Heated Gun Debate Between Colion Noir & Co-Founder of Gun Control Organization
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Pro 2A Advocate, Colion Noir, Gets in a Heated debate with John E Rosenthal, the Co-Founder of a Gun Control organization, Stop Handgun Violence.
John E Rosenthal: Is chairman of Stop Handgun Violence that supports Banning the most popular and commonly owned rifle in the country the AR-15, Magazine Capacity limitations, Background checks on Private Gun Sells, Taking Peoples Guns Without Due Process known as Red Flag Laws, and Other Gun Controls. (SHV) was the lead advocacy organization for the Massachusetts Gun Control Acts of 1998 and 2014.
Colion Noir: Is a Lawyer & 2A advocate that creates content that conveys complex arguments perpetuating the ideals of our constitutional rights in America regarding the 2nd amendment in a way that makes them simple and entertaining.
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Honestly, this wasn't a debate. It was Colion trying to discuss and debate, and John doing mental gymnastics to support his untenable views.
Exactly.
John could not answer a single question and had to try to end-round it every time. It was never an answer, it was, "So you want..." He couldn't stop straw-manning!
As they do Verbal Judo, Mental Gymnastics...this guys are MMA of logic system, but this guy is worst than McGregor fails on his own logic.
His responses reminded me of how the guys who get caught wearing fake military uniforms react when they get called out on their inconsistencies. Grasping at straws trying to sound authoritative while having a complete lack of the fundamental knowledge required to do so. Unfortunately, as these clowns in uniform fool many people, so to will this idiot claiming to be "pro second amendment" while in the next breath saying that women should be banned from owning the most accurate and easy to aim home defense weapon (AR 15).
Fudds usually live like that.
When he said there’s a 5 rd limit for deer and 3 for duck, there is no limit for people. Yes there is… the limit is zero. You’re not allowed by law to hunt humans…
Facts
this comment is underrated
True, and if someone is trying to kill me why would I limit myself on ammo? Hold on bad guy, you only have 10!? Let me unload 20 of mine. Now it's fair🤣
Hahahaha! Nice.
If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck. - John Steinbeck
His arguments revolve around how many rounds police etc have which indicates some type of fairness debate.
As a cop we don’t carry 13 round mags. My pistol has a 20 round extended. My Service rifle has 30 rounders plus 50 round drums. 🤷🏻♂️
There's no doubt that guy will never again agree to debate a 2A advocate who knows what he's talking about.
Don't underestimate stupid people. He came away strutting thinking that he convinced every listener that he a genius.
To be honest... most people who debate on the side of 2a are actually way better informed than those on the anti-2a side. Not just because they support guns... but they can actually form arguments on the fly backed by facts with proper terminology. The other side regurgitates talking points with poor or flat out false information and an inability to understand the terminology they use.
John Rosenthal answered exactly 0 questions, while also contradicting himself.
I agree.
He taught me today that .223 rounds are the ones'what tumble ... hahaha.
Just like Biden
All Dems are commies bro listen to what he says
@@potterj09 yea he obviously has no idea what he’s talking about I think 223 is small honestly and military weapons are automatic weapons amazing how he can start an anti gun organization and have no idea about guns
The biggest fundamental difference is one side has 100% faith in the government to never do evil and the other side does not.
And that the latter side has faith that guns are an effective form of protection from said government
Bingo!
@@mcbean1 It worked for the people of Vietnam and Afghanistan.
@@bulrydrdan well seeing what wonderful places those are I have to really question your understanding of the word "worked"
@@mcbean1 It doesn't have to be your utopia to answer the question that gun protected themselves from said Government. See I lived in the real world for 50+ yrs and all over this world. While you have lived where? So my understanding of the real world may be differant than your understanding of a small portion of it.
John is using the debate tactic known as “if I ramble on for minutes at a time while making countless different points he’ll forget to destroy every single one of them.”
It’s called a gish gallop. Very common in politics and little kids.
He forgot to make points though💀
@@AnxietyAttack.Thank you for teaching me a new term.
A friend I used to talk to did this all the time about any topic. Just stopped talking to them one day.
THAT was the exact post which I just made: Dump do many arguments onto the table that your opponent cannot address them individually, and the sheer volume of arguments - irrespective of how weak they are - will hang in the air. Glad you picked up on that. That is the result of poor moderating.
"I LET YOU SPEAK." while never actually letting him speak.
ah yes, the american politician…
Was just about to comment this. He tried to bulldoze the conversation.
I think everybody who's a 2A advocate in this comment section needs to take a moment to really be thankful for colion noir and the fact that he is eloquent enough to put people like this in their place and make them look as dumb as they really are, I personally thank you colion we need more men like you in this cause
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He is a great man! We should also support the authors, like John Lott and John Grit, who support the human right to own and carry guns. Beyond that, they support freedom itself.
Colion is always on point. John however is the epitome of his side. He obviously has no education on guns, "all the tissue damage the 223 does" ??? Sorry, go get educated before attempting to have a conversation on the topic!
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Well said!
“Police only have pistols with 13-15 rounds as their service gun.”
More often than not police officers have an AR-15 in their patrol car rather than a shotgun.
I’ve never seen a cop NOT have an AR in their patrol car
Exactly!
@@Urmom-mm6dk some agencies that have less funding usually still have cops carrying shotguns. I also know of agencies that require extra training for police officers to be able to carry an AR-15 instead of a shotgun. But yeah AR-15s are carried by a lot of police officers nowadays so this John guy is very misinformed.
@@Urmom-mm6dk most agencies in MA have ARs in their cruisers along with patrol rifle quals in the academy
Let's not forget that LEOs are not subject to any of the firearms laws in Massachusetts. They can buy any capacity magazine and any firearm they would like for their own personal use. And even if they quit / retire they are allowed to keep them because Ma doesn't outlaw owning these things, just the purchase. If I can pass a background check to buy a weapon then you're already trusting I won't use it to commit a crime so why put an arbitrary limit on what I can own at that point?
The anti guy became unhinged way too quickly. Everyone was having a great conversation, but he quickly turned to "I let you speak, now let me speak." Colion wasn't trying to cut him off, he was just attempting to have an actual dialogue.
This is exactly the kind of person I worry about. "Rights for me, but not for thee."
That was very weird to me too.. The conversation was smooth and going well, plenty of common ground found then there was a cut in the audio. Now all of a sudden this dude was incredibly heated for whatever reason? I don't agree with the guy's stance on guns but that's sus asf
They are not logical nor fact based people, and allow their emotions to rule their mind, so no surprises there.
Notice how emotional certain types get in normal discussions once their arguments fall flat
He sounds like a guy just spouting random things that his echo chamber normally agrees with
He's the type to hire armed guards and at the same time take arms from people that can't afford to do that.
I think it's funny that John is surprised by the fact that Colion uses a .223 round to hunt and then eat the meat when most hunters probably use a .30-06 round to hunt which is a substantially larger caliber, which was also a caliber of war.
Dude really said it would shred all the meat in the animal 😂
exactly what I was thinking, John probably uses .308 or .30-06
@@LittleGreyWolfForgeprolly got that one from Joy Behar and the rest of The View(less) 😂. But can’t rule out 7.62 either. Pretty sure that would be decent for hunting 😋
@@LittleGreyWolfForgedude hasn’t hunted in his life. Its always the people with zero experience making these baseless arguments
@@AnxietyAttack. Fr.
John is making every stupid argument we always hear. He doesn’t sound additionally educated on it compared to your average anti gun nut. He became frustrated with colion quickly and contradicted himself many times. He needs to pick a new cause because he’s not good at fighting for this one.
I was thinking the exact same thing and you beat me to it lol. Yeah john is just pounding out the same anti-gun tropes we've all heard a million times. He's uninformed, out of touch and falls back on worn out defense mechanisms instead of presenting a valid argument.
How about controlling drugs in Massachusetts? Death from guns 3.4/100,000. Deaths from drugs 31.8/100,000. Check the CDC!!! He is not worried about safety, he is worried about CONTROL!!!
@@kokonanana1 very good point, and I'd bet that drugs are involved (if not the direct cause) in most of the gun deaths as well, in a myriad of ways.
Logical fallacies abound! This man John is an incredulous hypocrite.
He does it because he knows how to get rich doing it.
Rosenthal: " I don't need an AR-15"
Patriots: It's called a "Bill of Rights", not a "Bill of Needs"
Then he says he owns a Daniel defense 5.56. Hypocrite!
I love this lol
@@billgoobinhoffer4705 it’s different he has money
For these people if you got enough money you can own anything
Then why does he have one?
when Rosenthal says you dont need an AR.
That is why i will buy TWO Ar
This is why anti-gunners refuse to argue with you. They know they're wrong and are genuinely malicious when it comes to having a debate.
I don't own a single assault weapon . Every firearm i own is a defense firearm!
“I’m pro 2nd amendment but” -conversation over.
Im not racist but...
No the conversation shouldn’t be over. That mindset is why you have these problems. Do you see Colion ending the conversation when he does that? No! You may make a point that resonates with them after that conversation is long done and over with and just like now, more people may here it and be able to learn from it...
Stop treating your individual values as higher than mighty when it is your responsibility to have that conversation even with the worst of them.
@@xGuns0fHonorX1 I agree with you.
Agreed!!
@@xGuns0fHonorX1 we have absolutely ZERO business to do with anti-2nd amendment traitors.
The most they will ever get from us, is a laid out “MOLON LABEN” and that’s it.
I love watching these from the UK, where we banned all guns for self defence yet gun crime is on the rise. Don’t give up your rights and freedoms to these monsters
Howdy from Texas. They aint takin anything from anyone. The second they start a door to door program the free men of America will rise up.
not to mention crimes with knives and other objects. And 60% hot home invasion because criminals don't worry about armed home owners.
Thank you.
No kidding like when they took the handguns from Australia crime went up and again when they had their BuyBacks for all long guns the home-invasion robberies increased tenfold!
I recently saw a 2018 article about a knife terrorist (Jihadist) in London... immediately the "bobbies" armed up with their AR's and patrolled the subways. They literally looked military, far more than US police. Of course, nobody was there to save the people knifed to death.
The historical application of "militia" has NEVER been as "national guard".
Colion answered every question directly. John sidestepped every question by focusing on his narrative. Mr. Noir did outstanding 👏
The ‘I’m not anti-gun, I have a gun at home’ excuse is the equivalent to ‘I’m not racist, I have a black friend’
I bet his gun, if he even really has one, is still in it's case locked away in closet somewhere. I wouldn't be surprised if he bought one just for the talking point.
Well realistically he isn't anti-gun he's really just against we plebs having them. I guarantee that he and his elitists buddies feel like they are much more mature and responsible than all the people arguing against them gatekeeping our Constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms. I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that this is the kind of guy that refers to Jan 6th as "The Insurrection". So he is FAR worse than the Anti-Gun people who have been lied to so much by these gutter snakes that they are irrationally terrified of guns. They are just misguided but this SOB and all those like him are DANGEROUS.
Lol...that's priceless lol
It's straight up "I don't walk around carrying a gun I have the help carry them why don't you?"
@@QueerArmorer…what?
For someone who runs “stop handgun violence,” he sure does talk a lot about rifles.
Colion said it best in his foreword, that he's nothing more than an anti-gun or gun control shill, regardless of how many or what firearms he owns.
The left ALWAYS contradicts themselves. I'm sure he also thinks a toddler isn't a full person either. They're literally all a walking joke.
When he described the "devastation" caused by a .223 round, and questioned the ability to consume game taken with that round, it threw his credentials/credibility as a gun owner right out the window. Owning firearms out of convenience to bolster your point, as if to say, "Hey I'm one of you guys, I got the inside scoop" is so disingenuous.
@@hmanontario In CN's comical libtard voice, "OMG, it like, turned it into venison shrapnel!!"
@@kayp.3832 what's crazy is for the most part I'm a Democrat but believe the 2A is one of the most important ammendment. I stand on both sides depending on the subject but I strongly believe that the 2A shall not be infringed
To buy a gun legally everyone goes through a NCIS Background check from an F.F.L. Dealer!
Can you give me a definition of "assault weapon"? Proceeds to give an emotional response to the loss of human life by an AR-15. That's not a definition!
Then proceeds to completely misunderstand how powerful the .223 round is.
"You eat what you hunt with a .223!?"
"...Why wouldn't I?"
I think it's ridiculous that John keeps dodging every question. Props to Colion for being the only one who gave straight answers
Not just that, John's clueless, about the meaning, of the CONSTITUTION and he's a LIAR, his info is nonsense, wherever, it came from.🤔😒
Seems like no matter what the question is, he just repeats his talking points. And, did he really, seriously quote the cdc?🤦♀️
Notice john isn't a politician. That's why he answered the real questions.
when you dodge questions... YOU ARE DODGEY !!!
John is a typical Boston Liberal, and as I live in Boston, I have seen the huge billboard he has been responsible for for years, right facing the Mass Turnpike at Fenway Park. On this billboard he has posted every virtue-signalling leftist cause you can think of. The current anti-gun campaign is just the latest.
He claims to be a "gun owner" He claims to be "a proud owner of a Daniel Defense 5.56 and thousands of rounds of ammunition". He claims to be a "hunter". I will bet my house to a jelly donut that this Boston liberal has never owned a gun in his life, probably never even touched one. He would be ostracized by his circle of Cambridge liberals if he did. This is merely a debating tactic and it does not fly by me.
So, if the 2nd amendment doesn't apply to modern firearms, why does the 1st amendment apply to television and the internet? 🤔
BeCaUsE a TeLeViSiOn CaN LaUnCh iNfOrMaTiOn FaStEr!!!!
Cause they are private platforms?
@@jasonisfamous6544 any platform public and private must adhere to the constitution
you have to be careful making that argument because the left is looking for any reason to tear down and rewrite the constitution because it is "old" and "dated". If the left can trip you into saying things like "why does the 1st apply to TV and internet?" and you are fueling their desire to change the 1st amendment also.
Just like the left tripped the right into this whole "mental health" so they can backdoor your med records (Right to Privacy) "to see if you have a history of mental health issues" and then your right to due process of needing to actually commit a crime to be held accountable for doing one. Why did the left lean into Mental health so hard? because the right didn't have enough foresight to realize the play wasn't to advocate for better mental health services (nothing has been done to remove negative perspectives of mental heath issues, and getting mental health services hasn't been made easier.) In fact, its been harder to get help and IF you do get help, you are instantly looked at as a threat to society because you may "pop off".
The biggest reason for the left not just attacking gun and decoying people onto mental health? it also throws people off of the trail of the real societal problems.
Studies on studies have been conducted and researched to show that 2 parent houses with a father and mother are less likely to have anxious children, less likely to have children that get into crime, more likely to graduate, more likely to be kind etc etc etc. Society is doing its best to paint men as "toxic" yet numerous studies show and support that FATHERS are where their children learn EMPATHY... let that sink in. Removing fathers from homes has removed EMPATHY, has increased mental problems, increased crime, reduced educated children and the list goes on. Why decoy to mental health? Because it removes the lefts responsibility to fix the problem they created by attacking the nuclear family AND it lines the pockets of BIG PHARMA (and politicians) by pushing drugs... It also infringes on your right to speech, right to guns, right to privacy and right to due process.
To many are focused on the little picture of "but keeping guns from mentally unstable will save lives" and not realize they are advocating for removal of natural rights.
@@Ellis1993 except for the govt.
Apparently I need to move, I’ve lived in 3 states, never bought a firearm without getting a background check. Didn’t even know it was possible.
I love how John felt so entitled to talk without giving you a chance to respond. This happens on every debate I see. That’s not a debate.
I'm reasonably certain it isn't legal to hunt humans with ANY size magazine.
When I heard him say it, I had to rewind the video a few times, I couldn't believe it.
12:15 if anyone is interested.
😭😭🤣🤣
Yeah, that was a dumb fucking thing for him to say. Equating hunting ducks with being a murderer of which you don't have to get a license for.
@@cliffyknight he pretends like any AR-15 owner is going down to the sheriff's office to apply for their murder license lmao what a moron
It's a damn good thing then that Communists aren't human.
Every gun control advocate starts off with “I own a gun too”, yet they want poor people to be defenseless
and then show they know NOTHING about guns. You can outgun cops. So what, then they better not try and choke me to death.
And yet they seem to believe that a 223 will do more damage to a human than a 300 Winchester Magnum.. This just proves their ignorance of firearms..
“Have a black friend” lol
@@williamcash231 My black friend has a white gun, while I have a black gun. We are equal.
Although my grips caught that michael jackson disease and are turning white slowly.
Or they have a .22
You’re a hero Colion. Thanks for being willing to speak the truth with respect.
The minute co founder said he’s a business man that told me all I needed to know .
This guy has literally no idea what he's talking about. Him owning guns is a terrifying thing, he is the type of person who should not own any weapons since he refuses to educate himself on them.
If I'm at the range and an instructor says "ok now put the ammunition magazine in the handle" I'm revoking his NRA instructor badge 😂
but but... the government has nukes and so you can't use an AR-15 against it... therefore you don't need one!
You guys are crazy. He taught me so much. Im ditching .223 and using 30.06 from now on. Im gonna have so much more usable meat. These squirrels are gonna be delicious.
He likely “owns” a gun in the same way most people have only the minimum $5 in a savings account.
He has a gun, unloaded, locked, in a double safe that has never been opened.
@@kemohere
Cannons are legal. And don’t even need a background check. Use them instead. You can fire golf balls, beer cans, or bowling balls. For about $300-$700. Less than a Glock.
And it saves time tenderizing squirrel meat.
"I support the 2nd Amendment" goes on to discuss how he would infringe upon it.
That's the new tag line from Anti-2a. I figured if you support 2A, you wouldn't need to declare it. If you don't support 2a, you would need to say it to help disarm the other side.
it's the same logic with "christians" who start out saying "i believe in God BUTTTTT" and then go on to describe a version of god in their mind who is okay with some sins 🙄
So if i meet a guy at a gun show and he sells me a firearm -illegally-without a background check, that’s “the gun show loophole.” Does that mean if I meet a guy at a Walmart parking lot and buy his gun-without a check-then it’s the o’l “Walmart lot loophole?”
We need more of these discussions
Colion: I win if I present a sound argument
John: I win if I don't let him speak
He really did cut him off a good 30 times but good forbid if Colion had a point to add to his stuff.
sums up not just this debate. but the entire gun debate as a whole
This didnt age well...Just today, Smith & Wesson announced its plans to relocate their Massachusetts gun manufacturing facility to Tennessee, purely because Mass's gun laws are too strict.
What took them so long? Many gun manufacturers and accessories manufacturers (think MagPul) began moving to gun friendly states 5-10 years ago.
Should have saved on moving costs and came up here to NH to join Ruger and Sig.
SO DID GLOCKSTORE
GLOCKSTORE LEFT CALIFORNIA TO TENNESSEE
@@asphaltannihilator157 but it's colder up there.🥶
Your billboard did nothing but add add a 250 foot eye sore. Genius.
This guy consistently saying he’s pro-2A and not for gun bans but says he wants to ban AR-15s is both the funniest and scariest thing about this entire debate. Also the fact that he said he owns one and admitted to the purpose of the 2nd Amendment and then claimed it would never happen.
Man that wasn't even fair. Colion was having an intellectual debate with an unarmed opponent.
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Cops don’t cart AR15s bahahahahahhahahaha so many cops have ARs in their cars
@@quartqwertbudisgood this comment has nothing to do with what you are talking about lol
It was John's right to arm himself. It was his mistake that he didn't. He'll probably propose some kind of intellectual disarmament bill. "How could your level of education combat government intelligence??? Why do you need to be literate."
Colion versus this guy in this debate is like Explaining astrophysics to a whino.
How about more people carrying. It works, it prevents more than it fails.
its funny, to me, since ive started open carrying i havent had a single person get in my face (when i lived in cali people got in my face for no reason all the time)
an armed society is a polite society
(btw i live in az now, again and finally)
@@n3r0wolfe wow that’s weird, I’d think Cali ppl would be laid back.
@@mik4209 it depends really.. all my friends are chill, most randos are chill.. but the road rage is so baaad, assholes are everywhere... they need more weed :D
@@n3r0wolfe no THC for the, put em on strict CBD to calm their asses down.
@@mik4209 california is one of the most dangerous states to live in.
In almost every way.
Rampant mental health and homless people roming the streets with no legal recourse for their actions.
I bought a legal A.K. in 2016 and the very next year i became a felon for owning it. So for gun owners its hell.
I had a hand gun stolen from me out of my truck and was arrested for "not storing it properly" even tho it was to the t and thats why my case was dropped.
The "normal" people here are so uneducated neo fascist liberals that they have voted their way to the point where it costs me $1,500 a year to register my truck with the dmv.
The average californian pays $847 in state taxes a year.
Dirt bikes are now illegal.
You have the fear of being prosecuted for the most absurd things. But if someone literally robs you at gun point if they even get caught they will be out before you make it back home.
Rad flag laws are used by the police here like its the only law they can use or enforce.
I was speeding 10mph over and was pulled over.
The cop said i was doing 90 in a 55 and was doing me a favor by marking it down to 85mph.
I took it to trial, lost and had to pay $1,800.
Why would your average californian be laid back when were being extorted by the state to the degree that we cannot leave.
Colion Noir you definitely won that debate! Thank you for having our backs!
Such a great video thank you!
No surprise, John didn't even quote the 2nd Amendment correctly-- he omitted "of the People" when reciting the 2nd Amendment! This was intentionally dishonest.
Ya beat me to it…
Of course he's being dishonest. He's trying to push an agenda down Colion's throat and Colion isn't having it. He's throwing it right back in John's face and John has no idea how to respond in a meaningful manner.
Being pro-2A and being a gun-control advocate is not possible. If a person truly understands the meaning/intent of the 2A they cannot be a gun-control advocate
I heard that, too. He purposely omitted “of the people “!
there are multiple founders with quotes specifying the militia was made up of ALL THE PEOPLE. the militia is anyone fit enough to fight and with the tools to do so
"John, can youdefine what an assault rifle is?"
John- "hold on, let me stand on these dead childrens bodies because I don't know what an assault rifle is."
So the answer is… whatever he decides. Because there was no actual definition. We should ban a hammer… because you can literally make someone unidentifiable with that… or a rock… assault weapons…
@@staticivi more murders are committed with hammers/blunt objects every year than with AR-15s, so don't give them any ideas.
@@staticivi 'aye, you got a permit for that brick, son?' smh...
@@kylelloyd700 yup
The grandstanding is so bad with this guy.
I commend you for your knowledge and patience ❤
Thank you, Colion. PLEASE keep doing what you do.
“ you going to fight the US government who has nuclear weapons, tanks and drones with your AR15” well the Taliban seemed to do just fine with their AKs
Our military took an oath to protect America against foreign and DOMESTIC enemies. It would only take a couple of generals to side with The People to turn things around real quick.
My thought exactly.
Well to be fair they got their ass kicked. They were able to inflict plenty of carnage. But they cannot win a straight up fight against the US Military.
Epic
So did the koreans and vietnamese, if the can do it we can too
12:05 Damn, 23 years on this Earth. And I never realized it was legal to hunt humans with 30 round magazines. That's got to be the dumbest anti gun statement I've ever heard in my entire life.
That was one of many mask-off moments for John Rosenthal. He views the 2A as a privilege and wants to limit the gun-owning population as much as possible.
He is too focused on tragic stories of people dying, and not considering the ramifications of limiting people's ability to defend themselves. The calls for more regulation after a mass shooting will never stop. The 2A community needs to stop ceding ground in an attempt to appease the emotions of grieving parents and victims. The more people have direct experience with guns and gun ownership, the less these BS emotional arguments work on people.
The most effective solution is to encourage eligible citizens in our sphere of influence to own guns. Take them shooting with you. Educate them on Gun topics when it pops up in conversation. Take them hunting with you, if you're into that. Demystify the concept of normal, everyday people owning "assault weapons".
I love how he says it with confidence too.. he says "where's the logic." I'm thinking, where's the logic with that statement.😂😂 I'm very surprised colion didn't call him out on that stupidity..
@@mattseifert8061 he would have been accused of "interrupting". You've got to pick your battles in timed debates. If you address every single point of disagreement, it quickly turns into a "nuh uh - yuh huh" type of exchange.
@@onpoint2292 you're right. It would have been very satisfying though. That dude literally said when he hunts humans he's not limited at all.. but in his mind, the correlation of hunting humans is illegal, therefore no new law is going to prevent someone from doing something horrible, somehow didn't connect in his head.. I'm almost lost for words I can't even wrap my head around something that stupid.
@@mattseifert8061 it would be a distraction; like focussing on someone taking a pawn in chess rather than focusing on protecting the king. But great point on the appeal to logic.
John was not arguing in good faith and he was simultaneously intellectually dishonest.
Hunted coyote, fox, bobcat, and hog here in Texas with my .223. .223 are used nation wide for hunting every day. And as a retired police officer of 20 years, I was NOT UNDERARMED. I carried a .45 ACP, an M4 and a Benelli Super 90. I had plenty of ammo/magazines for a gun fight. I don’t know what your officers are carrying in Massachusetts that makes them under gunned? 9mm with one mag? This guys facts are way off and his understanding of the second amendment/constitution is delusional.
The FEMALE moderator just demolished John’s emotional arguments at the very end by calling him out.
That was my favorite part of the whole thing! Perfect illustration of his inability to be reasonable.
I was pleasantly surprised by the moderators, though the standard radio format ruined the flow.
Both of the moderators were surprisingly reasonable (perhaps even pro-2A). I expected this to turn into a "The View" style crap-fest but it didn't even come close.
@@southerninterloper4107 Agree! The moderators were surprisingly reasonable and fair. I just didn't like the format of it though.
John was childish and ugly there at the end having his arm twisted to say Colion doesn't want people hurt. Money and a nice neighborhood doesn't buy class. John is in short supply of such.
Most people see through John’s arguments, this is why people have purchased more firearms than ever before.
His mask slipped when he started to say he wanted his laws to apply somewhere else that he's never been
What a joke this guy is. Talking out the side of his face.
It always puzzles me when minorities like "Rosenthal" align against their own interests. Maybe call me a warmonger, but I'd rather go out with guns blazing, than in some damn ext3rm1n4tion camp. Or did "Rosenthal" forget that part of history? Maybe he thinks the U.S. is immune to devolving into that kind of leadership. Maybe he's a fool.
And more democrats than ever before? They lost this argument years ago.
He trys to hit heart strings and play the "knee jerker" and run off emotions. He is narcissistic and manipulative, just like 99 percent of the politicians out there.
How is this a debate? SMH the level of tossing out opinions without support. Colin, my hats off to you, great job maintaining your cool at the rude behaviors of your debate opponent.
U were the right guy for the job 100% thank you!
When John Rosenthal 'quoted' the 2nd amendment...he left out this pretty important part... " the right of the people" which had been determined as an individual right, not a collective right.
I just noticed that too.
Yes. An INDIVIDUAL right. The people who wrote the Amendment had just finished fighting a war that came to blows because their enemy tried to DISARM THEM. Why would they word their own constitution to only provide the GOVERNMENT with arms?
How did no one but three people notice that!
@@krotchlickmeugh627: I would wager that a whole lot more than three people noticed.
I’ve broken the 2nd amendment down so many times for people to understand it’s mind numbing.
"Every single state, that has background check requirements, makes it a little harder for LAW ABIDING CITi...criminals" The most epic Freudian slip ever!
Exactly. Gun control is not to make people safer. It’s to make the population more vulnerable and usher in more draconian laws and government dependence. Protect the criminals, for without them, the Democratic Party has no platform upon which to stand every 4 years in these cities where violence persists and, despite decades of Democratic leadership, no improvement has been made.
Lol.. caught that too.
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What the time stamp?
@@outerspaceman7534 26:46
Thank you Colion for this. One discussion I would like to hear is how do we keep guns away from the bad guys and crazy people WITHOUT infringing on the rights of the general public. Colion if you have any suggestions please make a video.
Was hoping this was longer honestly
"The AR-15 is not a weapon that Law Enforcement carries"
Every cop with a patrol rifle: 😐
Thats comment suprised me too
It just puts things into perspective of how out of touch with reality people like John really are
James Freeman: hold my camera
I was so confused to I was like every officer I’ve ever met has a ar-15 service rifle in the trunk of there patrol car or passenger seat
There is a department that carries a tavor in arizona
“Stop handgun violence”
*talks about why we can’t have Ar-15s*
exactly. the left is full of double speak and hidden. ill never vote democrat againl.
It's because he's not trying to save lives he's trying to ban guns. Every single time I hear "I support the 2nd amendment, but..." I immediately know they actually don't. They "try" to level with us true 2nd amendment supporters. They use straw man arguments and try to use emotion to push laws it's all a face
Dude's arguments are weak af Colion strong with it
only good hosts ive ever seen on a topic like this
Rosenthal in passing states he has visited Warsaw and European WW2 concentration camps. How many European Jews ever said “Thank God we have no guns!” Rosenthal should be ashamed of himself.
Gun control guy: “Why isn’t there a limit on hunting humans?”
Me: There is a limit. Zero. That’s y murder is illegal. Smh
Why do we openly give access to mentally unstable people though.... I.E. the latest school shooting....
Right?! Totally detached from _reality,_ only using absurdities and trite talking points...and then also getting condescending.
I have heard the anti-gun people say this before and it leaves me flabbergasted along with the statement like "What about those of us who got no 2nd Amendment, who is going to protect us?"
lol but if they ban the guns the criminals will follow that law lol ya right its like they brained washed too common sense criminals do not follow laws
@@keithwilson9378 It will surely make it harder for psycho 18 year olds to purchase rifles...
When Colion said John was “intellectually inconsistent.” That summed up the whole debate. ThAt was literally the most respectful disrespect I’ve witnessed to date.
I just have one thing that I would like to say to John's face: "What's wrong with your incipient predilections for irrelevancy?"
That's the Canadian way of calling someone stupid.
None of these debates are worth a hill of beans.
Subbed and thanks for what you do, Colion. 🙌
That guy 100% thinks that 223 is massive 😂
John talking about “what’s your AR15 gonna do over a sophisticated military?” That same military has been fighting men running around in scandals with their AKs for decades.
Oh that is good my friend. Hahahahahah
Yep. Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam ect.
Not to mention the atomic weapon thing he's saying, would never happen because to military is going to detonate those on their own cities on their own soil.
Then he implied that the government could just drop a nuke on the American public if it decided to. Yeah, we know exactly where you stand, Statist summabich.
John doesn't know how civil war happens right in your neighborhood and not on some distant battlefield? How people who have used what ever means it took to deprive people of their constitutional civil rights are not immune from the consequences of those actions? Public employees who ignored the desires of their constituents for years and actively strived to remove constitutional guarantees by pushing illegal and unconstitutional laws that did away with due process and assuming the accused is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. Red flag laws and laws that make secret decisions that affect the free movement of a person by putting them on a no list without due process. All these groups who have this delusion that they know whats best for other people need a large lesson in minding their own business. That lesson starts with illegal unconstitutional laws being declared null and void, and the people who voted and passed those laws need to be sued for depriving US citizens of their constitutional rights under color of authority and conspiracy to commit treason. When you set about destroying the foundational legal bedrock of a country after having taken a sacred oath to uphold and defend that same constitutional law, then you are most certainly in need of a long time out to contemplate your betrayal of your fellow citizens. Breaking big rocks into little rocks at Fort Leavenworth federal day spa and retreat sounds like a wonderful destination for these public employees who have forgotten who they work for.
@@mustangstevegt yeah the whole nuclear weapon argument is asinine because any nuclear radiation would most likely be blown up north or south and affect other countries or the federal government not to mention carpet bombing and the likes dont work against non concentrated targets and mostly destroy infrastructure in this situation which lets be honest infrastructure in the us is already poor. We'd also have to take into account the amount of defectors in the federal military there would be and how many would be willing to nuke their own home or attack civilians
The fact he tried to argue that cops don’t carry ar-15s is insane. Most of the cops in my area have one in their vehicle some even have a shotgun too.
They often have select fire M4's too, which are arguably better, lighter, and more effective than AR-15's.
I thought that was standard and the type was personal choice
Hell what happened to SWAT???
Your completely correct my friend I’m a cop and I damn sure carry an AR everyday. And you should too 👍🇺🇸
My dad carried one back in his duty days. I even got to shoot it, I can’t believe this was said
Also the AR-15 is not used by the military.
"I don't want to ban guns except for the ones I don't like."
He is so wrong here in Iowa regular public servants have a secondary firearm that is a ar15 in their vehicle
Lemme get this straight. This guy works for an organization called "stop handgun violence," but thinks that "military style assault weapons" are the problem? What?
OMFG. The “it destroys meat” argument is ALWAYS made by someone who has no clue what a .223/5.56 round does.
So does a slaughter house
Timestamp?
@@peterlowell7963Starts at 20:47 Colion Noir destroy John's dumb AF argument.
I absolutely agree!!! Somebody who was familiar with the .223/5.56 round or hunting in general, would know that there are much more powerful rounds used for hunting game than the .223.
.308, 30-06, 12G slug, .44 Magnum, and so on and so on. This guy has no clue and his poorly constructed arguments make this crystal clear.
@@r6dave807 .44 Magnum is absolutely not more powerful than .223/5.56. Go shoot a .44 Mag and a 62 grain 5.56 out of a 18” AR barrel at some ballistic gel and tell me which one has a bigger/more dynamic wound channel.
"Could you define what an assault weapon is?" "No but here's an emotional story" 20:00
Capitalizing on people’s loss
Too bad it was pistols used in Sandy Hook, the Ar15 was found in his car.
i think background checks and mental health checks should be a thing for gun owners BUT both of those things are easy for a government to change behind the scenes with no proof, they can easily manipulate the results to give themselves a reason to take away your firearms. every gun owner should go to atleast 1 safety course.
Every police car and sheriff car and motorcycle in sonoma county Ca. Has an AR rifle, every county I have traveled to have police with an AR rifle. This guy is 30 years behind the times.
"I support the Second Amendment, BUT..."
They always, ALWAYS start their bullshit the same way.
The other one that irritates me..... I'm a lifetime member of the NRA but..... anything after that sounds like gibberish.
everything said before the word 'but' doenst mean anything
"No offense...... BUT"
or they talk about hunting or constantly saying that the AR-15 is a military weapon when people start with that there argument is done because they do not know what they are talking about
How can YOU compare a civilian AR-15 to the Vegas shooting senerio? Talk, TALK .TALK. MAKES NO SENSE !
I'm thirty minutes in and I don't think John has answered literally a single question asked. "How do you define an assault weapon?" Changes subject. "How would you enforce a universal background check?" Changes subject. "Do you really think a volunteer army would nuke its own citizens?" Changes subject.
I gave up halfway through for the same reason... only one side actually answers questions!
He spent the who time building a strawman and spiting slogans while bringing almost nothing of substance
I know, and no calls him out
Non that spoke to the topic
The way liberals and leftists are. Deflect, deflect, deflect.
For anyone that doesn’t know, .223/5.56 is absolutely a common hunting round, they make 5 round hunting magazines specifically to use while hunting with an AR-15
Colion must be protected at all cost
This moderator not letting John off the hook at the end was amazing.
My favorite part in the whole debate was 27:05. She basically backed him into a corner.
She asked him what he thought Colion would agree with and he literally says something that Colion clearly disagreed with.
That guy gave me an aneurysm because half the time he wasn’t even answering the questions directed towards him. Amazing job Colion
And was talking in slow motion which is annoying. He probably thinks it makes him sound smart.
And after Colion explained the term assault rifle , the other guy kept calling Semi's Assault Rifles.
An Assault Rifle is : Select Fire , Full Auto Capable . And you CAN Hunt with them in Many States. ( SEMI's ) .
Same way I felt.
John completely talked around most of Colin’s points. He had no answer for the national registry and for universal license.
@@gutterfalcon2912 yep..alot of people actually DO hunt with them. AR style rifles are actually fairly popular amongst hunters.
Where can you buy a gun without a background check? No where that I know of?
Where does he buy firearms because I’ve always had to have a background check when purchasing a firearm.
This man is literally in one of the smallest States in America and hes talking about how much their laws have affected gun deaths this is laughable
Being from MA myself I know he is lying or just ignorant to the actual reality of the statistics. In this podcast discussion the hosts even pull up actual statistics that he continues to ignore. MA isn't the "safest" state (commonwealth) in the union of the USA. Hell its far from it. Fall River, MA was in the top 5 of the worst cities across the USA at one point (can no longer find that article)
@@HazardousT1 I live in southern NH. We all know that Mass. is far from as safe as that guy makes it out to be. NH has zero restrictions on the type of rifle you can buy and is a constitutional carry state, yet we have almost no gun crime. That being the case, I would like Mr. Rosenthal to explain why guns are the reason for violent crime
Not trying to bust your bubble but Massachusetts by population is the 16th largest State in the country, not to mention our 3rd most wealthiest State so land size means nothing. But his words are still garbage!!
@@HazardousT1 Fall River haha!! Try New Bedford they literally shot up a cops house and the chief covered it up..
@@jasonwhitlock179 that entire section of Bristol County is absolutely garbage. I only referenced Fall River because it was in a legit census/official top ten worst cities in the USA before every news outlet decided to make their own top 10 worst cities based on their own beliefs.
"Do you think people should be able to own tAnkS!?!?!" "People can own tanks in the United States..." Good work Colion. This guy made a fool of himself.
IT IS legal to own a tank. Rosenthal immediately went for the hyperbolic, emotional response about someone going around with a tank blowing up cities, as if owning such a thing would always lead to using it to break laws. It's illegal to blow up cities with a tank, just like it's illegal to blow up cities with a pipe bomb. And it's illegal to use an AR-15 to kill people randomly, just like it's illegal to use a revolver, a knife, a hammer, or a car to kill people randomly.
@@rangersmith4652 Well said!! The strawman is strong with this one. The irrational fallacy that "... owning such a thing would always lead to using it to break laws." must be illuminated and defeated. Stay frosty my friend.
If I had the money and the land, hell yes I'd own a tank.
@@tekkblade82 that’s like a no brainer , why not have 3 fucking tanks
@@gokezv2215 it would be good to have a spare for when the main battle tank is in the shop.
That guy was extremely disingenuous and argued from emotion. Look at how he doesn’t define an assault weapon and chooses the emotional response.
Here it is. Why should I have an AR? Why do I need an AR? Wanna know? I get to have one because I want to, and it’s a right of mine. High capacity mags? Because I want to
John, who “hunts:” You’d eat a dear shot by a .223?!?!?
Colion: Uh… yeah?…
This right here says it all.
Colion I’m sorry you were put through that cringe fest.
that was Hilarious
Boy, should I tell him that I hunt with a .270 and .308?
He thinks that little 223 round explodes like a nuke because it's fired from a "military style" rifle.
These people somehow think that the 223 is some sort of magical round they doesn’t follow the laws of physics and causes what ever it hits to disintegrate.
Well he’s more than likely unable to place a good shoot and is probably use to tearing up a front shoulder or back strap. He is also the guy that probably doesn’t know how to ethically harvest a deer and then pays some one to process for him, just an opinion.
John is basically an NPC reading his programmed script. He kept saying "when I hunt" when every educated person knows 2A isn't about hunting.
Exactly
John is a batch file. He double clicks on himself because he doesn't have a brain.
He is framing the discussion. He knows that if he can relegate the meaning of the second amendment to hunting he can shut down the entire discussion around legitimate uses for force in defense of life, liberty and property. The fact is the second amendment is a right. Hunting is a hobby. The constitution has a bill of rights not a bill of hobbies.
Negative. Juice program NPCs. These are the creators, unfortunately.
From a 2016 survey, only 7% of the estimated 287,400 criminals who possessed a firearm during their offence legally purchased it under their own name, and even fewer used it during their offence. It's not typically the _guns_ that are illegal; it's that the _owner_ doesn't legally possess them. I'm not even American, and yet it baffles me how few of them actually do any research on the matter other than looking at death statistics!
As a Massachusetts resident, for him to say they didn't ban many guns is a bullshit lie
This was so predictable. Talking about his friends seeing their dead children is horrible debate point. It's horrific, but it doesn't change facts or statistics.
Besides that, I’m moderately confident he doesn’t own the weapons he claimed to own, or ammo, which means if my suspicion is correct, he’s dishonest and just cares about pushing his agenda and is fine with lying to do so.
@@meanman6992 he clearly has no idea the size of ammo and even used the word “clip”. He thinks a .223 bullet will just make people unrecognizable if they’re shot. He knows nothing of guns.
I love the part he says “it makes it harder for law abiding” then stops himself cause clearly that’s what he wants.
@@jamescordes8673 shotguns mame people way more than ANY other round could ever think of. I dont believe him when he says they had to identify victims by clothing at all with regards to 223/556. Another disingenuous issue. This ronsenthal fella is a flat out joke. I agree with you 100%
I’m from Connecticut, I bet that idiot didn’t know a single one of them
@@meanman6992 Or that he was close buds with Antonin Scalia; and that he (Scalia) said the things he claimed he said to him.
Rosenthal is so full of it. He's contradicted himself, consistently interrupted, used emotional fallacies, hyperbole to make Colin look crazy and in some cases told out right lies. He is so disingenuous, and it's terrifying to think someone like that is able to influence self defence law
"guns for me, but not for thee". I loved how shocked he was about hunting with a .223
I love all those hyperbole because some of them are correct.
@@vitolapinta as someone who has a living relative from Vietnam, where they introduced the .223 to the military to replace the 30cal M14, he always says the same thing when we ask about how he liked the m16. “We didn’t want to replace a .30 caliber with a .22, the bullets are smaller and lighter and we thought they would just bounce off branches and would pass though people without as much damage as a .30 when we’re TRYING to kill the people trying to kill us”
And the fact we use .30cal rifles for hunting all the time and he’s surprised people hunt with the SMALLER and LESS DAMAGING bullet but says nothing about semi automatic higher caliber rifles..? I just don’t understand where he gets his information from, especially thinking 5.56mm is different than .223
@@vitolapinta this guy was a total clown. He barely even knows anything about firearms. The fact that he genuinely had no idea whatsoever that a .223 caliber round is a VERY COMMON round used by hunters really showcases his lack of knowledge and ignorance.
The clown is never been a life and death situation. First of all CDC IS CORRUPT, THEY'RE KNOWN TO CORROBORATE with Criminal Fauci Bribed Patent Department to patent Fauci's coronavirus and CDC have not been totally honest about the pandemic. The system is corrupt and this guy Rosenthal is a clown.
Not one legitimate argument out of John, amazing
Good debate Colion his intentions are clear and you stood up for the the 2a and the American peoples rights, firearms are not a privilege like a drivers license they are our right
He said "when you hunt humans." We're not hunting humans, we're defending ourselves from humans.
Yeah, that made me physically pause when he said that.
Nono, it is important that when four people come to kill you and do unspeakable things to the women in your house, you only kill a maximum of three of them. After all we have to be careful the population of criminals will not be endangered. Also make sure it's criminal hunting season or you'll get a fine...
I laughed internally when he said that
"You can have large magazines to hunt people!!" and I'm like... hunting people isn't legal though lmao
John understand the power of words. This is the same reason he calls his org “stop handgun violence”.
Yeah, what an insane statement. This John guy is an idiot. What I thought when said that was 'it's kind of already illegal to do that buddy'....
Every time someone says “I’m a gun owner and hunter”. I know what is about to come out of their mouth is bullshit.
Then he tried to say that a person wouldn’t eat the meat shot with a .223. This guy is a clown 🤡. Or any meat that was shot with a bullet.
@@justjackfromsc John was in way over his head. That will be the last time he agrees to a debate with Colion.
Amen to that.
I'm a gun owner and not a hunter. I carry a gun because it's lighter than carrying a cop. Police carry a gun to protect themselves not you. Police wear body armor to protect themselves.
Female mod is outstanding. Colion answers one question thoroughly, but John makes 8-9 points. Female mod then summarizes a point of his and passes it onto Colion.
"He thinks it's okay to own a Tank"
Founding Fathers: "I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my privately owned canon"
And warships
Lmao exactly
If the govt owns tanks - I want one - I pay for them and just might need one to defend my family - FROM THE FCKN GOVT !
Founding Fathers: Colion is considered a property, he is a slave. The abolition of slavery is unconstitutional
@@handsometall28 you didn’t have to say that…