Adding CITRIC ACID to SOAP?! How and Why?
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- In this video, I show you how and why I add citric acid to my soap. I also walk you through my soap making process and discuss the benefits of adding citric acid to soap.
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Thanks for the shout out! Nice catch. And by experience, citric acid in soap does accelerate trace. When I add it, I add it at trace and not at the same time as my lye solution.
Looks like the assumption I posted earlier was wrong. Will have to look at the chemistry.
Nice to know results of procedures before I start experimenting. Leads to fewer questionable results.
Time for more coffee.
@@galenrog lol Just like adding a fast moving fragrance at the end give you a little more time. I have been doing so in my salt water soap video. But I didn’t try to swirl or colour that one.
Ooo, that's a good idea. I'm assuming it needs to be pre-disolved before adding to the soap batter?
@@jennifertittle2081 yes I do add it as a diluted solution.
Hello Arianne, do you dialute the citric acid with water before adding in after light trace. ? I've been adding it to my water solution then adding the addition lye all in one go.. interesting that it speeds up trace..
you can go up to 3% of your oil weight if the water in your area is very hard and want to get rid of soap scum on your sink, tub and even your skin.
example:
3% of 2100g (oil)= 63g citric acid
63g x 0.571 (standard) = 36g (extra Lye)
- add the citric acid to the water
- wait for it to completely dissolve
- add the lye and stir VERY carefully
- it is hotter than a citric acid free lye solution.
happy soaping 🥰
Thanks for the calulations
Thank you so much for this!❤
I have been adding citric acid to my soap formula for at least 6 months. I have not experienced it accelerating trace but I’m pretty religious about soaping between 85 and 90 degrees for both lye water and oils. It definitely helped to boost lather.
It’s doesn’t speed trace for me soaping at 110-120 either but I only use 1%.
besides reducing soap scum, citric acid will act as a preservative and in the case of extreme superfatting, will eliminate DOS.
I use citric acid up to 5% of the oil weight in all my soaps because we have very hard water (like a rock) and didn't ever notice acceleration of trace. I added the citric acid to my destilled water before I add the lye and give that mixture into the oils. In addition I soap always with salt, sugar, kaolin and oatmeal (except for dish soaps: no oatmeal and no kaolin). Salt and sugar to the water for the lye solution, kaolin and oatmeal to the oils. All my soaps regardless of the formulation have a great lather and are very smoothing on the skin. And no soap got moldy or bad even after two years of storage.
What percentages do you use salt and sugar in your soap recipe ?
@@ChannelThanurisugar: 2 teaspoons, salt: 1 teaspoon for 500 g oils.
When do you add the sugar?
@@canniaguilar3570 first salt, then sugar, then citric acid, then the lye to the mixture.
@@sannesia3595 awesome thank you so much 😊 🙏🏽
Jerika, I love how down home you are and that we have so many similarities as soapers. It gives me hope and inspiration that my business can grow as yours has. Thank you so much for your open and honest content, as it really helps us other soapers see that we're all in the same boats with how our products turn out and that we all have the opportunity to be successful. I am so happy for you and your growth and have loved watching your journey as a business woman AND am so happy for you that you've got a beautiful new dream workshop. I wish the best for you!
I watched her as well and I learn so much from her channel that's where I got my soaping ideas and techniques from. Love this channel
Beautiful soap Jerika! Thanks for the love🥰
Yes, Tellervo is the absolute bomb! I've been watching her for a long time and she is the one who inspired me to make my first CP....I bought her book earlier this year. 😍👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾👍🏾
That turned out so pretty!! Love the colors and the glitter!
Beautiful 😍 as always ❤️ I genuinely love you and Ariane Arsenault you are both true inspirations for me and a huge reason I started making soap few years back and still watch you both almost daily. I hope to become as talented as you both are one day!
Can't wait to hear about the final result in four weeks! Thank you so much for sharing!
Oh my! I have been there p,entry of times! I always use a whisk to blend in color and fragrance with a new scent or recipe, just as an added little measure. Sometimes this still happens and the panic is so real! It turned out lovely. Wish I could smell it! Also, the multi bar cutter is a DREAM! I got mine as a birthday gift last year because I wouldn’t break down and buy it. Saves time and it’s highly satisfying to hear the little cling it makes when it gets through the loaf!
I love your channel. Thank you for sharing your knowledge Jerika. I tried using 2% Citric Acid for the first time and I experienced massive acceleration. It seemed fine up to a point and then it just went from very light trace to very, very thick almost instantly. My lye and soap were both 90 degrees. My soap also cracked almost immediately.
Soap came out fantastic. I love Tellervo videos and as a new soap maker began using it because of her videos. Just waiting for them to cure to see the difference. Great work!
It turned out beautifully!!! ❤️
Thank you Jerika for always bringing great information to add in soap creating. I'm going to be trying this out! I will let you know how it worked out!! 😊😊❤🇨🇦🇹🇹🇯🇲
Thanks for sharing! I’ve actually been wanting to try using citric. The info is soooo helpful❤️
Looks gorgeous💕 I use pomegranate FO in the past and it always accelerates.
Thanks for the citric acid tip! I’m going to have to give it a try. Relaxing is nice to watch, but I think most of us are more on the messy/chaotic side irl lol.
Looks great Jerika!
Turned out amazing
Great job Jerika! I’ve been thinking about adding CA to mine because a lot of people around here have hard water. Not sure though if I will yet, because so far, people are loving the lather mine produce. I think I will do what you did and make a small batch and try it. Thank you so much. I love seeing you try different things, it’s a lot of fun!
Thanks so much! It was so easy to do!
I also add citric acid to all ny soaps after watching tellervo.
None of my soaps have ever accelerated so far.
I've carried on ,because I've found no scum and we have quite hard water where we live so j was impressed! With this tip !
Beautiful soap!! Thank you for sharing
I use citric acid too in all my soaps now to help with longer shelf life, reducing chance of dos and to improve lather in hard water :)
Thankfully where I live the water is considered to be very soft. I love Tellervo videos too. I have seen others that used citric acid have acceleration in their batters. Your soap still turned out really beautiful.
Beautiful! I love the swirl, it looks like flame’s. When I make soap ever Sunday I take all my food storage buckets I bought for soap making and I measure out my hard oils, melt them then I add them to the bucket w the soft oil’s and I mix it,then mark the buckets. They all have lids. Lol
I freeze my water that I use for my lye solution. When I wanna make soap I grab a bucket I do my lye over the ice and it’s 100% fume n scent free. I mix it and I let it sit till it’s clear. Usually 20 minutes. Then I dump the lye solution in my butters and oils. Give the oil’s a good mix before u combine them.
It save’s so much time. I’m extremely impatient I have to say.
This sounds like a huge time saver! I definitely need to try this!
Adding citric acid not only improves lather but it also increases shelf life - another big plus! Tellervo makes everything look easy (lol) and I started adding it as well thanks to her. I've found soaping cooler definitely helps! ;)
If Alfa Hydroxy Acid got in your eyes would you end up with low vision? Would end up with blurry vision if Alfa Hydroxide Acid got in your eyes?
Thank u for showing this. U did a great job
I have only ever used it in my dish soap, so I haven't noticed if it accelerates or not. I'll have to try it in my regular recipe and see if I can tell a difference (especially since we have such hard water!).
I've also watched Tellervo's channel and there's something about her videos that's so relaxing and calming, i loved watching you make this but the part where the soap was starting to trace so quickly really freaked me out 😅 but overall the soap still turned out so beautiful ❤️
Her videos are amazing!!! Mine are definitely more chaotic haha!
Hahaha we love yours too, variety is the spice of life 😊❤️
I hear that if you get acid in your eye it can lead to vision loss but can it lead to permanent vision loss?
This was interesting, I never thought about using citric acid
Love the colors! I always say, glitter puts a sparkle on the not so pretty soaps. I do it often.. lol 😆
I have the pour spouts too and I stopped using them I went to the dollar store and got the 2 cup plastic ones and they work so much better.
Hi Jerika, Citric acid also reduces soap scum which is the main reason most of us Soapers use it.
Thank for sharing I was also on the fence on using citric acid but watching a lot of tellvero videos and yours I think I'm ready 😤
Hi guys great video glad to see you are settling in in your new place. Kathy from Cali😎
I put citric acid and I haven't had this issue, but I soap at 80 degrees, both oils and lye water. So maybe temperature is the issue and the fragrance gets really warm. That is obvious that it heats up if you got cracks. So, yes I'd say temperature played a big role in this case. I think I'd soap cooler and maybe try a fragrance you know won't excellerate trace.
I checked out Winston and Walter and they are to pricey. I have been using Workshop Heritage here in the US. They have several molds and they are about one third the price. There molds aren't as long, but I use mostly slab molds as I have a log cutter. I don't think that there production slab is as much as 1 Winston and Walter mold. Plus the silicone liners in Workshop Heritage molds can't be beat in my opinion.
It was interesting to watch you make this batch and you always get the coolest tops on your soap which inspired me to swoosh up the tops on my essential oil collection. Thanks for always inspiring others!
Jill
Could you show a lather test with and without the citric acid?
Great info. Thanks for sharing 🥰
Hello Jerika, Reading all the comments to learn more about citrus acid! 😁 Thanks for the video!hug🇧🇷
Hello an thnx for your videos.did you heard about pan or sydnet?something which is smoother than soap
Love those glasses!!
I use citric acid in my soap but I didn't see any difference with temperature or trace. If you don't want to go through the calculations you can just add the citric acid to your regular recipe and just bare in mind that the superfat will go up to roughly 8-9%, from my calculations. I superfat at 7% so I calculate. But if your superfat is higher just set your regular recipe to 0% superfat then the citric acid will superfat the soap for you. I dissolve my citric acid in the water and then add my lye. Hope i don't sound confusing 🤣 but I NEED citric acid in my soap because i hate the soap scum!
ohhh that makes so much more sense and is easier to calculate that way. I soap in oz, so I'm sitting here calculating g to oz and doing that math LMAO. Thinking of it in terms of extra superfatting was just a lightbulb for me. So, to clarify, if I do a 0 superfat on soap calc and then add 1-2% of my oil weight in citric acid, then that will automatically superfat around 8%?
@@miriamswellspring yes it will up your superfat because it neutralised some of the lye and the superfat could go upto 9% too depending on your ingredients and the saponification value of the oils you use, i prefer 7% superfat so i just calculate. If you are making coconut oil soaps you will also need to calculate because we need high superfat for coconut oil soaps. Also the mysoapmaking friend calculator calculates the citric acid for you and whenever i add it as a additive and put 2% it shows me how much to add to my ingredients, makes it less confusing👍🏽
I find your videos interesting. My question is: In a case one is adding milk or plant purées to their soap, can one add Citric acid still and how? Thank you
I was just thinking about adding citric acid but wasn't sure how much, now I will try it @ 1% and see what happens.
That bar really did turn out nice. 🥰🐾🇬🇧⛄
Question: Where do you find you fragrance oils for your soaps?
Thanks for this video! Where did you get those gorgeous glasses frames??!!
I ordered the small mold. I had I larger TS mold that just made too many bars. I usually use it for unicorn soaps.
Hi Jerika I love your channel and admire your work.
Hi Maria!! Thanks so much!
I learned a lot with you!!! Thanks!!! Wishing you the best of the best ♥️
Gorgeous coloring…….
I have super hard water. I have made soap both ways- with and without it. I do heat transfer method, and find it will accelerate some of my fragrances...like soap on a stick fast. I really dont notice that much of a difference as far as lather. It helps a ton with soap scum, especially in my solid dish soap recipe.
I don't like those pour spouts at all, lol. I have 6 of them I never use.
Good to know!
I love your videos...thanks for sharing
I've been adding honey to all my soaps and it's making more lather! I add 60 g to each 4 #.
Oh yes I use it all the time it also helps with the soap scumb in the bathroom it get really hot so I add the citric acid to a liitle bit of the water mix n use ice for the rest of you using it make sure to calculate for the supper fat the acid will cancel out the lye
Actually that was not a horrible acceleration, it was still fluid enough to swirl with the chop stick but I do understand that is a scary situation and you did a Great job!
yaaassss i love her channel too!!! did you see the one with silk?
What if you use already made 50/50 lye solution can you add in the citric acid?
Hi Jerika, can you do a video on saponification process and the best way to achieve it? I see some use the stove, others the fridge, and me... I wrap in towel and blanket. Why the different ways? Also, can you explain what the lye to water should be in your opinion. I see some do 2:1 and I think you did 1.5:1 - which whatever you think is generally the way I do this. Thanks!
Is it true that citric acid also reduce soap build up in the shower?
I’ve been wanting to find something to reduce that
Can food coloring be used in soap as a colorant?
Can you add citic acid to melt and pour bases if just starting out with soap making?
I want to add citric to get ride of the alkali burn on my soap. Any suggestions
What swirling tool do you use?
will adding citric acid help to stop soap from feeling too slippery? many thanks and much love from the UK xxx
Hey-new subscriber here 😃 I loveeddd the swirls and how this soap turned out but
I was curious how your soap didn’t go through gel phase when you left it out on the counter. I made my first ever batch yesterday and I put it in the freezer to avoid gel phase (it worked!) but it started to crack as I cut it 😅 any tips ?
🧶😊👏 what pattern did you use for your sweater?
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Is there a reason you don't use ice in your water lye mixture? It would speed up your cool down period immensely!!
Absolutely love her... And you are amazing as well.....
Does glitter exfoliate?
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I loke your soap moles. Where did you buy your wood and rubber soap mole?Thank you for sharing.
Who knitted your sweater for you? It is beautiful.
Beautiful
For a true red, Trial by Fire by Nurture Soap, is the best!
Does citric acid help to preserve the soap?
I wanted to do citric acid for a pre tan soap bar, but I heard it does not lower PH. What do you know about this?
Nope, it doesn’t lower PH.
Now I’m wondering if/how citric acid and sodium lactate can be used in the same recipe. I want to give citric acid a try. Time to research!
O think Tellervo do it, I don't remember the specific video, first she dilute the citric acid, then adds the lye, and finally the sodium lactate
@@daughterofhighlander oh perfect! I’m actually subscribed to her already. Thanks for the reminder to go back to her videos!
I was planning on adding citric acid to my soaps too and another TH-camr who's also a chemist said I can add 2% Citric Acid of the oil weight, but I don't have to adjust the lye because it doesn't neutralize any of the lye and that's just a myth and the Citric Acid should always be added to the water before adding the lye in order to make it work properly ,so guess I will be doing this tomorrow
Interesting. All soap calculators add more lye when you use citric acid. I would be curious for your test. But of course, 2% is not much and when you soap with a high superfat amount, it will be not noticeable.
interesting
I don’t know if anyone else does this: But, when I have a soap batch that goes wrong somehow I will rematch it. I make another batch with no additional colors or fragrance. I then grate the bad batch and add it to the other batch in a crockpot. Then I will get it to a near liquid state and pour it in my mold where I color and fragrance it.
So if we use citric acid, it's ok just use the tap water? Not the distillation one?
What about boric acid? Can you do a video for that?
I might be remembering my chemistry wrong, but part of the reaction of mixing sodium hydroxide and water is an exothermic reaction. That is heat. More lye to the mix equals more heat. Heat tends to accelerate most chemical reactions, which is what we are doing with saponification. It is possible that the additional lye is causing accelerated thickening. A degree or two may be all it takes.
Experiment a bit with a little less lye, or a bit more water before mixing with the fats and oils. Also, a bit more on either fats or oils could also compensate for the additional lye. If any of my stroke addled ideas work better to control thickening speed, let me know.
Time for more coffee.
The reason you have to add a specific amount of extra lye is because the citric acid "consumes" some of the lye. This increases the superfat which causes soap to go rancid sooner - which is what we are trying to avoid by adding C.A. In order to keep the superfat at the same level intended in a recipe adding back some lye (6 g for every 10 g of C.A.) keeps the superfat the same. Adding it to increase shelf life is a plus so soaping cooler definitely helps.
Did I miss a video on the new logo and company name? 😱 I got so shocked at the end there where you showed your Instagram call to action 😱 I saw the post now and wow, congrats 🎉🎉
I do use citric acid in my soaps, however I make hot process soap, so I don't know if it accelerates I'm cold process!
Edit: Citric acid will make my hot process soap look a little funny as it starts to cook, it almost looks like ricing, but it can be blended out and by the time the cook phase is over, it's all smooth
That is my experience too, but my last hot process batch was smooth direct from the beginning. It was fluid dish soap (KoH) with most coconut oil. 15% olive and 10% castor. 4% citric acid (of oil weight) and salt and sugar. Turned out absolutely great after 5 minutes in the pot. BTW: It was the hot transfer method and I soaped hot but turned off the heat of my hotplate.
Why hot process? I'm just curious as to the benefits ... besides "cure" time.
I’ve been wanting to try adding citric acid in soap! What percentage is recommended? I hear it also helps prevent soap scum a bit too. 🥰 ps. You handled that like a champ! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
When you have very hard water, add 4 to 5 % of the oil amount. Normally, 3% will do.
@@sannesia3595 thank you ! I am trying that next batch!
I just came here from watching Talervo. Are you on Fb groups? Sometimes they can be a bit militant. I was wondering about citric acid!
I don't get the purpose : doesn't it and lye neutralize each other?
Did adding the citric acid improve the ph of your soap? If so, by how much? Did it soften or harden the soap?
What I wondered also
It has little effect on pH. 10 g citric acid neutralizes 6.24 g NaOH.
Have you tested the PH? Does it raise PH?
Citric acid is acidic, NaOH is alkaline. Citric acid is used to lower pH and has little effect on it when used in CP soap. 10 g citric acid neutralizes 6.24 g NaOH.
I add citric acid and also sodium lactate to all my soaps.
to 50 oz. of oils and 7.6 lye how much citric acid?
Put it in your shaving soap and it makes a great glycerine soap
Natural or manufactured citric acid?
I think manufactured?
Despite having soft water, I use citric acid all the time and can no longer compare to non CA soap. I use it to safeguard against rancidity.
However I guess / wonder if it adds slip.
do you add more lye too?
I just add sugar to my soap for more lather. Not a fan of adding citric acid then having to increase lye.
LoL re panicked state. Nice to know that I am not alone.
I love citric acid in soaps, but just a word of caution, don't use it if you master batch your lye solution. For me anyway, the lye-citric acid reaction crystallized as it cooled, causing a thick layer of crystallized substance on the side of the container. It can be strained but it completely negates the benefit of the citric acid. Big bummer.
What is Master batch?
@@crystltwilight making a large batch of something (in this case the lye solution). Enough to make multiple batches of soap, rather than mixing each batch individually. It saves time.
O yes. In the beginning I was wondering why my lye solution was thickend up when I storage it overnight. Master batching is no possibility when you use citric acid.
This exact thing is happening to me even if I make 3 lbs batches. I’ve searched like crazy trying to see if another soaper experienced this. My citric acid lye solution crystallize and gets thick like a slushy and I don’t know how to fix it. 😩
Doesn't accelerate, helps with soap scum and I believe it makes a longer lasting bar but can't prove it😁