2023 Porsche Macan S vs GTS performance
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ค. 2022
- Now that both the 2023 Porsche Macan S and the GTS have the same engine, Porsche say there is 60 HP difference but is there really any performance difference?
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I really give Nick a lot of credit for regularly discussing the price differences in the Porsche range, and asking "is it worth it?". Too many car channels on TH-cam, including several from people who really should know better, always just drool over whatever luxury car they happen to be reviewing that day. And of course, common consensus is that the more expensive car is always the better car. But as Nick demonstrates over and over again, that's just not the case. Keep up these great "value-for-money?!" rants. They are a great addition to all the fanboys on TH-cam who just run through the features list in their videos. Thank you!
"Bang for the Buck" will typically always favor the lesser model of most lineups Not only are they (obviously) cheaper with same build quality/engineering/service. Same with options...example: Base 911 with say, one or two options will probably be the sweet spot for the entire Porsche line ;-)
I think most of those reviewers just drive very expensive and unattainable cars and say “this is really good! You should buy it!” As much I find Nick disgusting, he makes good realistic consumer advises.
@@jasonlee4654 Disgusting? Such a decent man, generous with his time (he has a big time job you know) and helpful to us all, and you find him "disgusting"?
Very useful review!
@@jasonlee4654Odd? Yes
“Disgusting”? No
I just test drove them back to back and noticed the same thing. I mentioned it to the salesman and he couldn't really defend it. Lol.
Thank you for doing this comparison, Nick! I'm tired of reading the geezers on the Porsche forums who say that the Macan S is a pathetic offering compared to the Macan GTS even for 2022....I think this video proves them wrong.
They are 100% wrong
I enjoy Nick’s video, down to earth content and detailed comparison between models 👍
Great, honest video! Amazing how many TH-camrs out there fail to cover the basic stuff people want to know, but this video gets straight to the point and tells you everything you need to know, and nothing you don’t . Great job!
2020-2021 Macan, GTS is the sweet spot.
2022+ Macan, S is the sweet spot.
I have been waiting forever for this video! Especially since I just ordered a Macan S last month. I dropped everything at work to watch it as soon as it was posted.
I have a 22 Macan GTS. Loaded out. Love it. My 911 on stilts. Please note that unless you have the GTS in Sport plus mode vs sport…..you haven’t dialed up the mapping to maximize the HP and Torque figures, not to mention the PDK mapping. The options standard on the GTS and the lower profile is great. You mention the exhaust….wow, it’s great. The big deal with the GTS is the chassis. I do like the S grille better…..but ordered mine in Smoke grey and it looks sinister. Thanks for an intriguing review.
I spotted that as well, when I run sport vs sport +, the GTS is far more aggressive and lively. Definitely different mapping and shift more aggressive also. Run it again using sport+, and ffs do a launch as well? Guessing this won’t happen as it doesn’t suit the narrative of ‘the S is the best’ each to their own. GTS for me, chassis and suspension setup is incredible
Aren't the chassis the same between the two models? Pretty sure they are...
@@MrBeckPJ hi Peter…..you get upgrades that are not standard on the S, but some can be optioned…….but then one might as well purchase the GTS. Good question. Best
Mine (GTS) has the Chrono package and it's definitely more more aggressive when Sport+ or Chrono. From Porsche they told me if I buy all options on the S the GTS has already then S would cost more... But Europe probably totally different Market.
Nick brings a unique presentation to auto journalism. I like it. He’s funny, self deprecating, sincere, knowledgeable, witty, and fair. He keeps it down to earth. Well done video/presentation. I agree with Nick on all points! Had the S & loved it. Cheers/B
Why don't you marry him! Lol
Nick's comment of the year "I wouldn't want it any stiffer". Great video mate 👌👊
That's what she said!
Loved the video! The race results did look like it could be a difference of 60hp in my book. A 10hp difference would've made the race virtually a tie, the GTS wouldn't have been able to pull away like that. I don't think Porsche is fibbing, but the peak hp number only tells part of the story, it comes down to where it's making the extra horses in the powerband and for how much of the power band it's making them. I think this is a great illustration of how a raw hp number won't necessarily equate to more performance in the real world. This video should serve as a good check for those who want a GTS just because of the hp figure. it's a lovely car but the extra hp isn't where the GTS's value is.
60hp difference between 2 otherwise equal cars is massive. Especially 40-100+ mph. Keep in mind… it’s the exact same engine and turbos in each car. Just a different state of tune or not😉. My guess is 410hp vs 430hp. Which would make feel silly paying more for the GTS branding.
Virtually the more plausible explanation to get the GTS is if you are ordering it to personalize it. That race was not a 60 HP difference for two vehicles that weigh the same and with the same engine.
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You walk in knowing you are going to be ripped off. As long as you understand that there is no value for your dollar, that it is a luxury purchase that no other brand can replicate you can be happy. $600 for a painted keyfob? GTFOH!
Just don’t walk thru the door!
Thanks for doing a straight ahead and honest review. Very useful for me! Great job. Love all your videos.
You are one of my favorite car youtuber. Love the fact that you are able to speak ''normally'' and genuinely to your audience. A lot of car youtuber seems to be transitioned to a way too formal presentation or obviously trying to put a show, which loses some authenticity along the way
One of the best and reasonable Macan S vs. GTS review I ve watched.
I wish there were more honest comparison video reviews like this. Excellent stuff.
great video, your videos are always spot on, you helped me get my first Audi A3 a few years ago and now im looking for an SUV and was thinking on a macan! thanks
I configured and ordered a '23 S and have been twisting myself up thinking if I should have just paid up for the GTS instead. I'm glad I didn't after watching your video. Thanks! 😅
Hi Nick, I saw you driving the Green Macan today on 95 North. I was driving my 991 Cabrio in the next lane but you exited onto the Milford Connector. Regardless, the green color looks amazing. And of course the green color of Kiwi, the fruit, and your being from NZ makes the plate “A-Kiwi” on the Green Macan priceless.
This the review I was waiting for! Collecting my Macan S tomorrow after 8 months since putting the order. Thanks Nick
Thanks for another great video, Nick. My wife drives a 2017 Base Macan. We have had no problems of any kind. However, the caliper covers on the front are flat black and the rears are gloss black. I really appreciate the comparisons but hoped you’d include a comparison list of which I could take a screen shot. I would also like your rating on the room in the back seat of cars for tall people.
Dear Nick - I got so impressed with this video of yours that I am now a subscriber of your channel. I am a super big fan of the Macan S to the extent that I have two of them - a 2017 Macan S 3.0L V6 TwinTurbo 340bhp since June 2017, and now got delivery of the 2022 Macan S 2.9L V6 375bhp in March 2022, and I so much appreciate your analysis that the GTS is just a "placebo" option that has very little difference to the Macan S that is the "sweetspot". It re-endorses my choice. A wonderful video that highlights blatantly the reality of Macan GTS. Thank you.
Absolutely excellent review. The plain sincerity was so refreshing. I was on the fence and deciding between the S and the GTS and you just helped me make my mind and helped me save $15,000. That was awesome and thank YOU!
Thanks, Nick. Been sleuthing down this comparison myself and wondering if the S isn't just under-reported. Much appreciated
Nick, appreciate your honesty and refreshing approach. You are my go-to for Porsche advice 👍
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Always nice to see you !
This is a great video thanks loads. I got out of my 992 911 S last year and was considering the Macan GTS as I used to have a Macan S Diesel back in the day 2018. Your video has me reconsider and to buy thr S
I have a 2022 Macan S on order. Fully loaded with $30k+ options.. I got the S model at MSRP sticker.. they wanted like 20k over sticker for a gts. The S model with all the options was cheaper. I plan on pumping the performance up anyway with some help from Flat 6 Motorsports. It doesnt arrive until October this year.. Super excited.
i have a 2022 macan gts. when i spec a s model with same options on my gts the price is the same....why would I not pick a gts. both at current prices..
This is true, sometimes it is well worth getting the GTS based on price if you are getting a bunch of options! ❤
Because I may want options that don't come standard with a GTS. And, I may not want some features that come standard with a GTS like PSE and have to pay extra. Different buyers have different needs and wants.
I have a lightly specced 22 macan GTS, I couldn't spec a S to how I wanted without getting "almost" as expensive. Biggest differences for me: I got the 8 way sport seats, which aren't available on the S (I don't use any lumbar or need extra thigh bolsters because I'm only average height) nor do I want the seats to hug me any tighter (they are already tight enough as is). I really was put off by the plastic trim options on the S. If there is really anything I didn't really "need" on the GTS it was the sports chrono and the coated brakes. Also, I'm very happy with the alcantera headliner, and expensive option, but one that I do not regret. I guess if I liked the wheels that came on the S, it would help the S more, but I'm sure their marketing department knows that people will pay the 3000 just to avoid those ugly wheels. Biggest complaint, being blinded by the piano black interior on the center console on bright summer days, where I live windshield tint is illegal, but I may have to risk the ticket.
Hm, i ordered Macan S my way, Sport Chrono, PSE,air suspension, leather upgrade, white gauges, heated gt steering wheel, performance oriented, $84140,and similar GTS with same options was still $13000 over... I drove both cars, and i didn't feel any significant difference... Steering is beautiful, brakes, fit and finish... I think we can see difference in last 1000 rpm...
I used to have a 95B.1 and for me the standard air ride and PTV+ and lower PASM were well worth it (we have lots of curvy roads here) - the other interior and exterior options were icing on top. I do agree if the GTS is more expensive than an S optioned the same way, the GTS badge alone isn't worth it.
Nice video Nick. Was deciding between a Macan S and Macan GTS and your video popped up!
Thanks for all the information you share with us! My Macan S is coming this month and I took your advice against my dealer's recommendation for a GTS. The light colour interior looks mega though, I kinda regret going for the safe black interior.
Black interior all day. With a black car and black rims and black windows abs black accents 🖤
@@robrowman6156 I have mostly dark interiors on my cars haha. I got a beige CPO Panamera for cheap this year, the car market is pretty slow here in China for 2023.
Geetings from NZ. Sorry I missed your get-together down here! Nick, this is an awesome and informative video: one of your absolute best, and I love the thought bubbles! I have a Euro 6 Diesel S with air suspension, 21-inch 5-spoke wheels, 18-way seats, full sunroof and some other goodies in Sapphire Blue. Fantastic MPG and absolute torque for getting through all those curves. Would I swap to a GTS if offered?...probably not. Thanks again.
Good to see you back in the saddle with a new typical outstanding video. Thank you.
Thank you soo much for this video ! After a config torture, tomorrow I will sign for the S.
Having owned the first gen Macan S with the 3.0 and a Cayenne S with the 2.9, dropping the 2.9 in the Macan will have made a world of a difference even if it was “detuned”. Excellent review as always Nick!
I had a 2018 Macan S 3.0L and just got my 2022 S 2.9L 2 weeks ago. It is a massive upgrade. The 3L isn’t a bad engine at all but the 2.9 is a totally different animal.
Just can't wait to see the 911 comparison of the S and GTS... looking forward to it!!!!!! Thanks for the excellent video!
Thank you Nick! As a former Macan owner (2017 base), and having spent a lot of time in various loaners (good relationship with my dealer has had me taking lots of them on extended test drives) and (until an unfortunate race car accident caused me to cancel) as someone who had a 2022 GTS on order... I have a question for you.
One thing that was immediately noticeable when comparing all of the models vs. GTS in the PREVIOUS generation (2015-2018): the PDK tuning. The S, the base, and even the Turbo, always felt "lazy" with the PDK tuning. Wanted the higher gear all the time, took its time to downshift when rolling into the pedal, etc. The GTS, by comparison, was always quick to grab a downshift, always ready to go. That in itself made the GTS feel much more spritely when driving around.... and it's what made it a "no brainer" for me to order the GTS over the S. I drove a 2018 GTS for a few days, and a 2021 Turbo for a few days - and while there was an obvious HP gap between the two (expected).... the Turbo felt lazy thanks to the PDK.
Did you notice anything like this, in your comparisons of the 2023 S vs. GTS?
I guess I gotta drive a GTs because the 16 turbo I drove was slow to me
Great review Nick. In the process of buying the Macan S having come to the same conclusion. Other point to note is that replacing the PSCB brakes on the GTS will be a much more costly affair when compared to the brakes on the S. Also good to know that the air suspension is excellent….have added it to the spec.
I have the air suspension on my Turbo Cayenne, and Nick is absolutely right, it's worth it. Get it. I love it.
Cool so you’re going to spec a Macan S to be more like a GTS!
@@JCizzleSoCal jip the macan s is better value in the long run....also paying extra for black trims seems cost ineffective.
I’ve got a 2019 facelift, Macan S, it’s the previous 3 litre model. Having also driven the latest 2.9 litre GTS, I think my car is more tractable in the lower rev range? Particularly noticeable in Normal-Mode! Excellent review!!
Thank you Nick! After two Macan S 3.0 I bought a Macan S 2.9 as tested in the video. The Macan S delivers, even on a German autobahn. I never missed the 60 hp compared to the GTS. Top speed (tach) is next to 170 mph and the car isn't nervous at all (but the passengers are). One comment: In Europe, the GTS comes with standard PSCB (coated brakes, not carbon brakes!). Replacement cost: USD 14 k for all 4 discs and pads. The standard brakes on an S come for approx. USD 2 k.
My wife just bought an S. We went to look at a GTS but found a beautiful, very well appointed S for much less in her favorite color (Chalk). Awesome car.... it's getting wrapped and a ceramic coating this week.
An another great video. By the way, where can I buy the windshield tripod that you used in this video?
Good candid review as always. Looking to buy a Macan S when and if I fall out of love with my X3. Always fun to watch your videos. The Macan on blocks in the configurator was priceless :)
I love this candid car test!!
Nick, I throughly enjoy watching your car videos, I find your presentation both informative, entertaining and credible. Please don't let the nay-sayers get to you, keep up your videos and chats. Maybe time for an update on your 993? Keep the flag flying.........
Great review Nick. You sold me on choosing the “S” over the “GTS” model! Well done!
I went from a 2014 SQ5 to a 2018 Macan GTS. Really miss the turbo diesel push back in the Audi but the drive and handling of the Macan is second to none. Great honest videos. Love it. Thank you
Great one sir, interns of maintainability which one is better
@@JoyceWanjiru-ub7pq The SQ5 I had no problems with until 5 years when I had to replace an injector. The Macan GTS I have had for a year now, coolant leak, piece of trim broke and rear diff bearing replaced. Lucky all under warranty,
@@BirdcontrolaustraliaAu I love these 2 cars but I can't stomach reliability issues. Thanks alot for the info.... maybe I should go with SQ5
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Finally, the video I had much awaited for. Thanks Nick!
After I watched you video Nick, I am glad I ordered the Macan S 😉
Was waiting for this video as well since I just ordered a Macan S last month
think of your friends and family, if you tell them you bought the best one, its a short great conversation. But if you buy the inferior version and then feel you have to drone on for 15 minutes explaining why, as this video shows, its a real drainer
Loved this video. I ended up getting a 2023 GTS (traded in my 2018 S) because I wanted to grab a few of the performance options, air suspension, sports exhaust, etc and by the time I did, the price difference wasn't big enough to justify the increased depreciation of the highly optioned S. Both are great cars. Thankfully I got my order in before Porsche decided to increase the price for all their models without any sort of update to the Macans.
Having received my blue Macan S 4 months ago, I have been wondering if I should have spent more for the GTS engine. I love everything about my S with painted exterior package that gives me more blue than GTS! My only complaint is normal mode changes gears way to low, so I just drive in sport mostly and sport plus occasionally. Did you try both cars in sport plus to see if much difference? Wonderful video for your viewers-honesty over hype always appreciated.
Hey! I drove a Macan S. In normal/comfort, there is quite a big amount of noticeable lag off the line. Sport does help mitigate some of it. The handling was really comfortable. Wasn't really different from the Macan Turbo I tried.
Love your channel Nick!
Are the gear ratios the same for both? Not that I am in the market but both seem amazing!
Two cars I won’t buy but you still make the comparison fun to watch!
Nice job on pissing off some GTS fans on the Macan forum! Always love your no BS reviews. By the way, contrary to what the pinned user said about GTS being the same price as S spec'd with options, it depends on which options are chosen. If you choose options that don't come standard on GTS the price gap you mentioned remains.
Hola que tal, excelente comparacion. Pero que opinan en habilidad y mejor sensación entre MS y MT 2023 en camino con curvas . Cual me recomendarían ?
Excellent review and valuable to watch.
I have 3.0l model as yours. How would you compare it to GTS MY23? I was thinking about replacing my S with GTS as the last combustion Macan.
Pam from The Office: "They're the same picture."
After watching this Im glad to have chosen the S. I have a 2022 with premium +, sport chrono and 18 way seats
Watched video even though no interest in Macan . Just love Nick videos.
Love to order mine with the specific options I want! Hmm, I wonder how long the wait is?
Thanks for keeping it real! I'm starting to think the S is the sweet spot for my needs too; since I'll never be racing my SUV on a sports track with my Porsche, lol.
Brilliant! Thanks, Nick.
Nice review Nick!
Curious if porsche numbers the parts numbers for the S and gts different(specifically suspension components and drivetrain. Also if anyone who does aftermarket tuning for these cars has run both on the dyno .
Interesting video. One thing I noticed as you said you were running Sport mode and you can see that on the display. Car wow just tested the Macan GTS vs all model Porsches and the Macan kept up with the 718 Cayman GTS 4.0 for at least half of the drag race over 1/2 mile starting in Sports + mode. In the Sport mode it didn’t do as well. Note it is possibly missing sports chrono as not standard in UK so may be even better.
991.1 GTS vs S...no contest. The way that car sounds and goes, it's amazing. Press the "sport plus" button and let it rip. Too bad it had those weird spoke paddles for the PDK.
Totally agree with you Nick. I would get the S with additions and be happy. 👌👏
Look at the torque figures for the S and GTS and you'll see why there's very little difference in pickup. On the older Gen 1 cars, it made sense to upgrade from the GTS to the Turbo Performance as the power and torque increase were worth it, but I agree here and would pick the S out of the two.
Great video. I have a 2022 S and added 20k in options. Still more options for the money than you can get with a GTS (-9k to be exact) and with my spec you can not tell it’s not a GTS. I love my S
Did that with my 2017 S. Took GTS money and turned it into options…..which, in terms of Porsches cost, out-accelerate a Saturn V.
When I got done, I had very ( to me ) desirable suspension and exhaust options and was still about 10K back of the GTS.
The exhaust option was pretty funny. I asked the sales rep what an “exhaust package” was…..
In true Porsche fashion he replied….”about 3 grand.”
Oh…..ok…..yeh, I’ll take it…..((((:
It has been a phenomenal car / SUV.
Of course, I’m taking it in for a new transfer case…….incredibly common problem……and covered by Porsche.
Buying a matching 911 Carrera 4 as soon as the allocation comes through…….
Incredible cars……
I ordered a new Macan S back in February. I couldn't justify the price difference here in the UK for a GTS. A few nice options, and I have a well specced S on order. The only problem is that coming up to August, I've still not had a build date. And TBH I don't expect one this year.
Who knew all those essential car parts were all made in the Ukraine? More like Manufacturers delaying petrol / diesel cars to push EV's to lower their overall emissions to meet targets. 2 year waiting list for a 911, but you can have a Taycan within 6 months !!! Obviously EV's don't have all those electronics petrol cars need !!
I appreciate the review, but I don't get it since it's too vague.
Yes, S and GTS are very close in performance, but they are also very close price wise, if you spec the S to have all the GTS trims. In this case, just go for the GTS.
At the same time, you can spec the S to be very different from the GTS. Then go for the S.
Separately, more HP does not show nearly as much from 0-60, then it shows at higher speeds and that rolling race is as accurate as the Porsche marketing department :D
Handling at low speed almost-straight road, of course will be hard to distinguish as well.
All in all, I agree they are really close, but at the same time, the review does not do a brilliant job at showcasing that very accurately :/
Do you have any opinions/insights on the Burmester sound system vs the standard Bose?
Hmm, when I added the options to the S that I wanted it would have cost more than the the GTS...that is why you get the GTS. Sure, could have skipped some options but in grand scheme of things it was insignificant amount of money. In the previous generation of Macan the GTS was the obvious choice.
Hi Nick, which Macan model would be a car that can be more reliable for a daily driver?
Nick, X3M vs Macan S which one to choose
I’ve got an S on order ( couldn’t afford the GTS) this video makes me feel a lot better !Thanks Nick
Just got my 2022 macan s and it is just such a great car.
Good honest Nick consumer advice.. 🎉 more please…
Unless you want the options that are standard on the GTS. When I optioned an S up with 21" wheels, PASM, Sports Exhaust, Sports Chrono (all standard on GTS in Australia) there was very little difference in price. I also like the GTS seats and some of the styling of the GTS which adds to the value I see in the GTS. And a stock GTS should always have a higher resale price than an optioned up S (who pays for options on a second hand car?) so in my opinion it's worth the extra couple of grand even if there isn't a huge performance difference.
Nearly a 2 year old video so might not get a response. But im looking at 16/17 plate Macans, again on stats for bhp is a lotttt. But is it similar to how you compared the two and noticed nearly no difference or will there be a noticeable difference in the older model with older tech/tuning??
You’re scratching the surface of genuine automotive journalism and consumer advice with your inimitable charm. Terrific video.
Another nick Murray classic
Great video. Terrible touch panel controls; probably a blend of fashion and cost reduction. Excellent point re. GTS- vs - S. I tried both and couldn't feel much difference at all; both felt anaemic compared to my Jaguar 5.0 V8 with same BHP rating. Think I may change spec of my order to delete sunroof and add sport chrono package to minimise the issue with seeing control areas.
I always enjoy the juxtaposition of the classical music intro followed by Nick Murray in a ridiculous t-shirt. lol
Nick: *Releases a new video about Porsche models*
Porsche Cars North America: * Stressful breathing intensifies*
What about throttle mapping? Are they the same in that respect?
Thoughts on the Gentian Blue??? I'm looking to order a Cayenne GTS soon and am debating on the Moonlight Blue or special ordering the Gentian Blue.
Wife just took delivery of a 2022 Gentian Blue Macan S, and that color is FANTASTIC. I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a 911, and Gentian Blue is now my #1 color candidate...
in fairness, in the 0-60 test, the S probably was trailing by more than 1 mph, by the looks of the analog speedos, about 4mph. Still basically nothing in it. But the refresh cycles on the digital speedos helped out the S, (the S had just refreshed the speed, the GTS had not).
According to the Nick's video it was 4 or 5 mph, which is significnt. This was also demonstrated during the dragrace - full car lenght till 60 mph is a lot and cannot be achieved with only 10-20hp difference as mentined by Nick. And no, I do not own any GTS - only 987.2 base Cayman and 944 turbo :) Interesting that Nick does not even notice handling differences, even though if nothing else, the GTS is on 21'' wheels vs 20'' on S. Seems that Nick simply does not like some GTS models. But I agree with him, that best value GTS models are 718, Panamera and Cayenne.
Still not worth paying an additional $10-15 grand for the GTS for most folks
Doing it for the people, cheers Nick 👍
Yeah, I have always been dubious of the value, and the "rigid" options glued to the vehicle. I would rather just build my S and call it a day. Know that resale is likely higher on the GTS, though, given it's "rarity". And if someone wants a GTS, they want a GTS.
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Great and entertaining video for me, Nick, even I would never buy Macan for myself. I hate SUVs. Keep on going like this. Cheers!
Best 911 Porsche channel ever somebody give this man more money
Acceleration at low speed is mostly determined by torque output. Power and gearing determine top speed. So without reading the specs I would guess the cars have similar torque output but the GTS does indeed have higher power. By way of example, a 2000 Audi RS4 has around 45% more power than a 2000 S4 but only 10% more torque. The RS4 only knocks around half a second (10%) off the 0-60 time.
Thank you for this, I didn't know there was this little difference. I'll definitely check out the macan s too, although I was leaning towards the f pace svr
The F-Pace SVR is a monster compared to the Macan!
Oh, this is brilliant. Thank you.
great review!