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Despite the many reviews of the 50-series cards showing that their value proposition is weak, the 50-series cards sold out in a matter of seconds on launch day. Do reviews still matter? Linus and Luke discuss.
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Luke is right, they sold out of the 3 whole gpu's sold. Those would sell out no matter what anyone said, no matter if anyone knew literally anything on the card or not. We need actual quantity to see anything but it'll probably look sad either way
Scalpers would wipe the shelves immediately.
I personally don't care about generational uplift, as long as there is some, even if it's 5%, I'd be ok with it, becasue I just upgrade every 3 or 4 generations, reviews don't matter to me, I only watch them to know if there are factory defects or something extra that I should know.
Was there actually only 3 sold?
@@AcuasBut doesn’t knowing that the card you bought very well could have been multiple times better had less of the market bought into flagships with that same attitude bother you?
@@Kieranh4424 No, because my card is like 8 years old at this point, to me, it will be a massive upgrade none the less, sure, it would be cool if it was even better, but at the end of the day, as long as I can play my games, it won't really matter to me how much better the card is, these cards are already smoking any game released, and any game where there is trouble running it, we perfectly know is the devs not optimizing the game, not the card being bad, in my opinion, if the cards were better, we would just see the game companies optimizing even less, because the games would run anyway.
nvidia did this on purpose. they’ve seen how much scalping helped their previous generation. so they produced like 1k card for the world and get scalpers artificially raising the price for them so their $800 over msrp looks reasonable
I don't think nvidia even put that much thought into it. 5090s are probably just down-binned AI chips that didn't make the cut. And every other Blackwell gaming GPU is low priority compared to the big profit AI chips. They're all coming out of TSMC and they're the main constraint to more supply.
@@cookiehead2 5090 is down-binned from the highend b6000 server chip. Nowadays Nvidia is flooding it with their data-center bundle hardwares. You want to use our AI technology? You have to buy our server chip. Thanks to Intel going absolutely obsolete, Nvidia and AMD is chumping the Intel's market share like crazy. Peasant GPU is not their major income source anymore. Also, since everybody is making orders at TSMC, the price goes up naturally.
The same thing is happening with food prices... Greedy companies figured out during Covid that people gotta eat and they'll pay way more for the same garbage. Previously they would have never dared to price products so aggressively... This gets wrapped into "inflation" and got the orange felon reelected which for the companies is a win win...
Do you guys use your head before you try so hard to just hate? It does Nvidia literally nothing to have their cards scalped, because they sell at retail no matter what.
I mean Jesus Christ guys, the 80 series card went down in price for MSRP too.
@ pervious generations had a lot of demand and thus the price went up. now nvidia wants to replicate that. but the 50 series doesnt really improve enough to justify that so they go to the other side of the supple demand curve. they limit supply so even if demand is lower the price can still be high.
I will feel guilty if I don't 100 percent justify my purchase on anything, so I will search the web endlessly to figure out if what I'm buying is a good buy even if the item is used.
same literally man i can't i be spending that much money without doing atleast this much reasearch
Definitely not alone on this. Sometimes I'll take MONTHS of researching before I finally pull the trigger or decide not to.
Exactly, supply and demand. Long term and resale values will be affected by reviews
But a lot of people dont mind about money, they just burn it. I mean. I watched a lot of videos and read the comments and no few people were poor-shaming other that they need to watch the price/performance because they are poor. With those people you cant do much.
same
I opened and started the video, then a few minutes in, I closed it because I realized that I don’t care. I’m never going to own this or consider buying one.
I feel the exact same way, I have an old 144gtz 1080p, these cards would be overkill without a new monitor and I can afford either.
Why would I waste me time when the last 3 generations just don't exist at a reasonable price point or in stock. its all just so boring.
same and i dont got a pc for gaming im just a console gamer lol .
Ditto. I have no intention of buying a 5000 series card, they're like $3500CAD, my monitor is 1080p, my PSU is too weak... I got half way through the video, but I had lost interest within the first minute or two. Who cares anymore...?
@@XKCDism I upgraded from gtx1080 to rtx 3070 and it was a huge jump even for cyberpunk on my 1080p 60hz monitor.
I switched to using a gaming laptop with a dock a few years ago. I'll be using that 3070 (mobile) until the laptop dies, so GPU reviews are pointless to me.
Here in Brazil the RTX 5090 is R$25.000, equivalent to U$4.3K. Only problem is the minimum wage is R$1500.
5090 is absurdly overpriced but you shouldn't be buying a 5090 working minimum wage
@@FeaRNightstorm It's just a comparison and how absurd prices of things can be
imagine that with the power required for the 5090 you could run 3 mini pressure cookers to make your food and a a mini fridge for your Cans
with 18k you can buy a top notch gaming and 3d modeling laptop, but one card Costing 25k R$... as a Brazilian this is rombo! porra de Nvidia
nice, 5090's also struggling due to bad drivers or pci5 it seems. Fun launch for sure.
Honestly my interest in PC tech is almost completely gone because we've reached a point where games look pretty much as good as they can and new Hardware boils down to "10% faster than last gen, give us 2000 bucks please"
The only new stuff is AI garbo that makes games look worse with ghosting and blur but hey ! Here you go 200 Fps of which 160 are fake, yippie !
Reached the point where games look pretty much as good as they can and still, somehow, become more and more demanding and unoptimized by the day. Fun stuff.
Games can still get better looking til they look better than what you see outside
@@slayerdwarfify Seriously. Games like STALKER 2 look good but not OMG WOW and run like complete ass. It doesn't look any better than something like, say Cyberpunk 2077, a 5 year old game that runs fine on a Steam Deck. And I know that at launch CP2077 ran like shit, but that goes to prove the point. If games are coded properly, you don't need a high end GPU to get a great looking and great running game.
@WhiteG60 A good example is Kingdome Come Deliverance 2, great looking game and runs pretty well on a bunch of hardware. I expected it to go well when they sent review codes out a month early, rarely see that with unoptimized game launches
I sometimes wonder if the stats are the goal. "Of course it looks better, look at these numbers". In the meantime they are drawing enough power to dim the lights in the hood when turned on.
Idk... crypto, scalpers, greedy gpu/AI overlords... MORE THAN 5 YEARS WITH THIS
The problem was never crypto haha
Forgot AI bubble.
@@1vend7 crypto mining boon back when 3000 series launched was the main culprit for gpu shortages for avg consumer and resulted in nvidia making anti crypto versions
Basically these days you might as well get a ps5 and a steamdeck, more cost effective than even a mid range gaming pc lol. Ps5 for the big AAA games and steamdeck for the indie pc games.
True reason for low retention is that most people are interested in new powerful tech but then you quickly remember you'll never be able to afford it so why am I even wasting my time watching the video.
It doesn't matter for the early adopters of a given card generation, they either have to upgrade because their gpu is done for or they would upgrade anyway for whatever reason. Your work matters more for the later span of themidle-ish span of life of the card when you than have a bit of stuff to decide also price wise.
Very true, though performance numbers do change over time due to driver updates, which are not captured by launch videos sadly.
A huge factor in this is that the 4080S and 4090 have been out of production for months, and have been very difficult to find at msrp for a while.
There is huge pent up demand, but Nvidia has obviously been making more datacenter chips rather than readying 5080/5090 supply for launch.
Yeah that's why you saw the 7900XTX sell out
Ive been trying to upgrade from a 3080 to 4080 or 4090 for months but nothing is out there. Might as well buy a 5080 when used 4080s are going over original msrp.
@@SlipperyCouch1Yeah, you make a great point here. If you're not saving money then it just makes sense to go with the latest GPU
Reviewers: Hey this 5080 is hot garbage don't even bother, who was this product even for?!?!... People with 20 series and below: GIMMIE GIMMIE GIMMIE!
they have no other option, AMD and Intel are trash for high resolution gaming. NVIDIA has a monopoly on high end market.
The point is if they bought a 4080 super last year they still would of been better off compared to the 5080. If the 4080 super wasn't a buy for them then the only reason they buy the 5080 is because their old GPU is slow and they're desperate and now know nothing better is coming for another 2 years now (that's not over $2000). It's really sad honestly.
@@Bargate Yea, sitting here with a 1080 ti and figured I could wait one more generation because usually that's the responsible thing to do, but now I'm left sitting here just wishing I had bought a 4080, or 4090 last generation. I can't even go back and buy a 4090 if I wanted to since they stopped production on those cards almost a year ago. Nvidia knew what they were doing.
second hand 3080ti nuff said
I have a 3060 12GB, which has done me well, but it's still time to upgrade to something with more horsepower.
Even with the cards being a waste of value. It also doesn’t help when a reviewer tells their community something is trash and not worth it but they end up buying it and having it in their personal computers. That creates a lot of FOMO.
FOMO on what? 10% more fps? He tells you exactly what it does, and it's exactly the same damn thing you already have, just marginally better. It's nothing revolutionary. Social media is very good at brainwashing people to think they must have the new shiny thing, be aware of that.
They get stuff for free though, obviously the average person can't compare to that
I think we owe reviewers a confession. We only watch reviews for 2 situations
1- item we have zero intention to buy
2- item we already bought
“I can’t afford food. I can’t afford eggs. I can’t afford gas for my car.”
***buys a scalped GPU for $6000***
I doubt those are the same people complaining about grocery prices. I if you can buy any luxury over 1000$ on a whim, You're doing fine enough not to complain about prices.
Yeah those aren’t the same people, maybe there’s a couple loudmouths where it overlaps but definitely not the majority
@@G-LewYou'd be surprised. So many people are incredibly irresponsible with money and prioritize luxuries over necessities. I've known families that are getting evicted for not being able to afford rent but all have the latest iphone, goes days without eating but spends hundreds on weed and alcohol, walking five miles to work every day but buys every fortnite skin that comes out
They’re the same people, that’s why they can’t afford necessities.
Ammmericansss
I was basically only interested in a FE 5080, but my current card is also old. Generation on generation uplift doesn't matter. What matters is what I'm upgrading from.
I'm still on a 1080. I intend to upgrade to AMDs top card towards the end of the year. Though if I have to, I'll get a 7900xtx
From a 3080, the 5080 is not enticing
True, but like, how much of an upgrade did you have?
@@hoofhearted41080 is a solid card still… does windows 11 work on yours?
@@raawesome3851 from a 2070 to 3080 was a great uplift. I just cant spend 1200 for another 80 series this time.
Law of TH-camrs: For every "Reviews don't matter anymore"-title, you must release one "Why reviews still matter"-video to maintain balance.
If you want more negativity, here's another thing: most of the people watching your 5080 or 5090 videos are just nerds who aren't gonna buy those anyway. Check how many of your audience members are Indian? Almost none of them were gonna buy them anyway. India is big on tech nerd culture when it comes to raw numbers, even if proportionally we're a niche. So the actual people looking at these cards aren't even all the ones watching your videos. You influence even less people than that 10 million number might suggest, because a decent chunk of that 10M isn't looking to game on PCs anyway.
As an Indian, he has a point.
That makes sense honestly
I mean people watching it are the ones who want to eventually buy it, I remember watching the 1080 review when I was in high school and no way of even dreaming of buying the card. Now I got a job and a PC with the 4080
Myself I'm quite happy with my 4070ti with no real intention of upgrading until the 60 series (and that was before the reviews came out) but it's nice to keep current with these things in case a friend/family member needs some advice: Luke's mico-influencer point. And also for a reference when it is time to upgrade. That and Tech nerd reasons.
I need an upgrade but I’m not gaming enough to justify the double price of a 5090. I might end up with a 5080 but it sucks. I am informed now, informed that my 2080 will have to live for another year at least
Edit: not Indian, but Eastern European so the topic fits our use case as well
I'm only interested in 1440p so I'm not really interested in the rest of the video for reviews. I do think it's important to have all the info out there though and I appreciate what you folks do
Reviews especially don’t matter when the product is in the hands of more ‘influencers’ than actual consumers
Linus, as someone who just bought a 3070 on Ebay, keep in mind that what you are doing IS useful, as it stays relevant in the future for the resell market :)
You are my go-to guy for reviews on cards... just years after they get released
PS: graphs are good :)
Yikes who buys a 3070 over a 6700 XT?
@@PyroBlonde7777 I got a used a Rx 6700xt a few years ago and kinda regret it now. For gaming it works great, but I can't run LLM on wsl because AMD doesn't support it. Thinking about getting a 40 series card after their prices drop on the used market.
@Mark_badas uh, buddy... AMD sells gaming GPUs. They haven't sold a work station GPU in over a decade. If you want something that can do both you'll be spending a lot more money. Edit: the 9070 XT will utilize AI so maybe it'll be useful.
@PyroBlonde7777 I prefer DLSS over FSR, which led to me buying a 3070. I've had no problems playing games at 1440p ultrawide 144hz.
@totallyjerd1751 that's the beauty of AMD. My 6800 XT never needed FSR at 2k. I don't even use it at 4k unless I'm playing a really unoptimized game. I was concerned about Ray Tracing until I realized 95% of games don't use it to the extent of Cyberpunk. So in most cases I was still getting well above 150 fps at 2k.
5090 in Poland costs like 20000 PLN, 5080 is 7500PLN. Minimal wage is about 3500 PLN. Im running 3070 and I'm not upgrading because most modern games are not worth it. Best part is that in 2014 I was playing at 1080p with r9 270 and now i'm also playing in 1080p and sometimes I don't even have 60fps maxed out. This is madness.
If you make minimum wage in any country and are buying a 5090 then you deserve all of the pain that the stupid decisions bring upon you.
@@apersonontheinternet8006 You're completely missing a point. Minimal wage is just point of reference for people to understand the scale. Obviously 5090 isn't a card for people that make minimum wage. The point is that MSRP for 5090 is 1999 USD which is around 8200PLN and that would be an pretty fair price for it. 20000PLN is just insane.
That 5090 review has been one of the best reviews I've seen in a long time. It was quick consise and had no information I didn't like.
I hope Linus doesn't get discouraged.
Yeah, the fact of the matter is that most people base their decision off the FPS charts and leave it at that.
Lots of other info simply doesn't apply, but when we're talking about a 5090--a card that is always geared not just towards gamers but specialists in some fields--it's important to have all the info out there.
Only matters if theres a alternative
Those are removed before they hurt the bottem line.
exactly, i need a new GPU, AMD and Intel are not a viable option for my needs, so I'm left with the only NVIDA, NVIDIA stopped producing all previous gen cards so there is only 1 option to chose from now, reviews don't matter I already know what I HAVE to get.
It's kinda sad that gamers don't take AMD's high end seriously. @@Blunthammer
Unfortunately AMD doesnt really have a "high end" when the 7900 XTX gets stomped by the 4090. Not to say that the 7900 xtx is a bad card, its just not comparable.@@suranae
@suranae i gots the 7900 xtx. Love it, but has a few issues
GPU reviewers live in a bubble. They get the best hardware for practically free, meanwhile the vast majority of gamers are around a 1660 with a 1080p 60-144hz monitor. So no wonder most people don't give a crap about 4K. Gaming has became a tremendously expensive hobby, and those who can afford the latest GPUs live in the top 5% most privileged people in the entire world, and reviews are formatted for only those 5%. Stats for 1080p medium settings never get shown for example
usually because if you're gaming on 1080p there's already plenty of cards to choose from. You don't need these new high end products to game on 1080p certainly not a card costing 1k+
@@mybaIIz hence the low retention for videos about the latest GPUs, which is what baffles Linus
@@mybaIIz Yup .. if you're on 1080, then go watch his from 4 years ago. Stop harassing us and our financial decisions 😭
I am one of the few who can afford the latest gpu, though I went with a 7900 xtx, but anyway I don't care about 4k either, and I never have, even with the top end gpus, 4k is just too much of a performance hit to enjoy playing at, same with ray tracing.
@@klooger28 😬 then there's people like me who dropped $1200 on a 4k 240hz QD-OLED with dp2.1a just in anticipation of the 5090.
I literally took off work yesterday to go pick up the display from MicroCenter and started rearranging all my furniture to fit a trippe 4k display setup. 🥲
If there's no point in reviewing something the average person can't or won't buy then LTT has a lot more problems than the 50 series.
I sat outside a Microcenter at 12am - 9am to get a RTX 5080 for my best friend who lives in Canada. I arrived at 12am the night before and I was the last person to receive a card in line. I had a great time but MAN was it cold out.
She was upgrading from a 1080 to a 5080. So the “barely a difference to the 4090” wasn’t in the conversation. Honestly we couldn’t find any 4090’s in stock anyway. It was cheaper to buy a 5080 than a 4090
I think reviewers were too harsh on their reviews of the 5080. It’s a really great card for us.
I totally agree. It’s like reviewers completely forgot not every gamer is coming from a 4080 super or 4090.
There are people, like me, who are upgrading from a 7 year old 1080ti. There is no better deal than the 5080. Every 40/50 series card ending in 80/90 is being scalped. The difference is stock will soon be normalizing for the 5080 and $1000 is a good deal for the 3rd fastest card in the world.
5090 in Germany is 3400 Euro on average....3527 Dollars.
Jesus! :l
In my also European country an ordinary Zotac RTX 5080 sells for 2000 euros, so...
I've seen listings for Strix and Gaming Trio models at 4400 Euro and 3900 Euro in Lithuania. Not sure whether they even had any stock, but there is nothing available right now.
Y'all are over estimating the conversion between people who watch a 5090 review and people who buy a 5090.
I've watched TONS of content on the 5090, but there's no way I'll buy it.
What happened was that I wondered "huh, I wonder how good the 5090 is 🤔? And then I watched the rasterization benchmarks and I got my answer."
glad i wasn't the only one who saw the flaw in their logic
Linus seems to completely ignore that for example the entire Microcenter supply of 5080s and 5090s was only around 3k cards. They are artificially creating scarcity.... this entire thing is artificially induced. Imagine if they shipped 3k PS5s for every Best Buy or target in the entire United States.
@@WhatisReal11 And 3,000 divided by 28 locations is over 100 cards per store average. If 10 were 90 cards and the rest are 80 cards for every store that is $110,000 in inventory per store. There are over 1000 Best Buys and almost 2000 Target locations around the US.
MicroCenters inventory is irrelevant but it is funny watching gamers cry.
People see the performance, they see the price tag, and then close the video, it's that simple, forget the scalping bots, scalping the scalpers that keep scalping other scalpers that inflate the prices, it's not them you should be concerned with.
REAL GAMERS, don't want to pay that absurd amount of dollars for generational improvement, it's beyond ridiculous at this point, it's has just become another bragging rights item for the rich. I bet you most that currently rock a 5090, hasn't even put 50 hours with it into a game.
Dawg. Not all "REAL GAMERS" are financially strapped their whole lives. I grew up playing on a computer with a floppy drive and some Pentium processor back when my parents came here and delivered pizzas and did babysitting...
Last computer I built in 2022 with a used 3080 for $600.
I'm finally at the point I can afford a brand new top of the line PC without having to piece together mid ranged used stuff.
Let us enjoy this. :/
What idiot is gonna upgrade to a 50 series from a 40 series?
@AGuy-vq9qp I wanted to replace my 4070Ti with a 5080 if it matched the 4090 in performance. 60-65% performance gains would have been worth it, but I changed my mind as soon as the graphs were out
Fr, the 90 card has always been more for specialist tasks than gaming.
I've only ever seen it as being useful for people running a ton of virtual machines, AI models, video editing in 4k, etc.
Most gamers consider the 80 top of the line for gaming and don't even consider a 90.
A video comparing best, bang for buck fyre price to frame rate at 1080p gaming regardless of card would be fantastic. That would be genuinely useful.
Luke's point at 9:40, YES. These people already decided to upgrade regardless of if it's good or bad. Newest is best tmso they buy it. Especially when supply issues on other older cards, that might be just as good, is already an issue they might as well fight the crowds for the newest one.
Yup if you want an upgrade you only have 1 viable option for 4k gaming and that is NVIDIA, they stopped making the last gen so you are forced to buy the current gen, there is no choice to be made or any reason to watch reviews other than for entertainment.
@therealkylekelly I'm not sure id agree with the "only" viable option. I have a 7800xt that kicks ass at 1440, with the 7900xt (around 650 normally use) and the 7900xtx (around 850 pretty normally) both are more than competent at 4k. Now again if people think they want the newest thing then yeah it's Nvidia as there's no new and card yet.
@@Stevethepirate8973 That's like saying you don't need real milk because powdered milk also contains calcium. AMD is not a viable option.
@@EmperorOfMan bud, what are you even doing watching LTT clips for then? If you have predetermined, without even watching reviews, that every other GPU manufacturer is not a viable option, you are the literal definition of the problem they are talking about in this discussion. My 450 USD 7800xt has roughly equivalent framerate in every modern game as a 600-650 USD Nvidia card. I would post a dozen side by side comparison videos here, or even LTT labs data, but I know by the tone of your comment that wouldn't do any good. So I guess keep being part of the problem and complaining that Nvidia cards keep going up in price and getting progressively less impressive with each generation. It's on you.
@@Stevethepirate8973amd is out of competition by far. I own 4090 and the only upgrade for me is 5090.
Let's not forget the most popular card according to Steams hardware study is the 3060. A card that had a $250 MSRP. Which shows what the market really wants. And likely none of those people that own them, or at least a small percentage even looked at a single review, we are the niche.
It’s cause of Internet cafes in Asia buying cheap gaming rigs in the millions every year. Steam Hardware survey is a coping mechanism used by budget gamers. If you look at just end customers in NA and EU the average gamer probably has something closer to a 3080 in performance.
Yeah tbh at the end of the day, most people are just gonna get whatever the latest version of their preferred tier of GPU is. They don't really care about the nitty gritty details. They just want the best hardware at the time that'll receive the longest support.
@@cosmic_gate476I'd disagree with that. The vast majority of people I know have a 3070 or 4070 atm, but most first-time gaming PC/laptop buyers will go for a 60 'cause it's the cheapest entry point when you're building a whole system (and also they don't really understand realistically how long that's gonna last them)
@@cosmic_gate476 Not sure what you're saying here. People who game in internet cafes don't count for some reason?
@@brzt4256 If you removed those plebs you will see the real stats on what people buy for themselves, not what cheap businesses buy to maximize revenue from those who can’t even afford a system of their own
The 5090 is NOT a $2000 GPU today. The 5080 is NOT a $1000 GPU today. The only people who've gotten these cards for these prices essentially won a lottery. Everyone is so mad at the scalpers, but this is just simple supply vs demand. This whole thing is a hierarchy of scalping with Nvidia at the very top as the biggest scalper. Expect the same behavior from AMD.
While Nvidia made things worse by producing very few of these, according to the benchmarks, the demand should be even lower than that.
@@michaelmechex And "half" of the production went to reviewers to create FOMO.
LMAO this scalpers talk is hilarious. Now everyone thinks third party distributors that deal with clients that buy in bulk are scalpers.
None of you know how the real world works.
I couldn't buy the 5080, so I bought the 7900XTX instead and saved 1300 PLN (300 USD) in the process. This opened my eyes to how unwise it would have been to purchase the 5080. Moreover, there aren't even any 4080s available anymore, and if there are, they're priced like the 5080. At least that's the situation in Poland.
More like fart launch...we had 0 5090s in Canada
they are just ignoring the artificially induced scarcity. They had 3k 5080s and 5090s for the entirety of Microcenters in the USA. A 3 trillion dollar company can not produce enough? Or are they intentionally driving up prices?
Vex's videos on how 5000 series seems artificially sold out was an interesting watch. Hard to know what's really happening.
I did enjoy Hardware Unboxed's breakdown of how the different graphics card tiers tend to go generationally and how this was a letdown.
Interesting if your last two brain cells are fighting to the death for dominance.
The best quote ever is from Linus.....Torvalds.
F YOU NVIDIA
if the 5080 had 20gb of VRAM then it's not too bad but over £1000 for 16gb of VRAM in 2025??? Wtf is Nvidia smoking!?
Then you remember it's really a renamed 5070, and it all makes sense.
the price has already gone up ....
There is no reason for the 5080 to have 20GB.
@@johngordon9426 People that cry about die size are hilarious. You would cry about a 400w, $800 5060 in a heartbeat had they not reduced the die size.
9:05 I don’t think shouting into the void is the correct perspective. Even if only 3M people watch the video which to your point is a small percentage of PC gamers at large. And only 1/3 of them got to the conclusion you are still bringing valuable information to those 1M people who are hopefully most in need of this information. And again to the point of micro influencers if those 1M people are in that category then you are reaching more than that. 1M people who want this information is still 1M people and you do good work giving them that information. Keep it up.
The only void Linus is shouting into is Steve's old phone number.
You're not here to influence the market. You're here to give tech tips. I'm sure some people found the review useful.
Meanwhile 5090s are pushing 7k on eBay…
Canada has quite literally had 2 5080s pop up for sale on ALL websites since Jan 31st. Im pretty sure they have sold a total of like 50 cards across Canada. I have no clue how this can be classified as even a launch.
I like what Luke said in the end. I wish in those review videos (and I'm fine if the videos finishes with it) there would be a price per performance ranking to see on a glance which GPU is value King. You could even display it as a bandwidth highlighting both msrp and realistic price point.
Hardware unboxed has those charts
and it needs to show actual buying prices right now, not MSRP. like it's "possible" to get a 5080 for $1100 right now, but buying a 4080 super isn't even possible because they're discontinued. the only option there is scalper prices on ebay for a used card.
@@particle_wave7614 100%, there should be a massive push from channels to only review cards at actual prices. The difference in price is too big not to take that into consideration when talking about value.
I know one youtuber who did what you say, his is Spanish, so much people dont know about him, but he do a graphic that in one axis is the price and the other axis the fps, he used the 4090 as reference.
Not sure if there was a lot of other people doing the same but i stopped early because you'd already given me enough info with other research id absorbed to make my decision to stick with my original upgrade plans.
Same here. I'm not even in the market so it's kinda irrelevant anyway but I'd already made up my mind value wise by the time we even get to the graphs
@linus graphics cards reviews don't matter anymore, people aren't making buying decisions based on some numbers on a graph. They just want to know if it can play the latest graphics intensive game like CyberPunk@4K-HDR@300-REAL-DEAL-FPS? It's like complaining that your latest lambo hurrican review was only a little faster than last years but people are still buying lambos. Of course they are man!! :D :X
Edit: I'm still waiting for the 1000WATT 6090 (nice!) to finally get that 300 non-phony-baloney-faked-up FPS!
I have an M2 Max MacBook Pro and a PC I built a while back with a 1070 in it. I primarily play Civ VI and GW2, and both could probably run both on a toaster, so I haven't felt the need to upgrade my 1070. Having said that, I will be buying a 5090 (maybe even two).
Simply put, running LLMs locally is incredible, which I have been able to experiment with on my MacBook Pro. After the mobile revolution was started with the iPhone, nothing has been more exciting to me in the last 20 years than the possibilities with AI. The MacBook Pro is great for inference, but it's still sort of slow, and I can't really train on it. To double, or triple my inference speed and be able to fine tune LLMs quickly is something I really want to explore, and are great skills to learn. As a bonus I can finally play AAA titles at max settings again, and I get really great video encoders with AV1.
So yeah, the demand for these are going to be breathtaking. It's never going to slow down. I get the gamer perspective about the 5090 being only sort of an okay bump. They're wrong though, because for local LLM inference, it's all about memory bandwidth, and VRAM quantity. Going to 512-bit GDDR7 makes the 5090 about 50% faster on larger LLMs (32B 4-bit) than the 4090, and 32GB is just enough - although I wish it was 48GB. Come on Nvidia, please give us a 48GB "Titan AI" for $3k USD.
Anyway, we got the bump for LLMs this generation with the 5090. We're not going to see a wider memory bus next generation, and probably not more VRAM either on the 6090 - 48GB will be reserved for a Titan card, if they do it. The fact that they went with a 512-bit bus with GDDR7 VRAM tells you that the 5090 isn't just a gamer card, as that wasn't necessary for gaming. It's a dual purpose workstation and gaming card. Sign me up for one, maybe even two - if I can find one.
Reviewers: "the RTX 3060, 3060ti, 4060, 4060ti, 5080 are the worst price to performance when compared to the used market, AMD, or Intel. You should wait for price drops or buy something else."
Consumers: "Herr derr but I like the ray tracing rtx go brrrrrr dlss or something makes it all worth the 30%-100% higher price over everything else"
The most enticing thing about the 5080 at launch was the msrp. The prices on the 40 series has caused some of this rush to get a 50 series card.
I lasted a lot with my GTX 1080 Ti, I even use it in my old computer. Now I have a 4080 Super... I promise that will last a lot, A LOT, of years
I sometimes start and stop a video right away so it shows up in my Watch History later. Kind of like a mini-Watch Later list that I use for things I'll get back to later the same day.
I want intel to own the mid tier market. Because maybe gamers can win with a good value. Nvidia won't care because they are all AI now
A good workaround to the issue is to use TH-cam shorts and other such formats to show a non-graph review. If you use TH-cam shorts for this, you could still link it back to the video if people want to understand why.
well just think about it like this, my brother built got his first PC back in 2021 with a 3060, he got a prebuilt that was budget friendly, and with some of the games he's playing now he's experiencing hitching, and we all know its not smart for the average person to upgrade every generation, so he didnt even consider the 40 series for an upgrade. So now he's really eyeing up the 5090, which is said to be 2x at 3090, while he has a 3060, its going to feel like a huge upgrade for him, and theres tons of people with 20 series or 10 series thatd feel this the leap that a 5090 is to every generation except the 40. I didnt think there was going to be a supply issue this time around cause I didnt see that much excitement for the new generation of cards, just people trying to upgrade their 2+ gen old cards, but i also didnt expect them to seemingly only make 1000 5090s for the whole of the US? And if you can get the 5080 at its MRSP of 1k i can see that being enticing for some, but its vram is a sticking point for me
+ AMD nothing realase highend top card))
And theyd be better off getting a 7900xtx instead lol
I've been upgrading my PC that I built in 2018. I've hit the "brick wall" on things I can do with that and I planned on making a new PC this year for 2 reasons. First, replace my current gaming PC setup with a new PC for performance gains and all that goodness. Second, and something I haven't seen anyone else mentioning, this year they're releasing 27" 4K 240Hz OLED monitors. To me, this is the perfect size and PPI to actually no longer need anti-aliasing in games. The 32" versions are just too big for how I enjoy gaming. But to go from 1440p of my current display to 4K, I want the most performance I can throw at it so I get what I consider to be the minimum playable FPS of 100 FPS, but 120+ FPS is ideal for me. To get that FPS at 4K consistently wasn't easily possible prior to this generation. So, building a 5090 + 9800X3D PC just makes sense when you consider what I'm trying to accomplish.
Yeah, 1080 p performance actually matters, would be a good addition always
People should look at lauch day as, just, another day, let the scalpers scalp, and let those cards root on scalper's basements, until they are despare and sell those cards bellow msrp, and that, would be the trully launch day!
People who genuinely want a 50 series card have too much money to spend.
I dont want to use the quote "More money than sense." But it's feeling that way.
Don't get me wrong everything in the PC space is over priced, but If spending a couple grand is a life altering decision PC components should be the least of your worries.
I'm on a 3080 which I picked up near launch. I play on a QHD monitor. When I got the 3080, I was playing games at 120fps average. Now new games it's around 80. I skipped the 4080, so it's been over 4 years.
The 5080 is 2x the average frame rate of the 3080. Just because the generational improvement isn't much doesn't mean it's not a big upgrade for me. By not buying the 4080, my hobby fund has plenty of money in it to afford the 5080. So why shouldn't I buy one when they are available?
If we were still at the old $650 pricing for the 80 class cards and I bought the 4080, then the 5080, I would have spent $1300. So what's the problem with skipping the 4080 and buying the 5080 for that price?
@@joshwhitley4708 issue is, I do more than just gaming, the "AI" cr*p they stuff into the cards is not useful not to mention it can make games look worse.
@@junatah5903 DLSS4 is a great feature.
And buy what instead? AMD aren't competing. It's not like most people with 40 series will be upgrading.
My favorite kind of grpahics card video is a side-by-side of multiple cards running the same game on-screen.
When they talked about their viewer retention, did they ever cosniser that 2/3rd of the viewers dont care about frame gen and rt performance??? If you cover the 1080p, 1440p, and 4k raster performace and the price to performance when compared to the older cards and competion, thats all people care about most of the time. Maybe people dont care or consider RT or Fram Gen to be interesting for most of their use cases.
Your influence is understated by just looking at the viewer numbers.
The small number of nerds watching influence more people and it does put pressure on companies not to scam customers.
Without reviews you could get a new generation half as powerful as the last one but 4x fake frames for the same price.
People would pay attention if something extreme like that would happen.
This is just what most content creators feel at various points in their journey
Welcome to this world.
Some time ago we thought people were dumb beceause they weren't educated/informed, because education/information was hard to come by.
We are just about realizing that being dumb is an incurable illness and that humanity, as a whole, is about as doomed as can be. Individuals can still do fine, but overall what little sparks are left are being diluted in thick tar.
Good frogging luck to all slipping out of that.
I think a big thing to consider with review videos, is that once people have gleamed enough information, they are willing to jump off. I know several people that were hoping for a good raster uplift, and know that they stopped looking at reviews when it wasn't the case. The cards are just disappointing and once people get to that conclusion, they no longer need to watch.
here in Singapore the only 5090's available now are the Asus ones, and the cheapest is the TUF Gaming SKU going for SGD 4,999, which is ~USD 3.7k. the Astral is SGD 5,399 (~USD 4k) and the Astral LC is SGD 5,699 (~USD 4.2k). and these are retail prices.
There's a video in my history with one channel that was apparently reached out to, stateside, by a supplier, offering to sell a pallet of 100 5090s, in bulk, for $300,000.
Zach's Tech Turf was the channel.
Scalping is an insne problem.
Luke should start making local LLM comparison videos
Hey Linus, I'm one of those that dropped out of the 5090 review video. While I usually watch until the end, I dropped once I heard enough to know that the 5090 is not worth it. So I dropped the vid. I appreciate the in-depth reviews. Thanks.
I got on the hype train when I got the 30 series. I have learned now. Now I need to go over everything and get the best product.
I wonder how the graph calculates for people like me who just skip around to the bits I am interested in. The biggest issues with this release were price, knowing that availability would be very limited and I think a lot of people don't like generated frames. I want my card to push native 4k at high refresh without making things up.
I think the 5080/90 reviews should have been more bite size chunks
I think you guys do a great job with your reviews. Been following your brand for a long time, but a lot has changed for me over the years and I don't have time like I used to. I would recommend structuring your reviews with the beginning being rapid fire key points with what your average low on time consumer might want to know (rasteraztion performance at common res etc). Then, have a "if you stuck around this long, heres the full breakdown" for the remainder of the video. If that isn't feasible, consider releasing two types of videos. One that's a fast concise review, 10 minutes or less and the other a more in-depth video for those of us who may have time to fully watch and or really want to know the full specs and breakdown.
I've never heard the term micro influencer LOL that's funny. I am that guy for my family and friends. I never knew I was on the path to fame 😂. You guys keep up the great work
The supply of the 5090s was held back in so far as there was insufficient stock released for a heavily marketed launch. The 4090s were allowed to run out before launch. Now, there's an artificial impression that a 5090 is a card *to buy* despite the lacklustre game performance reviews. This isn't the blind hand of the market; it's a monopoly.
"Reviews don't matter anymore"
they never did Linus, they never did.
as someone that watched the full 5090 review, i have no desire to go to an LTT site to get missing information from future reviews. i'll just watch someone elses video
ill be real with you Linus I watched the 5080 review and just skipped til the end to get the summary
Well a few points to consider imo would be:
1. Gpus sold out yes, but how many were available in the first place?
2. There are people that watch reviews for the entertainment more than anything (myself includer)
3. I am one person that listened to reviews. I was thinking of shilling out my savings for a 5080 and thankfully I didn't because it's a horrible financial decision 😂. But your review solidified it in my mind. So you are having an impact
Don't forget retailer's taking down their website's 4090 stock and only selling them in pre-builds with older parts :)
The big viewership drop after the rasterization graphs just shows very few people care for the fake frames and "fake performance" as the real raw performance is the true deciding factor for many. Especially at such a high premium price you'd not want the crutch of DLSS or FSR to have playable high resolution frame rates.
Does the retention graph include people who only watch a bit and then come back to finish is later?
Maybe a dedicated Lab-Channel? With MORE GRAPHS and keep it more energetic and fun at LTT Main?
I’m somebody that has been planning on buying a 5080 ever since the 4090 and 7900xtx came out. I even went to my local shop to find out when they opened that day, and check if they would have any stock. But then I watched the reviews from everyone, and decided it wasn’t worth it. So we’ll see what amd comes out with (from the rumours, nothing) or when they release a 5080 super
The worst thing is that once we get past the 'launch phase' of these cards they will still be selling out.
This reminds me of an old article on iPhone reviews. Do they matter anymore? This must have been around like around iPhone XS era. That was mainly about how if you are in need for an upgrade and are an iPhone owner you’ll just upgrade (likely) to the new iPhone that’ll matches your price.
As someone still rocking a 1080ti it is disappointing to see the generation uplift, yes, if I upgraded it would be huge, however, it is disappointing to see that there hasn't been that much of a jump since, and honestly I have no need to upgrade the 1080ti still holds its own on all the games I play, even stalker 2, which is only a few months old. IDK it's just kinda sad to see that there really isn't anything substantial that has happened in the GPu space since
But Luke, it's not "One Click Away" when I'm streaming TH-cam on my TV.
They saw what scalpers were getting during the pandemic and they built their playbook based on that, also what PT Barnum said
I wonder if splitting those longer technical review videos into a series of smaller videos would help with view retention.
I have a 3060 and am considering upgrading (for Blender use), but both not sure what to upgrade to or if I'll even be able to find it to buy.
It was a global release of 2k 5090s and like 10k 5080s that is miniscule amounts in the grand scheme and it can be excused by the people who would buy no matter what, including linus who came out and said he is getting one no matter the cost
I think you guys are assuming uplifting from 40 and 30 series. For me, I’m still on a GTX 1080ti. And only the recent “Must have ray tracing cards” to play as a requirement made me be interested in an upgrade. So I was thinking “I can wait for the 50 series to release. But because of scarcity, I will wait for a while still.
I think Luke hit the nail on the head with his point about people having made up their minds about getting this series already, but wanting more performance. This generation hit at just the right time where people like myself with 30 series cards are really likely to upgrade.
I think I watched the 5090 video in full but couldn't say for sure. I was able to determine pretty quickly that I will not be buying any 50-series card so the significance of the details was fairly low for me. That may be a factor for others as well
I missed the good old time from 2014 when you can actually by 80 series/high-end gpu after you watch the performance from tech reviewers
If i wasn't a computer engineering major and really interested in seeing the actual results of the 5090 i wouldn't have watched the whole video most likely
Microcenter in my area had exactly zero 5090s on "launch day". This wasn't a launch, it was an insult.
"Does what you do matter?".......yes!! I jumped off early based on the information that was provided early in the video, showing that the cost-to-benefit ratio was nothing to write home about. I have made multiple purchases on things you have reviewed and find what you provide to the community is so needed.
A review video should be about why i should buy it , for what reason, and what alternatives i have , not overly complicated graphs
If I want to see graphs, I watch Hardware Unboxed. Then I skim though the videos from others to see if they generally agree. Paul's Hardware was unable to get a review done on time, so instead did a summary of what all the other reviewers found -- it was good and he mentioned that it was quite popular.
Sold out yeah, when a store only get 5 cards and 8 people stand in line for them...
As a 4090 owner, my only upgrade path is a 5090-and to be honest, I couldn’t be happier about it because I know I don't need the upgrade at all... And no, I don't use it for video games. LOL