The $12,337.16 Bartók Glissando...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 มี.ค. 2023
- Have you ever felt the need to go out and secure a $12,000 instrument just to play two notes? Have you ever seen a trombonist tie a shoelace to his bone? Neither have I, but today we will be exploring the 4 methods involved in playing the infamous bass trombone solo in the fourth movement of Bartók's Concerto for Orchestra! Which one do you like best?
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This story gets even more comical if you consider that the only reason the bass trombone evolved to even have a second valve was because Bartok wrote this glissando.
Even the modern 2 valve Vass trombones can't play it smoothly without the tuning slide trick
@@mccabecompositions The plot thickens!
Initially, two-valve bass trombones featured the F valve, and a dependent second valve in flat E. This extended the horn just enough to play the Bartok glissando, which is why this pitch was chosen.
From there, a skilled player can theoretically execute a B to F gliss by releasing the valve during the gliss slowly to get the half valve smoothing gliss effect.
This became less doable as the second valve evolved to be more useful as a whole, and B moved away from the very end of the slide.
So would a dependent, double valve bass still be able to do this?
@@sinatrabone no, you’d need an older model where the second valve is in flat E for this trick
Since its inception in the sixties, the second valve of the single rotor bass took on different tunings, like Eb, and D.
It’s even funnier because it’s just a loud fart sound 😂
Bartok setting the trombone industry for life with just two notes (or one sliding tone, whichever way you slice it)
An uncountable number of tones in a range
"Or how I learned to stop caring and make millions off of trombones"
I don't wanna slice it I wanna slide it.
The ultimate way to show your big trombone $$$. Alsothe other day I hit my first double C and I'm very proud😊
You’re getting there
Double C was upwards right? Not entierly familiar with english terms on that front. If so, i can only hit single(?) Eb on my Tuba, so wow
high or low?
@@shadowflarehd2376 high
ive only had to go up to g (-2 position) in a song before, but one time i got high as fuck (on weed, not the note) and accidentally started hitting notes higher than my flute player friend could
damn, i cant imagine having a tuning slide that moved that easily
Lol
I was thinking that, too. How much grease is on that thing?
Hetman Light Slide Gel is pretty easy to move
@@counterfit5 no i know, i was making a joke about public school instruments lmao
if you have a good quality horn it'll move easily
Trombone is a magical instrument.
When the air raid siren sounds, I tell my wife: our neighbor is teaching a trombone lesson. And my wife immediately calms down.
Hi from Ukraine!
I saw Graeme Mutchler play this with the Utah symphony a few years ago. They rented that Bartok trombone for the weekend. They even had him bring it out and give the audience a demonstration on it before they started the piece (presumably to get a bit more value for their money! Haha).
Graeme is an absolutely fantastic musician, btw. If you ever get the opportunity to hear him in recital, take it!
Hello, this costs $12k and only has one use near the end of the show. Enjoy the performance folks!
Interesting, because that tiny little clip of Mutchler at 1:00 is in the lobby of the Utah Symphony’s very own Abravanel Hall by coincidence.
No lie, I played this piece in college, and used a Bass Sackbut! The hilarious part was how "fatter" the second trombonist sounded when he did his, lol.
1:16 THE CLASSIC "awh" HAHAHHAHAHAH
Bartok wrote a two-note joke that literally changed trombone history
its hilarious cuz you can play it easily with a regular Bb/F Orchestral Tenor Trombone
@@jeffmousebeans5055no you can't because you can't gliss that interval. It's not the notes individually that are the problem, it's the fact that the slide isn't long enough to play it normally.
@@gunnarkilborn3915 bro i have a Bb/F tenor trombone and i can do it easily. If you want i can make a video of me doing it
@@jeffmousebeans5055 "you can play it easily with a regular Bb/F Orchestral Tenor Trombone" -- this is incorrect
@@jebbishop3 it literally is. do you want me to post a video of me doing it? cuz i can, and its not hard at all
Tubists are never busy anyway. So just getting them to do it is easier.
Can they mop the floor as well? Looks like a slippery slope to me
Hey now we can be very busy depending on what piece we’re playing 😂
@@tracefuqua3651 naaaah. Not in a symph orchestra
PS okay okay, maybe if its a short one, like short ride in a fast machine but not core repertoire
@@AndreyRubtsovRU I agree in an orchestral setting not so much but my personal experience is outside of that realm. I can understand why the tuba doesn’t get as much respect as other instruments
@@tracefuqua3651 orchestra tubists though? Yeah, busy counting to four 600 times.
Huh, my history was waaaay off on this. I thought Bartók originally wrote this as a tuba glissando, but no one could do it, so they invented a special bass trombone just to do it. I learned something new today!
that's in the Miraculous Mandarin
Doug Yeo actually was playing his custom Yamaha made F bass trombone in the video shown of him. Its the only one they ever made and they did it just for him to use for this.
Bartok is like, "I always find that trombone sound funny, so I'll put it here."
Tuning slide assist is on my list of under-appreciated words
Glad to know that Clarinets aren't the only section that classical orchestral composers hate.
More videos like this, love when u make longer videos like this😊
Love this content!
Its so funny to see this Video, because we are playing and practicing this piece right now and our Trombonist is using method one. Our first rehearsal was very funny, because our Conductor, a trombonist himself, brings his Bass Trombone every time they played the piece and never saw that solution before😂
Making things even crazier, this is a tritonal glissando!
for no reason, ive watched this video over 50 times
Wouldn't just using the f attachment also work since it makes the instrument be in the key of f?
the slide isn't long enough. when using the valve you only get about 6 positions
@@samuelzackrisson8865 Thats what I thought was the problem at first as well, but as far as I can tell and based on my own experiences it would still be a problem even if the instrument is in f directly, slide positions get weird playing that low even without using one of the triggers
@@jackkuni3137 I have a trombone with a trigger and i can tell it's impossible to play b natural on it. c is just about possible
@@jackkuni3137 The slide on the Bartok trombone is double-wrapped, making the slide positions 1/2 as long. And the slide on the bass sackbut has a handle to make 7th position possible.
@@jeremyquiros5483 Thanks for the explanation, I did not notice that part and that makes a lot more sense
"Method three bring a bass sackbutt and let it rip."
Got me☠️💀💀☠️
This is fascinating and hilarious, tysm
Beautiful
I never knew this until today thanks!
Every orchestra needs to have a Bartok F bone in it's inventory for that one piece. Just like they own timpani and bass drums.
Love the Sackbut sound! Very ethereal, in a T-bone way;)-John in Texas
Hi Timo, I’m a professional tubist. Can I make a sackbut suggestion? Don’t puff your cheeks, keep the corners firm. Low register will rip.
this is insane!
At Symphony Hall in Boston they have Kauko Kahila's two-valve bass trombone in a glass case with a printed version of the story about how this Bartók gliss led to its innovation / development.
is that winfred felton in the bassoon section? tell him dean from undergrad in denver says hey! sweet video, that tuning slide assist to get the Bb in 6th position was genius
Effectively a big middle finger to Shostakovich's Seventh
blowing the raspberry...
I think you can also fake a bit of it with your embouchure, but it won’t sound as good. I’ve used t this technique to play stuff that technically requires a trigger on trombones without a trigger. You can also play B naturals with a single trigger so it’s a useful technique to know even if you have a trigger.
"The 12,337.16 trombone!"
Tubas, percussion, flutes, string players, etc.: "That's a steal!"
I do really appreciate that the reasonable top end for (tenor) trombones tops out around 6 grand.
Flutes? Those are cheap AF!
@@q12aw50 You'd think so, and some of them can be, but the really high end stuff is stupid expensive, because they're literally made out of stuff like Silver, or Gold.
You should play the trombone solo form GBA Riverside Park, Mario Kart 8 Deluxe please!
I managed to squeak bass trombone notes out of a regular trombone with the F attachment by just using my bottom lip, it pissed off my music teacher that I could do it but it worked and thats how I was 3rd trombone for 6 years
Just for testing a theory I somehow managed that glissando using a cloned superbone. As valves 1&3 together is equivalent to an F-trigger, slide 6th position gives the "C". (7th being unavailable) So with all valves 123 and the 6th position I can reach the "B". I just gliss upwards while gradually releasing valve 2 to reach the "F". Not sure if this approach is acceptable to the trombone community though.
I've met Douglas Yeo before! He's the interim trombone professor at the University of Illinois right now, very friendly and nice.
Ok then, let's transpose the whole concerto xD
Hey Trombone Timo! Just curious on what model of trombone you use because I am interested in looking to buy one for myself. Do you know where I could go to find one? Thanks!
In the Miraculous Mandarin there’s a section that has a bunch of these glosses but much quieter 😊
also downward ones, which can't be played by the shoelace method.
I just noticed that how the tubas mouthpiece at 0:28 looks clear or am I just seeing things
Probably a Kelly 50.
Option 4 play on a euphonium and do a half valve fake glisando that sounds 80 percent as good at 1/6th the cost and 1/10th the effort.
Darn that Bartok!
AMEN
going to get the big bucks (hopefully)
genius
at 1:11 you can hear a minecraft zombie groan
0:24 Taco Bell sound
Your like the only youtuber who owns a Bass Sackbut.
how long of pvc would you have to put on your f attachment to do it I wonder... if you really wanted to do it that way
I reckon at least 1 foot
When a young composer writes such a clumsy thing, he is despised. When an established composer does the same thing, everyone thinks it is brilliant...
Wtf are you smoking that has nothing to do with the video
I know the pedal b is unplayable on a b flat tuba. Is this the same reason for the bass trombone?
It's totally playable with a fifth valve, as many instruments today have, and also totally possible with a compensating valve set as the British use (though compensating valves tend to make instruments sound stuffy). It is also sometimes possible to use false tones on 3 and 4 valve instruments.
A single valve bass trombone has the same problem, but slightly less severe. Trigger + 7th position is equivalent to 1-2-3-4 (with a tuning slide pulled) on tuba. This is why bass trombones have a 2nd trigger. This gliss is still not quite possible with that valve setup, though, because you'd need to instantly move the slide out like four positions when disengaging the Gb valve, since that valve needs to be engaged tor B and disengaged for F.
I am currently play trombone in school I has a quest for you have you ever played with Karl Jackson
im starting band soon and playing the trombone do yall got any tips
Practice
What is the name of the piece? What should I type in to listen to it?
Cool
Jazz gang says: ever heard of fake notes? We get to play a low D of C without valve if you practice enough xD
Musicians: Write something I could play
Composers: hahahahaha, NO.....
Reject bartok trombones.
Embrace sackbut.
I like the bass sackbut method.
Does anyone know what the full song is called?
A Bb/F & E bass trombone can do it. I had an Elkhart 62h in this configuration, no problem
I played this on a regular f attachment what is the problem
WIth the assist finally the tuba players will have something to do during rests
SACKBUT FTW!!!!!!!
Can’t you used both the F attachment and the Gb attachment to make that glissando?
No, because if you use both triggers, the low B would be on somewhere around the 5th position, so you can't do a glissando over 6 semitones ...
is this in Trombone Hero?
am I the only one mesmerized by the "value" of instruments in the frame while pondering the choice of a Clear Kellyberg tuba mouthpiece? LOL ( nothing against them, I use one for a teaching tool, but.....)
Hi bro. Can u play tarantella (Gioachino rossini) please ?
Murph!
Murph moment
Murph’s magical music moment
Why do i have spongebob in my head xD
mclovin is playing trombone, omg, superbad is real
When you have big trombone $$$
Is this harder than the whole Rach 3?
i can actually do this bartok solo with the need of having a bass trombone and 3 hands on my straight tenor trombone
That "augh this is terrible" made me chuckle, even if I don't know how horrible it is because I never played brass lmao
It sounds awful
@@q12aw50 Oh so that's why; I first thought it's the mouth feel that is awful instead lmao
@@aloysiuskurnia7643 it probably is too lol
Hungary magyar vagyok ismerem Bartók Bélát
Hey in numb chuks o evil tree o evil tree there’s a Seneca where the chuks fungus playing the cilenders and Dillard playing the trumpet plz go check if is not Andrew crowtly
You could record the note and then play it back yay
so we not gonna talk about the composers posture lol
The easiest and the most cost effective way is to cheat by starting the glissando a semitone higher. Very few people will notice, including some conductors.
I always notice
1:30 isn’t that an F bass trombone
All that hassle and I could've farted that note in F if you had given me $12,34🤔🤷🏼♂️
I have a song u can do on trombone the song called Black blues
Hello :D
The little-known rarely-used original lyrics immediately after that brief trombone solo are, "Elnézést a fingásért !!"
I have a simple single rotary trombone. I bet you i could play that easy
method 3>>>
Is it really _just_ two notes tho? Is a CVT just two gears? I'ma callin' science on that.
The F bass sack butt has to be the most flatulent instrument name in history
Or spend a couple hundred having a tech make a long slide for you- senior tech and bass bone player here. It’s really not that hard
On the thumbnail, he kinda looks like Rodri from Manchester City lol
1:12 bring a bass saxBUT and LET IT RIP key word RIP 💀💀💀
Sounds like Rich People problems , to me 😮
Sounds like you just suck at music
Do you also hear the minecraft zombie sound??? 1:11
Who said Bartok didn't have a sense of humor?
It's expensive to be trombonist. 😮
It's actually very inexpensive compared to every other orchestral instrument.
Hilarious.
Easy Solution…Get A ContraBass Trombone…
I played the bass sacbut in college,..it was a horrible instrument, thank god for modern trombones