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- It's no secret that golfers are looking for more consistency. Can ONE Length irons help?
Cobra have several iterations of ONE Length irons, as used by LIV Golfer Bryson DeChambeau. To find out if these Cobra irons were useful, equipment editor Alex Lodge has had them in the bag for 6 months.
Alex talks through his findings at Gatwick Golf Studio.
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The 17 yard gap between PW and 9 iron could be the key to everything.
- increase the loft of the 5-9 iron by one degree
- This would bring the gap between the 9 and PW closer to 13 yards
- increase the spin on the 7 iron by about 400 RPM
- This should bring the gap between the 4 and 5 iron to 12 yards. With the option of reducing the 4i loft to 20 degrees to increase the gap to 16ish yards
The gapping in each club would between 11 to 14 yards per club.
A few adjustments these could be the perfect set of irons for you!
Great advice! I'll give it a go.
I bought a loft/lie machine and custom fit irons myself with a launch monitor. Biggest thing was adjusting lofts to match my desired launch and spin conditions. After adjustments, best clubs I have ever owned by a mile.
Now that makes sense for those of us who are capable.
@@kentbrown3736 you could also go through the math and get really close to ideal lofts based on launch angle and spin rate, then run to golf store and have them adjust.
How much did you get it for and how did you learn to use it? Obviously this is the best answer but has a lot of barriers in the way for the average joe.
Get Fitted - I play 1 Length and absolutely love them. Now, my swing speeds are nowhere near yours but it has made my game more consistent. Currently gaming the LTDx 5-GW and don't have any problems with distances. Yes, more distance from lofted irons than lower loft but that is why I also have a driving iron, hyrid and woods in the bag depending on course layout to compensate. If you have an inconsistent swing 1 length is definitely the way to go. The rest simply comes down to adapting your game to the advantage of the clubs.
Interesting observations. I teach the Setup 4 Impact one plane swing for Kirk Junge. We get a lot of questions about the one length clubs because Bryson (and some say Moe Norman) in addition to the one plane swing also used one length clubs...therefore many think they go together. We do not recommend for them or against them, but tell people if they do go the one plane route to get fitted for them. As an instructor, I wanted to see what one length was all about so that I could give an educated answer to those who asked. I bought a set of one length irons, 4 through PW. As you noted, the 8,9,w were comfortable but went extremely high in addition to a bit more distance. I found I could choke up just a bit on those and control the height when needed. The problem was with the 4,5,6...they all went nearly the same distance and were very low and a little shorter in distance, so they didn't stop as well on the green. I found I could tweak my setup and ball position to get them higher, but that kind of defeats the purpose on one length, doesn't it? Al least one company is now making a dual length set (Pinhawk Vertex) with the 3,4,5 longer than the 6-p. I haven't tried those but it sounds like an answer to those of us who don't care for hybrids. I didn't stick with the one length irons but I'm open to possibly trying a set of dual length at some point.
Thanks for this video, it was well presented, and it confirmed my own findings.
Tony Griffin
Setup 4 Impact Master Instructor
Sanford NC
Thanks for your comment Tony, and it's good to hear i'm not alone in my own findings. These are irons are great, but need a little bit more to be perfect
Sounds reasonable, glad I found your comment, love s4i, curious about one length, but nervous to try
Had a similar transition with my one length hybrid. Don't have one length irons, but I got the hybrid and was struggling with topping it for the first few practice sessions and rounds, but it has become my favorite club in the bag. I can hit any shot I want with it, and it goes far. Absolutely recommend.
My friend has had a very similar occurrence. His hybrid is now his favourite club in his bag!
Their forged. Bend them to whatever lofts you want to increase spin. Like you said though get a fitting. TXG does a phenomenal video on fitting Matty for one length. Hits them, bends them on the spot one by one, ends up with perfect gapping/spin.
Good idea!
Great video and well done for giving the one-length a really good chance. I would shift back to normal-length clubs. I have tried the one-length for a month, where I played 18 holes every day - so a lot of rounds but a long time. I got okay results, not an improvement (I was a 10 handicapper at the time (used to be a 5 handicapper) and used to play blades (Titleist 660)). I shifted back to normal length - and it was such a relief. A relief that I felt that I was able to play many different shots with normal lengths. It felt more natural. I shifted to a combo set - more help in the long irons and blades in the short irons. This is not necessarily easy to get or find or even get fitted for. I wish they - fitters, and manufacturers - would do more of an effort to make these combo iron available. It has got a lot better. Now with my fitted combo normal length irons and am making a lot of improvements - handicap on the way down at the moment i am at 7. I would suggest to shift to a combo set - YES GET FITTED :-)
I just started playing golf about a year ago. I had an old set of King cobras and played like a new golfer. I decided to invest in some better clubs and went with the cobra f8 one lengths. I've only had a chance to play one round with them and already feel like I'm hitting the ball a lot better. Can't wait to get back out there and keep getting better.
Great to hear!
I have been using the Cobra one length forged tec iron for more than a month now.....been really struggle and inconsistent with 5/6 iron (I didn't buy 4 iron)....which was ironic because these two irons was exactly the reason why I switch to one length, although the shot distribution and consistency of P/9/8/7 has been better than before. After some struggles of fat shot with 5/6, I think I finally found the reason. The Cobra use variable lie angle even in their one length iron. The 5 iron has 64 degree lie angle while the PW has 61.5 degree lie angle..... I have a tendency to stay closer to the ball when I set up with 5/6 iron to compensate the lie angle....and this is probably the reason why I keep hitting slightly fat shot with 5/6 iron. Sometimes with 7 iron but not so bad, but never with 8/9/P.
I put on an alignment stick and fixed my distance to the ball and ignore the lie angle, and I was now much better consistency in hitting the 5/6 iron and much less fat shot like I was before.
Actually, don't use short shaft unless U have super high club speed
I use 7(35degree)-60 Degree one length.
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longer shaft5 6Iron
Driver speed100-105
The most important reason I use it is(Side bend of my spine)
If u use hand to swing,one length cant create enough speed.
If u use core, longer-shaft wont be problem.
thus I think one-length long irons are not for everybody
Given the bunching up of distances in the 'long' irons and your concerns over spin numbers - just get them custom fitted but choose the option to increase the lofts by 2 degrees across the whole set - hey presto - higher spin - reduce the distances to more sensible numbers - more chance for the long irons to spread out a little (especially with your high swing speed) and you still get the benefits of one length consistency.
Try Dual length! Long irons & short irons at two different lengths can greatly reduce the two issues many golfers have with the one length concept. e.g. the long iron gapping and overall distance will be centered around a 4 or 5 iron length club rather than a 7 iron length club. The short irons & wedges can be centered around your PW/9 iron club length so that they don't feel absurdly long or fly too high.
The added benefit of the short irons and wedges having the same length is the you can use the whole group of short irons as for a variety of pitching distances, all by using the same abbreviated swing as your wedges. I have a chart will a well practiced solution for any increment under 150 yards. Full swing, 3/4, 2/3 and a 1/2 swings yields different distances right around 3-4 yards apart.
Great advice! Dual length is a solid idea - I'll look into it.
You've come this far so would be silly to not see if you can tweak them to be more optimal.
I love my forged tec one lengths.
I played OL irons for a few years with great results. I switched back to regular irons for several reasons, at least that's what I told myself. The real reason, being perfectly honest, is as you guys across the pond might say, I'm a bit of a magpie when it comes to clubs--just wanting something new and shiny. Anyway, I just picked up another used set of OL irons. I really missed the 'short' irons, especially the wedges. They are easier on my back, way less tendency to blade full wedge shots, and the extra speed with the longer shaft helps to cut though the thickest rough. I was never all that thrilled with the 5, or 4 iron because they would sometimes come up short, even on shots that seemed pretty well struck. I'll probably sub in regular 6,5,4, or possibly hybrids. I'll also adjust the lofts a bit because, I find that 4 degrees between clubs works well for me. I know I probably can't get to 4 degrees with modern GI clubs, but I can get pretty close.
I think you see a combination of two different issues here. First, as you note, is the one-length issue and the other is the strong lofts and tech put in Game improvement irons (strong lofts, low CGs, etc). When I tried them after getting back into golf, I found the wedges went way too high and the low-numbered irons (they aren't longer) were lower and tightly gapped. I tried to tweak them a bit, but ended up switching the wedges out for shorter clubs and then found myself replacing low-lofted ones with hybrids. I did do some research on how to make it work and modified an old set of hybrids in terms of head weight to make them one-length, but they were still longer than the irons. In short, though I loved the idea in concept, in order to keep my ball-flight and gapping where I wanted, I only ended up playing 6-9 in the one-length irons; at that point, it didn't seem worth the limitations in terms of company or models to choose from.
I've had the F7s for 6 years and have improved my game. It's easy to have over half the bag with 1 swing and the rest are woods or wedges which are diffetent anyone. I'm due to be fitted for a new set next month to hopefully see even more improvement
get them fitted !!!!! THEN you can actually determine whether or not they are for you If they are not?? then you know, if they ARE, you're laughing let us know please and the Best of the Season to you and yours
Thanks for your comment - I'll give them a try and get them fine tuned
Bryson plays Cobra King Utility 4 and 5 iron. His 4 iron is 16 degrees and 5 is 19.
Great info for a beginning golfer, thanks. Subscribed
Thanks for the sub!
Fine tune! =)
I'm using the the RAD SPEED OL since 18 months ago and love their consistency. Have the same issues with 4 and 5 where they might as well carry the same distance as my 6 iron but just harder to hit. I've improved my golf a good bit since then and my swing speed is around 80 with OL They are not fitted though and during a lesson I had today my trainer said I should get a stiffer shaft and change the lie with my swing, but thinking of buying these instead and get a clean fitting for them as well.
Fine tune it is! Thanks for your comment
Just swing it like Bryson. Problems solved. 15 yard gapping doesn't sound like an issue to me. Seems like the perfect number. I get the overlapped but that happens in VL irons too.
There are many solutions you can go with but all will have trade offs due to the lack of club head options in OL.
Try the utility heads. They are larger and can increase launch angle. Adjust lofts to improve gapping. Change shaft in lower lofted irons to increase launch angle (lighter weight will likely increase swing speed too so gapping will improve.)
Add tip weight to lower lofted irons to increase distance. If you disassemble a Cobra OL Speedzone 4 you’ll find it has a tip weight already. Not sure about the newer forged tecs but if so replace with a heavier one.
Good advice!
I question the need for so many clubs when you using one length clubs. Bryson has his distances dialed into power. Its really just loft at that point. The key to one length clubs is that you can hit them all similar disatances and really you are just going for loft. So I would question the need for a 4,5,6 just make sure you have proper lofts to seperate how you want to land.
I'm a 14hcp and have these exact irons... I think for you as a exceptionally good golfer, maybe you're not getting all the benefits because you don't need the help? For me, I am more consistent, more accurate, and although I agree with you about the distances, I (just about) manage a 15 yard gap between clubs from 4 iron down to pitching wedge, and I have a 86mph swing with my one length irons. For me, now I could never go back to variable length!
Perhaps! I am currently still using them though as they are benefitting me greatly and I have no reason to change. Happy to hear they've worked out well for you
I doubt with the “maybe you don’t need the help” Bryson deshambeu plays one length irons and it helps him it just takes time to get use to this
Of course you can adjust loft which will in turn change spin rate and distance. You can even put new shafts in it that are optimal for spin rates you're looking for. Longer irons can be strengthened in loft but honestly 12yards avg. between irons isn't bad, 15 yards would be better. Just get them adjusted to what you're looking for per club. There are tons of fitters that can do this for you.
People said Bobby Jones used one length golf clubs but further investigation it seems he did something different 2 and 3 iron the same length then four and five irons same length and so on also Moe Norman also used one length
That’s really interesting, I quite like that concept!
Mix and match, single length and traditional clubs. It might take some time but think about it. Use the single length clubs and regular clubs to your advantage. Yes there might be some holes to fill but so what 90 percent of your game will be spot on!
Good advice! I’ll look into it
I did a fitting for them and as they say, if you don't have the yardes between the clubs, the one lenght are not for you.
BUT you can't just pick them up you need a fitting to play them
I think SG numbers have already given you the answer. Could try OL Hybrids to replace the longer irons? Why not do a vlog on a cobra OL custom fit?
Also do you need a ball fitting? That could give you a change in flight and spin numbers?
I went OL last year and like you gained consistancy hugely, as well as confidence. Horses for courses.
Mine come in 5 weeks I put all my irons in the middle anyways and on my fit the miss hit was so much better, as for you it's not help you need with distance its spin and accuracy get them bent it you can to accommodate the difference
The Edel SL irons give the best gapping. The shafts are designed specifically to solve the distance issue .
I borrowed a friends set for 2 weeks and after that my thought was Cobra SL are almost a waste of money and boarders on false advertisement
I’ll have to try them out!
Did you lose distance with the longer irons? I’m thinking it’s a shorter shaft meaning less club head speed.
i did but not due to the shorter club, more so due to the lower launch angle
I’m 6’4” and I’m considering making the change. In saying that, my clubs are already a little bit too short for me. I’m tossing up between getting my shafts lengthened or going the one length route.
Can somebody tell me though- do they all have to be a 7 iron length? Could I get them all at a 5 or 6 iron length?
you can get them whatever length you want! AS long as theyre custom though.
Appreciate your insights.
I’m already and at golf so this is the perfect time to switch haha!
Know the feeling 😂
How did it end up with the one length adventure? Did you bail?
right now yes, but I may go back next year. Would need a set that is properly custom fitting to me
Great video… just came across it this week. I’ve been playing one-length irons for 2yrs and I started just like you. The lower irons felt very comfortable. The 5 & 6 iron were flighted too low so I had the loft adjusted. However, I’m finding the distance gap closer and still not holding greens. I’m considering switching back to variable length irons but I’m afraid my consistency and confidence will suffer. Please share your thoughts?? Thanks
hmm tough one, if you can go to a fitter they'll probably be able to help you
I have these irons in 1 length also, I am a high handicapper that also has a set of variable length ltdx's I naturally set all my irons up in the same position so that's fine for me but my problem is I don't have the speed to get consistent distance out of the longer irons. I love my forged tecs OL I just dont think the gapping works for slower swing speed people like me :( So sticking with the variable ltdx's. I do enjoy your OL videos thats how I found you.
I will continue the OL videos as I find it really interesting - Have you tried the OL hybrids?
@@GolfmagicPlus I have not, I have them on my radar though.
@@GolfmagicPlus The hybrids are twice as weird as the long irons. I have the 19 and 22 degree, I'm still getting used to them honestly but I don't play much.
@@GolfmagicPlus I have a 3H OL. When I tried it out it felt amazing - now I have consistency issues with it. First it feels very weird with that short of a shaft, then I think I might have too light of a shaft or something. I'm hooking like crazy and have consistency issues with getting the flight high enough. I'm not the best golfer though =)
I would like to get my forged tec ones fitted but doesn’t that lock in based upon your current skill set and ability to be consistent. No matter what club you use, you should be able to get the same shot (carry,apex,club/face path, spin, side spin) if you can do that 5-10 time in a row then its worth getting fitted because your swing is dialed in. If you are all over the place it is your swing not the equipment. You should not be fitted if you are inconsistent because if you ever plan on getting better swing mechanics, you will be fighting the equipment. Does anyone agree or disagree? I was a fresh hacker a year and half ago, I played 40 over or worse for a year, then switch to one lengths and stiffer shafts and I’m a 15, I just struggle with short game and putting and I think I could get under 10 in the next year.
I get your argument but I feel like it’s missing some elements
We could say it’s the lofts but the loft are the same as most iron lofts on market now living in stronger loft era
Then spin rate is really about your ball placement Rick shields says same about the ball flight to but I have 2 sets ups one normal and one where I can get 4-5 same height as any other 4-5
Plus shaft fitting really helps
Your gapping is actually good besides pw and 9 but it’s sadly called welcome to hitting hard problem it’s a problem big hitters have always had
I think I’d take consistency and versatility over any other set but to each they own
the switch was not that difficult for me. I love the 7 thru Gap. A lot of confidence when standing over the ball. The 6 and 5 do fly at a lower trajectory. I swapped them for the variable length irons and they work great and flow into variable length fairway woods
good to hear!
Great video thinking about getting them and still not 100 sure
Do it!
Can you get the cobra rad speed one length irons, lie angles? I get along really well with everything except my 65 and four iron. lie angle seems too steep for me.
I like my 9 iron lie angle the best. If they all matched that, that would be ideal.
RADSPEED was offered in one length but I imagine you'd struggle to find places that will fit you for that product as it's 2 generations old, but I'd look into it!
One length is the only way to go!
You might try the Wishon EQ1-NX from Diamond Golf there in England. Or the Edel one length irons.
As to the spin vs club number, that's everywhere today given the lofts. You have to recalibrate your expectation to the loft instead of the number.
I used one length a few years ago for a season and loved them, but I'm too slow to benefit much these days. I have too many hybrids, so not enough irons to have much of a length spread within the set anyway. If that makes sense....
I found that the drawbacks are easier to see than are the benefits. So most people focus on the drawbacks. The benefits are less tangible but arguably more impactful than the drawbacks. As your scoring shows.
Loved the Wishon... did do a little shootout between the Wishon and my gamer the Pinhawk SL. Not a perfect comparison but that was all explained in my vid about it. Love that the increments of loft were evened out with 4 and 5 degrees. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I’ve heard spin rates are getting better in long irons are the hybrids
They used to offer a tour forged one, but the majority of recreational golfers who use or will try one-length are high handicappers. So it doesn't make profit sense to offer anything outside of the game improvement category.
You can fix your issues with shaft. I have played 1lngth for 25yrs. It will do what you want. You just need to get your setup correct.
You’re hitting amazing consistent shots, why would you not stick? Agree that the spin rate jumps but you need to get fitted with a shaft that can handle it. I went from kbs to modus 120g and it totally fixed the spin issue (although my swing speed isn’t anywhere near as fast as yours)
A shaft change could be the right idea - I'll give it a try!
Hi Adam where did you get the advice about the shafts? Was. It in the UK? Having trouble finding someone with good knowledge. Over here of the one length
@@harrisonmiller3786go see Jason at golf principles in Basingstoke just had a OL fitting in these irons yesterday. We played around with shaft combos and it made a masssive difference
Would you also consider making the Hybrid(s) one length (the same lengths as the Irons) ??
Absolutely. If you’re a hybrid person that’s a very good plan, it would work for my problems if I liked them!
something isnt right with your clubs yardages! I have one length and i have great yardages and the shorter clubs have a higher flight so they hold the greens superbly!
Keen to see if you had these tweeked to you? Have been for a couple of fittings but both places didn't know that much about it imo, looking for somewhere that can do it for me if you found somewhere?
I actually went with another iron set after having a fitting that showed what was wrong with them, video to come
Long irons are lofted too closely IMO inmost iron sets. Even tour pros have a Trajectory dip in their long irons.
Carry 186 yds with 5000 spin at 115 feet and a 49* decent angle..? That ball should stop on a dime. With those numbers I could probably stop a Pinnacle withing 3 feet of the ball mark on US Open greens. Here's your next video, you don't need a custom fitting. You already have access to a trackman system. Get some RCT Pro V-1's and warm up. 10 shots with every club starting with your most lofted wedge and working through the set. Throw out the outliers (bad shots) and get a nice average with each club. If there's a big issue with this gapping session take that club in and have it checked against the club below it and the club above it. If it's off just have them tweek it where you need it and redo the gapping session. Your video can be fast forwarded through the shots and you can post the numbers. Ive found huge issues with Arrccos since it averages in all your shots. You shank a few and suddenly the numbers are way off for that club.
You’re hitting off a matt indoors. That 7 iron will be spinning 6000rpm outside. Weaken them a degree or two is all that’s needed
Hit them outside and they have the same numbers, but I agree weakening them is the way forward!
Well I just assumed the King Tour MIM were in One Length, that's just wrong! I played the previous Forged Tour OL for a few years and really liked all but the long irons (4 & 5). It does promote a more consistent strike and once you figure out the optimal ball placement it's point and shoot.
I would have a hard time with your lofts/spin issues, definitely needs fixed. Maybe those heads just aren't for you.
How comes you changed from the Previous OL? I'm going to for sure get a fitting in the new year and document the process for my next video.
Did you try to change to a ball that spins more?
i did, but i need a ball that spins less on the driver!
One length are the way to go. I'm gonna disagree with you on one thing you said. The fact that every club is 10-13 yards apart is an advantage. That adds to the consistency. The guys I play with bag about having a fast swing speed... but I can take them everytime on the Lynx. Just my 2 cents. Your playing a traditional game and not playing the club.
Like more this kind of video ❤
thanks!
You know that’s really funny. Telling people their idiots were not getting their clubs fitted., but did not bother to get them fitted before he made this video
Did you try the one length hybrids at all?
I have done - I'm more of a utility iron man but was pleasantly surprised by the hybrids. Launch was more optimal, but hybrids still aren't for me.
Try the one length utility irons then. They go a bit higher and have the adjustable loft sleeve.
Try Edel one length.
So you altered the lofts of the clubs, then criticize the gapping you found after altering them? What was the gapping from the factory?
….what? No I didn’t alter the lofts of the clubs. Not sure where you got that from
@@GolfmagicPlus I thought you had said that you had the loft changed as from the factory they are lofted more strongly.
I game the Pinhawk SL which are traditional lofted and with even increments with 5 degrees from 4 to 7 and from there 4 degrees from 8 to lob wedge. This is also with the Wishon single length. I did a shootout between those 2. The new Cobra set will be different and less strong lofted. I would say stay on it and think about change the brand. Loved that you kept on it. I'm calles locally mr One length so title claimed already. 🤣😉 I also competed in the Dutch championship one length. Anyway see my niche channel. Soon a one length special live stream. Cool update and thx. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
I actually like the Pinhawks better than the Sterlings. Very nice basic iron.
@@pgowan357 Awesome clubs to my opinion too. I'm already gaming my second Pinhawk SL set. 🤘🏻😎🤘🏻
Sounds like the same length shaft helped you but the irons aren’t for you. Should try one length with your irons you like
Please, get fitted to make the final decision
Maybe you should stop swinging so hard. Just a thought.
Pass
I tried it! It about broke me! I almost quite the game that I have been playing for 50 years! Stupid idea! Cobra and Bryson needs to send me a check for 2,000 dollars? 1,000 for the irons + 1,000 for pain and suffering?
Why didn't you like it?
Use a shaft thay helps with spin