Why do I need it> This is not a product photo ( by this we mean the products we sell). It is simply a generated photo. If I could add my product and change its backgrounds, angles or the whole composition. Yes, that would be generating a PRODUCT PHOTO.
Hey , I liked The Idea Of Creating A Product Photoshot , But let Me Give You A ( Secret Formula ) For More Realism : Imagine prompt : - Type of Photography - Type of lenses - Choose the Focal Length - Add The Main Subject - Choose the Direction - Select Your Style Design - The Aspect Ratio Ps : Before The Aspect Ratio , Add this : ( A professional color grading, soft shadows, no contrast, Clean sharp focus ) Try It And Let Me Know , Good Luck 🙏🏾😊
You could combine this with image promts so you can use your own image to get a certain perspective you like. This can be useful if you already have your product shots.
Yes, nowadays you need to be a bit over the top with the clickbaity thumbnails to attract people's attention. I kind of hate that but that's the game we're in. Thank you so much Robin!
Awesome guys! Looking forward to the next video. As you know I have been playing around with this too, so this is right up my street. See you next....... TIME!
I remember when digital camera sales started to eclipse film camera sales. There was a great hue and cry that photography would soon be dead….. and here we are, same song different verse. To some folks, every advance in technology sounds the death knell of whatever they’re doing now. It’s been my experience that techological advances favor those who embrace them right away, making the new leaders in the industry. The amazing thing is that there are photographers still using bellows and plates to make great images.
I'm a photographer doing a lot of architectural work and shopping centres. Often, I need my scenes to look busier than they are in real life. I simply cannot wait to be able to shoot a scene and have an AI engine populate it EXACTLY how I need it to be as well as fix any defects etc.
Yes soon. Soon AI will making photos of the shopping centre from the plans. As a retiring pro photographer I see the landscape (cough) changing radically in the near future. Why will a designer hire a photographer when they can create a product shot, or fashion shot, or whatever, from the comfort of their desk and tweak it till it’s exactly as they want. I’m not suggesting photographers are about to go extinct en masse, but if I was just setting out I’d be thinking long and hard about my career choice. Midjourney and the like have their limits, but man they are just learning to crawl, and they are scary good right now.
@@robinhodgkinson 100% agree. If I was a product photographer, a retoucher or an illustrator I'd be getting worried, very worried, very soon. I suspect Adobe isn't really far off announcing some kind of "prop AI retoucher" tool (for an additional subscription fee of course) where all you have to do is highlight the areas that need to be tweaked and it'll do it in a heartbeat, that's my guess anyway. I'm also getting there'll always be value in photographers capturing "real moments" such as events, editorial stuff etc but anything setup (fashion, portraits etc) is also probably very much at risk I'd say.
@@maxmouche Yep, Adobe will be knee deep in it - big changes are close. We'll be saying..."remember when we used Photoshop and did all the retouching ourselves"... laugh laugh...
@@robinhodgkinson I'm exactly in that "boat". I've been a photographer for a long time on the side. Just now considered getting into product photography as my dabbling in it has me loving it. But this has me really second-guessing my path. If I had been doing it for some time with an established clientel, I wouldn't be so worried and would pivot to using this as a tool like those in this video. But with no established clients, who would hire a photographer for their prices when they could produce something like this for less and less time. Businesses are always looking for the most economical means to market and this may just render the new product photographers like me pretty meaningless and force us to change paths :(
I used Stable Diffusion for compositing, and compared to your workflow, I always felt that the images produced with Stable Diffusion were not as stunning and lacked a bit in texture quality. However, its advantage lies in its strong control. After continuous tweaking, I obtained a series of usable images, although the process in between was not smooth. In the end, I used PS bate for compositing, and the generated images may not reach advertisement-level quality, but they are at least suitable for commercial use. I hope you can also produce a series of videos about Stable Diffusion, hoping to gain more inspiration👍
So good to see this! And so much fun to try. I think it may be helpful to use it as like mood board, brief, art direction, and present the clients what it may look so we'll be sailing towards the right direction. Brain storm and to have a visual presentation.
Thanks for this wonderful tutorial. My frustration is importing REAL designer dresses for editorials. They are all interpretive even when importing the actual dress from the collections.
Great vid. I wonder if it could help to use an actual product shot of your preferred product as an image prompt and then add the written prompts to it. Perhaps you could get something closer to actual before you then comp in the actual product in photoshop.
I've tried to take the photo of the bottle we shot and added it to MJ and used the same prompts but MJ keep generating random bottles. Might be me who's not giving the MJ bot the correct prompts 😁
Does Oliver Fox have a TH-cam channel? I like to see more on how he uses MidJourney. You can add your own image by using plus icon in the prompt box then side click the image to get image url to add in to the prompt.
Thank you for sharing your process. I wonder if would be possible to combine Ai with mods in Blender 3D or any other software for CGI. That could give more immediate control on environment, props, light direction, texture and such. This process could be made as a pattern (simillarry to filters in photoshop). They could be transferable or repeatable for many products. Or shared between people to use on their photoshoots of similar products. Just a thought.
Some people claim that's possible but I have yet not figured out a way to do that. Maybe in other AI tools but not Midjourney that I use. Maybe in version 7 or something 😁
I think you can reference a secondary image using a URL of the image... ive seen people combine two images with the MidJ using links... but you have to use a valid image link
I see many comments being skeptical of using AI. Same thing happened when electronic music came, when they started using samples to make music, when they started using only computers to make music, when movies makers started using CGI in movies. There are always skeptics who feel that their fundamental understanding of a subject is challenged. End result is what matters. No matter how to you call it - it's part of a process in order to create images for people to look at. Clients will always need efficient solutions to promote their products and services and they are gonna get it. Are photographers still afraid that Phone photography is getting better and better? Doesn't matter.
Forgot to mention - great video and looking forward to see the result! In the mean time, will buy MJ subscription and start building a database of images that I can use later to blend with my product shots.
Thanks! Very wise words. The fear of the new will always be there with many people. This is just the beginning and I will keep an open mind. Why not try it out and see what it brings to our world of photography.
@@botvidsson It's controversial for now, but I think it's a good thing nevertheless, all the buzz going on. Anyway, I think a role of a photographer is becoming a bit more complex and will eventually require (by client request) to be competent in creating any image that clients requires, to turn any idea into marketable imagery. And till now, it could have been quite expensive to find a suitable location, bring gear, hire a team etc. Now if a client wants his product in a perfectly lit and never before seen rainforest in two days - he can get it for a reasonable price. I think this is perfect for photographers and digital creators.
This has nothing to do with fear. I think most people like AI and what it can do. The point is that they cannot feed AI machines photographs off the web without the permission or compensating the creator of that image. If AI producers paid photographers to create images to feed to the AI, no one would have a problem with that, except like you said, the people who are afraid of AI.
Is it possible to create the image like you have and then just remove the bottle in midjourney or does that mess up the image? I prefer the idea of what you are doing here with regard to AI, the only thing I would say at the moment AI image have a "look" I follow a few high end photographers that are using it and the images do look the same some how
You can create an image without the bottle but I find it easier to have a reference. You can type (--no bottle) but I don't know how MJ would react when you give the prompt "bottle", probably better to just create a forest scene then. Yes I agree, the AI look is there, much better though in version 5 that just came out.
Yes I know. We're in early days. On MJ5 the quality is much better and I tested to upscale with Topaz Gigapixel and it looks sort of okay. It all depends on what you're going to use the images for off course.
There are AI plugins that you can use to upscale any image online. Worth googling. I’ve already used one for actual client photography to turn a print ad’s image into an image large enough to fit a wall at a conference, but I can’t remember the name. Just look for AI image upscalers/enhancers. :)
Hey guys, what is the time you spent in getting the right prompt generated ? Compare to simply search images bank or talking your own images ? I don't see any time saving...
The final image took maybe 15 minutes to generate. It's a HUGE difference to create your own images instead of getting a stock photo online. To get this photo in Sweden right now is impossible, winter time.
I know this is a bit harder but I wonder if it is possible to go the "Reverse way", I already have my pictures professionally shot by a photographer (But I am not one), however, I do need to change the ambience of them to target a new client base. Is it possible to mold the AI around the picture we already have?
I would see how an extra prompt option like 'use seed #4' as a start for the next generation picture would help a lot in the refining process. Is this possible yet?
That was kinda sad! I’m 65 and about to retire and go sailing after a 40 year career as a pro photographer. And as much as I’m excited by all the AI stuff happening everywhere all at once, as it seems. I felt like I was watching someone playing with the instrument of his demise. Midjourney is learning to crawl. The text instructions and editing and results ( although pretty damn impressive) are still primitive by comparison to what is literally a year or two away. This is all going exponential! AI will obliterate the industry as we currently know it, as it will many others. Sure there will still be some need for photographers, but why is a designer or agency going to bother hiring (and paying!) for one when they can tell the AI on their Mac what they want, then ask it to change this or that, from the comfort of their sofa. If I was just starting out I’d be thinking about a career change.
Yes, I kind of agree. It is sad and exciting at the same time I feel. What will happen in 2-5 years, there will be some big changes in the business for sure.
I'm 23 and I think the same thing since the first moment I heard about those Ai generous, it's like those morons photographers teaching everyone how to take decent photos on their phones, you are literally showing people how to get rid of you, generators are the end of product photography but for real I think one day the only valuable pictures will be shot on film and the drawings will need some sort of certificate of authenticity
I'm a photographer who loves the old style like W Eugene Smith and Sally Mann. I was sad to see those arts lost to photoshop artists, then I decided I had to become one. I've been using AI for product photography for the last couple of months, because it's the new tool, (like photoshop was). So instead of becoming sad, I'll become a photoshop/AI artist. Funny thing is that one of the shots I made was for a knife company on a mossy patch a lot like this thumbnail photo. So I guess we still aren't really as creative as we could be, even with all possible imaginative realities.
@@thesouringgentleman then you my friend are exactly what I’m talking about and perhaps a little ahead of your time. Good on you for getting into the transition earlier than most. The writing as they say is definitely on the wall. Note to self: sell pro cameras and lights tomorrow! While I still can.
@@v_stands_for_value124 If you add so little value as a professional that teaching somebody how to take better home pictures with their phone threatens your career your business was doomed to begin with. A majority of product stuff is already replaced by 3d for the last couple of years. The product stuff you see from Apple or Adidas is CGI. The work is always there, you just need to adapt. You should know that when you get into any creative field. You are constantly adapting and if you can't you'll perish. Has been like that forever.
QUESTION. What is evcereybody doing with these pictures. I would love to do this all day but I have to work and make a living. Is anyone profitinmg off of this midjourney? Thanks.
I would suggest that since this technology is in it's "infancy" most everyone is experimenting and learning. Some may be throwing stuff out there and trying to sell it and due to the novelty they will but I expect the majority of serious users are just putting together their "game plan" of how to incorporate it as another tool like photoshop. Remember Adobe will be incorporating Firefly into their products in the future. When that happens it's "game on".
Much more interesting would be if one could generate the same image but without the hero bottle to avoid retouching it out of the picture. An empty shot only with the props… Keen on testing Adobe firefly…
You can definitely upload your own image and add prompts to modify the image, however the results are pretty unpredictable so would be better the blend your image into the AI generated environment with Photoshop I think
Question: can the current generation of AI be able to produce architecture? If so, what kind of implications could we expect for just that industry alone?
Че за тупой вопрос? ИИ нарисует тебе любую архитектуру парящую в космосе и под землей. вопрос только в том сможет ли инженер-строитель это реализовать...
I think a combination of ChatGTP and imaging prompting will be able to creative viable blueprints for architecture. HOWEVER, it will have to be trained to do so thus needing a skill to guide the AI technology.
It's not big, yet. It depends on the aspect ratio you pick. In this video we used 3:2 (1344x896 pixels) and then I double the size in Photoshop Enhance/super resolution to 2688x1792 pixels. There are now many different AI upscale apps like Topaz Gigapixel.
if your thumbnail was what you submitted as a product photo i would reject it on the basis that it doesn't read. why is my logo covered by any shadows at all?
Open Google Docs, click on the star "Ask Gemini" icon to your right, then enter the same prompt. Here's the exact prompt I fed it: create an image of a brown gin bottle on a rock, moss on a rock in a forest, dark and moody, sun ray lighting from behind@@botvidsson
When you are a paying subscriber you are free to use the images you create in Midjourney however you like. Midjourney can also use your images though. That's what I read on Midjourney's site.
I'm curious to know if compositing a photographed bottle (in this case) would make the final image a "derivative work". If so, we may be able to claim copyright if the change to the Midjourney image is substantial enough (in the UK at least).
These images are made off the back of images illegally scraped off the web without owners permission. I am hoping the lawsuits win and for these companies to delete the databases and create new ones where they have to ask permission and or agree to compensation.
@@HammerLeaf Not really. The music industry went through the same thing. MC Hammer used a sampled drum riff from Rick James Super Freak for “Can’t Touch This”. Information Society took samples from the cast of the Star Trek tv show and use them in a song “What’s on you Mind (Pure Energy). This was legal at the time in the 80’s because they were snippet samples and the new song was derivative and fair use but because of the lawsuits and eventually the 1991 U.S. District Court case Grand Upright Music, Ltd. v. Warner Bros. Records, Inc., digital audio sampling ended as derivative works. You cannot take even a tiny snippet of a drum sound from a cd and create a derivative song and this preserved musicians rights. It took from the 80s until 1991 before musicians copyright claims were upheld. Right now Getty has a lawsuit against Stable Fusion. Only time will tell
@@HammerLeaf So what, If I were a corp and knew the courts were going to protect copywrite laws, I would accept as many image I could before it became illegal. It is never to late to protect the rights of content creators when they have laws like copyright, which AI database makers violated when they took images off the web without the creators permission or without compensating them. I took years before sampling was banned from being use in music.
@@HammerLeaf Look, I am no lawyer but this is what would do. I would go into court, ask AI to make a landscape. And it makes a beautiful landscape. Then I tell the AI company to remove all the pictures that were taken of the internet without the creators permission. and remove it from the database and make that same image. And when it can't you think the judge or jury is going to rule for the AI company? Humans have copyright laws. It is already shown that computer AI programs cannot copyright. They have no rights. But the people who took those pictures do have rights and the humans who illegally to images and fed them to AI will have to be responsible if found liable. You cannot reverse everything, but as a judge I would say that the AI company could no longer use those databases. I would say that anyone using AI programs would have to move to the new AI program and databases that the images were legally obtained and anyone making an AI image from the old database and software and sells or buys those images would be liable for law suit. No one would go to jail but you will be paying money for violating the law. But that's me.
@@HammerLeaf I am not a lawyer or a judge. I did work in the computer industry. If there is a judgment, make it illegal to run the old programs, order microsoft apple and linux to update the OS not to run the old AI programs. (Over the years they have broken many programs without a court order). The AI used to make the image probably can identify it made the image using the same algorithms to create it. I am not going to spend hours coming up with hypothetical but I assure you, it could be easily enforced.
Imagine how fulfilling and powerful it would feel if you could artistically create those background photographs from scratch yourself instead of relying upon other people's creativity or an Algorithm image generator..
Absolutely, I always prefer to create real photos but when you have to create a summer forest image in the middle of winter this can be a great option. "Other people's creativity"... that's not how I see it at all. The AI tool is just a creative tool of mine.
@@botvidsson If the tool used someone else's creativity to create the images then it was filtered using their creativity often without their permission. A strong photo image library of your own work, built over time would make it possible to create a summer image in winter.
@@deroux Like photographers looking at other images to get inspired the AI tool does the same. There’s not a single stolen pixel. I don’t see a problem if a AI tool getting inspired by my photos to generate a background.
I think photography and generated images will go (at least) two separate directions. I prefer working standing up and walking around and figuring stuff out to sitting at the desk telling the generator to change the shape of the rock for the twentieth time (for example). photography didn´t kill painting and "AI" will not kill photography.
@@botvidsson Yes. It is a tool for making imagery. You can use it a lot. You can use it a little. You can decide not to incorporate AI in your work at all. I've taught myself to become competent in AI because I know at some point a client will ask if I am familiar with AI and I feel the need to say "yes". Not too far off from generative fill which I find myself using often when retouching. I recently was going over some images a retoucher worked on for me that came from a big job I had. The client then asked if I could get rid of a reflection in an iPhone and in a gas pump. What would have take quite a long time really fell into place quickly with generative fill---the cousin of AI....
I believe this is destroying the art of photography , I am totally against this , it will kill the creativity of artists and new comers to photography commercial field
Funny thing how people who never picked up a camera seem to be seeing this as an opportunity. Meaning the less creative community. So sad people thinking this will help photographers
@@kochtrevor intelligent people know that photography is not about equipment. I got an image published in a big photo magazine with equipment worth 300 eur. Also, sa creative person knowing light etc . Which takes years to learn, will be able to use anything really. So hopefully i will be able to use ai also
There's nothing "mindblowing" about any product photography that's only 2000px x 2000px. Completely useless commercially. Until AI can output at hi res it'll be just a sketching/ideas tool only.
It's called "clickbait thumbnail" 😁 That's the game we have to play. However, you can upscale using an AI upscaler. Or, on social media 2000x2000px will be mind-blowing for many people.
Dude are you serious. This is all just getting off the ground. If there’s a commercial demand the AI will produce any res it’s asked to by the developers.
More like useless comment. You can just upscale with no problem. But besides that, except for printing it BIG (which I rarely see clients do), there is absolutely no reason you need resolution bigger than 2000x2000. Social Media is gonna compress it anyway and your website would just be cluttered with file sizes too big.
The music is so subtle in this video, is it really that disturbing? I know some people dislike music in videos and others don’t. Music is so important to me personally so probably I will always have music in my videos. Sorry.
![ไปอยู่ไสมา - ช๊อปเปอร์ โตเกียวมิวสิค [ OFFICIAL MUSIC VIDEO ]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/sWuVNbRTJbc/mqdefault.jpg)
Tip: use arrow up in midjourney to get you’re last prompt. No more copy/paste. :-p
Just tried it... Oh my oh my... this is just an amazing tip! Thanks a million.
Ahhh...just like a true programmer would do in terminal or MS_DOS
Woahhh this is goooood
@marcio in the comment box?
@@rickyventaglio5811 Yes sir…
Why do I need it> This is not a product photo ( by this we mean the products we sell). It is simply a generated photo. If I could add my product and change its backgrounds, angles or the whole composition. Yes, that would be generating a PRODUCT PHOTO.
Sorry I don't understand a word...
Hey , I liked The Idea Of Creating A Product Photoshot , But let Me Give You A ( Secret Formula ) For More Realism :
Imagine prompt :
- Type of Photography
- Type of lenses
- Choose the Focal Length
- Add The Main Subject
- Choose the Direction
- Select Your Style Design
- The Aspect Ratio
Ps : Before The Aspect Ratio , Add this :
( A professional color grading, soft shadows, no contrast, Clean sharp focus )
Try It And Let Me Know , Good Luck 🙏🏾😊
I will give it a go, let you know
I can confirm it does indeed provide realistic resulsts.
@@im_an_alien7818 Am Glad To Know That 😊🙏🏾
Thanks
You could combine this with image promts so you can use your own image to get a certain perspective you like. This can be useful if you already have your product shots.
That's a great idea! I know more now, should do a new video. 😁
Beautiful! Very inspiring approach and while I enjoy the hyped up atmosphere I’m glad to see a calm delivery of an idea that has a real purpose
Yes, nowadays you need to be a bit over the top with the clickbaity thumbnails to attract people's attention. I kind of hate that but that's the game we're in. Thank you so much Robin!
Awesome guys! Looking forward to the next video. As you know I have been playing around with this too, so this is right up my street. See you next....... TIME!
Awesome Aidan! Thank you! The next episode will be out soon.
This video is such an awesome video! I can’t wait to get more in detail and depth
Yay! Thank you so much! More stuff coming soon.
Nice concept. Can’t wait for the next videos.
Coming soon!
I remember when digital camera sales started to eclipse film camera sales. There was a great hue and cry that photography would soon be dead….. and here we are, same song different verse. To some folks, every advance in technology sounds the death knell of whatever they’re doing now. It’s been my experience that techological advances favor those who embrace them right away, making the new leaders in the industry. The amazing thing is that there are photographers still using bellows and plates to make great images.
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Appreciate this video tutorial to combine our photography with midjourney.
Thanks a lot!
Ça va être trop cool !!!!!!
Yes, very interesting stuff I think! 😁
I'm a photographer doing a lot of architectural work and shopping centres. Often, I need my scenes to look busier than they are in real life. I simply cannot wait to be able to shoot a scene and have an AI engine populate it EXACTLY how I need it to be as well as fix any defects etc.
Soon
Yes soon. Soon AI will making photos of the shopping centre from the plans. As a retiring pro photographer I see the landscape (cough) changing radically in the near future. Why will a designer hire a photographer when they can create a product shot, or fashion shot, or whatever, from the comfort of their desk and tweak it till it’s exactly as they want. I’m not suggesting photographers are about to go extinct en masse, but if I was just setting out I’d be thinking long and hard about my career choice. Midjourney and the like have their limits, but man they are just learning to crawl, and they are scary good right now.
@@robinhodgkinson 100% agree. If I was a product photographer, a retoucher or an illustrator I'd be getting worried, very worried, very soon. I suspect Adobe isn't really far off announcing some kind of "prop AI retoucher" tool (for an additional subscription fee of course) where all you have to do is highlight the areas that need to be tweaked and it'll do it in a heartbeat, that's my guess anyway. I'm also getting there'll always be value in photographers capturing "real moments" such as events, editorial stuff etc but anything setup (fashion, portraits etc) is also probably very much at risk I'd say.
@@maxmouche Yep, Adobe will be knee deep in it - big changes are close. We'll be saying..."remember when we used Photoshop and did all the retouching ourselves"... laugh laugh...
@@robinhodgkinson I'm exactly in that "boat". I've been a photographer for a long time on the side. Just now considered getting into product photography as my dabbling in it has me loving it. But this has me really second-guessing my path. If I had been doing it for some time with an established clientel, I wouldn't be so worried and would pivot to using this as a tool like those in this video. But with no established clients, who would hire a photographer for their prices when they could produce something like this for less and less time. Businesses are always looking for the most economical means to market and this may just render the new product photographers like me pretty meaningless and force us to change paths :(
well......its not mid-journey, its magical journey for sure......looking forward to it......
😁😁😁 Yes, indeed!
Waiting for the next one!
Next Sunday! If you're not a coffee supporter member, that is, then it's out now 😁
Thank you very much for this video !
You are welcome!
I need to watch the next videos! When are they out :D?
From now on I will always post my videos on Sundays at 4 p.m. CET.
So... next one this Sunday!
If you have a picture of the champagne bottle you can prompt midjourney to create a setup from it.
Yes but not a specific champagne bottle
You can use your product image and mix it with the midjourney AI image. No need for your method anymore., Midjourney will do it for you.
Can't get that to work, please tell me more!
How??
Show an example when you got a good result adding the product into MJ
I used Stable Diffusion for compositing, and compared to your workflow, I always felt that the images produced with Stable Diffusion were not as stunning and lacked a bit in texture quality. However, its advantage lies in its strong control. After continuous tweaking, I obtained a series of usable images, although the process in between was not smooth. In the end, I used PS bate for compositing, and the generated images may not reach advertisement-level quality, but they are at least suitable for commercial use. I hope you can also produce a series of videos about Stable Diffusion, hoping to gain more inspiration👍
Thanks for sharing. Never used Stable Diffusion and I'm not sure if I will have time to learn... maybe one day 😁
So good to see this! And so much fun to try. I think it may be helpful to use it as like mood board, brief, art direction, and present the clients what it may look so we'll be sailing towards the right direction. Brain storm and to have a visual presentation.
Exactly!
Exciting stuff, thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks
Thanks for this wonderful tutorial. My frustration is importing REAL designer dresses for editorials. They are all interpretive even when importing the actual dress from the collections.
Glad it was helpful! Yes it's a bit tricky.
Did you find a good workaround for importing real products into an AI scene? Thank you.
Great vid. I wonder if it could help to use an actual product shot of your preferred product as an image prompt and then add the written prompts to it. Perhaps you could get something closer to actual before you then comp in the actual product in photoshop.
I've tried to take the photo of the bottle we shot and added it to MJ and used the same prompts but MJ keep generating random bottles. Might be me who's not giving the MJ bot the correct prompts 😁
Midjourney is releasing an API soon. Should make for some really interesting products. Even better if they add a dreambooth like fine-tuning system.
Exciting times...
WoOOOAA!!! AMAZING!
Thanks a lot!
This is awesome. Im going to give this a try.
Have fun!
Does Oliver Fox have a TH-cam channel? I like to see more on how he uses MidJourney. You can add your own image by using plus icon in the prompt box then side click the image to get image url to add in to the prompt.
Not yet but I think he might plan to start one...
Thank you for sharing your process. I wonder if would be possible to combine Ai with mods in Blender 3D or any other software for CGI. That could give more immediate control on environment, props, light direction, texture and such. This process could be made as a pattern (simillarry to filters in photoshop). They could be transferable or repeatable for many products. Or shared between people to use on their photoshoots of similar products. Just a thought.
I'm not into the CGI world well enough to know what can be done. But probably it's possible as you suggested.
Can you do this the opposite way? Can you upload your photo of your product like on a solid background and then AI it into a forest scene or whatever?
Some people claim that's possible but I have yet not figured out a way to do that. Maybe in other AI tools but not Midjourney that I use. Maybe in version 7 or something 😁
Midjourney journey begins 😂
Indeed!
I think you can reference a secondary image using a URL of the image... ive seen people combine two images with the MidJ using links... but you have to use a valid image link
Yes I tried that but not with good result. Still learning 😁 Thanks!
@First Healthcare Products Very good!
Is it possible to add your own products into these scenes/prompts?
Yes, but not with a good result.
@@botvidsson any other good software/app that can do that you've come across ?
Not that I have tested no
this is why im here lol looking for this too
Google "create product photos with AI", a bunch of apps will come up. I don't know if they are any good tho.
insane indeed
😁
I see many comments being skeptical of using AI. Same thing happened when electronic music came, when they started using samples to make music, when they started using only computers to make music, when movies makers started using CGI in movies. There are always skeptics who feel that their fundamental understanding of a subject is challenged. End result is what matters. No matter how to you call it - it's part of a process in order to create images for people to look at. Clients will always need efficient solutions to promote their products and services and they are gonna get it. Are photographers still afraid that Phone photography is getting better and better? Doesn't matter.
Forgot to mention - great video and looking forward to see the result! In the mean time, will buy MJ subscription and start building a database of images that I can use later to blend with my product shots.
Thanks! Very wise words. The fear of the new will always be there with many people. This is just the beginning and I will keep an open mind. Why not try it out and see what it brings to our world of photography.
The funny thing is that this video is by far the most successful on this channel for years 😁
@@botvidsson It's controversial for now, but I think it's a good thing nevertheless, all the buzz going on. Anyway, I think a role of a photographer is becoming a bit more complex and will eventually require (by client request) to be competent in creating any image that clients requires, to turn any idea into marketable imagery. And till now, it could have been quite expensive to find a suitable location, bring gear, hire a team etc. Now if a client wants his product in a perfectly lit and never before seen rainforest in two days - he can get it for a reasonable price. I think this is perfect for photographers and digital creators.
This has nothing to do with fear. I think most people like AI and what it can do. The point is that they cannot feed AI machines photographs off the web without the permission or compensating the creator of that image. If AI producers paid photographers to create images to feed to the AI, no one would have a problem with that, except like you said, the people who are afraid of AI.
Is it possible to create the image like you have and then just remove the bottle in midjourney or does that mess up the image? I prefer the idea of what you are doing here with regard to AI, the only thing I would say at the moment AI image have a "look" I follow a few high end photographers that are using it and the images do look the same some how
You can create an image without the bottle but I find it easier to have a reference. You can type (--no bottle) but I don't know how MJ would react when you give the prompt "bottle", probably better to just create a forest scene then. Yes I agree, the AI look is there, much better though in version 5 that just came out.
How do you get print quality images from MidJourney though? I'm enjoying it but the output quality is a bit lacking
Yes I know. We're in early days. On MJ5 the quality is much better and I tested to upscale with Topaz Gigapixel and it looks sort of okay. It all depends on what you're going to use the images for off course.
There are AI plugins that you can use to upscale any image online. Worth googling. I’ve already used one for actual client photography to turn a print ad’s image into an image large enough to fit a wall at a conference, but I can’t remember the name. Just look for AI image upscalers/enhancers. :)
Need to look into that
Hey guys, what is the time you spent in getting the right prompt generated ? Compare to simply search images bank or talking your own images ? I don't see any time saving...
The final image took maybe 15 minutes to generate. It's a HUGE difference to create your own images instead of getting a stock photo online. To get this photo in Sweden right now is impossible, winter time.
Can we add or replace a custom png photo of a skincare product to it?
In Photoshop anything is possible
Hey great video! Anyway we can get what kind of prompt was used for midjourney at 3:15 or even on the second comp for the blue bottle in 2/3?
Thanks! Sorry I do not have them, prompts made on Oliver Fox's computer.
You dont have to copy, just press UP on your keyboard.
Yes thanks. We got that tip in a comment below. But you have to be fast though...
When is part 2🤔🤔😀
Next Sunday!
If you're not a coffee supporter member, that is, then it's out now 😁
How is this easier than using Dreambooth with Stable diffusion to create product shots?
I don't now, haven't used any other yet
I know this is a bit harder but I wonder if it is possible to go the "Reverse way", I already have my pictures professionally shot by a photographer (But I am not one), however, I do need to change the ambience of them to target a new client base. Is it possible to mold the AI around the picture we already have?
Yes in Photoshop
@@botvidsson Chatgpt Vision
Midjourney /describe
I would see how an extra prompt option like 'use seed #4' as a start for the next generation picture would help a lot in the refining process. Is this possible yet?
Kind of, you can use the seed for the 4 images and also add a link to the specific photo you like. Helps a bit in my experience
now this is how the elite uses the application while the other cry
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as a client I'd pay 1/10 of the price for a computer generated "image"
I was just about to say this. lol
@@v_stands_for_value124 why is that? If the outcome is better? Aren't you paying for the final result? No matter how it was achieved?
That was kinda sad! I’m 65 and about to retire and go sailing after a 40 year career as a pro photographer. And as much as I’m excited by all the AI stuff happening everywhere all at once, as it seems. I felt like I was watching someone playing with the instrument of his demise.
Midjourney is learning to crawl. The text instructions and editing and results ( although pretty damn impressive) are still primitive by comparison to what is literally a year or two away. This is all going exponential! AI will obliterate the industry as we currently know it, as it will many others. Sure there will still be some need for photographers, but why is a designer or agency going to bother hiring (and paying!) for one when they can tell the AI on their Mac what they want, then ask it to change this or that, from the comfort of their sofa. If I was just starting out I’d be thinking about a career change.
Yes, I kind of agree. It is sad and exciting at the same time I feel. What will happen in 2-5 years, there will be some big changes in the business for sure.
I'm 23 and I think the same thing since the first moment I heard about those Ai generous, it's like those morons photographers teaching everyone how to take decent photos on their phones, you are literally showing people how to get rid of you, generators are the end of product photography but for real
I think one day the only valuable pictures will be shot on film and the drawings will need some sort of certificate of authenticity
I'm a photographer who loves the old style like W Eugene Smith and Sally Mann. I was sad to see those arts lost to photoshop artists, then I decided I had to become one. I've been using AI for product photography for the last couple of months, because it's the new tool, (like photoshop was). So instead of becoming sad, I'll become a photoshop/AI artist. Funny thing is that one of the shots I made was for a knife company on a mossy patch a lot like this thumbnail photo. So I guess we still aren't really as creative as we could be, even with all possible imaginative realities.
@@thesouringgentleman then you my friend are exactly what I’m talking about and perhaps a little ahead of your time. Good on you for getting into the transition earlier than most. The writing as they say is definitely on the wall. Note to self: sell pro cameras and lights tomorrow! While I still can.
@@v_stands_for_value124 If you add so little value as a professional that teaching somebody how to take better home pictures with their phone threatens your career your business was doomed to begin with. A majority of product stuff is already replaced by 3d for the last couple of years. The product stuff you see from Apple or Adidas is CGI. The work is always there, you just need to adapt. You should know that when you get into any creative field. You are constantly adapting and if you can't you'll perish. Has been like that forever.
but how do you paste your own product there? say the logo and branding?
The client ordered one photo with the product in the center
QUESTION. What is evcereybody doing with these pictures. I would love to do this all day but I have to work and make a living. Is anyone profitinmg off of this midjourney? Thanks.
If you worked in the creative design space then you would be saving time and that is money
For me, for the moment, it's a great tool for creativity/time saving for my as a photographer.
I would suggest that since this technology is in it's "infancy" most everyone is experimenting and learning. Some may be throwing stuff out there and trying to sell it and due to the novelty they will but I expect the majority of serious users are just putting together their "game plan" of how to incorporate it as another tool like photoshop. Remember Adobe will be incorporating Firefly into their products in the future. When that happens it's "game on".
Can you use your own bottle and blend it with the background?
Not that I'm aware of. Maybe soon...
definitely you can
@KOG IMI So share! No image - it didn't happen
Much more interesting would be if one could generate the same image but without the hero bottle to avoid retouching it out of the picture. An empty shot only with the props…
Keen on testing Adobe firefly…
You can definitely upload your own image and add prompts to modify the image, however the results are pretty unpredictable so would be better the blend your image into the AI generated environment with Photoshop I think
Question: can the current generation of AI be able to produce architecture? If so, what kind of implications could we expect for just that industry alone?
As in building blueprints...I should've said that. sorry haha!
Че за тупой вопрос? ИИ нарисует тебе любую архитектуру парящую в космосе и под землей. вопрос только в том сможет ли инженер-строитель это реализовать...
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I think a combination of ChatGTP and imaging prompting will be able to creative viable blueprints for architecture. HOWEVER, it will have to be trained to do so thus needing a skill to guide the AI technology.
Can You say something about the resolution of the image? How big can it go?
It's not big, yet.
It depends on the aspect ratio you pick. In this video we used 3:2 (1344x896 pixels) and then I double the size in Photoshop Enhance/super resolution to 2688x1792 pixels.
There are now many different AI upscale apps like Topaz Gigapixel.
I sell furniture online. Do you think I can use this tool to produce ambiance photos of my current furniture items ?
Hmm, interesting. there are probably better tools for this than Midjourney but... it can be possible I think
ok the guy to the left is Danish, but live in Sweden, the guy to the right is 100% swedish, correct? or do you just sound like this case??
Hehe. I am 100% Swedish (guy to the right) and Oliver is... well. He lives in Austria right now, but I think he grow up in USA, might be wrong though.
if your thumbnail was what you submitted as a product photo i would reject it on the basis that it doesn't read. why is my logo covered by any shadows at all?
So have the ai change it to whatever you want 😂😂😅 I think the thumbnail gives you a good idea about the possibility of details
@Dallas Segno Sorry, I do not understand...
Can you print 8x10 or 16x20 inch images with midjourney?
No, not without upscaling in separate upscaling software like Gigapixel AI
Used the same prompts at 7:26 on Gemini in Google Docs and got the exact same results as you.
Wow, cool. How's that even possible!?
Open Google Docs, click on the star "Ask Gemini" icon to your right, then enter the same prompt. Here's the exact prompt I fed it: create an image of a brown gin bottle on a rock, moss on a rock in a forest, dark and moody, sun ray lighting from behind@@botvidsson
Mid journey has copyright over any images made with its software
How would you get around the copyright?
When you are a paying subscriber you are free to use the images you create in Midjourney however you like. Midjourney can also use your images though. That's what I read on Midjourney's site.
Exactly, you will not own the copyright of the images but I can use them in any way I like.
I'm curious to know if compositing a photographed bottle (in this case) would make the final image a "derivative work". If so, we may be able to claim copyright if the change to the Midjourney image is substantial enough (in the UK at least).
Interesting perspective, there are so many questions right now around AI images and it's probably too early to get the right answers. Time will tell.
That copyright is hilarious considering their system was built on the back of stealing artist's hard work.
can I ask for the background, I don't have midjourney, I would be very grateful if you provide it and I will immediately subscribe.
greetings from indonesia
Sure, no problem. Here's the MJ background we used: shared-assets.adobe.com/link/b41c6e70-d189-4f60-432f-41e14c68252f
how put our label design?
What do you mean?
These images are made off the back of images illegally scraped off the web without owners permission. I am hoping the lawsuits win and for these companies to delete the databases and create new ones where they have to ask permission and or agree to compensation.
Very interesting times...
@@HammerLeaf Not really. The music industry went through the same thing. MC Hammer used a sampled drum riff from Rick James Super Freak for “Can’t Touch This”. Information Society took samples from the cast of the Star Trek tv show and use them in a song “What’s on you Mind (Pure Energy). This was legal at the time in the 80’s because they were snippet samples and the new song was derivative and fair use but because of the lawsuits and eventually the 1991 U.S. District Court case Grand Upright Music, Ltd. v. Warner Bros. Records, Inc., digital audio sampling ended as derivative works. You cannot take even a tiny snippet of a drum sound from a cd and create a derivative song and this preserved musicians rights. It took from the 80s until 1991 before musicians copyright claims were upheld. Right now Getty has a lawsuit against Stable Fusion. Only time will tell
@@HammerLeaf So what, If I were a corp and knew the courts were going to protect copywrite laws, I would accept as many image I could before it became illegal. It is never to late to protect the rights of content creators when they have laws like copyright, which AI database makers violated when they took images off the web without the creators permission or without compensating them. I took years before sampling was banned from being use in music.
@@HammerLeaf Look, I am no lawyer but this is what would do. I would go into court, ask AI to make a landscape. And it makes a beautiful landscape. Then I tell the AI company to remove all the pictures that were taken of the internet without the creators permission. and remove it from the database and make that same image. And when it can't you think the judge or jury is going to rule for the AI company? Humans have copyright laws. It is already shown that computer AI programs cannot copyright. They have no rights. But the people who took those pictures do have rights and the humans who illegally to images and fed them to AI will have to be responsible if found liable. You cannot reverse everything, but as a judge I would say that the AI company could no longer use those databases. I would say that anyone using AI programs would have to move to the new AI program and databases that the images were legally obtained and anyone making an AI image from the old database and software and sells or buys those images would be liable for law suit. No one would go to jail but you will be paying money for violating the law. But that's me.
@@HammerLeaf I am not a lawyer or a judge. I did work in the computer industry. If there is a judgment, make it illegal to run the old programs, order microsoft apple and linux to update the OS not to run the old AI programs. (Over the years they have broken many programs without a court order). The AI used to make the image probably can identify it made the image using the same algorithms to create it. I am not going to spend hours coming up with hypothetical but I assure you, it could be easily enforced.
Imagine how fulfilling and powerful it would feel if you could artistically create those background photographs from scratch yourself instead of relying upon other people's creativity or an Algorithm image generator..
Absolutely, I always prefer to create real photos but when you have to create a summer forest image in the middle of winter this can be a great option.
"Other people's creativity"... that's not how I see it at all. The AI tool is just a creative tool of mine.
@@botvidsson If the tool used someone else's creativity to create the images then it was filtered using their creativity often without their permission. A strong photo image library of your own work, built over time would make it possible to create a summer image in winter.
@@deroux Like photographers looking at other images to get inspired the AI tool does the same. There’s not a single stolen pixel. I don’t see a problem if a AI tool getting inspired by my photos to generate a background.
@@botvidsson Is the final deliverable image wholly based on your photography?
No, but my creativity
photographers using AI that trained on their (someones) previous work.. kinda like the snake eating itself :) let´s see where this will take us :)
I hear you but I don’t agree.
I think photography and generated images will go (at least) two separate directions. I prefer working standing up and walking around and figuring stuff out to sitting at the desk telling the generator to change the shape of the rock for the twentieth time (for example). photography didn´t kill painting and "AI" will not kill photography.
Yes, you and me both, but I love to explore new technology.
@@botvidsson Yes. It is a tool for making imagery. You can use it a lot. You can use it a little. You can decide not to incorporate AI in your work at all. I've taught myself to become competent in AI because I know at some point a client will ask if I am familiar with AI and I feel the need to say "yes". Not too far off from generative fill which I find myself using often when retouching. I recently was going over some images a retoucher worked on for me that came from a big job I had. The client then asked if I could get rid of a reflection in an iPhone and in a gas pump. What would have take quite a long time really fell into place quickly with generative fill---the cousin of AI....
#oliverfox so angry
Angry!? What...
@@botvidsson Can you tell me the name of the track in the background?
open.spotify.com/track/2VG1x1it3M7m3ltqqe4PlY?si=0eb3ad9b403b4bdc
That's why Bitcoin exists. You need an deflationary store of value for the shrinking market value of your design work.
Don't understand a word
@@botvidsson Please Google Jeff Booth. He described it well in the book "The Price of Tomorrow"
I believe this is destroying the art of photography , I am totally against this , it will kill the creativity of artists and new comers to photography commercial field
I don't agree but I hear you and understand your point of view.
your time is up. these tools are going to change humanity for the better.
@@dxbrasky I don’t think so, specially in terms of the low quality results. Anyway I don’t really care
I 100% agree with you and its pretty sad but must adapt while its early and be head of the crowd
Funny thing how people who never picked up a camera seem to be seeing this as an opportunity. Meaning the less creative community. So sad people thinking this will help photographers
it already helps, nothing sad about that
@@botvidsson give it some time. Companies will have 3 d images of product and midjourney background. Why would they need a product photohraoher.
Or disenfranchised community that can't afford thousands of dollars of camera equipment...?
@@kochtrevor intelligent people know that photography is not about equipment. I got an image published in a big photo magazine with equipment worth 300 eur. Also, sa creative person knowing light etc . Which takes years to learn, will be able to use anything really. So hopefully i will be able to use ai also
Yes soon almost all product "photography" (and other) will be 100% CGI.
There's nothing "mindblowing" about any product photography that's only 2000px x 2000px. Completely useless commercially. Until AI can output at hi res it'll be just a sketching/ideas tool only.
It's called "clickbait thumbnail" 😁 That's the game we have to play. However, you can upscale using an AI upscaler. Or, on social media 2000x2000px will be mind-blowing for many people.
Dude are you serious. This is all just getting off the ground. If there’s a commercial demand the AI will produce any res it’s asked to by the developers.
More like useless comment. You can just upscale with no problem. But besides that, except for printing it BIG (which I rarely see clients do), there is absolutely no reason you need resolution bigger than 2000x2000. Social Media is gonna compress it anyway and your website would just be cluttered with file sizes too big.
Spot on!
@@robinhodgkinson That's why I said "Until AI can output at hi res it'll be just a sketching/ideas tool only"
Please leave out the music.
The music is so subtle in this video, is it really that disturbing? I know some people dislike music in videos and others don’t. Music is so important to me personally so probably I will always have music in my videos. Sorry.
@@botvidsson the music is fine, you can barely even hear it. I love how people always find a way to complain when someone else creates something.
Thank you. Needed to hear that. 😍
@@SportsNutritionsSchweiz It's called Jun by the artist Kevin Graham open.spotify.com/track/2VG1x1it3M7m3ltqqe4PlY?si=85c4a66fdf074dea