He Never Had A Chance - Law & Order
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From Season 4, Episode 9 "Born Bad" - Defense attorneys for a foster child who killed argue that he was genetically predisposed to violence.
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"They said I was too dangerous and look what they did to him." She's got a point.
kjdnyhmghfvb lots of completely safe children are ripped from their homes due to “dangerous” drug homes and die. Just google “kid dies after removed from home for smoking pot”
Honestly!! Foster care was absolute hell. They think they they’re saving us but really they’re killing us off.
@@Lala-mg5og tell that to pro life activists
The moment she did drugs while pregnant with him was the moment she ruined his life. Trust me that's what my birth mom did to me and all my brothers. We are ruined and if I was never taken away from that nut worse things would have happened to me.
@@1hanagima They're not saying that it's completely useless, just that CPS oversteps their boundaries constantly.
I worked in a Harlem secondary school, I know exactly what the principals and guidance counselors are saying. You have hundreds of kids, schedule change constantly, and kids are being enrolled and removed every week. The only ones you remember are the troublemakers.
This show was so self righteous and hypocritical.
@@jaxcaulfield7071 how?
@@hardcrowley1549 I did watch this show in the late 90's early 2000 periodically and I stopped watching altogether around 2005 for that reason. Watching this random clip on TH-cam late into my night shift I must have thought the same thing, but for the life of me I can't remember why! If I remember I will tell you lol
Jax Caulfield
That’s sad, man. This is one of the most acclaimed police procedural and legal drama shows out there.
@@jaxcaulfield7071 You have yet to explain why the show is "self righteous" and "hypocritical"
Can we talk about the Child actors and how amazing their performance was, I mean the adults were good too but the kid's really portrayed their roles beautifully.
The first kid being interrogated was in “Band of Brothers”.(2001)
@@thingsofwonder2944I forget the name of the actor, but the character he played in BoB was Frank Perconte
Thought I recognized him
@@thingsofwonder2944 Oh Wow. thats right exactly... great call
@@djbadltHis voice didn't change at all
Kids like the character Chris on the show, they exist in reality in society, both back then when this episode aired, and today.....
I hate to admit it but I'm one of those said kids. I was extremely violent as a kid and kept getting in a lot of trouble for assault. It was really bad
@@RaeRaetheFae im curious was it because of anything at home or were you diagnosed with something or what caused it
People who suffer abuse at an early age learn to disassociate.
Dang that Chris kid was good. I have seen that non chalance before in real life and this was just as bone chilling.
good actor. he grew up and appeared in another episode later as a young american who called himself a muslim.
I have where I work I run into it quite often. Its dark
@@christinecrites835
I totally forgot about that EP.....cute kid, great actor....need to Google him and see what hes doing
Wil Horneff is the actor who portrayed Chris.
No remorse at all. Excellent acting. Or was it?
That foster carer is correct, and they are treating her incredibly rudely and ignorantly. Given their job they should know better. I spent a good deal of time as a teen in youth refuges (what they refer to here as group homes). The good staff wouldn't report things, because if they did we would be sent to one of the more restrictive, and way less healthy environments. The same was true if you were in foster care - you'd be sent to a refuge. If we were caught self-harming this could happen as well, so the good ones wouldn't report it as they knew it wouldn't be in our best interest. You have to understand the system before you judge.
Never would have known.
Got any thoughts on how to improve things?
I Was in foster care...sounds like excuses.
I am doing a school project about things such as and how kids in the foster care system don't always tell you their problems because they are scared that they will be sent away. I'm creating an organisation for these kids and how at least ones a year they should talk to someone or at least have a say in the home they are put in if they like and feel comfortable in the environment or not because they deserve to have a say in it.
It’s tv!
The black actresses in this law & order series wore their natural hair a lot that’s really cool
It’s awesome! Thanks for pointing it out, I wouldn’t have noticed otherwise
liquidsonly 😂😂😂😂😂 pathetic
Antonio Tyler I watched it. Interesting.
If you watch a lot of shows going into the early 2000 on back. A lot of black actresses wore their hair naturally. I grew up on La law, Dynasty, In the Heat of the Night and shows like that. In the Heat of the Night with one of my favorite show took place in the South. They can't bring that show back and give it the same kind of heat, no pun intended, that it had. But it was a staple then because the actresses and actors in the shows could act. When it comes to Talent now it's all about how many views and subscribers you have. That's why a lot of older Hollywood actors and actresses are going over to streaming services. Because in the movie business people don't want to see Talent they just want to see what's popular. If some random TH-cam person got over five or six million people all of a sudden they're on the big screen and you're asking yourself why? They have no talent. But that's what you're saying because your talent will shine through what your hair looks like means nothing.
@@liquidsonly Shut up lmao
Goodness, this acting is fantastic across the board.
It was a good show once.
It’s not like I wanted to kill him or anything, he just got me mad.
Thats perfect depiciton by the way seen it at my work.
yeah well, now that punk ass piece of shit is gonna spend the majority of his years in a juvenile detention center, just because the prick couldn't control his temper.
@Cole Aufdenkamp law and order is based on real cases. so yeah some kid killed someone and its all because they couldn't control themselves when they were in there teens.
@Cole Aufdenkamp Yeah, usually the person got away and was never convicted.
The crime was the same but the end result for partys involved was different.
Yeah, always the victims fault.
Only cure for a punk like that is a bullet.
I just wanna say, I was in foster care in Oklahoma in the late 80s, I was extremely lucky I got an excellent family... They even considered me one of their own after I was 18, I loved them people...
They have long since passed but I still feel their love for me.... It is rare I know, but not impossible, so I plead that other awesome couples who want to make a difference do their best to help those who are not able to help themselves... ALL CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM WHAT THEY KNOW WILL HAVE EMOTIONAL ISSUES, PLEASE DO NOT HOLD THOSE CHILDREN ACCOUNTABLE FOR IRRATIONAL OUTBURSTS... (TO A POINT, Some are born to be bad, I know this from experience, there are doctors that will argue this FACT but they are wrong)
As a fellow former crown ward and adoptee, I had a similar experience to yours and I agree with you 100%!!
Glad you made it through lovely🌸
My mom did also. Led to me and my siblings to having an bonus set of grandparents. My mom got married not too long after high school, and her and my dad moved across the street from my "foster" grandparents. They are islands of peace and love in my memories.
Hearing multiple people, including the kid who beat him, say that John made them laugh is just heartbreaking. A kid who brought joy to those who knew him best was never given the chance to thrive.
Gotta love OG Law & Order. I love that several of the actors actually put on a NY accent.
Fr! Anyone who tries to mimic our accents sounds dumb lol
Jerry Orbach lived in Hell's Kitchen.
He was the real deal.
Really? Wow.
@@TheBatugan77 He really was! He was old school , top shelf. I read the memoir his wife wrote of him, called, "Remember that I love you." so much great stuff in it about their time in NYC.
@@TheBatugan77 ...Not only the real deal, but a genuine board-treader. He actually won a Tony back in '69 or '70...
My favorite 2 detective team in the whole franchise! RIP Jerry Orbach!
Det Green and Det Curtis.
Green and Briscoe are better
Yes I love Briscoe and Logan. The gold standard detective team.
This was my favourite episode when I was younger, the ending was so sad. He just gave up because every side said he was bad, he felt he had no chance anymore.
Was it actually Chris who killed Johnny???
@@lovablelillypup2499 he did, at the end he tells the ADA he wants to go to jail because he killed Johnny and he'd do it again, and he can't control himself when he's angry.
Whatever happened to the kid who played Chris? I think he was an outstanding actor! He should be at least over 30 by now.
Wil Horneff. Father was a race car driver and mother a choreographer. The same year this was filmed he was won two awards for his work in the tv version of The Yearling and in the feature film Born To Be Wild. He also did The Sandlot and another episode of Law and Order where he played a teenager who converts to Muslim (American Jihad) - Wil never had a large career but he got tv roles time to time. He's actually 40 now - left acting awhile ago to become a Brazilian jiu-jitsu teacher at his own school in New Jersey.
@@jamesrawlins735 - Will Horneff is a legit Ralph Gracie black belt, good for him.
James Rawlins I remember the one when he played the jihadist...he was a good young actor with a lot of potential. That role really stuck out in my mind. Probably because he did it deep inside because he was a misogynist.
John Scanlan more like 40 years old probably. They were teens and this was back in like 1993
He looks familiar. Was he the kid that played as the rival group in 'The Sandlot'
Every child death in Law and Order is super depressing so I'll give them props for that.
Been watching a lot of these old school L&Os and something I’ve noticed is how good the sound design/foley work is. Really great footsteps, car honks, etc
Also, what the hell kind of thing is that to say to a mother grieving her dead kid? I mean yeah, CPS might have thought she’d accidentally dope the kid or something, but jesus christ keep that thought to yourself my guy!
Yeah, you watch it back? The L&O Police are pretty rude ...
@@maxbrooks5468I agree. I know that cops will use harsh, even abrasive, comments to try and get some kind of reaction, but good God, they knew that the mother was nowhere near the kid, so there was no need to bring down those kind of comments on a grieving parent.
@@dantependragon9895I might have more sympathy for the mother if she hasn't been a drug addict more interested in sticking a needle in her arm than caring for her son.
They look to try to get you emotional and reveal something. I was being questioned by a group of beat cops and one made a stupid comment about my volunteer work at my church. I started laughing and told him with a brain like that, he'd never make detective. He was quiet after that.
I forgot how well everyone was acting in this show.
Lenny Briscoe! Dear God, I miss Jerry Orbach. 💙
7:08 poor kid has his voice crack immortalized. Mortifying.
we've all had our voice crack at the worst time at some point. lol it's a part of puberty
I'm old and my voice cracked like puberty on a very important conference call the other day. If you think it goes away when you get older, I got news for ya.
Kid is Frank Picante from “Band of Brothers”
It’s a normal part of life...pointing out is just rude.
Something incredibly normal for teens and benign as a vice cracking is "mortifying"?
Those two kids actors are really good. The one who played "Andy" was in Basketball Diaries with Leonardo DiCaprio. Thought they would've been big stars by now.
These kids with the accent...Long Island, Staten Island or City Island. Can’t imagine them from anywhere else
I don't hear accents like that much. Italian American kids in Nassau and Suffolk county sound like that. Then you have the Yonkers and Staten Island accents, a little more extreme.
@@MondoBenokids talk less and less like that in Nassau and suffolk nowadays
This episode was shot in 1993. Those actors were born in the late '70s & grew up in the '80s. I've known people in that age group with almost the same accent from Far Rockaway & Breezy Point area. Those Outer Borough accents have grown less common over the decades as multigeneration families are priced out of their neighborhoods.
I'm gonna get the papers get the papers
@@finchcarvingadiamond The accent fades as you go up in the income spectrum. In addition, a lot of people born up until like the mid 80's came from households that weren't really removed very far from immigrants 'in the old neighborhood' so the accent was still really working class and thick. Nowadays unless you come from an enclave that still carries it heavily, your accent will be really slight. Mine comes and goes depending on the company I keep. I can code switch like that really easily. If I'm hanging out with family members or 'regular guys and gals' it can really come out...when I'm in a professional setting, mellows right out to almost nothing. Still, people from around the tri state area in direct orbit of the city still have at least a small undercurrent in their speech as a signifier. You can't quite eliminate it if you're from here.
Crazy that this day would become more than just a normal day in about 10 years
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? There’s less crime now than when this show was made
@@lachry4019 I think he is referring to 9/11.
Genetically predisposed to crime? Not that he's an orphan in foster care? A situation that emotionally fucks you up
Ok first you need to ask why he's in foster care to begin with. Unlike popular belief CPS don't go around abducting kids from good parents. They normally have legit cause for concern before taking a child.
@@benolr64 And is that his fault or the parents? I'm not disagreeing with you I'm just observing that he "never had chance" because of many things outside of his control. We don't charge children the same as adults for a reason
@@benolr64That still doesn't explain how he ended like that. There are plenty of kids that are completebopposites of their parents.
We don't always get to know the answers and that sucks. The argument of Nature vs Nurture is and will always be a complex situation. Some kids have amazing parents and do not end up well and do horrible things. Some have terrible parents and end up as good people. In any given situation it's always a aspect of both Nature and Nurture, but which one is 90/10 or 10/90 or if it's 50/50 is always a question only those that were in the situation and were involved can answer.
This episode was marvelous! It shows how impressionable children are. You will understand when you watch it, I do not want to spoil it.
I may not be that old(mid 30s) but i have yet to EVER meet someone that had to deal with CPS and came out better for it afterwards. It ALWAYS ended with the kids being irreparably damaged or horribly abused. I get some people should never be parents but when the group that's supposed to fix that issue has a failure rate of 90% it's a HUGE problem.
Same as the justice system. Someone gets sent to prison for some minor offence and comes out as a far greater threat to society because of the experience.
@@DomWeasel When you put criminals with other criminals, they either break or get scared straight. Same with troubled youths. It's far from a perfect system.
Medical examiners never stand in one place when police are talking to them in movies.
🤣
These kids are amazing actors
The original L&O can be both thoughtfully and perversely addictive. It sucks you in and doesn't let you go until the episode is over...
7:39 never did I think I’d see the actor who played Priconte from Band Of Brothers...AS A KID!!
Kid in the thumbnail looks like he plays allot of zelda
A Ghost. 😂😂😂😂😂 as a zelda fan I agree 😂😂
What I've learned about New Yorkers in this show is that they're always walking away from detectives when they're being questions and they always either have a clipboard of a file in their hands while talking to them.
New Yorkers especially those that are of colour have a born dislike of cops
@@RocketRoketto Shut up you racist! You democrats always refer to is as different because all you see is our skin color.
"When I get mad Ion know what I could do" damn as a kid and teenager I was just like that. Glad I changed
The kid explaining what happened to the detectives and ADA Kincaid...ended up in the airborne...in Band of Brothers!😎
As soon as I heard him say, “Like Chris said.” I knew it.
The kid that plays Andy in this scene when he gets older is Frank Perconte in Band of Brothers.
Jerry Orbach, King of Broadway.
The blond kid looks like Emma Watson.
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Umm. Holy hell, you're right!
That’s young James Maddio (right?) from band of brothers. Loved that miniseries and the cast.
I remember this episode and definitely a rewatch now.
Mauricio Graham do u know where u could watch it I saw clips of it but I want to watch it seemed really good
Knew that was James Madio from band of brothers (perconte). For anyone that still believes in overnight success being the norm. It’s neat to see actors early on.
This was the comment I was looking for lmao came to watch this just for him. He’s so young in this
This was a great episode.
I'm trying to save your life son......
Why bother
The dialogue could make you think.
"Frank Perconte returned to Chicago, and worked a postal route as a mailman"
It’s been years but for some reason this one always gets to me.
Wow this show is now 30
Well 10 to 30 years to be exact
Andy grew up, went back in time, and joined the Airborne.
8 min one of the Robin Williams hook Lost Boys
That kid Andy was one of the lost boys in Hook
the one kid with the longer hair was in the sandlot
His name is Wil Horneff
And ghost in the machine
Just ordered this season and should get it Saturday! :)
Alienmojo enjoy!
They did this same episode on Law and Order UK. How interesting to see the differences and similarities!
The guy who played Andy (kid sitting on stairs wearing navy hoodie) went on to play Frank Perconte in Band of Brothers.
Watching this and saw the amazing Helen Gallagher from Ryan's Hope. What a wonderful surprise.
Holy shit... the kid in the blue hoodie stars in band of brothers when he gets older.
Y’all have a good new year
Tank u💖 You do the same bb💅🏽
I wish you the same 😁
Same to you bro 👍
Aw man, I'm willing, but 2020 isn't cooperating yet.
This didn’t age well
Ive begun to realize that none of the buildings have any lighting.
“The boyfriend used him for a drum solo” oh my god lmao
Jerry Orbach R.I.P,
The guy with the long hair who claimed to be a Musician and the former boyfriend of the kid who got killed- Was that Joe Panallino of the Sopranos and other films and TV Series? It sounded liked him and looked like him- just a little taller.?
No - his name is Robert C. Wheeler. Not many credits listed on IMDB - the one episode of Law and Order and two shorts. No idea if he's still in the biz
4:56 hear what she said!?
thats what happened to me, and i still dont know where my Daughters father chose to go or what might have happened to him.
treuth, & police dont know anything after i asked, and no one knows anything els it seams. And lifes been hell ever since. best i could do, let it go to be free from the mental trauma. imagine having to forget your own family and wonder if your kid will be safe & healthy.
I’m so sorry that happened to you 😔 Please don’t give up hopes of being reunited one day.
Maybe he ran off Lmaoo
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That kid knew exactly what he was doing.
7:06 that little turd wearing the hood.. Who is that? He's one of those childhood actors from my time you just forgot about but recognize.
James Madio, played the role of Frank Perconte in Band of Brothers.
Briscoe and Logan kicking ass.
Wow, the idea of beating someone to death was a pleasurable one; you can tell form his little reflective smirks as he talked about it. I can hear the phrase "Homicidal Psychopath" being used in court.
Such a classic show in all its iterations.
this must be the remastered version, because this video is way too clear.
Brought me to tears 😭😭
What a disaster ! He, much like others...never had a chance ! The physical abuse /psychological abuse is allowed to happen+ transpire and then what happens to these children ?
Jerry orbach great actor he's missed
Dude the kid in the blue hoddie looks exactly like someone I went to school with.
man i like watching these clips just to see popular actors in younger roles, like the kid blue hoody, i forget the name but i know the face
7:!5 The kid that played Andy that's a very young James Madio who would later play Perconte in Band of brothers
God see these actors as kids feels crazy and just remind you how old the show is I've seen some of them and band of Brothers and others and Harold and Kumar lol
“Any kinky wounds?” Weirdest quote
His poor mother CPS fails yet another child
I have to say that the mother is at fault for this one.
She had a child and failed him.
@@gretchenjaenisch1826 how when CPS was the one who took him everyone knows that even a drug addict or an alcoholic can still be a good parent the only bad thing she did was allow her boyfriend to get near him
I get that the boyfriend may have been a problem but so was the mother.
I'm just giving my honest opinion.
@@gretchenjaenisch1826 CPS still failed him and Wendy from another season 4 episode plus CPS also kidnaps kids from good homes and puts them in hellhomes not to mention in season 1 of law and order they failed Didi lowestine
If you watch the episode, CPS didn't fail here. The woman they placed him with was trying to do what was in his best interest (and had been in the best interest of many kids before him). The problem was another child in the house was a murderer and no one knew it.
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hoodie kid looks like the Unfriendly spider man's brother.
This is heartbreaking
The kid cracked up the Guidance counselor
The broken kid using humor as a coping mechanisoim
7:06 Is that you Sergeant Peconte? !
That’s the kid from the sandlot that plays phillips
OMFG THANK YOU!!!!!!
That kid is Richard Kuklinski all over again......
40 kids to a class is literal
Believe me I'm a new yorker
Curse the biological parents for allowing all of this to happen. There is a special place in hell for people like that.
"Friday, September 11th"
Eerie...
Why "eerie"?
The terrorist attacks were on TUESDAY, September 11th.
Hey the kid who spilled the beans was Malarkey! From the bronx to bastoine!
2:26 remember her from Season 1 episode "By Hooker, By Crook". "Need more fiber Andrew"
What is Perconte doing in New York? 😂
You guys should make a season where the actors have to solve it themselves
I like this drama show where the cops try to stop criminals
Who else feels like the younger detective is just begging to be beat to death or fired in this episode? Because that with that mouth and the people he works against he's lucky to be alive.
That's Pedro from The Basketball Diaries!!
Only eight more episodes to go
Everyone in this talks in the same way.
It’s called an accent!!!
they talk like New Yorkers in 1993.
one of those kids is Picante from band of brothers when he was way young!!
Chris looks like Hermione.
Wait no cause wil 😩😩😩 HES SO CUTE
WHERE CAN I PURCHASE THE COMPLETE LAW AND ORDER SERIES , THE ORIGINAL AND THE SPIN OFF L&O SVU..
Thulisile Miya prime video has it
Am I dumb, or is the homeroom teacher they talk to about the kid the same lady who played the prostitute that was saying hilarious stuff to the pimp when Stone was in nightcourt back in like season 1?
We all Need fiber!
I remember her😂😂😂😂😂😂😂