It's sad how poorly written the primarchs were in HH novels. Khan shows what a well written primarch feels like and it's awesome. All the others...jesus christ they just sound like emotionally stunted morons
@@milominderbinder8655 To be fair I think the point is that they're emotionally stunted. That just the whole idea and implementation of superhuman eugenics mega babies was doomed to create weird emotionally fucky adults when their dad is so far beyond human he just can't even remember basic human decency or the emotional needs of his sons. That and I don't think he cared much either. I do agree it could've been better written because sometimes they do shit that's fully stupid and it does come across more as rough writing than anything else
Horus to Khan: You hate the Emperor, why are you loyal? Khan to Horus: Bro, you guys sold your souls to literal demons. The alternative is to serve a our father. Not a hard choice.
What is so stupid is absolutely no reason it has to be one of those 2 things. The setting is mature enough now and so long overdue with an anti-imperial faction that are not what a 13 year old would call cool. Not following the emperor guarantees a fall to a demonic extreme... somehow? Always? Why!? He is genuinely God then if disagreeing with him 100% is part and parcel to damnation.
Slaanesh: So we have two boys who like drinking tea and poetry. Let's see how they react my parties. Fulgrim: I would sink into the decadance! Jagathai: ...I bolted out of the room the instant I saw the crab claws. I'm greatful I'm fast.
Yeah he didn't like what the Emperor stood for in most ways but he did like the idea of going to war forever and that humanity had a right to the universe (points against him there lol) but he also knew it would be stupid to throw his lot in with traitors and not expect them to backstab each other or him eventually. That's BEFORE the chaos corruption that made him just go hard pass absolutely not.
@@Pragabond his conversation with Mortarion on the dust and ash of Prospero is fantastic in light of your comment, his distain and mild goading of Mortarion for falling to chaos with all the rejects
I'm convinced that if they had an easier paint scheme they'd be one of the most popular factions. They're fun to play, they have very interesting lore, but painting white sucks ass...
Corvus needs to come back next, appearing in Guilliman's Study fron the shadows and drop a sack on his desk. He then walks away as Guilliman opens it up, just to see Lorgar's head looking back at him.
Jaghatai's clarity of thought is incredible. My favorite quote rarely gets referenced and puts him in stark contrast to Horus. It shows why Chaos has no purchase on him: "I do not doubt your visions. But what do they change? Shall we stare up at the shadows and let our blades fall from our hands? Know this, son of Magnus. There is more under the arch of heaven than victory or defeat. We may fall back but not forever. We may feint and we may weave, but not forever. We may yet be doomed to lose all that we cherish, but we shall do so in the knowledge that we could have turned away, and did not. We remained true. They can never have this, not if they burn all we built and scorn us through the dancing flames. You hear me? We remained true."
I think the level-headed demeanor of him makes it even more unlikely that he'll be returning any time soon, since unlike his brothers of more popular legions, he also does not seem in need of some wild character progression.
Nah, I do think he'll be the next Loyalist to return. Sandman of Terra convinced me of that. Thematically, it makes too much sense with Fulgrim coming back. The Lion and Guilliman would have serious trouble fighting Snakeboy at the moment, but the Khan can enter into Alakh Geh and handle six arms or whatever it is. I bet Lorgar shows up at the beginning of 11th or end of 10th edition too. Leman will be the big 11th edition return I think.
@@thisistherevolt To be fair just because it would be thematically good and a smart pick from a writing perspective doesn't mean that GW will make that good writing choice. Especially since the Khan isn't super popular and ultimately a Primarch coming back IS still first about selling models. Why not bring back the most popular and get bigger number? I saw the video too and I think he made great points but writers are individuals so no guarantee the people overseeing the lore in general will have the same perspective. It would be insanely dope to have him come back next he's my favorite and him being among the first three to return would give him a chance to finally be seen by the fandom and given all the more time to flesh him out and show why he's the best. If he's like the 5th or 6th to come back things will be so crowded they might just not even do more than a book on him. I would kill to see the Khan come back and just straight up start doing his own thing in the Dark Imperium or something because man fuck the Imperium and my dad's dusty brittle ass. Extra dope if he's learned the webway well enough to be able to travel easily within the Dark Imperium without the light of the Emperor.
@@Pragabond a fellow person of culture? For the Emperor and the Khan brother. In Sandman's member only streams he's mentioned a couple details not in the video, like how Dan Abnett likely has the easiest path to revealing the Khan with the conclusion of the King in Yellow and Eisenhorn stuff. The Webway, Raskin, the Custodes and the Dark Aeldari Golden Throne mess needs to get explained away too, which can be tied up nicely with the Pariah Nexus stuff. There's a path that can easily bring the Khan back here, while advancing the storyline.
His character is helped a great bit by being written from only one author's ( a very competent one at that) viewpoint. That allows him so much more consistency as opposed to Horus for example. Also as far as 10 foot tall demigods of war go....he is very relatable, rational, down to earth and good to his sons.
One of the things I appreciate is that instead of going for the hot headed barbarian speed demon trope, they actually made him a level headed and complex individual.
I find it hilarious that the Khan's place amongst the fandom and the way he is treated by the lore when he doesn't have the spotlight just lines up perfectly with his character. He's the unknown and unremarkable, until you actually pay attention to him and he turns out to be the most fascinating person amongst a dysfunctional family of absolute drama queens, just by how _normal_ he is. He doesn't have bombastic petty drama to him, and that's an anomaly amongst the sons of the Emperor who seem to live and breathe petty drama. He has no secrets, everything is laid bare, but nobody knows a damn thing about him because they don't see him to be as important as his brothers, and that's exactly how he likes it.
Russ and the Khan are super similar. Both have legions who have large importance on their culture, both are seen as savages and superstitious, ect. Love them both.
The key difference is that Russ deliberately puts up a facade of being a savage. The Khan is just content with letting people be wrong so his opponents underestimate him and make mistakes.
jaghatai is objectively the coolest, and weirdly most well-adjusted primarch. their HH storyline is short, and mostly self-contained: Scars -> Path of Heaven -> Primarch novel in that order.
@@Sharksvsnids the White Scars centric novels are great. Khan sticking his foot up Morty's ass on the ruins of Redboy's world is a particular standout.
I have to disagree slightly with well-adjusted. That has to go to Guilliman. The Khan isn’t maladjusted, but he has his moments. When conquering Chigoris he annihilated entire tribes that refused to join him, including the women and children. He also killed his own legion, though in his defense, they were traitors, so we can hardly hold it against him. Lastly, he is a bit more idealistic than the norm, waffling between supporting his father and not. He was inexplicably part of the group that confronted Malcador (along with Alpharius and Horus) over the issue of the statues of the lost Primarchs, whom he had never met.
Jaghatai Khan is gaining a lot of love in the community, as of late. I think that’s due to people finally recognizing how well characterized and relatable he really is. Plus being the Burn-Khan of the Imperium helps quite a bit. I think your video was a good gateway for people to look into him, I know that Majorkill and Wolf Lord Rho highly respect the Khan but I don’t know the opinions of other creators on him.
There isn't, you're looking at steppe ponytails versus the Cossack front strands. You'd get a democracy award for calling them Ukrainian Cossacks though :D
I just started the siege of terra series and one of the things I love is the dynamic between the Khan, Sanguinius, and Dorn, those three work really well together for the story.
"I heard from a contact on Mars, Jaghatai, that you do strange things to your ships.' The Khan shot him a heavy-lidded stare. 'I heard you do strange things to your warriors." A burn so epic even Vulkan felt it.
wasn't expecting the Omori music at the end lmao. Loved the video, it's making me appreciate him more since my only exposure to White Scars lore so far was from a couple short stories involving Kor'sarro
Also, my dude yesugei was one of the coolest characters in the heresy. Super strong psyker but also just incredibly insightful and almost an emotional and spiritual guide and friend for jaghatai. He was the most important white scar at that point other than jaghatai of course. A true philosopher. Most under rated legion of them all. If you read the heresy, they will become one of your fav legions
@@Runner-hd7ug Gman is the only reason I said one of the only, but I’d put his wisdom around 12 so I don’t count it as an investment. The khan has at least 16
@@syraphian Wisdom is the decision making for a proper reaction to different situations based on the information you know. That describes Guilliman in a nutshell and is a huge part of why he is such a great administrator. It is also how he was able to write the Codex Astartes. For Roboute Guilliman, wisdom is THE investment.
@@Runner-hd7ug yeah that’s fair, I just have guilliman as the most balanced, all of the primarchs would technically have 20+ everything if they’re compared to regular people. I associate his administration skills and multitasking ability more with intelligence than wisdom but I can understanding thinking the opposite
@@syraphian It’s a myth that Guilliman is just the balanced or medium primarch. He specifically specializes in organization beyond all other primarchs even Rogal Dorn. Intelligence is problem solving ability without using prior knowledge, while Guilliman is no doubt intelligent this is not as big of an investment as wsidom for him. Intelligence fits the most with Perturabo who can look at a machine and instantly know how to break it down and improve it. It is stated in the Corax book that while Corax may win a battle, Guilliman will always win the war because once Corax did an attack he would get away with doing it again. This is directly in line with wisdom, nearly all of what Guilliman does follows the same pattern of learning and never making the same mistakes twice.
Either him or Corvus. For Khan to come back, there needs to be an event where the Druhkari do something really fucked up to the imperium. Seeing as he left to go fight them (I believe). Corvus would be cool though since Vashtorr is scheming and Lorgar is on the move again... I'd love a whole book about Corvus just hunting Lorgar.
Despite being my favorite Primarch (shocker I know) the Khan is weirdly enough one I hope we don’t see in the Modern setting. I will never complain about having more Jaghatai but if he does return then what could they do with his character? I feel like after everything in the heresy I can’t imagine him actually growing any more as an individual.
I can see him returning if the Druhkari do something unspeakable to the imperium. He returns as a more hardened warrior who has spent years killing and hunting Druhkari in the warp.
Khan is probably the most liked Primarch on the grounds that there's really nothing to actually hate him about other than GW not giving much of anything for him. Khan is pretty chill and is the one Primarch with the most common sense. He's wise, smart, capable, and rational. He's simple yet so complex. And he's such a badass Primarch. Great video detailing who Jaghatai is and why he's such a great Primarch.
The way you described how Jaghatai would never fall to Chaos reminded me that each Primarch is a representation and specialization of 1 aspect of the emporer, and Jaghatai perfectly represents his nature as Anethema to Chaos just through different means. Just as the Emporer is Anethema to Chaos because he is ORDER, Jaghatai is anethema to Chsos because he is FREE
Scars is a great book I highly recommend to anyone interested in learning more about the White Scars and the Khan. Keep crushing it Bones, I really enjoy your videos.
I would have like to hear a little bit more about his relationships with other primarchs. There were some brief mentions of Sanguinius and Fulgrim in there, but did he have a relationship with Leman Russ? Horus? Good video!
Incorruptible. That's the Khan. Fastest? Yes. Dopest? Of course. But above all else, nothing will shake him. This does not diminish my admiration for Bobby Blue, because he's my boy. But Jagatai? When it looks like the end is near, that all has failed, and your doom has come...and then JAGATAI FREAKING KHAN speedforces into the room? Smiles all around.
Considering that Jhagetai Khan is based on, well, the man who built and empire and destroyed two nations in fits of pique...its fascinating how damn level headed he was, and how much everything he did was in the name of being a level headed, good person. Also, 103k dude!
As somebody who collect white scars im always happy seeing him people the credit he deserves. He's really underapriciated together with his legion. I like how he is just a logical guy who isn't afraid to have his own opinion. Jaghatai is my favorite primarc together with Angron.
After watching this video and hearing a few creators talk about how awesome the Khan is, I realized I'm in the second camp: I haven't read about him but there's nothing I ever felt was interesting enough about him to look into.
I'd say you should've got more sappy but mostly I just wish you would've brought up his interaction with Magnus when he just said "You can only give me one piece of knowledge that I truly desire." "What is that?" "How to restore you" To be fair I get maybe wanting to save that for the people who haven't read about him since its such a defining moment (to me at least) I just hate that no one EVER seems to talk about that when characterizing him. Like he doesn't care about the war he doesn't care about sides he doesn't care about what the Emperor might do to punish him for aiding a traitor; he JUST cares about his brother.
i like this episode about the khan and honestly find my only critique is that i wish it was a longer deeper dive into both the character and his lore as well as your own interpretations of said lore and feelings about his actions through the great crusade and the heresy. i'll be honest im more of a Vulkan and salamanders kinda guy but Chagatai has always facinated me and id like to know more.
Hi Arthur! Great vid, i love the Khan, level headed, rational and a great warrior. But you missed out on the fact that he had the coolest mentor figure of all the Primarchs! Please do a vid on Targutai Yesugei!!!
i think you raised a good point, and my question(s) is does the khan fit a character mold that is unfamiliar and different? or is he a reflection of a culture(s) that are unfamiliar? especially in contrast to more "tropey" primarchs how does he line up with say Guan YU vs caesar?
i dont cared much for khan until now, i`m just a few books into the heresy und he didn`t appear yet, but your video made want to know more about him. seems like a cool guy
Hello. Wow after watching this vieo, i find the ideas of Jaghatai so simmilar to the ideas of Cossacks from 16 century. The liberty and freedom of soul and mind. This is really cool i can find something from my culture here deep in Jaghatai Khan lore
Khan is a mysterious guy. I think he’s cool, independent, and interesting. He seems like a sage to me. I like him despite don’t understand him much and it didn’t bother me at all. Khan is a guy I want to simply like him and have him around, just to be observed. That’s already fine.
If the white scars ever get a big release I will be the first in line. They’re my favorite codex compliant chapter and will undoubtedly be my first space marine army. No doubt about it
Im new to warhammer lore and been using your videos as a guide or intro as to who is who and what is what but I gotta say, the Khan probably one of the more level headed mfs out there and if given the choice to join any legion as a human, Id definitely choose his over other loyalist legions
I agree that the White Scars are criminally underrated. My favorite Primach is Lion El'Jonson (Great video on him by the way) but Jaghatai is only a single hair's breadth behind him. It's SO close. In terms of just normal Astartes characters however? It's not close AT ALL. Shiban Khan is OVERWHELMINGLY my favorite.
Yeah if you read thru the entire horus heresy, jaghatai will easily become one of your favorite primarchs if not of all characters. He's absolutely among my favorite and I don't think gets nearly enough credit for how much more humanity he has than some of his brothers. He loves his people. Not to mention he is somewhat secretly a complete badass. Listening to him talk crap to fulgrim and mortarion in front of all of his brothers that were on ullanor when the big E named horus the war master. He literally called fulgrim a peacock and told both of them that they couldn't come close to winning a duel against him, cause they don't know a thing about him. While fulgrim can't stop talking about himself
Sounds like Jaghatai got what Angron could've had if The Emperor wasn't wrestling with brain damage at the time. The ability to fight and live together with the City Eaters and also teach the War Hounds how to be like them, instead of... y'know, what happened.
So I basically knew nothing of this Primarch before watching this video outside of the surface level...what a neat contrast to most of the other Primarchs. o:
In an odd way, I agree with the in universe sentiment that people overlook them as "yet another gang of savage warriors" is kinda the Space Wolves' fault.
I really wish GW would bring Jaghatai back as the next loyalist primarch. It would be a great twist and be totally in character for the Khan to just show up out of nowhere and wreck up the enemies of the Imperium in a seemingly lost battle before declaring ‘I’m back. Don’t tell me what to do. Hi Guilliman, bye Guilliman.’
In other vids he acts like Corvus is just Edgy... even though he likes Konrad. As a fellow Ravenguard fan, I want Corvus to return and give Guilliman or The Lion a sack with Lorgar's head in it.
@@andrewfornes5320 fuck the Lion, I would love to see Corvus and Guilliman having a talk with Lorgar's head in Corvus's hands. just holding him in a chill like moment.
My head cannon is that the Khan has become a champion of the laughing god, he was known for laughing during battle and I also think the laughing god and the khans agendas would line up. And tbf the other option is the dark eldar witch khan would not join with.
The Khan is like the better halfs of Russ (his lethality and brutality)and the Lion (his regal demeanor and his connection to his home) unfortunately most see his Russ half as instead savagery and barbarism. The lion's half as instead superstition and strange customs that for the outside look (from the viewer's perspective) beneath thier position
Who is the Warhawk of Chogoris? Only the greatest rider of the Urdu Jaghatai, Khaghan of the Talscar, a man who never suffered fools and chafed under the constraints of civilisation. An outsider and an outrider, a poet and a warrior. Above all, beyond anything else, he was perhaps the most logical of his brothers save for Gulliman - when he had no information on the outbreak of the Heresy, he waited until more information was given. He assessed his situation, and waited to decide. He was a man who valued truth and honesty above all. He wore the trappings of a barbarian because ot kept people away from him, as he withered around the easy fraternity of his brothers.
The Warhawk has the most powerful "Primarch Power" of them all... Common Sense.
@@Runner-hd7ugno, he likes taxes. thus he is an absoloute idiot
Weirdly, it seems to be the only primarch power that far surpasses the Emperor's.
It's sad how poorly written the primarchs were in HH novels. Khan shows what a well written primarch feels like and it's awesome. All the others...jesus christ they just sound like emotionally stunted morons
Is his Primarch power over 9000?
@@milominderbinder8655 To be fair I think the point is that they're emotionally stunted. That just the whole idea and implementation of superhuman eugenics mega babies was doomed to create weird emotionally fucky adults when their dad is so far beyond human he just can't even remember basic human decency or the emotional needs of his sons. That and I don't think he cared much either.
I do agree it could've been better written because sometimes they do shit that's fully stupid and it does come across more as rough writing than anything else
Horus to Khan: You hate the Emperor, why are you loyal?
Khan to Horus: Bro, you guys sold your souls to literal demons. The alternative is to serve a our father. Not a hard choice.
What is so stupid is absolutely no reason it has to be one of those 2 things. The setting is mature enough now and so long overdue with an anti-imperial faction that are not what a 13 year old would call cool. Not following the emperor guarantees a fall to a demonic extreme... somehow? Always? Why!? He is genuinely God then if disagreeing with him 100% is part and parcel to damnation.
Slaanesh: So we have two boys who like drinking tea and poetry. Let's see how they react my parties.
Fulgrim: I would sink into the decadance!
Jagathai: ...I bolted out of the room the instant I saw the crab claws. I'm greatful I'm fast.
'and so I turn my back on a brother who loved me, to serve a tyrant that does not'
There's a longer quote there somewhere, but I forget it sadly
Yeah he didn't like what the Emperor stood for in most ways but he did like the idea of going to war forever and that humanity had a right to the universe (points against him there lol) but he also knew it would be stupid to throw his lot in with traitors and not expect them to backstab each other or him eventually. That's BEFORE the chaos corruption that made him just go hard pass absolutely not.
@@Pragabond his conversation with Mortarion on the dust and ash of Prospero is fantastic in light of your comment, his distain and mild goading of Mortarion for falling to chaos with all the rejects
*Witnesses call out*
….Acceptable. (Disarms IED)
Everybody stand down. It's cool
The white scars are not as popular as they could be because PAINTING WHITE IS A FUCKING NIGHTMARE
I'm convinced that if they had an easier paint scheme they'd be one of the most popular factions. They're fun to play, they have very interesting lore, but painting white sucks ass...
I don’t think it’s that hard. Just prime your models in gray instead of black, and you can just use washes to go back and darken all the recesses
yeah painting white schemes is hell.
He killed the orks so fast that the orks didn't want to fight him and retreated. DA ORKS DIDN'T WANT THE KRUMPIN' DAT HE WUZ BRINGIN'
Morty: you would’ve given into chaos if you were in my spot
THE Khan: nah I’d win
Corvus needs to come back next, appearing in Guilliman's Study fron the shadows and drop a sack on his desk. He then walks away as Guilliman opens it up, just to see Lorgar's head looking back at him.
unfortunately Lorgar will have grown a new head by that point...
@@6dragondaddy913 would the head also grow a new body? is lorgar budding?
@@EvelynNdenialProbably both...
Jaghatai's clarity of thought is incredible. My favorite quote rarely gets referenced and puts him in stark contrast to Horus. It shows why Chaos has no purchase on him:
"I do not doubt your visions. But what do they change? Shall we stare up at the shadows and let our blades fall from our hands? Know this, son of Magnus. There is more under the arch of heaven than victory or defeat. We may fall back but not forever. We may feint and we may weave, but not forever. We may yet be doomed to lose all that we cherish, but we shall do so in the knowledge that we could have turned away, and did not. We remained true. They can never have this, not if they burn all we built and scorn us through the dancing flames. You hear me? We remained true."
I think the level-headed demeanor of him makes it even more unlikely that he'll be returning any time soon, since unlike his brothers of more popular legions, he also does not seem in need of some wild character progression.
Some people believe when the Khan returns he will be a champion for Cegorach.
Nah, I do think he'll be the next Loyalist to return. Sandman of Terra convinced me of that. Thematically, it makes too much sense with Fulgrim coming back. The Lion and Guilliman would have serious trouble fighting Snakeboy at the moment, but the Khan can enter into Alakh Geh and handle six arms or whatever it is. I bet Lorgar shows up at the beginning of 11th or end of 10th edition too. Leman will be the big 11th edition return I think.
@@thisistherevolt To be fair just because it would be thematically good and a smart pick from a writing perspective doesn't mean that GW will make that good writing choice. Especially since the Khan isn't super popular and ultimately a Primarch coming back IS still first about selling models. Why not bring back the most popular and get bigger number? I saw the video too and I think he made great points but writers are individuals so no guarantee the people overseeing the lore in general will have the same perspective.
It would be insanely dope to have him come back next he's my favorite and him being among the first three to return would give him a chance to finally be seen by the fandom and given all the more time to flesh him out and show why he's the best. If he's like the 5th or 6th to come back things will be so crowded they might just not even do more than a book on him. I would kill to see the Khan come back and just straight up start doing his own thing in the Dark Imperium or something because man fuck the Imperium and my dad's dusty brittle ass. Extra dope if he's learned the webway well enough to be able to travel easily within the Dark Imperium without the light of the Emperor.
@@Pragabond a fellow person of culture? For the Emperor and the Khan brother. In Sandman's member only streams he's mentioned a couple details not in the video, like how Dan Abnett likely has the easiest path to revealing the Khan with the conclusion of the King in Yellow and Eisenhorn stuff. The Webway, Raskin, the Custodes and the Dark Aeldari Golden Throne mess needs to get explained away too, which can be tied up nicely with the Pariah Nexus stuff. There's a path that can easily bring the Khan back here, while advancing the storyline.
he's too busy caught up trying to escape Commoragh with his family.
His character is helped a great bit by being written from only one author's ( a very competent one at that) viewpoint. That allows him so much more consistency as opposed to Horus for example. Also as far as 10 foot tall demigods of war go....he is very relatable, rational, down to earth and good to his sons.
One of the things I appreciate is that instead of going for the hot headed barbarian speed demon trope, they actually made him a level headed and complex individual.
The quiet, hyper gifted kid in the room who is actually the most dangerous but also the most reliable when the chips are down.
Nice and precise definition about him.
I find it hilarious that the Khan's place amongst the fandom and the way he is treated by the lore when he doesn't have the spotlight just lines up perfectly with his character.
He's the unknown and unremarkable, until you actually pay attention to him and he turns out to be the most fascinating person amongst a dysfunctional family of absolute drama queens, just by how _normal_ he is.
He doesn't have bombastic petty drama to him, and that's an anomaly amongst the sons of the Emperor who seem to live and breathe petty drama.
He has no secrets, everything is laid bare, but nobody knows a damn thing about him because they don't see him to be as important as his brothers, and that's exactly how he likes it.
Russ and the Khan are super similar. Both have legions who have large importance on their culture, both are seen as savages and superstitious, ect. Love them both.
The key difference is that Russ deliberately puts up a facade of being a savage.
The Khan is just content with letting people be wrong so his opponents underestimate him and make mistakes.
jaghatai is objectively the coolest, and weirdly most well-adjusted primarch. their HH storyline is short, and mostly self-contained: Scars -> Path of Heaven -> Primarch novel in that order.
I hadn't read anything specifically featuring the khan, but in the siege of terra he's honestly great
@@Sharksvsnids the White Scars centric novels are great. Khan sticking his foot up Morty's ass on the ruins of Redboy's world is a particular standout.
I have to disagree slightly with well-adjusted. That has to go to Guilliman. The Khan isn’t maladjusted, but he has his moments. When conquering Chigoris he annihilated entire tribes that refused to join him, including the women and children. He also killed his own legion, though in his defense, they were traitors, so we can hardly hold it against him. Lastly, he is a bit more idealistic than the norm, waffling between supporting his father and not. He was inexplicably part of the group that confronted Malcador (along with Alpharius and Horus) over the issue of the statues of the lost Primarchs, whom he had never met.
I think his culture had the most honest and level-headed view of the warp.
I wish there was more written about his relationship with Magnus.
They relied on the warp but knew where to set their boundaries, knowing that sometimes it’s better not to know.
Jaghatai Khan is gaining a lot of love in the community, as of late. I think that’s due to people finally recognizing how well characterized and relatable he really is. Plus being the Burn-Khan of the Imperium helps quite a bit. I think your video was a good gateway for people to look into him, I know that Majorkill and Wolf Lord Rho highly respect the Khan but I don’t know the opinions of other creators on him.
Pre-book: Who?
Post-book: HE'S AWESOME! Followed by a dissertation on why he is awesome.
Jaghatai is a pretty chill dude just never get on his bad side.🐱
There's actually a lot of Zaporozhian/Ukrainian Cossacks aesthetics in white scars too, especially in those mustashes and hairstyles
There isn't, you're looking at steppe ponytails versus the Cossack front strands. You'd get a democracy award for calling them Ukrainian Cossacks though :D
I just started the siege of terra series and one of the things I love is the dynamic between the Khan, Sanguinius, and Dorn, those three work really well together for the story.
Challenging someone to a death match, leads to the death of one or the other? Well I never
"I heard from a contact on Mars, Jaghatai, that you do strange things to your ships.'
The Khan shot him a heavy-lidded stare. 'I heard you do strange things to your warriors."
A burn so epic even Vulkan felt it.
wasn't expecting the Omori music at the end lmao. Loved the video, it's making me appreciate him more since my only exposure to White Scars lore so far was from a couple short stories involving Kor'sarro
Also, my dude yesugei was one of the coolest characters in the heresy. Super strong psyker but also just incredibly insightful and almost an emotional and spiritual guide and friend for jaghatai. He was the most important white scar at that point other than jaghatai of course. A true philosopher.
Most under rated legion of them all. If you read the heresy, they will become one of your fav legions
I feel like Khan is one of the only primarchs that didn’t dump his wisdom stat and the only primarch that actually invested in it
Roboute Guilliman
@@Runner-hd7ug Gman is the only reason I said one of the only, but I’d put his wisdom around 12 so I don’t count it as an investment. The khan has at least 16
@@syraphian Wisdom is the decision making for a proper reaction to different situations based on the information you know. That describes Guilliman in a nutshell and is a huge part of why he is such a great administrator. It is also how he was able to write the Codex Astartes. For Roboute Guilliman, wisdom is THE investment.
@@Runner-hd7ug yeah that’s fair, I just have guilliman as the most balanced, all of the primarchs would technically have 20+ everything if they’re compared to regular people. I associate his administration skills and multitasking ability more with intelligence than wisdom but I can understanding thinking the opposite
@@syraphian It’s a myth that Guilliman is just the balanced or medium primarch. He specifically specializes in organization beyond all other primarchs even Rogal Dorn. Intelligence is problem solving ability without using prior knowledge, while Guilliman is no doubt intelligent this is not as big of an investment as wsidom for him. Intelligence fits the most with Perturabo who can look at a machine and instantly know how to break it down and improve it. It is stated in the Corax book that while Corax may win a battle, Guilliman will always win the war because once Corax did an attack he would get away with doing it again. This is directly in line with wisdom, nearly all of what Guilliman does follows the same pattern of learning and never making the same mistakes twice.
234 views in 33 seconds, Arthur hasn’t fallen off!!
I'm honestly hoping the warhawk, becomes the 3rd loyalist Primarch to return, but what do you guys think?
Either him or Corvus. For Khan to come back, there needs to be an event where the Druhkari do something really fucked up to the imperium. Seeing as he left to go fight them (I believe).
Corvus would be cool though since Vashtorr is scheming and Lorgar is on the move again... I'd love a whole book about Corvus just hunting Lorgar.
It'll be Russ because the Space Wolves have their own Codex.
It's Dorn, for sure. Though knowing GW they're gonna make him "The Primarch of the Black Templars" and spit in all our faces.
Corvis
Though I don't see him coming back in a fully human form. Something akein to how imperial saints are
The Khan of Chogoris.
Thanks for the video Arthur, good luck with stuff!
Despite being my favorite Primarch (shocker I know) the Khan is weirdly enough one I hope we don’t see in the Modern setting.
I will never complain about having more Jaghatai but if he does return then what could they do with his character? I feel like after everything in the heresy I can’t imagine him actually growing any more as an individual.
I'm just saying, he disappeared into the webway and arks of omen ended with tunneling into the webway. Harlequin Khan?
I can see him returning if the Druhkari do something unspeakable to the imperium. He returns as a more hardened warrior who has spent years killing and hunting Druhkari in the warp.
He is so cool. And he is just so normal! I love him and the White Scars so much after reading their stories.
Khan is probably the most liked Primarch on the grounds that there's really nothing to actually hate him about other than GW not giving much of anything for him.
Khan is pretty chill and is the one Primarch with the most common sense. He's wise, smart, capable, and rational. He's simple yet so complex. And he's such a badass Primarch.
Great video detailing who Jaghatai is and why he's such a great Primarch.
"he holds it with pride in his hearts"
Such a good touch
THE ONLY REASON THE WHITE SCARS ARE UNDERREPRESENTED IS BECAUSE THEY’RE SO GOD DAMN HARD TO PAINT
My admiration of them override my common sense when I painted White Scars first, holy hell is white annoying.
The way you described how Jaghatai would never fall to Chaos reminded me that each Primarch is a representation and specialization of 1 aspect of the emporer, and Jaghatai perfectly represents his nature as Anethema to Chaos just through different means.
Just as the Emporer is Anethema to Chaos because he is ORDER, Jaghatai is anethema to Chsos because he is FREE
Scars is a great book I highly recommend to anyone interested in learning more about the White Scars and the Khan. Keep crushing it Bones, I really enjoy your videos.
It’s funny he just went up on the Horus Heresy and just went to kill Drukhari in the webway because he is just so free
I can’t wait to see the rest of your Primarch videos - particularly Vulkan & Corvus Corax.
I would have like to hear a little bit more about his relationships with other primarchs. There were some brief mentions of Sanguinius and Fulgrim in there, but did he have a relationship with Leman Russ? Horus? Good video!
Incorruptible. That's the Khan. Fastest? Yes. Dopest? Of course. But above all else, nothing will shake him. This does not diminish my admiration for Bobby Blue, because he's my boy. But Jagatai? When it looks like the end is near, that all has failed, and your doom has come...and then JAGATAI FREAKING KHAN speedforces into the room? Smiles all around.
"I will ride out."
Considering that Jhagetai Khan is based on, well, the man who built and empire and destroyed two nations in fits of pique...its fascinating how damn level headed he was, and how much everything he did was in the name of being a level headed, good person.
Also, 103k dude!
As someone who likes the White Scars enough to paint them (badly) This is a great video to cover our Khagan
His duel with Mortarion in Warhawk was amazing. I did not expect that.
As somebody who collect white scars im always happy seeing him people the credit he deserves. He's really underapriciated together with his legion. I like how he is just a logical guy who isn't afraid to have his own opinion. Jaghatai is my favorite primarc together with Angron.
The "middle child" primarch gets his 15 minutes in the sun...
What i like is he understands entropy, that all that is built will 1 day crumble to dust.
After watching this video and hearing a few creators talk about how awesome the Khan is, I realized I'm in the second camp: I haven't read about him but there's nothing I ever felt was interesting enough about him to look into.
Probably the most rational primmarch ever ever ever
My first army I painted, to my annoyance, and man do I take pride in how they look no matter how jank they are.
The Khan didn’t just cut through the Orks, he was so ferocious that he actually caused the Orks to break and run. That’s quite an accomplishment.
I'd say you should've got more sappy but mostly I just wish you would've brought up his interaction with Magnus when he just said
"You can only give me one piece of knowledge that I truly desire."
"What is that?"
"How to restore you"
To be fair I get maybe wanting to save that for the people who haven't read about him since its such a defining moment (to me at least) I just hate that no one EVER seems to talk about that when characterizing him. Like he doesn't care about the war he doesn't care about sides he doesn't care about what the Emperor might do to punish him for aiding a traitor; he JUST cares about his brother.
i like this episode about the khan and honestly find my only critique is that i wish it was a longer deeper dive into both the character and his lore as well as your own interpretations of said lore and feelings about his actions through the great crusade and the heresy. i'll be honest im more of a Vulkan and salamanders kinda guy but Chagatai has always facinated me and id like to know more.
Hi Arthur! Great vid, i love the Khan, level headed, rational and a great warrior. But you missed out on the fact that he had the coolest mentor figure of all the Primarchs! Please do a vid on Targutai Yesugei!!!
Can’t wait to celebrate 100k subs with you brother
i think you raised a good point, and my question(s) is does the khan fit a character mold that is unfamiliar and different? or is he a reflection of a culture(s) that are unfamiliar? especially in contrast to more "tropey" primarchs
how does he line up with say Guan YU vs caesar?
Funniest man in the setting
i dont cared much for khan until now, i`m just a few books into the heresy und he didn`t appear yet, but your video made want to know more about him. seems like a cool guy
Hello. Wow after watching this vieo, i find the ideas of Jaghatai so simmilar to the ideas of Cossacks from 16 century. The liberty and freedom of soul and mind. This is really cool i can find something from my culture here deep in Jaghatai Khan lore
Quite possibly one of my favorite primarchs.
"I am Jaghatai Khan and I have ridden well"
Khan is a mysterious guy. I think he’s cool, independent, and interesting. He seems like a sage to me. I like him despite don’t understand him much and it didn’t bother me at all. Khan is a guy I want to simply like him and have him around, just to be observed. That’s already fine.
With the next video I am gonna start a little drinking game: take a sip every time Bones says the word "interesting".
Finally also I think it’s funny this is the quickest I’ve seen his views fly up 256 views in a minute
If the white scars ever get a big release I will be the first in line. They’re my favorite codex compliant chapter and will undoubtedly be my first space marine army. No doubt about it
Im new to warhammer lore and been using your videos as a guide or intro as to who is who and what is what but I gotta say, the Khan probably one of the more level headed mfs out there and if given the choice to join any legion as a human, Id definitely choose his over other loyalist legions
Loved the video, but I am unable to join your membership. Can’t seem to find the option for that on your channel page
He is first place in the optimal blunt rotation
More coverage of the khan
I agree that the White Scars are criminally underrated. My favorite Primach is Lion El'Jonson (Great video on him by the way) but Jaghatai is only a single hair's breadth behind him. It's SO close.
In terms of just normal Astartes characters however? It's not close AT ALL. Shiban Khan is OVERWHELMINGLY my favorite.
The khan, being a Chad at speeds never seen before
Yeah if you read thru the entire horus heresy, jaghatai will easily become one of your favorite primarchs if not of all characters. He's absolutely among my favorite and I don't think gets nearly enough credit for how much more humanity he has than some of his brothers. He loves his people.
Not to mention he is somewhat secretly a complete badass. Listening to him talk crap to fulgrim and mortarion in front of all of his brothers that were on ullanor when the big E named horus the war master. He literally called fulgrim a peacock and told both of them that they couldn't come close to winning a duel against him, cause they don't know a thing about him. While fulgrim can't stop talking about himself
4 seconds in........It is the absolute best..."uhh hi" yet.
Thank you Sir
Sounds like Jaghatai got what Angron could've had if The Emperor wasn't wrestling with brain damage at the time.
The ability to fight and live together with the City Eaters and also teach the War Hounds how to be like them, instead of... y'know, what happened.
Arthur LORD 4life
Probably should have listed the best books to read about him...
Fun fact Jaghatai Khan is named after a civilization named the chagatai Khanate
I am once again (for the fourth iteration) requesting a Red Scorpions video.
Peace and Love,
cool dude
2:58 JENGISSS KAHN HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHASAHAHAHA
The best primarch. Wish me luck brothers after I finish painting my votann I’m going in on white scars I welcome the pain of white paint
Khan is only normal one primarch.
Jaghatai is my fav primarch, he is a pretty good person and a free soul
So I basically knew nothing of this Primarch before watching this video outside of the surface level...what a neat contrast to most of the other Primarchs. o:
I think his appeal is that he's both an insider as a Primarch and an outsider via his Chogorian upbringing.
There’s a reason he’s number 1 in my book.
Quick question, do you happen to know which book it was where the Khan went apeshit on the orks when his friend died? I would like to read it
In an odd way, I agree with the in universe sentiment that people overlook them as "yet another gang of savage warriors" is kinda the Space Wolves' fault.
I love your videos but I like that you don’t go too deep bc I’m trying to read the Horus heresy right now. So it’s nice to not have too much spoiled.
I really wish GW would bring Jaghatai back as the next loyalist primarch. It would be a great twist and be totally in character for the Khan to just show up out of nowhere and wreck up the enemies of the Imperium in a seemingly lost battle before declaring ‘I’m back. Don’t tell me what to do. Hi Guilliman, bye Guilliman.’
I would love to hear your view on The Raven Lord The Lord Of The Nineteen Corvus Corax.
In other vids he acts like Corvus is just Edgy... even though he likes Konrad.
As a fellow Ravenguard fan, I want Corvus to return and give Guilliman or The Lion a sack with Lorgar's head in it.
@@andrewfornes5320 fuck the Lion, I would love to see Corvus and Guilliman having a talk with Lorgar's head in Corvus's hands. just holding him in a chill like moment.
STOP GIVING ME REASONS TO LIKE MORE CHAPTERS (proceeds to watch another video)
I love the white scars and the khan but i just forget them for some reason
As much as I love the Khan, when shall we see a house hawkshroud video
My head cannon is that the Khan has become a champion of the laughing god, he was known for laughing during battle and I also think the laughing god and the khans agendas would line up. And tbf the other option is the dark eldar witch khan would not join with.
The Khan is like the better halfs of Russ (his lethality and brutality)and the Lion (his regal demeanor and his connection to his home) unfortunately most see his Russ half as instead savagery and barbarism. The lion's half as instead superstition and strange customs that for the outside look (from the viewer's perspective) beneath thier position
Who is the Warhawk of Chogoris? Only the greatest rider of the Urdu Jaghatai, Khaghan of the Talscar, a man who never suffered fools and chafed under the constraints of civilisation. An outsider and an outrider, a poet and a warrior. Above all, beyond anything else, he was perhaps the most logical of his brothers save for Gulliman - when he had no information on the outbreak of the Heresy, he waited until more information was given. He assessed his situation, and waited to decide.
He was a man who valued truth and honesty above all. He wore the trappings of a barbarian because ot kept people away from him, as he withered around the easy fraternity of his brothers.
Mr bones what tattoo did you get!?
Woooooo Whitescars!
Now let’s keep them under appreciated so GW doesn’t fuck up their lore!
Keep making longform content.
Mantis warriors are my favorite successor chapter
Khan is my second favorite, Corax being my First, Ferrus being my third and Gulliman my 4th.