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I love the fact you are trying Linux from a new user perspective and not "cheating" by using your connections.
It's bold because so many people are going to flame Linus, but I appreciate it as I can see what a new user runs into.
Flame which Linus though? :P
OMG it's Chris!
@@Mkoivuka Linus Pauling
you showed up!
Hey Chris you really ought to put out a video calming the situation down. Very few please in the community can ask a bunch of egotistic nerd to be nicer without talking down to them and calling them savages. Else the pitchforks and tin-foil hats are coming VERY soon.
Been using linux for 18 years, I've seen some shit. xD Trust me, there is no end to the weirdness that can happen! But I will say that the community is usually there to help....if not you can always bait them with "linux sucks, it can't do _______" and they will swarm with solutions. :P
Literally the opposite of my decade-plus experience troubleshooting Linux. Every issue was responded to with, "Works fine for me!"
Well i just went on walk came back to my linux mint PC after waking it up it crashed with artefacts like it usually do and them before properly booting i got... "blue screen" ... on linux.
I mean that was jsut literally screen filled with blue but it's still hilarious for me i could get on linux something that i can describe as blue screen.
@Watcher Weird that you assumed I didn't. Why would you do that?
@Watcher Your experience is not everyone's experience. Is that a concept you've struggled with before?
@@MyNameIsBucket if you say "I can't get X to work" you'll get that response, but if you tell them it sucks because it can't do X thent heyll come to you with solutions
"Would you like to use Kate?"
*It was at this moment that the community knew that Linus was using KDE Plasma*
Yep, and from Luke's description I would point out to Gnome
Yes, and before that I thought the opposite
I use kwrite. I do not use KDE though.
yea man 🤣
you could have sussed it out earlier from his description of the 'show desktop' behavior ;)
As long as "open the terminal" is the linux community's default to solving everyday problems, linux isn't going to be widely adopted, and that's assuming you're able to find the right choice commands that work with your installation
For most things you can do it without the terminal, but it can be much simpler for debugging and people who have experience to use the terminal.
I actually disagree. It's not "user friendly", sure, but imagine if we had a way to fix issues with "here, run this command" and then it would be just solved. It would be way better than the current "open this configuration panel that's different depending on the OS version you're using and which language your OS is, then find this option..."
Now, the other problem is that we **don't have** this "here, run this command that will solve everything", so that's part of the problem. This, and also the current state of drivers (that even on 2023 is still HORRIBLE) and the desktop environment that still have lots of bugs that people mostly ignore... yeah, we still have a long way to go...
@@MauricioSzabo At least in my experience most of the configuration panels in windows have had very few changes. I have to remote in to a lot of our client's servers at my jobs, and we have quite a few people still using windows xp, and I haven't noticed any substantial changes, at least for what I have to do. Additionally, while Microsoft's backwards compatibility has a lot of cons, it also means there are forum posts from the last 20 years+ that are still helpful.
Maybe that's the biggest difference; window's stagnation has led to a lot of people encountering the same problems over and over again, asking for help and getting response over the last few decades, meaning there is just better de facto documentation out there for it. So if I have a problem, I can solve it today, rather than spend hours searching for a solution to a problem, being unable to find one, having to post something on a forum, then likely have to wait for a few days, and hope to god the people who respond aren't a bunch of gate keeping assholes (have had that happen on multiple occasions as well).
So perhaps the actual solution is just to have really freaking detailed and good documentation, which is not written with the expectation that the person reading is a peer of the developer...yeah, I doubt that will happen either.
@@jacob_90s Yes, I agree with all of these too :). Arch and Gentoo's documentation are MASSIVE and help a lot, but they are nowhere "user friendly" as they could be, unfortunately. Which is really frustrating, because my wife is been using Linux for about 9 years now (since we married) and she NEVER had any problem - in fact, she can't use Windows that well anymore because, on her own words, "everything is so slow and there are so many popups asking me to do things, and things are not obvious", etc.
That, basically, means: Linux is not _that user unfriendly_ as it was some years ago, but it could be _so much better_ honestly...
@@MauricioSzabo has no problems after "9 years" , their videos are for the new adopters who has been using the other OS
It's okay to run into issues, we're just proud of you for putting in the effort Linus.
Especially so in the case of Linus. I am genuinely curious to see how his outlandish setup survived this transition, because that kind of setup is actually something me and the GF has been thinking about doing, to free up space on our home office desks.
+1
I agree here. My first experience was HORRIBLE but I'm now playing all my games, using recording software, editing, etc. I guess just pulling through and learning helps
yeah especially in a high intense working enviroment i want to use a os that will freak me out bc on how much "care" linux needs. you can just slap everything on windows and it will just run. espacially popular proprietary software...
dont get me wrong, i really want linux to take off so i can switch as fast as possible from the shithole windows to linux. but right now its switching is far from reality to switch. i also kinda use linux everyday since my personal data is stored in a composed nextcloud docker container on a raspberry pi running ubuntu. and i already tried several times ditching windows but in the end i always came back to windows grimmingly bc of the above mentioned reasons.
@@cruzer0561 I can why Linux might not be the greatest solution, and it is definitely not for everyone but I think it does have it's place. I think with the right amount of attention to it, people will start making software for Linux / better updated software for Linux. Although Linux might not shine as a desktop and rules as a server OS, I feel there is potential. I don't use my computer in a work environment, nor do I really have work applications so for my needs, gaming and video recording, I have no issues. Maybe at first, but as of right now, it's all sorted out. Like I said, it's not for everyone, and I get that but at least for some of us, it's okay because we don't need Linux to run production applications like AutoCAD or Premiere.
About the weird names, KDE apps have this sort of "running joke" that a K must be present on the name: kdenlive, kate, kwrite, konsole, akonadi, kalzium, akregator...
Don't forget Krita!
Kdolphin?
Kboomer
Kool
It does make it easier to tell what's a KDE-native app though. :-) And Kate, to this day, is my favorite source code editor.
Linux is definitely one of those things that sometimes just works for some people out of the box and is a mess for others. I've had both experiences over the years, but thankfully with driver and software support improving I've finally been able to use it as my daily driver.
I feel like you'll judge me for saying it but so is Windows...I've had multiple computers with so many issues with Windows that just aren't there with Linux or with MacOS...
That happens with most software tho, I've met a lot of smaller issues with games/smaller apps that had 0 answers over 5-6 years, but yes, it looks a lot worse when you get those with your OS (be it win or linux)
Personally I am having a much better experience overall with Linux than I had on years using windows. Windows would very often refuse, for instance, to copy or delete files and it drove me mad everytime. I also had many other minor issues that built up. Pop_OS for me just works!
@@NoOne-sc3fz i never had an issue with windows until my current laptop, it had constant bluescreens, then 6 months after i bought it msi fixed their shit drivers and now its back to my expected smooth desktop experience of never having an issue or needing to restart except once every couple of months or so for required restarts.
@@williamcameron1831 What? That is crazy.
I'm glad that they at least fixed their drivers.
Asus just abandoned me, lol!
How to start a heated argument 101
Step 1. Ask which distro or desktop environment is the best.
Step 2. Observe.
UBUNTU!!!!!!!!!!! jk lol
The reason why Linux has so many distros, so many DE, and so many different ways to do the same task is because no one in the Linux world can agree on what the best way to do anything is... From init systems, to mp3 encoders, everyone has a different way they want to do it.
Which is why it's such a headache for people new to Linux. Nothing is straightforward or simple. Its not friendly to newcomers
People pick Windows because it's popular, if you're coming from Windows it makes no sense not to do the same thing for Linux. If you pick Ubuntu you have a reasonable chance of being able to find answers to your problems. It's silly to pick some obscure distro unless you have a very specific need.
@@ssl3546 People pick windows because it functions without almost any extra knowledge required. I've used Ubuntu before, it is very user-friendly... *for a Linux distro* . I've also used Mint, one quite famous for being user friendly... and it still doesn't approach Windows level.
I *hate* windows, but plugging your ears and going "la la la" to the fact that tons of things in Linux at a *base level* are harder and continuing to blame users rather than work on improving it is moronic.
@@ssl3546 I hated Linux for years because of Ubuntu. I tried Arch with KDE this year and I loved it.
yes they can't agree, even down to trivially fixable, obvious problems being open on bugtrackers for upwards of a decade with 20 pages of argument about why some guy thinks the obvious thing is objectively bad and illogical.
I'm genuinely hopeful that any exposure Linus pushes on using Linux as a mainstream power user with other operating systems increases the quality of the user experience
Yeah, Linux users in general are too comfortable using bash for everything to be able to make sure it's a good experience without it. It's good that it's an option for power users and advanced tasks, but in general shouldn't be the go to solution for everything and it often is.
This! I use Linux for work (Kali and debian) and would appreciate if there would be a push on increasing the usability for the standard user. Because at the moment it isn't.
God yes please. I want to like Linux, I really do, but from a new user standpoint with very little help it feel like any basic thing I try to do on it requires me to remember 5 different things about it and troubleshoot it for 15 minutes. I'm having to use Ubuntu for a college course and it's infuriating that all my coursework for that class takes twice as long just because I'm also having to troubleshoot Linux while troubleshooting my programs.
If Linux gets too mainstream it’s going to be ruined. It’s okay to be niche
Naw, it's already mainstream for servers, and its already kinda shit (36 million sloc).
If it went mainstream, it would be just about the same.
Alpine would still exist.
Maybe Linus would bloat up the kernel even more, but the Linux community is so decentralized I think that will really be it.
small tip with the steam popups, you can click them to clear them (though it will bring up steam)
Oh hi mark
Making these mistakes going into Linux blind is super valuable to the community so they can learn with you. I'm no Linux expert and I'm still learning a lot watching your videos.
They're incapable of learning. The 'community' sucks. No one needs desktop Linux.
@@denizenofclownworld48530 like bait to a year old comment.
I hope the community is being nice and welcoming. You seem like a nice guy who's sincere about this. You deserve to be treated well and be welcomed. Don't listen to people who have weird ideas about hidden motivations and stuff. Keep on keepin' on.
I'm sure they will be nice, as in there will be only a couple of death threats, tops
@@frapuz lmao probably arch users with god complex
@Horamberg Similar attitudes exist in other technical communities like the software development community. You can look at stack overflow for a good example of passive aggressive behaviour that we really could do without, I guess the best we can do is set an example and hopefully others will follow.
@@WilderPoo especially software developers don't like offering help when you've clearly not done your due diligence. While this may come off toxic sometimes, it's the only way to avoid having your time constantly wasted, because people _will_ try to offload their work to you question by question.
@@parker7721 as a former maintainer of an open source project, we have actually always paid extra attention to our Linux users because their feedback is usually very on point and they are easily guided through the steps to help us retrieve more information about their issue and resolve it. The one exception is Arch users, the most polite thing I can say to them is usually "would you kindly mind sodding right off?" Never did say it though.
The literal worst are Mac users though, for how small their number is, the number of demands that we resolve issues that are unfortunately outside our control is kind of off the charts.
I 100% believe it when he says that people are going to dislike his take either way, one of the primary reason for it is that there's so much choice that your experience is just not going to match with someone else's unless you deliberately were forced to try the same things.
Even in this video, Linus mentions that he has to restart often - which I felt really weird since I don't recall ever seeing a message to restart ever - despite being a long time user who's dealt with many distros. Luke then chips in that his experience is very different, which is totally what I mean. However, while it does gives you a good start point .... for an experienced user, it doesn't matter what distro you use, you can customize it the way you like it anyway.
So I think Linus maybe using KDE Plasma. I now with a certain version of Plasma the devs made it default to reboot to fully install updates. Later that turned that "feature" off because so many users disliked it.
This was baffling to me. I use Gentoo, and pretty much have since I discovered Linux. (Aside from a couple brief trial installs of Red Hat and Mandrake back in the day...) I've had computers that I used as a desktop daily driver that I rebooted once every year and a half or so. Usually because of a power outage, or because I needed to change some kernel driver, or update the kernel itself.
I've actually used my desktop environment (I'm a KDE guy) _while compiling its replacement in-situ,_ and only logged out and logged back in when I had updated the core libraries so much that new applications wouldn't launch anymore. I didn't actually reboot, I just restarted X.
Yeah, but the restarts don't take 5 minutes like windows lol
@@Maledis87 I am not sure about 5 minutes but if the option is selected you must reboot then the software installs. After the software installs it reboots again. The process can be lengthy if you have lots of updates. I simply turn the setting off.
@@Maledis87 My Ubuntu 20 definitely takes longer to restart than my Windows 10. And I need to restart Ubuntu more often
The reason why I dont use linux, as nice as some of the features are, is that the fun part of using a computer is-- get this, *_not_* the options menu.
Unacceptable
Linux communities seems to be populated by tinkerers, people used to dissecting stuff and fixing it, so when you ask a linux community for help with an issue, they will typically ask you back for what you're trying to achieve and what your log files say and stuff like that in order to guide you in the right direction - which is awesome if you're the tinkering kind of guy that likes to take stuff apart and fix it.
However if you're not the tinkering type and just want a quick fix for whatever is bugging you, all the questioning can be annoying. There are a lot of "Shut up with all the questions and just tell me what to do!!!" in the help sections of linux forums, people being angry about being helped in a different way that they are used to.
My favorite part was Luke struggling to guess what Linus wanted when searching for Explorer.
I am interested what a poll on that would actually result in. My best guess would have been Internet Explorer too.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece *This Linus is known as a Windows savvy guy. He already knew that IE is a thing of the past. So he just pulled a cheap stunt.* Personally I was 100% sure from the very 1st second he was referring to the file manager. Over the years as an IT admin I've got my own bunch of co-workers and whatnot unaware that the file manager is simply named Explorer. And each time I was talking about Explorer only to find out they were thinking I was talking about IE ... blew my mind. Also, believe it or not, it was not surprising at all to me when people started searching for Explorer in Windows 10 only to get "hinted" about the stupid Edge browser. Because that's the way Microsoft "handled" many, many, many "hostile software takeovers" throughout their history.
@@fgregerfeaxcwfeffece That is interesting. My first guess would have been file explorer.
Probably Luke expected Linus to open file explorer by using the keyboard shortcut
I just tried it and file Explorer was the first item.
I’m fairly technically minded and somewhat comfy with Linux command line and I can totally see how people would want to throw their computers in frustration when using Linux daily. There are just some things in Linux that are just not up to par yet. However there are also gotchas when using Windows and MacOS - it’s just that people have gotten used to those foibles and just accept them IMO.
Widows has a bunch of problems but people are already used to fixing them. No one wants the pain of learning something new :/. I'm not the most advanced user ever, however if you can read English you can understand the terminal it's not difficult for day to day use like installing stuff
I use Linux at work and Windows at home. I started out on Windows, and I will honestly say that Windows has been much more frustrating than Linux for the past handful of years. My point is, Linux stops being frustrating once you get it. Windows does not.
@ absolutely accurate
@ Totally agree. I run both side by side, and have used Linux for many years now, and I find that even though I would consider myself an advanced user of both Windows, and Linux, I find myself being irritated with Windows WAYYY more often.
Wasn't always that way, in the beginning everything with Linux seemed like it took a ridiculous amount of time compared to Windows or MacOS. Now knowing it well, I can't imagine doing most tasks in any other OS with the same ease and speed.
And what are those things about Linux that are not up to par?
Windows + E is a life savior when you need to open the file explorer on a regular basis.
Windows managers exists
Super key + e to open file manager is the best shortcut ever
Although you can do that in linux too
My keyboard doesn't have a super key :(
I tried that and it opens Dolphin on my Linux PC. Very neat Windows shortcut.
🙏
This Linux series has the same level of excitement as the “whole room water cooling” I’m beyond pumped!! I really want a gamer/everyday user view bc command line bull crap made me bail last time
To me the command line is the opposite. You call it bullcrap and I see where you are coming from. But I understood how powerful it is when I used it to wipe edge and cortana off of my windows install with powershell.
When I then understood that Linux is all about the command line and that 99% of the time any user interface like a GUI has any button that does anything it usually only does the console commands for you. In a sense, instead of having a thousand different programs, you can do practically everything from the command line alone. It's the one tool you really need, but it is an incredibly hard switch if you're used to messing with GUIs only
@@eccomi21 All of that is cool but more effort than just clicking shit
@@aniquinstark4347 depends. from a command line you can do practically everything in one place and once you know your way around it, its just as fast if not faster than a GUI (depending on the task)
In windows for example if we choose the clicking route to update the system starting on the desktop you have to go to click windows > settings > Update and security > check for updates > Download
In arch linux all i need to do is open the command line usually with a key combo and type "sudo pacman -Syu" then press enter when it asks you if you want to install a listed package. if you have yay installed just typing "yay" is enough. its a matter of seconds. i would argue the command line is way more effort to learn, less effort to use. that does not make it inherently superior from a user experience standpoint, but from a usability one
Linux *definitely* has a gate-keeping problem and a holier-than-thou attitude problem with _some_ of the distros. And " _some_ " is key, it differs by distro, you'll get a lot more of it in Arch communities (although Arch Wiki FTW) than say a POP! OS Community. While I implore you to call attention to the toxicity that can plague some of the communities, I beg that you don't paint them all with a broad brush.
possibly the most toxic subset of users i've encountered are dwm devs and users (though the venn diagram is almost a circle ;p). a perfect example of how it's good to have a product geared toward hardcore users, but that it doesn't excuse the gatekeeping less experienced people
Some of the people on TH-cam that popped into my recommended page when I just started out were super fuckin toxic and made me not wanna use Linux, I'm talking mfs who said shit like "Linux elitists are discriminated against" with a straight face
@@ashlyy1341 they are toxic by design, have you read the suckless page? iirc, having to configure dwm by editing the C source code keeps the user base "small and elitist" as a selling point. It's actually ridiculous and I'm not even mad lol.
Some are a pain. I'm switching from Windows to ElementaryOS soon, but I keep getting told by hardcore users that unless I use the command line for everything "I shouldn't be using Linux". Btw, it still has a terminal...just isn't a necessity.
I use ubuntu ussr both side want me to use their os I am fine with ubuntu plus pop os is a pain but manjaro fine still needs to be use to it.
I honestly read the title the first as: "Linus learns about the Linus community"
I thought, does he not already who his viewers are?
Based on my 6 years of being a linux user I confirm the linux community is full of zealots, especially Ubuntu community.
Why won't you confirm, then, that there's no real reason for 90% of people who switch to Linux to switch to Linux?
@@denizenofclownworld4853 because that's not correct? mate if we want to switch we obviously have a reason
@@saphirakai6396 Because you want to be a lolbertarian and a unique snowflake.
@@saphirakai6396 "because that's not correct?"
Are you asking me a question or is that to show a lack of confidence in your conviction? Maybe you just have bad grammar. lol
@@saphirakai6396 most of these people just want to be edgy... like screw off, its the worse OS by almost every standard, you just cant justify it anymore
I love Linux, doesn't mean it isn't a pain in the ass when you start using it. Even starting again after a large break.
i actually kind of like it when i run into problems on linux. the entire reason i got linux was for the freedom and privacy it has over windows, and the best way for me to truly see the extent of its freedom is for me to run into problems. when i have a problem, it usually means there's something i still haven't learned about my computer, and the problem lets me learn about it and even why its important, so i can then go on to potentially use what i learned elsewhere. on windows, many of these problems would be taken care of silently and without me even knowing whats going on, so its really nice using linux and learning so much more about how my computer actually works. if everything on linux had worked out of the box for me, i think i would've still been stuck more in a "windows mindset" of just sticking to whatever the default settings are, rather than actually going in and really trying to see how things work
everything is a pain in the ass when you start doing it, especially if you don't enjoy the process of learning.
@@realGBx64 You can enjoy learning, and yet the process can occasionally not be enjoyable.
What linus says about there being too many ways to do things, is actually a common complaint among linux, even linus(linux linus) himself says there are too many ways to do things, especially when it comes to package managers.
Yeah, There are too many desktop enviroments and package managers that rely on different things. I mean choice is good, but for developers, especially GUI, it's a very big hassle.
For some reason calling him Linux Linus tickles my brain.
Agreed. This is why I’ve become more interested in other Unix-like operating systems. Linux: make 6 tools to do a job kinda well, and use 2-3 to finish it. Unix: create a tool to do a single job really well
@@classicrockonly rip plan 9
I cannot disagree more. One of the best things in Linux is the abundance of choice. You want a uniform way of doing something the same way across different distros? Command line is here to help you out. Don't want to always type long commands? Fish shell or zsh with autoprediction is your friend. People have different preferences regarding UI which is very well accommodated this way.
Toxic gatekeeping is probably my number one complaint with the Linux community. It’s not everyone but they’re vocal enough that it’s off putting. Everyone switching to Linux based OSes are gonna eventually run into problems.I worked through mine when I switched and now that I have that knowledge I find myself groaning at Windows more often than my OpenSUSE install, but the struggle was real at first. Nobody should fault you for saying “you know what, I’m happier on Windows, it’s a better fit for me” because a personal computer should be driven by your personal choice.
True. it turned me off back in the day. I lean more toward FreeBSD now because of the educational slant. but it is not easy for someone new to get started unless they are REALLY persistent.
I guess that him being famous will attract more toxic people than I did. But I have not had found a level of toxicity that justifies the memes.
OpenSUS
@@GradyBroyles Thanks, it's a quite a infuriating meme that others put on the Linux community.
But when Mac and Windows users behaves the same way they don't get a bad rep.
@@GradyBroyles I remember being frustrated so many times trying to learn & the answer you get is RTFM. But for those where reading is problematic, that didn't help; But that was back in the day. Today we have all kinds of Videos out there to help but the confusion of it all sometimes. Like Linus said one or two ways to do stuff is cool for a beginner, but like 20? It gets rough for the beginner.
I think you're doing a great job making the Linux as daily driver video series. It's bringing attention to Linux, which we could really use.
lol @ we.
There's the problem.
I’m really excited about this series. I’ve toyed with Linux on/off for years now. I’d like to see their experiences with this from a fresh user. But I’d like to see a follow up where they get help from Chris Titus, Wendell, or even System76 themselves and seeing what I could be
Linux: "I find X annoying"
Me: *resisting the urge to type type a whole vox article on how to change X's behavior*
X11. ;-;
KDE
@@_g3nss “KDE” automatically translated to “WHERE” lol
Or just "switch to Wayland"
It should have most of those behaviors preselected to what people use or like the most
The Linux community will likely be very nice about correcting your mistakes and cataloging them for feature noobs.
Every community has toxic people and though I rarely encounter them myself, there are some socially maladjusted people in the Linux community who will definitely cause a hassle.
/naive
I switched to Linux about a week ago (thanks for not letting me reinstall windows on a drive that already had windows on it, Microsoft) and the problems and obstacles i encountered are shockingly similar to what these two are talking about. There is no end to the fun. I spent seven hours trying to get a off brand WiFi dongle to work only to find a dude who took time to make drivers for these shitty thing, and 5 days later proceeded to brick something after installing a graphics driver and letting the NVIDIA installer modify a file for me and had to reinstall and spend two more hours trying to find those dongle drivers and book mark them this time. But despite all this and more, i take solace in the fact that i can actually goddamn fix this shit myself without having to cut off an arm and leg to do it.
NVidia has closed source drivers which are a notorious pain point in the Linux community, and NVidia has made it fairly clear they don't give a fuck about Linux users. I'd recommend using AMD Ryzen graphics cards if you can. They are fairly well supported by the community and AMD themselves.
@@zwhitchcox I think I heard something recently about Nvidia making some parts of their drivers open source, just not all of it. Which doesn't fucking matter when you're like me and you have a GTX 670 setting in your computer since the open source bits only work on newer cards anyways. But yeah the Nvidia drivers for Linux are fucking terrible.
Remember Distro Gatekeepers, not everyone wants to use the terminal for everything.
And that's okay. It's okay to be wrong. --Tantacrul.
Using the terminal is quite often the faster, easier, better way to accomplish something. And Steve Jobs managed to brainwash three generations into not being able to believe that.
@@thegardenofeatin5965 Thanks for proving my point, gatekeeper. Ya'll REALLY think ya'll superior cuz you type letters instead of clicking buttons LMAO. What a big COPE.
@@thegardenofeatin5965 I wouldn't want to do any sort of creative work in a terminal, even writing since there is no formatting.
"My ignorance is your gatekeeping!" Keep huffing that copium my dude.
@@theoriginaldylangreene Wow, you got mad just because someone said the truth?
I know how to use a terminal and I know that it's the easiest thing ever. I can update all my apps and drivers with just a few lines , the terminal is truly useful.
The truth is, you sweaty nerds aren't the majority. The majority of users don't use terminals and just want to watch youtube the way that they're used to, clicking stuff.
The reason I said this comment is that I love linux and I want people who are interested in it to not be scared.
With you sweaty NEETS at the frontline, Linux will never be widespread. That's the truth. Gatekeeping does.not.work.
As a full time Linux user, I actually agree. I have had some bad experiences, persisted, and figured it out. Keep it up Linus!
"we did some stuff and you need to reboot" is a choice your distribution made. you dont need to reboot ever. even kernel upgrades can be done on the fly if you're determined enough.
I know, I’m pretty confused. I never have to restart. Glad Luke can attest to this.
Maybe the wording is misleading. It should notify you that there was an update and it will take effect after a reboot. It shouldn't make you feel like you have to reboot right now.
I remember doing this while I was experimenting in LXLE, I could do incredible waves of updates and changes on the fly and never ever restart.
I've only ever seen that in server distributions, though.
@@_invencible_ This is probably it. My arch boxes never even hint at a "hey, reboot plz", but my kubernetes cluster runs on Ubuntu and whenever I update the hosts in an SSH session I get a nice big fat red screen screaming at me that "OMG WE UPDATED THE KERNEL YOU SHOULD MAYBE REBOOT NOOOOOW!" etcetera.
I mean, yes, when I update those I _am_ going to reboot them. Calm down... XD
I have been using Linux as my daily driver since the late 90s and regularly use Windows, MacOS, iOS, and Android. I am constantly amazed how each of them pisses me off in different ways, even after all these years. Anyway, as a mid 40s guy who also has a talent for cutting himself on every possible sharp edge, I wish you luck. I am sure it has been pointed out to you already, but if it hasn’t, the Destination Linux Network people are awesome. Good video/podcasts, helpful and entertaining Discord channels, and generally very friendly and understanding people. As for disclosure, I have nothing to do with them apart from being an occasional member of that community.
Yeah i hate this whole shitstorm, because all fucking os are horrible, what i hate about the whole situation is that what happened to linus can happen to everione in any os,
I'm actually really looking forward to these reviews, hopefully it'll get to the right developers in the community and they take action to further prioritize ease of use
the developers are more likely going to laugh at this pompous ass for pretending he's a new user...
8:23 ... In KDE Plasma all you need to do is right click that button, then "Show Alternatives" and select "Minimise all Windows", because by default it just "Shows Desktop"
or you can just remove the icon from the panel altogether and just use the keyboard shortcut.
I've had this issue for a while but it was one of those problems I couldn't be bothered to articulate into a search engine. Thanks!
...Or you can just edit the button's behavior.
There's always a way to customize this little things in KDE one way or another.
@@jonnygotagun trufax
Kate = KDE Advanced Text Editor, it's first grade Spongebob! (Yeah, I had to Google what it stood for. KDE apps have odd names, like Dolphin!)
Gedit is better named . Nautilus no so much.
can't wait for someone to go "what's nano? tf is vim and vi? HOW DO I QUIT VIM PLEASE HELP"
@@18earendil Gedit better than Kate? I don't second that.
There is no better file manager than Dolphin, on any OS.
Gedit is being replaced with gnome text editor anyhow. It’s a quite nice replacement I find.
@@larsradtke4097 I've never said that. I said it had a better name.
I'm really glad Linus is self aware and is pushing through it anyway.
I switched to Linux and... it has been quite a challenge on things that really shouldn't be. It is always a "distro problem" but the pros always go to t he community as a whole, it is like it can do no wrong
Keep going on Linux. I believe that you are inspiring many others to try Linux too. I guess it's very good.
From what i experienced over the past few days of using linux the distro community has been very nice and helpful. When i asked a question or even looked stuff up(this part is specifically for garuda) people were genuinely helpful and even on the forum there was a section for newbies so that people knew when to dumb down the stuff they were saying. I also saw a lot of comments on those posts asking how is the distro and genuinly being nice
Thanks, sadly the toxic community label has been given to the Linux community by Windows and Mac users.
Sure we have toxic users in our community still but would say percentage wise it's no better or worse than any other OS.
@@Zandman26 Naah, Linux community used to be realllllllllly toxic before they started being called out by everyone
Things have changed lately
@@RamkrishanYT I've never been a forum dweller, usually only go to the wiki.
But during the 10 years I've used Linux I've never had issues with the community.
But I think it might have been some more rough edges in the community back when I started.
@@Zandman26 depends in my experience. In most Debian based distros ppl are reasonably helpful, but any arch based districts is just “ew normie? Reeeee computers aren’t for you!!!!1!!1!1”
@@alfiegordon9013 It's probably a person to to person thing.
I'm very involved in the process of making the Linux community a helpful environment, but I'm also a Arch user.
However as I said, i've never been a big forum person.
So when I run into issues I always go to the wiki first, then possibly a search that might take me to a forum.
I think part of the issue is that people approach Linux with a somewhat closed mind. In particular confusing familiarity with ease of use. A good example here is when Linus mentions that he never quite noticed those issues since he is used to them and will breeze through them. Good podcast still.
More prominent is the myopia of some as regards Linux users. People are people.
Until the terminal goes by the way side in terms of fixing issues instead of writing a GUI for everything, it will NEVER be mass adopted. Most people don't even know what file systems are, let alone using the terminal to solve problems. I love Linux to death, but non tech people will never understand the terminal and therefore that strikes against it's ease of use. Ease of use allows for mass adoption and ease of use basically means developing the system to be idiot proof. Most snobby Linux developers refuse to do this which is why it will never be mass adopted until they do.
@@adamrush8360 @Adam Rush App Compability is the biggest issue for me. OS should work for everything you want to do in your pc. In Windows it's guaranteed to work and supported, on Linux you have to do detective work and asking forums. I just don't bother yet to do those in my personal OS
@@adamrush8360 no ease of use is how simple using it is but its bad when it goes against advanced users linux is simple and easy enough to use for 90% of people but complex enough for advanced users to love it
@@yudhok eh not really an issue the only time app compatibility is ever a problem is games or adobe and incredibly specific things for work
You are bringing huge focus to Linux, which is really really great 👍😊.
This will be helpful in improving usability for regular users.
I cannot wait to see the final vod
"what's your best experience about Linux?"
Linus: talks 15 minutes about stuff that annoys him
Lol
I get his ultimate point about gatekeeping, but he gives them the ammo lol
@@proctoscopefilms agreed.
@@proctoscopefilms Just because you have ammo does not mean you need to actually use it. You have choices
@@lilkittygirl I think most reasonable people would agree with that
He is actually right with all that.
Linux runs fine when it does and these days it is easy.
But damn! Linux users in message boards - a system designed for helping people - are a toxic nightmare.
I just want to say: Thank you for doing this. I'm not sure if I will give Linux another go. But I think it is really valuable if one person feels inspired to do so because of this.
Linus must have a crystal ball, because wow were all of his predictions about the community's reaction spot on. Right down to some of the specific accusations they'd make. And this is almost 2 months ago.
It's almost like he did his research ;p
Love your Linux series. Waiting for your linux video!
honestly ive had that experience where people think im fabricating my problems with windows, and i dont deny that exists in linux community as well, and every time someone told me "idk it works fine for me, idk what youre doing with your pc to have these problems" made me hate windows more until i switched to linux. please remember that this will also be the case for linus if people go "you did x wrong" right away just cause they didnt experience the same issue. i personally had no problems installing my first distro, but ive seen some pretty nasty things when people just tried to partition their drive to dualboot cause windows had an iron grip on the whole drive and would refuse to change anything. meanwhile for windows ive spent 3 days trying to figure out why cant i install windows, i had to open my laptop and unplug my hdd first so it can install on my ssd... stuff like that
Your SSD / HDD issue seems to be more a thing your BIOS might be doing, a full Windows install asks you what drive you want to use, just like almost any other OS install
totally relatable. my friends kinda make fun of me for using linux but honestly i have so many problems with windows. like every time there's an update (which of course are not optional*) my pc won't boot. it crashes and has to restart a bunch of times until windows decides to "fix" the issue by, i guess, rolling back those updates. also that thing with having to unplug the hdd sucks so hard. you can only install windows on the drive that's physically connected to the first sata port on the motherboard, like wtf. so if you plug your hdd to port 0 and the ssd to port 1 you have to unplug the hdd.
*i know you can disable them through the registry editor but i'm lazy
Honestly? Me too, inverse.
I use Firefox and barely see the problems people seems to have with it.
@@YOEL_44 No there actually is a "problem".
Let's say you have 1 HDD and a new ssd, also you have both plugged to you PC. If you try to install windows on your ssd, Windows will use the bootloader of the HDD and install the rest on the SDD. So, when you boot, you have to boot the HDD to then access the SSD.
Solution? Unplug the HDD during installation or wipe or HDD (these are some that I know of).
@@tablettablete186 windows installer should give the option to install the bootloader on another device rather than the first found device , its kinda dumb
in my experience (I am running debian), the only thing you have to restart the computer, are kernel updates.
and even then it is like, "so if you want to use the new kernel you just installed, you would have to restart, and it will boot the new instead of the old kernel. But if you don't want to, you could also just not shut down your computer"
True, however it's easier to tell users to reboot the computer than to reload the DE or WM, or run a command on the cli to make use of the newly updated parts...
it's just better practice to just make users get on the latest security patches as quickly as possible, but yes fellow vanilla debian user I never reboot either 🤣
@@Shadepariah I technically reboot daily since I don't let my pc running at night, but back in the days when I was running windows it was pretty annoying when it just did random stuff it could also just have done in the background when I wanted to shut down my pc
I havent had many issues with the need to reboot.
Both pop and Manjaro have handled the situation very well.
The only time ive needed to rebooted was purging nvidia or a kernel update.
My biggest issue with Pop was that Pulse would just stop working completely or would get static and i would have to just restart the daemon
Yeah I kinda wish Linus would’ve started with Debian or Ubuntu-I see those as a lot more beginner friendly (especially their communities). Personally I use Debian for my dev vm and I love it
One thing that I'm hoping for is that, with this influx of new users, I'm hoping that a more people make GUI applications so that those new folks aren't stuck using the terminal for so much. There's so much crap that *doesn't* have a GUI that very easily could.
What is wrong with using a terminal? Most consider moving from cave wall paintings to written text an intellectual advancement for the species at large.
if they doesn't like GUI they should stay to windows :))) i prefer the terminal way of doing things, don't get me wrong, i m not that saying that it will not gonna be a good idea to make more GUI apps. I m just saying that linux doesn't need to copy windows in order to please the new users, i m saying that linux should have its own way of doing things, not just ,,a copy of windows" or ,,an operating system for poor people/A windows version for poor people" i think linux should remain as it is - i mean perfect (for me) and if the new users if they doesn't like linux they should go back to windows, natural selection baby. After all, all linux user was an new user at one point... i mean all of us (people that use linux full time, or just use linux... sometime) were new users... and what make us stay? - what make you to stay to linux (if you are a linux user) ? - in my case was that it was nice, and different, it was the fact that if you want you could use the terminal, and i did used a lot :)))... and i come from windows, and i was a kid back then... i didn't like to play games, for me linux it is and it was better than windows... BUT...but... i think there is no point of having ,,a war" against windows user... there is no war between windows and linux... everyone use what they want... if you prefer windows its ok, understandable have a good day, have fun!! i like linux and i also have a good day and fun! everyone use what suits their needs!
@@1pcfred Terminal is a wall painting. What's more clear: "xinput --set-prop 11 301 0" where 11 and 301 can change between reboots depending on phase of the moon or a slider named 'mouse acceleration ' always located in the same panel?
@@etopowertwon my mouse has two buttons on it that change its acceleration. I have a Razer DeathAdder Elite. Are you saying your device IDs move when you reboot?
@@1pcfred I am saying that my mouse works fine on windows but on Linux it moves too fast. Property id definitely changes for me between 297 and 301 at one point, I don't remember exact device id, it might have changed too.
Originally i had script with hard-coded values, but it broke after a reboot at some point and that's when I discovered id have changed.
Now I have a bash script which calls xinput three times in combination with sed to find device id first, property second and change accel speed value.
(There actually might be gui setting, but on forum I found only answer about running xinput, so instead of fixing issue as normal user, I have a script in ~/bin as a nerd)
The struggling is going to be the most interesting part as it will help me learn for my switch later
linus, go into settings -> workspace behavior -> desktop effects and turn on wobbly windows
EVERY DE SHOULD HAVE WOBBLY WINDOWS. So sad that I'm on Gnome now and can't have me some wobbly windows.
That's probably what they are talking about at 12:49
oh yeah. Wobbly windows are almost necessary to me. It somehow makes the desktop feel more natural, if that makes any sense. It's a feature I didn't expect to like so much.
@@OLucasZanella i heard that there's a gnome-tweaks thing that does it.
I TELL ALL MY FRIENDS THAT TRY PLASMA TO DO THIS SO TRUE BESTIE
Most of my linux life in ancient times was spent googling for how to do x, y, or z. You do eventually learn just by doing it though.
yeah me too, but 99% of users don't want to have to google command lines just to get simple shit working...
@@MrShitthead maybe 99% now, but tomorrow it can be 95%, then 80%. You can both make things easier by improving Linux over time, as well as educate more people on how OS work. This is how progress is made, remember, there was a time where only "nerds" used computers at all!
I tend to forget these googled solutions ultra quick because its usually some bullshit presses in real cryptic bash commands no regular user should ever need to remember.
If Google was around when you started running Linux then you're a newbie.
@@MegaManNeo it's OK to copy commands to a text file. I always save all the really neat ones I find. The latest one I saved is
$ xkbprint -ll 1 :0.0 -o shift_level_1.ps
That makes a graphical Postscript file of your keyboard layout. You can view it in a PDF reader.
I'm super excited to hear more about the Linux experience for gamers. Also the VR gaming experience, particularly with Valve Index.
I would think at least some SteamVR games work, right? But probably not Oculus headsets?
Sooo looking forward to when these videos come out as somebody with the release of windows 11 is heavily testing linux as an option to switch to (currently pop os)
Lunis and SomeOrdinaryGamers should do a team up Episode for Linux.
LUNIS tech tips
Linus said he won't get help from veterans and try this from a new user's pov
@@akibahmed1956 lunis*
As a mostly-Linux user of >15 years I do try to keep a healthy distance from the "community" :-)
Yeah. Been using it as my daily driver for almost 10yrs myself.
I do find it funny how thin some peoples skins can be regarding things... To me it's find the information needed, ignore any "personal" jabs, make fun of arch purist and move on 😂.
Pretty much this.
Running desktop Linux is fine these days but don't go to forums, subreddits and the likes as these are the worst bitch fight you might ever encounter and everyone waits for their chance to pull you in.
@@MegaManNeo when you poke the bear be prepared for the results.
back in 03/04 I was running suse 9.1 as a daily.. I find I actually have MORE issues running it as a daily now due to me having more "bleeding edge" hardware and less mainstream hardware. It's definitely frustrating ...
@@AlanDike that's why I'm never quick to upgrade my hardware.
I thought you were having us on a bit, but it was all in fun. You've gotten the worst of your newbie lumps now, so definitely keep going - there are lots of great distros out there, so keep exploring until you find what you like. Me? I've been running Linux since 1996, and have been Microsoft-free since 2003. I'm living proof it can be done. You can do it, too.
Unfortunately, what you don't realize is that in that amount of time since you cast aside Windows, you would have gotten so much more done just by sticking with it. I pity you, I truly do.
@@RetroBleck you literally have no idea whether that's true. I picked up Linux in a week back in 2010 and have been using it for professional work, exclusively, every day since then - and I'm a professional illustrator, not a tech guy.
I loved your approach in part one.
I hope you get some good experiences with Linux. I've used it for 14 years, and can't bear using Windows anymore. But it did take time and experience to get to the point where i removed windows from my last device.
The whole: 'i want to have one consistent way of doing things' is very much what elementary OS is about.
Control panel since windows 8? Oh boy. The joy of running windows server 2012/2012r2. That bastard product: an enterprise server with a desktop interface that's inclined towards a tablet
finally, im pretty sure with what luke was saying about the audio and install slideshow recommendation it sounds like he's using mint.
I was using Mint to burn a CD a few weeks ago and just seeing how much better the built-in audio players and controls are versus Windows was nearly enough to push me to switch
I thought exactly the same. Still trying to figure out what Linux went for
@@savvepk manjaro kde is no good?
@@EsmeraldMaster manjaro bills itself as for beginners but is really more of an intermediate distro. You are going to have to use the terminal for some things and that just shouldn't be required on a beginner distro. also the fact that its arch with stuff set up for you kind of makes it frustrating to do a lot of things on. as someone who was trying to use manjaro as an advanced distro as someone with not a great amount of experience it felt like the reconfiguration got in my way. maybe a more advanced user than I has a different opinion about it but that was my experience both using it and helping a beginner linux user use it.
I think luke is using pop os and linus is using endeavour os with plasma 🤓
It sounds like Linus is using KDE Plasma. While that DE looks a lot like Windows, I found it had too many options and was more for a power user. While Gnome isn't perfect, it's something I've been using comfortably for years and I'm guessing that's what Luke is using.
I agree. I tried Plasma as my second DE because it looked a bit more familiar, but I got overwhelmed by the options it got. Thanks to it though that I discovered budgie, my favorite DE so far.
Gnome seems like a great UI for ease of use.
from my experience using a bunch of different DEs, Gnome has to be the most cohesive one, especially if you use a distro that automatically installs the tweaks/extensions app. It's quite different from other operating systems, but once you get used to the workflow, it's cleaner and more intuitive than anything else. Pretty sure Luke is using Pop!_OS, considering the ease of encrypting your drive.
Opposite for me, on KDE Plasma as convoluted as it is, at least i can find all the options i need, you just need to dig deep, the more you spend time with it, the more you get used to it. In GNOME i feel like a lot is simply missing even compared to Windows or macOS, Cinnamon fixes a lot of Gnome specific issues.
@@skaftiTH Try Settings -> Display and Monitor -> Compositor -> Screen Tearing Prevention.
Honestly, as a Linux user (not a daily one tho), the experience is not always smooth. Depending on what you are doing sometimes you NEED to learn command line stuff. And OH BOY that there are some wizkids who will keep their arcane secrets behind closed doors... But there's also a lot of helpful folks out there.
Keep it up you both!
I have never been so hyped for a TH-cam video
The problem that you talk about at 8:15 sounds like KDE's show desktop widget, if I am correct you should be able to right click it, hit show similar widgets or something like that, and select one that ACTUALLY minimizes them all! ( if you are indeed on KDE)
The Show Desktop widget on the panel is actually a small square thingy with an underline, you can right click it and select Show Alternatives (arrows pointing in opposite directions) and choose Minimize all Windows and hit Switch. This will give you the expected behavior while using Alt + Tab.
Regarding the steam notifications blocking system tray functions, that's one of the many reasons I personally shift the taskbar to the left of the screen. It lets you use your taskbar no matter what notifications, be it discord, steam, etc. you have that pop up.
It also _literally_ takes up less space that way.
I've Seen Your Old Videos of Tecquile or Something Channel.
So, Conclusion Is I Enjoyed It.
Thanks for Unite The Linux Community for Few Moments.
I use Kubuntu (i.e KDE), and I have had issues where I restarted manually, but never has the system prompted me to do so. Also 99.9% of the configurations I've changed were instantly effective without need of any restart, so his experience is definitely bewildering.
In fact THE biggest sell of Linux in server world IS that you don't have to restart (i.e make your service go offline) after making changes.
Yeah, I was quite perplexed by their comments too. I was 100% sure that it was Gnome since that asks me to reboot on Fedora, if I allow it to do the installation rather than manually. But then there is the mention of Kate. Yet for you..very strange.
I had to go through the gauntlet of Learning Linux on my own, gatekeeping included.
Can't wait for someone to display it so that things can change and linux can get the love to the masses
Can you elaborate what you ran into? I've never experienced that...
Today Linux for the masses and tomorrow neurosurgery! Makes sense to me.
Go pay your $100, like Windows, and you'll get a support that is super nice to you. That's your solition. Apart from that, you are dealing with people investing their time for free. They can do that on their terms. You might not like those terms, but that's where I point you back to companies you can pay for help.
Your bad experience likely has something to do with your approach. At least that's where I made the difference when we helped people make the switch in 2012. If you expect to be spoon fed, you will have a hard time finding someone willing to put up with you.
@@pelic9608 But people who don't care about combustion engines still want to drive cars. Until Linux creates an automatic transmission for non-technical users (like Linus and Luke) to leverage their engine, noobs will constantly bombard the Linux community with "spoon-fed" requests which provoke abrasive responses.
I'll stick with a manual transmission myself, but I'm also a CPSC major who willingly wanted to learn internals as an investment into my career and to satisfy my curiosity.
Personally, I think the Linux community enjoys the learning curve, the difficulty, and the gotchas that force you to be a part of the community if only for the help. The consequence is a knowledgeable, driven userbase which also edges out a more significant portion of the population.
@@arimill1045 It's a merit based group; simple as. That's what always was the actual difference between Windows and Linux users. I'm cool with people just wanting to edit their files and not caring beyond. But those also aren't trying to be the cool hipster hackers, using Linux, while not being willing to put in the time.
Stay in your lane, or at least don't complain when you bump into others while blindly changing it as if everyone just waited for you to come.
(Generic "you"s, by the way. No idea what your actual attitude is; obviously)
Btw, technically internet explorer does still exist. It's baked into windows at least in 10. It just doesn't have support anymore.
And then distro tube makes a video implying linus is trolling, lmfao.
Can't wait for the video gonna be Fun and my excitement is through the roof.
On what Luke was saying, as far as I care the door is wide ass open and I’m holding it there.
Don't say wide ass open dude 😅
@@Lambda_Ovine I’ll say what I want!
4:30 this is one of the things that made learning 3d software so difficult for me. Great for using a workflow that's best for you, shit for learning the software for the first time with consistency.
*Sometimes it's all about some stupid ego. Dolphin is the KDE devs "ego response" to Nautilus, the GNOME devs ego. And in order to "complete" this ego bs we also have .. Nemo, the Cinnamon devs ego. And so on ...*
@@Smjork every Desktop Environment has its own File Manager. If it didn't it wouldn't be a DE. There are certain core apps associated with being a DE. Otherwise it's simply a Window Manager. So it isn't ego it is convention.
11:56 yeah I think every OS needs its own app names. Generic names for applications are soul crushing.
I think anyone with years of experience in an OS will have a lot of trouble learning how to use a totally different OS. It's nice to see someone actually trying to do it
Yeah I've had Linux difficulties. But through my stupidity I've still never currupted my Linux install.
Your one lucky sob 😀
@@jothain actually now I think about it I currupted a pop os install by getting snapd installed.
"The linux community is here for you, and that you should switch to arch" - average arch user..
Arch users are the vegans of the linux community
In a more literal sense its probably more mac users
Hey bro you should try arch I’ll send over my neofetch
@Fabian The_communist found the vegan/arch user
@Fabian The_communist I've dated many vegans and many of them say they don't care if you're vegan, but whenever I've reported my progress to veganizing they flip out and ask why I'm not 100%. They're not tolerant they're just outwardly polite for a limited period of time.
The Arch wiki is genuinely great for any Linux user who wants to understand what their system is doing in the background tho.. and I use PopOS, btw.
In fact, restarts for updating core components are lot more frequent on windows than on Linux. You only need to restart linux if you update the kernel, and even then, it isn't mandatory, you restart it if you want.
6:05 Pro tech tip: Open the action center (win+a) and all notifications in queue will go to the action center immediately, and won't be displayed again.
I love Linus' eccentric & wacky attitude. It's a case of "I care about the kernel and screw the rest of it". :) What a guy!
So linus uses KDE, or am I confusing Kate with something else?
Seems so, yep. Specifically, I'd guess Kubuntu or even Manjaro KDE...
@@vlco_o probably manjaro since they've showed it on LTT many times before
I don't know, he said he'd probably use Pop!OS.
@@waggy401 Probably Luke is on Pop! OS and Linus on Manjaro KDE.
wait, does kde allow that scroll to change slider value? i thought that was a gnome only thing which made me think hed be on pop, and luke mentioned the media thing, which sounds like kde, but mentioned the setup with "these apps are for this" thing, which sounds like an ubuntu thing, so kubuntu maybe?? idk man
my favorite linux experience is when a guide calls for using a text editor on the terminal. doesn't matter if the writer prompts you, possibly a new user, to choose "your favorite", or if they arbitrarily call for one that will require new users to search for another tutorial on how to use a text editor, love it both ways especially if the tutorial is for something that's a toggle on other systems.
There are too many graphical UI options and they often change. The command line (config file editing) continues to work for a long time, and consistently on many/all system configurations.
@@MachoMaster can you set your linux system audio to mono? on macos it's an accessibility setting, not sure about windows but you can toggle it somewhere in the audio settings i think. to answer this question i've seen users suggest you go buy materials at a hardware store and take out your soldering iron.
For the notifications on Windows:
1. They don't NOT hide the taskbar. Click on the bottom right to open up the action center (or whatever they call it now) and click on clear notifications link (why is it not a button.....)
2. Turn on DND mode and stop the pop-ups at all
3. Turn on focus mode and choose which notifications can bother you
Hope that helps.
There is a learning curve for everything. Linus already stated that there are people in universities who don't even know what a folder structure is. You cannot target all spectrum of users in one environment and not have a mad group. To be fair, and imho, every big desktop environment, have/had few quirks and bugs that make them feel like a janky software; at least this is what I felt when I was using/exploring them few years ago. Development is hard and when there is little to no investors, and among many other reasons, things don't come out as you hope.
Hey Linus, love your videos! Just keep in mind that Linux is all about choice. All Operating Systems, even MacOS, have many ways of doing a given task.
im loving the new set
The media control panel Luke mentioned sounds really nice
What is amazing is that what some people think is a weakness is a strength to others. I think that having many ways to do something is a strength of Linux. To me, choice is King.
BTW, I think your experience with Linux will improve with time and I predict it will become your preferred OS.
Ok, I am curious about what distro Linus is using because that experience sounds very very different from any distro I know. my Linux never asks me for a restart.
About the rebooting, the images on the websites are always a bit outdated and pretty much always need a kernel update which requires a reboot. After that though, reboots are more rare than on Windows in my experience. Really cool experiment!
To encrypt, once you are at the home screen you literally just go to the bit locker options and press encrypt.
The need to restart is not present on most distros. That's mostly Ubuntu AFAIK.
Both my Manjaro and my Fedora installs never required me to restart, even after kernel updates I could keep going with the old one.
And that's without any work on my side.
I had my laptop in standby without reboot for the whole work week with Manjaro, sometimes 2 following, if I was using it on the weekend.
Why does everyone keep using these Ubuntu based distros. Every time I've tried one of them they fucked something up, drivers, these reboots, a shitton of slow snaps... I mean, I may not be the best person to judge it, but I can't see how they make things "easier" in Ubuntu. As far as I can tell that's a thing of the past.
Linux Mint is ubuntu based and I haven't had any issues with reboots, I wonder what distro they are using
@@williamrose3413 is not Linux mint based on Debian ?
And even on Ubuntu, you don't really "need" to restart. It's just that any kernel updates only take effect after you restart. That's the only type of update that requires a restart.
I've tried a lot of distros, the one that just seems the best is Manjaro KDE. Amazing experience.
I only need to restart on my arch when i do a Kernel update
When I first got into Linux I had about 15 years of computer building experience. Even with that it was quite difficult to wrap my head around the way everything was modular, having to compile my own code, understanding new file systems, and just picking a distro. That was only half the battle. The other half was actually learning to use Linux, and learning to redo everything that I did on windows in another operating system. So Linus, if you're having difficulties, I forgive you my man. My best advice for you, is to break each component down and do research on one thing at a time. You will quickly get overloaded with opinions and white papers if you don't.
Thank you for being honest with your experience. I've tried to get into Linux 3 different times. Each time I've struggled to figure out basic things like installing programs from the web, I've been gaslit and lied too. It was like I was being punished for not know how it worked as a newcomer. I'm told it's simple and easy when it's not. Thank you for acknowledging that it is in fact tricky to newcomers.
Whats your use case? What you write seems rather confuse. Unless you use an interpreted language you also have to compile your own code on windows. The build system is the lowest hurdle in each operating system, unless you use a really weird language. Also when do you really have to understand the file system? Would you say you understand exactly how NTFS works? Because unless you are trying to contribute to NTFS-3G or something the chances that you need to are really slim. And I don't see how this is different with ext4, btrfs or any other file system. All of the complexity is hidden from the user.
@@raxcentalruthenta1456 Getting used to using a package manager is definitely a change. Going from Windows where you do download and install everything manually to Linux where you do an apt, yum, or pacman command to install takes a while to get used to. There've been attempts to make good graphical tools but I've personally found it difficult to sort through all the options they present (to be fair, I think the same thing about app stores in general). 40-50 years of inertia is hard to overcome.
@@KiinaSu when I first got into Linux, it was the time that live CDs were just coming out. I got my first distro from the back of a Red Hat book. At that point there really wasn't an easy way to automatically install it from a live CD. I had to go out to each of the sourceforge for the particular service I needed. And this was downloading over a dial-up connection. I would then have to compile the code in order to run it. If there was a compiling error, it was a big deal to me. At that time I wasn't even introduced to C+, or python. It wasn't like I didn't have any experience, I was able to make HTML web pages from scratch, I could go into the registry to make changes to the operating system, and I was comfortable using a command line interface. But for all the knowledge that I thought I had, Linux quickly put me in my place. Once I read the book, installing it wasn't too bad if you knew the file location, but I think it was the combination of a new way of installing and the large amount of jargon that you have to get through made it more difficult than it needed to be. I think it had more to do with my ego at the time. The question I asked was why should I have to read an entire book just to install an operating system ? After that I left the Linux community I didn't return until Ubuntu 11 and live USB. And by then I realize that if you really want full control over your operating system, then you need to take the time to research everything. The ability to customize comes at a cost, and that cost is your time to learn the knowledge.
@@EmptyZoo393 Well tbh the pain starts when something is not in the package manager repo. Lets take ubuntu for example. Best case for 99% of end users is if you can just open their package manager gui and install it from there. 2nd best case is you can find it on a ppa but that is already a much higher burden for most users. 3rd best case is you find a .deb file. Worst case you find some weird tarball. Tarball is going to be a dead end for your average user. The whole fragmentation for packaging doesn't make it a lot easier.
I installed Pop OS on an old mini PC as an HTPC, including Steam and Jackbox games, and was very pleased at how quick and easy it was.
Many years ago, I was trying Mint, and wanted to resize the Mate's task bar, some research later I found out that I had to edit some xml file, reload and see if the result was of my liking, if not, repeat the process. At that point I thought "this feels to much like my job", that was the last time I used Linux on bare metal, try it on VM from time to time and will try if back again someday.
My relatively 'uneducated' guess is that Linus is running Manjaro. I recently switched to that for my DD, and his description of his experience sounds very similar to mine (sans the nuances of his particular setup).
Yeah, well we know his desktop environment is KDE. Manjaro is supported but I don't think its Manjaro, pamac you have to select applying automatic updates and rarely does it make you restart. Honestly I had more issues getting Kubuntu running than manjaro. Ultimately stuck with Manjaro, you can't beat pamac and the rolling updates.
My guess is either kubuntu or fedora kDE as those are the next most popular options.
Manjaro sucks, it offers way to many "user friendly" stuff, instead of just showing you how to use your computer.
It breaks a lot more than arch because of this.
I think it's kde neon, and luke is on manjaro xfce
Larger Linux communities e.g. Ubuntu (the main distro not the kernel platform as a whole), are usually extremely helpful and kind, on top of having a huge resource base to go through. Smaller more “technical” communities, like the Arch communities tend to have a WAY larger presence of elitists for one reason or the other.
Very true, even on Discord it's pretty much a plague of entire Linux community. For now I just pretend I'm not using 'Linux' and just using 'just another operating system' lmao.
Oh, I’ll believe it. Back in the old days joining the gentoo community was a toxic nightmare. It’s so much better now days. I’ll be interested in seeing your videos.
Just FYI, if you ever want to try this. You can schedule Linux updates and restarts using the Cron system.