I was shocked when I saw this video on my feed lmao Mainstream Indian mobile youtuber is talking about linux on mobile... not even ubuntu touch, this is straight up phosh/gnome mobile
😂 Some time I think I'm the only one worried about Tardy and schedule , Accountability. Imagine spending $ 1,299 in advance and hoping it will delivered in 4 years. 😮 My friend have lots of patience
The 4 years had multiple reasons though. First of all nobody expected COVID to happen. Additionally they could not switch out any important hardware parts they selected to build it because they were also set to implement open-source drivers and firmware for them as well as guaranteeing customers firmware support. Then another problem was that the SoC they use for the device gets used in the automobile industry as well. So they pretty much run straight into heavy supply chain issues.
If you are a Linux user like me , You might have noticed it's basically a mobile version of Gnome Shell running on top of a pure os which is based on Debian
The plan is to switch from Phosh to GNOME in the future, I assume. Currently Phosh is still favorable over GNOME shell, even with its mobile layout patches.
@@softwarelivre2389 It can do a lot more than that. It can pretty much do whatever a Linux desktop can do. The hardware specs just get in between at times.
@@softwarelivre2389 Which lack of development? I got new kernel updates today. I can run latest version of any flatpak app easily. Pretty much every week I can update some piece of software on it, since you have access to rolling release app cycles and Purism still does active development on their end just with less frequent updates.
So I do have the same device. What I ended up doing is that I found ways to sideload my android apps. While still not the best solution, it is definitely a step in the right direction. As of now, you’re having to choose between privacy and convenience.
It seems like the OS (the Linux distribution used) here is based on the Gnome desktop environment because all the apps here are the gnome apps with just a mobile responsive UI but the implementation could be much better. It feels like they have taken Gnome and tried to patch it to fit inside a phone.
Gnome itself trying to port to mobile form factor with libadwita and libhandy, actually this is Phosh shell.. gnome is developing their own mobile os named as gnome os mobile and that looks good you can find that on TH-cam
The user interface (phone shell) is called Phosh. There is also a official GNOME Shell Mobile which is pretty different. There is also KDE Plasma Mobile
Nothing stops you from loading waydroid to run android apps on this It'll not perform the same way but it's pretty good on something like a pinephone or an android first phone running linux mobile like pmOS or droidian
Hey Beebom, Your content is always informative and well-researched, making it a go-to source for tech enthusiasts like myself. Keep up the fantastic work! 😊😊
The applications on it being open-source isn't even that impressive. You can get similar restrictions with FOSS Android ROMs like GrapheneOS which even go further with security overall. However PureOS provides you with open-source firmware and drivers for close to every piece of the hardware. It's pretty much impossible to get that with any Android device because hardware vendors lock down their firmware so heavily. So running a FOSS version of Android might come with limitations that you can't use your camera or some other sensors at all. The Librem 5 gives you a pretty reasonable option in that case already. It could be more secure when it comes to multiple attack vectors. But in terms of privacy it might be the best option available. So hopefully Purism can continue with their project and make a further iteration addressing the shortcomings in terms of specs.
There is cheaper and better alternative is PinePhone build by pine64 supports many other Linux Distros even the sailfish OS which is pretty dope. And btw Purism use Gnome as a desktop environment for their phonre maybe kde or xfce4 will work faster.
That's the TruePrivacy advantage. Unlike Apple, where you can have a conversation about any product with someone in your home or office and suddenly start receiving ads for it.
Bootloader unlock krne ka option dede toh postmaster os jaisa kuch use kr k Privacy control kr kar sakte hai.. Pehle asaan tha but ab muskil hai. Vivo oppo k toh namumkin ho gye bootloader unlock krna
What about import duties, can you please tell something about that? And Can you please check volla phones. I want try it but not sure about the import and other charges,
So if by any chance i join RAW and become paranoid towards the end of my life and decide to live on some remote mountain, i know which phone to use . Thanks Beebom🙂
We don’t need hardware kill switches if the OS doesn’t allow apps to access cam and mic in the background and let’s us disable background checks for location etc. Unless you work in.. military maybe?
Depends... The OS does not come with a permission model like Android. So in case you want to run some third-party software which you don't fully trust, it's very easy to restrict that. Also you don't need to trust the OS in all cases. After all even Android could have an unknown vulnerability which potentially leaks access to your camera or microphone. In such a case a hardware switch would still restrict an attacker. Also in some countries you want to make sure not being tracked at all cost, even as civilian (for example during some protests). In such a case you can kill base band modem and wifi modem completely. So it's not possible to track you via your phone. But you will still have access to some functionality of your phone.
If privacy is important, getting a feature phone would be a better option than buying this. After all, there are practically no third party apps in both, but a feature phone would be way too cheaper.
Well Android runs on Linux Kernel so technically all Androids are Linux Phones. And Beebom has some great Linux enthusiasts in their team i dont see their inputs in this video.
Android usually comes with big limitations though. The typical Android you get out of the box, isn't rooted. If you want to install whatever you want, you need to tinker with adb, developer settings or some custom FOSS store apps. You can't easily develop apps on your Android device while PureOS gives you tools like git, ssh, gcc and more from its repository. It's effectively a Linux desktop in the palm of your hands.
Oh and please put "Librem 5" or something like that in the title so we know what device it is when we search for it. I'm afraid to not find this video again when I try to send it to my friends.
Apps which is asking to access all management of files, is this a threat as without giving that permission it cannot be used. As I can see file manager, gallery all has the access.. Pls elaborate
Beebom channel is one of the very few Tech channel I follow now a days, Every Good level of production & Neat presentation of video 👍. As a Indian channel it's pretty Good for atleast to show Other country citizens while remaining Desi channels are busy in cringe jokes, Pani Puri language gibberish & awful Quality.
Lol! And for "#privacy" reasons was an artificial insemination by a Mr. Gnome shell into a Mrs. Linux fork. Seriously, wait until the Gynae doctor shoves the baby phone into neonatal and advocates baby phones with apps in the cloud are better than "resident" apps! Lol!😂
It isn't linux based, it really seems like Ubuntu 18...if we'd wanted to upgrade in phone is certainly not the wifi or Bluetooth but 'Camera' and 'Screen' 😊
You can install anything on this. But best option is likely sticking with PureOS since Purism is providing you patches for the kernel and some software way faster than other distributions. You can still install any tools from Kali repositories on this though.
if took FOUR years JUST TO DELIVER, imagine how good is the customer service
Mobile service after we die 💀💀
😅
the customer service is actually incredible. The folks at purism are very active and friendly and are active participants of the Linux community!
@@anirbandutta6913they are not even giving refund.. how can you it's good customer service
here before this blows up!
Beebom, out of everything on TH-cam today, has surprisingly found a niche which I'm really liking. Keep doing what you do guys!
What is the niche according to u , which u r saying? Pls share❤
I was shocked when I saw this video on my feed lmao
Mainstream Indian mobile youtuber is talking about linux on mobile... not even ubuntu touch, this is straight up phosh/gnome mobile
Agree
Exactly 💯
Mrwhosetheboss done a better Job a couple of years back
Balance is needed, between privacy and usability. Nothing can be ideal.
You mean Nothing Phone?
Nothing stops you from sandboxing android apps on this using waydroid
Takes some setup but it's doable
@@aman.vashisht😂
@@aman.vashisht😂😂😂
Nah bro. Nothing isn't good cuz it runs android 😂and it's unreliable
He said "6 months turned to 4 years" so easily. Hats off
😂 Some time I think I'm the only one worried about Tardy and schedule , Accountability. Imagine spending $ 1,299 in advance and hoping it will delivered in 4 years. 😮 My friend have lots of patience
@@AMAZINGGRACEMARATHIit was $799 back in the day but still, crazy stuff
The 4 years had multiple reasons though. First of all nobody expected COVID to happen. Additionally they could not switch out any important hardware parts they selected to build it because they were also set to implement open-source drivers and firmware for them as well as guaranteeing customers firmware support. Then another problem was that the SoC they use for the device gets used in the automobile industry as well. So they pretty much run straight into heavy supply chain issues.
You guys had the patience to wait for 4 yrs, hats off to you guys
Kudos for trying this! I hope that this phone is a harbinger of good things to come from the Linux world to the smartphone world.
Gnome Posh Shell!
More Linux phones please.
one of things that companies should consider in their phones is selfie camera cover slider. like some Lenovo laptops.
That feels a little redundant on this one :p
@@Vancha112true, the camera doesn't even get eletric current when the switch is turned off lol
@@softwarelivre2389 right ^^
Hardware switches are definitely better. You can even save up battery life, turning things off and the software looses signal immediately.
If you are a Linux user like me , You might have noticed it's basically a mobile version of Gnome Shell running on top of a pure os which is based on Debian
That is Phosh shell, beboom should have tried gnome mobile os
Yup PMOS
The plan is to switch from Phosh to GNOME in the future, I assume. Currently Phosh is still favorable over GNOME shell, even with its mobile layout patches.
If there is no features in the phone then there will be no privacy issues too. That's a true smartphone 😂
Well, it can make calls, SMS, use calculator and flashlight. Access the web and play some games. It will get better some day, I hope so.
@@softwarelivre2389 It can do a lot more than that. It can pretty much do whatever a Linux desktop can do. The hardware specs just get in between at times.
@@thejackimonster9689 it was a joke, my friend. The main problem is not even the hardware, but the lack of development still
@@softwarelivre2389 Which lack of development? I got new kernel updates today. I can run latest version of any flatpak app easily.
Pretty much every week I can update some piece of software on it, since you have access to rolling release app cycles and Purism still does active development on their end just with less frequent updates.
This is the type of phone a SPY/secret agent would use in movies😂😂
yes!
This phone is amazing, ngl the specs require some upgrades but not bad for an average phone user
So I do have the same device. What I ended up doing is that I found ways to sideload my android apps. While still not the best solution, it is definitely a step in the right direction. As of now, you’re having to choose between privacy and convenience.
It seems like the OS (the Linux distribution used) here is based on the Gnome desktop environment because all the apps here are the gnome apps with just a mobile responsive UI but the implementation could be much better. It feels like they have taken Gnome and tried to patch it to fit inside a phone.
Gnome itself trying to port to mobile form factor with libadwita and libhandy, actually this is Phosh shell.. gnome is developing their own mobile os named as gnome os mobile and that looks good you can find that on TH-cam
The user interface (phone shell) is called Phosh. There is also a official GNOME Shell Mobile which is pretty different. There is also KDE Plasma Mobile
Gnome has the best collection of mobile-friendly apps on linux. That's why...
You guys are just killing it
Brands can get inspiration from fairphone as well.
People who wants absolutely best privacy , they should go with graphene os . So they can use the device unlike pure unusable phone.
Nothing stops you from loading waydroid to run android apps on this
It'll not perform the same way but it's pretty good on something like a pinephone or an android first phone running linux mobile like pmOS or droidian
I generally watch many tech TH-camrs. But beebom tops my priority list
One doesn't need to be paranoid to stay secure, security is an outcome of being wise.
Please do a video on fairphone
The upgradeability feautres are soo much needed in todays phone ❤😍
But yes it would hamper the IP Rating and slimness of the phone
Hey Beebom,
Your content is always informative and well-researched, making it a go-to source for tech enthusiasts like myself. Keep up the fantastic work! 😊😊
So, are you able to replace the WIFI & Bluetooth sensors with ones fit for computers, or do you have to order them?
Its laptop’s wifi card.
The applications on it being open-source isn't even that impressive. You can get similar restrictions with FOSS Android ROMs like GrapheneOS which even go further with security overall. However PureOS provides you with open-source firmware and drivers for close to every piece of the hardware. It's pretty much impossible to get that with any Android device because hardware vendors lock down their firmware so heavily. So running a FOSS version of Android might come with limitations that you can't use your camera or some other sensors at all.
The Librem 5 gives you a pretty reasonable option in that case already. It could be more secure when it comes to multiple attack vectors. But in terms of privacy it might be the best option available. So hopefully Purism can continue with their project and make a further iteration addressing the shortcomings in terms of specs.
Don't know whether Beebom is making this video out of ecstasy or frustration after getting the phone after 4 years
When everyday is leg day... and some nights are leg day, too!!
There is cheaper and better alternative is PinePhone build by pine64 supports many other Linux Distros even the sailfish OS which is pretty dope. And btw Purism use Gnome as a desktop environment for their phonre maybe kde or xfce4 will work faster.
That's the TruePrivacy advantage. Unlike Apple, where you can have a conversation about any product with someone in your home or office and suddenly start receiving ads for it.
That mobile and apps interface reminds of HTC mobile we used to have in my childhood. It runs on Kitkat(maybe Android 4 then)
If we are talking about privacy here can you get your hands on Samsung's quantum phones for review? that would be interesting to see.
Props to your patience. I can't wait even 1 year
A video on Fairphone 5 would be awesome 💯
You should keep teleprompter in line of camera.
This is really cool. I hope purism succeed. We desperately need competition to Google and IOS.
Bootloader unlock krne ka option dede toh postmaster os jaisa kuch use kr k Privacy control kr kar sakte hai.. Pehle asaan tha but ab muskil hai. Vivo oppo k toh namumkin ho gye bootloader unlock krna
Why can't oems give dual boot of android and linux
It's for people who posses codes for a nuke.
2:33 bhai ye hacker hai, hacker hacker hacker, hacker hai bhai ye hacker hai
bhai isko kehte hain hacking
4 years wait for a 4 minute video.
What about import duties, can you please tell something about that? And Can you please check volla phones. I want try it but not sure about the import and other charges,
i would suggest use feature phone for ultimate security... 😂
Swappable Bluetooth wifi and modem is my favourite. I wish every phone had this
phone so slow even hacking and getting through will take 4 years, that's the security XD
I am planning on buying OnePlus 11 on Great Indian sale (sept) will there be any offers... & is it the best deal at that price!!!
Isse acha toh kuch acha hardware wala secondary phone lelu jisme sim card nikalne par waise bhi privacy ho jata hai
Bluetooth 5.3 was released in July 2021. So how does that 2019 phone have it?
Have you missed the whole part about modularity? :P
So if by any chance i join RAW and become paranoid towards the end of my life and decide to live on some remote mountain, i know which phone to use . Thanks Beebom🙂
"this feels like a phone from 2019" you did order it in 2019 so
We don’t need hardware kill switches if the OS doesn’t allow apps to access cam and mic in the background and let’s us disable background checks for location etc.
Unless you work in.. military maybe?
Depends... The OS does not come with a permission model like Android. So in case you want to run some third-party software which you don't fully trust, it's very easy to restrict that. Also you don't need to trust the OS in all cases. After all even Android could have an unknown vulnerability which potentially leaks access to your camera or microphone. In such a case a hardware switch would still restrict an attacker.
Also in some countries you want to make sure not being tracked at all cost, even as civilian (for example during some protests). In such a case you can kill base band modem and wifi modem completely. So it's not possible to track you via your phone. But you will still have access to some functionality of your phone.
Price ? 5g ?
that's gnome-shell
Looking for Beebom to do a review of the Fairphone
Seems fun to use but there's no way anyone can daily drive it. Maybe if it had a decent chip you could hook it to a monitor and use it as a Linux pc.
It is not exactly for daily uses, but it is the first step
Why dont you ever look directly at the camera?
If privacy is important, getting a feature phone would be a better option than buying this. After all, there are practically no third party apps in both, but a feature phone would be way too cheaper.
Ordered one today🎉, wait for my review in 2027. Fingers crossed 🤞
Bro can look at the camera and read the script at the same time 💀
The phone is a privacy king bcuz it don't have access to popular apps 😅
This is a phone that only Ethan Hunt would use.
At this stage of time , I am ready to use a daily driver
Microphone kill switch would be a great addition..
You mean separate switches for camera and microphone? Because the switch shutting off the camera will also disable the microphone.
A 2023 version running Android with the hardware capabilities would be great...
But it is too much to ask for ...
Pinephone?
This phone is going to be popular among the professional and celebs. .they had just work on design .
A simple equation if you want privacy forget smartphones and if you want smartphones forget privacy
Is there is a phone in India with satellite calling feature?
Bro please do a video about this
Why is the audio quality weird in this vid?
20W PD charging is impressive rest specifications are boring.
TFT Display
Processor
Etc
THE COST💀
(Fully american made so cant blame it)
Phone arrived after 4years 🤔 modular components toh 2yr baad deliver honge than
Trying flashing Android rom on this phone and make a 2nd part on it.
can't we install apps from terminal? ?
Well Android runs on Linux Kernel so technically all Androids are Linux Phones. And Beebom has some great Linux enthusiasts in their team i dont see their inputs in this video.
Android usually comes with big limitations though. The typical Android you get out of the box, isn't rooted. If you want to install whatever you want, you need to tinker with adb, developer settings or some custom FOSS store apps. You can't easily develop apps on your Android device while PureOS gives you tools like git, ssh, gcc and more from its repository. It's effectively a Linux desktop in the palm of your hands.
If someone is looking for that much privacy it is better to use a feature phone without all those sensors (camera, wifi, bt etc)
Now you guys need to make a video about the Pinephone or the Pinephone Pro
Oh and please put "Librem 5" or something like that in the title so we know what device it is when we search for it. I'm afraid to not find this video again when I try to send it to my friends.
i like mention about the ubuntu touch so called linux os for the smartphone
Apps which is asking to access all management of files, is this a threat as without giving that permission it cannot be used. As I can see file manager, gallery all has the access.. Pls elaborate
you phone will be the most secure, when you don't deliver them at the first place
The phone shape resembles a lot like the Palm LIfedrive.
that does not seem linux based, rather a literal mobile view of GNOME shell as it is!
It is running gnome in an implementation known as phosh and anything with the linux kernel is linux based so yes it is.
2:52 Isn't it actually from 2019 👀
Privacy is a Myth. 😅
Agreed
Android is a linux based os aswell
Need this kind of a phone in future woth some amazing updates
thats gnome desktop environment
Beebom channel is one of the very few Tech channel I follow now a days, Every Good level of production & Neat presentation of video 👍.
As a Indian channel it's pretty Good for atleast to show Other country citizens while remaining Desi channels are busy in cringe jokes, Pani Puri language gibberish & awful Quality.
Why not do something similar with pinephonepro and multiple linux mobile os
me waiting for the phone to get charged.. just charge it !
For some reason, the video had deep fried voice.
ON DEMAND: Budget IEM Battery/Bluetooth Adaptors
Conceived in 2019, took four years to deliver, and appears to be five year old in 2023. Now that is a mystery medicos may lose sleep over.
Lol! And for "#privacy" reasons was an artificial insemination by a Mr. Gnome shell into a Mrs. Linux fork. Seriously, wait until the Gynae doctor shoves the baby phone into neonatal and advocates baby phones with apps in the cloud are better than "resident" apps! Lol!😂
That is a linux distro with gnome on it lol nice
If you have to specify why you bought a product usually means it's a bad product
It isn't linux based, it really seems like Ubuntu 18...if we'd wanted to upgrade in phone is certainly not the wifi or Bluetooth but 'Camera' and 'Screen' 😊
Goes to all that length to make the phone for potential 10 target audience.
Best English pronunciation among Indian tech channel ❤
Ubuntu touch is available for selective flagships.. why this?
quick note,you can install kali on this...
You can install anything on this. But best option is likely sticking with PureOS since Purism is providing you patches for the kernel and some software way faster than other distributions. You can still install any tools from Kali repositories on this though.
Definitely useful for storing por-
With this speed ₹9000 phones would be faster 😂
Where to Buy it from??
Hay bro use "solarin" phone which now used the security personnel... The world's most powerful security phone.
If internet explorer had a phone it would pe Purism