What would you like to see me make a video/remix on next? Let me know down below! Also some quick things to note: -HIVEMINE PLUSHIES ARE OUT NOW! Grab one before it's too late!: www.makeship.com/products/hivemine-plush -Those are not my hands/arms in the Hivemine plushie video, that's Kamex/Ace -Sorry if my Vtuber looks like drunk in this video. I recorded with the lights off like a dummy.
I honestly saw Sakuroma as a woman who was confident in herself and helps people know their self worth. And considering her to be lust I can see her not only helping couples but people who lust for dreams. Lust can mean different things too. I think that would make her cool tbh.
After watching Saku's evolution over the last year or two, I've grown to love the direction her character and writing has been taken. It still embodies her symbolism, however she's shown to be more caring and respectful of others, especially those in relationships, along with having a high-end and fancy aura mixed in with the allure of her sin without it being the driving force behind every single one of her actions. Can't wait to see how her character continues to grow and flourish alongside the other sins in the cast.
The main problem I have with Sakuroma's new direction is that it's kinda like straying away from Lust. I still believe that if Retrospecter KNOWS that Sakuroma is based off of the Deadly Sin of Lust, it's safe to imagine that he'd still throw a wrench in the feeling of comfort by just adding that "oh sh-" moment that would change the way you view Sakuroma.
As someone who wrote fanfic for two plus years, yeah, writing is not easy. It wasn't like I hadn't made stories before, only short ones, but when you write character that are a part of a bigger story, yeah, I've made a couple of stupid mistakes, but I can't imagine how rough it was with you, since I wasn't making something that could get out of hand like this. But we all grow, and I too want to right some wrongs I did with my characters. The best part about making mistakes is that you now know not to do them and can better yourself easier. I wish you the best writing your story.
It's rare that I make fanfiction, but I know that it's not easy to write or even describe the personality of a character, the real downside is who should say that when you put one of you are personally in a universe, you have to be careful about what you say, or what your character says, you have to correct yourself, review and find the right sentences, and especially with Lust ^^'
The concept of the sins sort of rubbing off on one another is actually really cool, makes me wonder what would happen when different sins interact, like Greed + Envy or something.
I don’t care about any negative connotations, saku is one of my favorites of your characters. I think she’s funny, I know I said this in one of the last videos but I like it when she’s forced to play the straight-man… woman… moth (I don’t care I made this joke before I like it) Plus, moth, I like moths so more characters based on them is appreciated. Plus I like the new direction of her character. Look forward to seeing more
Agreed! I especially thought some of the expressions and dialogue they gave her in vs. Retro were pretty hilarious. Especially that almost Jojo-esc devious face, or her more stoic "not amused" face.
@@komodo7772 The expressions she has are friendly, I don't see how we can not appreciate her, she has personality, and she emanates a sincere and attractive aura, but hey, Sakuroma is not a simp, but an excellent one. Someone you could really get along with ^^ Well, it hurt me to see that she gets rejected so much, and that everyone wants to make her x.x, like when a character appears on the internet, you don't know how it's going to happen next .
@@judinatheargonianthief1385 Indeed, such is the unpredictable horror of the internet, I suppose. That apparently not even moth/woman/demon hybrids can escape lol. I'll also be working on art for my design of Fractureverse, or mirror universe Sakuroma, or Admiramor as I've named her, once I've finished working on the drawing for Fractureverse Ace, aka Spade (and maybe Fractureverse Zerktro, named Contemptro). And I have at least a basic concept of what I'm going for with her design and personality, so I'm looking forward to it! In any case, it ought to be interesting to see more of Saku, in her second form, along with the other sins at that, once Vs. Retro part 2 is out.
@@komodo7772 Yes, after Insatian and Hivemine have to suffer it too x.x lol, poor Saku, she deserves a big hug, even if you have to take a stepladder X) Also, I would be interested to see what you are going to do, doing a fracture universe version is interesting ^^ Yes, I can't wait, when it comes out, I'll make a video on it, and for phase 2 of Saku, I'll play it last, just to keep the "dessert" ;)
@@judinatheargonianthief1385 I see, lol! In which case, I'll be looking out for the reveal of vs Retro Part 2 when it's out, and your playthrough of it. I'll also post another video on my channel once more art of my Fractureverse versions of Retro and Kamex's characters are ready. Hopefully in the meantime, things go well for you!
Honestly I can definitely see a lot of the damage this character caused I for one didn’t think much of her in the first version of the mod, I thought her song was cute and probably the one I listened to the most and didn’t start paying more attention to her until the art started to roll in, eventually getting me intrigued in the fact that I hadn’t seen a sin of lust be portrayed in such a refined way overtime, Sakuroma is my favorite vs Retro character, but doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the rest of them Keep up the great work on this content Retro, really great to hear a refined version of your experiences :)
sorry you have to read and witness the madness of a fandom ._. good to hear you still attach to her and re-writing her, i love what i hear and read of the new sakuroma!! also HIVEMINE is ADORABLE! i will try to get her!
Honestly, I'm kinda proud to see how retro realised that he had caused situations he wasnt find of, and now wanting to turn things around to what they should be like. Godspeed to him, his friends and career!
I completely understand the struggles of writing a character and having to re-write them after the flack they get. I started following your content past the Saku rewrite and really enjoy the direction you're taking her. Hopefully the people thirsting for Saku understand that she's just a fictional character and that you have an actual relationship with Kamex. Also, airplane.
I never realized saku was such a deep character, nor the sheer amount of damage her image had caused. I’m so sorry you had to go through something like that. I’m still a saku simp and I’m proud to be one, and I’ll always be one. So no matter what becomes of her character we’ll all welcome it with open arms and love her all the same just as we show our support and love for you and your content
I agree, I'm also a "Sakuroma simp" but not one of the weird ones from the weird questions that Retrospecter mentioned, and although it said that Saku wouldn't have a partner that she's madly in love with, I made an AU of her with my OC (not judge me)
I’m so sorry how bad the Saku situation got but I am glad you are finding ways to fix and heal from it all. I cannot wait to see what you have in store with your ocs.
17:35 I know this is sort of besides the point (but the point was definitely received), but that Frospect design is really sick. Could be cool if he were to be included in the mod, possibly as a secret character, though it's completely understandable if you don't do so.
I’m glad I took the time to watch this. I mean, I knew the bits and pieces but to know fully how much happened to your character and what she became gave me a new view. I still enjoy her because of the whole moth concept. But I’m glad to hear everything and just how bad it got.
Well, the damage has already been done, but it does not mean that it cannot be remedied, Sakuroma is a complex character, but at the same time pleasant, and I like the direction you are giving him, from a lascivious character to a more understanding one, and Leaving this aside, you also brought memorable soundtracks, like Fuzzy Feeling and Moompoms, which are the ones I like the most, and of course Ectoplasm, if you brought gems like these, I can't imagine what's coming. Lucky you have our support
Probably most fitting? I mean the other ones that made some sense were Pride and sloth wich neither match the look with retro really exept mayby Pride but our pleaque doctor pal doesent really fit wrath
Damn, I had no idea of the scale of the history of her, I've heard a little about it but non as clear as this. So hopefully these issues can be solved soon. Retro, your mod really stood out for how much emotion and love into it, and to keep on trying to get it finished dispite how downhill the FnF community went, I can't help but admire that determination. I truly hope to see you be your best, as well as your relationship with Kam to flourish. Thank you @RetroSpecter, for the great mod, the great story and development, and most of all your amazing talent to make such wonderful and inspiring content -NicktheDrago
i think that keeping characters people only have beef with due to personal taste is the most satisfying way of dealing with them. its giving them the finger and continuing your life, showing them that even though they WANT your attention you wont give it to them (except maybe to occasionally make fun of them if they keep being whiney)
I'm still trying to be a writer, I can say that it is pretty hard writing a character, but we learn as we go, I have played the mod songs of Retro, Ace and Saku, I adore the characters a lot, Ace is very interesting, Retro is pretty badass, Saku is very charming to say the least It does hurt to see that Saku was mistreated, I haven't really looked into it back then, but this video helped me realize that I'll continue supporting you and everyone on the team~!
I'm glad you're ding her justice, I always found comfort in Sukuroma's design but people would always make it weird. To be fair, at the time her entire character fed into it. And her being the sin of lust I figured I should just be expecting this. But at some point it just got uncomfortable and annoying. This change is what everyone needs!
I've always seen Saku as an equal to the other sins, as opposed to some greater character. I see all 7 of the sins as 7 pieces of one whole bigger picture. Your characters are awesome, Retro. I also am wishing you and Kamex well, as you both are great TH-camrs. Stay awesome, Retro. I'll be patiently awaiting whatever cool content you're cooking up, whether it be gaming related or related to your characters or whatever else you want to make.
One of my favorite dialog combinations was when choosing Zerktro on the stereo. That one had VERY minimal sexual references and it was just Saku trying to barter with Zerktro and it was funny seeing her kinda fed up lmao
As crazy as the reaction to Sakuroma was ya have to admit people payed out on twitch to see the 3d model of her in your streams. Its sad that people reacted to your 2nd character in the way they did and even worse how it effected your real relationship.
I still find it disturbing that people hated saku so much they were sending you art of her being stabbed, sliced open and beheaded like TF how old are you people?!
Too young to be on the internet, probably. The FNF fanbase has a weird mix of some people who are horrendously down bad and others who are utterly puritanical. The first group barks like dogs and makes all sorts of weird comments when shown anything even mildly suggestive and the others are *enraged* at that same content, and I've found that the second group are usually (but not always) kids and younger teens. That second group is much more likely to react violently to anything like Saku, because in their heads it's bad, dirty and wrong.
I have a twin brother who's into the same gender as him. That's him, people sand say the exact same words about him. I am protective of my brother no matter if he's into the same gender or not But I won't say that to his face at all. You reminded me of my brother hey ba bit
One thing I'm glad is that this situation didn't completely break your ability to do anything NSFW period. I wouldn't fault you if it did, this sort of obsessive response is... well. I wouldn't say it's common. Most people are still people and know how to read the room, whether they're doing SFW or NSFW, and listen when told otherwise. But when it does happen, it is INTENSE. So the fact that you got through it and came out the other way without gaining a complete aversion to lewds is honestly inspiring.
Well here is the video about Sakuroma. Damn Retro literally has same age as me and he has made so many crazy achievements and musics in his life already.
I often lurk around and occasionally interact with your community but at least for me. Saku's always been a fantasy interaction and personification of the aspects of lust (drive, horniness, flirtatious nature, ambition) lust can mean many things. Power Hungry? That can be Lust just as much as Wrath. I am saddened to hear that the flanderization (which I watched too) hurt Kamex as much as it did. I loved the Heartbass remix and his other content throughout this whole thing. For what this is worth. I'm writing this comment just as another voice that supports you. I've enjoyed seeing you grow since I first stumbled upon your content when you were doing sonic-remixes primarily like ... 2013-2015 era I think? I finally Subscribed and haven't regretted that choice. -Cheers
Damn i had no idea just how bad sakus situation was i hope you can get everything straightened out so sue can properly flourish as a character for you wish u best of luck retro! And cant wait for vs retro pt 2!^w^
Hey Retro hope your doing well and glad to see your feeling better too, and listening to your video I honestly enjoyed it and got more of an understanding of what's happen, tho my apologizes if I go dumb at times, still when seeing your characters for the first time I honestly was amazed at both Retro and Sakuroma's style, tho after hearing the kind of hate towards her kinda surprised and abit sad but we won't go there, also hope your doing well and your lover is doing well too. Hope to see your next update tho don't rush and take time to relax and enjoy yourself and those around you too.
Ive grown to love Saku as a character now. and sure i simp for her but i dont go that far. Shes a great character so far. hopefully the changes you to her will have a big impact. Hope mod making is going well Retro!
people keep forgeting between oc and realityi was kinda thze same when i was teenage, life could be better that way but they dont think about the creators personal's feeling behind it. I cant belive it turn so hard for you and your boyfriend and im glad it get better now! keep it up strong !
Ive seen and made some characters, that have a race/species of a thing that would normally be questionable, and turn it into something more controlled. And some of my friends don’t like my more controlled OCs, for bad reason. So I understand where your coming from.
For some odd reason i completly understand that cause even today some people sometimes don´t understand me and my boyfriends relation, I truly am sorry you went through all that and hope for it to go better in the future for both you and Kamex. And a very good video pointing out how communities go Haywire with anything they can. People ought to watch this video to learn a bit more then just charge in and yoink everything for granted. Stay safe
im not gonna lie. i only came to your channel for the remixes. i didnt start payin attention to the oc stuff until around the time where you seemed to resent sakuroma. the more i looked into things, the more i kept sayin to myself "why is he mad? he did this to himself." and i started dislikin her too. or rather... i liked her design and what not, but couldnt stand how people acted around her. one...that was cold of me. and i apologize. two, im actually glad you spoke up about this. it honestly seems like its doin both you and your community a lot of good for you to air out your thoughts like this. i wish you and kamex the best. ....you two should play board game online with each other. should be fun. even if its not for a video
I am sadly going to say I have been absent from your channel for a good time. I had no idea what was going on to hear about this video. What was the previous one about? I have to honestly say you really handled this maturely and man respects for handling all of this. I am happy to hear that you are doing well and so are those you hold dear to your heart doing the some. Just as I also want to mention how I am super excited to hear what you have planned for the future for your characters also with the more refined characterization of her with the next project I wish you luck and hope that everything turns out well for you.😁😌
First off, I love the name "Retro-spective" for this series. Second, I would love to see more of this for the other sins as I am interested in the development behind them. I doubt they would be as long, but still.
I honestly enjoy sakuroma’s design in both a.. certain weeb point of view. As well as a personality view since her design could also represent how pride should be allowing for her to love anyone and anything even in a sexual way
1:25 "I don't need it," I say to myself, blatantly lying. "I already have plushies." I say, trying to convince myself that you CAN have enough plushies.
understandably, writing is hard as someone who does own 2 fursonas, both brothers to eachother its hard to work in a dynamic that isint a direct corolation to how my life is irl, as i have a habbit of doing so. for now i think its doing well but i have a plan on making more seperate yet fun together, type of thing
Damn, I didnt know any of these bad things happening. Sure Sakuroma and Retrospecter are one of my two favorite characters but I dont ship them, personally I see them more of a best friend relationship after seeing Sakuroma for the first time. Im glad things are getting a change and cant wait to your FNF part 2 mod! Keep up the good work and sorry if I didnt know any of these are happening. Still though keep it up! :3
I got to say, I really like her as a person, not a sex object or something, my ex was using her as a person, so yeah, she was a kind of friend with my ex's oc, so well, yeah
Ok this one I expected, I agree that you wrote her TERRIBLY at first, but you've clearly improved overtime. And the fact that she's a female (and literally lust personified) she was bound to get some creeps looking at a png of her and spilling… whipped cream on it. Yeah lets go with that. With that out Ogg the way though, on an unrelated subject, I think you should make frospect into a fully fledged character, maybe retro or aces cousin that hangs out with the two from time to time, or even a sort of bad guy character that either hates that they're in a relationship, or hates that neither are in a relationship with him. You have a lot of artistic talent and that alone gives this character infinite possibilities, so I hope to see what you do with him in the future.
I'm glad to have finally seen this video come to fruition! And it's great to finally have a relatively in-depth retrospective regarding one of your characters, Retro. Omce more, as someone who's only recently found your channel, I'm quite sorry to hear that you had to go through the drama and struggles you did as an artist. So once more, I'm glad to know that despite this, you're willing to admit and reflect on the mistakes you'd prior made. As someone who greatly enjoys the the concepts and lore regarding your characters as well, I also greatly appreciate you effort to stregnthen Sakuroma's character, and expand on her role in your verse! Hearing that Sakuroma's design has inspiration taken from the Metroid series was an interesting surprise to me. Though knowing that you seem pretty fond of that series, I probably shouldn't have been surprised to begin with. As for potential suggestions I might have for content, maybe you could make a video going into your experience with making music, or maybe breifly describe how you first became interested in music at all, for that matter. On this note, as always, whatever you do come up with for future content on your channel, I'll be looking forward to seeing and/or hearing it! Until then, best of luck as always, Retro!
sir, I really hope that the wound has recovered, and that it will only go for the best you, your team, Kamex...you didn't deserve what happened with Sakuroma (Mama Moth) people sometimes arent able to discern truth from fiction, and see offensive, blasphemous, vulgar things when there is nothing, really I myself just loved all your work, aned even more your FNF lore (heck I still listen in repeat mode Satisfracture, Ectospasm, Icebreaker and others) I already checked the prvious video, and I felt so...disgusted disgusted by what those "savages" did to you you only deserve praise and love when I was in a dark period, your musics lightened me up, brought me to smile again i'm not quite yet out of this, but I hope you will still help me to hang in there and I hope we, who love you all, will help you too Guys, I love you all, and I want to say this : thank you may the furure be bright again
I never knew that an OC that you had made, and would have been proud of, would cause so much problems for you retro. And not just you, but to Kamex as well. It also doesn't sit right that any artwork that depicted a romantic relationship that included your main mascot: Retrospecter was essentially phasing out Kamex/Ace entirely and replacing him with Saku. At least all of that damage is being undone now. I hope that this sort of scenario doesn't happen again.
Retro's spective sounds good. I've no idea what any of this is. But the Hivemine plushy is adorable and I couldn't resist. Hope they get funded... And I hope they get along with my Ace Isolation plushy, I had no idea that these were the... same universe? I'm still clueless as to what's going on. =D Sorry some people are being overly emotional toward your characters. I'm not very into sexual content and I'm also trans. So you can rest assure, Hivemine will not be treated in any weird or nasty ways when they arrive!
Sakuroma is still my favorite sin: from her design, to both of her voices, to literally all of her and Makus songs. I never dabbled in the weird aspects of the modding community, I just watch out for mods for the music, so I guess I got lucky and my perception of her wasn't tainted. I'm happy her weird perception hasnt tainted the character, and Im extra happy with how she's been portrayed as of late. She's like a Mom(especially towards Maku), and Moms are hot, so it's a win-win
I don't know how I got here but I just wanted to say I really like the "heart over the groin area" becoming more of trope with flirty/lustful characters like Sakuroma and Lovander from Palworld. It's unbashful, unapologetic, straight to the point, symbolic, cute and a nice barely cover-up. Also I really appreciate someone wanting to make their "slutty" character less "slutty" or not just "slutty" but keeping the original design fully intact, things are getting very weird nowadays with apparently people demonizing sexuality and attractiveness out of nowhere which is just something that shouldn't be happening.
Man this is so sad I loved Sakuroma since I first saw her since she reminded me a bit of Bayonetta, a powerful sexy feminine character whos obviously confident and proud in her own skin She was really inspiring to me as someone whos more feminine presenting and occasionally struggles with self confidence and feeling beautiful in my own skin I loved her like I loved Bayonetta when I saw how confident she was Its such a shame she got the treatment she did and that people reacted so weirdly/negatively to her
I loved the mod everything about it was awsome! Keep up the work! Oh a video idea could be balders gate 3 (idk if i spelt it right) its entirely up to you. Have a good day or night!
Man, you need to stop letting people get you down. Take it from a man who's skin color often gets people to put him down: those folks ain't worth worrying about what it is they got to think. You ar a talented music creator, writer and you repping some stuff people don't wanna hear. Fuck them they ain't worth it. Don't let them get you down.
I'd say one issue is the classic way to portray seven deadly sins as characters that are like: hot woman, lazy guy, fat guy who eats, guys who's mad etc. instead of horny guy, lazy guy, fat guy who eats, guys who's mad etc. or hot woman, demon who's a bed, guy who cooks, annoying guy. Because making the sins either 'characters who do the sin' or 'characters who temp to the sin' makes sense. But when you make every sin except lust do the sin and make lust a temptress, it kinda implies that being a hot woman is a lustful act in itself, which is kind of a problematic mindset. So one fix could be to not just alter Sakuroma's character but to make the other sins also temp to their sins instead of just acting their sins, so she won't be the odd one out. Ie. have pride tell the player that they're doing a good job during/after their fight
Perhaps. Maybe Sakuroma could have a "do the sin" aspect in the form of her actually being way more pushy and uncomfortable. It could even create a contrast with her design since her looks and cute face are clearly there to "ease" the player. Sure, it could creep them out... but it's also part of Lust to end up coming off as uncomfortable, so I'm pretty sure it's part of the contract.
I feel like every public figure with famous OCs should expect to have some weird fans who use said OCs in ways the creator wouldn't approve of... With that said, the way these people treated your actual boyfriend boarders on unhinged.
something ive been wanting to see for a while is another terraria remix. maybe moon lord?? devourer of gods?? empress of light?? idk but it would be really cool to see
I'm gonna be honest, but I think this highlights how the FNF fandom has a sexism problem, specifically how they treat female characters vs how they treat male characters when it comes to sexualization. Like whenever a mod sexualizes GF, people are quick to get up and arms and label it as horny bait, but when BF's balls are literally shown front and center in the game over screen, no one cares. Plus the entire plot of the game revolves around BF and GF trying to screw, but apparently this flies over everyone's heads. Then there's the whole debacle surrounding Sakuroma (who represents the sin of LUST, by the way), mentioned in this video of course. People were so quick to get angry at the character because... her being the sin of lust is the whole point? This is not only in spite of the fact that FNF is not a kids game, but the main game also has Daddy Dearest, whose pube hairs are barely concealed by his pants, but nobody cared about that. Honestly the sexism aspect can go both ways; these people complaining either believe female characters shouldn't be seen as beautiful, or they don't believe the male characters have these same "problems" and thus don't bring it up. I could understand being uncomfortable about people sexualizing characters that are said to be kids (like Skid and Pump), but not legal adults like GF and Sakuroma.
ahh a new episode of retro rambles where a funny guy rambles about his characters and his life for at least 30 minutes just enough to favor the algorithm
Hey Retro I have a question. When you cancelled the Retro FNF mod, I wasn't upset that you CANCELLED it(Your damn stuff, you can do what tf you want and I totally get the community just... Draining you.) but I was sad that I wouldn't get more on the story of Retro, and Saku, and Ace and actually get to learn more about the overall story you had planned, so my question is since you have no intents of continuing the mod, would you ever consider continuing the story OF the mod in another artform? Perhaps not involving BF much anymore since you only made the whole rapping deal for FNF, but I think you know what I mean. I'm glad you're uploading again and I hope you keep doin good, I miss watching your streams on the reg
What would you like to see me make a video/remix on next? Let me know down below! Also some quick things to note:
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-Those are not my hands/arms in the Hivemine plushie video, that's Kamex/Ace
-Sorry if my Vtuber looks like drunk in this video. I recorded with the lights off like a dummy.
It’s okay dude, don’t stress your self out on this.
Yeah, take ur time
Retro learns how to sing polyrithms .
AND TAKE UR TIME, LOTS OF LOVE ❤
I love the seven deadly sins also retros my favorite as is the sin of wrath while sakuroma is second
Some WI Remix please
I honestly saw Sakuroma as a woman who was confident in herself and helps people know their self worth. And considering her to be lust I can see her not only helping couples but people who lust for dreams. Lust can mean different things too. I think that would make her cool tbh.
Evil side of her is her being an awful influence on those who lust for things like power >:]c
Like lust for power or drugs?
She is a SIN of lust, but not gonna lie, she really can show you your best. But still she is demon
Bug woman
Omni-man would smash
After watching Saku's evolution over the last year or two, I've grown to love the direction her character and writing has been taken. It still embodies her symbolism, however she's shown to be more caring and respectful of others, especially those in relationships, along with having a high-end and fancy aura mixed in with the allure of her sin without it being the driving force behind every single one of her actions. Can't wait to see how her character continues to grow and flourish alongside the other sins in the cast.
265 likes and no replies? Lemme fix that.
275 likes? Let’s fix that
The main problem I have with Sakuroma's new direction is that it's kinda like straying away from Lust. I still believe that if Retrospecter KNOWS that Sakuroma is based off of the Deadly Sin of Lust, it's safe to imagine that he'd still throw a wrench in the feeling of comfort by just adding that "oh sh-" moment that would change the way you view Sakuroma.
As someone who wrote fanfic for two plus years, yeah, writing is not easy. It wasn't like I hadn't made stories before, only short ones, but when you write character that are a part of a bigger story, yeah, I've made a couple of stupid mistakes, but I can't imagine how rough it was with you, since I wasn't making something that could get out of hand like this.
But we all grow, and I too want to right some wrongs I did with my characters. The best part about making mistakes is that you now know not to do them and can better yourself easier. I wish you the best writing your story.
It's rare that I make fanfiction, but I know that it's not easy to write or even describe the personality of a character, the real downside is who should say that when you put one of you are personally in a universe, you have to be careful about what you say, or what your character says, you have to correct yourself, review and find the right sentences, and especially with Lust ^^'
Gotta say, interesting history of Saku. Airplane best part. Nice video, let's go Terr- I mean Hivemine plush!
The concept of the sins sort of rubbing off on one another is actually really cool, makes me wonder what would happen when different sins interact, like Greed + Envy or something.
Everyone, just everyone
The universe will implode.
I don’t care about any negative connotations, saku is one of my favorites of your characters. I think she’s funny, I know I said this in one of the last videos but I like it when she’s forced to play the straight-man… woman… moth (I don’t care I made this joke before I like it)
Plus, moth, I like moths so more characters based on them is appreciated.
Plus I like the new direction of her character. Look forward to seeing more
Agreed! I especially thought some of the expressions and dialogue they gave her in vs. Retro were pretty hilarious. Especially that almost Jojo-esc devious face, or her more stoic "not amused" face.
@@komodo7772 The expressions she has are friendly, I don't see how we can not appreciate her, she has personality, and she emanates a sincere and attractive aura, but hey, Sakuroma is not a simp, but an excellent one.
Someone you could really get along with ^^
Well, it hurt me to see that she gets rejected so much, and that everyone wants to make her x.x, like when a character appears on the internet, you don't know how it's going to happen next .
@@judinatheargonianthief1385 Indeed, such is the unpredictable horror of the internet, I suppose. That apparently not even moth/woman/demon hybrids can escape lol.
I'll also be working on art for my design of Fractureverse, or mirror universe Sakuroma, or Admiramor as I've named her, once I've finished working on the drawing for Fractureverse Ace, aka Spade (and maybe Fractureverse Zerktro, named Contemptro). And I have at least a basic concept of what I'm going for with her design and personality, so I'm looking forward to it!
In any case, it ought to be interesting to see more of Saku, in her second form, along with the other sins at that, once Vs. Retro part 2 is out.
@@komodo7772 Yes, after Insatian and Hivemine have to suffer it too x.x
lol, poor Saku, she deserves a big hug, even if you have to take a stepladder X)
Also, I would be interested to see what you are going to do, doing a fracture universe version is interesting ^^
Yes, I can't wait, when it comes out, I'll make a video on it, and for phase 2 of Saku, I'll play it last, just to keep the "dessert" ;)
@@judinatheargonianthief1385 I see, lol! In which case, I'll be looking out for the reveal of vs Retro Part 2 when it's out, and your playthrough of it. I'll also post another video on my channel once more art of my Fractureverse versions of Retro and Kamex's characters are ready. Hopefully in the meantime, things go well for you!
Honestly I can definitely see a lot of the damage this character caused
I for one didn’t think much of her in the first version of the mod, I thought her song was cute and probably the one I listened to the most and didn’t start paying more attention to her until the art started to roll in, eventually getting me intrigued in the fact that I hadn’t seen a sin of lust be portrayed in such a refined way overtime, Sakuroma is my favorite vs Retro character, but doesn’t mean I don’t appreciate the rest of them
Keep up the great work on this content Retro, really great to hear a refined version of your experiences :)
sorry you have to read and witness the madness of a fandom ._. good to hear you still attach to her and re-writing her, i love what i hear and read of the new sakuroma!! also HIVEMINE is ADORABLE! i will try to get her!
Honestly, I'm kinda proud to see how retro realised that he had caused situations he wasnt find of, and now wanting to turn things around to what they should be like. Godspeed to him, his friends and career!
I completely understand the struggles of writing a character and having to re-write them after the flack they get. I started following your content past the Saku rewrite and really enjoy the direction you're taking her. Hopefully the people thirsting for Saku understand that she's just a fictional character and that you have an actual relationship with Kamex. Also, airplane.
I never realized saku was such a deep character, nor the sheer amount of damage her image had caused. I’m so sorry you had to go through something like that. I’m still a saku simp and I’m proud to be one, and I’ll always be one. So no matter what becomes of her character we’ll all welcome it with open arms and love her all the same just as we show our support and love for you and your content
I agree, I'm also a "Sakuroma simp" but not one of the weird ones from the weird questions that Retrospecter mentioned, and although it said that Saku wouldn't have a partner that she's madly in love with, I made an AU of her with my OC (not judge me)
I’m so sorry how bad the Saku situation got but I am glad you are finding ways to fix and heal from it all. I cannot wait to see what you have in store with your ocs.
17:35 I know this is sort of besides the point (but the point was definitely received), but that Frospect design is really sick. Could be cool if he were to be included in the mod, possibly as a secret character, though it's completely understandable if you don't do so.
God knows, writing characters is NOT easy. I'm glad Saku's getting some fleshing out after all of that.
I’m glad I took the time to watch this. I mean, I knew the bits and pieces but to know fully how much happened to your character and what she became gave me a new view. I still enjoy her because of the whole moth concept. But I’m glad to hear everything and just how bad it got.
Well, the damage has already been done, but it does not mean that it cannot be remedied, Sakuroma is a complex character, but at the same time pleasant, and I like the direction you are giving him, from a lascivious character to a more understanding one, and Leaving this aside, you also brought memorable soundtracks, like Fuzzy Feeling and Moompoms, which are the ones I like the most, and of course Ectoplasm, if you brought gems like these, I can't imagine what's coming.
Lucky you have our support
One of the biggest questions about the mod, is why Retro is the sin of wrath specifically. (Simply out of curiosity)
Anger issues
Probably most fitting? I mean the other ones that made some sense were Pride and sloth wich neither match the look with retro really exept mayby Pride but our pleaque doctor pal doesent really fit wrath
Bc he is eazy to anger, very angry in phase 2
Damn, I had no idea of the scale of the history of her, I've heard a little about it but non as clear as this. So hopefully these issues can be solved soon. Retro, your mod really stood out for how much emotion and love into it, and to keep on trying to get it finished dispite how downhill the FnF community went, I can't help but admire that determination. I truly hope to see you be your best, as well as your relationship with Kam to flourish. Thank you @RetroSpecter, for the great mod, the great story and development, and most of all your amazing talent to make such wonderful and inspiring content -NicktheDrago
i think that keeping characters people only have beef with due to personal taste is the most satisfying way of dealing with them. its giving them the finger and continuing your life, showing them that even though they WANT your attention you wont give it to them (except maybe to occasionally make fun of them if they keep being whiney)
I'm still trying to be a writer, I can say that it is pretty hard writing a character, but we learn as we go, I have played the mod songs of Retro, Ace and Saku, I adore the characters a lot, Ace is very interesting, Retro is pretty badass, Saku is very charming to say the least
It does hurt to see that Saku was mistreated, I haven't really looked into it back then, but this video helped me realize that
I'll continue supporting you and everyone on the team~!
I'm glad you're ding her justice, I always found comfort in Sukuroma's design but people would always make it weird. To be fair, at the time her entire character fed into it. And her being the sin of lust I figured I should just be expecting this. But at some point it just got uncomfortable and annoying. This change is what everyone needs!
I was not aware that people made Sakuroma beheading art, reminds me of the Reggie the Rat hatebase
I've always seen Saku as an equal to the other sins, as opposed to some greater character. I see all 7 of the sins as 7 pieces of one whole bigger picture. Your characters are awesome, Retro. I also am wishing you and Kamex well, as you both are great TH-camrs. Stay awesome, Retro. I'll be patiently awaiting whatever cool content you're cooking up, whether it be gaming related or related to your characters or whatever else you want to make.
One of my favorite dialog combinations was when choosing Zerktro on the stereo. That one had VERY minimal sexual references and it was just Saku trying to barter with Zerktro and it was funny seeing her kinda fed up lmao
Honestly I rlly like the amount of world building youve done with ur ocs so far :)
A spooky pokemon medly for Halloween? (Lavender Town, Strange House, Glimwood Tangle, Distortion World, etc.)
As crazy as the reaction to Sakuroma was ya have to admit people payed out on twitch to see the 3d model of her in your streams. Its sad that people reacted to your 2nd character in the way they did and even worse how it effected your real relationship.
I still find it disturbing that people hated saku so much they were sending you art of her being stabbed, sliced open and beheaded like TF how old are you people?!
Too young to be on the internet, probably.
The FNF fanbase has a weird mix of some people who are horrendously down bad and others who are utterly puritanical. The first group barks like dogs and makes all sorts of weird comments when shown anything even mildly suggestive and the others are *enraged* at that same content, and I've found that the second group are usually (but not always) kids and younger teens.
That second group is much more likely to react violently to anything like Saku, because in their heads it's bad, dirty and wrong.
Retro, you’re an amazing creator. I totally understand this idea of storytelling, YOU GOT THIS! 👍
Terry is a very polite looking little fellow. Also I feel glad you managed to fully give sakuroma a whole great story to her dude
I have a twin brother who's into the same gender as him.
That's him, people sand say the exact same words about him. I am protective of my brother no matter if he's into the same gender or not But I won't say that to his face at all. You reminded me of my brother hey ba bit
One thing I'm glad is that this situation didn't completely break your ability to do anything NSFW period. I wouldn't fault you if it did, this sort of obsessive response is... well. I wouldn't say it's common. Most people are still people and know how to read the room, whether they're doing SFW or NSFW, and listen when told otherwise. But when it does happen, it is INTENSE. So the fact that you got through it and came out the other way without gaining a complete aversion to lewds is honestly inspiring.
Man i hope nothing bad happens when we get the furniture updates
I really don’t want things to get worse for you
Well here is the video about Sakuroma. Damn Retro literally has same age as me and he has made so many crazy achievements and musics in his life already.
Moral of the story:
Don’t make characters based off the seven deadly sins because for lust it will almost always end up horribly wrong.
Meanwhile, Minos from Ultrakill: XD
@@GlitchedHALMinos isn't based on lust, he was ruler of the layer of lust, not the sin itself
It's nice hearing your opinion on your character and I hope things do get better and would love hearing the videos explaining the other sins
I think she should have a split personality where she finally takes control of her life after an absolutely banger song
I hope you have a great year
Man this was quite the listen, while sad stuff had to happen, glad you could grow from it
I often lurk around and occasionally interact with your community but at least for me. Saku's always been a fantasy interaction and personification of the aspects of lust (drive, horniness, flirtatious nature, ambition) lust can mean many things. Power Hungry? That can be Lust just as much as Wrath.
I am saddened to hear that the flanderization (which I watched too) hurt Kamex as much as it did. I loved the Heartbass remix and his other content throughout this whole thing.
For what this is worth. I'm writing this comment just as another voice that supports you. I've enjoyed seeing you grow since I first stumbled upon your content when you were doing sonic-remixes primarily like ... 2013-2015 era I think? I finally Subscribed and haven't regretted that choice.
-Cheers
3:04 DID I HEAR A ROCK AND STONE!?
Damn i had no idea just how bad sakus situation was i hope you can get everything straightened out so sue can properly flourish as a character for you wish u best of luck retro! And cant wait for vs retro pt 2!^w^
Retro: airplane
Me: you get distracted a bit Retro
All your art's are awesome retro
Some people are just weird so weird
And hope u grow more bruh
And can't wait for the mod
Bro, a few years I just knew you as a music maker with no problems but then I just look back on the channel and I just see dreams in first few vids 😅
Hey Retro hope your doing well and glad to see your feeling better too, and listening to your video I honestly enjoyed it and got more of an understanding of what's happen, tho my apologizes if I go dumb at times, still when seeing your characters for the first time I honestly was amazed at both Retro and Sakuroma's style, tho after hearing the kind of hate towards her kinda surprised and abit sad but we won't go there, also hope your doing well and your lover is doing well too. Hope to see your next update tho don't rush and take time to relax and enjoy yourself and those around you too.
Ive grown to love Saku as a character now. and sure i simp for her but i dont go that far. Shes a great character so far. hopefully the changes you to her will have a big impact. Hope mod making is going well Retro!
3:04
DID SOME ONE SAID ROCK AND STONE!?
Personally "Retro Rambles" sounds really catchy and I'd enjoy that as a name
people keep forgeting between oc and realityi was kinda thze same when i was teenage, life could be better that way but they dont think about the creators personal's feeling behind it.
I cant belive it turn so hard for you and your boyfriend and im glad it get better now! keep it up strong !
Ive seen and made some characters, that have a race/species of a thing that would normally be questionable, and turn it into something more controlled. And some of my friends don’t like my more controlled OCs, for bad reason. So I understand where your coming from.
For some odd reason i completly understand that cause even today some people sometimes don´t understand me and my boyfriends relation, I truly am sorry you went through all that and hope for it to go better in the future for both you and Kamex. And a very good video pointing out how communities go Haywire with anything they can. People ought to watch this video to learn a bit more then just charge in and yoink everything for granted. Stay safe
3:03 - "never naming my characters Rock Plus Stone-"
Me: ROCK AND STONE, TO THE BONE!!!!
im not gonna lie. i only came to your channel for the remixes. i didnt start payin attention to the oc stuff until around the time where you seemed to resent sakuroma. the more i looked into things, the more i kept sayin to myself "why is he mad? he did this to himself." and i started dislikin her too. or rather... i liked her design and what not, but couldnt stand how people acted around her. one...that was cold of me. and i apologize. two, im actually glad you spoke up about this. it honestly seems like its doin both you and your community a lot of good for you to air out your thoughts like this. i wish you and kamex the best. ....you two should play board game online with each other. should be fun. even if its not for a video
The repercussions segment perfectly shows why me and some friends don't share our universe of ocs because of people like that
Also one word 'airplane'
Im happy that you two have gotten stronger from this experience
I am sadly going to say I have been absent from your channel for a good time. I had no idea what was going on to hear about this video. What was the previous one about? I have to honestly say you really handled this maturely and man respects for handling all of this. I am happy to hear that you are doing well and so are those you hold dear to your heart doing the some. Just as I also want to mention how I am super excited to hear what you have planned for the future for your characters also with the more refined characterization of her with the next project I wish you luck and hope that everything turns out well for you.😁😌
16:28 i just burst out laughing, that was a good one
First off, I love the name "Retro-spective" for this series.
Second, I would love to see more of this for the other sins as I am interested in the development behind them. I doubt they would be as long, but still.
I honestly enjoy sakuroma’s design in both a.. certain weeb point of view. As well as a personality view since her design could also represent how pride should be allowing for her to love anyone and anything even in a sexual way
1:25
"I don't need it," I say to myself, blatantly lying. "I already have plushies." I say, trying to convince myself that you CAN have enough plushies.
understandably, writing is hard
as someone who does own 2 fursonas, both brothers to eachother its hard to work in a dynamic that isint a direct corolation to how my life is irl, as i have a habbit of doing so.
for now i think its doing well but i have a plan on making more seperate yet fun together, type of thing
Damn, I didnt know any of these bad things happening. Sure Sakuroma and Retrospecter are one of my two favorite characters but I dont ship them, personally I see them more of a best friend relationship after seeing Sakuroma for the first time. Im glad things are getting a change and cant wait to your FNF part 2 mod! Keep up the good work and sorry if I didnt know any of these are happening. Still though keep it up! :3
The legend uploads again ur my favorite TH-camr retro and my favorite remixer
I think we need the whole series of Retrospecter universe animation series!
Hell yea!!!
I definitely wanna see more Insatian stuff
I'm just Gonna Say that seeing retro actually do jokes after all this time just makes me happy
I got to say, I really like her as a person, not a sex object or something, my ex was using her as a person, so yeah, she was a kind of friend with my ex's oc, so well, yeah
Stay strong retro. You are very good youtuber and i like you chareters.
Damn this shit deep with saku.
This video opens up alot retro good vid!
Damn, that indeed is a complex situation
Ok this one I expected, I agree that you wrote her TERRIBLY at first, but you've clearly improved overtime. And the fact that she's a female (and literally lust personified) she was bound to get some creeps looking at a png of her and spilling… whipped cream on it. Yeah lets go with that. With that out Ogg the way though, on an unrelated subject, I think you should make frospect into a fully fledged character, maybe retro or aces cousin that hangs out with the two from time to time, or even a sort of bad guy character that either hates that they're in a relationship, or hates that neither are in a relationship with him. You have a lot of artistic talent and that alone gives this character infinite possibilities, so I hope to see what you do with him in the future.
I'm glad to have finally seen this video come to fruition! And it's great to finally have a relatively in-depth retrospective regarding one of your characters, Retro. Omce more, as someone who's only recently found your channel, I'm quite sorry to hear that you had to go through the drama and struggles you did as an artist. So once more, I'm glad to know that despite this, you're willing to admit and reflect on the mistakes you'd prior made.
As someone who greatly enjoys the the concepts and lore regarding your characters as well, I also greatly appreciate you effort to stregnthen Sakuroma's character, and expand on her role in your verse! Hearing that Sakuroma's design has inspiration taken from the Metroid series was an interesting surprise to me. Though knowing that you seem pretty fond of that series, I probably shouldn't have been surprised to begin with.
As for potential suggestions I might have for content, maybe you could make a video going into your experience with making music, or maybe breifly describe how you first became interested in music at all, for that matter.
On this note, as always, whatever you do come up with for future content on your channel, I'll be looking forward to seeing and/or hearing it! Until then, best of luck as always, Retro!
17:40 Snake boi! I miss him as he was actually pretty cutie designed and I have a giant passion for reptiles fiction and non fiction😅
Sick intro Retro :) 0:15
sir, I really hope that the wound has recovered, and that it will only go for the best
you, your team, Kamex...you didn't deserve what happened with Sakuroma (Mama Moth)
people sometimes arent able to discern truth from fiction, and see offensive, blasphemous, vulgar things when there is nothing, really
I myself just loved all your work, aned even more your FNF lore (heck I still listen in repeat mode Satisfracture, Ectospasm, Icebreaker and others)
I already checked the prvious video, and I felt so...disgusted
disgusted by what those "savages" did to you
you only deserve praise and love
when I was in a dark period, your musics lightened me up, brought me to smile again
i'm not quite yet out of this, but I hope you will still help me to hang in there
and I hope we, who love you all, will help you too
Guys, I love you all, and I want to say this : thank you
may the furure be bright again
I never knew that an OC that you had made, and would have been proud of, would cause so much problems for you retro. And not just you, but to Kamex as well. It also doesn't sit right that any artwork that depicted a romantic relationship that included your main mascot: Retrospecter was essentially phasing out Kamex/Ace entirely and replacing him with Saku. At least all of that damage is being undone now. I hope that this sort of scenario doesn't happen again.
16:46 I feel the same way about my favorite pokemon, Braixen.
Kitakami wild battle theme or vs. Carmine could be interesting remixes.
How about:
Retrospect Reports?
So that’s how you got the names, that’s great!!!!!
Retro's spective sounds good.
I've no idea what any of this is. But the Hivemine plushy is adorable and I couldn't resist. Hope they get funded... And I hope they get along with my Ace Isolation plushy, I had no idea that these were the... same universe? I'm still clueless as to what's going on. =D
Sorry some people are being overly emotional toward your characters. I'm not very into sexual content and I'm also trans. So you can rest assure, Hivemine will not be treated in any weird or nasty ways when they arrive!
Sakuroma is still my favorite sin: from her design, to both of her voices, to literally all of her and Makus songs. I never dabbled in the weird aspects of the modding community, I just watch out for mods for the music, so I guess I got lucky and my perception of her wasn't tainted. I'm happy her weird perception hasnt tainted the character, and Im extra happy with how she's been portrayed as of late. She's like a Mom(especially towards Maku), and Moms are hot, so it's a win-win
I know you have that body pillow of her.
@@Cubeytheawesome Im gay lol
@@dorrianbrooks9408 yeah it’s her but male.
I don't know how I got here but I just wanted to say I really like the "heart over the groin area" becoming more of trope with flirty/lustful characters like Sakuroma and Lovander from Palworld. It's unbashful, unapologetic, straight to the point, symbolic, cute and a nice barely cover-up. Also I really appreciate someone wanting to make their "slutty" character less "slutty" or not just "slutty" but keeping the original design fully intact, things are getting very weird nowadays with apparently people demonizing sexuality and attractiveness out of nowhere which is just something that shouldn't be happening.
Man this is so sad
I loved Sakuroma since I first saw her since she reminded me a bit of Bayonetta, a powerful sexy feminine character whos obviously confident and proud in her own skin
She was really inspiring to me as someone whos more feminine presenting and occasionally struggles with self confidence and feeling beautiful in my own skin
I loved her like I loved Bayonetta when I saw how confident she was
Its such a shame she got the treatment she did and that people reacted so weirdly/negatively to her
I loved the mod everything about it was awsome! Keep up the work! Oh a video idea could be balders gate 3 (idk if i spelt it right) its entirely up to you. Have a good day or night!
I'm really sorry all this happened to you and Kamex. At least everything seems fine now.
Man, you need to stop letting people get you down. Take it from a man who's skin color often gets people to put him down: those folks ain't worth worrying about what it is they got to think. You ar a talented music creator, writer and you repping some stuff people don't wanna hear. Fuck them they ain't worth it. Don't let them get you down.
I'd say one issue is the classic way to portray seven deadly sins as characters that are like:
hot woman, lazy guy, fat guy who eats, guys who's mad etc.
instead of
horny guy, lazy guy, fat guy who eats, guys who's mad etc.
or
hot woman, demon who's a bed, guy who cooks, annoying guy.
Because making the sins either 'characters who do the sin' or 'characters who temp to the sin' makes sense. But when you make every sin except lust do the sin and make lust a temptress, it kinda implies that being a hot woman is a lustful act in itself, which is kind of a problematic mindset.
So one fix could be to not just alter Sakuroma's character but to make the other sins also temp to their sins instead of just acting their sins, so she won't be the odd one out. Ie. have pride tell the player that they're doing a good job during/after their fight
Perhaps. Maybe Sakuroma could have a "do the sin" aspect in the form of her actually being way more pushy and uncomfortable. It could even create a contrast with her design since her looks and cute face are clearly there to "ease" the player. Sure, it could creep them out... but it's also part of Lust to end up coming off as uncomfortable, so I'm pretty sure it's part of the contract.
I feel like every public figure with famous OCs should expect to have some weird fans who use said OCs in ways the creator wouldn't approve of...
With that said, the way these people treated your actual boyfriend boarders on unhinged.
Oh my, he's a go get her lol
I just realized that the intro song sounds like a part of ectoplasm
at least her 2nd form makes sense, im just scared of how it'll be received cuz you know how the community is...
I would actually like to see a video covering the other sins!
something ive been wanting to see for a while is another terraria remix. maybe moon lord?? devourer of gods?? empress of light?? idk but it would be really cool to see
15:30 wait, the heartbass cover was a coping mechanism?? That's one of my favourite covers in fnf, i didn't know it was a coping mechanism.
I'm gonna be honest, but I think this highlights how the FNF fandom has a sexism problem, specifically how they treat female characters vs how they treat male characters when it comes to sexualization.
Like whenever a mod sexualizes GF, people are quick to get up and arms and label it as horny bait, but when BF's balls are literally shown front and center in the game over screen, no one cares. Plus the entire plot of the game revolves around BF and GF trying to screw, but apparently this flies over everyone's heads.
Then there's the whole debacle surrounding Sakuroma (who represents the sin of LUST, by the way), mentioned in this video of course. People were so quick to get angry at the character because... her being the sin of lust is the whole point? This is not only in spite of the fact that FNF is not a kids game, but the main game also has Daddy Dearest, whose pube hairs are barely concealed by his pants, but nobody cared about that.
Honestly the sexism aspect can go both ways; these people complaining either believe female characters shouldn't be seen as beautiful, or they don't believe the male characters have these same "problems" and thus don't bring it up. I could understand being uncomfortable about people sexualizing characters that are said to be kids (like Skid and Pump), but not legal adults like GF and Sakuroma.
adrable bee pushes SAY NO MORE ILL TAKE YOUR WHOLE STOCK (I have a problem with overpurchasing bee plushies)
ahh a new episode of retro rambles where a funny guy rambles about his characters and his life for at least 30 minutes just enough to favor the algorithm
Hey Retro I have a question.
When you cancelled the Retro FNF mod, I wasn't upset that you CANCELLED it(Your damn stuff, you can do what tf you want and I totally get the community just... Draining you.) but I was sad that I wouldn't get more on the story of Retro, and Saku, and Ace and actually get to learn more about the overall story you had planned, so my question is since you have no intents of continuing the mod, would you ever consider continuing the story OF the mod in another artform? Perhaps not involving BF much anymore since you only made the whole rapping deal for FNF, but I think you know what I mean.
I'm glad you're uploading again and I hope you keep doin good, I miss watching your streams on the reg