I like what you say. All in full detail that I was concerned with. Really easy to understand. Yes you do deserve thumbs up. I think controlling the boat saftly is better then speed. Like you said, extra people on the boat. Wakes, skiping across the water can be bad. Ballance and control of your boat is very important. Thank you for this video.
one of the best videos that actually could show me the difference, and convince me, that I need this plate, oh yes, after this video I know I really need this stingray plate, so I can have an easy time riding when I am alone in the boat
I have used a device similar to this and had very good results on my 140 HP ski boat, getting on plane quicker and increased stability in cornering. Why don't motor manufacturers use this concept in the design of their motors? It seems to me that they are missing the boat!
I agree James...my 18 ft ski boat with 140 HP came with one already on it and a few years later I decided to take it off just to see the difference. Boat took a lot longer to get on plane and as soon as I did get on plane I went straight back to the boat ramp and put it back on.
That's because there's more boat in the water now. More resistance will slow you down. If you were to cut a 1/2 inch off each side to make it a little narrower, you might get about the same results but pick up a little more top end speed. jakeguitar01
Fantastic upgrade to get the most out of your outboard engine. When I installed mine it helped dramatically with stabilization. It also allows you to get the front end rig the boat right up! Bunny hop action! Babsheeboatn’ baby! Oh Yah!
Mounted 2 of these to two VERY different boat setups. 16ft bassboat w 90hp Merc, and small boat w 15hp Evinrude. Eliminated bow rise and porposing in rough water and have much faster hole shots. All this even in a small boat with NO extra bow weight. I wouldn't put a boat in the water without one of these mounted.
Great job. Runs good after. Seemed to be exactly what you needed on the boat I've been thinking about getting one to help the hole shot and cruise on plane at lower speeds for our new custom gheenoe
Excellent i have had a 18foot ski boat and always wondered wether i should install one of these trim tabs on the motor now i will as my front comes up too high and want to lift the rear of the boat quicker and get better smoother ride and handling
I tried to put one on my 2006 15 hp mercury , but noticed the flushing port was above the prop and I couldn't attach my ear muffs to clean it out. I had a 2005 gheenoe years ago. Badass little boats
Sacrafice 2mph for safety is a good trade. I hate when the bow obscures vision. U should try putting a jet ski engine and propulsion on one ?😃 Would do well midship ?
It will give you more lift but will increase a lot more drag... I have found if you extend the anti-ventilation plate aprox 6 to 8 inches at the same width and thickness, it will give you more trim action with out increasing more drag.
Can I ask what horsepower your canoe is rated for? I have a Grumman 15’ square stern. It’s rated for 4hp. It handles a 6 fine but think a 15 would swamp it.
Changing the height and angle of the outboard would probably eliminate this problem. Most older outboards have a metal rod on the motor mount that will set your angle and riser blocks will change your height. Weighing down the front will also help ride quality in such a light boat.
Tyler Sabelko has nothing to do with the trim. I have electric trim and have tried my boat with and without Stingray. It has dramatically increased stabilization (on all trim settings) as well as made it effortless to get on plane.
Cool. Let us know how it works. What I do is take it off or leave it on depending on whether I am going out by myself or with someone else. By myself, I definitely need it, and with another person, its really not needed at all. Its optional...as long as you can put up with the boat slowing down. All in all a good product. It does what it says.
Thanks for the share. My 12' duraboat with 15hp merc has tremendous bow rise and no planing without my boy in the front. Engine tilted in as far as she'll go. Recommend? Still a little new to trimming.
+E. Squatch --> See if it's possible to raise up the whole engine. It's possible it's just too far into the water. They have engines with a short lower unit and ones with a long lower unit. Or you can just put one of these parts on your engine. They seem to work.
definitely, if it's peeling the motor plate to make the mount spot taller go for it! put that plate about 3/4 below hull line is usually about right. I used oak (1-1/4" taller), long screws and glue. 3 thick coats paint then slam the motor plate onto it's new taller home. if you have a long shaft engine yes find a short leg/shaft for it. long shaft are more typically sailboat pushers, so you'll likely need to swap prop along with. most transoms usually 15-1/2 to 16", or about 20". a sailboat pusher on a short transom is NOT a pretty situation!
Yes, we lost a few mph with this hydrofoil, so I decided to use it only when boating alone. As long as I have two people in the boat, its fine, because the guy in the front keeps the bow down. So, now I use the hydrofoil only when going out solo. Its easy to take on and off...
I put this on 17' deep V I/O ski boat. Popped right out of the water like never before. Then it flopped over on its side and turned hard. I got it to balance for a few seconds but I don't recommend these for deep V hulls.
If the motor height was set better you would not lose that speed. Here's what's happening; the motor is too low, applying too much rotational force to the boat and lifting the bow, you put the planing fin on there and counteracted that with a large amount of lift on the stern, trimmed very low and the fin angled down sharply to the rear.. Move the engine up, trim it up a notch so you use a smaller amount of lift and still have the same ride. When I used these I gained speed as it lifts the hull out of the water for less drag, yet giving more control to prevent chine walking and porpoising at 65mph in a 14.5' boat.
Cuando no tiene el alerón colocado, y la embarcación zapatea, sube y baja, el motor esta muy inclinado. Cuando se la ve navegar bien tiene el motor a 90 grados. Saludos desde Argentina.
@@aureliomartinez4927 se puede buscar con otra hélice ( de distinto paso, y mas o menos palas), la inclinación del motor y la altura del motor. Hace algunas décadas las helices para carreras eran de 2 palas. El paso puede ser 14, 17, etc, hay que probar. El motor se lo puede levantar, acercando la helice a la superficie, no mucho porque se no cavita, la helice queda en una burbuja de aire y no va. Y cuanto mas se inclina el motor, mas levanta el casco del agua, como haciendolo mas liviano, si te pasas de inclinación, zapatea, navega como si hubiera olas. El peso de la embarcación creo es mejor atras, a estribor,. Y combinar halice con atura de motor, mas cerca de la superficie, mas paso.Saludos desde Argentina.
Ignore the naysayers. In 50 years of knocking around in small boats with outboard motors from 5 to 90 HP, I've never seen one that couldn't be improved in almost every way by adding a hydrofoil. Better yet, they generally cost under $100 and take less than an hour to install. It's a no-brainer!
Yeah, probably right. Because of the length of the motor, the prop is sitting very low. Btw, the bow rise helped me out this past weekend, however. I took the hydrofoil off and two of us wend out in some pretty choppy water. I would have gone under if it weren't for the front end coming up high...
done it the "cheesy" way (cheap and easy) too, peeled the motor plate, sanded the top clean, glued+screwed oak to fit, replace motor plate. raised the outboard about 1.25" did wonders, initially it was 2" below hull line. near all the porpoising issue was solved, it was just too deep.
Not really, I got 14 feet Jonboat, 18 hp Tohatsu, and even with the motor tilted outwards all the holes, still the bow is sky high, unless I put some weight at the bow. Looking at the video, it is clear that stingray would help to ride alone easily, without any weight at the bow
much lighter weight engine (more appropriate!) with much lower initial thrust, matching power to hull is important. I've had that Johnson 6, great little OMC.
I am not so sure that would help but I would be willing to try switching props if I had another one. I really thought the boat slowing down was because there is just more of the boat in the water. In other words, the front of the boat is sitting lower in the water which is causing more resistance.
hydrofoil not need.. should have raised motor up to the cavitation plate to be just above bottom of boat also change to a 4 blade prop and this prop would be gone
Jakub J. Some have hogger hull speeds and are rated for bigger motors. A 15hp Geanoe isnt overkill if you're in open water. There's people that use them in the ocean and need the higher speed and power to go against current.
you should N E V E R hit your lower drive with a hammer like that IS SO STUPID!!!!! Just Drill, first with a smaller drill bite then use the one intended for the screw, but hitting your lower drive with a hammer???? CMON!!!! Dude you need real tools not Playskool tools......
I don't see any other way to do this, besides, he just lightly tapped it. Btw, I am looking forward to seeing your video on how to install the Stingray Hydrofoil. I'm really just excited to see your cavitation plate scratched up while the drill bit dances around your mark. Good luck steering strait when your hydrofoil is mounted crooked and your cavitation plate looks like swiss cheese!
Im not saying this video is completely fake, but the driver was making it porpoise like that deliberately at the beginning. That was not realistic at all. Later, after adding the hydrofoil, he didn't do that. If he had, it would porpoise the same way with the hydrofoil.
The boat was actually that bad. I wasn't making that happen at all. The only way I can take that boat out without the hydrofoil is if I have someone sitting in the front. Otherwise its just too impossible to ride. It pops up and the back of the boat goes under....
You could have added/moved more weight up front as well. Just saying. You have to try to get it to porpoise that bad by not balancing the weight, throttling, and timing the wake. I'm not saying it won't porpoise, but to get it to be that bad is something you have to try to make it do.
+free88 ---> The only way you are going to believe me is if you see it yourself. You shouldn't have to move 100+ pounds of unnecessary items to the front of the boat in order for it to ride flat. Trust me, I'm not making any of this up. It's not my first boat. And there are no wakes to speak of in the Florida everglades, especially 20 feet from the ramp. My gut feeling is that the motor length is a big part of the problem. Too much of the engine is in the water. Its a very light boat also. The boat's weight, the engine, plus the weight all the way in the back play a big part in the whole equation. Trimming the motor is no help either. I still take the boat out without the hydrofoil, but only when I have a passenger. The boat is faster without it...
I have a Gheenoe 15'4' myself, and have actually riden in two others. Ive been on one with F9.9 and one with a 2 stroke 15HP. Yours looks like a 15'4'. BTW, if it is a 15'4', 15HP exceeds the nameplate rating. I do believe you can make it porpoise that bad if you try. Adding the fin thing is one way to go. I am not saying it is not. It is a solution. Moving weight forward is also a solution. Trim tabs are also a solution. Other things can also help. Each have varying degrees of effectiveness and at different speeds, and often a combination of multiple improvements are needed to dial it in.
free88 From experience them hydrofoils do work in most applications. He has a 15 hp on a canoe which is not designed to plane. Don’t get me started on the anode instillation. I see where you’re coming from
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I like what you say. All in full detail that I was concerned with. Really easy to understand. Yes you do deserve thumbs up. I think controlling the boat saftly is better then speed. Like you said, extra people on the boat. Wakes, skiping across the water can be bad. Ballance and control of your boat is very important. Thank you for this video.
Thank you for watching. I just had the boat out today by myself and it handled great. I don't know what I would do without that spoiler.
one of the best videos that actually could show me the difference, and convince me, that I need this plate, oh yes, after this video I know I really need this stingray plate, so I can have an easy time riding when I am alone in the boat
Yeah, I have been using them for many years, and they really help any boat track better and get up on plane faster. Great video.
same
hands down the best vid at showing what it does
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I got same brand. I have a runabout, but the difference the whale tail made was absolutely astounding. Heck yeah they work!
I have used a device similar to this and had very good results on my 140 HP ski boat, getting on plane quicker and increased stability in cornering. Why don't motor manufacturers use this concept in the design of their motors? It seems to me that they are missing the boat!
I agree James...my 18 ft ski boat with 140 HP came with one already on it and a few years later I decided to take it off just to see the difference. Boat took a lot longer to get on plane and as soon as I did get on plane I went straight back to the boat ramp and put it back on.
Good vid, i just fitted one to my boat, have not water tested it yet...going tomorrow so keen to see the difference!
That Hydrofoil did a great job with your ride quality !
That's right. The Stingray classic junior worked great. It slowed my Gheenoe down a bit but, the boat is controllable now.
That's because there's more boat in the water now. More resistance will slow you down. If you were to cut a 1/2 inch off each side to make it a little narrower, you might get about the same results but pick up a little more top end speed. jakeguitar01
You know it. I know it. We all know it.
Fantastic upgrade to get the most out of your outboard engine. When I installed mine it helped dramatically with stabilization. It also allows you to get the front end rig the boat right up! Bunny hop action!
Babsheeboatn’ baby! Oh Yah!
Mounted 2 of these to two VERY different boat setups. 16ft bassboat w 90hp Merc, and small boat w 15hp Evinrude. Eliminated bow rise and porposing in rough water and have much faster hole shots. All this even in a small boat with NO extra bow weight.
I wouldn't put a boat in the water without one of these mounted.
Great job. Runs good after. Seemed to be exactly what you needed on the boat I've been thinking about getting one to help the hole shot and cruise on plane at lower speeds for our new custom gheenoe
they're great for knocking 2-3 mph off your slow planing speed
Weekend Pirate, it’s definitely a good upgrade.
Excellent i have had a 18foot ski boat and always wondered wether i should install one of these trim tabs on the motor now i will as my front comes up too high and want to lift the rear of the boat quicker and get better smoother ride and handling
I have a 70 horsepower Chrysler and it work great I would never have a boat without one
I tried to put one on my 2006 15 hp mercury , but noticed the flushing port was above the prop and I couldn't attach my ear muffs to clean it out. I had a 2005 gheenoe years ago. Badass little boats
Very nice video. I'm going to try it on my RIB which has row rising problem when I am going solo.
I works, but I think it will slow you down a bit.
So you lost a couple MPH of the top end of the boat, but really those were not usable MPHs, now you should be able to sustain higher actual speeds.
Very good made a big difference in all aspects.
Thanks for the video. Helped out a whole lot for my installation
You already showed me to install it on my motor. Thanks you
Thanks, this is the exact product and explanation I was looking for.
Sacrafice 2mph for safety is a good trade. I hate when the bow obscures vision. U should try putting a jet ski engine and propulsion on one ?😃
Would do well midship ?
I've already bought one....but haven't installed. thanks for tips.....ill use it all.
It did the same thing to my 15'4 Gheenoe! Awesome.
It will give you more lift but will increase a lot more drag... I have found if you extend the anti-ventilation plate aprox 6 to 8 inches at the same width and thickness, it will give you more trim action with out increasing more drag.
Great video, it was super helpful!
I'm gonna buy one for my 14ft aluminum.
Thanks, thumbs up!
tqvm for sharing the info bro...I m going to buy n fix it ASAP🤪👍👍👍
A very good editorial
Can I ask what horsepower your canoe is rated for? I have a Grumman 15’ square stern. It’s rated for 4hp. It handles a 6 fine but think a 15 would swamp it.
Great video dude. Is this a 15,4?
Changing the height and angle of the outboard would probably eliminate this problem. Most older outboards have a metal rod on the motor mount that will set your angle and riser blocks will change your height. Weighing down the front will also help ride quality in such a light boat.
Tyler Sabelko has nothing to do with the trim. I have electric trim and have tried my boat with and without Stingray. It has dramatically increased stabilization (on all trim settings) as well as made it effortless to get on plane.
Great video - gonna try it on my 15 foot boat with 10 hp engine... Thanks :-)
Cool. Let us know how it works. What I do is take it off or leave it on depending on whether I am going out by myself or with someone else. By myself, I definitely need it, and with another person, its really not needed at all. Its optional...as long as you can put up with the boat slowing down. All in all a good product. It does what it says.
I moved my has tank and battery to the front. That helped out a lot.
thinking about putting one on my 16ft bass tracker to stop the high end bounce
Awesome job on the installation explanation!
Thanks for the share. My 12' duraboat with 15hp merc has tremendous bow rise and no planing without my boy in the front. Engine tilted in as far as she'll go. Recommend? Still a little new to trimming.
+E. Squatch --> See if it's possible to raise up the whole engine. It's possible it's just too far into the water. They have engines with a short lower unit and ones with a long lower unit. Or you can just put one of these parts on your engine. They seem to work.
definitely, if it's peeling the motor plate to make the mount spot taller go for it! put that plate about 3/4 below hull line is usually about right. I used oak (1-1/4" taller), long screws and glue. 3 thick coats paint then slam the motor plate onto it's new taller home. if you have a long shaft engine yes find a short leg/shaft for it. long shaft are more typically sailboat pushers, so you'll likely need to swap prop along with. most transoms usually 15-1/2 to 16", or about 20". a sailboat pusher on a short transom is NOT a pretty situation!
Nice job. Such a great improvement for a couple of mph.
Yes, we lost a few mph with this hydrofoil, so I decided to use it only when boating alone. As long as I have two people in the boat, its fine, because the guy in the front keeps the bow down. So, now I use the hydrofoil only when going out solo. Its easy to take on and off...
what size bolts come with the hydrofoil
Not exactly sure. I think 1/4 in x 3/4 L in but please don't quote me on this.
I put this on 17' deep V I/O ski boat. Popped right out of the water like never before. Then it flopped over on its side and turned hard. I got it to balance for a few seconds but I don't recommend these for deep V hulls.
If the motor height was set better you would not lose that speed. Here's what's happening; the motor is too low, applying too much rotational force to the boat and lifting the bow, you put the planing fin on there and counteracted that with a large amount of lift on the stern, trimmed very low and the fin angled down sharply to the rear.. Move the engine up, trim it up a notch so you use a smaller amount of lift and still have the same ride.
When I used these I gained speed as it lifts the hull out of the water for less drag, yet giving more control to prevent chine walking and porpoising at 65mph in a 14.5' boat.
Cuando no tiene el alerón colocado, y la embarcación zapatea, sube y baja, el motor esta muy inclinado. Cuando se la ve navegar bien tiene el motor a 90 grados. Saludos desde Argentina.
yo tengo un de motor 25 hp en una lancha de 14 ' y solo da 8 millas como le ago para darle mas velocidad
@@aureliomartinez4927 se puede buscar con otra hélice ( de distinto paso, y mas o menos palas), la inclinación del motor y la altura del motor.
Hace algunas décadas las helices para carreras eran de 2 palas. El paso puede ser 14, 17, etc, hay que probar.
El motor se lo puede levantar, acercando la helice a la superficie, no mucho porque se no cavita, la helice queda en una burbuja de aire y no va. Y cuanto mas se inclina el motor, mas levanta el casco del agua, como haciendolo mas liviano, si te pasas de inclinación, zapatea, navega como si hubiera olas.
El peso de la embarcación creo es mejor atras, a estribor,.
Y combinar halice con atura de motor, mas cerca de la superficie, mas paso.Saludos desde Argentina.
muchas grasias lo voy aser comprare una elise mejor la mia es de aluminium y se mira maltrada
Ignore the naysayers. In 50 years of knocking around in small boats with outboard motors from 5 to 90 HP, I've never seen one that couldn't be improved in almost every way by adding a hydrofoil. Better yet, they generally cost under $100 and take less than an hour to install. It's a no-brainer!
Thanks looks like it will help on my 20 hp evenrude
Good review
Glad you enjoyed it
Using a jackplate without the hydrofoil, should give the same trim effect while maintaining and/or improving your speed.
Yeah, probably right. Because of the length of the motor, the prop is sitting very low. Btw, the bow rise helped me out this past weekend, however. I took the hydrofoil off and two of us wend out in some pretty choppy water. I would have gone under if it weren't for the front end coming up high...
done it the "cheesy" way (cheap and easy) too, peeled the motor plate, sanded the top clean, glued+screwed oak to fit, replace motor plate. raised the outboard about 1.25" did wonders, initially it was 2" below hull line. near all the porpoising issue was solved, it was just too deep.
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WRONG. Educate yourself on the PHYSICS OF THE TOPIC, rethink (using LOGIC this time) and THEN try to comment again.
We'll wait...
Not really, I got 14 feet Jonboat, 18 hp Tohatsu, and even with the motor tilted outwards all the holes, still the bow is sky high, unless I put some weight at the bow. Looking at the video, it is clear that stingray would help to ride alone easily, without any weight at the bow
Very interesting! Great vid as well.
Thanks. I have some others coming...
It probably slowed it down because more of the boats in the water like it should be rather than just the back
I have a 95 Gheenoe classic with a 1986 Johnson 6 hp seahorse. I don't need this garbage and my boat is always on plane at any speed.
much lighter weight engine (more appropriate!) with much lower initial thrust,
matching power to hull is important. I've had that Johnson 6, great little OMC.
Damn they really work
my boat is 27ft wuth 7foot wide, engine 115hp mercury.. can i use this?
yes...just buy the 1 rated for ur engine.
6 hp 4 strock loaded with two adults, full trotle sent on plane 12' porta bote
There was no HP power loss with the SE 200
Thats a hydrofoil, not a spoiler. It gets mounted to the cavitation plate, not the engine
if you go to a lower pitch prop it won't slow down so much you losing rpm with that thing on lower pitch prop will gain back lost rpm
I am not so sure that would help but I would be willing to try switching props if I had another one. I really thought the boat slowing down was because there is just more of the boat in the water. In other words, the front of the boat is sitting lower in the water which is causing more resistance.
Decrease your speed...that coz people made surface drive for cut water when top speed
it is working
Is Harley Gheen still alive and kicking?
Meleagris Gallopavo, Sr. No he passed away in 2014 I believe
What does the zink anod do?
It prevents corrosion on the engine.
nattsurfaren The anode stops corrosion caused by electrolysis. However it won’t work properly with a coat of paint between it and the outboard.
Electrolysis it's designed to rust out before the aluminum does.
with a hydrofoil (se 200) jou wil go faster
i have a vise
hydrofoil not need.. should have raised motor up to the cavitation plate to be just above bottom of boat also change to a 4 blade prop and this prop would be gone
It's called a anti-ventilation plate not a cavitation plate..
Damn.... He just change sittiing potision.
I was thinking the same thing get a tiller extension and sit up closer to the bow.
go to 5 minutes.
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15HP for canoe? You should buy new BRAIN, not "stabilizer"...
New brain costs much more than stabilizer. I only had $50 that day.
Dude, you don't like things that go fast?
I likt it, but SAFETY first place!
Its a gheenoe not really a canoe
Jakub J. Some have hogger hull speeds and are rated for bigger motors. A 15hp Geanoe isnt overkill if you're in open water. There's people that use them in the ocean and need the higher speed and power to go against current.
you should N E V E R hit your lower drive with a hammer like that IS SO STUPID!!!!! Just Drill, first with a smaller drill bite then use the one intended for the screw, but hitting your lower drive with a hammer???? CMON!!!! Dude you need real tools not Playskool tools......
I don't see any other way to do this, besides, he just lightly tapped it. Btw, I am looking forward to seeing your video on how to install the Stingray Hydrofoil. I'm really just excited to see your cavitation plate scratched up while the drill bit dances around your mark. Good luck steering strait when your hydrofoil is mounted crooked and your cavitation plate looks like swiss cheese!
Im not saying this video is completely fake, but the driver was making it porpoise like that deliberately at the beginning. That was not realistic at all. Later, after adding the hydrofoil, he didn't do that. If he had, it would porpoise the same way with the hydrofoil.
The boat was actually that bad. I wasn't making that happen at all. The only way I can take that boat out without the hydrofoil is if I have someone sitting in the front. Otherwise its just too impossible to ride. It pops up and the back of the boat goes under....
You could have added/moved more weight up front as well. Just saying. You have to try to get it to porpoise that bad by not balancing the weight, throttling, and timing the wake. I'm not saying it won't porpoise, but to get it to be that bad is something you have to try to make it do.
+free88 ---> The only way you are going to believe me is if you see it yourself. You shouldn't have to move 100+ pounds of unnecessary items to the front of the boat in order for it to ride flat. Trust me, I'm not making any of this up. It's not my first boat. And there are no wakes to speak of in the Florida everglades, especially 20 feet from the ramp. My gut feeling is that the motor length is a big part of the problem. Too much of the engine is in the water. Its a very light boat also. The boat's weight, the engine, plus the weight all the way in the back play a big part in the whole equation. Trimming the motor is no help either. I still take the boat out without the hydrofoil, but only when I have a passenger. The boat is faster without it...
I have a Gheenoe 15'4' myself, and have actually riden in two others. Ive been on one with F9.9 and one with a 2 stroke 15HP. Yours looks like a 15'4'. BTW, if it is a 15'4', 15HP exceeds the nameplate rating. I do believe you can make it porpoise that bad if you try. Adding the fin thing is one way to go. I am not saying it is not. It is a solution. Moving weight forward is also a solution. Trim tabs are also a solution. Other things can also help. Each have varying degrees of effectiveness and at different speeds, and often a combination of multiple improvements are needed to dial it in.
free88 From experience them hydrofoils do work in most applications. He has a 15 hp on a canoe which is not designed to plane. Don’t get me started on the anode instillation. I see where you’re coming from
this video is fake,hydrofoil not need this boats!
+Florin Mosu ---Really? Thanks.