Product Photo + Midjourney AI Art (part 3/3)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- In this last episode of three I will show how I merge the real product photos with the AI images in Photoshop.
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Thanks for the videos as always, but could you please provide the model name of the bent back light or the URL of the coordinates for purchase?
Here: Sirui Dragon Series Bendable RGB Panel Light B25R - 10% off discount code: "BOTVIDSSON"
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Truly amazing! I can see A.I is going to be used everywhere in almost all aspects of life & art. The more people think something isn't possible the more I think it actually is. Imagine seeing this vid 10 years ago. Gotta embrace it rather than fall behind. I think so many business will die purely because they are stuck in old ways. Great to see you using it positively even in these very early stages.
Very wise words, agree!
Great series
I love this detailed type of work!
Really informative!
Awesome, thank you!
Great videos, thanks for making all three to show the whole process of getting the final images!
Glad you like them!
I feel like Bombay was shot at a wrong angle for this scene
Yes it was, it was late 😁
Excellent! Thx to the TWO of YOU for showing us this new Art Form and HOW TO incorporate these AL generated into an image product creation. It's a World in it's Self.
Indeed. Thanks!
This tutorial just blew my mind. It's amazing to see how AI can be used as a tool to create new scenes that would otherwise be impossible or require a ton of resources to travel.
That said, there's nothing that can compete with your years of experience in photography to make the lighting and editing "feel" real. Maybe AI will get there someday but until then, thanks for sharing your insights! Subscribed.
Thanks a lot Tony!
A real informative series, thank you.The one thing that I dislike is people viewing it as an easy process, but you do need to know good prompting, actual design and without a doubt creativity. Ive recently viewed a couple of channels boosting the idea of logo making using AI which is great if you know the theory but not if you are a beginner designer thinking it will make you rich. But the fusion of both worlds is immensely interesting, and this shows a proper way of applying it or at least one idea of it.
Keep up the fun vids! :)
Thank you so much Alen! I agree 100%
Yeah, this is the opposite of laziness, but people prefer to cry and criticize instead of accepting and trying. Also you can create the exact mood or image you need for any situation instead of looking for other people's similar photos.
Fascinating series!
Thanks a lot!
Thank you for an excellent set of videos that have confirmed for me really that we need to embrace Ai and use it to our advantage.
I agree 100%, Thanks!
As usual high end result thanks for sharing the process.
Thanks for watching!
What an amazing tutorial!
Thanks for sharing the whole process and especially for showing layer by layer how you edited the final images.
But the angle of the Bombay bottle made me nervous.
A little angle correction and perfection was found.
Perfectionisms aside, you've gained another follower
You're very welcome! Yes the angle is off, let’s say we were tired… 😁
Great job, guys!
Thanks so much!
super interesting, a very nice blend of classic photography with AI ! thank you for sharing, opens up new ideas
Glad you enjoyed it! thanks
Great series.
Would love to see more ai stuff.
Thanks again 🎉
More to come! I promise
@@botvidsson great!
Great story on how you get fantastic end products.
Oh thank you!
Very interesting series!
Thanks a lot Henrik!
great job. I don't think it's the future, it's the present actually. Nice shirt by the way.
You're right!
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Nice Project and tutorial thanks man
Glad you liked it!
Great job! Matching the light source and image masking is key. I've been using this technique with live action for a while now with very nice results. I would suggest watching your DOF especially with your first image. It appears a bit too much and reduces the realism of the image but that could just be viewing it on a screen.
Thanks! Yes it's a bit ruff and fast, thanks for the tip.
WOW! Great!
Thank you! Cheers!
Can’t wait to see how this ends! What a cool series.
Thanks Christine!
It ends with all of us working twice as much for half the money Christine, as is always the case with "technological progress" under capitalism. Cant wait either.
@@f4ust85 :Dddd oh cmon
Both images really have their own atmosphere going, which is the most important thing, for me. It's amazing how (comparatively) quickly one can now try out a scene like the second picture without buying all the props first.
I have a small question about the forest picture: what kind of brush did you use for the sun rays (2:36 min)? I've tried to fake them like this recently but yours look way better!
So great you can see the benefits and the creative use for these AI tools.
The brush I installed is a free brush I found somewhere online, google search: free photoshop brushes sun rays
And I think you should find some.
@@botvidsson Funny how I never thought about just googleing "free brushes" haha. The first result was an instant success :)
😁 fantastic!
Excellent
Thank you! Cheers!
Great work. Any suggestion what you would do if a client wanted to change a specific other part of the image? ie swap lime in the foreground of 2nd composition with a slice of watermelon? would it be possible using seeds to prompt a different base image like that?
It will be hard but maybe not impossible if you use the unique seed number for your image and then use the --no command. Might work if you're very very lucky. 😁
I'm not sure yet how this can be used, for clients? Or for portfolio? Or for mood-board for clients? Show different ideas for the client and then when you get a GO from the client you literally work out to the forest and create a real photo.
thank you for the very interesting and informative video series. Just excellent. btw, what are the two arching lights you have in the opening scene? very special looking lights (-:
Thanks a lot! That is a new LED strip light from Sirui that you can bend, I have a video: th-cam.com/video/aqNXdjCGJQw/w-d-xo.html
cant waitttt
thanks mate!
I've loved experimenting with midjourney to create content, my only gripe at this point is the resolution limits, but I'm sure it will improve before too long.
Yes it will. If you are lucky and get a sharp photo generated it will look okay when it's upscaled with Gigapizel.
niceky done, thank you!
Thanks a lot!
Great, thank you, I’ve been looking for someone to use Midjourney into product shots. Soon, I am sure we don’t eve have to shoot separately and join them.
Yes, soon we will all laugh how AI was in 2023...
Great images Martin. Do you feel comfortable putting these on your website, or would you have a separate section on your site called "AI"? If you were bidding on a project, would you even tell the client that you're using AI?
Very good question. If I'm happy with the results I would have it on my website under product photography. If there's a client involved in any way I would tell all about the AI part.
Thank you for creating these videos they've been very helpful and give me hope starting off in the photography field. I'd love it if you had some sort of photoshop course as that is something I really need to learn.
Glad you like them!
Unfortunately I don't have Photoshop courses right now, maybe I should start doing some. Do you need more basic Photoshop then or?
@@botvidsson If you could base it around AI and the concepts/techniques you used in this video that would be amazing. Thank you!
Just chiming in to say I would also buy a course that teaches the principles you’ve shown in this video!
Very nice to hear @@RenaFrith
This is actually crazy
Indeed!
this is really great :) thank you
Glad you like it!
I really appreciate this tutorial. I am just new at PSD and also eager to start glass bottles photomontage from scratch, any PSD course/video/tutorial you recommend us focused on bottles+background editing like this work? Thanks!
Glad it was helpful! My go to guy on Photoshop is this dude: th-cam.com/video/xTzvQkOll2U/w-d-xo.html
so good
thanks
Great series, bravo good sir. I must say though your regular works beat AI 10 our 10 times lol
😁😁 thanks man!
It's so amazing, I wonder how did you got so high resolution images in mid journey ? usually they are pretty average resolution. Thanks
It’s not so big. Only 3000px. I doubled the size with enhance/super resolution in Photoshop. Thanks
This is so fucking cool! Great way of incorporating Ai into our workflow! Well done!👌
Wow, thanks a lot!
I've been considering how AI could help with product photography. Cool ideas 🙂
Yes I been exploring how AI can be used and this is kind of cool way I think too.
The main drawback to this is everything still looks and feels "painterly" I still think in the end, styles will be what set you apart from the AI.
Yes hopefully
I love seeing such a great and innovative approach to product photography. Although I agree with other comments, it’s not the fastest way to make a background image and comp it with the product, that’s not the idea of this video but to show how you can incorporate ai to your daily work. One thing that caught my eye is that the bottle in the second image is WAY off in terms of perspective, imho it’s so off that won’t be usable. Thanks for the videos though, really informative series!
Totally agree! That's why I mostly show the forest one 😁 We did not redo the shoot properly when we hit the rec button. No excuse but it was a long day, very tired. Even though it was very close that I cut the blue bottle out of the video, I felt I did not want to when we put in so much work. After all, the videos on my channel = to inspire! Not to make every single photo client ready 😁 Buy the way, I don't think it's WAY off, just a bit. But a tiny bit off is very sensitive. Thanks
@@botvidsson that’s the idea i get from your video series! It didn’t have to be perfect, but to show how you can adapt your pipeline to this crazy new technology that evolves every day, and I really I appreciate it guys! Besides I like how you take your time to reply every comment in a relaxed way and don’t take any criticism personally. Subbed :)
Thanks man! No problem.
Ahoy Martin! How did you export images from mid journey to use in post? For a photographer that shoots mostly one light and one photo using backdrops and props in the photo to make a more natural photo, one idea I have now is a quicker video with the process of prompting, exporting, shooting a product with one light (and probably one photo as well) and using it in post. That'd be a much appreciated video for photographers in general I guess
Hi Pedro, yes I will do more AI stuff for sure! Great idea. Prompting, upscale, export, upscale again, shooting product, merge. Can't promise that I will use only one light source though 😁
.. thanks, Martin! .. excellent vid and hoping to try with Firefly when its available (less possible IP issues than Midjourney by all accounts) ..
in 5 years we will look back and laugh at how "complicated" and undeveloped it was in 2023
I really love the idea of where this AI intersects with photography. My question is about the resolution. It's showing at 1024px x 1024px and can be "beta" upscaled. When I tried the upscale the image became usable (too much unwanted detail). I tried the Beta Redo and that was much worse. Martin, I'm curious if you have a workaround or is this just where we are with the technology at the moment. Thank you so much for these videos.
Thanks Jennifer! Well in Midjourney 5 the images are a bit bigger and I just click the regular upscale. Think they took away the Beta Redo...
When I upscale the upscaled MJ image in Photoshop Enhance function the image is almost 3000px on the longest side (3:2 ratio) and it will work for portfolio, mood boards, instagram et cetera.
Good day sir, really thank you for your prompt tutorial. So many videos in YT are click baits until I viewed your video. So detailed throughout the tutorial. Btw, I don’t have any photoshops or editing skills, do u think I able to use the prompt to achieve something like you did?
You are welcome. If you have a clickbait title you need to deliver, that's my philosophy 😃
Do you upscale images from MJ? Because the final image has small resolution there(approximately 1000x1000) and your final shot of a product could be like x8 more higher.
Yes, I upscaled the MJ image in Camera filter raw/Photoshop with the enhance/super resolution function. Doubled the size, not enough really but for this tutorial it worked fine.
There's Topaz Gixapixel you can buy $100 or here's a another free AI upscale tool I found that I use now: www.upscale.media/upload You can upscale x4 and don't forget to click "Enhance Quality".
for the bottle in the forest: the label is missing the sub-surface scattering (the light passing through the paper itself and making it look a bit lit, much like the shade of a lamp). I speak as a CGI artist and we use to do this quite a lot. Everything else is great, well done.
We did not like that so we pretended that the label paper was very thick 😁 Thanks
really nice work dialing in all the color and shadows. I was a little disappointed in the Gin bottle photo perspective not matching the original scene very well.
Thank you! Cheers!
(Yes it's a bit off, very tired at the end of a very long day. You'll get the idea and concept.)
Just curious, What is the thing stick on your computer? The orange one🤔
You mean the golden one. It’s a SSD.
Great content! I actually did it myself yesterday after seeing your first two videos in this series. It was my first time to use midjourney and I used it to create extra layers like leafes. I've had a lot of fun composting some random bottle I've found online and the results are mindblowing. Thank you for this series. It was eye-opening
Welcome aboard! Yes it's very addictive 😁
a m a z i n g!
Grazie mille!!
great
Thanks mate!
Very nice video!!! Just a quick question because I'm struggling with midjourney. How can i export high quality images for example 3000px and more? cause i can only export in 1024px.
Hi, I often use aspect ratio 3:2 (--ar 3:2) and then you get 1344 × 896 pixels. Then I upscale in Topaz Gigapixel.
Right now I don't think it is possible to get bigger images out of Midjourney.
@@botvidsson Thanks a lot Martin. Really appreciate it!
Extremely impressive and love the video and the final result. Would the output be good enough for print, once the background has been upscaled? And the only issue with the photo is the size of it, the bottle is too small in regards to the set. So how would you go about fixing that?
Yes I think it's good enough for print, maybe not this version only upscaled in Photoshop. If we upscale in Gigapixel it will be great.
How can you tell that the bottle is too small, I wonder? The bottle IS kind of small.
@@botvidsson Maybe I am used to the 1.5L bottle? I think they do a small version, but given the size of the bottles in the background, I feel it should be bigger to give it equal value. I don't know if that makes sense, but I would think so. Will you do more vids like this? Totally awesome and great work btw.
This spirit producer, Stockholms Bränneri only do 500 ml bottles, so I think it fits kind of ok.
I should really do more of these kind of vids coz I never ever got so many views on a video, like super popular topic!
@@botvidsson yeah maybe. But do stuff that you want to share too not just what tue crowd wants, only way to stay true to yourself. I am a pro- photog in switzerland and it inspired me to do some things too. Actually let me sayrephrase that, this gave me the energy to try some new ideas too. 👍️
@@booradley3146 Yes, I am very fascinated with the AI stuff and that's why I share. That it is POP right now is a bonus for the channel.
How long did it take you to edit each photo? Thank you!
About 1h each
cool
Thanks! 😀
Thanks for the video! It's incredible how fast the photography industry is changing at the moment! My question is, how good is the quality of the image produced by Midjourney, and is the quality good enough for a client to be able to print large format prints?
You're welcome. Right now the images very small, around 1400 pixels on the longest side. Hard to say if it's good enough for print. Here's an image I upscaled to around 6000 pixels: shared-assets.adobe.com/link/d65b8708-ec1d-4925-5e54-d2a4377cceed
@@botvidsson Thanks for taking the time to respond, and for sending through the image. The quality of the image you sent me is actually pretty good and you could definitely use it for printing smaller prints. Do you use Topaz Gigapixel to upscale the images?
Yes, correct. Gigapixel. But... this image I think I used the free online upscaling tool www.upscale.media/upload
It all depends on what kind of image you manage to create, this is probably the best upscaling image I ever created.
Great watch, thanks for the amazing video. I look forward to seeing what else you come up with as the AI develops. I'm dying for an invite to Midjourney to try it out for myself. How did you obtain yours? Thanks again!
I did not know you need an invite. I just created an account right? Thanks for kind words.
@@botvidsson You're absolutely right, it doesn't require invite. Thanks again and very much enjoying your vids sir
Thanks a lot Jonny!
Hiya! Not sure if this was mentioned somewhere else, but how do you upsize the AI image apart from upscaling it in Midjourney?
I use Gigapixel AI, cost $100. There are other free alt online though. Like www.upscale.media
@@botvidsson Thank you for getting back to me and sharing your knowledge l. How does it to PS’s AI upscale?
It's better than PS upscale I would say
这工具太棒了
Yes, it's fantastic!
Hi, very great tutorial. Is it possible to have / buy the final PSD for training ? Thanks a lot
Yes, absolutely if you in the next ten years join my channel 😁 Maybe you already has...
Here's the .psd file: shared-assets.adobe.com/link/141dedb0-86f5-491c-7535-cea07ccfffa0
Enjoy!
@@botvidsson Thank you very much, I will join your channel now 🙏🏻👍
You do not have to, but if you do - very generous.
You do have over 50 special member-only videos to watch if you do though. 😁
Beautiful images! I think an important question if you want to use this in a business though is if you can copyright an image like this. So far in the US it seems AI generated art is not copyrightable. This is a bit different because it is a combination of your work and AI so who knows. If you can't copyright it though it would be hard to license rights to it.
Yes, very true. For the moment I don't think this should be used as a final client image, this is more like a reference or client presentation idea image. When you get a go from the client you start producing the image, the real photograph.
However, if a client want to use this real/AI image from Midjourney, that might be a problem. I hope they will solve this issue soon, or we have to move to one of the other AI gen tools.
If I’m not mistaken, MidJourney allows you to have the copyright if you are using the paid version. You’d have to check the user agreement but that’s what I remember seeing. If that’s the case then, yes, the photographer/creator would hold those rights. I’m not a lawyer just passing alone what I’ve seen.
@@jonlockwood1996 Yes, if you are a paying midjourney customer you can in a sense use the image however you want if you do not create already copyrighted creations such as Spiderman. Even if you create unique images, you can never copyright your AI generated work unless you add and alternate the image enough that your personal handiwork can be considered to surpass the AI generated image. That's how I interpreted the US law. However, this will be on a case to case basis if you can get a copyright or not.
Very interessting so whats possible. I also think that the steps you are now doing manually via photoshop can soon be replaced by automation.
Absolutely. Very soon.
That was a nice video series from a "real life" everyday production. Finally no unicorns, fairies, superheroes and phatasy anime characters and Dragons but "real scenes". The resolution probably won't be enough for print ads yet. But you can see where the journey is going. Some stock agencies might fall by the wayside...
Only the background music in the videos was a bit distracting...
Thanks! Yes, as an experiment I have created people stock images and see if they will be accepted by the stock agencies... that will change a lot. And yes, this is just the start.
Ps. Sorry, I love to have music on all my videos, it's very subtle though 😁
@@botvidsson Yes it was not much distracting but it should not be louder ;)
I'll try 😁
Depends on the printing size. Gigapixel does a really great job upscaling images.
@@Amayuscula But do not forget if the packshot is done with an IQ-back or similar and it is printed in A3 or bigger, you will notice the difference to the upscaled background immediately…
Beautiful to see. Combining real photos with AI got its own aesthetic. I'm slightly worried that over 5-8 years, commercial product and food work will be heavily influenced by AI. And if this bleed over to cinematography. Well shit.
Yes, probably very true. Thanks!
Doing similar using photopea since it's free haha
Oh nice! will check it out.
The midjourney images are quite small resolution in comparison to using your camera for a product shot. Are you upscaling the midjourney image?
Yes I doubled the size in Camera Raw Filter (Photoshop) with the Enhance/super resolution function
Yes just double the size in Photoshop
AI upscaling is certainly better than earlier tools, but it’s still no panacea. It works quite well for filling in skin details and keeping object contours clean (if still a bit overworked), but these particular subjects - glass, reflections, etc. - create areas of detail that don’t upscale crisply or cleanly. This is especially a concern for the spirits market, where the brand image of a quality product is paramount. Midjourney et al will improve resolution over time (and probably sooner than expected), but it’s not good enough today for magazine ads or billboards. That said, this video series is an excellent exploration into adopting new imaging tools into the pipeline.
I am curious why you are not using programs such as stable diffusion to train AI to learn the appearance of your product, and then directly produce the scene and approximate appearance of the bottle, followed by adding text post-production.
I haven't tried this yet, but I think it could save a lot of time.
Haven’t tried it. Sounds cool though.
agreed, what tools would u use to train it?
name em and ill give it a try
I´ve tried to train a Chepoint with dreambooth with a soap bottle it doesnt work really well but this test was lke 2 months ago maybe now with SD 2.1 its better
Hey bro, as far as you know , there isn't a way to upload a product photo into whichever platform and generate background?
I tried uploading my brand's product photo into MJ ,but when I churn out a bg , it mutated my product photo into completely something else 😅😅😅
Not possible in Midjourney but I think there are others like stable diffusion
@@botvidsson stable diffusion is stable confusion , hahaha I'm sticking to MJ , I have to thank you for this video though, my boss loves my generations and techniques I learn from this video
@@awfully.average Amazing to hear! Great!
I'm wondering how long it will take Midjourney to offer a premium tier that generates images greater than 2K. Imagine the impact that this process would have on professional projects if the start point was an 8K image or larger!
Have you tried running the imsge from midjorney through any upscalers?
I'd imagine it would be a ness since midjounrey definitely relies still on our brain filing in detail where there either isn't any or the details are wrong. Like it'll look very realistic but if you zoom in on stuff you'll see a lot of leaves, grass or smaller objects are actually just nonsense on a small scale and only look like a leaf or what have you because of positioning and context.
However it's certainly come a long way already in just a year.
I think that will come soon! That would be great.
@@ancientflames I have, but I haven't achieved any results that I would consider 'production quality' (yet!). It's true that the image may be bigger, however the details are usually off. What we have now is great for digital campaigns for sure. I can't see it working for print quite yet (does anyone still do print campaigns? ha). The quality bar is set very high for still life product photography, but you're right, it's come a very long way in a year and I can't wait to see what the next year brings.
Is there some reason you can't or didn't generat a clean background you so don't have to edit the fake bottle out?
Assuming they just wanted to compare AI's bottle vs. Theirs essentially.
I feel it's easier to have a reference bottle, both for using grass and leaves in from of the bottle that will make it more realistic and also to have a reference lighting that I can kind of replicate. But of course, you can use a clean background.
you didnt give us your philosophy about this ai thing
It's maybe a little too early to say what I think about the whole AI thing, but one thing is for sure, I find it incredibly exciting with new technology and I'm happy to jump on the bandwagon and see if it can give me inspiration in my profession as a photographer. Again, a bit early to say what it will bring but I think it will be very useful in the near future so why not start exploring it.
Around the ethical point of view. Like photographers looking at other photographers images for inspiration, the AI tool does the same. There is not a single stolen pixel. I see no problem if an AI tool is inspired by others images (or my) to create a background for my product shoot.
AI will never be human. We love humans because humans have flaws. AI can emulate flaws, but will never be able to create out of frustration and sorrow, or joy and passion. The much I have seem, in terms of text and images, is pretty much dull. It is excellent, but untill the moment I see a work of art created by a computer that has cut it's ear off with a razor blade and painted it, it won't impress me much.
it doesn't impress Shania Twain much either
So again, how is this different and new from simply downloading any picture off the internet, upscaling it and using it as background for some compositing? Its the same in terms of resolution, control, creativity, ethics, legal rights to copyright it, and so on - you just get less deformations and errors. It seems to me that if you gave most people the searchbar of Adobe Stock, Pinterest or Artstation and told them this is an AI image generator, they couldnt tell the difference.
It can create scenes that simply don't exist elsewhere. For example I had it make an old 80s style computer sitting half buried in sand on the beach. From there all I did was edit something onto the screen in a realistic way.
I don't know about you but I don't think I could find a stock image for that very easily or get the rights to it for a reasonable price. Meanwhile midjounrey is $10/mo for use and like $40/mo for commercial rights too.
Because this is more fun!
You create more exactly what you want instead of downloading from unsplash.com or buying random stock photos.
It's orders of magnitude cheaper too
@@ancientflames Is this the case really, do we see "scenes that dont exist elsewhere"? I see mostly totally generic stuff in teal and organge. Well its "cheaper" because you are not paying the artists whose work was scraped from the internet and used in the dataset. On the other hand, good stock photo can come in 50 megapixel resolution: this comes in 2K.
@@botvidsson So yeah, its a novelty act, I see.
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