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Another Dimension - Behringer CC-300 Space Chorus vs TC Electronic 3rd Dimension vs DC-2w
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ส.ค. 2024
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If you're looking for an alternative to the DC-2w and wondering how the Behringer and TC Electronic pedals stack up, there's some stuff you should know. Like, a lot of the stuff I'm gonna cover in this video.
Chapters:
0:00 - Demo Jam
1:22 - Breakdown
2:34 - DC-2w
3:34 - Behringer CC-300
4:19 - 3rd Dimension
4:32 - What's a Clone?
5:38 - Noise
6:07 - 3rd Dimension Cloneage
7:17 - Buttons
10:12 - What Them Buttons Do?
12:20 - Wrapup
seems like all the tc electronic examples are right ear only. listen with headphones
Yeah there's a problm with the TC samples. Really loud, low hum too.
I recorded it all in Sterero, and definitely went through and fixed the TC’s mono tracks, but looking at the project now, it looks like they un-fixed themselves. My apologies.
@@StompboxBreakdownno worries mate. Glad i could help, keep up the great work.
But it's mono
@@GrzegorzWronkowski
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Dude, I've been watching many of your older videos (and this one). Just wanted to say, I don't mind that you talk and take time to explain what's really going on with these pedals and some of their counterparts and the history behind it. If I just want a pedal demo without any commentary, there are 100 channels that have been doing that since 2006. Don't apologize for adding something interesting, and if people complain, they can go watch GearManDude.
DC-2W has to be a top 5 best looking boss pedal.
I have to put the dd20 in there too - I'd tap that
Very edifying and gratifying video. Especially the demystification of the button pressing. Of course the audio shows what I think is quite obvious - that the differences between combinations are EXTREMELY subtle - but the schematic bit is the explanation many don't know that they need.
I am a Chorus junkie (having played in a Rush cover band) and loving Alex Lifeson. I own the Boss DC2W (fantastic pedal) however: my FTT Tri Avatar Multi-Chorus in The Best I have ever heard = phenomenal pedal . . . crazy-good.
OMG, been waiting for one of these comparisons 😍
Thank you!!
We’re really happy with our 3ed dimension. But we love chorus so much we need more 😅 thanks for the video 💜 breaking down how they work was very helpful
wow, I was thinking to ask if you noticed any noise with the pedals and then...you provide a full test with the analyzer...great stuff, thanks.
I found the Easter egg setting setting for my tc electronic dimension.I bought a second one and fiddled with all the preset combos🤪Seriously it got messy but in a nice shoe gazing way😂.I love the tc teamed up with my Strymon cloudburst and tc thunderstorm and whatever delay is my flavour of the month.Great review
Great demo! Very informative and you got very rich tones. Many videos get the amp to sound good, then turn on the modulation and lose all their low mids. You kept it 100 percent!
Thank you so much! It's really tricky for me to find setting that illustrate what's happening with the effect while also sounding somewhat "real life". If I were to put it into production, on stage, it'd be a lot more subtle, but I think then people would complain that they couldn't hear the effect clearly. Then, just with a TH-cam video, there's issues of making sure it sounds as best as possible on phones, computers, TVs, and any other device... which unfortunately sometimes means aiming for the middle.
Thanks homie this video totally needed to happen! I've been an EE in this business for as long as I can remember and the DC-2W is what I use in the studio. Did use a rehoused version of the CC300 during the time before Waza when the originals were hard to find. The voltage regulator mod does indeed work and makes the chorus sound closer to the original so it's definitely worth doing. Looking forward to getting the TC so I can tear it open when I get the time. My girlfriend and I love your videos! Keep em coming.
Another great review 💪💪 tracing the schematics is awesome and your knowledge of electronics helps add some really cool extra context as well
I picked up the Behringer used for $80aud because I couldn't afford the boss and it ended up developing a constant background crackle that I can't pin down. Luckily a deal on a DC2W found it's way to me and has led to me setting up a really fun little stereo bedroom rig.
Although it sounds nice in mono, I think the dimension thing really hits different in stereo.
This video has also provided me with a use for the broken DD7 I have lying around. You're a genius!
I used a Dimension C through the '90s that I got used, when nobody wanted them - for $35. I had it on position 1 all the time for a slow Leslie sound and never bothered with the other buttons after trying them once. It seemed to get more intense with the amount of overdrive you used. Then my gear got stolen out of my car in '04. When I went to find another one and saw the prices, I got a Boss RT-20 instead and basically forgot about it. But it sure would be nice to have a single space pedal for that sometimes. Great video!
This is the first chorus/dimension video I’ve seen that leaves me with a feeling of understanding. Thanks for going into such depth tracing the schematics and clearly explaining what you found. Fascinating stuff! And, I think the magical, secret 17th position on the 3rd Dimension exists in the same world as Platform 9 3/4. Btw, congrats on the new bari Tele. She’s a beaut!
Thanks! I'm still learning exactly what to do with the Baritone other than just double the normal guitar. I think it'll be a useful songwriting tool, and its ability to drone on those thicker strings is a lot of fun.
@@StompboxBreakdown I've never played a baritone, so I can't offer any sage advice. But, I'm sure you'll figure out how to incorporate it into your creative flow! I like acquiring "different" gear to see how it inspires. I see you went with the bass beanie to "accompany" the Tele. Nice.
@@StompboxBreakdown A few things you can do when you have a baritone and a standard guitar: use the baritone as your rhythm guitar tone, and do straight strums while you noodle with the standard. Or counterpoint with the standard, like a call and response. Or string the standard with a Nashville tuning, and have even more full range of tones. Or play the baritone a minor 3rd below the standard to get chords you normally can't get otherwise.
now this is a great channel which stands out compared to these usual paid gear demos, subscribed!
ANOTHER DIMENSION - ANOTHER DIMENSION - ANOTHER DIMENSION - ANOTHER DIMENSION !
Somebody had to say it.
Awesome comparison of a legendary and much beloved pedal on joy board! ✌️😌🎸
I was gonna lean into the Beastie Boys reference harder but I was informed that nobody knows what they’re saying. :(
@@StompboxBreakdown I heard someone say they thought he was saying Leonardo DaVinci. So perhaps there is some truth to that.
As always... great video! ✌️
Thank you!
Cool video
Thanks for showing the guts
I share your love of chorus/dimension effects and enjoy the background details you dig up. One option in the world that keeps coming up is the Keeley 30-ms double tracker which has a Dimension mode. This thing is like a Swiss army knife, it has reverb and slap back modes, plus internal switching giving more options? I assume chorusing was discovered through experimentation of double tracking with tape machines back in the 60s. Strymon's Deco double tracker is another expensive option that can dial the chorus effect. I am wondering if the dimension on the Keeley rivals the Boss DC-2W more so than the cheap options presented in this video, plus it has knobs to tweak. I think a video on double tracking would make a good documentary.
Good idea! There’s a couple other pedals I want to throw into the mix for that topic, I’ll keep that in mind.
I just found my style for the coming summer. Gonna show my beloved Blues Driver to everyone. 😎
You'll be the coolest!
Near in-depth take, thanks.
A few years ago I was looking into cheaper dimension chorus options. The Roland/Boss Dimension design is different from standard chorus designs, with two delay lines, one being out of phase with the other. I don’t remember the ones I looked at at the time, but I remember that the “clones” just used standard chorus design, but tweaked it with slower modulation rates to sound more subtle. It’s kind of how there are some cheap “analog” delay clones out there that are actually digital models, even though they say “analog” right on them. The lesson is that you have to do detailed research if you want accurate clones of certain genuine pieces of gear. The amazing deals on cheap “clones” out there are sometimes a total scam.
Another nice one Jeff. I avoided the TC Electronic one because it's mono only. I have the Behringer but since it's discontinued you have to pay a very non-Behringer price for it. Can't believe I payed $80 for a used Behringer! Maybe Boss will be next.
To be honest, I started the video not really knowing what the TC Electronic was doing. I just used it for the opening jam and enjoyed it, assuming it was the CC-300 summed to mono or something. And I've *been* using it for a few years assuming as such, before I got my DC-2w. Still think it sounds great, whatever it's doing. I got my CC-300 for $40 a little while ago, $80 would make me feel uneasy, and once it gets above $100, I think that's where you just skip lunch a few days and buy the Boss.
What's really wild is that the DC-2w launching kinda popped the bubble on DC-2 prices, and seemed to bring the DC-3 prices down as well, but now they're climbing right back up, and there seem to be no deals on Wazas to be found.
I have the TCE 3rd Dimension. It sounds great for the price. And I can use multiple buttons unlike the Boss DC-2. The audience doesn’t care if it’s not in stereo.
Behringer has a history of cloning many out-of-production pedals from Boss, Line 6, and others. So the resemblance between the CC300 and DC-2 is unsurprising. I had seen "open-box" gutshots of the 3rd Dimension, but was never sure if the visibility of a single BBD was a reduced circuit, or a reflection of something I couldn't see underneath (surface mount tends to do that), so thanks for clearing that up for me.
The DC-2 remains one of THE best chorus pedals out there. Why? Two reasons. First, because it countersweeps two delays, making one a little sharp whenever the other is a little flat, one doesn't get the more audible and perceptible "pitch wobble" of traditional single-modulated-delay chorus pedals. The second reason is that, by using *two* modulated delays, it becomes more like a true vocal "chorus" by now having two additional voices, as opposed to one and a backup singer.
I bought a CC300 several years ago ($20CDN, new), and love it. As noted, the CC300 permits using *none* of the buttons, and this is actually my favorite setting on it. I find it sounds like a slow Leslie when engaged with none of the buttons pressed.
Interested parties should check out Scott Stites' "Birth of a Synth" website, where he transforms the Dim C into an amazing through-zero flanger (including plenty of sound samples as well as circuit diagrams).
That all buttons up sounds like a mixture of Live’s intro to ‘Lightning Crashes’ and Alice In Chains ‘Rooster’ mixed together. Very interesting!
Nicely done!
Boss pedal as a phone holder…done that a few times lol.
This is a great video. I have the Behringer for 25 Euro, but its reliability is bad, mine ha some part of the circuit broken, i have to fix that.
Loved the depth of the review but didn't like hearing the TC in just one ear, a mono signal can be heard by two ears, too.
Addressed in the pinned comment
@@StompboxBreakdown Got it, thanks
Does Behringer still make the CC300? I thought it became one of those really cool pedals they stopped making a long time ago, like the Echo Machine. As for the 3rd Dimension, I wish TC would come out with a v2 with stereo like they did with the Juno-60 pedal. Although I still remember people saying "LOL, just buy 2 3rd Dimensions for your board, make your own stereo, and it will still be cheaper than a DC-2W." While true, there's just something magical about having a DC-2W. BTW, the Boss is what we have in our guitar rig. Wouldn't have it any other way.
There's nothing magical about pedals. Even less from Boss
@@jumpingman8160 Boutique snob detected. Enjoy your $300+ pedals that only sound good outside the context of a band. There's a reason most pros use Boss pedals. Perhaps one day you will learn.
@@illegal_space_alien quite on the contrary. I have many cheap pedals ftom Joyo and Mooer. My fave pedal is my trusty zoom ms70cdr. I just don't see anything magical about electronics, and loath Boss above all other brandd.
The status lights tip it towards the Boss
The buttons select resistors, which control oscillators, but what do the oscillators control? The delay time/depth? All of the buttons only affect a single parameter, right? I've never been able to get my head around what Dimension actually does, or why buttons would be preferable to a knob.
I didn’t spend a bunch of time on it because I did Dimension effect videos before, but it’s basically two bucket brigade delay lines with their oscillations out of phase. There’s some mixing and filtering of their outputs after the delays as well, but the goal is to counteract the movement by moving the other half of the effect the other way. As for the buttons, I think it was either for consistency or because they wanted to make sure people didn’t get into some bad combinations with knobs.
Now that’s a gangsta necklace!
Thank you so much for this comparison! Not sure the DC2 sounds $200 CAD better than the TC...lol
Boss CE-20 is the best CHORUS PEDAL from Boss (also its very noise on the demos that ive heard). Anyway, I think the best OPTION of classic chorus on Boss is the MD-500. However, I love the Boss PS-3 mode 4, it has the best chorus in the world
Please leave your options:
Was considering a DC-2w... but once you held up the Boss CE-20 Dimensional Processor I just have to think about which one would suit my needs best.
CE-20 was what I got when all of the other Dimension effects were way out of my price range. It still strikes me as a very useful pedal, and I'm a huge fan of the way Boss handled the preset switching on the *-20 pedals (presumably the more modern ones as well, I haven't tried many of them out)
@@StompboxBreakdown
Thanks for the response. Still don't know which 1 I'll end up getting. Decisions... decisions! Thanks for a great and very thorough video.:0)
Hey man..Do you have the Fender STC1 Chorus..Please video it if you do!!
I do not, but I’ll keep an eye out
Is dimension and chorus the same thing?
Looking at that "pedal chain" for wearing Boss pedals- any plans on doing the Line6 ToneCore series or is it just a potential spinal injury too far?
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I've seen a few ToneCore pedals available, but nothing there has ever really excited me. Is there a pedal in particular I should be paying attention to?
@@StompboxBreakdown To be fair, they’re not exciting pedals in and of themselves, but at the time of release the Echo Park and Verbzilla were a lot of pedal for the money and still sound great and are super user friendly, compared to even something like the EHX Canyon. If only it didn’t weigh literally a million pounds.
I have and love the Crunchtone but it was my first drive pedal that wasn’t a Zoom505 so I’m biased. The rotary sim is also very accurate and they did a tremolo that was just lovely.
I always thought the concept- “what if we had a generic DSP for all of our pedals and just changed a module with the program code and knobs/ switches on it”- was ahead of its time, but the really interesting bits for me were the Development Kit that they sold, and that Red Panda used for their early line of pedals. Basically anyone could buy blank modules from Line6, program them with the Development Kit, and sell them to existing ToneCore dock owners.
They might be more interesting to discuss in the context of the Line6 Modeller series, DL4/ MM4 etc, which they shared most of their code with, and some of the same ethos- the whole line were the same exact board with different code, different labels on the knobs and the colour of the shell. You can swap the EPROM chip from a DL4 into an MM4 if you’re tasty with a soldering iron and it’ll act as a DL4.
Behringer knocked off most of the good ToneCore pedals for their “Machine” series. And sound almost the same. But didn’t weigh literally a million pounds.
That’s the one I’ve been thinking about. I want to do a deep dive into the FM-4 first, though. That thing needs an entire miniseries.
@@StompboxBreakdown As someone who owns all the Line6-made ToneCores and dev kits, I can definitely say a video on the FM-4 sounds faaaaaar more interesting
The DC2 is by far the nicest, it's stereo of course, but the others just don't have that shimmer... Thanks for the vid! I'll take the DC2 i think, worth the extra money!
Planning on using one with a Radial EXTC Stereo instead of a Dimension D as i thin k it actually sounds nicer than the Dim D.
How does this circuit compare to the Keeley 30MS?
The 30ms is a double-tracker pedal, not a dimension pedal. However, combining a 30ms and a DC-2W in a chain would probably give a nice full sound, and would be fun to try.
I recently saw Loathe live and thought he had the SICKEST chorus sound on his cleans, and low-and-behold it was the cheap-ass TC 3rd Dimension on his board!
A Dimension pedal that doesn't have stereo? Odd, BUT, that TC does sound tasty...
I know, right? I never play stereo, so it doesn't really bother me, except that there *is* some interplay between the outputs of the DC-2 that I think contributes to the overall sound of the Boss pedal. Still, for the price, it's hard to pass up whatever the TC's doing.
@@StompboxBreakdown Agreed, $50 is surprisingly low. I play exclusively in stereo (apartment/headphones warrior) so I'm always really hung up on stereo. Could get 2 for that price...
My 2 bitcents: the TC Electronic & Behringer sound sterile. The Boss has a little bit more sweetness on the top end that makes the sound more interesting. It's hard to define, probably also difficult to measure. But there's something about the BOSS DC-2w. However, this something most likely gets lost in a band context or when you layer more instruments into a mix.
That Dimension sound from the CE-20 is more shimmery and pristine, though. Definitely digital, but who cares?
Guitar level is a lil hot
I have the TC but find it quite a boring chorus to be honest
i ve been trying. got a nice boutique ce2 chorus with those chips you want…. i just hate chorus. since i sold my chorus ensemble(the stereo analog one) cause i couldnt hear it anymore. cant stand it. makes garbage playing bearabler, takes the life out of every nice solo. yuck. nice vid though.
4:55 lmfao!!!