Thank you for uploading these, I listened to them on cassette when I was a kid. Talking with my fellow nerds, none of them knew of this series. The Valley of the Jedi is quite the long lost treasure!
I like how in the first book Kyle is a soldier for the empire, in the second book he's a rebel agent, and by the third book he's a Jedi Knight. The progression is wonderful.
It reminds me of the Darth Bane Trilogy how he starts out as a soldier for the Brotherhood, then he becomes a Sith Apprentice and later Lord Bane. He then takes on the title of Darth and kills the Brotherhood in the second book to become the embodiment of The Darkside by the third book.
@@wnrr2696 The Valley of the Jedi is the site where the thought bomb was set off in the first Darth Bane book, thats what trapped all the jedi souls to the location
I bought Dark Forces Remastered months back and brought me some good nostalgia. And this is my second binge of listening to these audio dramas. I appreciate you uploading them for all of us to hear.
What a find on Christmas Day… this audio drama is a tie in to perhaps one of the greatest Star Wars games and one of the EU’s greatest characters. Awesome 👏
@@harrykearns5508 Thats true, one day alot of people in society are going to realize this, digital media, "digital everything" may seem more "efficient", but it's not always better. It's best to always keep physical media too, as proof you have the original versions, just in case corporations come in and change up things. Or licensing agreements change over time and you find entries libraries of your movies or games deleted or removed. Seems most unlikely but it can happen
@@RaikenXion Yeah even if I own a copy of a game on steam, if I really like it, I always try to go for the physical disc. Still have these six audiodrama discs of course.
First time I've heard this. Thank you for the upload. When we hear these sort of Star Wars stories, it's such a shame that Kyle and Jan were not used in the movies, especially Rogue One.
Kyle walks inside his home, then walks into his father's workshop. Man, that is NOT how I remember it going down as a kid lol I spent days wondering how his dad built a dam and mine between the kitchen and his workshop, AND that irrigation system a half mile above a pit haha.
God, the force conversation with Rhan and the use of Yoda's Theme is just so perfectly done... easily on par with its counterpart in Empire. Same for the use of score throughout all the Dark Forces audiobooks, they knew how to hit you in the feels.
If youve played darkforces 1 and 2 kyles voice sounds like this it doesnt change until jedi knight where hes older snd raspier thst might be the voice youre thinking of.
Kyle, Jan...Morgan...Jerric, Dark Jedi... Imperial Remnant...THIS WAS....NO THIS IS STAR WARS AND ONE IF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS AND STORIES since I was a child. Thanks to my Mother for introducing me to this Galaxy Far Far away as a boy who was always sick due to asthma...and THIS Star Wars in the 90s was my get away in my imagination. Then I played on my first PC thanks to my Mother...DARK FORCES 2 JEDI KNIGHT. The graphics were wanky looking but the adventures I had...can't be replaced at all. I miss this version of STAR WARS and Disney will not take it away! This will always be canon to me as the Disney version in my heart and mind are "Legend Stories".
I really like the Dark Forces trilogy and especially these magnificent audio dramas. The story of Dark Forces isn't perfect, but has a great potential of being turned into a show.
Why do people always beg for great stories like this or great Star Wars books to be turned into a movie or a show ? Just enjoy the greatness and stop begging and thinking everything should be a movie
Damn they really made Mon Mothma unsympathetic in this story.Why would she even think that Kyle would turn on them after six years of working for the rebellion and dealing with the dark troopers?It's a year after the Emperor died as well.That's not really the best time to betray them.Does she have some personal grudge against him?
The sound design and editing on these programs is beyond limits. Just fantastic. The only part they didn't get quite right is the Stormtroopers' voices. Which is odd, considering the Jedi Knight game NAILED them...
@Star Killer Hell YES!!! I can't wait for this to happen. Luke taking Grogu at end of The Mandalorian season 2, completely contradicts the sequels backstory, of Ben Solo supposedly being Luke's first ever student lol. And when Luke says "Talent without Training" that was a direct jab at Rey being a pure mary sue in the sequels. He can never openly admit it, not even around Hollywood town (cause he would loose his job), but you can tell Favreau really does not like the sequels lol. And Filloni knows how to play the system in Lucasfilm, he got himself some "work experience" sitting in on Rian Johnson directing scenes for TLJ, all the while Dave covertly got his "World Between Worlds" idea into the sequels. This clever little flaw will come in handy in some years to come once Kennedy is gone, because together Jon & Dave can use the WBW idea to establish the sequel trilogy as existing in a (like you said) "alternative dimension" or timeline whichever sounds better. One way it can be done is if you've ever saw the move BvS, Flash speaks to Bruce Wayne from the future through a portal-window in time, warning him that Lois is the key. Well it can be theorized that Ahsoka visits the World Between Worlds, and through one of the portals she is able to see a window showing a young woman clad in white, holding her master's lightsaber, doing battle with the evil Emperor Palpatine in another future and time. Ahsoka is so horrified by this, wanting desperately to help the woman in some way, but knowing she cannot physically pass through to intervene and help her. Ahsoka hears the woman call out through the force, to any Jedi to give her strength to defeat the evil. At this point many past Jedi throughout time all lend their voice to the young woman, and Ahsoka hears all these voices call out to the woman - "Rey", they all say, or - "you can do it Rey", and Ahsoka calls out "Rey." This theory idea backs up what Dave Filloni himself said when responding to a fan's question, on whether Ahsoka is actually dead at the time of the sequels; to-which Dave said - "who said Ahsoka is dead?" So this backs up the idea that Ahsoka's voice thats heard in TROS calling out to Rey, is not of her as a force-ghost, but of her calling out to Rey through the force, from the World Between Worlds, which can show that the sequels movies exist in their own, separate timeline. This then frees Jon & Dave to re-write and whole NEW and DIFFERENT series of events, through all their spin-off shows starting from The Mandalorian.
@@jacobfillmore9764 Well it looks like i was wrong. Kennedy found out about Jon Favreau secretly trying to retcon the sequels under her nose, and she ordered those guys to use thier BOBF show to reuinte Grogu with Mando ASAP, effectively cancelling Favreau's retcon plans. So the dream is over - "All Roads Lead to the Sequels" now.
It worked for fresh face imperial academy graduate Kyle. But not gruff been a rebel agent for 5 years, badass jedi gunslinger, soon to be jedi battlemaster.
The voice is closer to the original Kyle Katarn from the first two games. He sounds different in Jedi Outcast & Jedi Academy, i guess you think of that voice as "badass", which it is...but not how he used to sound.
@@prince-solomon i disagree, Nick Jameson's original voice from Dark Forces back in 1995 was much more badass than this one. But it was a video game, this Is like a radio show from the 40s.
basically this is a better and more detailed and more thought out plot and everything of what Star Wars Rogue One is. I can get behind this story in how they got the plans and the villians and characters are way more interesting as well. I remember watching my dad play the game when I was a young kid and it's cool now as an adult listening to the story withing the universe and how it all connects.
Ah yea, kyle getting the biggest assignment ever while being in the rebellion for literally 2 minutes by mon mothma herself while being on the empires hit list and having no infiltration experience, walking in the place, grabbing the plans with the minimum help of a former roommate who is now a low ranking officer and getting out without a single casualty is muuuuch better than what rogue one delivered. Be for real bro. Be for real. Its your nostalgia.
Dark Lords of the Sith is already posted. If you're talking about The Sith War, it hasnt been made. Dont know why youre commenting this here instead of on that video
I think it's the same voice actor, Kyle doesn't come in until about half-way into part 1. He sounds too much like a teen though, which I don't think quite fits Kyle, he's always portrayed as kind of gruff and to the point, which he doesn't really come off as here
Poor Kyle. First that 2nd rate imitator "Andor" stole his job. Now he's stolen his Bryar Blaster too! At least he cant steal his Lightsaber. Y'know being the schmuck got himself *atomized.* Ha.
The voices n everything are amazing but so far the story doeeees seem very self-insert'y. Hero title super young, Meets lando for no reason, his dad is the leader of a rebel cell, he is in the rebel alliance for 2 minutes and is offered quite literally the most important assignment ever: securing the death star plans- that apparently anyone with imperial ties knows about like the captain of that yacht- AND literally just walks in the place, takes rm and gets out with the help of a low ranking officer who was his roommate. A 2 man job and one of them is a rookie who doesnt even wanna work for the rebellion. And now the iconic boba fett knows and "fears" him,8t88 comes after him and acts like a dumbahh spouting into kyles face that hes gonna kill him giving him time to prepair and the bounty hunters keep monologing WHILE keeping their guard down. And naturally theres a "super weapon" (the valley) that his father randomly stumbles on with the power to wipe out star systems effortlessly. Like, lets be fr for a sec
Aaaand now luke and leia are here and treating kyle like hes a legend Aaaaaaand kyle beats a trained powerful dark jedi jahn effortlessly with mere Imperial academy combat training Stormtroopers are stupid around MCs, the usual and an officer on a fuel station doesnt know why you should drain fuel pipes while under attack. Oof. Yeah im just gonna stop making notes, theres something new every 5 minutes. Ik its old but i think people exaggerate hard when they say the writting is better than disneys stuff.
@v-Lex-v comparing 1 story and one character does not undo the amount of slop disney has cranked out. This story, while not the best the EU has to offer, is better than the sequel trilogy, book of Boba fett, Ahsoka, Mando seasons 2 and 3 and the Acolyte. Only things like andor and mando season 1, are better or on par.
@dangerousboxx666 not defending disney, never did, this just seems as bad if not worse than most of disneys stuff, just really dont see the hype around it. Feels a lot more like people just love it because they grew up with the games. Same way i can say i adored the TFU games as a kid but i can say that Starkiller is also basically a ridiculous self insert.
I LOVE Dark Forces and Kyle Katarn, but Dietz wrote these like they were back in the 1950's. Some of the phrases used are cringey....... "Keep it down you big blowhard!" WTF?
"Rey is a Mary Sue" be damned! I love Kyle, but let me be the first to say the dude had no business being officially knighted by Luke Skywalker at the end. Dude mowed down a couple'a Dark Jedi without any real training of any kind, especially for someone who didn't use short-range melee weapons. If we're willing to accept this, then we need to accept either Rey or that the fanbase is sexist.
I wouldnt go as far as to call everyone sexist for not liking her over a better fleshed out character. If Kyle Katarn were a woman, it wouldnt change the character at their core.
It's more than just the fact that Rey is hyper competent. It's that she is just a poorly written character all around. No strong personal motive or drive, she never makes any meaningful mistakes, never gets embarrassed, puts the skills of multiple previously established characters to shame (sometimes right in front of them) -- including mechanical knowhow, pulling off piloting maneuvers more elaborate than anything we see in any other work of Star Wars fiction ever written, skill with a blaster, skill with a lightsaber, and prowess in The Force -- is morally perfect with a flat personality, is more or less instantly liked or at least respected by nearly every character she encounters, and barely needs any allies to do anything for her. Kyle, while the progression of his power curve is rushed, is still a small part of a larger team. He consistently needs others to save or help him. He makes mistakes in judgement, he has moral flaws, and it still takes him almost a decade to fully come into his own as a great Jedi. Also, regarding his ability to take down the Dark Jedi, it should be taken into account that the Dark Jedi haven't really practiced against worthy opponents in years; they've gotten sloppy and overconfident after spending so long just slaughtering opponents who can't even use The Force.
Thank you for uploading these, I listened to them on cassette when I was a kid. Talking with my fellow nerds, none of them knew of this series. The Valley of the Jedi is quite the long lost treasure!
Yes 🙌 and you can get more of it listening to the Darth bane audiobook
I like how in the first book Kyle is a soldier for the empire, in the second book he's a rebel agent, and by the third book he's a Jedi Knight. The progression is wonderful.
It reminds me of the Darth Bane Trilogy how he starts out as a soldier for the Brotherhood, then he becomes a Sith Apprentice and later Lord Bane. He then takes on the title of Darth and kills the Brotherhood in the second book to become the embodiment of The Darkside by the third book.
Masterful writing. I've listened to that audiobook trilogy at least three times now and now I'm thinking of listening to it again after this series.
Only starting these Audio books so have no idea about any of that but so excited for them :D
@@NinjaSushi2 Idk what Bane trilogy you've read since all the events you listed happened in the first novel.
I wish my career progressed like that.
A rebel named Kyle, and a jedi named Ron.
Still better than any disney production
Edit: Rahn.
Rahn*, his full name is Qu Rahn.
SO GOOD!!! I never realized the connection this story has with the Darth Bane trilogy 🤯🤯🤯
I’m not all the way through that or I missed that bit what was it?
@@wnrr2696 The Valley of the Jedi is the site where the thought bomb was set off in the first Darth Bane book, thats what trapped all the jedi souls to the location
Yes i realized it when he was talking about the bouncers lol i like it gave a update of the planet
It does?! Can't wait to get that far. Lol just started listening.
Ah yes. Russan and the bouncers and the agonized souls of the damned.
Wow. This gives so much backstory to the games !
I really want to play the games again. I was so young when these released.
I bought Dark Forces Remastered months back and brought me some good nostalgia. And this is my second binge of listening to these audio dramas. I appreciate you uploading them for all of us to hear.
Thanks for uploading this! Thank goodness for no ads. It was a seamless experience!
What a find on Christmas Day… this audio drama is a tie in to perhaps one of the greatest Star Wars games and one of the EU’s greatest characters. Awesome 👏
Man! I just paid $30 for the three on audio tape....Thanks for the upload....
Hey they’re always value for physical media!
@@harrykearns5508 Thats true, one day alot of people in society are going to realize this, digital media, "digital everything" may seem more "efficient", but it's not always better. It's best to always keep physical media too, as proof you have the original versions, just in case corporations come in and change up things. Or licensing agreements change over time and you find entries libraries of your movies or games deleted or removed.
Seems most unlikely but it can happen
@@RaikenXion yes! One day all of this could be scrubbed from the internet. It’s always good to have physical copies bc those can’t be taken away
@@RaikenXion Yeah even if I own a copy of a game on steam, if I really like it, I always try to go for the physical disc. Still have these six audiodrama discs of course.
@@MrPoke 👍
First time I've heard this. Thank you for the upload. When we hear these sort of Star Wars stories, it's such a shame that Kyle and Jan were not used in the movies, especially Rogue One.
That's what I was thinking. Kyle and Jan recovered the plans not those idiots in Rogue One.
Rogue One was a disaster. This arc was so much more appropriate and seamless within the universe. Crimes the mainstream will never understand
@@DreamwalkerFilms Andor was amazing
Screw Disney . All Disney Star Wars is fake fan fiction trash . All expanded universe and the original 6 movies are real Star Wars !
@@user-yl4lf9mh1w Andor, Mando, Fallen Order are all overrated and are mid/mediocre/decent/okay at best, average or even below average at worst.
Kyle walks inside his home, then walks into his father's workshop. Man, that is NOT how I remember it going down as a kid lol I spent days wondering how his dad built a dam and mine between the kitchen and his workshop, AND that irrigation system a half mile above a pit haha.
The sound effects are unbelievable. Love it!
Really enjoying the focus on 8t88 in this. He's even more unpleasant than in DF2.
honestly 8t88 i think both work but like i do like how he has a lot more dialouge then in the game.
God, the force conversation with Rhan and the use of Yoda's Theme is just so perfectly done... easily on par with its counterpart in Empire. Same for the use of score throughout all the Dark Forces audiobooks, they knew how to hit you in the feels.
If youve played darkforces 1 and 2 kyles voice sounds like this it doesnt change until jedi knight where hes older snd raspier thst might be the voice youre thinking of.
Awesome upload. Interesting listening again now we have rogue one. I hope this stuff isn't totally forgotten.
Rogue one is fake fan fic trash Disney
Thank you for the upload! I really enjoyed listening ❤️
Kyle, Jan...Morgan...Jerric, Dark Jedi... Imperial Remnant...THIS WAS....NO THIS IS STAR WARS AND ONE IF MY FAVORITE CHARACTERS AND STORIES since I was a child.
Thanks to my Mother for introducing me to this Galaxy Far Far away as a boy who was always sick due to asthma...and THIS Star Wars in the 90s was my get away in my imagination.
Then I played on my first PC thanks to my Mother...DARK FORCES 2 JEDI KNIGHT.
The graphics were wanky looking but the adventures I had...can't be replaced at all.
I miss this version of STAR WARS and Disney will not take it away! This will always be canon to me as the Disney version in my heart and mind are "Legend Stories".
I really like the Dark Forces trilogy and especially these magnificent audio dramas.
The story of Dark Forces isn't perfect, but has a great potential of being turned into a show.
Why do people always beg for great stories like this or great Star Wars books to be turned into a movie or a show ?
Just enjoy the greatness and stop begging and thinking everything should be a movie
@bigbird2240 especially considering Disney's nasty habit of lobotomizing the characters
@@bigbird2240💯💯👏🏻👏🏻
@@jeremyallen5974💯
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This is just a bookmark, you can ignore this
Damn they really made Mon Mothma unsympathetic in this story.Why would she even think that Kyle would turn on them after six years of working for the rebellion and dealing with the dark troopers?It's a year after the Emperor died as well.That's not really the best time to betray them.Does she have some personal grudge against him?
The sound design and editing on these programs is beyond limits. Just fantastic. The only part they didn't get quite right is the Stormtroopers' voices. Which is odd, considering the Jedi Knight game NAILED them...
Thank you for this!
Oh I'm so glad you put the time In @hi bridge
On a scale of 1 - 7 Rebel Scum, this is a solid 5.
This is why the new movies are shall we say. Not so good.
Thas putting it mildly, infact thats rather too kind tbh lol.
@Star Killer Hell YES!!! I can't wait for this to happen. Luke taking Grogu at end of The Mandalorian season 2, completely contradicts the sequels backstory, of Ben Solo supposedly being Luke's first ever student lol. And when Luke says "Talent without Training" that was a direct jab at Rey being a pure mary sue in the sequels. He can never openly admit it, not even around Hollywood town (cause he would loose his job), but you can tell Favreau really does not like the sequels lol.
And Filloni knows how to play the system in Lucasfilm, he got himself some "work experience" sitting in on Rian Johnson directing scenes for TLJ, all the while Dave covertly got his "World Between Worlds" idea into the sequels.
This clever little flaw will come in handy in some years to come once Kennedy is gone, because together Jon & Dave can use the WBW idea to establish the sequel trilogy as existing in a (like you said) "alternative dimension" or timeline whichever sounds better.
One way it can be done is if you've ever saw the move BvS, Flash speaks to Bruce Wayne from the future through a portal-window in time, warning him that Lois is the key.
Well it can be theorized that Ahsoka visits the World Between Worlds, and through one of the portals she is able to see a window showing a young woman clad in white, holding her master's lightsaber, doing battle with the evil Emperor Palpatine in another future and time.
Ahsoka is so horrified by this, wanting desperately to help the woman in some way, but knowing she cannot physically pass through to intervene and help her. Ahsoka hears the woman call out through the force, to any Jedi to give her strength to defeat the evil.
At this point many past Jedi throughout time all lend their voice to the young woman, and Ahsoka hears all these voices call out to the woman - "Rey", they all say, or - "you can do it Rey", and Ahsoka calls out "Rey."
This theory idea backs up what Dave Filloni himself said when responding to a fan's question, on whether Ahsoka is actually dead at the time of the sequels; to-which Dave said - "who said Ahsoka is dead?"
So this backs up the idea that Ahsoka's voice thats heard in TROS calling out to Rey, is not of her as a force-ghost, but of her calling out to Rey through the force, from the World Between Worlds, which can show that the sequels movies exist in their own, separate timeline.
This then frees Jon & Dave to re-write and whole NEW and DIFFERENT series of events, through all their spin-off shows starting from The Mandalorian.
Don't be nice about it. Call them what they are... absolute crap.
@@RaikenXion I believe grogu becoming lukes first student was meant to retcon kylo being the first so you might be right
@@jacobfillmore9764 Well it looks like i was wrong. Kennedy found out about Jon Favreau secretly trying to retcon the sequels under her nose, and she ordered those guys to use thier BOBF show to reuinte Grogu with Mando ASAP, effectively cancelling Favreau's retcon plans.
So the dream is over - "All Roads Lead to the Sequels" now.
Rhan: does that answer comfort you?
Kyle: sounds suspiciously you're trying to break it to me that I'm dead in the nicest way possible but continue.
Is that the Droid holding the halo disc in the picture?
Yep sure is
Man I'm going to be sad when I'm done with all these audio productions.
love all of 18-88's dialouge
What canon should of been.
man who knew the games story was under 3 hours lol
This happens between the games not during the games.
Thank you for this. With the failure of kenobi I'm going back into Lucasfilm archives to find stuff like this instead.
sorry kenobi was a failure to you but ok
Smart man.
@@jeffersonbrooks728 of course it’s a failure because it’s fake fan fiction trash like all Disney
If want real kenobi story listen to the kenobi audiobook from the real Star Wars expanded universe. All Disney is fake fan fic
Pretty good!
Yes!!!
Not sure I like how easily those dark Jedi were dispatched
I do prefer the game's narrative, when things contradict!
I have this on cassette haha lol
Thank you very much for the complete Dark Forces audio book saga! Although Kyle's voice doesn't quite fit with the character. ; - )
Lol yeah. He sounds like he has no facial hair lol.
@@randysavage1 hahaha, yeah, that's right!
It worked for fresh face imperial academy graduate Kyle. But not gruff been a rebel agent for 5 years, badass jedi gunslinger, soon to be jedi battlemaster.
The voice is closer to the original Kyle Katarn from the first two games. He sounds different in Jedi Outcast & Jedi Academy, i guess you think of that voice as "badass", which it is...but not how he used to sound.
@@prince-solomon i disagree, Nick Jameson's original voice from Dark Forces back in 1995 was much more badass than this one. But it was a video game, this Is like a radio show from the 40s.
Enjoying this Star Wars classic instead of getting disappointed by Disney SW.
I find it a huge shame that they skipped the majority of Dark Forces 1
i know right!
basically this is a better and more detailed and more thought out plot and everything of what Star Wars Rogue One is. I can get behind this story in how they got the plans and the villians and characters are way more interesting as well. I remember watching my dad play the game when I was a young kid and it's cool now as an adult listening to the story withing the universe and how it all connects.
Ah yea, kyle getting the biggest assignment ever while being in the rebellion for literally 2 minutes by mon mothma herself while being on the empires hit list and having no infiltration experience, walking in the place, grabbing the plans with the minimum help of a former roommate who is now a low ranking officer and getting out without a single casualty is muuuuch better than what rogue one delivered.
Be for real bro. Be for real. Its your nostalgia.
Was this book b4 or after Bane
before
way before
This book is way after bane's book
@@Rogue_Rando if you mean timeline-wise, then yes it's way after. Release date is before
@@Rogue_Rando after ??? 1997 is when this book came out and the Bane series started 2006 ... you did say book and not timeline
When are you going to post tales of the jedi dark lord of the sith part 2?
Dark Lords of the Sith is already posted. If you're talking about The Sith War, it hasnt been made. Dont know why youre commenting this here instead of on that video
@@MrPoke I'm talking about the sith wars where exar kun became an spirit
He sounds older, but way too much older for 5 years
I think it's the same voice actor, Kyle doesn't come in until about half-way into part 1. He sounds too much like a teen though, which I don't think quite fits Kyle, he's always portrayed as kind of gruff and to the point, which he doesn't really come off as here
That’s not kyle in the beginning it’s his father
Is that Ron Jedi Kelsey Grammer lol
Are these books or comics?
Even though the novellas were published by Dark Horse, they're books
Books and video games
Everything is so good except Kyle's voice actor. He's a great voice actor he just doesn't sound like Kyle.
Keep in mind that Kyle's voice changed three times across the different games.
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Poor Kyle. First that 2nd rate imitator "Andor" stole his job. Now he's stolen his Bryar Blaster too! At least he cant steal his Lightsaber. Y'know being the schmuck got himself *atomized.*
Ha.
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Oof seems they got the date for this adventure wrong, it's a good ways before leua married han
Too many commercials
Now thats a True StarWars storie not that 7 8 and rise of garbage god damn it. Why not Palpatone use the order 66 on the 7 8 and 9 movie
Goooood , goooood , good Anakin
❤
The voices n everything are amazing but so far the story doeeees seem very self-insert'y.
Hero title super young, Meets lando for no reason, his dad is the leader of a rebel cell, he is in the rebel alliance for 2 minutes and is offered quite literally the most important assignment ever: securing the death star plans- that apparently anyone with imperial ties knows about like the captain of that yacht- AND literally just walks in the place, takes rm and gets out with the help of a low ranking officer who was his roommate. A 2 man job and one of them is a rookie who doesnt even wanna work for the rebellion.
And now the iconic boba fett knows and "fears" him,8t88 comes after him and acts like a dumbahh spouting into kyles face that hes gonna kill him giving him time to prepair and the bounty hunters keep monologing WHILE keeping their guard down.
And naturally theres a "super weapon" (the valley) that his father randomly stumbles on with the power to wipe out star systems effortlessly.
Like, lets be fr for a sec
Aaaand now luke and leia are here and treating kyle like hes a legend
Aaaaaaand kyle beats a trained powerful dark jedi jahn effortlessly with mere Imperial academy combat training
Stormtroopers are stupid around MCs, the usual and an officer on a fuel station doesnt know why you should drain fuel pipes while under attack.
Oof. Yeah im just gonna stop making notes, theres something new every 5 minutes. Ik its old but i think people exaggerate hard when they say the writting is better than disneys stuff.
@v-Lex-v while this isn't the best piece of EU media, it is better than disney slop.
@dangerousboxx666 yeaaaah, i dont know. Kyle seems a lot more Mary Sue than Rey and thats HARD
@v-Lex-v comparing 1 story and one character does not undo the amount of slop disney has cranked out. This story, while not the best the EU has to offer, is better than the sequel trilogy, book of Boba fett, Ahsoka, Mando seasons 2 and 3 and the Acolyte. Only things like andor and mando season 1, are better or on par.
@dangerousboxx666 not defending disney, never did, this just seems as bad if not worse than most of disneys stuff, just really dont see the hype around it. Feels a lot more like people just love it because they grew up with the games. Same way i can say i adored the TFU games as a kid but i can say that Starkiller is also basically a ridiculous self insert.
Why is everyone saying this is good? This is shit compared to a New Hope radio drama
48:50 this exchange is just silly and wordy and drawn out!
Its not horrible but definitely feels overrated
I LOVE Dark Forces and Kyle Katarn, but Dietz wrote these like they were back in the 1950's. Some of the phrases used are cringey.......
"Keep it down you big blowhard!"
WTF?
This is great. Why is Disney so threatened by strong white male characters? This will always be canon to me.
"Rey is a Mary Sue" be damned! I love Kyle, but let me be the first to say the dude had no business being officially knighted by Luke Skywalker at the end. Dude mowed down a couple'a Dark Jedi without any real training of any kind, especially for someone who didn't use short-range melee weapons. If we're willing to accept this, then we need to accept either Rey or that the fanbase is sexist.
You are a reyboy
I wouldnt go as far as to call everyone sexist for not liking her over a better fleshed out character. If Kyle Katarn were a woman, it wouldnt change the character at their core.
It's more than just the fact that Rey is hyper competent.
It's that she is just a poorly written character all around. No strong personal motive or drive, she never makes any meaningful mistakes, never gets embarrassed, puts the skills of multiple previously established characters to shame (sometimes right in front of them) -- including mechanical knowhow, pulling off piloting maneuvers more elaborate than anything we see in any other work of Star Wars fiction ever written, skill with a blaster, skill with a lightsaber, and prowess in The Force -- is morally perfect with a flat personality, is more or less instantly liked or at least respected by nearly every character she encounters, and barely needs any allies to do anything for her.
Kyle, while the progression of his power curve is rushed, is still a small part of a larger team. He consistently needs others to save or help him. He makes mistakes in judgement, he has moral flaws, and it still takes him almost a decade to fully come into his own as a great Jedi. Also, regarding his ability to take down the Dark Jedi, it should be taken into account that the Dark Jedi haven't really practiced against worthy opponents in years; they've gotten sloppy and overconfident after spending so long just slaughtering opponents who can't even use The Force.
@@ArvelDrethor people that don't have their hands tied behind their backs
Cuz a lot haven’t read these books
It’s the most forgotten legends trilogy