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Heated Gun Debate Between Colion Noir & Co-Founder of Gun Control Organization

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    Pro 2A Advocate, Colion Noir, Gets in a Heated debate with John E Rosenthal, the Co-Founder of a Gun Control organization, Stop Handgun Violence.
    John E Rosenthal: Is chairman of Stop Handgun Violence that supports Banning the most popular and commonly owned rifle in the country the AR-15, Magazine Capacity limitations, Background checks on Private Gun Sells, Taking Peoples Guns Without Due Process known as Red Flag Laws, and Other Gun Controls. (SHV) was the lead advocacy organization for the Massachusetts Gun Control Acts of 1998 and 2014.
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  • @zachtretbar7817
    @zachtretbar7817 3 ปีที่แล้ว +792

    John Rosenthal answered exactly 0 questions, while also contradicting himself.

    • @Barefoot433
      @Barefoot433 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I agree.

    • @potterj09
      @potterj09 3 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      He taught me today that .223 rounds are the ones'what tumble ... hahaha.

    • @user-dp2km4zv5f
      @user-dp2km4zv5f 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Just like Biden

    • @zackanderson8942
      @zackanderson8942 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      All Dems are commies bro listen to what he says

    • @user-bq1yz3xr4u
      @user-bq1yz3xr4u 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@potterj09 yea he obviously has no idea what he’s talking about I think 223 is small honestly and military weapons are automatic weapons amazing how he can start an anti gun organization and have no idea about guns

  • @robbywoolums9071
    @robbywoolums9071 2 ปีที่แล้ว +577

    For someone who runs “stop handgun violence,” he sure does talk a lot about rifles.

    • @fotaugrafee
      @fotaugrafee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Colion said it best in his foreword, that he's nothing more than an anti-gun or gun control shill, regardless of how many or what firearms he owns.

    • @kayp.3832
      @kayp.3832 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      The left ALWAYS contradicts themselves. I'm sure he also thinks a toddler isn't a full person either. They're literally all a walking joke.

    • @hmanontario
      @hmanontario 2 ปีที่แล้ว +33

      When he described the "devastation" caused by a .223 round, and questioned the ability to consume game taken with that round, it threw his credentials/credibility as a gun owner right out the window. Owning firearms out of convenience to bolster your point, as if to say, "Hey I'm one of you guys, I got the inside scoop" is so disingenuous.

    • @fotaugrafee
      @fotaugrafee 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@hmanontario In CN's comical libtard voice, "OMG, it like, turned it into venison shrapnel!!"

    • @trivory59
      @trivory59 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@kayp.3832 what's crazy is for the most part I'm a Democrat but believe the 2A is one of the most important ammendment. I stand on both sides depending on the subject but I strongly believe that the 2A shall not be infringed

  • @Gimpinator23
    @Gimpinator23 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +223

    John is using the debate tactic known as “if I ramble on for minutes at a time while making countless different points he’ll forget to destroy every single one of them.”

    • @AnxietyAttack.
      @AnxietyAttack. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      It’s called a gish gallop. Very common in politics and little kids.

    • @RileyPierce_
      @RileyPierce_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      He forgot to make points though💀

    • @Imnotsurewhattoput798
      @Imnotsurewhattoput798 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@AnxietyAttack.Thank you for teaching me a new term.

    • @zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0
      @zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      A friend I used to talk to did this all the time about any topic. Just stopped talking to them one day.

    • @Jaco3688
      @Jaco3688 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      THAT was the exact post which I just made: Dump do many arguments onto the table that your opponent cannot address them individually, and the sheer volume of arguments - irrespective of how weak they are - will hang in the air. Glad you picked up on that. That is the result of poor moderating.

  • @TheMoodyLoners
    @TheMoodyLoners 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +258

    There's no doubt that guy will never again agree to debate a 2A advocate who knows what he's talking about.

    • @mrbm9222
      @mrbm9222 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Don't underestimate stupid people. He came away strutting thinking that he convinced every listener that he a genius.

    • @SWZ32TT
      @SWZ32TT 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      To be honest... most people who debate on the side of 2a are actually way better informed than those on the anti-2a side. Not just because they support guns... but they can actually form arguments on the fly backed by facts with proper terminology. The other side regurgitates talking points with poor or flat out false information and an inability to understand the terminology they use.

    • @chedderburg
      @chedderburg 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The way I came to a pro 2A argument was when I had kids 2 years ago during the “pandemic”
      It was immediately clear my job is to keep them safe and it won’t take much disruption for the police to focus on protecting their own families as they should.
      So, I must protect them, and with my neighbors and our community we can keep eachother safe. And boom, you get to we need to be able to have guns and be able to form groups to protect our families. We always have and always will.
      We have far too much faith in our government.

  • @HonestTakesAll
    @HonestTakesAll 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5836

    When he said there’s a 5 rd limit for deer and 3 for duck, there is no limit for people. Yes there is… the limit is zero. You’re not allowed by law to hunt humans…

    • @BooksNGuns
      @BooksNGuns 3 ปีที่แล้ว +203

      Facts

    • @kalebcook7215
      @kalebcook7215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +236

      this comment is underrated

    • @kevinm.328
      @kevinm.328 3 ปีที่แล้ว +313

      True, and if someone is trying to kill me why would I limit myself on ammo? Hold on bad guy, you only have 10!? Let me unload 20 of mine. Now it's fair🤣

    • @spencerjensen1993
      @spencerjensen1993 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Hahahaha! Nice.

    • @jimhirka9395
      @jimhirka9395 3 ปีที่แล้ว +191

      If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. - John Steinbeck
      His arguments revolve around how many rounds police etc have which indicates some type of fairness debate.

  • @rickalexander2801
    @rickalexander2801 3 ปีที่แล้ว +860

    Rosenthal: " I don't need an AR-15"
    Patriots: It's called a "Bill of Rights", not a "Bill of Needs"

    • @billgoobinhoffer4705
      @billgoobinhoffer4705 3 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Then he says he owns a Daniel defense 5.56. Hypocrite!

    • @Dr.pikachuu
      @Dr.pikachuu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I love this lol

    • @Haveablessedday820
      @Haveablessedday820 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@billgoobinhoffer4705 it’s different he has money
      For these people if you got enough money you can own anything

    • @joshmueller1212
      @joshmueller1212 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Then why does he have one?

    • @ponycentaur1456
      @ponycentaur1456 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      when Rosenthal says you dont need an AR.
      That is why i will buy TWO Ar

  • @kaleahsol
    @kaleahsol 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +157

    The anti guy became unhinged way too quickly. Everyone was having a great conversation, but he quickly turned to "I let you speak, now let me speak." Colion wasn't trying to cut him off, he was just attempting to have an actual dialogue.
    This is exactly the kind of person I worry about. "Rights for me, but not for thee."

    • @TrueHylianKnight
      @TrueHylianKnight 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That was very weird to me too.. The conversation was smooth and going well, plenty of common ground found then there was a cut in the audio. Now all of a sudden this dude was incredibly heated for whatever reason? I don't agree with the guy's stance on guns but that's sus asf

    • @willbrink
      @willbrink 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      They are not logical nor fact based people, and allow their emotions to rule their mind, so no surprises there.

    • @blackgazex5873
      @blackgazex5873 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Notice how emotional certain types get in normal discussions once their arguments fall flat

    • @boogiebam7104
      @boogiebam7104 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He sounds like a guy just spouting random things that his echo chamber normally agrees with

    • @oronk60
      @oronk60 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      He's the type to hire armed guards and at the same time take arms from people that can't afford to do that.

  • @Zachary-
    @Zachary- 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +89

    "I LET YOU SPEAK." while never actually letting him speak.

    • @tr3boz528
      @tr3boz528 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ah yes, the american politician…

    • @wakeupatnightable
      @wakeupatnightable 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Was just about to comment this. He tried to bulldoze the conversation.

  • @deebee4575
    @deebee4575 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1013

    “I’m pro 2nd amendment but” -conversation over.

    • @ivankrylov6270
      @ivankrylov6270 3 ปีที่แล้ว +69

      Im not racist but...

    • @xGuns0fHonorX1
      @xGuns0fHonorX1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      No the conversation shouldn’t be over. That mindset is why you have these problems. Do you see Colion ending the conversation when he does that? No! You may make a point that resonates with them after that conversation is long done and over with and just like now, more people may here it and be able to learn from it...
      Stop treating your individual values as higher than mighty when it is your responsibility to have that conversation even with the worst of them.

    • @jimhoover7345
      @jimhoover7345 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@xGuns0fHonorX1 I agree with you.

    • @RaspingPompano2
      @RaspingPompano2 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed!!

    • @very7962
      @very7962 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      @@xGuns0fHonorX1 we have absolutely ZERO business to do with anti-2nd amendment traitors.
      The most they will ever get from us, is a laid out “MOLON LABEN” and that’s it.

  • @taylorsessions4143
    @taylorsessions4143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +256

    Colion: I win if I present a sound argument
    John: I win if I don't let him speak

    • @jordanvalle6389
      @jordanvalle6389 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He really did cut him off a good 30 times but good forbid if Colion had a point to add to his stuff.

    • @salinora0
      @salinora0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      sums up not just this debate. but the entire gun debate as a whole

    • @jonosterman2878
      @jonosterman2878 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@salinora0 because if you really look at their gun control suggestions closely you begin to realize that it’s all based on virtually nothing. There’s no foundation of logic and reason, just pure emotion. Even the universal background checks. It sounds reasonable on its face, until you present the registry argument and then it crumbles. John couldn’t even touch that one, and refused to answer how that would work without a registry. Because it CANT work without one. Gun control is basically the same as the big pharma approach: find a magic pill and sell it to everyone like they’re all dumb tards.
      You can’t solve a complex, vast problem with a cute little “cure all” method. It just doesn’t work that way. The root cause is not guns, and those measures would only work if the root cause were guns. There are several root causes here and I don’t think guns are part of that. They may be a cause but not at the root.

  • @Benjanuva
    @Benjanuva 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +32

    Can you give me a definition of "assault weapon"? Proceeds to give an emotional response to the loss of human life by an AR-15. That's not a definition!
    Then proceeds to completely misunderstand how powerful the .223 round is.
    "You eat what you hunt with a .223!?"
    "...Why wouldn't I?"

    • @QualityPen
      @QualityPen 22 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I wish Colion did a better job of showing how dishonest that characterization of .223 was. Most rounds used on deer such as .308 or .30-30 are significantly more powerful than .223.

    • @SoundWave24
      @SoundWave24 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Tf u mean normal officers don’t have an ar-15? My father’s entire department has a service ar-15 in their police cars

  • @speed6407
    @speed6407 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

    I don't own a single assault weapon . Every firearm i own is a defense firearm!

    • @robertcross3451
      @robertcross3451 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @speed6407 and or hunting

    • @jonosterman2878
      @jonosterman2878 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Technically it’s not a true assault rifle because it isn’t select fire, but we should stop pretending that it wouldn’t be right at home on any battlefield. The m4s dint even do full auto anyway they do burst, so how much of a difference is there really? But also, there is NOTHING wrong with civilians owning semi auto versions or what our soldiers are issued. Not a god damn thing wrong with that. That’s the point we should be pushing, not that they aren’t assault rifles or military weapons, but that they are and there’s nothing wrong with that. Just like being gay 😂

  • @kelseymcgarrah2858
    @kelseymcgarrah2858 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5788

    I think everybody who's a 2A advocate in this comment section needs to take a moment to really be thankful for colion noir and the fact that he is eloquent enough to put people like this in their place and make them look as dumb as they really are, I personally thank you colion we need more men like you in this cause

    • @ryanramos3286
      @ryanramos3286 2 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      🙏💪

    • @alwaysfreedom9354
      @alwaysfreedom9354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +52

      He is a great man! We should also support the authors, like John Lott and John Grit, who support the human right to own and carry guns. Beyond that, they support freedom itself.

    • @stevengirardi6542
      @stevengirardi6542 2 ปีที่แล้ว +86

      Colion is always on point. John however is the epitome of his side. He obviously has no education on guns, "all the tissue damage the 223 does" ??? Sorry, go get educated before attempting to have a conversation on the topic!

    • @NB-no7lh
      @NB-no7lh 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      👏🏻

    • @TheBurkey426
      @TheBurkey426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Well said!

  • @GarryReyom
    @GarryReyom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +674

    Every gun control advocate starts off with “I own a gun too”, yet they want poor people to be defenseless

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 2 ปีที่แล้ว +48

      and then show they know NOTHING about guns. You can outgun cops. So what, then they better not try and choke me to death.

    • @GOTBADRAP1
      @GOTBADRAP1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +43

      And yet they seem to believe that a 223 will do more damage to a human than a 300 Winchester Magnum.. This just proves their ignorance of firearms..

    • @williamcash231
      @williamcash231 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      “Have a black friend” lol

    • @robertsmith2956
      @robertsmith2956 2 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      @@williamcash231 My black friend has a white gun, while I have a black gun. We are equal.
      Although my grips caught that michael jackson disease and are turning white slowly.

    • @klivityloja3067
      @klivityloja3067 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Or they have a .22

  • @ReaIHuman
    @ReaIHuman 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +38

    This is why anti-gunners refuse to argue with you. They know they're wrong and are genuinely malicious when it comes to having a debate.

  • @stepside85
    @stepside85 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +135

    I think it's funny that John is surprised by the fact that Colion uses a .223 round to hunt and then eat the meat when most hunters probably use a .30-06 round to hunt which is a substantially larger caliber, which was also a caliber of war.

    • @LittleGreyWolfForge
      @LittleGreyWolfForge 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      Dude really said it would shred all the meat in the animal 😂

    • @nessington3006
      @nessington3006 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      exactly what I was thinking, John probably uses .308 or .30-06

    • @BlackViking4547
      @BlackViking4547 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@LittleGreyWolfForgeprolly got that one from Joy Behar and the rest of The View(less) 😂. But can’t rule out 7.62 either. Pretty sure that would be decent for hunting 😋

    • @AnxietyAttack.
      @AnxietyAttack. 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@LittleGreyWolfForgedude hasn’t hunted in his life. Its always the people with zero experience making these baseless arguments

    • @LittleGreyWolfForge
      @LittleGreyWolfForge 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AnxietyAttack. Fr.

  • @SilentKillAirsoft
    @SilentKillAirsoft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2507

    “Police only have pistols with 13-15 rounds as their service gun.”
    More often than not police officers have an AR-15 in their patrol car rather than a shotgun.

    • @Urmom-mm6dk
      @Urmom-mm6dk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +358

      I’ve never seen a cop NOT have an AR in their patrol car

    • @Someguy6571
      @Someguy6571 3 ปีที่แล้ว +83

      Exactly!

    • @SilentKillAirsoft
      @SilentKillAirsoft 3 ปีที่แล้ว +214

      @@Urmom-mm6dk some agencies that have less funding usually still have cops carrying shotguns. I also know of agencies that require extra training for police officers to be able to carry an AR-15 instead of a shotgun. But yeah AR-15s are carried by a lot of police officers nowadays so this John guy is very misinformed.

    • @frustaci9
      @frustaci9 3 ปีที่แล้ว +87

      @@Urmom-mm6dk most agencies in MA have ARs in their cruisers along with patrol rifle quals in the academy

    • @kadoozie3567
      @kadoozie3567 3 ปีที่แล้ว +147

      Let's not forget that LEOs are not subject to any of the firearms laws in Massachusetts. They can buy any capacity magazine and any firearm they would like for their own personal use. And even if they quit / retire they are allowed to keep them because Ma doesn't outlaw owning these things, just the purchase. If I can pass a background check to buy a weapon then you're already trusting I won't use it to commit a crime so why put an arbitrary limit on what I can own at that point?

  • @batmanstrike8287
    @batmanstrike8287 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1778

    I think it's ridiculous that John keeps dodging every question. Props to Colion for being the only one who gave straight answers

    • @yknowiknow5937
      @yknowiknow5937 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Not just that, John's clueless, about the meaning, of the CONSTITUTION and he's a LIAR, his info is nonsense, wherever, it came from.🤔😒

    • @debravictoria7452
      @debravictoria7452 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

      Seems like no matter what the question is, he just repeats his talking points. And, did he really, seriously quote the cdc?🤦‍♀️

    • @spencerwarren9219
      @spencerwarren9219 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Notice john isn't a politician. That's why he answered the real questions.

    • @gdknght9581
      @gdknght9581 2 ปีที่แล้ว +38

      when you dodge questions... YOU ARE DODGEY !!!

    • @grimfandango6137
      @grimfandango6137 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      John is a typical Boston Liberal, and as I live in Boston, I have seen the huge billboard he has been responsible for for years, right facing the Mass Turnpike at Fenway Park. On this billboard he has posted every virtue-signalling leftist cause you can think of. The current anti-gun campaign is just the latest.
      He claims to be a "gun owner" He claims to be "a proud owner of a Daniel Defense 5.56 and thousands of rounds of ammunition". He claims to be a "hunter". I will bet my house to a jelly donut that this Boston liberal has never owned a gun in his life, probably never even touched one. He would be ostracized by his circle of Cambridge liberals if he did. This is merely a debating tactic and it does not fly by me.

  • @Turboy65
    @Turboy65 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    The historical application of "militia" has NEVER been as "national guard".

    • @QualityPen
      @QualityPen 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly. The Second Amendment is about enabling individuals to own and become proficient with firearms.
      The National Guard is a part of the military and government. Since when does the government need to give its soldiers a right to keep and bear arms? It’s a ridiculous argument.
      There is the reason it is explicitly *the people’s right* and not the military’s right.
      This stuff requires only a brief review of the history and statements by the founders to understand. Anybody still making the argument the Second Amendment is about the National Guard should be ignored because they are being heinously dishonest.

    • @josefarrington
      @josefarrington 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Militia was a government militia. Hence, the "well regulated" part of the 2nd amendment.

  • @randallhackworth421
    @randallhackworth421 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Apparently I need to move, I’ve lived in 3 states, never bought a firearm without getting a background check. Didn’t even know it was possible.

  • @JohnDoe-lx3dt
    @JohnDoe-lx3dt 2 ปีที่แล้ว +910

    I love watching these from the UK, where we banned all guns for self defence yet gun crime is on the rise. Don’t give up your rights and freedoms to these monsters

    • @dnandez79
      @dnandez79 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Howdy from Texas. They aint takin anything from anyone. The second they start a door to door program the free men of America will rise up.

    • @saongpark2423
      @saongpark2423 2 ปีที่แล้ว +58

      not to mention crimes with knives and other objects. And 60% hot home invasion because criminals don't worry about armed home owners.

    • @jedeckert9525
      @jedeckert9525 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Thank you.

    • @chetsjug
      @chetsjug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +31

      No kidding like when they took the handguns from Australia crime went up and again when they had their BuyBacks for all long guns the home-invasion robberies increased tenfold!

    • @Mike_H76
      @Mike_H76 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I recently saw a 2018 article about a knife terrorist (Jihadist) in London... immediately the "bobbies" armed up with their AR's and patrolled the subways. They literally looked military, far more than US police. Of course, nobody was there to save the people knifed to death.

  • @jonnyjl345k7
    @jonnyjl345k7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +703

    The ‘I’m not anti-gun, I have a gun at home’ excuse is the equivalent to ‘I’m not racist, I have a black friend’

    • @MM3Soapgoblin
      @MM3Soapgoblin 3 ปีที่แล้ว +56

      I bet his gun, if he even really has one, is still in it's case locked away in closet somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought one just for the talking point.

    • @scottfrazier8105
      @scottfrazier8105 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Well realistically he isn't anti-gun he's really just against we plebs having them. I guarantee that he and his elitists buddies feel like they are much more mature and responsible than all the people arguing against them gatekeeping our Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is the kind of guy that refers to Jan 6th as "The Insurrection". So he is FAR worse than the Anti-Gun people who have been lied to so much by these gutter snakes that they are irrationally terrified of guns. They are just misguided but this SOB and all those like him are DANGEROUS.

    • @scooty6410
      @scooty6410 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lol...that's priceless lol

    • @QueerArmorer
      @QueerArmorer 3 ปีที่แล้ว +23

      It's straight up "I don't walk around carrying a gun I have the help carry them why don't you?"

    • @jonnyjl345k7
      @jonnyjl345k7 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@QueerArmorer…what?

  • @johndotter351
    @johndotter351 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    To buy a gun legally everyone goes through a NCIS Background check from an F.F.L. Dealer!

    • @Wilhelm4131
      @Wilhelm4131 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not for a private sale

  • @chadreddish4002
    @chadreddish4002 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    I love how John felt so entitled to talk without giving you a chance to respond. This happens on every debate I see. That’s not a debate.

  • @mudbucket1650
    @mudbucket1650 3 ปีที่แล้ว +338

    "I support the 2nd Amendment" goes on to discuss how he would infringe upon it.

    • @turkey1337
      @turkey1337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      That's the new tag line from Anti-2a. I figured if you support 2A, you wouldn't need to declare it. If you don't support 2a, you would need to say it to help disarm the other side.

    • @TheOfficialJayP
      @TheOfficialJayP 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      it's the same logic with "christians" who start out saying "i believe in God BUTTTTT" and then go on to describe a version of god in their mind who is okay with some sins 🙄

  • @THEKITPLUG
    @THEKITPLUG 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3809

    The biggest fundamental difference is one side has 100% faith in the government to never do evil and the other side does not.

    • @mcbean1
      @mcbean1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +82

      And that the latter side has faith that guns are an effective form of protection from said government

    • @padywac1970
      @padywac1970 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      Bingo!

    • @bulrydrdan
      @bulrydrdan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +179

      @@mcbean1 It worked for the people of Vietnam and Afghanistan.

    • @mcbean1
      @mcbean1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@bulrydrdan well seeing what wonderful places those are I have to really question your understanding of the word "worked"

    • @bulrydrdan
      @bulrydrdan 2 ปีที่แล้ว +99

      @@mcbean1 It doesn't have to be your utopia to answer the question that gun protected themselves from said Government. See I lived in the real world for 50+ yrs and all over this world. While you have lived where? So my understanding of the real world may be differant than your understanding of a small portion of it.

  • @Imugi007
    @Imugi007 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    Lemme get this straight. This guy works for an organization called "stop handgun violence," but thinks that "military style assault weapons" are the problem? What?

    • @jonosterman2878
      @jonosterman2878 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I think what happened is that he isn’t capable of actual debate with someone who is trained in the art of arguments, and he fell back to shitty talking points that usually get him through media interviews.notice the long pauses before be starts attempting to answer some of the questions. He can’t do it. He pauses and then immediately jumps to his little talking points, again and again and again. It’s very frustrating to listen to

  • @rickludwig184
    @rickludwig184 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    So if i meet a guy at a gun show and he sells me a firearm -illegally-without a background check, that’s “the gun show loophole.” Does that mean if I meet a guy at a Walmart parking lot and buy his gun-without a check-then it’s the o’l “Walmart lot loophole?”

  • @spikedwk
    @spikedwk 3 ปีที่แล้ว +649

    This guy has literally no idea what he's talking about. Him owning guns is a terrifying thing, he is the type of person who should not own any weapons since he refuses to educate himself on them.

    • @tedubadu2536
      @tedubadu2536 3 ปีที่แล้ว +42

      If I'm at the range and an instructor says "ok now put the ammunition magazine in the handle" I'm revoking his NRA instructor badge 😂

    • @bradcallahan3546
      @bradcallahan3546 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      but but... the government has nukes and so you can't use an AR-15 against it... therefore you don't need one!

    • @kemohere
      @kemohere 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      You guys are crazy. He taught me so much. Im ditching .223 and using 30.06 from now on. Im gonna have so much more usable meat. These squirrels are gonna be delicious.

    • @FilmFlam-8008
      @FilmFlam-8008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      He likely “owns” a gun in the same way most people have only the minimum $5 in a savings account.
      He has a gun, unloaded, locked, in a double safe that has never been opened.

    • @FilmFlam-8008
      @FilmFlam-8008 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@kemohere
      Cannons are legal. And don’t even need a background check. Use them instead. You can fire golf balls, beer cans, or bowling balls. For about $300-$700. Less than a Glock.
      And it saves time tenderizing squirrel meat.

  • @danielwharrison
    @danielwharrison 3 ปีที่แล้ว +333

    "John, can youdefine what an assault rifle is?"
    John- "hold on, let me stand on these dead childrens bodies because I don't know what an assault rifle is."

    • @staticivi
      @staticivi 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      So the answer is… whatever he decides. Because there was no actual definition. We should ban a hammer… because you can literally make someone unidentifiable with that… or a rock… assault weapons…

    • @danielwharrison
      @danielwharrison 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@staticivi more murders are committed with hammers/blunt objects every year than with AR-15s, so don't give them any ideas.

    • @kylelloyd700
      @kylelloyd700 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@staticivi 'aye, you got a permit for that brick, son?' smh...

    • @myles3856
      @myles3856 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@kylelloyd700 yup

    • @reggaetonjones1988
      @reggaetonjones1988 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The grandstanding is so bad with this guy.

  • @gregkramer623
    @gregkramer623 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I'm sure that I'm not the only one to notice that virtually all " common sense " gun control laws are aimed at law abiding gun owners and making it more difficult for them to own guns. Not one of these laws targets the criminal misuse of firearms and enhancing the sentencing for those crimes. Use a firearm in the commission of a crime and get a mandatory 20 yrs added to the sentence. Ahh, but why do that ? It might just reduce violent crimes.

  • @krazyCat556
    @krazyCat556 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The minute co founder said he’s a business man that told me all I needed to know .

  • @rothandre6497
    @rothandre6497 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4887

    Honestly, this wasn't a debate. It was Colion trying to discuss and debate, and John doing mental gymnastics to support his untenable views.

    • @johnkolinoff8591
      @johnkolinoff8591 3 ปีที่แล้ว +71

      Exactly.

    • @doom2ruler
      @doom2ruler 3 ปีที่แล้ว +197

      John could not answer a single question and had to try to end-round it every time. It was never an answer, it was, "So you want..." He couldn't stop straw-manning!

    • @truthcomedy.
      @truthcomedy. 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      As they do Verbal Judo, Mental Gymnastics...this guys are MMA of logic system, but this guy is worst than McGregor fails on his own logic.

    • @capnjs
      @capnjs 3 ปีที่แล้ว +63

      His responses reminded me of how the guys who get caught wearing fake military uniforms react when they get called out on their inconsistencies. Grasping at straws trying to sound authoritative while having a complete lack of the fundamental knowledge required to do so. Unfortunately, as these clowns in uniform fool many people, so to will this idiot claiming to be "pro second amendment" while in the next breath saying that women should be banned from owning the most accurate and easy to aim home defense weapon (AR 15).

    • @DeusVeritatis
      @DeusVeritatis 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      Fudds usually live like that.

  • @Brad-ut1ro
    @Brad-ut1ro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +301

    Gun control guy: “Why isn’t there a limit on hunting humans?”
    Me: There is a limit. Zero. That’s y murder is illegal. Smh

    • @Ty-vn3cu
      @Ty-vn3cu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Why do we openly give access to mentally unstable people though.... I.E. the latest school shooting....

    • @VueiyVisarelli
      @VueiyVisarelli 2 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Right?! Totally detached from _reality,_ only using absurdities and trite talking points...and then also getting condescending.

    • @jerryg.5923
      @jerryg.5923 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I have heard the anti-gun people say this before and it leaves me flabbergasted along with the statement like "What about those of us who got no 2nd Amendment, who is going to protect us?"

    • @keithwilson9378
      @keithwilson9378 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      lol but if they ban the guns the criminals will follow that law lol ya right its like they brained washed too common sense criminals do not follow laws

    • @Ty-vn3cu
      @Ty-vn3cu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@keithwilson9378 It will surely make it harder for psycho 18 year olds to purchase rifles...

  • @donmaxwell1902
    @donmaxwell1902 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I was at a gun show recently in Texas and saw people filling out paperwork for the background check so why does he keep saying no background checks for a rifle with large capacity magazines?

  • @scottmckenna
    @scottmckenna 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    You’re a hero Colion. Thanks for being willing to speak the truth with respect.

  • @iridium1118
    @iridium1118 3 ปีที่แล้ว +414

    I'm reasonably certain it isn't legal to hunt humans with ANY size magazine.

    • @MinnesotaCouchpotato
      @MinnesotaCouchpotato 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      When I heard him say it, I had to rewind the video a few times, I couldn't believe it.
      12:15 if anyone is interested.

    • @robn2666
      @robn2666 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      😭😭🤣🤣

    • @cliffyknight
      @cliffyknight 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah, that was a dumb fucking thing for him to say. Equating hunting ducks with being a murderer of which you don't have to get a license for.

    • @itsirish9582
      @itsirish9582 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@cliffyknight he pretends like any AR-15 owner is going down to the sheriff's office to apply for their murder license lmao what a moron

    • @JanstonCordell
      @JanstonCordell 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      It's a damn good thing then that Communists aren't human.

  • @FoxholeIndustries
    @FoxholeIndustries 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4712

    John is making every stupid argument we always hear. He doesn’t sound additionally educated on it compared to your average anti gun nut. He became frustrated with colion quickly and contradicted himself many times. He needs to pick a new cause because he’s not good at fighting for this one.

    • @joshbechaistron791
      @joshbechaistron791 3 ปีที่แล้ว +235

      I was thinking the exact same thing and you beat me to it lol. Yeah john is just pounding out the same anti-gun tropes we've all heard a million times. He's uninformed, out of touch and falls back on worn out defense mechanisms instead of presenting a valid argument.

    • @kokonanana1
      @kokonanana1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +274

      How about controlling drugs in Massachusetts? Death from guns 3.4/100,000. Deaths from drugs 31.8/100,000. Check the CDC!!! He is not worried about safety, he is worried about CONTROL!!!

    • @beargillium2369
      @beargillium2369 3 ปีที่แล้ว +96

      @@kokonanana1 very good point, and I'd bet that drugs are involved (if not the direct cause) in most of the gun deaths as well, in a myriad of ways.

    • @sweetiespoon5150
      @sweetiespoon5150 3 ปีที่แล้ว +78

      Logical fallacies abound! This man John is an incredulous hypocrite.

    • @factspirate99
      @factspirate99 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      He does it because he knows how to get rich doing it.

  • @flyfishigsi1188
    @flyfishigsi1188 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hunted coyote, fox, bobcat, and hog here in Texas with my .223. .223 are used nation wide for hunting every day. And as a retired police officer of 20 years, I was NOT UNDERARMED. I carried a .45 ACP, an M4 and a Benelli Super 90. I had plenty of ammo/magazines for a gun fight. I don’t know what your officers are carrying in Massachusetts that makes them under gunned? 9mm with one mag? This guys facts are way off and his understanding of the second amendment/constitution is delusional.

  • @bernard1799
    @bernard1799 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I'm from Massachusetts. I'm pretty liberal, but also pretty pro-2A. When John asked what your AR-15 is going to do against tanks and nukes, I immediately thought "has this guy never heard of an insurgency before?" If the government was indisciminately bombing civilians, they would lose a lot of support in the conflict. Also, how does this guy not know that cops have rifles in their patrol cars?!

    • @jonosterman2878
      @jonosterman2878 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Also, as was mentioned, they ain’t gonna carpet bomb their own metros 😂that’s not how all that works.

  • @joek8620
    @joek8620 3 ปีที่แล้ว +203

    I’ve never seen an LAPD officer without a service AR and a shotgun in their vehicle. And that’s California

    • @LukeNineK
      @LukeNineK 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I just came down to comment exactly this, about every cop care I see in LA has an AR in the front seat.

    • @tybot1980
      @tybot1980 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      I was thinking this the whole debate. The gun grabber kept saying police have 17 rounds and that’s it. They all have an AR in the trunk.

    • @jennyromero9041
      @jennyromero9041 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Exactly. Just look up a video of police shootings and you will see most of them respond with rifles. Plus I wanna know all these states and gun shows that aren't doing background checks to buy a gun because I have never seen one.

    • @mikkalbreeden956
      @mikkalbreeden956 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I didn’t see your comment and wrote that I used to keep an AR-15 in my patrol car.

    • @Appalachia_Ape
      @Appalachia_Ape 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah most Maryland counties are like that too. It's a useful tool, no reason they shouldn't keep a rifle on hand. As to rosembum's point, there is literally an entire subset of AR market known as "PATROL rifles/carbines".

  • @BlackOmegaWorks
    @BlackOmegaWorks 3 ปีที่แล้ว +173

    John is basically an NPC reading his programmed script. He kept saying "when I hunt" when every educated person knows 2A isn't about hunting.

    • @drillsgtdad9371
      @drillsgtdad9371 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Exactly

    • @TM_Stone
      @TM_Stone 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John is a batch file. He double clicks on himself because he doesn't have a brain.

    • @honkbeforeitstoolate587
      @honkbeforeitstoolate587 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Negative. Juice program NPCs. These are the creators, unfortunately.

  • @Dumfancy
    @Dumfancy 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    The difference between guns and automobiles is that you do not have the right to drive an automobile. It's a privilege. You don't have to register and take courses yearly to have free speech. Nor do you have to pay a fee to refuse unlawful searches and seizures. They are rights, they are part of being a law-abiding American citizen.

  • @mcorrive12
    @mcorrive12 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The hardest part about watching this is the time limit. Every time John is debated into a corner, the topic of conversation is changed by him or the moderators. And it's not that the moderators weren't good, they were just too time limited to drill down into specific points. Great job to the moderators and Colion for doing this! We need more of these!

  • @DeltaBravoOpr8r
    @DeltaBravoOpr8r 3 ปีที่แล้ว +176

    The FEMALE moderator just demolished John’s emotional arguments at the very end by calling him out.

    • @Cjusmc28
      @Cjusmc28 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      That was my favorite part of the whole thing! Perfect illustration of his inability to be reasonable.

    • @TheCoolwhipped
      @TheCoolwhipped 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      I was pleasantly surprised by the moderators, though the standard radio format ruined the flow.

    • @southerninterloper4107
      @southerninterloper4107 3 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      Both of the moderators were surprisingly reasonable (perhaps even pro-2A). I expected this to turn into a "The View" style crap-fest but it didn't even come close.

    • @turkey1337
      @turkey1337 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@southerninterloper4107 Agree! The moderators were surprisingly reasonable and fair. I just didn't like the format of it though.

    • @762x69
      @762x69 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      John was childish and ugly there at the end having his arm twisted to say Colion doesn't want people hurt. Money and a nice neighborhood doesn't buy class. John is in short supply of such.

  • @deathmetalrudiments
    @deathmetalrudiments 3 ปีที่แล้ว +317

    "Every single state, that has background check requirements, makes it a little harder for LAW ABIDING CITi...criminals" The most epic Freudian slip ever!

    • @williamflowers9435
      @williamflowers9435 3 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Exactly. Gun control is not to make people safer. It’s to make the population more vulnerable and usher in more draconian laws and government dependence. Protect the criminals, for without them, the Democratic Party has no platform upon which to stand every 4 years in these cities where violence persists and, despite decades of Democratic leadership, no improvement has been made.

    • @bigbroman5927
      @bigbroman5927 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      Lol.. caught that too.

    • @beargillium2369
      @beargillium2369 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      💯

    • @outerspaceman7534
      @outerspaceman7534 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      What the time stamp?

    • @deathmetalrudiments
      @deathmetalrudiments 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      @@outerspaceman7534 26:46

  • @riverpirate1022
    @riverpirate1022 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Shall not be infringed" is extremely straight forward.
    The words that come before that are irrelevant.
    Shall not be infringed means you cannot make any laws whatsoever to restrict the Citizens access to firearms, period.
    ALL LAWS on the books in EVERY place in the USA are unconstitutional and VOID.
    We DO NEED to own FULL military weapons, which are currently illegally denied to us and are VERY costly to obtain through VERY strict permitting and fee processes.
    Basically, only the rich with clean backgrounds can own automatic weapons, which is wrong and unlawful.

  • @A.Navarre
    @A.Navarre 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Where does he buy firearms because I’ve always had to have a background check when purchasing a firearm.

  • @stephenmccaffrey199
    @stephenmccaffrey199 3 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    OMFG. The “it destroys meat” argument is ALWAYS made by someone who has no clue what a .223/5.56 round does.

    • @Dr.pikachuu
      @Dr.pikachuu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      So does a slaughter house

    • @peterlowell7963
      @peterlowell7963 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Timestamp?

    • @KyberKommando
      @KyberKommando 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@peterlowell7963Starts at 20:47 Colion Noir destroy John's dumb AF argument.

    • @r6dave807
      @r6dave807 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      I absolutely agree!!! Somebody who was familiar with the .223/5.56 round or hunting in general, would know that there are much more powerful rounds used for hunting game than the .223.
      .308, 30-06, 12G slug, .44 Magnum, and so on and so on. This guy has no clue and his poorly constructed arguments make this crystal clear.

    • @burtrandolph1745
      @burtrandolph1745 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@r6dave807 .44 Magnum is absolutely not more powerful than .223/5.56. Go shoot a .44 Mag and a 62 grain 5.56 out of a 18” AR barrel at some ballistic gel and tell me which one has a bigger/more dynamic wound channel.

  • @Knightmare239
    @Knightmare239 ปีที่แล้ว +251

    John talking about “what’s your AR15 gonna do over a sophisticated military?” That same military has been fighting men running around in scandals with their AKs for decades.

    • @northwestgaming4049
      @northwestgaming4049 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Oh that is good my friend. Hahahahahah

    • @mustangstevegt
      @mustangstevegt ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Yep. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam ect.
      Not to mention the atomic weapon thing he's saying, would never happen because to military is going to detonate those on their own cities on their own soil.

    • @ilovebutterstuff
      @ilovebutterstuff ปีที่แล้ว

      Then he implied that the government could just drop a nuke on the American public if it decided to. Yeah, we know exactly where you stand, Statist summabich.

    • @williamadams8353
      @williamadams8353 ปีที่แล้ว

      John doesn't know how civil war happens right in your neighborhood and not on some distant battlefield? How people who have used what ever means it took to deprive people of their constitutional civil rights are not immune from the consequences of those actions? Public employees who ignored the desires of their constituents for years and actively strived to remove constitutional guarantees by pushing illegal and unconstitutional laws that did away with due process and assuming the accused is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Red flag laws and laws that make secret decisions that affect the free movement of a person by putting them on a no list without due process. All these groups who have this delusion that they know whats best for other people need a large lesson in minding their own business. That lesson starts with illegal unconstitutional laws being declared null and void, and the people who voted and passed those laws need to be sued for depriving US citizens of their constitutional rights under color of authority and conspiracy to commit treason. When you set about destroying the foundational legal bedrock of a country after having taken a sacred oath to uphold and defend that same constitutional law, then you are most certainly in need of a long time out to contemplate your betrayal of your fellow citizens. Breaking big rocks into little rocks at Fort Leavenworth federal day spa and retreat sounds like a wonderful destination for these public employees who have forgotten who they work for.

    • @MyFunnyVids888
      @MyFunnyVids888 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@mustangstevegt yeah the whole nuclear weapon argument is asinine because any nuclear radiation would most likely be blown up north or south and affect other countries or the federal government not to mention carpet bombing and the likes dont work against non concentrated targets and mostly destroy infrastructure in this situation which lets be honest infrastructure in the us is already poor. We'd also have to take into account the amount of defectors in the federal military there would be and how many would be willing to nuke their own home or attack civilians

  • @six7264
    @six7264 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The absolute GALL to say that police officers don't need AR-15's when cruisers are usually equipped with M4 Carbines which are more powerful than the AR is. I hate these dudes because they never know what the hell they're talking about.

  • @markbulva4188
    @markbulva4188 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    And as a Canadian we do not manufacture the guns being used in the crimes here in Canada. They are 99% illegal weapons smuggled into the country. And as you may or may not know our federal government invoked an emergencies act. Which is essentially martial law and seized the bank accounts of canadian citizens so yes the canadian military has fighter jets and tanks they are the military and not the ones that seized bank accounts and arrested and charged Canadian citizens for protesting government covid mandates so you bet the government can be tyrannical

  • @SaxaphoneMan42
    @SaxaphoneMan42 2 ปีที่แล้ว +334

    This moderator not letting John off the hook at the end was amazing.

    • @shanevenhorst4304
      @shanevenhorst4304 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      My favorite part in the whole debate was 27:05. She basically backed him into a corner.

    • @j_w_d_s
      @j_w_d_s 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      She asked him what he thought Colion would agree with and he literally says something that Colion clearly disagreed with.

  • @lordreku
    @lordreku 3 ปีที่แล้ว +233

    I'm thirty minutes in and I don't think John has answered literally a single question asked. "How do you define an assault weapon?" Changes subject. "How would you enforce a universal background check?" Changes subject. "Do you really think a volunteer army would nuke its own citizens?" Changes subject.

    • @alkatmsu
      @alkatmsu 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I gave up halfway through for the same reason... only one side actually answers questions!

    • @cypher1o1
      @cypher1o1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      He spent the who time building a strawman and spiting slogans while bringing almost nothing of substance

    • @smacksmacksmack
      @smacksmacksmack 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I know, and no calls him out

    • @melvinshannon4742
      @melvinshannon4742 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Non that spoke to the topic

    • @randallrogers6350
      @randallrogers6350 3 ปีที่แล้ว

      The way liberals and leftists are. Deflect, deflect, deflect.

  • @geraldervin6342
    @geraldervin6342 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Rosenthal called it a CLIP instead of a magazine, tells me he still dont know anything about weapons!! My constitutional rights are sacred to me and ill be damned if some stuff shirt politician/ college educated idiot is going. To tell me ( a law abiding citizen) what i am allowed to own! ! As an army vet and retired police sergeant, I feel more confortable with law abiding citizens owning weapons then i do with the government owning weapons! An armed society is a polite society!

  • @gregryeii403
    @gregryeii403 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Thank you Colion for this. One discussion I would like to hear is how do we keep guns away from the bad guys and crazy people WITHOUT infringing on the rights of the general public. Colion if you have any suggestions please make a video.

  • @xcal_99_industries32
    @xcal_99_industries32 3 ปีที่แล้ว +168

    “Stop handgun violence”
    *talks about why we can’t have Ar-15s*

    • @insidethefire1
      @insidethefire1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      exactly. the left is full of double speak and hidden. ill never vote democrat againl.

    • @qcdsticks
      @qcdsticks 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It's because he's not trying to save lives he's trying to ban guns. Every single time I hear "I support the 2nd amendment, but..." I immediately know they actually don't. They "try" to level with us true 2nd amendment supporters. They use straw man arguments and try to use emotion to push laws it's all a face

    • @funnyfack9854
      @funnyfack9854 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dude's arguments are weak af Colion strong with it

  • @jessejohnson85
    @jessejohnson85 3 ปีที่แล้ว +302

    "Do you think people should be able to own tAnkS!?!?!" "People can own tanks in the United States..." Good work Colion. This guy made a fool of himself.

    • @rangersmith4652
      @rangersmith4652 3 ปีที่แล้ว +46

      IT IS legal to own a tank. Rosenthal immediately went for the hyperbolic, emotional response about someone going around with a tank blowing up cities, as if owning such a thing would always lead to using it to break laws. It's illegal to blow up cities with a tank, just like it's illegal to blow up cities with a pipe bomb. And it's illegal to use an AR-15 to kill people randomly, just like it's illegal to use a revolver, a knife, a hammer, or a car to kill people randomly.

    • @fun4sinclair
      @fun4sinclair 3 ปีที่แล้ว +27

      @@rangersmith4652 Well said!! The strawman is strong with this one. The irrational fallacy that "... owning such a thing would always lead to using it to break laws." must be illuminated and defeated. Stay frosty my friend.

    • @tekkblade82
      @tekkblade82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      If I had the money and the land, hell yes I'd own a tank.

    • @gokezv2215
      @gokezv2215 3 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      @@tekkblade82 that’s like a no brainer , why not have 3 fucking tanks

    • @tekkblade82
      @tekkblade82 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@gokezv2215 it would be good to have a spare for when the main battle tank is in the shop.

  • @stevenjasper2165
    @stevenjasper2165 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    “Why are we allowed to buy high capacity mags? They make it so easy!” Nobody knows that school shooting in Russia with basically the worst pistol ever, shot 50 people. No magazine, break action only a couple shots at a time and originally designed for non lethal ammo. What makes it so easy is that nobody can defend themselves, not high capacity mags. Also cops have well over 100 rounds, and reloading only takes a second. Ar15s aren’t even legal to hunt deer with in many states because it’s not powerful enough to be humane!

  • @senorgogagog
    @senorgogagog 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    From a 2016 survey, only 7% of the estimated 287,400 criminals who possessed a firearm during their offence legally purchased it under their own name, and even fewer used it during their offence. It's not typically the _guns_ that are illegal; it's that the _owner_ doesn't legally possess them. I'm not even American, and yet it baffles me how few of them actually do any research on the matter other than looking at death statistics!

  • @LastT0mat0
    @LastT0mat0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +129

    "Could you define what an assault weapon is?" "No but here's an emotional story" 20:00

    • @AliAlhussaini
      @AliAlhussaini 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Capitalizing on people’s loss

    • @patrickjr80
      @patrickjr80 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Too bad it was pistols used in Sandy Hook, the Ar15 was found in his car.

  • @robertocortez8087
    @robertocortez8087 2 ปีที่แล้ว +438

    Rosenthal is so full of it. He's contradicted himself, consistently interrupted, used emotional fallacies, hyperbole to make Colin look crazy and in some cases told out right lies. He is so disingenuous, and it's terrifying to think someone like that is able to influence self defence law

    • @vitolapinta
      @vitolapinta 2 ปีที่แล้ว +32

      "guns for me, but not for thee". I loved how shocked he was about hunting with a .223

    • @johnsmith-fy8jo
      @johnsmith-fy8jo 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I love all those hyperbole because some of them are correct.

    • @kyoswkyosw1216
      @kyoswkyosw1216 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      @@vitolapinta as someone who has a living relative from Vietnam, where they introduced the .223 to the military to replace the 30cal M14, he always says the same thing when we ask about how he liked the m16. “We didn’t want to replace a .30 caliber with a .22, the bullets are smaller and lighter and we thought they would just bounce off branches and would pass though people without as much damage as a .30 when we’re TRYING to kill the people trying to kill us”
      And the fact we use .30cal rifles for hunting all the time and he’s surprised people hunt with the SMALLER and LESS DAMAGING bullet but says nothing about semi automatic higher caliber rifles..? I just don’t understand where he gets his information from, especially thinking 5.56mm is different than .223

    • @mattjack3983
      @mattjack3983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@vitolapinta this guy was a total clown. He barely even knows anything about firearms. The fact that he genuinely had no idea whatsoever that a .223 caliber round is a VERY COMMON round used by hunters really showcases his lack of knowledge and ignorance.

    • @bechelerroseme6821
      @bechelerroseme6821 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The clown is never been a life and death situation. First of all CDC IS CORRUPT, THEY'RE KNOWN TO CORROBORATE with Criminal Fauci Bribed Patent Department to patent Fauci's coronavirus and CDC have not been totally honest about the pandemic. The system is corrupt and this guy Rosenthal is a clown.

  • @jesusvillanueva5437
    @jesusvillanueva5437 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Colion Noir you definitely won that debate! Thank you for having our backs!

  • @zanderbrandt1730
    @zanderbrandt1730 9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    "hey John, can you once again address the point that AR15s are not part of the vast majority of "everyday" gun deaths, such as suicide, black deaths, domestic violence etc?"
    John: " So anyway, back to 'mass shootings'...."
    Right there I tuned out, and this was a perfect example of why people don't even bother debating the other side.

  • @PosativaVibezz
    @PosativaVibezz 3 ปีที่แล้ว +308

    John: "Should the public own tanks?"
    Colion: "You can buy tanks in America"
    John: "Should the public own tanks?"
    Colion: "You can own tanks in America"
    John: "You think it's okay to own a tank?"
    Me: Well shit, I never seen someone be a victim of homicide by a retired tank 😬

    • @albertwells8393
      @albertwells8393 3 ปีที่แล้ว +26

      There is a place in Texas where you can drive AND shoot tanks.

    • @michaelb2547
      @michaelb2547 3 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I would have said yes, because as you so fervently brought up my government v that has tanks, b52 and nuclear bombs might try to come round me up like the nazis did to jews in Europe.

    • @docbailey3265
      @docbailey3265 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      They can take my T-34 when they pry my cold dead body out of the tank.

    • @raymondruiz5188
      @raymondruiz5188 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In the 90s that guy went crazy in san Diego with a tank you can probably find the video

    • @PH_INFO_101
      @PH_INFO_101 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@raymondruiz5188 nobody was killed or injured during this incident, except for Shawn Nelson who was driving the tank

  • @youbecha64
    @youbecha64 3 ปีที่แล้ว +288

    When John Rosenthal 'quoted' the 2nd amendment...he left out this pretty important part... " the right of the people" which had been determined as an individual right, not a collective right.

    • @chuckcpass
      @chuckcpass 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I just noticed that too.

    • @Void304
      @Void304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +18

      Yes. An INDIVIDUAL right. The people who wrote the Amendment had just finished fighting a war that came to blows because their enemy tried to DISARM THEM. Why would they word their own constitution to only provide the GOVERNMENT with arms?

    • @krotchlickmeugh627
      @krotchlickmeugh627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      How did no one but three people notice that!

    • @edwatts9890
      @edwatts9890 3 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      @@krotchlickmeugh627: I would wager that a whole lot more than three people noticed.

    • @LEP021085
      @LEP021085 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      I’ve broken the 2nd amendment down so many times for people to understand it’s mind numbing.

  • @patberry7711
    @patberry7711 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    What I can’t understand is why John used the SandyHook school shooting incident in his example. I was and am still sickened by the shooting but he keeps alluding to this crime as a means to his reasoning. Fact of the matter is the SandyHook shooters Mother bought him the firearm knowing he was not of sound mind. That is the reason children died that day. We definitely have a gun violence problem in America but we’ve got a Much Much bigger parenting problem in America which in most cases is the root cause of a lot of our problems.

  • @onsturn
    @onsturn 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You don’t need an AR15 until you need an AR15.

  • @chikkenbonz
    @chikkenbonz ปีที่แล้ว +409

    Man that wasn't even fair. Colion was having an intellectual debate with an unarmed opponent.

    • @jasonmacneil2256
      @jasonmacneil2256 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      🤣

    • @quartqwertbudisgood
      @quartqwertbudisgood ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Cops don’t cart AR15s bahahahahahhahahaha so many cops have ARs in their cars

    • @cjwessels8612
      @cjwessels8612 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@quartqwertbudisgood this comment has nothing to do with what you are talking about lol

    • @haydenlanning5674
      @haydenlanning5674 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      It was John's right to arm himself. It was his mistake that he didn't. He'll probably propose some kind of intellectual disarmament bill. "How could your level of education combat government intelligence??? Why do you need to be literate."

    • @geraldmantanona6116
      @geraldmantanona6116 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Colion versus this guy in this debate is like Explaining astrophysics to a whino.

  • @karlchristie1856
    @karlchristie1856 3 ปีที่แล้ว +549

    John, who “hunts:” You’d eat a dear shot by a .223?!?!?
    Colion: Uh… yeah?…
    This right here says it all.
    Colion I’m sorry you were put through that cringe fest.

    • @nickmeyring7888
      @nickmeyring7888 3 ปีที่แล้ว +25

      that was Hilarious

    • @chris.3711
      @chris.3711 3 ปีที่แล้ว +51

      Boy, should I tell him that I hunt with a .270 and .308?

    • @brianpartlow5530
      @brianpartlow5530 3 ปีที่แล้ว +55

      He thinks that little 223 round explodes like a nuke because it's fired from a "military style" rifle.

    • @sanangelo7926
      @sanangelo7926 3 ปีที่แล้ว +35

      These people somehow think that the 223 is some sort of magical round they doesn’t follow the laws of physics and causes what ever it hits to disintegrate.

    • @tinkhama1088
      @tinkhama1088 3 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      Well he’s more than likely unable to place a good shoot and is probably use to tearing up a front shoulder or back strap. He is also the guy that probably doesn’t know how to ethically harvest a deer and then pays some one to process for him, just an opinion.

  • @wr3nche5
    @wr3nche5 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the main problem i see here is this: anti-gunners are basically always ignoring the idea of tackling mental health and/or poverty problems INSTEAD of the guns themselves. they turn a deaf ear to it. being a person that suffers from depressive episodes, it's sickening that they don't seem to care about improving their citizens' psychological well-being.
    because over 60% of gun deaths are self-unalives (and "mass shootings" are almost always related to mental health or poverty), if they just put their time and resources into improving mental health and living conditions across the country, which NO ONE would be against btw, they'd be achieving the same goal that they say they want to; reducing the amount of gun-related deaths, but WITHOUT restricting/taking away these tools we have a right to own, and also helping the general population as a whole

    • @wr3nche5
      @wr3nche5 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@handsometall28 unfortunately true. they could still spread awareness of it instead of going after our firearms, though. i feel like that would be a better use of their time, cuz, like i said, no one is going to fight against it
      edit: also, i forgot, but the main reason why i was upset over it is because they act like guns are the real problem, when it's actually the underlying health issues that cause these people to use guns in these ways. THAT was what i meant, i forgot

  • @mikeperez2623
    @mikeperez2623 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Off of his logic, California and New York, should have the least amount of crime throughout the whole world but yet California, New York, have the highest crime rating. How does the universal background check, 10 day waiting period, 10 round Magazine capacity, and all these features you have to have on AR 15 to own one prevent crime?

    • @handsometall28
      @handsometall28 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Because guns come from neighboring states with loose gun laws; if you ban guns nationally and go after ALL guns you see gun violence drop; probably would take a decade or so though.

  • @mik4209
    @mik4209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +653

    How about more people carrying. It works, it prevents more than it fails.

    • @n3r0wolfe
      @n3r0wolfe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +76

      its funny, to me, since ive started open carrying i havent had a single person get in my face (when i lived in cali people got in my face for no reason all the time)
      an armed society is a polite society
      (btw i live in az now, again and finally)

    • @mik4209
      @mik4209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@n3r0wolfe wow that’s weird, I’d think Cali ppl would be laid back.

    • @n3r0wolfe
      @n3r0wolfe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +21

      @@mik4209 it depends really.. all my friends are chill, most randos are chill.. but the road rage is so baaad, assholes are everywhere... they need more weed :D

    • @mik4209
      @mik4209 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@n3r0wolfe no THC for the, put em on strict CBD to calm their asses down.

    • @krotchlickmeugh627
      @krotchlickmeugh627 3 ปีที่แล้ว +40

      @@mik4209 california is one of the most dangerous states to live in.
      In almost every way.
      Rampant mental health and homless people roming the streets with no legal recourse for their actions.
      I bought a legal A.K. in 2016 and the very next year i became a felon for owning it. So for gun owners its hell.
      I had a hand gun stolen from me out of my truck and was arrested for "not storing it properly" even tho it was to the t and thats why my case was dropped.
      The "normal" people here are so uneducated neo fascist liberals that they have voted their way to the point where it costs me $1,500 a year to register my truck with the dmv.
      The average californian pays $847 in state taxes a year.
      Dirt bikes are now illegal.
      You have the fear of being prosecuted for the most absurd things. But if someone literally robs you at gun point if they even get caught they will be out before you make it back home.
      Rad flag laws are used by the police here like its the only law they can use or enforce.
      I was speeding 10mph over and was pulled over.
      The cop said i was doing 90 in a 55 and was doing me a favor by marking it down to 85mph.
      I took it to trial, lost and had to pay $1,800.
      Why would your average californian be laid back when were being extorted by the state to the degree that we cannot leave.

  • @DustinSilva
    @DustinSilva 2 ปีที่แล้ว +354

    This didnt age well...Just today, Smith & Wesson announced its plans to relocate their Massachusetts gun manufacturing facility to Tennessee, purely because Mass's gun laws are too strict.

    • @slypperyfox
      @slypperyfox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      What took them so long? Many gun manufacturers and accessories manufacturers (think MagPul) began moving to gun friendly states 5-10 years ago.

    • @asphaltannihilator157
      @asphaltannihilator157 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Should have saved on moving costs and came up here to NH to join Ruger and Sig.

    • @Devildogs1775
      @Devildogs1775 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      SO DID GLOCKSTORE

    • @Devildogs1775
      @Devildogs1775 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      GLOCKSTORE LEFT CALIFORNIA TO TENNESSEE

    • @moreforme74
      @moreforme74 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@asphaltannihilator157 but it's colder up there.🥶

  • @stevecurran5206
    @stevecurran5206 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    John....ALL GUN LAWS ARE INFRINGEMENTS. the problem is not the guns, it's the people. solving the problem starts with admitting what the problem really is.

  • @TheATFcanSuckmyDicc
    @TheATFcanSuckmyDicc 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    18:02 bro just made that up. There are ZERO states that don’t require background checks. IT’s federal law that background checks are required to buy a firearm

  • @matthewbryant1276
    @matthewbryant1276 3 ปีที่แล้ว +354

    This was so predictable. Talking about his friends seeing their dead children is horrible debate point. It's horrific, but it doesn't change facts or statistics.

    • @meanman6992
      @meanman6992 3 ปีที่แล้ว +24

      Besides that, I’m moderately confident he doesn’t own the weapons he claimed to own, or ammo, which means if my suspicion is correct, he’s dishonest and just cares about pushing his agenda and is fine with lying to do so.

    • @jamescordes8673
      @jamescordes8673 3 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      @@meanman6992 he clearly has no idea the size of ammo and even used the word “clip”. He thinks a .223 bullet will just make people unrecognizable if they’re shot. He knows nothing of guns.
      I love the part he says “it makes it harder for law abiding” then stops himself cause clearly that’s what he wants.

    • @6P3-MK4
      @6P3-MK4 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      @@jamescordes8673 shotguns mame people way more than ANY other round could ever think of. I dont believe him when he says they had to identify victims by clothing at all with regards to 223/556. Another disingenuous issue. This ronsenthal fella is a flat out joke. I agree with you 100%

    • @thefreemasonspodcast
      @thefreemasonspodcast 3 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I’m from Connecticut, I bet that idiot didn’t know a single one of them

    • @ZeyphodZeyphod
      @ZeyphodZeyphod 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@meanman6992 Or that he was close buds with Antonin Scalia; and that he (Scalia) said the things he claimed he said to him.

  • @ThaTruKru
    @ThaTruKru 3 ปีที่แล้ว +253

    It’s sad that a lot of people wouldn’t be able to recognize how much of an ASS John Rosenthal just made of himself. A valiant effort on Colion’s part.

    • @97F1504RAD
      @97F1504RAD 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Moron comes to mind

    • @cobes11
      @cobes11 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You can buy a gun from a homeless person in a sec. Does John not know that?

    • @TzUuup
      @TzUuup 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      This guy straight did the matrix to dodge all those questions

    • @phoenixaries3147
      @phoenixaries3147 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@TzUuup when they asked him to define an 'assault weapon', and he just starts going off with "wHeN mY FrIEndS HaD t0 PicK tHrOUgH tHeiR DeAd ChIDreNS ClOthES t0 IdENtiFy tHe B0dY"
      That took the damn cake.
      Nothing tells people how devoid of a valid argument you are like standing on the graves of dead children and using their corpse as a shield from criticism.

  • @joshuakuntz3446
    @joshuakuntz3446 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lesson learned: don't debate a lawyer if you're not also a lawyer

  • @bethburrell8999
    @bethburrell8999 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Female mod is outstanding. Colion answers one question thoroughly, but John makes 8-9 points. Female mod then summarizes a point of his and passes it onto Colion.

  • @Dacarolinakrown
    @Dacarolinakrown 3 ปีที่แล้ว +204

    This man is literally in one of the smallest States in America and hes talking about how much their laws have affected gun deaths this is laughable

    • @HazardousT1
      @HazardousT1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      Being from MA myself I know he is lying or just ignorant to the actual reality of the statistics. In this podcast discussion the hosts even pull up actual statistics that he continues to ignore. MA isn't the "safest" state (commonwealth) in the union of the USA. Hell its far from it. Fall River, MA was in the top 5 of the worst cities across the USA at one point (can no longer find that article)

    • @HeathenHammer80
      @HeathenHammer80 3 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@HazardousT1 I live in southern NH. We all know that Mass. is far from as safe as that guy makes it out to be. NH has zero restrictions on the type of rifle you can buy and is a constitutional carry state, yet we have almost no gun crime. That being the case, I would like Mr. Rosenthal to explain why guns are the reason for violent crime

    • @jwedgest67
      @jwedgest67 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Not trying to bust your bubble but Massachusetts by population is the 16th largest State in the country, not to mention our 3rd most wealthiest State so land size means nothing. But his words are still garbage!!

    • @jasonwhitlock179
      @jasonwhitlock179 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HazardousT1 Fall River haha!! Try New Bedford they literally shot up a cops house and the chief covered it up..

    • @HazardousT1
      @HazardousT1 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@jasonwhitlock179 that entire section of Bristol County is absolutely garbage. I only referenced Fall River because it was in a legit census/official top ten worst cities in the USA before every news outlet decided to make their own top 10 worst cities based on their own beliefs.

  • @8446823
    @8446823 2 ปีที่แล้ว +277

    John: "wHeRe'S tHe LoGIc?" Then proceeds to use a pure emotional argument

    • @hole-sawbear1500
      @hole-sawbear1500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      oh man, he does that throughout the debate. when he was asked to define an assault weapon he just started spouting off about dead kids.

    • @zachdugan7320
      @zachdugan7320 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      As George Orwell pointed out, we can observe a push for all words to be dumbed-down to mean little more than being synonyms for "good" and "bad".
      The man clearly doesn't even know what logic is, let alone understand it to the point he can construct an argument from it.

    • @mrrobott9202
      @mrrobott9202 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Dud talks ab 556 and 223 like it's a 50cal lol " and do u eat the meat " like there's nothing left after shooting it with a 223 lol literally leaves the smallest hole some animals you shoot with it you can't even tell where the impact is at lol

    • @anthonycavalea
      @anthonycavalea 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      All he does is bring in emotions.

    • @ka0skontrol504
      @ka0skontrol504 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@mrrobott9202 I use it for hog hunting and I have to use AP rounds just to get through the hide for a clean kill shot 🤣
      Also, he's so worried about the AR-15 that he doesn't even think about the AR-10 which can be built out in 308 or 6.5. Those will do more damage. Apparently, he failed math class and physics 🤭

  • @joshualebovitz
    @joshualebovitz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Rosenthal lost all credibility when he stated that he not only owns a firearm, but own an AR-15.
    Hypocrisy at its finest.

  • @TheDirtyyoungman1
    @TheDirtyyoungman1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thank you, Colion. PLEASE keep doing what you do.

  • @Void304
    @Void304 3 ปีที่แล้ว +523

    "I support the Second Amendment, BUT..."
    They always, ALWAYS start their bullshit the same way.

    • @Mr.Rogers91
      @Mr.Rogers91 3 ปีที่แล้ว +30

      The other one that irritates me..... I'm a lifetime member of the NRA but..... anything after that sounds like gibberish.

    • @n3r0wolfe
      @n3r0wolfe 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      everything said before the word 'but' doenst mean anything

    • @DavidBrown-qh5cr
      @DavidBrown-qh5cr 3 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      "No offense...... BUT"

    • @nathanhamberg6733
      @nathanhamberg6733 3 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      or they talk about hunting or constantly saying that the AR-15 is a military weapon when people start with that there argument is done because they do not know what they are talking about

    • @revike004
      @revike004 3 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      How can YOU compare a civilian AR-15 to the Vegas shooting senerio? Talk, TALK .TALK. MAKES NO SENSE !

  • @jeffro1643
    @jeffro1643 2 ปีที่แล้ว +368

    So, if the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to modern firearms, why does the 1st amendment apply to television and the internet? 🤔

    • @wethepeople2933
      @wethepeople2933 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      BeCaUsE a TeLeViSiOn CaN LaUnCh iNfOrMaTiOn FaStEr!!!!

    • @jasonisfamous6544
      @jasonisfamous6544 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Cause they are private platforms?

    • @Ellis1993
      @Ellis1993 2 ปีที่แล้ว +15

      @@jasonisfamous6544 any platform public and private must adhere to the constitution

    • @ICantBelieveItsButters
      @ICantBelieveItsButters 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      you have to be careful making that argument because the left is looking for any reason to tear down and rewrite the constitution because it is "old" and "dated". If the left can trip you into saying things like "why does the 1st apply to TV and internet?" and you are fueling their desire to change the 1st amendment also.
      Just like the left tripped the right into this whole "mental health" so they can backdoor your med records (Right to Privacy) "to see if you have a history of mental health issues" and then your right to due process of needing to actually commit a crime to be held accountable for doing one. Why did the left lean into Mental health so hard? because the right didn't have enough foresight to realize the play wasn't to advocate for better mental health services (nothing has been done to remove negative perspectives of mental heath issues, and getting mental health services hasn't been made easier.) In fact, its been harder to get help and IF you do get help, you are instantly looked at as a threat to society because you may "pop off".
      The biggest reason for the left not just attacking gun and decoying people onto mental health? it also throws people off of the trail of the real societal problems.
      Studies on studies have been conducted and researched to show that 2 parent houses with a father and mother are less likely to have anxious children, less likely to have children that get into crime, more likely to graduate, more likely to be kind etc etc etc. Society is doing its best to paint men as "toxic" yet numerous studies show and support that FATHERS are where their children learn EMPATHY... let that sink in. Removing fathers from homes has removed EMPATHY, has increased mental problems, increased crime, reduced educated children and the list goes on. Why decoy to mental health? Because it removes the lefts responsibility to fix the problem they created by attacking the nuclear family AND it lines the pockets of BIG PHARMA (and politicians) by pushing drugs... It also infringes on your right to speech, right to guns, right to privacy and right to due process.
      To many are focused on the little picture of "but keeping guns from mentally unstable will save lives" and not realize they are advocating for removal of natural rights.

    • @kool4209
      @kool4209 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ellis1993 except for the govt.

  • @chrismasi8967
    @chrismasi8967 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This man has no idea how easy it is for a criminal to get a gun.

  • @JJ-iu5hl
    @JJ-iu5hl 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The "hunting with a 223" argument this guy tried to pull is hilarious. It blows my mind how ignorant that point is.
    I'm a hunter, so let me explain:
    In my state (Indiana), it is illegal to hunt a deer with a bullet smaller than a .243" in diameter. Therfore, a .223" inch bullet is too small. The reason is because the DNR don't want people wounding deer, which a smaller bullet is more likely to do.
    So .243" is the smallest anyone can use, but most opt for a bigger round such as a .308" bullet, which is usually fired out of a 308, 30-06, or even 300 win mag.
    The following are an approximate energy rating for each of these calibers. Energy is an oft-used metric of how "powerful" a round is. Units will be in ft-lbs.
    .223: 1,200
    .243: 2,000
    .308: 2,700
    30-06: 3,000
    300: 3,600
    So in other words, this guy is an idiot.

  • @boyden1620
    @boyden1620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +633

    That guy gave me an aneurysm because half the time he wasn’t even answering the questions directed towards him. Amazing job Colion

    • @yoellopez82
      @yoellopez82 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      And was talking in slow motion which is annoying. He probably thinks it makes him sound smart.

    • @gutterfalcon2912
      @gutterfalcon2912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      And after Colion explained the term assault rifle , the other guy kept calling Semi's Assault Rifles.
      An Assault Rifle is : Select Fire , Full Auto Capable . And you CAN Hunt with them in Many States. ( SEMI's ) .

    • @wisconsinite131
      @wisconsinite131 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Same way I felt.

    • @tonycole9620
      @tonycole9620 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      John completely talked around most of Colin’s points. He had no answer for the national registry and for universal license.

    • @mattjack3983
      @mattjack3983 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@gutterfalcon2912 yep..alot of people actually DO hunt with them. AR style rifles are actually fairly popular amongst hunters.

  • @Mr.Solomon0
    @Mr.Solomon0 ปีที่แล้ว +335

    12:05 Damn, 23 years on this Earth. And I never realized it was legal to hunt humans with 30 round magazines. That's got to be the dumbest anti gun statement I've ever heard in my entire life.

    • @onpoint2292
      @onpoint2292 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That was one of many mask-off moments for John Rosenthal. He views the 2A as a privilege and wants to limit the gun-owning population as much as possible.
      He is too focused on tragic stories of people dying, and not considering the ramifications of limiting people's ability to defend themselves. The calls for more regulation after a mass shooting will never stop. The 2A community needs to stop ceding ground in an attempt to appease the emotions of grieving parents and victims. The more people have direct experience with guns and gun ownership, the less these BS emotional arguments work on people.
      The most effective solution is to encourage eligible citizens in our sphere of influence to own guns. Take them shooting with you. Educate them on Gun topics when it pops up in conversation. Take them hunting with you, if you're into that. Demystify the concept of normal, everyday people owning "assault weapons".

    • @mattseifert8061
      @mattseifert8061 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      I love how he says it with confidence too.. he says "where's the logic." I'm thinking, where's the logic with that statement.😂😂 I'm very surprised colion didn't call him out on that stupidity..

    • @onpoint2292
      @onpoint2292 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@mattseifert8061 he would have been accused of "interrupting". You've got to pick your battles in timed debates. If you address every single point of disagreement, it quickly turns into a "nuh uh - yuh huh" type of exchange.

    • @mattseifert8061
      @mattseifert8061 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@onpoint2292 you're right. It would have been very satisfying though. That dude literally said when he hunts humans he's not limited at all.. but in his mind, the correlation of hunting humans is illegal, therefore no new law is going to prevent someone from doing something horrible, somehow didn't connect in his head.. I'm almost lost for words I can't even wrap my head around something that stupid.

    • @RobinMasters-zx1uo
      @RobinMasters-zx1uo 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@mattseifert8061 it would be a distraction; like focussing on someone taking a pawn in chess rather than focusing on protecting the king. But great point on the appeal to logic.

  • @Sydewinder86
    @Sydewinder86 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "I can't be anti-gun, I own a gun" is the same argument as "I can't be racist, I have a black friend!"

  • @andrewcharles6489
    @andrewcharles6489 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That guy was extremely disingenuous and argued from emotion. Look at how he doesn’t define an assault weapon and chooses the emotional response.

  • @ricecakes6688
    @ricecakes6688 3 ปีที่แล้ว +331

    Most people see through John’s arguments, this is why people have purchased more firearms than ever before.

    • @dustinperkins9886
      @dustinperkins9886 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      His mask slipped when he started to say he wanted his laws to apply somewhere else that he's never been

    • @jasonkome9734
      @jasonkome9734 3 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      What a joke this guy is. Talking out the side of his face.

    • @manictiger
      @manictiger 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      It always puzzles me when minorities like "Rosenthal" align against their own interests. Maybe call me a warmonger, but I'd rather go out with guns blazing, than in some damn ext3rm1n4tion camp. Or did "Rosenthal" forget that part of history? Maybe he thinks the U.S. is immune to devolving into that kind of leadership. Maybe he's a fool.

    • @enarandyr9122
      @enarandyr9122 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And more democrats than ever before? They lost this argument years ago.

    • @ML-ks2lj
      @ML-ks2lj 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      He trys to hit heart strings and play the "knee jerker" and run off emotions. He is narcissistic and manipulative, just like 99 percent of the politicians out there.

  • @LeviTimko
    @LeviTimko ปีที่แล้ว +402

    Colion Noir deserves the biggest platform and microphone to spread his message. He's hyper effective at debunking half-baked superficial ideas all while being eloquent and respectful.

    • @handsometall28
      @handsometall28 ปีที่แล้ว

      Colion only makes sense for gun nuts, not educated and open-minded people.

    • @Domericano223
      @Domericano223 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He was on joe Rogan lol

    • @BrowncoatGofAZ
      @BrowncoatGofAZ ปีที่แล้ว

      I have nothing against the second amendment: I just want my son to be safe at school.

    • @dr.mantistoboggan1897
      @dr.mantistoboggan1897 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@BrowncoatGofAZ we need to root out the bad apples in society. We know who they are, they stick out like sore thumbs. Its just a matter of how dedicated we are to investigate and prosecute.

    • @itzcaleb1776
      @itzcaleb1776 ปีที่แล้ว

      I disagree he wasnt even able to put his arguement in the oven yet

  • @donaldengel4128
    @donaldengel4128 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Did anyone else catch Rosenthal omitting the words "of the people" from his quoting of the 2A? lol

  • @guitarlearningtoplay
    @guitarlearningtoplay หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    NOT TRUE. It you create a law that prevent ownership of semi-automatic weapons they can’t obtain it legally like you said!

  • @bradyhill2136
    @bradyhill2136 2 ปีที่แล้ว +489

    The fact he tried to argue that cops don’t carry ar-15s is insane. Most of the cops in my area have one in their vehicle some even have a shotgun too.

    • @riftwake178
      @riftwake178 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      They often have select fire M4's too, which are arguably better, lighter, and more effective than AR-15's.

    • @wyattguilliams9479
      @wyattguilliams9479 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      I thought that was standard and the type was personal choice
      Hell what happened to SWAT???

    • @isaacgaray3926
      @isaacgaray3926 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      Your completely correct my friend I’m a cop and I damn sure carry an AR everyday. And you should too 👍🇺🇸

    • @bluezeroeight2307
      @bluezeroeight2307 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      My dad carried one back in his duty days. I even got to shoot it, I can’t believe this was said

    • @devonmarr9872
      @devonmarr9872 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

      Also the AR-15 is not used by the military.
      "I don't want to ban guns except for the ones I don't like."

  • @original0c
    @original0c 3 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    He said "when you hunt humans." We're not hunting humans, we're defending ourselves from humans.

    • @OutlawRemy86
      @OutlawRemy86 3 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      Yeah, that made me physically pause when he said that.

    • @towakin7718
      @towakin7718 3 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Nono, it is important that when four people come to kill you and do unspeakable things to the women in your house, you only kill a maximum of three of them. After all we have to be careful the population of criminals will not be endangered. Also make sure it's criminal hunting season or you'll get a fine...

    • @erikjimenez5851
      @erikjimenez5851 3 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I laughed internally when he said that
      "You can have large magazines to hunt people!!" and I'm like... hunting people isn't legal though lmao

    • @mavhunter8753
      @mavhunter8753 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      John understand the power of words. This is the same reason he calls his org “stop handgun violence”.

    • @kennethmarkwith4678
      @kennethmarkwith4678 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, what an insane statement. This John guy is an idiot. What I thought when said that was 'it's kind of already illegal to do that buddy'....

  • @pagefault404
    @pagefault404 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Sell your guns or go to jail"
    Sorry, I lost my guns in a boating accident.

  • @_JC3_
    @_JC3_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That was terrifying…. The man just described what an “assault weapon” is by appealing to horrific bloodshed of children. That is not a definition. You cannot say “I want to ban assault weapons” but refuse to answer the question “what is an assault weapon?”