Wish I had seen this video about 15 years ago. I couldn't figure out why my jet ski started porpoising. Eventually I was figured out some of the mounting screws on the front intake grate had worked loose causing the intake grate to drop down during operation, dragging in the water and creating ventilation. A couple new screws and some locktite made it a cheap fix but it scared me for while as a couple mechanics looked at it and couldn't figure it out. I can attest, your video is very informative and useful and will make someones life easier when they understand what is going on with their craft
Beginning of 2022 summer boat sat in the water for a month before I got to use it. Even with a freshly painted anti-fouling drive and props I had tons of growth. The barnacles and other growths limited the boat to 2800 RPM only. I was also running hot as the barncles made their way into thie water inlet. Took the boat out of the water took the drive off cleaned everything off prep and repainted and fixed all my issues.
Good Video, One of the Better Explanations of Cavitation. 46 yrs ago I noticed the Paint and later the Metal on our Boat's Prop burning away, right at the Front Blade where the Blade Met the Hub. I was a Teen at the Time but I had read about Cavitation Burn, and figured that was was it was. It was one of the Old OMC V4s with an Itty Bitty Gearcase with Props that were smaller than the Props they put on the their 40hp, and 33hp engines. Almost no Gear Reduction in the Gear Case; 23:20. at those rotational speeds I'm certain the Blades had serious Cavitation Trails behind them. in 1969, OMC upgraded their Gearcases, and Prop Designs and were Equal to what Mercury had been using for about a Decade
Thank you for your video!!! I've been boating for 13 years now and have never thought about it until I saw your video. I'll be inspecting my prop often. Again, Thanks!
When the pressure, at any point on or near the prop, drops below the vapor pressure of water at its current temperature, the water boils; creating water vapor, not air. When the water vapor bubble moves to an area of pressure greater than the vapor pressure, it collapses. That collapse acts like a tiny shape charge and creates pressures near 100,000 psi. This is well above the strength of steel and aluminum, meaning both are going to start pitting.
Searched your channel a while back to help me figure out issues with my boat...Found a hook in my hull which was causing the bow to ride really low above 3/4 throttle, and I couldn't correct for it because when I would trim up, the prop would ventilate and become worse... thankfully I have an aluminum boat and was able to reshape the metal so the hook is about 90% gone and now I can run wide open, full RPMs with no issues...about to install setback/jackplate to get my engine in some cleaner water to really improve the performance...can you do a video explaining how setback effects boats? Your channel has helped me tremendously. Keep it up.
Thanks for doing the research and then giving it to us. I had just bought a Suzuki DF200A for my Grady White Escape 209. I did my own installation. I mounted it according to the information that I had gleaned off of the internet and initially it ran very well. The problem was that once I started to turn, it ventilated. I couldnt correct with trim. I would straighten it out and the speed would increase nicely and the fuel economy would go up accordingly. But those turns. I pulled the boat and dropped it down 2 holes on the mounting bracket. The next test showed that I had found the sweet spot. The boat lost about 2 mph in top end but it would keep pushing in clean water throughout the turns.
I intentionally raised the height of the outboard on my fishing boat. I was set so low that I had a spray of water back into the boat. Now with it properly installed I can get ventilation only when on a very sharp turn, I have to be trying to do this to make it happen. However the installation of the jack-plate and raising the outboard has paid off in more speed, better fuel economy,and no water spraying back into the boat.
My first boat back in the 80's suffered from ventilation because the outboard was too short for the transom. It would rev up when I turned unless I did so very slowly. I ended up putting a different outboard on it.
Buy and mount an SE Sport 300 hydrofoil. Best upgrade you’ll ever do! All these issues will completely go away. Check out reviews on it. 15 years running and still 100% satisfied!!!
BAB University! thanks for all the content. I am currently searching for a new aluminum frame trailer for my boat, a Nitro Bay 2200. I think a great video you can do is on how to size the correct trailer for boats. The trailer my boat has is not fitted for it, it only works. So when I am loading it I have to be really careful so that I don't damage the hull. It takes me about 15 min to get everything right before I can leave the lake. I'm sure I shouldn't be using it but I've had it for 1 year and only have used it 5 times because I usually dont have time lol. IOWs, the urge to go fishing beats me. Thank you for all the content you provide bud! 👍
Propping a boat just right is really a tricky business. You watch videos, use prop calculation formulas and stuff like that but that really just provides a starting point about which prop to try. I adjust boat load balance, change props, vary the engine height, put on a hydrofoil and keep running the boat at my best cruising speed in choppy seas until it feel right and mpg are good. Also check that the engine can attain full rpm at WOT to prevent engine labouring which shortens its life. When the boat runs right I dont know exactly why it runs right, it was the product of a little theory and science and a lot of trail and error. It helps a lot if you have a prop shop that lets you try out props and change them without having to buy a bunch of props to find the right setup. Then when you buy another boat you can do it all again, if you're a prop perfectionist that is.
Modern stainless steel propellers can be rebuilt, repitched,, more or less cup added or taken away by a competent propellor shop usually far cheaper than purchasing a new stainless steel prop. Unless the pitch selection is grossly ( more than 2-3 degrees) out of parameter. Aluminum propellers are usually cheaper to replace but, it would still not hurt to do a little talking to a repair facility before making the decision to replace a propeller. A good quality stainless propeller for most larger engines ( 90 hp and up) usually are in the $600-900 dollar range or more depending on brand. Just an old man thinking out loud.
I Was having the ventilation issue P.O had motor bolted as high as it would go, dropped down one hole and gained 300 rpm. Stopped having that slipping feeling. Great video Thanks
I'm experiencing Ventilation at the moment with my Tinny after raising the motor up at the back, but I was calling it Cavitation until I learned the difference. LOL!
Lucky you 😂, mine comes with something like a stick/rod with a slab like thing at the end. Been beating the water with it but it never goes any faster. Sorry for the late reply, been off grid since COVID emerged.
We have a pontoon boat with 150 hp Mercury. It will periodically ventilate . It seems like we get a lot of "splash" back fhere when it does that and it will do it even when engine is trimmed all the way down. I have to throttle down and thrn it works OK. Happens most often at about half throttle.
A couple months ago I purchased a 2004 Nitro 929 cdx , when the old owner took me out on the lake he tried to explain to back off at a certain point and hit the throttle again. I tried to recreate his throttling to get it up on plane , took me for ever. I could hear and feel the prop spin but not bite for the hole shot. He suggested dropping the mount one more hole, I just couldn't understand a almost 20 year old boat and no one had done this as yet. I noticed 3 holes at the back of the prop and remembered an article I had read. One hole had a rubber grommet with the center open, I had read some thing about a Merc Tempest design and grommets. I called a Marina explained the spin , they told me to stop by for some more grommets it's getting to much air. I placed two that fully closed the other holes. The 225 horse just bucked an took off like a bat outta heck. It has worked so far , a 12 dollar fix... I hope is all.
Excellent video...I just went over this 3 weeks ago with a group of 25...cavitation only comes off the back side of the prop blades...it will boil the water...ABYC has an excellent course on props....
Excellent video of explanation without getting too scientific 👌 small Knicks in the prop can also gather enough oxygen molecules to create bubbles before the prop thus creating a higher pressure system, therefore, Cavitation. But this video will educate most and it explains everything for the average boaty 👍
pardon me? lol your argument is self defeating. The vaporization of water produces an air bubble. Same concept happens in your hand when you stretch your joints apart, the noise you hear, the "crack" is a cavitation. (nitrogen)
@@MapSpawn Go take a science class. On a large scale, try breathing that cavitated "air" bubble. You will drown! It is actually saturated steam when it flashes.
Thanks for making this video! I am driving a 24’ sterndrive bay liner cabin cruiser with a powerful 160lb thrust 48V trolling motor. It has a very long shaft and is sitting in water below the deadrise aft of the transom. The trolling motor pushes really hard and I think a combination of high thrust and low advance through wake (max speed is 3.6kn at 2400W) and lots of disorganized water flow detachment at the end of the hull in displacement mode is causing ventilation. It’s a very distinct glurp sound when it occurs.
My neighbour had a 23 ft very deep V boat with a 260 hp stern drive, full of fuel and 2 people with not much else, it would not take full throttle, would get to 19 knots and not plane, it got cavitation, not aeration, and vibrate really bad, we changed props but it still had the same problem. I can't remember the brand, but it was like a 1984 24 degree boat that handled really bad in waves and when someone moved from one side to the other.
On my last outing offshore I went out fine. But was venting or cavitating on the way in. At first I thought it was sargasso weeds and cleared it a few times but then I was in clean water and it was bad all the way in. Then in the canal everything was okay. I was really confused, I am going back to the boat today and look at my gear oil, and prop conditions and the points you mention in this video, and run it again to see if I can figure this out.I decided it’s an older prop and the combination of a transducer and the prop aging and minor damage in a certain sea condition was bringing it on. Hopefully I’ll figure it out.
I noticed cavitation on my ski boat. I get vibrations and the pitch of the engine changes. I also see the little implosions on the leading edge of my rudder. I noticed the cavitation happening when I start to ride on some light crests. Ski boats are just not made for rough water.
I feel this on our 38ft when it has a lot of barnacles on the hull. On a low speed there is no much affect, but when we are on a high speed the RPM will just go high and the movement of the boat was slow.
The air bubbles you mentioned are actually water vapour bubbles,as a result of the boiling water because of the low pressure. It is not possible for air to reach there. The fast cutting of the prop makes a cavity in the water inducing the mentioned effect therefore the phenomenon is named cavitation.
I also wanted to add that steam bubbles don’t pop, they condense back into water. Steam at atmospheric pressure takes up 1700x the volume that water does so you can imagine the violent nature of forming and collapsing!
This video is amazing! Very informative. I was actually just browsing through boat videos and this came up. My brothers boat now that it was mentioned ether has the prop spinning on the splines or ventilation.
Cavitation is cause by pulling a vacuum in the water NOT boiling. Any prop or even the hull moving though the water fast enough will cause pulling a vacuum, you can do this by slamming the top of a glass water bottle, the cavitation will be cause by the bottle moving away fast enough from the water. (also the water filling the vacuum causes the damage and breaks the bottle)
I work on my friends wave runner every once in a while. Trying to explain cavitation and why it’s not a good idea to start in shallow water or run it onto the beach with the motor on was a long conversion.
I am so glad I stumbled upon this interesting video, just a pity you didn't complete it. IE How to fix problems - I have a huge problem with ventilation and, not cavitation as I just learned. It is really bad, I suspect that the motor is mounted too high. Where can I find more info on how high the anti-ventilation plate must be from the bottom of the hull? I mounted rubber/plastic skimmers on the ventilation plate but this seems to make it even worse as it lifts the motor up out of the water, the prop then literally runs just underneath the surface of the water level. The second problem that may be related to this is when I pull away the nose of the boat wants to lift up. I have an Infanta 6,5m rubber duct with a 75Hp Honda marine motor on. The boat was a factory build Infanta by Honda Knysna, South Africa.
I have a 1994 trophy series bayliner 2002 I have to take up a 200 yard area across a river to make a turn at full throttle. Even then it did this . It takes the boat over 100 yards to plain out . I have never owned a boat that stands up so far in the front and takes so long to plain out . I think there is something wrong with the power of the motor . It's like it's worn out but I was told it has 130 lbs of compression on each cylinder. I hope to figure these things out soon , just got the boat a week ago .
Awesome stuff.....having a ventilation prob, engine kept having a short rev burst every once in a while.... .scared me to death, now i know, so thank you.
I think you described exactly what may be happening with mine, sometimes when circling the lake I feel loss of power and vibration through out the pontoon and when I ese off the throttle it goes away? I have noticed a few nicks on my prop but the local mechanic told me it is fine.
So I'm having ventilation troubles now and I think you just solved it. I have big gap Infront of prop and gases are coming out there. I'll fix that and try it.
Thanks for this video. I hit something last season that didn't cause immediate issues, but the next time we went out my RPM was high and our power/speed was low. I've changed the hub and had a few mechanics look at it. It seems like something is slipping but we cannot find the issue. I plan to look into this as a possible cause. Thanks again.
Hi Tom. Pull the prop and draw a line with a felt marker across the front of the hub and prop and reinstall it and try it out. After running it for a bit, pull the prop again and inspect the lines. If they are out of alignment, you'll know your hub is slipping as the marks should stay lined up.
Having a Collection of Props can serve the ultimate and entire purpose. A ski boat configuration would likely and simply call for the Generic Stock (comes with) prop. A twisted Up SS Chopper will get u up the top speed once the hull and the RPM sync. (that will never be a Hole Shot prop config) so it really depends. One thing is certain, there's a lot of Over Powered Boats out there. That, is a #1 reason for porpose. I installed a 50 gal. gas tank in the nose of a V bottom J-Craft. I got pictures of it "One Hand on the wheel" air borne and planning off of One Prop Blade. 30 foot high rooster and walking a little sideways. Oh...that was a cleaver Prop. Al cleaver is designed specifically to meet the needs of a heavy Inboard or inboard outboard. so....with all that weight in the nose to keep her balanced coupled with the lifting action of a cleaver, voila flat, raised up and flying. J-Craft bought the photo 1985. a 175 merc Heads shaved 20 th. aviation fuel. 76mph. 17 ft dual rideguide (Necessity or Mech)
What you're describing is the relationship between the center of gravity and the center of hydrodynamic pressure on the hull. Power has nothing to do with it.
new to me 1994 20 foot pontoon, it cavitates to me, but i think its the inner water flow of the pontoons hitting the short transume pontoon just before the motor platte. Motor is max down in the water based on the tilt trim motor,. Just hitting other boat wakes makes it rev up and slow down. It has a new direct evinrude propellar. going to check out shaft length and motor height on the transum.
I thought I had a spun hub, was getting the surge in RPM and loss of forward momentum. So I replaced the prop and hub. Old prop was a pressed in style, I switched to an RBX hub. First trip out with new prop and still wound up with surging RPM/loss of speed. It only happened at 3000+ rpm. Decrease the throttle and regain momentum and throttle back up. It would do it just going straight, so it wasn’t like turning or any other water direction changes (I.e. wake chop from passing boat) was always present…EDIT. I figured I’d include my setup.. 24’ pontoon with a 115 Evinrude. No jack plate, engine in lowest trim setting. Running a 13-7/8”17 pitch prop. One prop is SS with pressed hub other is Aluminum with RBX.
Listen to what he says about the ring between the gear case and the prop. I just bought a boat that should be going almost 40 miles an hour and is only going 31 at 6200 RPMs due to the propeller bore sleeve not being there. Most outboards come with these from factory. It’s a $5 part that makes all the difference
VERY INTERESTING! I just put a riser bracket on the back of my 11' tinny so the Cavitation Plate on my 5hp outboard is level with the back of the boat. It flies when on plane with the weight distributed in the boat properly BUT Ventilates when you try to turn. Seeing this Video where you say any obstruction may cause Air bubbles has made me realise I didn't take into consideration the Rib that runs down the centre of the boat hull underneath. The plate is level with the flat of the hull but higher than the Rib down the centre. I think when I turn Im getting air off the Rib that makes the motor ventilate.
what a coincident i stumble on this vid. was just on the water & prop was loosing grip every 30 sec @ wot. truned out to be the bouncing from very choppy conditions.
The only time this happens on my boat is when I'm think I need to have. My problem remain a factor. It's a stainless steel crop the first time ever own and one of those My other 2 votes had the aluminum.
Up here in the great lakes region cavitation most likely caused by zebra mussels on the hull That’s why for fun I wash hulls most owners are impressed with how much fuel economy they gain and top and speed with a clean hull
Hey Aaron, my problem is when I turn too hard I get ventilation. Not sure why my anti ventilation plate rides right on top of the water when running and planed out. But when turning hard port or starboard it sucks in air. I have tried different angles of trim but no luck. Any thing you can help me with would be greatly appreciated. Another great video with all kinds of useful information. Thanks 👍😎🌴. Be safe out there.
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yes, i see it every day... i get these customers that think I'm trying to rip them off when i recommend a prop repair or replacement.... the boat moves when they put it in gear, obviously I'm full of shit.
1st day on the water with a Tracker Grizzly 1860 cc and a 90 hp merc. Getting ventilation and cavitation but at different trims and rpms. Can't plane the boat. Could it be a large transducer too close to the prop?
YES !! I had my prop stolen.off my boat and I didn't no the size that was on my outboard now my new prop.is crap and constantly blows air wish I knew were to start size wise
When measuring the location cavitation plate to the bottom of the boat where should the trim of the motor be set? ie All the way down/in or should it be trimmed up some and how much?
Yes 9.9 Johnson with flat bottom boat ... we started out from dock ...then when I throttled up boat barley moved noticed lots of bubbles trailing in wake was like something was holding us back ... this was on a power plant lake where the water temperature was probably 75° or higher I just thought maybe it was the temperature of the water that was the cause of that reaction it never happened to me before on other lakes???
Technically sound information. Most people do not know the huge difference between cavitation and ventilation. Cavitation in liquids is the formation of tiny voids of the gas phase of the liquid suspended in the liquid itself. This phenomenon is commonly called "boiling". Boiling water "bubbles" on the surface of your prop seems ridiculous, right? Where's the heat source? Boiling is a pressure difference phenomenon, not a heat phenomenon. The tiny, extremely short lived "boiling water bubbles" created by the propeller are formed from massive local pressure differences in front of and behind the prop. Water pumps are subject to the same cavitation phenomenon. Maintenance on big ship propellers (also called screws) is mainly a fight against cavitation damage on the screw. Another thing most don't know is that ultrasonic cleaning is actually using high frequency transducers to form cavitation "bubble sites" on the object to be cleaned in the tank. In all cases, these little bubbles of low pressure water vapor violently implode on themselves as the trapped vapor condenses back to a liquid. This can do severe damage over time. Everyday examples: Cavitation is boiling. Ventilation is like putting a straw into a glass of water and using the air in your lungs to blow air bubbles into the water.
I’m having a lot of issues with a boat and getting the correct propeller. To start off, I have a 19’ bowrider with a 150 4 stroke. I started off with a 19 pitch mercury black max. It was over reviving at top speed 52mph and the boat was also hard to control. It would chine walk at WOT. Then I got a black max 21 pitch and the prop would feel like it was slipping. I second guessed myself and thought I might have forgot to tighten the nut! Next I purchased a 19 pitch Michigan wheel Apollo 3 blade. I had no issues with slipping but the chine walking returned at wide open throttle. I got a deal on a high five 21 pitch and figured I’d give it a shot. I tried it out today and the prop feels like it’s slipping again. If I punch it, the engine over revs. I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle here. Im also wondering if my engine is too high but it’s mounted as low as it can be and the ventilation plate is about an inch above the bottom of the hull. Any help would be greatly appreciated!
Great content, I watch every video. I just have a question for you if you are on the market to purchase a center console from 1998 to 2010 from 26 ft to 30 ft which one would buy?
Also a money pit cos as soon as something gets "marine standard" label it shoots up in price !!!! The same, identical stainless steel items bought from ironmonger cost a fraction of the price. Not to mention the "marine" mechanics.
I have twin 200 ox66 starboard engine has cavitation at over 35mph in a chop and have to stop boat to regain grip it will not regain grip unless boat is stopped
Had an Evinrude 150 plastic snap ring that goes into the lower unit was missing and I was getting cavitation exhaust through in around propeller took a while to figure out a 10 dollar part keep me from moving
any chance you could share a photo. I have a 150HP johnson that has been been giving me cavitation issues for 3 years now and I am losing my mind. thanks
Nice video. I always get a vibration when I try to accelerate too hard or have a bunch of people on the boat. I always contributed it to cavitation, but to be honest, not really sure. It feels like the prop is trying to bite, but can’t quite get it. Like peeling out in a car. I have to slow my acceleration or reduce the load on the prop/engine.
This is why there are jack plates and "trim." Point being when you "launch"(through propulsion) the bow will rise and stern will fall making for an enormous amount of stress on the transom. Anything that levels the boat("on plane") is what solves this problem which using a modern outboard motor means an engine that can create its own trim upon launch be being at the greatest depth and narrowest distance from the transom. Another way to tackle this issue is by the use of an "Armstrong bracket" which simply moves the engine(s) further back which whilst creating more stress also creates creates better trim simply by adding length to your hull. Point being there are only two speeds on a boat namely A:trolling speed(the most important) when you want a hull to naturally be on the level and B: "on plane" speed when the forward velocity is sufficient to cause your hull and motor to ride upon the surface of the water where there is less surface tension to have had need breaking apart in order dramatically reduce friction and promote stability and control.
Hey thanks. This particular boat is an I/O, so a jack plate or Armstrong bracket wouldn’t work. (Both of which I had to google by the way) However, this sounds like something a set of trim tabs could help by pushing the haul on plane faster and with less effort?
now I don't have to many brain cells but I've always wondered how you don't cut your feet of when climbing down the ladder on the back. do you have to wait for the propellers to stop spinning?
At 5:17 you mean vapor bubbles (steam), not air bubbles. And they "implode" not explode when pressure forces those vapor bubbles to collapse back to liquid, effectively making a micro water jet. In the same way that an industrial water jet cutter can cut through metal, so do the imploding vapor bubbles when they collapse near the propeller.
new prop or old, one of the primary symptoms of cavitation is Porpoising. In the 80's the Sidewinder and the Hydrostream hull configs. were prone to porpoise ( a veritable Pain in the neck ride) A cruising speed 3/4's she'd rise up and down and make u seas sick. At Flat Out the helm would be something you'd need to put your whole body weight on and when u did hold her fast, she'd start walking side ways. Now the Cleaver prop was specifically designed for a heavy stern drive of Inboard, somehow the Cleaver acted to Lift up the rear, when the rear of the boat was being lifted by the cleaver you could apply Less trim. The boat would run perpendicular to the lake and the stern would lift out of the water and yes you'd have to Hang on to that wheel never look to one side cause yer sunglasses would fly off and your first impulse is to try and catch 'em. But u let go of the wheel and your outboard engine would spin and yer right ear would be taking on water. Not that this ever happened to me...at 83mph
problem on those streams was inexperience and poor setup ...proper setup and those issues were very minimal and driver skill is needed to go fast in those boats...lol
Boiling air bubbles? Cavitation is a partial vacuum. the fact that we are beyond the boiling point of water in this low pressure state is irrelevant in my opinion but I can be wrong on that last point
Thanks for the great video! How will I know if my engine is mounted too high? What are the clear signs that the propeller is getting air, even a little bit?
The props ony my 16' skiff and 10ft jon boat cavitate, and my 14ft jon boat ventilates due to damage to the lower unit, im fixing that in a few minutes. Im going to run the cavitating props until I get problems that interfere with my boating. I love my omc 6hp
I cannot prove but I suspect that my used boat was ventilating due to combination of aftermarket hydrofoil that curved downwards in combination with short, damaged skeg. Removed hydrofoil and fixed skeg. Back to normal.
Just gotta say there were some funky noises in this audio recording at least for me, I kept thinking I was hearing something outside and had to rewind the video.
Just bought a 1985 bayliner Capri with a Volvo penta engine. I’ve been rewiring a lot and getting things to work. Next step is to put it in the water and see what happens. I’m kind of worried I’m going to have some kind of issue like this. Crossing my fingers
How do you know what is the right prop for your boat? For example, one day in the future I plan on building a boat from a haul. If I put a modern outboard with an engine platform on the back of a center console, how would I know what size, pitch and blade count is best, or where to start?
Ventilation yes, cavitation no, but a marina guy called it cavitation. Boat is going full throttle and suddenly sounds like prop slip and loses speed I have to back off the throttle and take off again and it won't do it again until I hit full throttle for a ways and then it does it all over again. He said toss weight in the front
I thought my 25 hp had spun a prop so l replaced it from a 11npitch to a 13 pitch and it seems to do the same thing as the 11 Pitch. I haven't marked either to check if they're actually spinning or if l have a drive gear issue.
I couldn’t understand why I was having quite violent ventilation issues on my twin hill boat I tried a hydrofoil plate but that created spray, loss of power also I finally realize that the motor should be slightly lower in the boat which is too much of a hassle so as it works fine fully down that’s where it’s staying 😢
I’m a newer boat captain been a sub for awhile.... thanks again for your time and effort as to your knowledge. I have a marine 115 outbound I’m loosing forward momentum intermittently. The engine rpm is clean smooth running... I’ll pop it neutral put it back into gear and away I go again. Is this the above topic? New captain here don’t want to sink. :) tnx
@@chrish5096 - thanks for the reply, the hub and splines are perfect no worn parts. When the engine is off and you turn the prop there’s lots of tension. Pop it in neutral it spins freely. When the engine is idling you can rest a beer can on top and it won’t shake off. Idk stuck in a swamp here. :)
@@mralien4710 That's pretty weird, I'm not any sort of expert on the topic, I was just throwing out the possibility of a spun prop because I've had that happen to me multiple times before. Weird for sure
When running in the ocean the waves lift my skiff and occasionally my prop ventilates and I lose forward momentum. Remember my boat is a Simmons, it has a well for the outboard and there is flotation beside and aft of the motor.
Hi, I really enjoy your vids. I’ve learned a few things, thank you! I’ve had some terrible ventilation on brand new Solas props when I’ve gotten into very choppy churned up water. It also happened during a rally where a lot of boats were going into a channel causing a lot of foam. But I think that’s probably normal. They otherwise run great.
Hi guys I’m a new subscriber. I have a 2000 Grady white 226. I just got her home yesterday I had a shop install an aluminum floatable offshore bracket, fiberglass the back up, install new 2021 Yamaha 250 4 stroke motor we also cut out the back compartments and made the back bigger for fishing room. We also installed a below deck fish box custom. I took the boat out today for my first time with all the new upgrades and it seems like the rear end is sucking down and I need to go over 3500 RPM with the motor trim down just to get going. It has less power than I used to have with my original set up which did not have the offshore bracket and had a 3.3 vs the 4.2l motor that I have now. I watched a couple of your videos and it looks like there could be several different possible problems. Where can I post a couple of pictures for you and your members to see and maybe give me an idea of what could be wrong. I feel like when I am driving the boat the motor is too low in the water, the water level is almost up to the lower cowling I’m getting a lot of splash back as well/rooster tails. Also another thing I noticed is when I am just going slow the front of the boat feels a lot closer to the water which is weird I would think the back would be lower with all the new weight in there. We did move the two batteries up in the front cabin. Overall I had a lot of work done on the boat. Thank you I appreciate any suggestions or help.
@@guillermoperea2702 73K. It started as 55K ( Just the new motor with all misc parts roughly 27+K) for everything with 2021 Yamaha 250 all-new wiring and all. but then I found out that a lot of items had the letters TBD ( to be discussed) I was not aware of that. We shook hands at the $55K number then I got a bill for $80 + Thousand and blow a gasket. After going back a forth we settled at $73K The price includes all custom transom and cutting out the compartments in the back, new batteries relocated to front, custom large insulated below deck fish box, etc. Honestly, if I know it was going to be this much, I would have just bought a brand new boat. The good news is that I built a custom boat that fits my needs and is now a fish-killing machine. Also, everything That was installed was all good quality material no cheap parts which also added to the final bill.
@@silverbull2932 dam I have a 28 footer WA with an inboard, was planning to remove the inboard and install a 250 with a bracket. Was just planing to spend about 35 thousand, but I might change my mind I can get a brand new 25 foot center console with a brand new 250 for 70000.
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Wish I had seen this video about 15 years ago. I couldn't figure out why my jet ski started porpoising. Eventually I was figured out some of the mounting screws on the front intake grate had worked loose causing the intake grate to drop down during operation, dragging in the water and creating ventilation. A couple new screws and some locktite made it a cheap fix but it scared me for while as a couple mechanics looked at it and couldn't figure it out. I can attest, your video is very informative and useful and will make someones life easier when they understand what is going on with their craft
Beginning of 2022 summer boat sat in the water for a month before I got to use it. Even with a freshly painted anti-fouling drive and props I had tons of growth. The barnacles and other growths limited the boat to 2800 RPM only. I was also running hot as the barncles made their way into thie water inlet. Took the boat out of the water took the drive off cleaned everything off prep and repainted and fixed all my issues.
Good Video, One of the Better Explanations of Cavitation. 46 yrs ago I noticed the Paint and later the Metal on our Boat's Prop burning away, right at the Front Blade where the Blade Met the Hub. I was a Teen at the Time but I had read about Cavitation Burn, and figured that was was it was. It was one of the Old OMC V4s with an Itty Bitty Gearcase with Props that were smaller than the Props they put on the their 40hp, and 33hp engines. Almost no Gear Reduction in the Gear Case; 23:20. at those rotational speeds I'm certain the Blades had serious Cavitation Trails behind them. in 1969, OMC upgraded their Gearcases, and Prop Designs and were Equal to what Mercury had been using for about a Decade
Thank you for your video!!! I've been boating for 13 years now and have never thought about it until I saw your video. I'll be inspecting my prop often. Again, Thanks!
I like the demonstration of the prop on a rope going up and down. Crude simple but very effective to show how good these things lock into the water
I am a older boater and I still keep learning things about boating from this channel ,I think I need a new prop.
When the pressure, at any point on or near the prop, drops below the vapor pressure of water at its current temperature, the water boils; creating water vapor, not air. When the water vapor bubble moves to an area of pressure greater than the vapor pressure, it collapses. That collapse acts like a tiny shape charge and creates pressures near 100,000 psi. This is well above the strength of steel and aluminum, meaning both are going to start pitting.
Searched your channel a while back to help me figure out issues with my boat...Found a hook in my hull which was causing the bow to ride really low above 3/4 throttle, and I couldn't correct for it because when I would trim up, the prop would ventilate and become worse... thankfully I have an aluminum boat and was able to reshape the metal so the hook is about 90% gone and now I can run wide open, full RPMs with no issues...about to install setback/jackplate to get my engine in some cleaner water to really improve the performance...can you do a video explaining how setback effects boats? Your channel has helped me tremendously. Keep it up.
we usually trim the outboard down when turning sharply, usually with water skiers to prevent cavitation
in that case, it is to prevent ventilation of the prop! not cavitation :-)
Thanks for doing the research and then giving it to us. I had just bought a Suzuki DF200A for my Grady White Escape 209. I did my own installation. I mounted it according to the information that I had gleaned off of the internet and initially it ran very well. The problem was that once I started to turn, it ventilated. I couldnt correct with trim. I would straighten it out and the speed would increase nicely and the fuel economy would go up accordingly. But those turns. I pulled the boat and dropped it down 2 holes on the mounting bracket. The next test showed that I had found the sweet spot. The boat lost about 2 mph in top end but it would keep pushing in clean water throughout the turns.
I intentionally raised the height of the outboard on my fishing boat. I was set so low that I had a spray of water back into the boat. Now with it properly installed I can get ventilation only when on a very sharp turn, I have to be trying to do this to make it happen. However the installation of the jack-plate and raising the outboard has paid off in more speed, better fuel economy,and no water spraying back into the boat.
My first boat back in the 80's suffered from ventilation because the outboard was too short for the transom. It would rev up when I turned unless I did so very slowly. I ended up putting a different outboard on it.
Buy and mount an SE Sport 300 hydrofoil. Best upgrade you’ll ever do! All these issues will completely go away. Check out reviews on it. 15 years running and still 100% satisfied!!!
BAB University! thanks for all the content.
I am currently searching for a new aluminum frame trailer for my boat, a Nitro Bay 2200. I think a great video you can do is on how to size the correct trailer for boats.
The trailer my boat has is not fitted for it, it only works. So when I am loading it I have to be really careful so that I don't damage the hull. It takes me about 15 min to get everything right before I can leave the lake. I'm sure I shouldn't be using it but I've had it for 1 year and only have used it 5 times because I usually dont have time lol. IOWs, the urge to go fishing beats me.
Thank you for all the content you provide bud! 👍
Propping a boat just right is really a tricky business. You watch videos, use prop calculation formulas and stuff like that but that really just provides a starting point about which prop to try. I adjust boat load balance, change props, vary the engine height, put on a hydrofoil and keep running the boat at my best cruising speed in choppy seas until it feel right and mpg are good. Also check that the engine can attain full rpm at WOT to prevent engine labouring which shortens its life. When the boat runs right I dont know exactly why it runs right, it was the product of a little theory and science and a lot of trail and error. It helps a lot if you have a prop shop that lets you try out props and change them without having to buy a bunch of props to find the right setup. Then when you buy another boat you can do it all again, if you're a prop perfectionist that is.
Modern stainless steel propellers can be rebuilt, repitched,, more or less cup added or taken away by a competent propellor shop usually far cheaper than purchasing a new stainless steel prop. Unless the pitch selection is grossly ( more than 2-3 degrees) out of parameter. Aluminum propellers are usually cheaper to replace but, it would still not hurt to do a little talking to a repair facility before making the decision to replace a propeller. A good quality stainless propeller for most larger engines ( 90 hp and up) usually are in the $600-900 dollar range or more depending on brand. Just an old man thinking out loud.
Now we need Destin from Smarter Everyday to make a video explaining cavitation with a slow motion camera.
Yo Sean I have a friend with the same name as you he just got drafted to the NFL playing for NY Jets
@@slickvic7987 no sh!t? That's cool.
Or the slowmo guys!
I feel like he has already covered it during his nuclear sub series
I've had this issue. Usually we just slow down and drop the trim. Great video
Thanks 👍
I Was having the ventilation issue P.O had motor bolted as high as it would go, dropped down one hole and gained 300 rpm. Stopped having that slipping feeling.
Great video
Thanks
you did not gain 300 rpm you lowered it 300 rpm ....lol
Thank you for covering this, people using the term cavitation to describe ventilation has been my pet peeve of mine for a long time!
I'm experiencing Ventilation at the moment with my Tinny after raising the motor up at the back, but I was calling it Cavitation until I learned the difference. LOL!
I have a boat with a prop and one without. The one with the prop goes faster.
This guy wins the prize
You don’t say.
I find that to be a based fact!
Lucky you 😂, mine comes with something like a stick/rod with a slab like thing at the end. Been beating the water with it but it never goes any faster. Sorry for the late reply, been off grid since COVID emerged.
I put my boat engine upside down so I have a hovercraft design
We have a pontoon boat with 150 hp Mercury. It will periodically ventilate . It seems like we get a lot of "splash" back fhere when it does that and it will do it even when engine is trimmed all the way down. I have to throttle down and thrn it works OK. Happens most often at about half throttle.
A couple months ago I purchased a 2004 Nitro 929 cdx , when the old owner took me out on the lake he tried to explain to back off at a certain point and hit the throttle again. I tried to recreate his throttling to get it up on plane , took me for ever. I could hear and feel the prop spin but not bite for the hole shot. He suggested dropping the mount one more hole, I just couldn't understand a almost 20 year old boat and no one had done this as yet. I noticed 3 holes at the back of the prop and remembered an article I had read. One hole had a rubber grommet with the center open, I had read some thing about a Merc Tempest design and grommets. I called a Marina explained the spin , they told me to stop by for some more grommets it's getting to much air. I placed two that fully closed the other holes. The 225 horse just bucked an took off like a bat outta heck. It has worked so far , a 12 dollar fix... I hope is all.
Man you're incredible. Every issue you discuss is so educational truely amazing how great job you do explaining issues
Glad you think so!
What alot of guys don't tell you is if you drill holes in your hull it will let your boat flow straighter
Excellent video...I just went over this 3 weeks ago with a group of 25...cavitation only comes off the back side of the prop blades...it will boil the water...ABYC has an excellent course on props....
from what i just witnessed your statement of cavitation only coming off of the back side of the blade is FALSE.
Excellent video of explanation without getting too scientific 👌 small Knicks in the prop can also gather enough oxygen molecules to create bubbles before the prop thus creating a higher pressure system, therefore, Cavitation. But this video will educate most and it explains everything for the average boaty 👍
Thanks for the info!
Cavitation does not generate air bubbles. It is vaporized water. They pop when water pressure increased and the vapor condenses back to liquid.
pardon me? lol your argument is self defeating. The vaporization of water produces an air bubble. Same concept happens in your hand when you stretch your joints apart, the noise you hear, the "crack" is a cavitation. (nitrogen)
@@MapSpawn Go take a science class. On a large scale, try breathing that cavitated "air" bubble. You will drown! It is actually saturated steam when it flashes.
Thanks for making this video! I am driving a 24’ sterndrive bay liner cabin cruiser with a powerful 160lb thrust 48V trolling motor. It has a very long shaft and is sitting in water below the deadrise aft of the transom. The trolling motor pushes really hard and I think a combination of high thrust and low advance through wake (max speed is 3.6kn at 2400W) and lots of disorganized water flow detachment at the end of the hull in displacement mode is causing ventilation. It’s a very distinct glurp sound when it occurs.
My neighbour had a 23 ft very deep V boat with a 260 hp stern drive, full of fuel and 2 people with not much else, it would not take full throttle, would get to 19 knots and not plane, it got cavitation, not aeration, and vibrate really bad, we changed props but it still had the same problem. I can't remember the brand, but it was like a 1984 24 degree boat that handled really bad in waves and when someone moved from one side to the other.
On my last outing offshore I went out fine. But was venting or cavitating on the way in. At first I thought it was sargasso weeds and cleared it a few times but then I was in clean water and it was bad all the way in. Then in the canal everything was okay.
I was really confused, I am going back to the boat today and look at my gear oil, and prop conditions and the points you mention in this video, and run it again to see if I can figure this out.I decided it’s an older prop and the combination of a transducer and the prop aging and minor damage in a certain sea condition was bringing it on. Hopefully I’ll figure it out.
My boat will ventilate because of my transducer on hard turns to the left. Completely avoidable but can catch you off guard at times.
I noticed cavitation on my ski boat. I get vibrations and the pitch of the engine changes. I also see the little implosions on the leading edge of my rudder. I noticed the cavitation happening when I start to ride on some light crests. Ski boats are just not made for rough water.
I feel this on our 38ft when it has a lot of barnacles on the hull. On a low speed there is no much affect, but when we are on a high speed the RPM will just go high and the movement of the boat was slow.
Wow I just had ventilation issues on a boat I just bought. Mostly when to many people are up front and I give it the gas.
The air bubbles you mentioned are actually water vapour bubbles,as a result of the boiling water because of the low pressure. It is not possible for air to reach there. The fast cutting of the prop makes a cavity in the water inducing the mentioned effect therefore the phenomenon is named cavitation.
I also wanted to add that steam bubbles don’t pop, they condense back into water. Steam at atmospheric pressure takes up 1700x the volume that water does so you can imagine the violent nature of forming and collapsing!
This video is amazing! Very informative. I was actually just browsing through boat videos and this came up. My brothers boat now that it was mentioned ether has the prop spinning on the splines or ventilation.
Cavitation is cause by pulling a vacuum in the water NOT boiling. Any prop or even the hull moving though the water fast enough will cause pulling a vacuum, you can do this by slamming the top of a glass water bottle, the cavitation will be cause by the bottle moving away fast enough from the water. (also the water filling the vacuum causes the damage and breaks the bottle)
I work on my friends wave runner every once in a while. Trying to explain cavitation and why it’s not a good idea to start in shallow water or run it onto the beach with the motor on was a long conversion.
Great video. Issues with prop ventilation...”weed ring” solved the problem
I am so glad I stumbled upon this interesting video, just a pity you didn't complete it. IE How to fix problems - I have a huge problem with ventilation and, not cavitation as I just learned. It is really bad, I suspect that the motor is mounted too high. Where can I find more info on how high the anti-ventilation plate must be from the bottom of the hull? I mounted rubber/plastic skimmers on the ventilation plate but this seems to make it even worse as it lifts the motor up out of the water, the prop then literally runs just underneath the surface of the water level. The second problem that may be related to this is when I pull away the nose of the boat wants to lift up. I have an Infanta 6,5m rubber duct with a 75Hp Honda marine motor on. The boat was a factory build Infanta by Honda Knysna, South Africa.
Cavitation “burn” I always knew if you see it on your prop, it’s a telltale that something isn’t right.
I have a 1994 trophy series bayliner 2002
I have to take up a 200 yard area across a river to make a turn at full throttle. Even then it did this .
It takes the boat over 100 yards to plain out . I have never owned a boat that stands up so far in the front and takes so long to plain out . I think there is something wrong with the power of the motor . It's like it's worn out but I was told it has 130 lbs of compression on each cylinder.
I hope to figure these things out soon , just got the boat a week ago .
Awesome stuff.....having a ventilation prob, engine kept having a short rev burst every once in a while.... .scared me to death, now i know, so thank you.
I think you described exactly what may be happening with mine, sometimes when circling the lake I feel loss of power and vibration through out the pontoon and when I ese off the throttle it goes away? I have noticed a few nicks on my prop but the local mechanic told me it is fine.
So I'm having ventilation troubles now and I think you just solved it. I have big gap Infront of prop and gases are coming out there. I'll fix that and try it.
Had this problem when I went from a three blade to a four blade prop, when pulling a tube on a sharp turn. It would cavitate.....
Sharrow prop will fix that and give better acceleration and top speed as well as fuel mileage would highly recommend getting one
overpriced waste of money ...have you priced one of those props yet ...? and if you ding it up no prop repair shop will touch it.
Ahhh.. prop talk... the never ending discussion ! 😎
Thanks for this video. I hit something last season that didn't cause immediate issues, but the next time we went out my RPM was high and our power/speed was low. I've changed the hub and had a few mechanics look at it. It seems like something is slipping but we cannot find the issue. I plan to look into this as a possible cause. Thanks again.
Hi Tom. Pull the prop and draw a line with a felt marker across the front of the hub and prop and reinstall it and try it out. After running it for a bit, pull the prop again and inspect the lines. If they are out of alignment, you'll know your hub is slipping as the marks should stay lined up.
exhaust ring behind your prop is wore out.
Having a Collection of Props can serve the ultimate and entire purpose.
A ski boat configuration would likely and simply call for the Generic Stock (comes with) prop.
A twisted Up SS Chopper will get u up the top speed once the hull and the RPM sync. (that will never be a Hole Shot prop config) so it really depends. One thing is certain, there's a lot of Over Powered Boats out there. That, is a #1 reason for porpose. I installed a 50 gal. gas tank in the nose of a V bottom J-Craft. I got pictures of it "One Hand on the wheel" air borne and planning off of One Prop Blade. 30 foot high rooster and walking a little sideways. Oh...that was a cleaver Prop. Al cleaver is designed specifically to meet the needs of a heavy Inboard or inboard outboard. so....with all that weight in the nose to keep her balanced coupled with the lifting action of a cleaver, voila flat, raised up and flying. J-Craft bought the photo 1985.
a 175 merc Heads shaved 20 th. aviation fuel. 76mph. 17 ft dual rideguide (Necessity or Mech)
What you're describing is the relationship between the center of gravity and the center of hydrodynamic pressure on the hull. Power has nothing to do with it.
175 on fuel only went 76 ....shit my 2.0 140 omc on my hydrostream went 80 and that was v4 not a v6...
@@crashalexander7232 The One that got away...Hydrostream shit yer pants 67 is the new 80 king of the porposer...lol
new to me 1994 20 foot pontoon, it cavitates to me, but i think its the inner water flow of the pontoons hitting the short transume pontoon just before the motor platte. Motor is max down in the water based on the tilt trim motor,. Just hitting other boat wakes makes it rev up and slow down. It has a new direct evinrude propellar. going to check out shaft length and motor height on the transum.
I thought I had a spun hub, was getting the surge in RPM and loss of forward momentum. So I replaced the prop and hub. Old prop was a pressed in style, I switched to an RBX hub. First trip out with new prop and still wound up with surging RPM/loss of speed. It only happened at 3000+ rpm. Decrease the throttle and regain momentum and throttle back up. It would do it just going straight, so it wasn’t like turning or any other water direction changes (I.e. wake chop from passing boat) was always present…EDIT. I figured I’d include my setup.. 24’ pontoon with a 115 Evinrude. No jack plate, engine in lowest trim setting. Running a 13-7/8”17 pitch prop. One prop is SS with pressed hub other is Aluminum with RBX.
Sounds like my issue!
@@hardrockminer-50 What was the problem/fix? Im having the exact same problem
Listen to what he says about the ring between the gear case and the prop. I just bought a boat that should be going almost 40 miles an hour and is only going 31 at 6200 RPMs due to the propeller bore sleeve not being there. Most outboards come with these from factory. It’s a $5 part that makes all the difference
VERY INTERESTING! I just put a riser bracket on the back of my 11' tinny so the Cavitation Plate on my 5hp outboard is level with the back of the boat. It flies when on plane with the weight distributed in the boat properly BUT Ventilates when you try to turn. Seeing this Video where you say any obstruction may cause Air bubbles has made me realise I didn't take into consideration the Rib that runs down the centre of the boat hull underneath. The plate is level with the flat of the hull but higher than the Rib down the centre. I think when I turn Im getting air off the Rib that makes the motor ventilate.
Very possible :)
what a coincident i stumble on this vid. was just on the water & prop was loosing grip every 30 sec @ wot. truned out to be the bouncing from very choppy conditions.
That RED arrow is pointing to Engine Exhaust, not Blade cavitation, did you guys fail outboards 101?
Props to you for another great video! 😎
Haha nice like what you did there 👏
I appreciate that
Pun intended you would say. LOL!
The only time this happens on my boat is when I'm think I need to have. My problem remain a factor. It's a stainless steel crop the first time ever own and one of those My other 2 votes had the aluminum.
Up here in the great lakes region cavitation most likely caused by zebra mussels on the hull
That’s why for fun I wash hulls most owners are impressed with how much fuel economy they gain and top and speed with a clean hull
Hey Aaron, my problem is when I turn too hard I get ventilation. Not sure why my anti ventilation plate rides right on top of the water when running and planed out. But when turning hard port or starboard it sucks in air. I have tried different angles of trim but no luck. Any thing you can help me with would be greatly appreciated. Another great video with all kinds of useful information. Thanks 👍😎🌴. Be safe out there.
Wow. A lot more to it than I thought. Thanks again for the helpful information
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yes, i see it every day... i get these customers that think I'm trying to rip them off when i recommend a prop repair or replacement.... the boat moves when they put it in gear, obviously I'm full of shit.
1st day on the water with a Tracker Grizzly 1860 cc and a 90 hp merc.
Getting ventilation and cavitation but at different trims and rpms.
Can't plane the boat.
Could it be a large transducer too close to the prop?
yep and or motor is to high ..? only trim you should be using when getting on plane is full down.
YES !! I had my prop stolen.off my boat and I didn't no the size that was on my outboard now my new prop.is crap and constantly blows air wish I knew were to start size wise
There is a Prop Finder option on the Solas website or you could look at an online parts catalogue that might mention the original prop size.
@@ChippyOZ oh cool thank you
When measuring the location cavitation plate to the bottom of the boat where should the trim of the motor be set? ie All the way down/in or should it be trimmed up some and how much?
Yes 9.9 Johnson with flat bottom boat ... we started out from dock ...then when I throttled up boat barley moved noticed lots of bubbles trailing in wake was like something was holding us back ... this was on a power plant lake where the water temperature was probably 75° or higher I just thought maybe it was the temperature of the water that was the cause of that reaction it never happened to me before on other lakes???
Technically sound information. Most people do not know the huge difference between cavitation and ventilation. Cavitation in liquids is the formation of tiny voids of the gas phase of the liquid suspended in the liquid itself. This phenomenon is commonly called "boiling". Boiling water "bubbles" on the surface of your prop seems ridiculous, right? Where's the heat source? Boiling is a pressure difference phenomenon, not a heat phenomenon.
The tiny, extremely short lived "boiling water bubbles" created by the propeller are formed from massive local pressure differences in front of and behind the prop.
Water pumps are subject to the same cavitation phenomenon. Maintenance on big ship propellers (also called screws) is mainly a fight against cavitation damage on the screw. Another thing most don't know is that ultrasonic cleaning is actually using high frequency transducers to form cavitation "bubble sites" on the object to be cleaned in the tank. In all cases, these little bubbles of low pressure water vapor violently implode on themselves as the trapped vapor condenses back to a liquid. This can do severe damage over time.
Everyday examples:
Cavitation is boiling.
Ventilation is like putting a straw into a glass of water and using the air in your lungs to blow air bubbles into the water.
I’m having a lot of issues with a boat and getting the correct propeller. To start off, I have a 19’ bowrider with a 150 4 stroke. I started off with a 19 pitch mercury black max. It was over reviving at top speed 52mph and the boat was also hard to control. It would chine walk at WOT.
Then I got a black max 21 pitch and the prop would feel like it was slipping. I second guessed myself and thought I might have forgot to tighten the nut!
Next I purchased a 19 pitch Michigan wheel Apollo 3 blade. I had no issues with slipping but the chine walking returned at wide open throttle. I got a deal on a high five 21 pitch and figured I’d give it a shot. I tried it out today and the prop feels like it’s slipping again. If I punch it, the engine over revs. I feel like I’m fighting a losing battle here. Im also wondering if my engine is too high but it’s mounted as low as it can be and the ventilation plate is about an inch above the bottom of the hull.
Any help would be greatly appreciated!
chine walk is a result of poor driving skill that is all.
@@crashalexander7232 lol.
Great content, I watch every video. I just have a question for you if you are on the market to purchase a center console from 1998 to 2010 from 26 ft to 30 ft which one would buy?
Also a money pit cos as soon as something gets "marine standard" label it shoots up in price !!!! The same, identical stainless steel items bought from ironmonger cost a fraction of the price. Not to mention the "marine" mechanics.
I have twin 200 ox66 starboard engine has cavitation at over 35mph in a chop and have to stop boat to regain grip it will not regain grip unless boat is stopped
Had an Evinrude 150 plastic snap ring that goes into the lower unit was missing and I was getting cavitation exhaust through in around propeller took a while to figure out a 10 dollar part keep me from moving
any chance you could share a photo. I have a 150HP johnson that has been been giving me cavitation issues for 3 years now and I am losing my mind. thanks
Nice video. I always get a vibration when I try to accelerate too hard or have a bunch of people on the boat. I always contributed it to cavitation, but to be honest, not really sure. It feels like the prop is trying to bite, but can’t quite get it. Like peeling out in a car. I have to slow my acceleration or reduce the load on the prop/engine.
Might be able to lower the prop pitch. You will lose a CPL knots but it will definitely grip better. Cheers
This is why there are jack plates and "trim." Point being when you "launch"(through propulsion) the bow will rise and stern will fall making for an enormous amount of stress on the transom. Anything that levels the boat("on plane") is what solves this problem which using a modern outboard motor means an engine that can create its own trim upon launch be being at the greatest depth and narrowest distance from the transom. Another way to tackle this issue is by the use of an "Armstrong bracket" which simply moves the engine(s) further back which whilst creating more stress also creates creates better trim simply by adding length to your hull.
Point being there are only two speeds on a boat namely
A:trolling speed(the most important) when you want a hull to naturally be on the level and
B: "on plane" speed when the forward velocity is sufficient to cause your hull and motor to ride upon the surface of the water where there is less surface tension to have had need breaking apart in order dramatically reduce friction and promote stability and control.
@@doolittlegeorge Well said sir!
Hey thanks. This particular boat is an I/O, so a jack plate or Armstrong bracket wouldn’t work. (Both of which I had to google by the way) However, this sounds like something a set of trim tabs could help by pushing the haul on plane faster and with less effort?
Allways look forward to tech Tuesday's, have learned so much tysm for your time and vids
now I don't have to many brain cells but I've always wondered how you don't cut your feet of when climbing down the ladder on the back. do you have to wait for the propellers to stop spinning?
You always make sure the drive are in neutral and ideally the motor's are turned off.
At 5:17 you mean vapor bubbles (steam), not air bubbles. And they "implode" not explode when pressure forces those vapor bubbles to collapse back to liquid, effectively making a micro water jet. In the same way that an industrial water jet cutter can cut through metal, so do the imploding vapor bubbles when they collapse near the propeller.
new prop or old, one of the primary symptoms of cavitation is Porpoising.
In the 80's the Sidewinder and the Hydrostream hull configs. were prone to porpoise ( a veritable Pain in the neck ride)
A cruising speed 3/4's she'd rise up and down and make u seas sick. At Flat Out the helm would be something you'd need to put your whole body weight on and when u did hold her fast, she'd start walking side ways.
Now the Cleaver prop was specifically designed for a heavy stern drive of Inboard, somehow the Cleaver acted to Lift up the rear, when the rear of the boat was being lifted by the cleaver you could apply Less trim.
The boat would run perpendicular to the lake and the stern would lift out of the water and yes you'd have to Hang on to that wheel never look to one side cause yer sunglasses would fly off and your first impulse is to try and catch 'em. But u let go of the wheel and your outboard engine would spin and yer right ear would be taking on water. Not that this ever happened to me...at 83mph
problem on those streams was inexperience and poor setup ...proper setup and those issues were very minimal and driver skill is needed to go fast in those boats...lol
@@crashalexander7232 drive skills...more lpl
Boiling air bubbles? Cavitation is a partial vacuum. the fact that we are beyond the boiling point of water in this low pressure state is irrelevant in my opinion but I can be wrong on that last point
Thanks for the great video! How will I know if my engine is mounted too high? What are the clear signs that the propeller is getting air, even a little bit?
The props ony my 16' skiff and 10ft jon boat cavitate, and my 14ft jon boat ventilates due to damage to the lower unit, im fixing that in a few minutes. Im going to run the cavitating props until I get problems that interfere with my boating. I love my omc 6hp
That explains a lot when looking at props. Thx
I cannot prove but I suspect that my used boat was ventilating due to combination of aftermarket hydrofoil that curved downwards in combination with short, damaged skeg. Removed hydrofoil and fixed skeg. Back to normal.
Help… I just purchased a used 17-5 shoal cat boat, re powered it with a new 70hp Yamaha. I’m ventilating.
Just gotta say there were some funky noises in this audio recording at least for me, I kept thinking I was hearing something outside and had to rewind the video.
Just bought a 1985 bayliner Capri with a Volvo penta engine. I’ve been rewiring a lot and getting things to work. Next step is to put it in the water and see what happens. I’m kind of worried I’m going to have some kind of issue like this. Crossing my fingers
How do you know what is the right prop for your boat? For example, one day in the future I plan on building a boat from a haul. If I put a modern outboard with an engine platform on the back of a center console, how would I know what size, pitch and blade count is best, or where to start?
whats a haul? what is an engine platform? outboard mfg have prop charts avail try google bro...lol
Ventilation yes, cavitation no, but a marina guy called it cavitation. Boat is going full throttle and suddenly sounds like prop slip and loses speed I have to back off the throttle and take off again and it won't do it again until I hit full throttle for a ways and then it does it all over again. He said toss weight in the front
You might have a failing propeller hub
@@BornAgainBoating
Was replaced.....twice
I thought my 25 hp had spun a prop so l replaced it from a 11npitch to a 13 pitch and it seems to do the same thing as the 11 Pitch. I haven't marked either to check if they're actually spinning or if l have a drive gear issue.
What explains cavitation on a brand new high power boat only while it's getting on plane?
I couldn’t understand why I was having quite violent ventilation issues on my twin hill boat
I tried a hydrofoil plate but that created spray, loss of power also
I finally realize that the motor should be slightly lower in the boat which is too much of a hassle so as it works fine fully down that’s where it’s staying 😢
I’m a newer boat captain been a sub for awhile.... thanks again for your time and effort as to your knowledge. I have a marine 115 outbound I’m loosing forward momentum intermittently. The engine rpm is clean smooth running... I’ll pop it neutral put it back into gear and away I go again. Is this the above topic? New captain here don’t want to sink. :) tnx
Spun prop hub?
@@chrish5096 - thanks for the reply, the hub and splines are perfect no worn parts. When the engine is off and you turn the prop there’s lots of tension. Pop it in neutral it spins freely. When the engine is idling you can rest a beer can on top and it won’t shake off. Idk stuck in a swamp here. :)
@@mralien4710 That's pretty weird, I'm not any sort of expert on the topic, I was just throwing out the possibility of a spun prop because I've had that happen to me multiple times before. Weird for sure
@@chrish5096 like I said thanks for the reply all we can do is share information and try and help. Most appreciated:) have a great day. :)
When running in the ocean the waves lift my skiff and occasionally my prop ventilates and I lose forward momentum. Remember my boat is a Simmons, it has a well for the outboard and there is flotation beside and aft of the motor.
"We need a bigger boat"
Hi, I really enjoy your vids. I’ve learned a few things, thank you! I’ve had some terrible ventilation on brand new Solas props when I’ve gotten into very choppy churned up water. It also happened during a rally where a lot of boats were going into a channel causing a lot of foam. But I think that’s probably normal. They otherwise run great.
Question. Does the propeller get warmer because of the small explosions?
Best prop you can get is a mercury racing Bravo 1 hands down
depends on power and type of boat...one prop is not the answer for every boat....
Question... is the correct name a "anti-ventilation plate" or "cavitation plate"?
Thankyou that was very helpful to know about so i will need to watch which propeller i buy for a given engine spec
Hi guys I’m a new subscriber. I have a 2000 Grady white 226. I just got her home yesterday I had a shop install an aluminum floatable offshore bracket, fiberglass the back up, install new 2021 Yamaha 250 4 stroke motor we also cut out the back compartments and made the back bigger for fishing room. We also installed a below deck fish box custom.
I took the boat out today for my first time with all the new upgrades and it seems like the rear end is sucking down and I need to go over 3500 RPM with the motor trim down just to get going. It has less power than I used to have with my original set up which did not have the offshore bracket and had a 3.3 vs the 4.2l motor that I have now. I watched a couple of your videos and it looks like there could be several different possible problems. Where can I post a couple of pictures for you and your members to see and maybe give me an idea of what could be wrong. I feel like when I am driving the boat the motor is too low in the water, the water level is almost up to the lower cowling I’m getting a lot of splash back as well/rooster tails.
Also another thing I noticed is when I am just going slow the front of the boat feels a lot closer to the water which is weird I would think the back would be lower with all the new weight in there. We did move the two batteries up in the front cabin. Overall I had a lot of work done on the boat.
Thank you I appreciate any suggestions or help.
May I ask how much did you spend planing to do the same
@@guillermoperea2702 73K. It started as 55K ( Just the new motor with all misc parts roughly 27+K) for everything with 2021 Yamaha 250 all-new wiring and all. but then I found out that a lot of items had the letters TBD ( to be discussed) I was not aware of that. We shook hands at the $55K number then I got a bill for $80 + Thousand and blow a gasket. After going back a forth we settled at $73K
The price includes all custom transom and cutting out the compartments in the back, new batteries relocated to front, custom large insulated below deck fish box, etc.
Honestly, if I know it was going to be this much, I would have just bought a brand new boat.
The good news is that I built a custom boat that fits my needs and is now a fish-killing machine. Also, everything That was installed was all good quality material no cheap parts which also added to the final bill.
@@silverbull2932 dam I have a 28 footer WA with an inboard, was planning to remove the inboard and install a 250 with a bracket. Was just planing to spend about 35 thousand, but I might change my mind I can get a brand new 25 foot center console with a brand new 250 for 70000.