How AI "Artists" are making money with Midjourney right now
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it’s wild to see how many people are misunderstanding the video that we made. i think it’s because the topic is so charged and everyone is coming in with their own biases. the human brain is bonkers.
it feels like they are storming into a room and already yelling without listening.
Most people don’t even know how the damn thing works and are just repeating what others are saying.
> *the human brain is bonkers.*
Amen to that - seems like internet discourse is effin difficult regardless of the subject - and for some reason it is easier to lose nuance, calmness, or to allow those things to get lost. It is frustrating as hell.
It’s not for everybody to understand and that’s the best part. Only for a selected few 🙋🏿♂️
Good work
Out of context wanna know which mic are you using in this
Throwing an old photo onto kahma revived it better than any restoration app ever could. Crazy good.
Great video! I imagine many people might be feeling a little vulnerable at the moment with AI’s potential, I certainly am! But your video inspires me to keep creating, for my sake at least and to be inspired by the potential these new tools provide. That’s where the value is…
even if you give out your prompt ...it generate completely different image from yours when I put in the same prompts . its just the way LLM models work at its core. So doesn't matter if you give out your prompts👍
if anyone can do it very easily then there's no value in it since you can generate what you want to print and hang yourself. I use midjourney to generate wallpapers for my desktop and for color inspiration. I can't bring myself to monetize anything that generates.
You are great at this. Thanks for sharing.
@MangoStreet Slap "photo" at the beginning of your prompt and "soft or sharp focus" at the end of the prompt" makes one hell of a difference. Oh and erm what's that thingy called again..oh yes..Raw mode makes a huge difference if you select it for the aesthetic of these types of images you show in your video. I've been finding that if you type in the /shorten command to shorten your prompt, 99% of the time it strikes out photo realism; photorealistic, etc, however as I mentioned it seems to add soft or sharp focus by itself, especially in 5.2 for some reason in both the /describe and /shorten commands, just thought I'd share..use it....don't use it...u know...sell it on Squarespace that kinda thing...ok peace out
This is the best video I have seen explaining how to prompt. Well done. Thank You
Yeah midjourney is amazing and fun. You could do the same with stable diffusion and some of the models out there are out of this world. It’s getting better exponentially so fast.
How do you have so many channels on discord, the general going from 1 to 20? i have only 3 general for example and i checked all in ''channels & roles'' there is no more options to add them
Great video, thank you. When is your next in person workshop?
Great Video and info! Keep up the great work!
Nice info guys thanks
just one question i didn't understand, what does the "stylize" do on the image?
I think of it like this lower stylize the more the AI stays strict to the words in your prompt, the higher the stylize the more the AI goes wild and does whatever it wants.
@@shakostarsuncorrect
The problem with Ai art is that anyone can do it so that decrease the value of Ai art because theirs to much of it and also no copyright protection
everyone can take a photo
@@Aryaxis Not applicable tbh. Midjourney is trained to be aesthetically pleasing so it's literally at a push of a button. "Floral patter" - baaam, hundreds of images. Gary is right. Market will saturate so fast.
That’s why it’s better used as an inspiration or iteration tool, concept art etc. Also I can see the prompts themselves being copy protected at some point.
if that was true then why are "gatekeepers" being mentioned? clearly we are now seeing that there is a massive difference between the "general stylized aesthetic" that the Ai model can produce in a basic prompt vs the individual style that makes certain Ai artist stand out, so these AI Artists are suddenly being called "gatekeepers" this is silly. The problem is not AI, the problem is simply the sense of over inflated entitlement of certain artists now being rattled because they shaking in their boots and their egos have been rocked. I am an artist myself, spent 18 years of my dedication to my craft I have been very successful throughout my career, I have no problem with AI, whether someone can copy my style or not it does not matter because when you reach a certain level or part of your career, your collectors are not buying your art only, they are investing in you as an artist. So if artist who are starting out can use AI its a great advantage because now they have a tool to assist them in advancing in their process in whichever way they choose, how they use it is really their business, and good luck to all of them. Nobody owns creativity, everyone uses tools and techniques, take away the tools and techniques from any artists and what will they be left with? So stop looking at AI art being the problem its fear-based.
@@cinematic_monkeynope, a lot of ai art looks cheap and lifeless and it reveals how tasteless the “average” of all artworks is. People who prompt put out more commercially viable ai art, and it is usually pleasing to the eye but usually in no way presents a unique outlook on life or humanity in any way, therefore to some not qualifying as anything more than commodity. I really hope how people will see this as time goes on
I totally understood and I appreciate this video! People won’t be happy if you do or if you don’t.
What is the size of this art and the dpi?
Fantastic video. Thank you for sharing 🙏
These tools can greatly enhance the editing process and help photographers achieve their desired aesthetic.
I didn’t know bout the describe function. Thank you! Great video
Thank you for the honesty !! I loved this
Hello mango street, which website would you recommend for the prints and the frames? Because the customer will download such jpg files but they need a website to which prints on a matt/glossy paper, frame it and then get shipped it to their homes??? kindly mention 2-3 websites if you know....eagerly waiting for your reply
yes plz
printify
If shame won’t make them stop, share their secrets and stop their gatekeeping 👏👏👏
what secrets?
Midjourney is available to anyone that wants to buy it also there are tutorials all over the place so I dont understand the gatekeeping comment, if other people took the time to take the courses they can do the same things
@@oni_imagetv1331 the gatekeeping is referring to those who use AI to get their pictures, sell prints for thousands of dollars, and then don’t share any of the prompt keywords they use because “it’s hard to come up with them”. It’s not about the actual accessibility to the platform
@@emilyr_8927hmm,so they keeping the prompts hidden ? Is that what u saying ?
@@emilyr_8927because they don't want people to find what prompt is being used ?
So, given that AI generated "art" / output of things like midjourney can't be copyrighted in the united states at least, I can just go ahead and copy that persons work and sell it for $500 less than he does. Or just for $100 a piece to make a small but quick profit. Way easier than doing the prompting myself. Heck, one could even sell the intro to the new Disney / Marvel show "Secret invasion", as it was AI generated (unless they used 100 % their own work for source material).
I basically agree, the only thing is that we can’t know for certain that these images are the exact one the AI provided. If they made some edits, they might claim it’s a different “art piece”…
@@sprocket_holes The question will be if just "some edits" classify as significant effort or amount of creative work / human authorship that makes copyrighting it possible. For example, the comic book that used AI art and received partial copyright protection recently. It was determined that the individual images are not protected, but the book as a whole is. So you can just take the art of that comic book and sell it piece by piece and nobody could stop you.
Lol, that's a wil ignorant take, and you can't do that, I dare you to attempt making any money like that. You won't because you cant.
@@Trespasnice hehe
But where does one sell them if one copies that artists work or at one at least makes ones with the prompt ? And Sell it to Disney ? What? I’m curious about how one does that ? :)
I wouldn't say it's hard, but it can be difficult to get a cool looking or an image you want
Wow! Love that it can write a prompt from a picture!! Great share
thank you so much. you guys are the best and def gained my respect after this video
Yes, this is exactly how I feel about these AI tool. They should be a way to aid writers, artists, etc not to replace us. I don’t have fear of these things, I’m excited about the possibilities. Sure some jobs will be replaced initially, but will come back once it’s realized you can’t replace humans
I really appreciate your videos in how yall are helping people use these tools, not creating fear and then charging people to take a course from you to play on their fears
Absolutely, I am director of photography and I often use mid journey as a tool to inspire new creative directions or working with art department in giving them a better idea what I am looking for.
If you can’t beat em join em
.... And this why I subscribe to Mango Street. Love you guys!
Is this legal to use AI generated someone’s existing faces for commercial use ?
The cringe in that IG post is tough to bear. For a $10 Discord subscription, you, too, can be an artist! But this was a nice little intro on how to use this shit since my job is basically forcing me to....sigh.
Love this video. Thank you
its about making money, not art.
For some that's true, but for some, that was _always_ true. AI didn't invent capitalism or greed, any more than it invented forgery and fraud. Greedy people gonna do greedy things. If you don't see the difference, that sorta suggests where you stand.
can we get prompt by uploading image on midjourney
thanks in advance
Hello, I’m an abstract artist and would like to use my painting within the ai artwork. For example at the background of someone (ai generated) is this possible to merge the two somehow?
Thanks, this was helpful and informative!
Yeeeees! This was a needed video!
Keep up the great work
this is unbelievable. Thanks for sharing
Definitely. Gotta hustle
From Hell AI artists were born and back to Hell they will return.
Amen! Anyone can write a prompt, and even the phrase "prompt engineer" is ridiculous. There is no art to any of this, and the only "engineering" is knowing a few key phrases. It is at any basic level theft to use uncompensated work by artists and photographers to create machine generated images, and theft is what AI "art" is. (Also, isn't it simply cool to know that someone -- a person -- toiled and loved and hated a work as they created it, that the result is an ineffable expression of the human spirit and therefore "magic"?)
You are a legend for sharing this. May you shine in all your endeavors 🙌✨
I really like this! I see endless possibilities
I have a question, I would like to start a monthly digital art magazine where I would like to feature and promote AI-generated images prompted by others. Can I do so for commercial use? Who is a copyright owner if these images were made by AI?
If you just enter a prompt and have an ai output an image that image can't be copyrighted. In order to be able to copyright an image the creator has to be significantly edited by a person. (What constitutes 'significant' isn't super clearly defined as far as I know.)
yes Of course you can ... you r the copyright owner... great idea though.... Don't forget to Send me your 1st copy 👍
Love this and your perspective on the whole AI phenomenon right now
Wooow Jonas Peterson got called OUT!
On point! Love it.
Can it be upload to Flickr as well ???
I haven't been notified by mango channel for a while now, not sure why, but I really enjoyed this one :)
most of our subscribers don’t get notified anymore. even the ones with the bell turned on. i think you just gotta check back because we still post at least two videos every month!
I've been experimenting with midjourney for quite some time now, and I believe I've gotten pretty good at it. It has completely replaced the need for using stock website. But, when you say we can sell "prints" does that mean I have to print that artwork and then send it to the customer or can I just share the high res psd file???? also where can I do this?
Basically once you make a site you can connect it to a system that will print and deliver your designs to your client without you printing yourself.
Well said
For art's sake, this is going in the wrong direction. At what point will AI "artists" (prompt engineers) copyright their prompts so that no one can essentially do the same thing with the software so they can sell something a machine created. In time photographers will not be able to sell their images as it will compete with the AI image industry.
Very helpful for some who recently started using midjourney
Yeah. I think it's fine to sell prints of something you use AI to generate. But $1,500 that's bonkers.
Honestly the generated phots are dope, but they should be like $15 not 1500 especially since it van take less than 1 hour to make
If someone would you pay for it, you not take it? lol ok
@@bryantnojang709the art is in selling it for 1,5k.
@@bryantnojang70915? Lol ain't selling for that low u nuts
@@bryantnojang709I will create something and people willing to pay u potatoe
Excellent vid thanks 😊
Brill! really enjoyed this. Thanks
revenue must start with publicity, but there are artists who keep paywalling their works, which is even worse in NSFW where they send it through messages, proactively killing their reliability in order to tackle piracy. AI is just an ultimatum.
The tone of this video is pretty much perfect.
Love this, Thanks.
i am still thinking that the people making money with AI Art are theo people who tells you how to make money with AI art.
True. Masses aren't yet idiots to pay thousands of dollars for ai images
During the gold rush the people who made the most money were those who sold the shovels
@@friedchickenlover7291 haha. good said.
Can you upload your own photos and videos and edit it the same way you just did?
I greatly appreciated your video, particularly the segment where you addressed the issue of certain individuals attempting to create barriers to entry in the AI Art community by portraying it as overly complex. In reality, it is quite accessible. Thank you for shedding light on this important topic.😊
My entire workflow is in every image I create. That is not figurative. Comfy UI literally puts the json workflow into the image. If I share that image with you, you can not only recreate that image, exactly, but you can also make the prompt your own by changing the prompt or adding or subtracting nodes from the workflow or changing the models used. That is how AI artists roll.
Subscribed! Whens the NFT tutorial coming?
They got in quick because they knew how it easy it is and everyone would jump on it. Pretty obvious business model!
How to make Money? How and where to sell those Pics?
You have no idea how much I love you for this!
I love how this video showcases the possibilities of AI-generated art and how it can serve as a starting point for creativity.
yes but the database of ai is completely filled with illegals scraping of websites like artstaion, shutterstock and copyrighted personal website photos
It's no creativity, that is called theft.
🤔 Art?
Someone correct me if I'm wrong here, but isn't the output file tiny?
You can also use AI to upscale things.
Love your input, but as a photographer, I'm now sure I agree with you that AI cannot be used to make money. I do, and it does not take away from my other types of work.
The prompts are more complex than your video makes out, especially depending on the mid-journey version used, the level of your membership, which in turn tells MJ how many characters it can read. Then, of course, there are countless hours upscaling, correcting, formatting, finding the right printing papers, presentation, uploading, marketing and eventually selling.
You really should consider this before making a quick video to really sell your business ... which I like by-the-way.
This is eye opening!
It's 2006 and we're all working at Blockbuster!!
Did I miss something? The video only say print on the demand to make money? Everyone already knows that
I wanna know where they sell the good stuff at.
Why do they need to use workflows, AI models, controlnet and scanning drawings that takes weeks to make 1 image? Where do they sell such AI arts on? Are prompts not enough that they need to use more AI tools?
Is this discord anything else than a messy front end for Dall-E? If so, the original is cheaper lol
I literally just watched this video 2-29-24, & it is now 3-2-24, wow
R.I.P Iris Apfel
Thanks for sharing this.
Is there any evidence that people are actually buying this stuff as art? Who would buy it and why? The corporate uses are obvious but as art in the real money world I don't see it. We all know what it is and how to get it for free-ish ourselves. This stuff just looks like hyper detailed NFT "art" which was never actually art at all. The idea that everybody couldn't come up the the prompts on their own yet they want to operate in the space of an artist pretty much sums up the culture we live in now. We have a tool that allows any expression of ideas possible through the written word and people still need help with it and are worried about producing product that conforms.
the guy we referenced in the video has sold out two print series. one was $1500 / pop and the second one was $1700. when i read through his comments to see who was actually interested in buying, it seemed like most people didn’t understand how little went into actually generating the images, which is why we made this video.
@@MangoStreet Yeah but I'm not sure that counts as evidence. Hopefully you know about all the fake sales of NFT's and how they are gamed to create an art market that essentially doesn't exist. There are sales involved but they're more trades within a financial system than anything the average person would consider selling art to an individual who actually wants it in their life.
@@MangoStreet where is the evidence though? isn't that just based on what Peterson is putting out there? I'm not finding it credible.
you can look at his tagged instagram photos to see that there are actual sales.
@@MangoStreet You think those are real? How would you know? You are aware of how much fraud is currently in the digital ART world and how it works, right?
Date nights got so much easier with a kahma quick portrait, no filters needed!
Yeah, I remember when Photoshop or Illustrator started getting traction everybody was threatened and said "it's just mouse clicking". Now the same thing is happening with AI, but the real artists will separate quite fast, just as previously.
Also: so making money by speaking to a camera and trying to get people to buy stuff from a big company is okay, but selling stuff you actually spent hours on isn't? A bit hypocritical here?
Also 2: not everybody has the means to buy a camera, good lens, lighting, studio time, etc , which makes AI all the more egalitarian, which is a big plus over giving thousands of your hard-earned dollars to huge, greedy companies with near-monopoly status like Canon, Nikon, Adobe, etc.
Ai is a tool. Real artist can utilize the tools they have in a very unique manner. People who just generate images using standard promts, standard models, no Lora, no ControlNet, no inpainting, no original tricky ideas are similar to people who just do "Paint by Number".
@@13RedCorpse that's a very naive view. It's almost as if you said that someone who paints with their hands, dirt, water and natural pigments isn't an artist, because they don't use professional tools.
Can Midjourney take a motif or design for a t-shirt that I want to print and display it on a (AI generated) model of my preferred gender?
Great video!!
Thank you❤
Just Googled up JP. Those old lady images are now priced at $1750. Maybe they're "platinum prints" LOL. God bless him and capitalism!
I really liked one of his images, but def couldn't afford it. So I created my own on midjourney and it is amazing! Also JP has a really snooty attitude
I honestly think I missed the part where she explains how people are making money with Midjourney.
Well, she doesn’t really explain, but it’s quite obvious. People are using Midjourney to generate artwork, and then passing it off as their own and selling it online for some outrageous amounts of money…😮
interesting and informative video, V5 still cant do hands I see
I'm truly curious to know how much they make.
Do they really make that sort of money?
People who buy AI prints are either stupid or lazy because anyone can pay a fraction of that to just do it themselves...I doubt this is a very lucrative business model
midjourney is an awesome tool for aspiring storytellers and writers who are broke.
As a guy who lost countless jobs due to my anxiety and depression, i think midjourney is a nice option to help get me started on my dreams.
But believe me, im not one of those people who think doing ai prompts is the same thing as drawing and painting true original art.
Ai is a useful tool but it shouldn't be abused and encouraged. More like a last resort. If you have the money to pay an artist, do it. If you honestly dont and have similar issues like i do, midjourney is a path
Wait… so how are they making money?
Brilliant vid
You're right. AI shouldn't been seen as the finish line. But it will be.
One thing it may point some light to is the areas of photography that are usually seen as the photographer being creative or having a good eye, and photographers were happy to take credit for it, but were really just collecting pretty objects together and taking a picture of it.
AI is going to do something similar to what autofocus did. Make people get really upset when you point out it's not you, it's the machine.
I can see this being a pretty good early trend for people who do high school senior portraits until seniors start doing it on their own. A photographer charges for a portrait so that AI can make fantasy versions.
It’s midjourney, not finished journey
@@knightlight5497 Not me that said finished journey.
She has 3 hands (2:31)
Are images copyright free?
Only if they aren’t of anyone else’s character or look almost identical to another copyrighted image
After watching this video... as a daily midjourney user myself, I approach this as a double edged sword. I understand the lack of enthusiasm regarding this specific case of selling prints (most likely through gelato or similar) for an exorbitant amount of money, but I think disregarding this tool or looking at it as something that's "Going to Take Away My Job" or letting it affect your passion is going about it all wrong.
It allows for exemplary jump off points to enhance projects, provide assets, and more. With Photoshop Beta including their generative fill features, this is simply going to be a new part of the creators toolkit, do I think you should wholeheartedly lean on AI for the final asset? Well not necessarily, but creating pieces within a piece of art that are AI based to me is simply the future. Look at when Email came out, many people were'nt interested, and still sent letters. Now as we all know email is another part of our day-to-day life as a human, but we still get excited when we recieve a hand written letter... similar to how I approach AI Art.
My personal use case generally applies to clothing / graphic tees, I will use pieces of AI generated art, and then bring that into photoshop and alter according to my needs, and am then bringing it into my brands design language. I don't believe in my case that Screenprinting / Fashion / Design will go anywhere as you still need to utilize basic design skills and know design language to create a piece that will actually interest customers.
Make money that's all we care about
Nice video! I set up shop with my AI doodles :)
For me art starts with an idea. And to realise this idea as a piece of art brings joy and deep satisfaction to the artist - but hardly if this is done by someone else or even by a piece of software like Midjourney! Here all you have to do is to enter the right prompt into the keyboard and wit what is happening. To me this has nothing to do with the creative process of a fine artist.
is it free?
All the AI images I have seen so far with people have the same look, as if they were created by the same artist. (basically they are! a computer) The mark of a true artist is having a signature look. Im not sure how this fits into the art world?
You can actually create a very unique look if you know how to do that. Those people just don't know how to use the tool.
Cool idea but my art skills are stuck in MS Paint.
Imagine capturing images never seen by human eyes.
So how do you make money? You did not show that part..
because it’s bullshit.
Is people really buying AI prints?! Thats what i want to know. Who they are, how much they are willing to pay, why, how can i find them?
It's definitely cool... a tool that can be used by creatives. It makes me wonder how AI as a whole will progress in the future. Exciting but honestly a little scary.
Great tool although it’s just a matter of time when AI generated content becomes oversaturated pile of mess.