The Great PEBL adventure part 10
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 23 ธ.ค. 2017
- Merry Christmas everyone! I've been wanting to do a detailed review video for you of my experiences in the PEBL so far, so I put some stuff together yesterday with my son Trevor who helped video. Overall I really like the PEBL and am glad I purchased it. It hasn't been without issues and as a brand new vehicle purchased from the manufacturer, I guess I would expect it to be more "refined" but I was an extremely early adopter, so I knew I might face some issues. On the bright side, I'm learning a lot about things I never knew before.
I tried installing a wireless computer on the PEBL but wasn't able to get the thing to work at all. Not sure if it was an angle issue with the sensor and spoke magnet, or if the distance was too long or some other issue. I'm considering adding a wired one or possibly getting the fancy one that the ELF owners use which is plugged right into the electronics so its much more accurate and powered by the PEBL itself instead of batteries. I'll let you know as that proceeds.
The 8-speed Sturmey Archer hub has been pretty good, but I typically have 1-3 gears that don't really work since adjusting it perfectly over the long cable run is challenging. Eventually I'll probably swap it out for a 5-speed hub or hopefully one of the new Bosch hubs or something more refined as more of this type of vehicle gets on the road around the world. - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
The more I see these bicycle cars, the more I want one!
Same here
Your son did a great job. Plus I loved his comments. 👍😊
Mathew Dewolfe thanks
Just read the comments! These men are so informative and fare about pointing out every little thing between these two bikes.
I used up all my smarts just by choosing to buy a bike never mind which one. So glad these men take the time to inform the public.
Excellent, enjoy local input, since I'm looking at upgrading to BB's PEBL, and your adventure descriptions are helping ...
I have seen all of yours and Jdrum's videos and found them to be inspiring enough for me to put down a PEBL deposit! I live in Burlington, Vermont and was able to set up a test ride of a PEBL with Nevin. I really enjoyed it and cannot wait to get my PEBL!
I picked up my PEBL on January 20, 2020 and love it. It is getting a lot of attention especially at work! Thanks again for all your videos.
Nice adventure . Thanks for the video
I love your vehicle ❤️👍
great VID thanks for the info, I'm heading down to the PEBL shop in a couple weeks to see one for myself!
Attilathebun84 great! Enjoy the ride!
Merry Christmas and a Happy New year.
Thanks, this is a very good transportation option for medium / small cities.
+ Cheap maintenance.
+ Space saving.
+ Ecologic.
+ Healthy.
Love these bike/ trikes 🧡🧡🧡
Very good 👍
Your son may have a career in films. Great job,
son.
Wows. I like this
Merry Christmas!! I think your assistant videographer is great. Thank you for the update. You always have valuable information. I plan to move when I retire but our hills are 2+ miles up to my home.
The leaking info is important. I’m sure they will address that. If not, it’s something I will address when I can get mine. We seem to get our share of rain here in eastern PA. That was good advice about the fan & heater. I’m going to be getting mine late enough that I’ll take that into consideration. Do I really want to ride when it’s 10*? I’d probably like to try.
Looking forward to your next vlog. You provide a great service.
T&L's Nana I think 10 degrees would be no problem even without a heater. My wife got me these hot packs to put in my back pockets when it gets really cold. Wear winter gloves, and such. The biggest problem will be battery wear at that temp.
Very good
Really Nice.
Dear Eric,
I have been enjoying your videos. I just moved to Colorado Springs, and my new job is about a 30 min ride from my place. I am looking at the PEBL or the ELF as a possible daily commuter. What version PEBL did you purchase? Looks like there are three models to choose from. The suspension looks cool, but I also don’t mind a rigid frame either. I currently ride a catrike 700 and I’m used to the rigid frame.
Any who, I had a couple of questions.
When you did your front wheel alignment, did you have the vehicle on the ground? Or did you lift the front end?
Have you Tried the ELF? I was wondering if you have any opinions/comparisons. They both seem like awesome vehicles!
Thanks and keep posting the videos,
Sincerely,
Danny
A very cool way to commute or run to the shop. Clearly there are big advantages from having that roof. E bikes and motor bikes are vulnerable to rain and cold.. As for beating Big Oil..........priceless.
I have a windshield and cover for my upright electric bike called a Veltop that protects me from the rain and cold weather.
It's from France and only cost a few hundred USD.
However you also need good long front fenders to protect your legs from getting wet from splash from the front wheel.
It looks weird but it works
beating big oil...hahahahahah..the whole Pebl is fiberglass, plastic, plexiglass, solar panel, rubber tires and
highly processed 6061 Alum. Beating oil? What world do you live in....this Pebl ( and the Elf ) will never
recover the oil investment that's in this little bike//car.
Just think on this...you're being hyped. Think along the lines of recycyled bikes and power systems that use
recoved materials.....then you can beat oil.
I appreciate your views but I wonder if you are a bit biased towards the environmental advantages of this vehicle.
Thanks for your reviews. One thing I couldn't find is what battery option you chose. I would have been interested in how the hill gearing would be with the smallest front chain ring. I am considering one for my partially handicapped sister so your brake comments were very important.
Charles Brockway with the smallest front chainring, the motor quickly outpaces your pedaling rpm speed on the flats and since you must physically move the chain with your fingers it’s not something you’ll want to change often. It would however help for hill climbing.
I have one of the 16 amp hour and one of the 32 amp hour batteries. Nice having two so I can switch off for better longevity
It’s an uphill battle ....
Impressive that's a pretty steep hill.
My city has some paved bike trails but stupidly they designed it so a Velomobile like the ELF or the PEBL or a recumbent trike could not fit in between the chained locked posts meant to keep out cars.
m9078jk3 I was concerned about that too. There are some really narrow spots so tight I’m not sure a new PEBL with the bigger better mirrors would fit
All the videos are great you have and with your sons help are very good you make things very visible not any half screen shots such as some of the ELF videos it is a joy to watch this is my 3/4th time watching all your videos that’s how serious I am about purchasing such an item thank you very much .... Also where are these available that I can purchase one and about how much are they and I’m thinking you are a get all your details kind of a guy you want the best deal possible so thank you Eric I’m curious for in feedback to me and again thank you
Laura Tibbles happy to help! Please let better.bike know my videos were a big help if you order. Just visit www.better.bike and click on place an order for pricing info etc. if you contact them they can get you in touch with the closest owner for a test ride. If you’re near Eugene Oregon reach out to me on Facebook if you want to see mine/test drive
Thank you Eric for the input
Very much appreciated
I want to know how much is it this awesome bike and does go well on up Hills?
If I wasn’t battling Lyme disease I’d have my 4 wheel drive pedal kart project finished. It’s 4 wheel steer also. I can lock it in 4 wheel lock so all 4 wheels rotate exactly the same amount.
Thank you so much for posting all these videos, I’m hoping you’ll post another soon as you’ve had the bike for a while now. Any updates? Anything you would add to the bike if you were to buy it again? I’m seriously considering making a purchase, any advice for me?
Andrew, I'm actually just waiting on a sunny day so my videographer (son) doesn't get soaked while I take some video and give everyone a long-term update. Still really enjoying the PEBL and since I don't have a car, I really am enjoying not EVER buying gas, I don't even know what gas costs these days. I also am enjoying not ever worrying about traffic... since there really isn't any. The bike paths are getting more clogged with pedestrians that like to walk 3-abreast, so I've been taking the on-road paths lately both ways where before I'd take the bike paths in the AM, but it's not an issue. Still really nice. There are certainly a few things I'd like to see Better Bike change or add as options on upcoming models and I'll be making comments on those in the video. There are also a list of changes that they've implemented which I feel makes the PEBL a better.bike : P
Season's greetings Eric. How about a 4000 mile road trip to see what this baby can do? Pedal down to Key West or to Yosemite? Would the extra battery and camping gear be too much for hills? Maybe a front derailleur would help.
Popeye Gordon thanks! Sorry, I don’t think I have that much time to commit to testing. There are some great rail trails I’d really like to ride in the Northwest.
Thought I would comment on this one. I have been speaking with Serafina the new costumer service rep from better bike. She said they are improving the way the trunk is build so water run off like what happened to yours won't happen in mine. They are still making improvements. My PEBL is still scheduled for production in December. So I should be able to post some snow riding videos for you guys! I live in Iowa and when it snows it snows!
Wow! That's awesome that they're making further improvements. I know they're constantly iterating to make things better. I'd love to see some snow video. If you want to feature it on my channel, I'd be happy to share it. Are we connected on Facebook? If so, message me and I'll send you my personal info so we can connect to transfer the video data once you have it. Congrats on getting your PEBL soon!
I would love to take one of these across japan it would be a real adventure.
Can you get never go flat inner tubes so your tires never go flat. Let me know where to get them from ?
I think your son did fine filming
ok. that you
Meera ST what?
Can you charge it at your house with a regular wall outlet ?
I would like to travel to two Countries on a PEBL so kindly suggest a suitable scheme
ok.thank uou
I want one so bad
Well done, Fischnaller junior, you have a better grip on the camera than your father. Otherwise, thank you both for the info.
Did you cover your pedals and clips in a video already? I am picking up mine in the spring, and I am really looking forward to it. Mine will be red, with the 100 mile battery and wiper and the 3" tires -- pretty similar to yours, really.
Your son did a fine job!
Neil Blanchard Nice! Good thinking on the extended battery. I think I mentioned them but if not, I use the Crank Brothers Double Shot. One side clip one side platform. The Crank Brothers pedals are what I use on all of my bikes.
I use the Eggbeater 2s on my road bike and Mallets on my full suspension. The ones I have are most similar to the DH -they used to only have one mallet pedal. www.crankbrothers.com
How is it, after one year? Still working well? Btw, how much did u pay for it?
What’s the price on this bikes
@@carlosramirez7641 The company now has new owners, whom I believe are in Germany. They have done a thorough design overhaul, and their costs are going to therefore be different. Short answer is we do not know how much it will cost.
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Hi. I enjoyed your post about the pebble. But I'm wondering when you purchase this model did you choose the highest available wattage of motor? I mean Florence just 60 miles to your West without too many local Hills but I'm a big guy.
Daniel Smyth the new ones have an on road switch which functions at 750 watt, and an off road switch that’s at 1500 watt. Many people are using the 1500 watt switch to hill climb.of course that will lessen your range. My PEBL has both the standard 16-amphr(25-mile) battery AND a 32-amphr (50-mile) battery. Personally with my experience with range of battery in relation to long hill climbs I wouldn’t try going the 60 mi to Florence without the 100mi range battery. I might give it a go if I weighed 50# less, but that extra weight plus the PEBL would not be advised. Plus the width of the PEBL on some of that hwy where little to no shoulder is present and blind corners, it’d be dangerous
Daniel - federal law limits these designs to a 750 watt motor. That wattage determination is a bench test average with no over heating when running 24 hours a day. The motor controller is required by that same law to limit top speed to 20 mph. In reality the motors can and do draw much more than 750 watts while climbing hills. My ELF hits 1,800 watts when starting up steep hills, I weigh 300 pounds but my ELF curb weight is 45 pounds less. The PEBL so-called 'off road' switch changes the settings on the motor controller to limits that are technically illegal on public roads, bike lanes or bike trails but so far I have heard of no legal challenges to offering that switch as a factory option.
Don't be so hard on your son's videoing, it looked fine to me.
his videoing was fine but he talks too much
that's what I was thinking too :)
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What would you think about getting one to use to get from Lincoln Nebraska to Denver Colorado would it be a good vehicle for getting back and forth
You do realize this is a bicycle right? That’s a 40-hour ride. 492mi.
@@EricFischnaller yes I do I think that there are bicycle trails all the way I've wanted to ride a regular bike but I really want a pebl
Wow😲😲😵
I was thinking about purchasing one when I get back to San Francisco. Can it be locked so it won’t get stolen over night? I’ve seen motorcycles get stolen.
Robert Au if you’re talking about parking outside all night I wouldn’t recommend it. Even if you were to install u-bolts into the concrete, and Krypto lock to that at all 3 wheels, there’s no way to secure the cab. I could see it being vandalized or wheels removed and carried away. I’d recommend a storage shed at least to keep it out of the prying eyes of thieves. Plus heavy rains and winds will cause the seals to leak on the tailgate and windows so you may have electric problems long term
Eric Fischnaller thanks for the information. Guess I’ll purchase the Segway mini pro or their new model loomo. Time to save some more
Why did you choose to sell the PEBL?
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Hello there does have pedals instead of electic
Yes there are pedals AND electric. You'll use electric and pedaling to get started. I always pedaled along with using the throttle since the smaller 750 watt motor isn't really adequate to keep a vehicle like this moving fast without pedaling. Especially up a hill, you have to pedal if you have any hope of reaching the top.
Wow 😙
I want to get a pebl bike myself I'm 2019
This is one of the reasons I had to drop the Pebl the motor just can not handle the wight of the body. If you stopped on a steeper grade you have a lot of difficulty getting it started. That would become too dangerous with traffic.
VeloVloger I had a guy test ride today who lives in the South hills and found riding up hills very difficult. He’d probably need a PEBL with a 1500 watt motor but of course that’s a no go
Velo - So you recant all those nasty things you said about the ELF and about me on the deleted Blue Monkey video? Look, I want better.bike to succeed but unless the federal law changes so they can use a higher wattage motor they are in trouble. The extra 40 pounds broke the camel's back. I predict a 1500 watt aftermarket kit will be developed by someone to power up the PEBL.
I was going to say that the extra 40 pounds DEFINITELY didn't break the camel's back. I had a guy ride my PEBL yesterday that was at least 50 pounds less heavy than me, fit and ready to ride, but after trying to ride the PEBL up a hill, he decided it was a no go. He lives up a very steep hill in Eugene and wanted to know if he could take his two very small children with him out to school, grocery store etc. After trying it on the steep hill he decided he was going to have to find another solution.
Eric - that's a little confusing, your double negative implies the extra vehicle weight did not (?) make a difference but then you proceed to describe someone not being able to climb a hill to his satisfaction as can be done with the ELF with an adult passenger. 40 pounds is the weight of one kid and another penalty comes from the choice of motors used in the PEBL. I'm 65, multiple disabilities, 300 pounds and still climb the steepest hill in town with a load of groceries. My watt meter says I'm pulling 1400 to 1600 watts as I pedal in 6th gear at 12 mph. My ELF has about 12 pounds worth of useful upgrades too. BTW I'm having a 5 speed Sturmey Archer rear wheel built now, I think you are right about it working better with our shifting problems.
Sounds like the PEBL needs something like a bafang bbs01 or bbs02 electric motor which powers through pedals thus utilising gears for hills. The hubs are great for general riding but many lack lower speed torque.
Get a silicone caulking and Jerry rig a gutter for it
So your don has to walk if there are hills?
Amy Black if the hills are. Long and steep yes... if I was more like 160# instead of 220# then probably not an issue. With my son and I the weight capacity is nearly maxed out
For sale?
Eric - a contact of mine through Facebook owners group owns both a PEBL and an ELF. She modified the motor controller programming and claims it is a hill climbing beast now, faster than her ELF up hills and 23 mph on flat roads. I know you could be aware of this through your private owners forum but I have no access to that. What do you think? Worth pursuing? I am skeptical because it is not just about breaking laws but could burn out the motor during sustained loads.
Popeye Gordon that has been my concern. I don’t want to Damage the electrical systems or motor as I suspect it’d be expensive and a hassle to repair. Not unlike you I don’t have much call for hill climbing so I’m happy with mine as is
That's cool, it's your baby. I did have the impression you were frustrated with hill climb performance. VeloVlogger completely gave up on his due to that issue but before an owner gives up and tries to sell they should give it a shot. Regardless this will be addressed within the first year if better.bike stays in business.
+Popeye Gordon What are the legalities of modifying the controller?
@@stan.rarick8556 The Federal law states a 750 watt motor limit and 20 mph speed limit on all public roads and bike trails unless local laws change those limits. The PEBL is now sold with an "off road" switch for a 1500 watt power limit that is legal only on private roads and unpaved bike paths or logging roads. Turns out the actual curb weight is 205 pounds so they had to do something to stay in business. The ELF weighs 45 pounds less.
I live in Melbourne, Australia, and I’m wanting a vehicle like this (time will tell which company actually launches here with a compliant 250W model) for my work commute, and shopping. I don’t have a bike because I know what I’m like. For 50% of the year, I’ll complain that it’s too hot and sunny to ride to work, because I’d end up sweaty and exhausted, and for the other 50%, I’d complain that it’s too rainy. A little enclosed cab ebike like this would rob me of that excuse not to ride.
It does do that for sure. Hope something becomes available for you
@@EricFischnaller The real stumbling block for me is that Australia adheres to an old version of the European Pedalec standard, meaning we’re limited to a 250W motor that can only be engaged while pedaling, and a maximum speed of 25 km/h, so even if I could afford to import one (base cost, cruel exchange rate, shipping, import duties), it’d have to be significantly modified to be road legal here.
@@NoobixCube also, a 250W motor would be pitiful on the 200# PEBL. I was thinking it’d be nice if one of the many makers out there would see the PEBL and fill the need to Australia
@@EricFischnaller I've seen a couple of videos, watched their Cycle Analysts, and for the majority of the ride the motor hangs around 100-200W load, but that's with a fair bit of pedaling. The ELF is somewhat lighter and 250W would perform better in it, but I guess I'll have to wait for the British Drycycle, or the Swedish Podride, both of which are designed for the European market where 250W is the standard.
I want to buy one, do they export to the UK?
LordWilsonVILLA so far only to the US and Canada. Reach out to Better.Bike and maybe they can put you on a list when they start exporting
Thanks, but they got sick of me asking them about a year ago. I thought they might have branched out to the UK by now. I'll have to make my own ;-) or there is the Evovelo from Germany.
Sounds like it needs an overhaul change out the motor to a higher power motor and juice up the batteries with a new set of powerful battery and controller I might if it has a like I think bypass that controller and add a new controller and new batteries and a new motor along with a powerful hub motor of 3000 to 5000 watt should be able to climb anything then add more solar panels to it will generators great more power any other things you can think of to juice it up like capacitors off of a microwave that would be able to quick charge and hook to a transformer that was so charged regular lithium batteries off the pack of super capacitors from microwave it's just an idea I'll come up with ideas and tried everything out that might work the failure to increase the power of the week pebble or else whatever in case may be cuz both of them are just as weak in power they're okay on the flat but put them on the hill our mountain range you might as well set them out to collect rust if you don't pick them up to increase your power to be reclined the mountain ranges at a decent speed I was at going to a stop and reversing down the hill without any power to go back up the hill like the rubber band snaps anything you can do that's a break down and lock it down so at least you stop if you will have to get out and pick it up and turn it around and go back down the hill cuz you ain't going up the hill under baby power of a baby baby motor that should be in a the little kitties car because church that you can go only 20 mph and I under power or 25 under power and that's all you can go if you want to go faster you got a pedal well that's fine and dandy but the steep mountain is ranges and roads and heels needs more power so quit choking the e-bike system trikes like the pebble and l under a baby motor that should be in a baby mobile instead of a elf or a pebble give the vehicle a chance to show the world the use of a pebble and elf should be packed with power to go anywhere a car goes and should be legally still registered as a bicycle
I thought it your were going drive it. Plus I feel like the pebl can go a lot faster than that I just know it.
He drives it in other videos. All these are limited by federal law to 20 mph with 750 watt motor.
PEBL VS ELF
So yeah, still needs at least a 1000w motor.
Yeah maybe 1500 if you're doing any real hill-climbing. What I'd like to see from a law standpoint would be a speed limiter of 19mph with no watt requirement. That would solve the problem because you could do more like 350 watt on an upright pedal cycle and on something like this 1500 or 2000 watts to have the torque to move the vehicle up a hill at 19mph still.
what is the cost. can it be shipped to India
Meera ST cost starts at $8000 USD and so far they only ship to US and Canada
Can your children drive it ?
B3thann Barrett my 14 yr old can. My 13yr old that helped with the video is a bit short so he hasn’t yet
Eric Fischnaller Thanks
Wouldn't we be better off acquiring one of these as a rolling chassis, then adding our own electronics. Seems companies are always 3 steps behind DIY.
jonathan Forlin certainly a possibility personally I’m not up to the task for that so glad for companies like Better.Bike and Organic Transit
jonathan - I disagree. DIY has no motivation to make these street legal, conforming to federal law. Businesses also have bulk discounts you can't get and they are less likely to make blunders since they hire engineers and consultants. They can source light weight high performance components that individuals can't. Besides, my ELF model has seen continuous upgrades and updates, over 400 in 5 years. There is certainly no '3 steps behind' with them.
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This is the 1st vid of yours i've seen and only thing i don't like about it is the front wheels leaning in at the top.
Damian Vesik I think the reasoning for the lean in is for stability
That is a common popular intentional design feature of the 'tadpole' trike. The wheel spokes are tensioned to be stable at that angle. The idea is that when you turn, the outside wheel gets more loading. The angle lets the wheel give a bit more traction with the stress closer to the center of the tire tread while turning. When going straight the leaning wheels are not noticed but you do need to rotate your tires every 800 miles to allow even tread wear.
@@EricFischnaller This wheel geometry is referred to as negative camber. Its use on three wheeled cycles (velomobiles and trikes) is to increase track width (greater stability) without increasing over-all width of the vehicle.
Why only three wheels? why not four wheels? or do you have to have three wheels to be classified as a bike?
LordWilsonVILLA three wheels or less to be classified as bike
Unfortunately, in the US, 4 wheels isn't classified as a bike. It's really a shame though because they can be tipped over with just the 3 wheels.
It so sounds like something is rubbing
David Macdonald think you’re hearing the chain in the chain housing. My drivetrain has been modified since which makes it much quieter.
Eric great videos what is there cost , in my country SCOTLAND you can only get a 250 wat motor.
Without a front derailleur, if you can't add one yourself, you might want to consider getting a Rohloff 14 speed hub built into the rear wheel. It'll give you a wider gear range both on the lower end and the higher end. It would make climbing the big hills like this more of a breeze. The only drawback is Rohloff hubs are expensive...
www.cyclingabout.com/15-reasons-to-tour-with-a-rohloff-hub/
JaleelJohanson62 actually my thought is to get a two or three speed crankset. I talked all about this in Part 3 of my series
Ah yes.... I actually saw that, but forgot about it when I posted above... If I recall, it looked expensive? The solution could also be as simple as replacing your middle sprocket with one that's a little smaller. That depends on how well what you have now works for you on the flat in the highest gear. I have a Tripod velomobile with a Bafang mid-drive so only have one sprocket in the front with an 8 speed derailleur in the back. With my gearing, I have plenty of low end, but can't easily assist the motor at speeds exceeding 20mph. In concept, it's similar to what you have in operation. Another option might be to lower the gearing of your mid-drive? I'm not familiar enough with it to know if that's actually possible? One thing is for certain... I am totally aware of the trade-off involved with only having one gear in the front. I'm considering the Rohloff hub myself because it gives the same effective range as a 27 speed gear train with no repeated gearing. Good luck solving your issue! It's definitely solvable. 750W is plenty to climb the hill in this video with the correct gearing.
Jaleel - Bikers talk about the Rolhoff but very few will shell out the money for them. My ELF has ruined two 8 speed Sram rear internal hubs which never shifted right due to the excessively long shift cable run that can not be properly calibrated. Same thing is happening with the Sturmey-Archer 8 speed hub on the PEBL, adjustments problems. The answer appears to be changing to a 5 speed hub which has enough indexing travel in the cable to work with longer cable runs so I'm have one built. You are incorrect about the motor wattage being sufficient, it is not. The PEBL design violated the rule about horsepower/weight ratio with their 195 pound curb weight. It may cost them their business in the end unless the federal law is changed to allow 1000 watt motors on heavier ebikes. We will know by the end of 2018.
Popeye - Someone who's willing to shell out in excess of $5000.00 for a velomobile or very high end recumbent trike is exactly the kind of person who'd consider a Rohloff hub if it would solve a gear range problem. That's why I thought it appropriate to throw the suggestion out there. That said, I went back and re-watched Eric's Part 3 video and I really think the solution he outlines with the shiftable planetary geared front sprocket is probably the best way for him to go. Not as expensive as I thought it would be either... I think if Eric moved the chain in the front to the lowest gearing and tried this hill he'd know if he's got enough power to climb it. I live on the top of a mountain with steeper hills than this and have a Bafang 750W motor running through an 8 speed derailleur in the back powering my Tripod velomobile. I climb the hills with ease in the lowest gear. The PEBL is on the HEAVY side though when it comes to velomobiles... No denying that...
Yes the 195 pound curb weight combined with a less than ideal motor selection is a bad combo. Most any vehicle like these will of course work harder when carrying a passenger in the rear, regardless of what gearing is used to add the human power which is simply not sufficient for vehicle weight and load. The real solution is a 1000 watt motor but of course that will not conform to federal ebike laws.
I'm retired on SS so an outlay like the cost of a Rolhoff, an import at that, is not practical. If it was US made, maybe. I'm trying to save up for the cost of a replacement vehicle should my ELF be wrecked or stolen, it is all I've got and insurance is out of the question.
If your interested in selling I'm willing to buy ASAP !!! THANKS 😇
sherry a sorry but not looking to sell anytime soon. Maybe in 5-10 years...
Eric Fischnaller no thanks by then I'm sure to have a brand new car !
Cars are going obsolete. Don't underestimate the new industry starting with the ELF and PEBL.
Popeye Gordon who's underestimating ? I just want this right now temporarily. You can't drive an elf or pebl 90 miles a day in snow !! And all I said was I would have a brand new car in 5 years. I Never said my new car wouldn't be Electric did I ??
Sherry - 90 miles is always unsustainable under any circumstances. 4000 lb steel caged climate controlled high speed lounge couches are always unsustainable even if they run on fairy dust. They require nature suffocating roads and parking spaces, cause too much brake and tire dust, road kills, cost you too much in insurance and maintenance, too much infrastructure required. We have to change our habits or perish. If the job is 90 miles away, MOVE!
How much
Wafaa Zaki about $10k shipped
I am sorry I am not sure you mean 10 $ only!
Check www.better.bike for latest prices
This thing is cool but 20000 bucks?
i would put a 49cc engine in it
Stupid idea. The whole concept and design is based on abandoning fossil fuels for healthy sustainable living.
If it was a 4 cycle engine that gets 200 MPG that's a decent idea.
However a 2 cycle engine would be a no no as they are extremely polluting with lots of particulate emissions.
Hey stronger motor
Rat dat biet...
you criticize your son in the first 2 minutes!! :-/
Yeah
Who knew a trike powered by batteries materials mined in the third world but made in china
cant compete with a 50cc fuel engine made in china
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И этот кусок говна стоит 12 к зелени! Ниссан Лист можно за эти деньги купить, в хорошем состоянии.
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A nadie le interesa lo que habla. Que muestre el vehículo. Se ve sólo su cara y no es para nada interesante
Price plzzz.
I live in pakistan Karachi city I like bicycle car plzzz give me
The price on these things is a tax on stupidity. I am buying a 2008 smart fortwo with 30k miles on it in perfect condition for 3 grand.....a Chevy spark is 13k brand new. Lower carbon footprint yadda yadda....paying nearly 10 grand for a trike is just stupid from all angles. P.s. battery production is more damaging to the environment than any fossil fueled vehicle could ever dream of being. Solar is horrifically bad for the environment. There is nothing green about green tech.
What an ignorant and innumerate comment. 1200 of these have been sold with payment in full in advance. You don't even know that those bullet shaped high speed velomobiles cost between 8 and 11 thousand dollars with no e-assist, cargo and passenger capacity. The materials alone costs $3000 for the factory. The PEBL or ELF is also far cheaper than a car to own. Let's look at the numbers to see. Lay out 10K for a new PEBL delivered, or a nice 4 year old used car. The similarity ends there. What follows in the next ten years of ownership costs is dramatically different! Mandatory insurance, license, fuel, engine maintenance and all the rest will cost you $30,000 every ten years. In those same ten years the PEBL will cost you $3000 for typical bike maintenance at $25/hr and two battery replacements. That's a $27,000 difference you can count on because the ELF has no $5000 motor or $3000 transmission to blow up. A bonus is the fitness you can maintain as you pedal the ELF at your desired pace, no gym membership needed. Another bonus is you get to stop causing co2 emissions - that helps everyone. My ELF collects 100% of my daily transportation energy needs with the 100 watt PV roof panel. Solar is fantastically good for the environment and all full explorations of total input vs. output prove it.
Very nice and like
Can I get in the states
Theoretically. They took their manufacturing overseas to Germany I think go to www.better.bike to learn more