this video is a MUST WATCH for the intermediate collector. not a completely newbie but someone slowly beginning to understand what makes their heart truly beat.
Love this channel. Tim is the real deal. Unsullied by all of the nonsense ‘watch guys’ out there. His technical knowledge is matched only by his emotive descriptions of the pieces and the industry.
Tim is not only a national treasure but a true 8th wonder of the world, the way he talks with clarity and expertise and manages the live chat with quick wit at the same time. Genius.
I'm just happy to have an audience! Every episode can't be titled "I$ THIS THE END OF ROLEX?!?!" Well, maybe on some channels, but not this one. Each week, I need to think of *reasonably* original topics or at least way to explore them from a perspective that hasn't been done before. From time to time, I update this "buyer's guide" concept with new lessons I've learned along the way. Best, Tim
I try to keep it real. If I were in the market for my next watch, I'd be thinking along the lines of the strategies laid out in this episode. I need to remember to take my own advice from time to time. Best, Tim
They'll be worth the wait. We have an interview this week with a collector who is also launching his own complicated watch. It should be ready to view in about two weeks. Best, Tim
Tim is absolutely correct about not buying the cheapest price, unless it comes from a reputable online dealer. I almost bought an Omega from a well known dealer online in the US recently. Luckily I researched the dealer and discovered negative reviews that alarmed me. Then I read that they do not include the original warranty card from Omega. All warranty work had to go through the dealer. So it always to buy the seller first, then pay the lowest price -- not vice versa.
I could relate to the chase of watches comment, in 2 years I ended up getting a Sub 126613LN then sold it got a 226570 Polar, and a 126334 Datejust 41 Jubilee Azzuro. Went to an AD and talked about trading those watches for a Sky Dweller Steel but I realized it was a silly watch for me and the chase was more fun. Glad I kept those two watches and am enjoying making memories and not flip and like Tim said lose money. I’m also always looking at videos of watches but have no desire on buying them.
Tim, yes, this one was epic. Lots of great information as always…I think WatchBox should replay this episode whenever you are on vacation as a public service announcement and as a refresher!!!
Tim, what a great topic and if was super fun to hear your wisdom that has come from your line of work and personal experience. I can’t wait until the next episode. Off topic-are the holland bikes built mostly out of titanium and is that generally considered better than carbon? Contemplating this down the road.
Bill Holland has built with steel, titanium, carbon, and a couple of models that combined carbon and titanium. As of 2023, he builds full-titanium and full-carbon frames. Both are full-custom and come with a fairly sophisticated fit by Cody Stevenson, a former road pro who is now a partner in the business. I'm thinking about a new bike for the first time in over a decade, so I'd like to own something that's really fresh and different from the Holland ti/carbon Exogrid I have now. Carbon is probably the route I'll go. Best, Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews Tim, well said! Thank you for kindly taking time to answer my question. Have a wonderful evening! You always will take time to help us all with our silly questions -you are so awesome!
While the Bel Canto is very attractive visually, the chime is more muted than expected, and the winding action felt gritty and a bit mushy as well. Hard to describe, but definitely not a pleasant experience.
I'm also exactly waiting to see how/if the fifty fathoms changes. Current one fits me so well but I have a nagging feeling once I get one I will see a new upgraded release
Dear, thanks for sharing, I fully agree that looking for a watch and getting intimacy with this grail is key to build à collection however my experience leads me to conclure that you will not sell any because of the sentimental aspects 😉
I almost bought the Breitling Premier B09 Chronograph 40 AB0930D31L1P1 pistachio dial at 8:45. But the 2-4-8-10 being cut off on the dial is a huge negative for me. It ruins the aesthetic of the dial. Otherwise it is a stunningly gorgeous watch.
Great advice on importance of getting the original papers - and ideally with boxes with bits and bobs. How could muggers get the original documents? Naked watches may well have dodgy histories. Buying naked watches encourages theft IMO.
That's true and important. Just like watches price suspiciously below market or sold without serials, naked watches may have become that way through theft. Best, Tim
Rolex dealers on service "Who are you? Sorry don't have any watches to try, sorry this is display only, sorry can't put your on wait list. Can I get back to browse the internet on my phone now?"
Yes, the JLC Master Ultra Thin Moon can be found used for less than $10K used: stainless steel with black and silver dial options The blue dial model might be possible at $10K on the nose with some preowned negotiating. Best, Tim
Thanx Tim and Shawn... Good narrative ✅️✅️✅️. Love the example of Ansel Adam's, love his work and history. Great watch, parody... Collectors Conversation? All utilitarian, I will just watch and enjoy. Have a good week. 🥃🥃🥃
If the money's all the same, which one do you want most? Obviously, the Tudors are better priced, but like I said in the episode, you'll wind up with both watches if you really want the Sub and buy the Tudor instead. Best, Tim
As someone who has owned both, the sub is by far a better watch. The pelagos blue is a very different and unappealing shade of blue. The fxd’s blue is much better. Also, the glide lock is head and shoulders above the pelagos “spring loaded” clasp. The pelagos is a much clumsier case shape, overly thick and text cluttered dial. I hope my opinions and experiences help
My rule is that any Patek post 2000, must have box/papers. Patek buyers have always been particular. With other watches pre-2010 box /papers not needed. AP/rolex collectors before that time generally did not keep these things, unless they were anal.
The Zenith Daytona has an additional cringe factor if people ask you: "Wow, you've got a Daytona/Rolex," and you gotta say: "No, it's a Zenith." Now the average guy looks at you like you wear a 100-dollar Chinese Pagani, and now you start embarrassed mumbling how Zenith once made Daytona movements for Rolex and maybe end up admitting that you paid 10.000 dollars for an homage... Of course, you sell that thing.
if you're sitting in a controlled environment, the studio, you don't need a wireless lavalier. You need a shotgun mic. plus, it will sound noticeably better.
sorry but papers are overrated. if you never sell then what does it matter. even if you sell in 20+ years you'll still most likely have a capital gain if you're buying blue chip watches.
@@the1916companywatchreviews Tim, like most assets, as we all know the money is made on the buy, not the sell. If you can buy smart then it matters less when you go to exit.
CELL PHONES, CHURCHES HAVE THE TIME IF YOU CANT AFFORD A WATCH ASK YOUR NEXT PERSON WITH WATCH FOR THE TIME.. ONLY STUPID PEOPLE BUY EXPENSIVE WATCHES AND CLOTHES.SALVATION AND GOODWILL HAVE THEM CHEAP.
this video is a MUST WATCH for the intermediate collector. not a completely newbie but someone slowly beginning to understand what makes their heart truly beat.
Thank you! I always try to add something that has lasting value in case a person finds this video years down the line.
Best,
Tim
Love this channel. Tim is the real deal. Unsullied by all of the nonsense ‘watch guys’ out there. His technical knowledge is matched only by his emotive descriptions of the pieces and the industry.
Tim is not only a national treasure but a true 8th wonder of the world, the way he talks with clarity and expertise and manages the live chat with quick wit at the same time. Genius.
I'm just happy to have an audience! Every episode can't be titled "I$ THIS THE END OF ROLEX?!?!" Well, maybe on some channels, but not this one. Each week, I need to think of *reasonably* original topics or at least way to explore them from a perspective that hasn't been done before. From time to time, I update this "buyer's guide" concept with new lessons I've learned along the way.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews Hi Tim, we are so happy and lucky to have you! Thanks for all the reviews and shows. Fun, entertaining and educational.
Tim is a treasure of the watch community. Have left similar comments in the past, will continue to leave similar comments in the future.
Great work, Tim. These videos are the finest I’ve ever seen on this platform. Your straightforward, unbiased advice is excellent.
I try to keep it real. If I were in the market for my next watch, I'd be thinking along the lines of the strategies laid out in this episode. I need to remember to take my own advice from time to time.
Best,
Tim
Wealth of knowledge as always, another great show. Bravo to Tim and crew..
I'm looking forward to these upcoming Collector Conversations episodes. Thank you guys for all of the work you put into this, it is truly appreciated.
They'll be worth the wait. We have an interview this week with a collector who is also launching his own complicated watch. It should be ready to view in about two weeks.
Best,
Tim
I tried barking at a nautilus behind the glass. The watch didn't move an inch and i was asked to leave the premises.....
Terrific video, Tim! I got a lot of GREAT information there!
Thanks! I always try to add value to the community and avoid repeating themes too often.
Best,
Tim
Great show Tim!! Just loved the collectors advising theme. Really key for new comers to the watch collection world. Cheers, Amintas
Thanks, Amintas! Are you going to be in Dubai or WatchTime NY this year?
Best,
Tim
Very fun episode, thank you!
Tim is absolutely correct about not buying the cheapest price, unless it comes from a reputable online dealer. I almost bought an Omega from a well known dealer online in the US recently. Luckily I researched the dealer and discovered negative reviews that alarmed me. Then I read that they do not include the original warranty card from Omega. All warranty work had to go through the dealer. So it always to buy the seller first, then pay the lowest price -- not vice versa.
Jomashop I’m guessing?
@@marktrett1652 Yes sir! Did you have a similar experience with Jomashop too?
Thanks for the episode. I really needed to hear those words of advice regarding not financing a watch purchase. I've been coming so close to doing it.
Thanks for watching!
Best,
Tim
GREAT episode...must watch
I could relate to the chase of watches comment, in 2 years I ended up getting a Sub 126613LN then sold it got a 226570 Polar, and a 126334 Datejust 41 Jubilee Azzuro. Went to an AD and talked about trading those watches for a Sky Dweller Steel but I realized it was a silly watch for me and the chase was more fun. Glad I kept those two watches and am enjoying making memories and not flip and like Tim said lose money. I’m also always looking at videos of watches but have no desire on buying them.
This episode has so many good pieces of advice. A must see.
Tim, yes, this one was epic. Lots of great information as always…I think WatchBox should replay this episode whenever you are on vacation as a public service announcement and as a refresher!!!
Fantastic Advice. Tim appreciate the hell out of you, Watchbox, and Govberg. Josh Thanos too!
Tim, what a great topic and if was super fun to hear your wisdom that has come from your line of work and personal experience. I can’t wait until the next episode. Off topic-are the holland bikes built mostly out of titanium and is that generally considered better than carbon? Contemplating this down the road.
Bill Holland has built with steel, titanium, carbon, and a couple of models that combined carbon and titanium. As of 2023, he builds full-titanium and full-carbon frames. Both are full-custom and come with a fairly sophisticated fit by Cody Stevenson, a former road pro who is now a partner in the business. I'm thinking about a new bike for the first time in over a decade, so I'd like to own something that's really fresh and different from the Holland ti/carbon Exogrid I have now. Carbon is probably the route I'll go.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews Tim, well said! Thank you for kindly taking time to answer my question. Have a wonderful evening! You always will take time to help us all with our silly questions -you are so awesome!
Brilliant show as always, thanks Tim and crew
Thanks Tim. Great video!
While the Bel Canto is very attractive visually, the chime is more muted than expected, and the winding action felt gritty and a bit mushy as well. Hard to describe, but definitely not a pleasant experience.
I can just listen to this guy talk forever. Thank you! Epic show indeed.
Tim is doing Gods work, bless his heart. The Mr Rodgers / Dear Abby of watches
Love this episode! Great advice! Thank you Tim and the WatchBox Studios team. 👏❤️🙏🥰
Thank you Tim and Team
I'm also exactly waiting to see how/if the fifty fathoms changes. Current one fits me so well but I have a nagging feeling once I get one I will see a new upgraded release
Again a great show
Hey Tim, thoughts on the Movado triple calender 14950.. many thanks
Super show as always
Thanks for sticking with me - this one was longer than I prefer, but the live chat was what extended it, and I try to respect my audience.
Best,
Tim
Tim forgot to mention when it comes to naked modern watches often times they are stolen and will be confiscated when sent in for service
Dear, thanks for sharing, I fully agree that looking for a watch and getting intimacy with this grail is key to build à collection however my experience leads me to conclure that you will not sell any because of the sentimental aspects 😉
I almost bought the Breitling Premier B09 Chronograph 40 AB0930D31L1P1 pistachio dial at 8:45. But the 2-4-8-10 being cut off on the dial is a huge negative for me. It ruins the aesthetic of the dial. Otherwise it is a stunningly gorgeous watch.
I agree. Weird design aesthetic.
Great advice on importance of getting the original papers - and ideally with boxes with bits and bobs. How could muggers get the original documents? Naked watches may well have dodgy histories. Buying naked watches encourages theft IMO.
That's true and important. Just like watches price suspiciously below market or sold without serials, naked watches may have become that way through theft.
Best,
Tim
Rolex dealers on service "Who are you? Sorry don't have any watches to try, sorry this is display only, sorry can't put your on wait list. Can I get back to browse the internet on my phone now?"
Hi Tim, do you have recommendations for something similar to that Cellini moon at around 10k or below?
Yes, the JLC Master Ultra Thin Moon can be found used for less than $10K used: stainless steel with black and silver dial options The blue dial model might be possible at $10K on the nose with some preowned negotiating.
Best,
Tim
Thanx Tim and Shawn... Good narrative ✅️✅️✅️. Love the example of Ansel Adam's, love his work and history. Great watch, parody... Collectors Conversation? All utilitarian, I will just watch and enjoy. Have a good week. 🥃🥃🥃
Im laughing so hard at Chevy catching strays
Tim you look amazing like always
Fine watches for sure. I have limited edition giclee paintings on the wall and Asian Swiss fusion watches on the wrist.
The problem with watches is if you get the call, it is hard to say no.
Ok Tim and team, do I got Tudor Pelagos blue, Pelagos 39, or modern Submariner? I can get all retail or less.
If the money's all the same, which one do you want most? Obviously, the Tudors are better priced, but like I said in the episode, you'll wind up with both watches if you really want the Sub and buy the Tudor instead.
Best,
Tim
As someone who has owned both, the sub is by far a better watch. The pelagos blue is a very different and unappealing shade of blue. The fxd’s blue is much better. Also, the glide lock is head and shoulders above the pelagos “spring loaded” clasp. The pelagos is a much clumsier case shape, overly thick and text cluttered dial. I hope my opinions and experiences help
@@the1916companywatchreviews2 weeks later and I own both. You’re a wizard.
Brilliant
If AP will sell that blue ceramic over retail I’m buying 😂
My rule is that any Patek post 2000, must have box/papers. Patek buyers have always been particular. With other watches pre-2010 box /papers not needed. AP/rolex collectors before that time generally did not keep these things, unless they were anal.
The Zenith Daytona has an additional cringe factor if people ask you: "Wow, you've got a Daytona/Rolex," and you gotta say: "No, it's a Zenith." Now the average guy looks at you like you wear a 100-dollar Chinese Pagani, and now you start embarrassed mumbling how Zenith once made Daytona movements for Rolex and maybe end up admitting that you paid 10.000 dollars for an homage... Of course, you sell that thing.
if you're sitting in a controlled environment, the studio, you don't need a wireless lavalier. You need a shotgun mic. plus, it will sound noticeably better.
Everyone acting like Rolex was the first to make a watch with a ceramic tachymeter bezel 😂
Everyone thinks this?
Best,
Tim
Give me Rolex Rolex Rolex
All those PP at the beginning are meh to down right bleah. Sorry guys.
sorry but papers are overrated. if you never sell then what does it matter. even if you sell in 20+ years you'll still most likely have a capital gain if you're buying blue chip watches.
I've seen missing papers cost a dude $200,000 on a grand comp. That's not nothing - even to him.
Best,
Tim
@@the1916companywatchreviews Tim, like most assets, as we all know the money is made on the buy, not the sell. If you can buy smart then it matters less when you go to exit.
With the exception of outliers like Gramps watch in an estate why isn't it expected practice to keep the box/papers with the watch?
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CELL PHONES, CHURCHES HAVE THE TIME IF YOU CANT AFFORD A WATCH ASK YOUR NEXT PERSON WITH WATCH FOR THE TIME.. ONLY STUPID PEOPLE BUY EXPENSIVE WATCHES AND CLOTHES.SALVATION AND GOODWILL HAVE THEM CHEAP.
Great episode👍