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@@chrisramsey2991 Believe it or not as much as I think the simple mode for Street fighter is going to be amazing for Street fighter as a business I think honestly at least for the tournaments sake it should not be allowed because I realize one thing that the Japanese developers of streetfighter intentionally made the move the way they were for a reason so they’re in that split second decision making Count of your opponent or you get counted yourself and that’s what makes the game so intense and that’s what makes the game so fun is that those awkward motions are designed in a way that you have to give up your defense but in giving up your defense you can potentially correctly counter your phone as well but if you’re off by a split second you will get countered and maybe even lose the Browns or the match and this is what makes the game so intense and so fun and I think at the heart of the should always be that
@@chrisramsey2991 and honestly for joystick players I understand how they would rather roll the joystick like for example a tiger need motion or a quarter circle motion is way easier or back forward motion is way easier for a joystick player but for us directional pad players they should take into consideration that we also want to do those moves but we might want to do it a separate way but it could still be a challenging way like a dragon punch motion in my opinion is doable on the controller more so than ever before in my opinion the half circle motions are way better but in my opinion if I had to choose I love how for example the original Japanese character from the game has the half circle forward kick change to a quarter circle forward kick it still bounces off the wall on amplified X move The reason I say that is because in third strike although I can’t could do it on directional pad I found it way more inconsistent whereas when they change it to Quarter Circle, Ford I never miss now and that’s the way it should be
@@Frosted_Moontips essentially what you’re doing in for me going to Quarter Circle, Ford is not giving up the fact that you have to give up your defense to even perform this move altogether so essentially you’re not losing on what makes the game intense or fun just because you’re changing it now a joystick player might rather do a half circle because they’re probably essentially going to be it’s a half circle is the fourth in other words what I’m saying is the player should be able to decide what their inputs are but the input should still not change with the core essence of the game is which I feel the Japanese game developers did excellently after I really thought about the decisions they made and I started realizing one thing they did it for a reason they did it for a purpose to make the game intense and fun that way although it may seem challenging supposed to seem challenging
I said several times and got the hate for it fully, that Multiversus was not going to hold up becuase it felt CHEAP and floaty, you just cant play smash bros and then go to that, you just cant. Its like having a gameboy and then going to a tiger electronics lol
Theres plenty of people who dont care for smash and how it feels but enjoyed how multiversus felt. The problem was the lack of dev support and the netcode.
Real good discussion as always. Glad to hear you guys talking about DNF Duel compared to Granblue because I find that fascinating. There is a lot of overlap in there with who made the games and where they originated from. But DNF Duel launched with more characters, way better online, a cheaper price, and had a much larger player base at launch. And yet Granblue retained their player base and people kept playing it while DNF Duel vanished. I think it comes down to the single player content in Granblue and the Granblue team actually laying out a plan for the future while DNF had none of that. Either way, an interesting thing to think about.
@@thebasedtaka9418 facts, the FGC talk a good game but they're the reason FG dont do well. If it wasnt for the core fanbase that supports kof/snk kof15 wouldn't have done well because so many people FGC have tried over and over again to say something negative about it
Loved this episode. Always nice to see how the year turned out in the end. I did have one issue and that's the ''game awards don't know what they're doing'' bit. While Keighley(Creator of the show) does have to make some compromises, I think you guys might misunderstand how it actually works. The show does have an 'Advisory Board' but they have nothing to do with nominees or winners. A jury of over 80 outlets and publications vote internally then those votes get sent to the show. Developers can even contact the GA to see the final list of publications and outlets that are voting, then send review copies. So for something to get the nomination it has to actually have been played by a ton of people and most fighting games outside the big three are not. You guys yourselves mention how you haven't gotten around to Them's Fightin' Herds on console yet. And you're the fighting game guys. It comes down to how many people have played my game *then* how good is it. By the by, thanks for the stellar content
@@triplek.o.2192 100% agree. I know people don't like it when creators just copy each other but the BAFTA Games Awards(British Academy) already figured out a better system. Anyone can nominate their own game for a category. Then a jury of close to 700 people play and vote for a top ten. Once in the top ten, a handful of people must play those and argue in a room for their favorites. From every jury I've heard from it's completely the better system. And as far as I've seen they've never had a Sifu fighting game moment.
It's not your traditional fighting game, but For Honor uses rollback. And it works with multiple players all at once. Not just 2, which should be easier.
KOF XV has been absolutely great for fans of the franchise and some FGC hardcore. It's really one of the best KOFs. But it didn't really grab the attention of a wider audience because of some visuals and matchmaking. They were so close. But maybe that's what SNK wants for this franchise, who knows.
Biggest problem is that the netcode and matchmaking are fine in China and Japan (they probably have the same problem but since there are way more players, it's not an issue), so I suppose it's "enough" for SNK. Rest of the world is screwed, and that's sad.
@@DaPhenomAce Lack of content was the issue for me, as it is for a lot of the casual audience. I've been watching a lot of SF6 videos, like the World Tour trailers and also of some people showcasing the character creator during the betas. A lot of people were commenting they would get the game just for the character creator itself. I believe SF6 will be the greatest selling SF game of all time (maybe even FG of all time) and some of that will be thanks to its robust single player mode and customization.
Imo KOFXV is a great game mechanically, but the entire package is just ass. Big roster aside, there's barely any modes, the DLCs are just characters when it could use DLC stages too, and the online sucks even if you have like lobbies with folks from a server or something. It really sucks because I want to play more KOFXV in terms of the fighting and doing shit with Rugal and whatnot, but I also do not wanna play KOFXV in terms of not wanting to deal with the online or the awful matchmaking and whatnot
As a Kof fan Kof XV is really great in terms of gameplay and soundtrack but they could have offered a story mode like Kof XIII and while the rollback netcode is great matchmaking is a really huge issue since it's about to reach 1-year anniversary.
I feel like I’m neutral on Sylvie. I never hated her. I’d rather have her than Xanadu. I was happy to see Najd. If the mystery characters are Duo Lon and Hinako, I would like that too. Personally, I hope the boss for season 2 will be Mr. Karate, but if it’s Goenitz like most expect, that’s fine.
Yeah seeing Sylvie was... something. I know she has her fans so glad for them, I got Shingo & Kim and happy tonsee Duo Lon & Hinako return but I still really want more Art of Fighting Reps. I can't see season 2 being the end for KoFXV even with the slower releases (probably due to working on Fatal Fury now) since I'd be shocked if they ended the game with Hinako.
I'm not a fan of sylvie and honestly snk could have picked a better character to return. But for matt to say snk are just using the same model from kof 14 ummmm it's clearly a whole new redesign like quite literally
I liked MultiVersus at launch. I started using Arya Stark, which is funny because I never watched GoT. I’ve gone back since Arcade Mode was added, and I’m baffled why playing against CPU is laggy like a terrible online match. When I went back, I picked up Wonder Woman.
Kof XV has been great! Never really been that into the series but I did love 2001,XIII and thought 14 had potential if it wasn't so ugly Kofxv just does everything right though complete music backlog,graphics,large roster and the games mechanics feel easy enough for a new player like me to play and hard to master could it use better modes yes but everything it does gameplay wise is good and the large generous roster always gives me room to try someone new
I'm saddened at the lack of mention of rumbleverse, especially in light of the news. But I get it, it's not exactly a fighting game. I'm just bummed about it and I selfishly want other people to stew with me
Loving the videos and the conversations guys. May I suggest a topic for a future episode? Fan Made Games, kind of like Hyper DragonBall Z, Sonic Smackdown, etc.
Not sure how Multiversus proved the F2P model's value. That initial install base was good, but the average player count now is worse than several years old, premium fighting games.
The way it proves it is that so many people checked out or tried it because it was free. The game being how it was caused the player count to die so fast but the reason they even tried it is because it was free, that's the only point he is making
@@krodmandoon3479 They canned it because SNK went bankrupt at that time. There was an interview with Oda where he talked about the new Garou and he said that: - it will be a continuation of MotWs story however, the game will not be called Mark of the Wolves 2 - There will be more returning characters from previous Fatal Fury games, which makes it more of a FF title rather than Garou 2 - The game will have a bigger budget and more single player content than any previous SNK fighting game - it will use a different art style than SamSho or Kof15
@@SlowLearner-z3h Ok but couldn't they have just went back to work on it once they were bought? It's not like they ever ceased to exist as a company for an extended period of time.
@@krodmandoon3479months old but the source code was lost. They couldn't go back to that build even if they wanted to. Even then, I'd rather see something new than them regressing back to an old rom running on early 90s hardware. They said it'd have a different visual style than any of their new games, so maybe they're going for something more unique looking & not late 90s style sprites/ 8th gen cel-shaded 3d. However, if you want an authentic early 2000s MoTW-like on the NeoGeo, play Rage of the Dragons. It looks pretty similar.
I was lucky enough to live in Japan from ‘08-‘11. Did arcades, food, and even TGS a couple of times. Had so much fun. I really want to go back now that I have a kid and let her see it
@@DiSCERiTY It was. As I said, I was just very fortunate to have that opportunity due to my job. My wife and I miss it all the time. For her, she loved the shopping and their entertainment districts. One day, we will visit again. If you ever get a chance to go, do it.
30:00 nah rock isn't ass, he still has really easy confirms and has tools for every situation. He just doesn't have those all of those tools cranked up to 11 anymore
Max actually used the word "comeuppance" wrong twice, so I don't think it was just a mistake. Unless he thinks those games deserve to get punished for their past actions.
One thing interesting I find about multiversus compared to Nicktoons is that the super heroes already exist in another fighting game. Sure, this time it's superman versus shaggy, but Superman Batman and wonder woman were all in injustice. Between both games, I really wanted to play as Zim and Tom and Jerry. Because one was free and easy to play with friends, I was able to play Tom and Jerry. And to what surprise, I still haven't played Zim.
Lolol I would LOVE to play Jack Nicholson in a fighting game. “Coome on over BUDDY. I gaaaht somethin for yeh” *throws head back in laughter while holding a whiskey*
I still hope that street fighter 6 will have a mode where you can fight other people with the character you build if they do that on top of what they already done I don't think that another game will be able to come close to them . I think they already have the best fighting game so far that we have seen in forever.
I feel like the slow down of Multiversus updates has been due to the Warner Bros/Discovery merger to some degree. I'm sure the devs would have loved to add lots more characters from the shows that were inconveniently purged from HBO Max.
Guilty Gear Strive and their character's themes are pretty badass and fun to watch. My favourite track is Trigger, Colour, and Society and Milia Rage's theme and it's inspired me to listen to the full version of the Guilty Gear Strive Soundtrack and past series soundtrack on YT and Sporifty last year to current. And I am looking forward to the future character in the game. : )
I'm a casual & I bought KOF15 as my first KOF in hopes to play a team of Dolores, Darli Dagger, & Sylvie Paula Paula! I couldnt figure out Dolores so I started using Yuri, Athena, & Shermie. I then played every story arc & beat Rugal. Now I play the computer & use Darli, Chris, B. Jennet! I only play the computer because my first SNK was the new Samurai Shodown. So I've never played anyone online because everyone makes it sound like it's not worth it.
I went to Japan from Toronto, it was 13 hour direct flight, and that flight was easy. Played the switch half the time, went on wifi the other half lol.
I liked multiverse because it was free, had interesting characters, noticable/unique specials/gameplay, it allowed me to play w/ my friend instead of against him, and it gave me a reason to continue playing by offering battle pass cosmetics even when losing. But if I had to narrow down these options it would be good gameplay and gave me a reason to keep playing because I wanted to unlock something new cosmetically. Imagine how long someone would grind to have Tekken levels of customization.
Multiversus definitely caugh a lot of attention because of the IPs. A fan of one or several properties represented in the game would hear about it. A game of thrones fan will hear "there's this game with GoT character and Batman" and then check it out. And since that includes some of the most well known IPs in the world, this means that even if only a tiny fraction of these fans actually plays it after hearing about it, that's still a lot of people. Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't have worked as well if it wasn't free to play, in fact exactly because someone who just want to try a game out of curiosity after hearing "There's Shaggy and Aria in a game" wouldn't *buy* a game just for that reason. But on the flipside it wouldn't have worked so well if it didn't have all theses IP even with the exact same game because most of the people who played it would have never heard of it. Both factors impacted it. What worked for this game wouldn't work for everything.
I'm listening on my Xbox and just realized I actually had KOF XIII installed and didn't even know . First time playing it, this shit is damn near perfect
Damn near perfect gameplay and some of the best 2D sprites ever! I understand why they went 3D with the new titles but I wish games still looked/felt like KOF13. Arcsys does such a great job of giving us that hand-drawn 2D feel in HD using 3D models.
Looks like if people don't buy games, they stop supporting it and releasing new ones. But if people buy too many of them, they stop caring about fixing them because people will still buy them anyways, even if they have issues, so it doesn't matter if they are unbalaced, glitchy or have really bad online. They will just make paid dlc characters, that makes money, unlike giving free rollback/crossplay&crossgen. This conversation reminded me of pokemon company don't giving a fuсk about quality
Facts theres now two ways about. It's the only fighting game from 2022 that's still growing strong has and good competitive community and even with its match making faults people are still playing the game.
I know they already had like a whole episode on it essentially, but I would have loved to see more talk on Rumbleverse. I’ve had a lot of fun with that game and I come back and play a bunch of matches all the time. I get if they don’t fully consider it a fighting game but rather just a battle royale/wrestling game.
respect to Justin Wong for talking about the matchmaking for KOF. Max and Matt didn't address that when they talked. If the matchmaking is a fail, the game is a fail. KOF IS NOT amongst the best fighting games of the year at all. Do not put it in that category.
Damn, I know Max gets very excited to talk about fighting games and he's got a lot of information about them but he's gotta let the other two talk. He cut them off and talked over them the entire episode
That was something that happened more in the earlier episodes of TKO with both Max and Matt, but improved gradually over time. I guess Max got a little too excited this episode. He's a pro, so he'll likely be more conscientious about it next time.
I think he meant specifically that free to play gets people in the door (which it did, the launch was huge, people wanted to check it out) and that with the right combination of micro transactions you can make boatloads of money in the first week/month (which they did, supposedly) without totally scaring away players who just want to play for free. It’s obviously fallen off a bit now but launch week numbers are everything in the game industry 🤷♀️
Yes, despite losing 99% of its player base it still has more players then the majority of premium fighting games on steam so I don’t really get how people can argue it doesn’t work. Unless you somehow think “works” means it is guaranteed success no matter what the game is or does.
I’m honestly waiting for the day that 3D fighters as a whole rediscover themselves when it comes to the visuals the way we’re seeing in cinematic animation moving away from the realistic stuff Pixar established and refined in the 2000’s to these really exciting and colourful stylizations in stuff like Spiderverse, The Mitchells vs. the Machines, Bad guys, Puss in Boots Last wish. We’ve got these happy middle ground of what people loved from older 2D animation and the wonders of 3D. Idk man, maybe it’s just me but it feels like we’re still spinning the tires on that front even with SF6 looking as expensive and high fidelity as it does and lord knows the money and effort put into NRS games or Tekken 8 and so on.
@@DCFHazardRebornChannel Well that's good and all, but the fact of the matter is that GG's current look is not a good example for "a new IP coming up with a new style" and you probably want to use a different game instead. It doesn't matter how niche old GG was, old GG existed. Also, you can't say their 3D look was "unique" and then turn around and say that 2D GG had "practically exactly the same style", those are mutually exclusive. It would probably be more accurate to say that their current look is an evolution of their older style, which is indeed a completely different thing than an anime title going full tilt realism or the other way around.
I find it hilarious how they talk about how there are no (non-emulated) AAA 3D fighting games with good online when For Honor has existed since 2017. Yes I know it's not a traditional "fighting game" but still, point stands.
Got the Nickelodeon game and played for a total of 1 hour. It played OK, but there was just so little content as to not be worth it. Was excited for Multiversus because Bugs Bunny, but the second they said F2P I noped out.
Idk about “bust” but man it felt like 1 week everyone was talking about it nonstop but then at some point soon after, NOBODY was talking about it. I’m sure it’ll be like a lot of other live service stuff that just quietly chugs along in the background with a dedicated fan base but idk, something about the drop off in talk for it got me furrowing my brow. I guess it’s unrealistic for every similar crossover game to have alot of talk around it constantly the way Fortnite and Smash Bros does.
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“The past is real”
Justin knows that better than anyone whenever he sees Chun get parried.
RIP my man, he just opened his discord to the public. How many parry clips has he gotten by now?
max actual reason why dnf is his favourite is because there wasnt a character on kof that max could mod himself into
Please tell me you're just memeing XD
The fact that he joked about how much he looks like him then Boom the actually nodded him in. Awesome lol
@@chrisramsey2991 Believe it or not as much as I think the simple mode for Street fighter is going to be amazing for Street fighter as a business I think honestly at least for the tournaments sake it should not be allowed because I realize one thing that the Japanese developers of streetfighter intentionally made the move the way they were for a reason so they’re in that split second decision making Count of your opponent or you get counted yourself and that’s what makes the game so intense and that’s what makes the game so fun is that those awkward motions are designed in a way that you have to give up your defense but in giving up your defense you can potentially correctly counter your phone as well but if you’re off by a split second you will get countered and maybe even lose the Browns or the match and this is what makes the game so intense and so fun and I think at the heart of the should always be that
@@chrisramsey2991 and honestly for joystick players I understand how they would rather roll the joystick like for example a tiger need motion or a quarter circle motion is way easier or back forward motion is way easier for a joystick player but for us directional pad players they should take into consideration that we also want to do those moves but we might want to do it a separate way but it could still be a challenging way like a dragon punch motion in my opinion is doable on the controller more so than ever before in my opinion the half circle motions are way better but in my opinion if I had to choose I love how for example the original Japanese character from the game has the half circle forward kick change to a quarter circle forward kick it still bounces off the wall on amplified X move The reason I say that is because in third strike although I can’t could do it on directional pad I found it way more inconsistent whereas when they change it to Quarter Circle, Ford I never miss now and that’s the way it should be
@@Frosted_Moontips essentially what you’re doing in for me going to Quarter Circle, Ford is not giving up the fact that you have to give up your defense to even perform this move altogether so essentially you’re not losing on what makes the game intense or fun just because you’re changing it now a joystick player might rather do a half circle because they’re probably essentially going to be it’s a half circle is the fourth in other words what I’m saying is the player should be able to decide what their inputs are but the input should still not change with the core essence of the game is which I feel the Japanese game developers did excellently after I really thought about the decisions they made and I started realizing one thing they did it for a reason they did it for a purpose to make the game intense and fun that way although it may seem challenging supposed to seem challenging
I said several times and got the hate for it fully, that Multiversus was not going to hold up becuase it felt CHEAP and floaty, you just cant play smash bros and then go to that, you just cant. Its like having a gameboy and then going to a tiger electronics lol
Theres plenty of people who dont care for smash and how it feels but enjoyed how multiversus felt. The problem was the lack of dev support and the netcode.
Real good discussion as always. Glad to hear you guys talking about DNF Duel compared to Granblue because I find that fascinating. There is a lot of overlap in there with who made the games and where they originated from. But DNF Duel launched with more characters, way better online, a cheaper price, and had a much larger player base at launch. And yet Granblue retained their player base and people kept playing it while DNF Duel vanished. I think it comes down to the single player content in Granblue and the Granblue team actually laying out a plan for the future while DNF had none of that. Either way, an interesting thing to think about.
For me the simple inputs just aren't fun and the game screws you over for trying to do the proper inputs because the buffer is too large
It is a shame that Multiversus lost a ton of its audience!
It's because content creators shat on the game for weeks on end. People aren't gonna buy the game if everyone says it's shit
@@thebasedtaka9418 facts, the FGC talk a good game but they're the reason FG dont do well. If it wasnt for the core fanbase that supports kof/snk kof15 wouldn't have done well because so many people FGC have tried over and over again to say something negative about it
@@Inojin67 Also Granblue has actual characters instead of just archetypes
Mat n Justin’s segways into sponsors… truly a work of art!
Loved this episode. Always nice to see how the year turned out in the end. I did have one issue and that's the ''game awards don't know what they're doing'' bit. While Keighley(Creator of the show) does have to make some compromises, I think you guys might misunderstand how it actually works. The show does have an 'Advisory Board' but they have nothing to do with nominees or winners. A jury of over 80 outlets and publications vote internally then those votes get sent to the show. Developers can even contact the GA to see the final list of publications and outlets that are voting, then send review copies. So for something to get the nomination it has to actually have been played by a ton of people and most fighting games outside the big three are not. You guys yourselves mention how you haven't gotten around to Them's Fightin' Herds on console yet. And you're the fighting game guys. It comes down to how many people have played my game *then* how good is it. By the by, thanks for the stellar content
Thanks for the deepsr explanation. That's still a terrible system and ensures only popular things get recognized.
@@triplek.o.2192 100% agree. I know people don't like it when creators just copy each other but the BAFTA Games Awards(British Academy) already figured out a better system. Anyone can nominate their own game for a category. Then a jury of close to 700 people play and vote for a top ten. Once in the top ten, a handful of people must play those and argue in a room for their favorites. From every jury I've heard from it's completely the better system. And as far as I've seen they've never had a Sifu fighting game moment.
It's not your traditional fighting game, but For Honor uses rollback. And it works with multiple players all at once. Not just 2, which should be easier.
Is For Honor still decently populated? I bought the game and DLC on the cheap, but have yet to actually play it.
For Honor is in the top 5 populated fighting games. I think it is 3rd with 2000-3000 players
KOF XV has been absolutely great for fans of the franchise and some FGC hardcore. It's really one of the best KOFs. But it didn't really grab the attention of a wider audience because of some visuals and matchmaking. They were so close. But maybe that's what SNK wants for this franchise, who knows.
Biggest problem is that the netcode and matchmaking are fine in China and Japan (they probably have the same problem but since there are way more players, it's not an issue), so I suppose it's "enough" for SNK. Rest of the world is screwed, and that's sad.
@@DaPhenomAce Lack of content was the issue for me, as it is for a lot of the casual audience. I've been watching a lot of SF6 videos, like the World Tour trailers and also of some people showcasing the character creator during the betas. A lot of people were commenting they would get the game just for the character creator itself. I believe SF6 will be the greatest selling SF game of all time (maybe even FG of all time) and some of that will be thanks to its robust single player mode and customization.
Imo KOFXV is a great game mechanically, but the entire package is just ass. Big roster aside, there's barely any modes, the DLCs are just characters when it could use DLC stages too, and the online sucks even if you have like lobbies with folks from a server or something.
It really sucks because I want to play more KOFXV in terms of the fighting and doing shit with Rugal and whatnot, but I also do not wanna play KOFXV in terms of not wanting to deal with the online or the awful matchmaking and whatnot
As a Kof fan Kof XV is really great in terms of gameplay and soundtrack but they could have offered a story mode like Kof XIII and while the rollback netcode is great matchmaking is a really huge issue since it's about to reach 1-year anniversary.
Not only that but it's really hard for beginners to get into because of how niche the series was before hand
I feel like I’m neutral on Sylvie. I never hated her. I’d rather have her than Xanadu. I was happy to see Najd. If the mystery characters are Duo Lon and Hinako, I would like that too. Personally, I hope the boss for season 2 will be Mr. Karate, but if it’s Goenitz like most expect, that’s fine.
I wanna see Krauser back, it's been way too long.
Collections we need.
CVS, MK, SC, Tekken, KOF, MVC, Rival Schools, and Power Stone. A GG collection would be cool since I've only ever played Strive.
Fightcade
@@sheyadkins5285 nice
Excited to see if they talk about KOF
Yeah seeing Sylvie was... something. I know she has her fans so glad for them, I got Shingo & Kim and happy tonsee Duo Lon & Hinako return but I still really want more Art of Fighting Reps.
I can't see season 2 being the end for KoFXV even with the slower releases (probably due to working on Fatal Fury now) since I'd be shocked if they ended the game with Hinako.
To be honest, her redesign looks kinda sick.
She feels fresh
I'm not a fan of sylvie and honestly snk could have picked a better character to return. But for matt to say snk are just using the same model from kof 14 ummmm it's clearly a whole new redesign like quite literally
I liked MultiVersus at launch. I started using Arya Stark, which is funny because I never watched GoT. I’ve gone back since Arcade Mode was added, and I’m baffled why playing against CPU is laggy like a terrible online match. When I went back, I picked up Wonder Woman.
The game is bizarrely always online… I’ve seen people get disconnected in single player because their internet was flaky.
48:00 Here Guilty Gear Strive and KOF XV at launch costed half the price of what DNF Duel was; it was dead on arrival.
Kof XV has been great! Never really been that into the series but I did love 2001,XIII and thought 14 had potential if it wasn't so ugly Kofxv just does everything right though complete music backlog,graphics,large roster and the games mechanics feel easy enough for a new player like me to play and hard to master could it use better modes yes but everything it does gameplay wise is good and the large generous roster always gives me room to try someone new
I'm saddened at the lack of mention of rumbleverse, especially in light of the news. But I get it, it's not exactly a fighting game. I'm just bummed about it and I selfishly want other people to stew with me
Tech Romancer is a real gem....might not be as competitive as today's titles....like power stone....an experience none the less.
Am I the only one still hoping for an MK vs Streetfighter crossover?
No I’m hoping for it too… but don’t think it’ll ever happen 🥲
@@Thumper42 KI vs MK would make more sense imo. plus we're still waiting for Tekken Vs SF 😂
@@DjGo99 I agree and I would love to see KI Vs MK!! Oh gosh I guess that will never happen either 🥲 lol
Loving the videos and the conversations guys. May I suggest a topic for a future episode? Fan Made Games, kind of like Hyper DragonBall Z, Sonic Smackdown, etc.
Not sure how Multiversus proved the F2P model's value. That initial install base was good, but the average player count now is worse than several years old, premium fighting games.
We know. Max refuses to acknowledge that because it destroys his narrative.
The way it proves it is that so many people checked out or tried it because it was free. The game being how it was caused the player count to die so fast but the reason they even tried it is because it was free, that's the only point he is making
SNK has said they're going forward w/ a new visual style for Garou 2/New FF
I hope that "new" style is just finishing the Garou 2 they canned at 60% complete without explanation
@@krodmandoon3479 They canned it because SNK went bankrupt at that time.
There was an interview with Oda where he talked about the new Garou and he said that:
- it will be a continuation of MotWs story however, the game will not be called Mark of the Wolves 2
- There will be more returning characters from previous Fatal Fury games, which makes it more of a FF title rather than Garou 2
- The game will have a bigger budget and more single player content than any previous SNK fighting game
- it will use a different art style than SamSho or Kof15
@@SlowLearner-z3h Ok but couldn't they have just went back to work on it once they were bought? It's not like they ever ceased to exist as a company for an extended period of time.
@@krodmandoon3479months old but the source code was lost. They couldn't go back to that build even if they wanted to. Even then, I'd rather see something new than them regressing back to an old rom running on early 90s hardware. They said it'd have a different visual style than any of their new games, so maybe they're going for something more unique looking & not late 90s style sprites/ 8th gen cel-shaded 3d.
However, if you want an authentic early 2000s MoTW-like on the NeoGeo, play Rage of the Dragons. It looks pretty similar.
I was lucky enough to live in Japan from ‘08-‘11. Did arcades, food, and even TGS a couple of times. Had so much fun.
I really want to go back now that I have a kid and let her see it
Living in Japan in that period seriously sounds like the most awesome thing ever.
@@DiSCERiTY It was. As I said, I was just very fortunate to have that opportunity due to my job. My wife and I miss it all the time. For her, she loved the shopping and their entertainment districts. One day, we will visit again.
If you ever get a chance to go, do it.
30:00 nah rock isn't ass, he still has really easy confirms and has tools for every situation. He just doesn't have those all of those tools cranked up to 11 anymore
I've been playing SC 6 this week, and haven't the issues you guys mentioned much at all. Not perfect by any means, but been having some fun fights!
Matt’s nu metal eyebrows and eyebrow ring in 2023 is my favorite thing ever. Matt is the best ❤
Sylvie is actually pretty popular in Asia.
All the kof xiv newcomers are really
Max actually used the word "comeuppance" wrong twice, so I don't think it was just a mistake. Unless he thinks those games deserve to get punished for their past actions.
One thing interesting I find about multiversus compared to Nicktoons is that the super heroes already exist in another fighting game. Sure, this time it's superman versus shaggy, but Superman Batman and wonder woman were all in injustice. Between both games, I really wanted to play as Zim and Tom and Jerry. Because one was free and easy to play with friends, I was able to play Tom and Jerry. And to what surprise, I still haven't played Zim.
I heard War of the Monsters twice, this episode is officially a success
Lolol I would LOVE to play Jack Nicholson in a fighting game. “Coome on over BUDDY. I gaaaht somethin for yeh” *throws head back in laughter while holding a whiskey*
2023 will be a great year for fighters! 😻
It costs money to travel the world in soul calibur 6!
26:31 yeah let’s just forget about team $15 and Team Garou
29:40 he’s still stupid good, if anything Gato got hit harder
I still hope that street fighter 6 will have a mode where you can fight other people with the character you build if they do that on top of what they already done I don't think that another game will be able to come close to them . I think they already have the best fighting game so far that we have seen in forever.
I feel like the slow down of Multiversus updates has been due to the Warner Bros/Discovery merger to some degree. I'm sure the devs would have loved to add lots more characters from the shows that were inconveniently purged from HBO Max.
Guilty Gear Strive and their character's themes are pretty badass and fun to watch. My favourite track is Trigger, Colour, and Society and Milia Rage's theme and it's inspired me to listen to the full version of the Guilty Gear Strive Soundtrack and past series soundtrack on YT and Sporifty last year to current. And I am looking forward to the future character in the game. : )
they still hiding kims pants, that tech must be revolutionary... or he's got shorts now
I noticed we haven't seen animation of him yet.
SNK must know the meme....
I'm a casual & I bought KOF15 as my first KOF in hopes to play a team of Dolores, Darli Dagger, & Sylvie Paula Paula!
I couldnt figure out Dolores so I started using Yuri, Athena, & Shermie. I then played every story arc & beat Rugal. Now I play the computer & use Darli, Chris, B. Jennet! I only play the computer because my first SNK was the new Samurai Shodown. So I've never played anyone online because everyone makes it sound like it's not worth it.
@@o_oro-q1k facts you are so right. Theres a whole bunch of people that throw their views around but dont actually play the game
Sounds like you're enjoying the game ignore the noise from everyone else dont let people influence what you like
I went to Japan from Toronto, it was 13 hour direct flight, and that flight was easy. Played the switch half the time, went on wifi the other half lol.
I liked multiverse because it was free, had interesting characters, noticable/unique specials/gameplay, it allowed me to play w/ my friend instead of against him, and it gave me a reason to continue playing by offering battle pass cosmetics even when losing. But if I had to narrow down these options it would be good gameplay and gave me a reason to keep playing because I wanted to unlock something new cosmetically. Imagine how long someone would grind to have Tekken levels of customization.
Multiversus definitely caugh a lot of attention because of the IPs.
A fan of one or several properties represented in the game would hear about it.
A game of thrones fan will hear "there's this game with GoT character and Batman" and then check it out.
And since that includes some of the most well known IPs in the world, this means that even if only a tiny fraction of these fans actually plays it after hearing about it, that's still a lot of people.
Don't get me wrong, it wouldn't have worked as well if it wasn't free to play, in fact exactly because someone who just want to try a game out of curiosity after hearing "There's Shaggy and Aria in a game" wouldn't *buy* a game just for that reason. But on the flipside it wouldn't have worked so well if it didn't have all theses IP even with the exact same game because most of the people who played it would have never heard of it.
Both factors impacted it.
What worked for this game wouldn't work for everything.
Just to make sure it's there:
22:30 Matt McMuscles eats his hat because of Sylvie
God KOFXIII on modern console with rollback would be awesome
I'm listening on my Xbox and just realized I actually had KOF XIII installed and didn't even know . First time playing it, this shit is damn near perfect
Damn near perfect gameplay and some of the best 2D sprites ever! I understand why they went 3D with the new titles but I wish games still looked/felt like KOF13. Arcsys does such a great job of giving us that hand-drawn 2D feel in HD using 3D models.
Kof XIII is amazing, the end of an era for 2d fighters.
Looks like if people don't buy games, they stop supporting it and releasing new ones. But if people buy too many of them, they stop caring about fixing them because people will still buy them anyways, even if they have issues, so it doesn't matter if they are unbalaced, glitchy or have really bad online. They will just make paid dlc characters, that makes money, unlike giving free rollback/crossplay&crossgen. This conversation reminded me of pokemon company don't giving a fuсk about quality
King Of Fighters XV is the best Fighting Game of 2022 :D
Facts theres now two ways about. It's the only fighting game from 2022 that's still growing strong has and good competitive community and even with its match making faults people are still playing the game.
ah nothing starts the early rise of a work day better than coffee and chill to some fighting game culture
The 3 goats in one pod.
Verryy nice
I know they already had like a whole episode on it essentially, but I would have loved to see more talk on Rumbleverse. I’ve had a lot of fun with that game and I come back and play a bunch of matches all the time. I get if they don’t fully consider it a fighting game but rather just a battle royale/wrestling game.
RIP Rumbleverse
And call it the MuscleWongDood collection 😂😂😂
It is a shame that multiverus lost a ton of its audience!
Matt hating on my favorite character Sylvie gave me the big sadge 3:
All joking aside I love y'all's energy together
I hope gigabash releases on Xbox one day
Amm you guys do realize that DNF Duel actually has an rpg level up mode? It's weird how Max says hr played the hell of DNF and he doesn't know it
That's not the type of mode that was being referring to at all. We've said this in past episodes.
To be honest max says a lot of things that's incorrect
Greetings from Germany
respect to Justin Wong for talking about the matchmaking for KOF. Max and Matt didn't address that when they talked. If the matchmaking is a fail, the game is a fail. KOF IS NOT amongst the best fighting games of the year at all. Do not put it in that category.
Mk 11 literally just has Arnold and Stallone
Damn, I know Max gets very excited to talk about fighting games and he's got a lot of information about them but he's gotta let the other two talk. He cut them off and talked over them the entire episode
Yea it got to the point that I was paying more attention to that than the podcast. And made me feel 2nd hand awkward.
That was something that happened more in the earlier episodes of TKO with both Max and Matt, but improved gradually over time. I guess Max got a little too excited this episode. He's a pro, so he'll likely be more conscientious about it next time.
Would pay money to see matt eat his hat off his foot for that last announcement.
Does Justin speak Japanese or does he communicate with his moves?
He can speak parry from Daigo 😂
Dang, that comment about an MvC Collection at 1:07:40 has aged poorly. Just in a good way.
Justin Wong FLOSSING!!!!
“Multiversus is proof that free to play works”
Is it, Max? IS IT?
I think he meant specifically that free to play gets people in the door (which it did, the launch was huge, people wanted to check it out) and that with the right combination of micro transactions you can make boatloads of money in the first week/month (which they did, supposedly) without totally scaring away players who just want to play for free.
It’s obviously fallen off a bit now but launch week numbers are everything in the game industry 🤷♀️
Yes, despite losing 99% of its player base it still has more players then the majority of premium fighting games on steam so I don’t really get how people can argue it doesn’t work. Unless you somehow think “works” means it is guaranteed success no matter what the game is or does.
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Im so mad I just found out J. Wong & Max had a podcast about fighting games.....wtf??
I’m honestly waiting for the day that 3D fighters as a whole rediscover themselves when it comes to the visuals the way we’re seeing in cinematic animation moving away from the realistic stuff Pixar established and refined in the 2000’s to these really exciting and colourful stylizations in stuff like Spiderverse, The Mitchells vs. the Machines, Bad guys, Puss in Boots Last wish. We’ve got these happy middle ground of what people loved from older 2D animation and the wonders of 3D.
Idk man, maybe it’s just me but it feels like we’re still spinning the tires on that front even with SF6 looking as expensive and high fidelity as it does and lord knows the money and effort put into NRS games or Tekken 8 and so on.
@@DCFHazardRebornChannel GG didn't bring in its unique anime style as a new IP though, Xrd was the 4th installation in the series.
@@DCFHazardRebornChannel Well that's good and all, but the fact of the matter is that GG's current look is not a good example for "a new IP coming up with a new style" and you probably want to use a different game instead. It doesn't matter how niche old GG was, old GG existed.
Also, you can't say their 3D look was "unique" and then turn around and say that 2D GG had "practically exactly the same style", those are mutually exclusive. It would probably be more accurate to say that their current look is an evolution of their older style, which is indeed a completely different thing than an anime title going full tilt realism or the other way around.
Tekken 3 is probably locked up in rights with Gon, who's a manga character.
There are no flights over the North Pole
Hahaha Godzilla love hotel
Mk10 > Mk11
I see nothing wrong here
100% with you on that one. 11 feels so clunky.
I find it hilarious how they talk about how there are no (non-emulated) AAA 3D fighting games with good online when For Honor has existed since 2017.
Yes I know it's not a traditional "fighting game" but still, point stands.
To me, KOF 16 or GAROU 2 need to go full on Anime, with a persona-ish look
To be Fair Matt, Sylvie looks way better!!! She now looks like a Vtuber!!! I'm willing to give her a second chance.
Not even a mention of Sifu, shame on you (?
He do be eating hat out here
Max was a lot more chatty this episode. Is nice to see
Got the Nickelodeon game and played for a total of 1 hour. It played OK, but there was just so little content as to not be worth it. Was excited for Multiversus because Bugs Bunny, but the second they said F2P I noped out.
Snk just give me chin already😭
I want jackie chan!
love this podcast but if mega knockdown and Shaolin Vs. WuTang 2's impressive 2022 Early Access progress go unmentioned I'm unsubscribing. jk lol
Sylvie is peak
sam sho has a slightly better presentation but for modern characters it just looks so boring
MultiVersus was a complete cash grab bust.
Define, "bust."
In every metric but finance and some great animations, the game blows fat chunks.
Idk about “bust” but man it felt like 1 week everyone was talking about it nonstop but then at some point soon after, NOBODY was talking about it. I’m sure it’ll be like a lot of other live service stuff that just quietly chugs along in the background with a dedicated fan base but idk, something about the drop off in talk for it got me furrowing my brow.
I guess it’s unrealistic for every similar crossover game to have alot of talk around it constantly the way Fortnite and Smash Bros does.
Damn shame too.
After playing rivals of aether and knowing what a good platform fighter actually felt like...
No way I'm even glancing at multiversus again
No talk about Guilty Gear Strive?
It didn't come out in 2022. Pretty clear that was the focus of this episode. We didn't talk about Tekken 7 or Street Fighter V either.
Fail
They destroyed vanessa and i lost interest in kof 15 immediately
Snk does the worst kind of nerfing imo. They hit the top tiers with huge nerfs to the point no one wants to play them
She's perfectly fine in the latest patch. Just not broken.
@@KramerBebop vanessa is the equivalent of what iori , ryo and luong is now. Wht they get a pass but vanessa gt her arms chopped off?
IF THIS COMMENT GETS 100 LIKES JUSTIN WONG HAS TO MARRY ME
HE'S MY BOYFRIEND
@@BrandonPoyser6969 NO
@@CrazyDrgonRider YES. HE. IS.
We are not going back to KOF XIII graphic not because it's 2D, but because new consoles are just not as powerful as xbox 360 and PS3.
lol