job on the review!
Same here. I have Festool track saw for over 10 years. I think 2 sides splinter guard already worth the $100 difference, let alone Bluetooth capabilities. I'm sure Festool holds patent for the Bluetooth feature. That's the reason others can not do yet.
I have the Bosch profactor track saw. It also has Bluetooth for the hepa vac.
Good video! I bought my Festool track saw back in 2005 and can't remember ever wishing it was battery-powered. Even when I've used it in "job site" applications, we always had power.
If you have an extractor connected, can see the problem with mains power.
I actually enjoyed the video and thankfully I am partially invested in the Milwaukee, so I will pick this up for the things you have covered. I recently picked up their new wet dry vac and paired it with just a regular circular saw and it worked really well, so I would imagine doing so the same with this track saw. I am a contractor, but I like to work in a dust free environment as much as possible. Now, I just need to wait for a sweet deal on this sucker because I am still pissed about the price.
I doubt they’ll cut the price. Maybe Hd will do a Father’s Day thing?
@@wittworks they did at one point but it was limited preorder promotion
23:05 That’s one of my favorite things about Milwaukee Fuel stuff. Those brushless motors are amazing. My M18 Fuel rear handle saw cuts effortlessly and you don’t feel anything in the motor. It also has the brake on the motor. I love everything about my M18 rear handle circ saw. The depth adjustment is strong, smooth and easy to use. The marks are easy to see and very intuitive. The angle adjustment is smooth, strong and easy to use. The handles fit and hold so well. The only thing I’ve found I don’t like about is the angel adjustment hinge is at the front of the saw in line with blade and when cutting in the dark with a head lamp, it throws a shadow in the line in front of the saw. Now I cut mostly by lining the blade up with mark at the cut itself but for quick, larger tolerance cuts I use the line in front and the sight on the saw base. That’s my only complaint. Other than that, it blew me away like this track saw is doing you. I can’t believe I waited so long to get the M18 rear handle circ saw. I’m hoping the layoff at work hurry’s up and ends so I can start budgeting for this track saw. I want it so bad and it will pay for itself with production and accuracy but that’s a lot for a saw. Thanks for the video. Liked, commented and subscribed! Gonna check out your 3d printed store too.
My biggest issue is that they lied about the price. They raised the price since this was revealed.
Yeah it’s about the same price as the Festool now.
Yes! Dang it. I forgot about this! Thank you for reminding me.
Given the price of eggs, I can forgive them this sin in this period of hyperinflation.
Hahaha. Poor chickens
So, admittedly I’m a DEWALT guy, but in this regard they’re in the same ballpark when it comes to new developments in motor design. So I’m not surprised that top of the line battery motors are as powerful as they are. I don’t need a track saw, but everything else I have is almost overpowered these days. Even my small 20 volt DEWALT 3” cutoff tool, according to the Torque Test Channel puts out about a horse with a 5 amp hour Powerstack battery. Considering how tiny that brushless motor is, it doesn’t seem possible. So I’m not surprised at the performance of the Milwaukee.
I get why people would buy this over the corded Makita. Yeah. I’m going cordless on everything. Just every time I go back to one of my corded tools, it just seems to be such a hassle. Constantly checking where the cord is. Making sure I’m not grinding it, or cutting it. Having it bind against something, or running out of length. Or, finding the outlet is where I can’t get to it from where I need the tool, necessitating an extension, which I then have to put away. Those are just some of the problems we didn’t think of back when, because there was no alternative. So if you don’t need that ridiculous plastic case, if they offer it, you buy the bare tool. I do that much of the time these days. The savings are huge, and after you end up with four (or is it five?) chargers, and almost a dozen batteries in various sizes, you find that you don’t need that nice case after all.
That’s the thing I like about all the battery operated tools… They all break immediately! Thanks for the review, so helpful!
Well the packout and battery alone are like 500$ lmao
Hahaha
Yeah the "case" is what? 140? The battery is maybe 120? That's the decent charger so that's another 150.
Thanks for the honest overview. Looking forward to the next one.
Jesus they’re not even trying to hide the fact that it’s a clone of the festool 🤣🤣🤣 depth and angle adjustment is identical. No surprise there given it’s a Chinese company
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I must admit I haven’t seen the Festool one so I didn’t know it was copied. I’m trying really hard to get one to review. They said they’d send me one. So, that’s why I haven’t dropped $700-900. But we’ll see.
Jesus saves, so please respect the name, but I think He may be relatively uninterested in the arcane area of intellectual property law. In the absence of patent protection (or in the presence of a license), there is nothing under the law in the USA that prevents any entity from duplicating useful features of competitors’ products.
@@CurlyWoofsaw stop. Saw stop . Saw stop. Comm’ on bro…
Not the same. They went a festool route but it’s far from identical. Battery/power/dust port/ anti tip/ riving knife/ Packout box/ no blue tooth/ anyone legit has Milwaukee batteries/ one battery instead of two.
I love your channel, lots of information and easy to understand. I’m a diy’er weekend warrior for more than 10 years and my makitas never failed me. I still have the old drill and impact driver and my corded circular saw and worm drive. I have been looking to purchase a plunge saw and makita was the one although it’s still in my cart to buy. Still hesitant to click buy because of the price. But then I saw this video, I think I’m going with Milwaukee 😮
Awesome video.
I’m still in the infancy of my woodworking. But when I get to purchasing a track saw. THIS will be the video that I come back to reference.
Thank you.
Thank you for this! Making a first track saw purchase soon and im already invested in the Milwaukee battery system. This sealed the deal.
This saw th-cam.com/users/postUgkx84IcU5pbZd1Qrz8u4-YRLmJax7kdRi7B comes in handy in many ways. When I had a small (dead) tree fall I started the process of disposal by using this saw and cutting off the small branches. Then slowly work on the small trunk with undercutting and letting it fall down. With many trees on acres of land paying for a tree service can be expensive. It also is nice in that it can be used in hard to get areas like along my creek. It's also safer and quieter than a chainsaw. It obviously can't cut down massive trees but it does work fine for small ones or brush. And of course since I already own a Black
Thanks!
I love makita as well but I also have Milwaukee tools.
Thanks for all you do to help other builders like myself. Keep up the good work.
Nice first impressions, I just picked one up. Home Depot daily deal $380 tool only with a Milwaukee jig saw, $342 with military discount.
For all long cuts with my Makita 36v track saw I now use a Makita track clamp on each end. That eliminates the tendency of the track to slip out of alignment because of the way the saw is held. I find I am more relaxed while pushing my my saw along the track because I know the track does not budge from my cut line. Of course this does not work if you cut on top of sacrificial foam on the floor. That is hard on the knees too!
Good initial review. Looking forward to your in depth review.
Before this Milwaukee was ever in existence, I bought the Makita Corded Track saw and 2 or 3 of the 55 inch tracks and connectors. A buddy has numerous Festool tracks I can always use too. I have always been a Milwaukee tool fan ever since buying Milwaukee Right Angle Drills and Sawzall's over the past 35 years of carpentry. If I ever get a cordless Milwaukee, it will be this one to go with their cordless Impact wrench.
Scrolling around TH-cam, and I see the dude in the thumbnail and thought “dude kinda looks like Drew”. Starts autoplaying, and I think that REALLY looks like Drew. Look and the channel name and think that…IS Drew.
No idea how or why the algorithm tossed this video on the home page but it was pretty neat to see you’ve got a channel that seems to be doing pretty well. Cheers bud.
You still got that blue strat? Thanks for saying hi!
Still got it. Doesn’t get as much use these days but you never forget your first!
For sure.
I really appreciate your honest opinions on these tools. Great video.
Helpful video, thanks. Currently trying to figure out which one to buy. I wish this one was offered corded just because I like the dust collection convenience especially since I don't plan on using it without dust collection
Awesome job. I’ve been on the Mikwaukee platform for years now. This confirmed my wait for Milwaukee’s track saw was worth it. Thank you.
Excellent first impression video. This is very timely for me as I am looking for a cordless track saw. These new and/or improved features make it impossible for me to overlook the appeal of Milwaukee. I just might wait to pull the plug until you release your second comprehensive comparison cordless track saw video. Thank you very much for doing these videos.
thanks. I'm set on Milwaukee batteries already so I'd get the red one. saw's alone are only $30 different these days. tracks are a wash between Festool, Powertec, Makita, Milwaukee. Unless you really want the bevel lock on the Milwaukee track. TSO makes good stuff for them all.
I,ve been through most of the brands including festool, and have ended up with milwaukee tools . They won't fail onsite and the batteries are by far the best, especially in cold weather. Everyone likes what they like , I on the other hand like what works.
In-depth unboxing, Drew. Milwaukee is local for me. BUT, I won't use anything other than Makita when it comes to routers. All my cordless, well everything, is Milwaukee. I've never used a track saw.
Thank you for the time and money that you invested in your review. I look forward to the follow up video.
Thank you
this is so awesome, all my cordless tools are now Milwaukee, and currently in the market for a track saw vs. a new table saw. You made my mind up thank you. looking forward for the next long term review of this
Thanks for reviewing this saw. I’m a brand loyalist too and can feel your pain when a different brand comes out ahead.