Thanks for taking the time to put this together. After having a couple of very wet bike rides to work last week here in Massachusetts, the PEBL does look tempting.
It's pretty awesome not having to gear up for a ride, especially a short one. It was really frustrating to have to take 10 mins getting ready, do a 8-10 minute ride, and 10 mins getting my wet gear off, hanging, drying my bike, etc. The PEBL is also very visible to other vehicles since it's profile and height is similar to a Smart Car, and with the bright colors, you really stand out in the darker rain. The PEBL also has a plethora of lights all around, and I use Retro-reflective rim strips which really pop when a car's headlights hit them.
Nice real-world presentation. I'm thinking a pushbutton for wiper on the handlebar, since your use it so intermittently. I would too, for the reasons you mentioned. I keep thinking one of these for the Great American Rail Trail would work well. Sorry you sold #7. I would have liked the continued updates, mods etc. (:
This PEBL is better than the ELF, but it is quiet, it has a floor to keep your feet from getting wet. I find the most comfortable. I saw an elf video walking on the road, shaking everything that made noise, rainwater wetting my feet etc.
I got caught biking back in the rain on my commute two days ago and thought of this. According to BB mine will be ready this week to be shipped. So naturally I'm thinking another two weeks, plus two weeks for shipping. Really looking forward to it, though.
Eric, thank you for doing the vid finally... I'm so green watching this ... I living in north central Phoenix AZ would love to get one of these .. love the visibility (color)of yours .. sweet ride! Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving and Holidays to you and your family .. love to see more . Ed in Phoenix writes
I'm not sure how many months of good use you'd get in the Phoenix area. My Mom lives down there and during the summer months here when it's in the hundreds it's not the best. The PEBL uses many adhesive and plastic/rubber products in its makeup. The wiring harness in particular seems to be susceptible to extreme heat. If you were parked in covered parking and in a garage most of the time it would be fine I'd guess, but at my work it's outside for 9 hours a day in a parking lot with 80-100% exposure. During those times, some of the adhesives have lifted off and I've had to stick them back down. In your heat I'd expect they would practically liquefy. It is nice on those really hot days to be out of the sun even in a place where you'd normally be fully exposed. With the solar roof in your area, you'd probably get a lot of bang for the buck and great regeneration capability. I take out the floor and roll up the doors in that kind of heat and don't cover it up. I found with my tight cover, while I was keeping the sun directly off the body, that the heat inside the cover was much warmer than with the cover off. I think that's what caused my problems. I didn't ride my PEBL too much in those extreme heat days though since I prefer my road bike when the weather's nice. Also, on those really amazing days, the park is completely full of people and it's tough to get through with the PEBL. On my bike that's a non-issue.
After 5 years of procrastination I just added a manually operated windshield wiper to my ELF. I fear the scratching on plastic and will keep my windshield waxed and clean. Intermittent manual operation is enough and it saves the weight and power of a motor.
True. Even the regular cycling videos i watch warn about riding the shoulder on highways. Could be extra dangerous on a PEBL. Unless perhaps you stuck to bike paths & side roads only. Something to ponder. Still, the PEBL definitely looks fun.
Shoulder riding is not that risky when you are smart about it. 3 people have taken 4000 mile journeys in the similar ELF car-bike without incident. I don't feel stuck at all, car drivers are stuck not being able to use bike paths, trails and lanes. The only responsible sustainable option today is getting rid of your car.
yeah it's not ideal on a hill-climb. You'd get really strong though! Upgrading your wattage output would probably do the trick - maybe if you got one of the new ones with the switch that goes between 1500 and 750 watts it would be doable.
Do you think the PEBL would be doable on a cross country tour? I was going to do it on an ebike pulling a trailer with a solar panel...but then I saw the PEBL and thought...hmmm 🤔 That looks interesting!
Bike Tall the biggest problem I see is the width of the PEBL on highways. It’s way wider than a typical bike wouldn’t want to ride it on a highway around here like highway 126 up to Bend or to the coast. Many shoulders are 18-24” where the PEBL needs around 40”. Also the solar panel serves more as a top off device taking nearly 8 hrs to charge the 25 mi battery. I guess it depends on how many miles you want to cover in a day
Eric - thanks for this latest video - I've watched them all and I'm getting REALLY close to a decision as to buying one. I noticed one of the comments suggested using RAIN-X on your windshield, which is what I was going to suggest. I don't live too far from you...in the Damascus, OR area southeast of Portland. My remaining question and concern are REALLY steep hills. We live at the top of a mil- long, steep hill and I still wonder if the PEBL would make it up even with peddling and a load of groceries. The BB videos say the hill shouldn't be a problem. Your thoughts?
Rain-X for glass will ruin a plastic windshield due to the alcohol. I have tried the Rain-X for plastic formula and it is not good, a pure liquid carnauba wax works pretty well with no wipers on my ELF. Pros and cons of PEBL vs. ELF for hill climbing: PEBL weighs 70 pounds more but it has a cheater switch for a power level technically not legal on roadways. ELF weighs 160 pounds, has no cheater for the 750 watt legal limit motor, and is sold with a 40 speed electronic shifting NuVinci mid-drive hub transmission. Long steep grades can over heat any ebike's motor controller. You may have to adjust your gearing to make it up a long hill without over heating.
FRANK JAAVA yep it’s quite a lot more than when I bought mine. Not sure I’d take the plunge if prices were where they are now. Still, they’re a lot cheaper than a car if you have a short commute and a lot more fun
that's a good idea. Typically I don't leave it so far closed. Often I'll just have the front 1/3 open and it doesn't want to flap back closed so often. Also, the wind was extreme the other day which was making it happen more than normal too.
Arguably the best update to date! It was really helpful to see the Pebl in action in the rain. Thanks again, Eric. From what it looked like, I think I could get away without the wiper; the visibility even when you weren't engaging the wiper seemed reasonable despite the downpour. I wouldn't mind having the wiper, but an extra $500 for another moving part that has the potential to fail (and jeopardizes the clarity of the windshield in the long run)... I might just go without. On another rain-related note, how easy is it to remove and reapply the heel well? I'm also wondering if it would be possible to leave the sides or the bottom of the zip-up doors open rather than the top so a little less water makes its way in? I'm assuming that would cancel out whatever anti-fogging you are trying to achieve by leaving them open a bit; or is it just the cooling breeze you're going for? Thanks again!
The biggest plus for the wiper really is when it's dark and the rain is light - mist like rain obscures the window really bad, as does heavy fog. These two conditions are a good reason for the wiper if no other reason. The windshield has a thin film like a window tint applied to the exterior. When it gets too scratched up, you can remove the film and reapply new film for a fresh window again! The heel well is really easy to remove, but I wouldn't be doing it all the time since the more you pull and push on the heel well, the faster it'll fail. It's made of corrugated plastic zip tied together with rubber edges. The interior is lined with the same carpet that's inside the PEBL throughout. Basically it's held in by a bit of friction (front and back lips) and by two screws - one on either side of the wheel wells. Adding and removing requires you to lay inside and unscrew these nuts, then push the heel well from the outside the clear the bolts. You then can remove the velcro on the seat side and the heel-well will drop down and push out the front underneath. you could leave only the front or back side of the zipper open but really there was not much rain coming in even in the downpour yesterday. I keep the top open since it allows more airflow and since heat rises, keeps the heat out of the cab, reducing fogging and keeping me cooler. The USB fan on my dashboard keeps the hot air from my breath from getting too near the windscreen.
1000 ELF owners have been using no wipers and a treatment of pure liquid carnauba wax every 2 weeks to keep the water beading off. Most of us eschew doors because of the fogging. I would not want them myself, over heating and fogging is not worth the minor amount of wet elbows and wet interior body areas that are bare plastic on the ELF, but there are half door and full door kits that some use. Oregon is half way between cold and hot climate zones so you need to make this decision.
I just priced out my PEBL on better.bike and with all of the options on mine, the total cost before shipping is $10,495. I believe shipping is around $1k. The new bodies are beautiful and the rain gutter on the back and on/off road switch are a great add-on. I felt as though the new PEBLs are a bit lighter too... A new video is coming soon where I discuss some of these things and show the delivery process so watch for that next week.
No rebates that I’m aware of. Most of those go through the state and since the vehicle doesn’t need licensing.. it’d be like getting a rechargeable flashlight and expecting a rebate.
Thanks for doing a rain demo. I don't know why the company hasn't done this. My needs are a bit different. I'm 87 and sill drive every day and can still ride a motorcycle (legally).But the day is fast coming when I will mo longer pass the eye test due to double vision at night. My tentative plan is to get a PEPL, put in a weatherproof floorboard, and deactivate the pedals due to my severe heart problems. It will be all electric, which is still legal where I live. Now here's the plan: ... I will carry a self-starting gasoline battery charger constantly hooked to the batteries to keep them charged, which should give me almost unlimited range without pedaling. Being battery powered and with only three wheels it will still be legally a "bicycle," requiring no license or insurance as long as I stay off state highways and on city streets with a 30 mph limit. PEPL is missing out on a lot of sales to the Disabled by not offering this option. .
Dumb idea. Carrying a gas generator in a bike is absurd. The solar roof option weighs just a couple pounds, can't explode and cremate you. A second battery and solar is a smarter idea. The floor is already sealed. We use state highways and all roads except interstate limited access freeways with a minimum speed limit. You will have to get a special permit because the federal law on these requires they be capable of pedaling. The ELF and PEBL both are marketed to disabled people. It is a significant part of their sales.
Eric; invest in some RainX for your windows .. on line order Aircraft Spruce and Specialty.. Wicks Aircraft up by you.. or local Airport may have it . Give it a try..
RainX for glass can damage plastic windows. The Rainx for plastic formula is not very good. Best method is to use pure carnauba wax, the non-cleaning formula.
Hi, I am from India, very nice to see this video. do they have any idea of marketing this wonderful vehicle in India. it will be an cost effective transport for the people in India.
Every day I see more people like you asking abut getting better transportation designs in India, Philipines and Brazil. You need to make your own, importing is too expensive.
No you want the ELF in the Phillipines. This vehicle is too closed in and hot. I use my ELF in hot Florida with no doors, it charges itself with a solar power roof.
So far there's no distribution outside of the USA. They ARE working on getting them to Europe, but ebike laws are all over the place and it's a tough transition from one country to the other. I would guess Pakistan isn't high on the list, but maybe you can take delivery in a neighboring country once they're sent to Europe? Thanks for watching...
This would be great to have however it still is a bit pricey when maybe pebl should sell the box so people can a put a cheap mountain bike in it. Then again its cheaper then a Tesla. Im in a rural area so i wont sell my rolling coal diesel truck. I would use a pebl bike to get around town
Crowman it’s definitely not for everyone. Lately with my kids being in high school I’m driving all over town picking up and dropping off and they’re too big to ride with me now so it’s less practical for me now than in the past
@@crowman8914 Any mention of "rolling coal" is a reference to extremely ignorant and intentionally harmful behavior. Deeply repulsive, like shooting spotted owls.
shadowdance4666 with full fender wells, a full sealed floor, and full zip doors the PEBL is pretty rain resistant. I wouldn’t recommend riding in very high winds. It can get a tad scary when one minute you’re in your lane and the next you’re in someone else’s lane...
Eric Fischnaller rear wheel drive?. How about turning radius and insulation from the elements including road noise because it’s so narrow. Flexible panels?
shadowdance4666 yes Rear wheel drive. Turning radius is pretty good can flip a U-ey on my semi narrow street. Motor noise is my biggest issue... it’s loud. So loud I don’t use my USB speaker since any nuance in the music would be missed
I wonder if anybody ever buys these and returns them just because they don’t like it. I need kind of a deal on one but I will use it a lot I really like the idea of leaving my car in the garage for going down to Walmart and going over to grocery outlet the post office all the stuff is within 3 miles of my house even I bet you can take it through the drive-through if you want to taco at Taco Bell
Oh for sure you can use the PEBL for all of that. It's ideal for that kind of use. Returning one would be very costly and I'm not sure it's been done. By the time most people get them they've been waiting for six months or more. I do seem to remember one that had so many problems that someone returned it. He did have to pay for shipping to return it which was like $800 but better that than hating it I guess.
Last i checked this vehicle was available only for US market however production I believe has moved outside the US at this point so maybe check in with better.bike for more info
This is the Better.Bike PEBL - not sure where you can get an ELF in TX. I'd suggest reaching out to Organic Transit and seeing if there's an owner close by that can show you theirs. As far as PEBLs go, the same thing would be the plan with these. Just reach out to Better.Bike and ask them where the closest owner is so you can get a test ride.
Kenneth Tarlow I run a unlock through the rear wheel and swing arm plus a cable to attach it to something hard mostly as a deterrent. I also have a gps tracker, and without the key you’d have to pedal it completely it’s very slow, and impossible to go up any reasonable sized hill with no power
@@EricFischnaller In California we have a lot of bikers. Most of use beat up bikes for commutes because we have tried all the locks, and Frankly they don't work. People drive up with a pickup truck snip the main cable to to the rack or pole lift the bike into the bed of the truck and away they go. The tracker is interesting, but not a deterrent. If you have a ten thousand dollar bike and your going to expose it to long period of time exposed to the public it will get stolen eventually. their must be some kind of insurance!!
Kenneth Tarlow it’s the same here. Bike theft is rampant. The odd thing is that a typical person doesn’t look at the PEBL as a bike. They see some weird car-thing and with the infrequency of seeing these, it doesn’t occur to them to steal it I don’t think. It’s kind of like stealing the Mona Lisa. And the individual parts aren’t really worth the trouble. The hubs and brakes and motor are probably only worth $500 on the black market. The battery might be of value but maybe not... how often do you see thieves going after handmade $10k cars like kit car?
And that’s the problem. A 250w motor on a 50# bike is adequate. The same on a 200# bike is terrible. Lawmakers need to not consider watts but top speed instead. A limit of 17-19 mph would be much better no matter the watts.
Yes, I typically use just 7 and 8 most of the time, but drop it to 4th or 5th to assist a start. I only use 1-3 when I absolutely need to pedal. Eric, do you have your crankset on the smallest, or the medium sprocket?
@@EricFischnaller After you and I discussed the advantages of reliable shifting with a 5 speed hub I had one made for My ELF and it is great, all I need in the way of speed ranges and it shifts accurately due to the longer throw for each gear and the single planetary gear in the Sturmey Archer. I think the 5 speed is more suitable for the loads of this heavy bike too.
you have a garage, in the city you can't leave it on the street or it would get stolen, and when at work where do you put it ? you say you don't have to leave your things at the office ? do you leave them on the street with the the device ? so you need a place to park it or else it get stolen, especially how nice it is, every thief in town will want to have one for themselves.
VeryStableGenius when at work it’s parked right in front of the office chained to a natural gas pipe where I can see it. It’s also under a cover. I take my personal belongings out. It also has a gps tracker.
They're only available in the US at this time. A few Canadians have picked them up and brought them north. They're available from better.bike (that's the website) and I believe they start at $9k - as mine's equipped it'll be about $10,500 prior to shipping
11:04 You like to ride accompanied by a cloth draped over the seat for companionship? ;) :P Yeah, I know, I know --- it's a tacky joke, but you'll admit that you were just "asking for it" in the way you worded this caption... as Jeff Dunham's "Peanut" puppet said, "How could I pass that up? You threw a slow ball down the middle of the plate. I HAD to swing!" :P Perhaps you meant to write, "After each ride, I wipe off the dirt and debris with a cloth". :D
Thanks for taking the time to put this together. After having a couple of very wet bike rides to work last week here in Massachusetts, the PEBL does look tempting.
It's pretty awesome not having to gear up for a ride, especially a short one. It was really frustrating to have to take 10 mins getting ready, do a 8-10 minute ride, and 10 mins getting my wet gear off, hanging, drying my bike, etc. The PEBL is also very visible to other vehicles since it's profile and height is similar to a Smart Car, and with the bright colors, you really stand out in the darker rain. The PEBL also has a plethora of lights all around, and I use Retro-reflective rim strips which really pop when a car's headlights hit them.
I Love the WindShield wipers..,they loock eficient))
I love watching your videos I just bought a green one and should be getting mine in about 5 weeks or so.
How is does the PEBL do in the rain? Foggy windows, scratchy windshield wipers, and what else?
Nice real-world presentation. I'm thinking a pushbutton for wiper on the handlebar, since your use it so intermittently. I would too, for the reasons you mentioned. I keep thinking one of these for the Great American Rail Trail would work well. Sorry you sold #7. I would have liked the continued updates, mods etc. (:
Someone loves the PEBL that keeps him dry! Very nice machine; nice colour too.
This PEBL is better than the ELF, but it is quiet, it has a floor to keep your feet from getting wet.
I find the most comfortable.
I saw an elf video walking on the road, shaking everything that made noise,
rainwater wetting my feet etc.
I got caught biking back in the rain on my commute two days ago and thought of this. According to BB mine will be ready this week to be shipped. So naturally I'm thinking another two weeks, plus two weeks for shipping. Really looking forward to it, though.
That was a scary ride! But interesting to say the least....Vibrating and hydroplaning as noticed as roughness on the handle bars??
Eric, thank you for doing the vid finally... I'm so green watching this ... I living in north central Phoenix AZ would love to get one of these .. love the visibility (color)of yours .. sweet ride! Thanks again and Happy Thanksgiving and Holidays to you and your family .. love to see more . Ed in Phoenix writes
Edward Kie yeah, I love the green color. Originally I ordered yellow.
I'm not sure how many months of good use you'd get in the Phoenix area. My Mom lives down there and during the summer months here when it's in the hundreds it's not the best. The PEBL uses many adhesive and plastic/rubber products in its makeup. The wiring harness in particular seems to be susceptible to extreme heat. If you were parked in covered parking and in a garage most of the time it would be fine I'd guess, but at my work it's outside for 9 hours a day in a parking lot with 80-100% exposure. During those times, some of the adhesives have lifted off and I've had to stick them back down. In your heat I'd expect they would practically liquefy.
It is nice on those really hot days to be out of the sun even in a place where you'd normally be fully exposed. With the solar roof in your area, you'd probably get a lot of bang for the buck and great regeneration capability. I take out the floor and roll up the doors in that kind of heat and don't cover it up. I found with my tight cover, while I was keeping the sun directly off the body, that the heat inside the cover was much warmer than with the cover off. I think that's what caused my problems. I didn't ride my PEBL too much in those extreme heat days though since I prefer my road bike when the weather's nice. Also, on those really amazing days, the park is completely full of people and it's tough to get through with the PEBL. On my bike that's a non-issue.
I suppose the best part of a rainy day is, you have the bicycle lanes to yourself.
You could use some windscreen water repellent. I would love one these little trikes.
So sorry about your family hope everything works out right
are you talking about my son with Myocarditis? He's just fine now thanks for asking.
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After 5 years of procrastination I just added a manually operated windshield wiper to my ELF. I fear the scratching on plastic and will keep my windshield waxed and clean. Intermittent manual operation is enough and it saves the weight and power of a motor.
I would have 38 mile ride into town for me living in rural central Alabama lol. I want an pebl I'm going to save up for
I think I’ll stick to my car! This looks really shaky on a public street with cars going by!
Around 6:00 On that long straight way your pedaling like a Mad Monk lol
True. Even the regular cycling videos i watch warn about riding the shoulder on highways. Could be extra dangerous on a PEBL. Unless perhaps you stuck to bike paths & side roads only. Something to ponder. Still, the PEBL definitely looks fun.
Bike Tall the nice thing about it is people avoid you like a car since it has a similar profile
Shoulder riding is not that risky when you are smart about it. 3 people have taken 4000 mile journeys in the similar ELF car-bike without incident. I don't feel stuck at all, car drivers are stuck not being able to use bike paths, trails and lanes. The only responsible sustainable option today is getting rid of your car.
Awesome vehicle!
holy cow!! it looked like the PEBL has a reverse ! is that the case? If so, it's game changer!
Yes of course the PEBL has a reverse and it has to because it has a full floor.
@@EricFischnaller that's so cool. may i ask is it electrical or mechanical? could i go in reverse even if the battery was dead?
@@amphidory7600 no it’s an electric reverse on the motor.
Thank you ,verry Much for shering this video!!
Verry nice reviws ...))
I would LOVE something like this! The only problem is that I live on a hill with a semi-steep gravel driveway.
yeah it's not ideal on a hill-climb. You'd get really strong though! Upgrading your wattage output would probably do the trick - maybe if you got one of the new ones with the switch that goes between 1500 and 750 watts it would be doable.
very nice
Nice bike :)
Do you think the PEBL would be doable on a cross country tour? I was going to do it on an ebike pulling a trailer with a solar panel...but then I saw the PEBL and thought...hmmm 🤔 That looks interesting!
Bike Tall the biggest problem I see is the width of the PEBL on highways. It’s way wider than a typical bike wouldn’t want to ride it on a highway around here like highway 126 up to Bend or to the coast. Many shoulders are 18-24” where the PEBL needs around 40”. Also the solar panel serves more as a top off device taking nearly 8 hrs to charge the 25 mi battery. I guess it depends on how many miles you want to cover in a day
Eric - thanks for this latest video - I've watched them all and I'm getting REALLY close to a decision as to buying one. I noticed one of the comments suggested using RAIN-X on your windshield, which is what I was going to suggest. I don't live too far from you...in the Damascus, OR area southeast of Portland. My remaining question and concern are REALLY steep hills. We live at the top of a mil- long, steep hill and I still wonder if the PEBL would make it up even with peddling and a load of groceries. The BB videos say the hill shouldn't be a problem. Your thoughts?
it has a dc motor i think
Rain-X for glass will ruin a plastic windshield due to the alcohol. I have tried the Rain-X for plastic formula and it is not good, a pure liquid carnauba wax works pretty well with no wipers on my ELF. Pros and cons of PEBL vs. ELF for hill climbing: PEBL weighs 70 pounds more but it has a cheater switch for a power level technically not legal on roadways. ELF weighs 160 pounds, has no cheater for the 750 watt legal limit motor, and is sold with a 40 speed electronic shifting NuVinci mid-drive hub transmission. Long steep grades can over heat any ebike's motor controller. You may have to adjust your gearing to make it up a long hill without over heating.
Thanks....good to know. @@popeyegordon
Very cool! It is a pity that PEBL is still so expensive.
FRANK JAAVA yep it’s quite a lot more than when I bought mine. Not sure I’d take the plunge if prices were where they are now. Still, they’re a lot cheaper than a car if you have a short commute and a lot more fun
Frank, if you can build or have someone build you a "Gordo Car", would you be interested? Check it out th-cam.com/video/LQZp6tdToM0/w-d-xo.html
Great video thanks.
You may want to keep a few clothes pins in that so you can weigh the window film down so you don't have to keep fiddling with it.
that's a good idea. Typically I don't leave it so far closed. Often I'll just have the front 1/3 open and it doesn't want to flap back closed so often. Also, the wind was extreme the other day which was making it happen more than normal too.
Arguably the best update to date! It was really helpful to see the Pebl in action in the rain. Thanks again, Eric. From what it looked like, I think I could get away without the wiper; the visibility even when you weren't engaging the wiper seemed reasonable despite the downpour. I wouldn't mind having the wiper, but an extra $500 for another moving part that has the potential to fail (and jeopardizes the clarity of the windshield in the long run)... I might just go without. On another rain-related note, how easy is it to remove and reapply the heel well? I'm also wondering if it would be possible to leave the sides or the bottom of the zip-up doors open rather than the top so a little less water makes its way in? I'm assuming that would cancel out whatever anti-fogging you are trying to achieve by leaving them open a bit; or is it just the cooling breeze you're going for? Thanks again!
The biggest plus for the wiper really is when it's dark and the rain is light - mist like rain obscures the window really bad, as does heavy fog. These two conditions are a good reason for the wiper if no other reason. The windshield has a thin film like a window tint applied to the exterior. When it gets too scratched up, you can remove the film and reapply new film for a fresh window again!
The heel well is really easy to remove, but I wouldn't be doing it all the time since the more you pull and push on the heel well, the faster it'll fail. It's made of corrugated plastic zip tied together with rubber edges. The interior is lined with the same carpet that's inside the PEBL throughout. Basically it's held in by a bit of friction (front and back lips) and by two screws - one on either side of the wheel wells. Adding and removing requires you to lay inside and unscrew these nuts, then push the heel well from the outside the clear the bolts. You then can remove the velcro on the seat side and the heel-well will drop down and push out the front underneath.
you could leave only the front or back side of the zipper open but really there was not much rain coming in even in the downpour yesterday. I keep the top open since it allows more airflow and since heat rises, keeps the heat out of the cab, reducing fogging and keeping me cooler. The USB fan on my dashboard keeps the hot air from my breath from getting too near the windscreen.
1000 ELF owners have been using no wipers and a treatment of pure liquid carnauba wax every 2 weeks to keep the water beading off. Most of us eschew doors because of the fogging. I would not want them myself, over heating and fogging is not worth the minor amount of wet elbows and wet interior body areas that are bare plastic on the ELF, but there are half door and full door kits that some use. Oregon is half way between cold and hot climate zones so you need to make this decision.
Hello there is it safe to drive in thunderstorms please &does it have a door &is there room for a four wheel walker in it too
Erick vamos produzir aqui no Brasil
Warum "reisst" es die Lenkung so, bei der überwiegend geraden und glatten Straße ?
Eric, What is the cost of a PEBL like yours cost ?
I just priced out my PEBL on better.bike and with all of the options on mine, the total cost before shipping is $10,495. I believe shipping is around $1k. The new bodies are beautiful and the rain gutter on the back and on/off road switch are a great add-on. I felt as though the new PEBLs are a bit lighter too... A new video is coming soon where I discuss some of these things and show the delivery process so watch for that next week.
Hi, is there a floor in yr model? I know Elf is open.
Not good.
Also, was it shipped from China?
xe đó có ở việt Nam la ban nhiều lăm
How fast were you going when you opened it up?
Much more than 22mph!
Y Goldberg not nearly I think maybe 20 max
Mathew Dewolfe
@@EricFischnaller the same thing
Frage : Wie ist die Federung des Pebls ? Vorderradfederung, Lenkungsgeometrie (Vorlauf) ? Da muß etwas falsch konstruiert sein !
Very amazing 😍
Muito bacana este veículo.
what is the cost?
Oh they're like $13k now check out www.better.bike for more info
If I want to basically replace my car with a Pebble, can I get rebates for electric vehicle
No rebates that I’m aware of. Most of those go through the state and since the vehicle doesn’t need licensing.. it’d be like getting a rechargeable flashlight and expecting a rebate.
It looks much bigger on the inside than from the outside. I would have to have those side windows zipped up.
It’s like Hermoine’s tent
Thanks for doing a rain demo. I don't know why the company hasn't done this. My needs are a bit different. I'm 87 and sill drive every day and can still ride a motorcycle (legally).But the day is fast coming when I will mo longer pass the eye test due to double vision at night. My tentative plan is to get a PEPL, put in a weatherproof floorboard, and deactivate the pedals due to my severe heart problems. It will be all electric, which is still legal where I live. Now here's the plan: ... I will carry a self-starting gasoline battery charger constantly hooked to the batteries to keep them charged, which should give me almost unlimited range without pedaling. Being battery powered and with only three wheels it will still be legally a "bicycle," requiring no license or insurance as long as I stay off state highways and on city streets with a 30 mph limit.
PEPL is missing out on a lot of sales to the Disabled by not offering this option.
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Dumb idea. Carrying a gas generator in a bike is absurd. The solar roof option weighs just a couple pounds, can't explode and cremate you. A second battery and solar is a smarter idea. The floor is already sealed. We use state highways and all roads except interstate limited access freeways with a minimum speed limit. You will have to get a special permit because the federal law on these requires they be capable of pedaling. The ELF and PEBL both are marketed to disabled people. It is a significant part of their sales.
How fast top speed km/h
Eric; invest in some RainX for your windows .. on line order Aircraft Spruce and Specialty.. Wicks Aircraft up by you.. or local Airport may have it . Give it a try..
Edward Kie I have some rain X tried it for a while but don’t feel it works that well. Probably because my speed is so low compared to a car.
Rain-x for glass ruins plastic windshields. Carnauba wax is better.
Sadly Organic Transit "ELF" went bankrupt in 2019 & was sold to oil & gas Company "Petro Sun" in 2020 & are no longer in production.
Hello there is it safe to drive in a thunderstorm please &do you need a license to drive it &is it suitable for disabled person
Very suitable. For sure you can drive in thunderstorms. It’s grounded like a car by rubber tires and you’re sitting on a non-conducive sling seat
I wonder if RainX would work for the window?
RainX for glass can damage plastic windows. The Rainx for plastic formula is not very good. Best method is to use pure carnauba wax, the non-cleaning formula.
Hello there has it got a door &is there room for a four wheel walker in it too
Not sure about the 4-wheel walker. Those fold down so probably in the backseat
Hello there my four wheel walker fold up too
Hi, I am from India, very nice to see this video. do they have any idea of marketing this wonderful vehicle in India. it will be an cost effective transport for the people in India.
Every day I see more people like you asking abut getting better transportation designs in India, Philipines and Brazil. You need to make your own, importing is too expensive.
want this in phillipines
No you want the ELF in the Phillipines. This vehicle is too closed in and hot. I use my ELF in hot Florida with no doors, it charges itself with a solar power roof.
Wow i love ith your car
Wow really nice were I purchase in Pakistan
So far there's no distribution outside of the USA. They ARE working on getting them to Europe, but ebike laws are all over the place and it's a tough transition from one country to the other. I would guess Pakistan isn't high on the list, but maybe you can take delivery in a neighboring country once they're sent to Europe? Thanks for watching...
You can try to make a "Gordo Car". Check it out! th-cam.com/video/LQZp6tdToM0/w-d-xo.html
This would be great to have however it still is a bit pricey when maybe pebl should sell the box so people can a put a cheap mountain bike in it. Then again its cheaper then a Tesla. Im in a rural area so i wont sell my rolling coal diesel truck. I would use a pebl bike to get around town
Crowman it’s definitely not for everyone. Lately with my kids being in high school I’m driving all over town picking up and dropping off and they’re too big to ride with me now so it’s less practical for me now than in the past
@@EricFischnaller best wishes to you and i subbed
@@crowman8914 Any mention of "rolling coal" is a reference to extremely ignorant and intentionally harmful behavior. Deeply repulsive, like shooting spotted owls.
Hello, what the top speed on your pebl and the range please ? My speak is verry bad sorry. ☺
prisca Tessier top speed is about 19mph under pedal/electric power on flat ground. Average speed around 15mph
@@EricFischnaller Fine, thankyou Eric.
How does it avoid wind and rain from the bottom (big puddles etc.)
shadowdance4666 with full fender wells, a full sealed floor, and full zip doors the PEBL is pretty rain resistant. I wouldn’t recommend riding in very high winds. It can get a tad scary when one minute you’re in your lane and the next you’re in someone else’s lane...
Eric Fischnaller rear wheel drive?. How about turning radius and insulation from the elements including road noise because it’s so narrow. Flexible panels?
shadowdance4666 yes Rear wheel drive. Turning radius is pretty good can flip a U-ey on my semi narrow street. Motor noise is my biggest issue... it’s loud. So loud I don’t use my USB speaker since any nuance in the music would be missed
I wonder if anybody ever buys these and returns them just because they don’t like it. I need kind of a deal on one but I will use it a lot I really like the idea of leaving my car in the garage for going down to Walmart and going over to grocery outlet the post office all the stuff is within 3 miles of my house even I bet you can take it through the drive-through if you want to taco at Taco Bell
Oh for sure you can use the PEBL for all of that. It's ideal for that kind of use. Returning one would be very costly and I'm not sure it's been done. By the time most people get them they've been waiting for six months or more. I do seem to remember one that had so many problems that someone returned it. He did have to pay for shipping to return it which was like $800 but better that than hating it I guess.
How munch PEBL in India
Last i checked this vehicle was available only for US market however production I believe has moved outside the US at this point so maybe check in with better.bike for more info
Mathew Dewolfe
Where can I of and the elf in Dallas, Texas please let me now thanks
This is the Better.Bike PEBL - not sure where you can get an ELF in TX. I'd suggest reaching out to Organic Transit and seeing if there's an owner close by that can show you theirs. As far as PEBLs go, the same thing would be the plan with these. Just reach out to Better.Bike and ask them where the closest owner is so you can get a test ride.
There are ELF owners in Texas. A few used ones are around, keep searching ebay and craigls list. New ones are sold over the web only.
How do you keep the bike from being stolen?
Kenneth Tarlow I run a unlock through the rear wheel and swing arm plus a cable to attach it to something hard mostly as a deterrent. I also have a gps tracker, and without the key you’d have to pedal it completely it’s very slow, and impossible to go up any reasonable sized hill with no power
Unlock = u-lock
@@EricFischnaller In California we have a lot of bikers. Most of use beat up bikes for commutes because we have tried all the locks, and Frankly they don't work. People drive up with a pickup truck snip the main cable to to the rack or pole lift the bike into the bed of the truck and away they go. The tracker is interesting, but not a deterrent. If you have a ten thousand dollar bike and your going to expose it to long period of time exposed to the public it will get stolen eventually. their must be some kind of insurance!!
Kenneth Tarlow it’s the same here. Bike theft is rampant. The odd thing is that a typical person doesn’t look at the PEBL as a bike. They see some weird car-thing and with the infrequency of seeing these, it doesn’t occur to them to steal it I don’t think. It’s kind of like stealing the Mona Lisa. And the individual parts aren’t really worth the trouble. The hubs and brakes and motor are probably only worth $500 on the black market. The battery might be of value but maybe not... how often do you see thieves going after handmade $10k cars like kit car?
Kenneth Tarlow I like
No good in the uk due to it being a 750w motor unless there is an 250w option
And that’s the problem. A 250w motor on a 50# bike is adequate. The same on a 200# bike is terrible. Lawmakers need to not consider watts but top speed instead. A limit of 17-19 mph would be much better no matter the watts.
How many gears does it have
The pedals have 8 gears. The electric motor is just 1 gear ratio.
Neil Blanchard thx
@@NeilBlanchard I don't know about you, but even though technically I have 8 gears... I really have gear 1, 5, 6, 7, and 8 - so it's a 5-speed. :)
Yes, I typically use just 7 and 8 most of the time, but drop it to 4th or 5th to assist a start. I only use 1-3 when I absolutely need to pedal.
Eric, do you have your crankset on the smallest, or the medium sprocket?
@@EricFischnaller After you and I discussed the advantages of reliable shifting with a 5 speed hub I had one made for My ELF and it is great, all I need in the way of speed ranges and it shifts accurately due to the longer throw for each gear and the single planetary gear in the Sturmey Archer. I think the 5 speed is more suitable for the loads of this heavy bike too.
Sounded like it doesn’t have disk brakes?!
Drum brakes in front and a rear disk brake
Eu nu imi permit asa ceva dar miar place o ador dar nu imi permit 😭😭😭
Hi! what max in km / h?
Dildar Farz about 35kph on electric power with light pedaling on flat ground
Eric Fischnaller thanks!
How much are they
$12 K without the solar roof option.
you have a garage, in the city you can't leave it on the street or it would get stolen,
and when at work where do you put it ? you say you don't have to leave your things at the office ? do you leave them on the street with the the device ?
so you need a place to park it or else it get stolen, especially how nice it is, every thief in town will want to have one for themselves.
VeryStableGenius when at work it’s parked right in front of the office chained to a natural gas pipe where I can see it. It’s also under a cover. I take my personal belongings out. It also has a gps tracker.
I am sure something like this could be mass produced in China for 10x less cost.
Hay my name is Amit Saha.Please help me to make this bike in lndia
It is very nise and pollution free bike
Iam from India , State Chhisghar
Help yourself by contacting your government commerce officials.
You can make a "Gordo Car" if you want. Check it out. th-cam.com/video/LQZp6tdToM0/w-d-xo.html
I purchase your car how much price
They're only available in the US at this time. A few Canadians have picked them up and brought them north. They're available from better.bike (that's the website) and I believe they start at $9k - as mine's equipped it'll be about $10,500 prior to shipping
Eric Fischnaller send me your what's app number
@@noorsheikh9683 I don't understand "what's app number", please rephrase and I'll try to answer your question
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11:04 You like to ride accompanied by a cloth draped over the seat for companionship? ;) :P Yeah, I know, I know --- it's a tacky joke, but you'll admit that you were just "asking for it" in the way you worded this caption... as Jeff Dunham's "Peanut" puppet said, "How could I pass that up? You threw a slow ball down the middle of the plate. I HAD to swing!" :P Perhaps you meant to write, "After each ride, I wipe off the dirt and debris with a cloth". :D
Задолбали ваши покатушки что то инженерное можете показать или они у вас тоже перевелись как в россии
haha paying 12000$ for a fucking bike
Ha Ha Ha paying $50,000 every ten years to own a car