Hammock Suspensions (Daisy Chain, Cinch buckles, Whoopie Slings)
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- Which hammock suspension is right for you? Hopefully this video will give you some insight before you buy.
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I have made hammocks for both my wife and I. I use a cinch buckle system for mine because it was my first hammock and I loved the easy and adjustability. I recently made my wife's suspension and to save weight I and money I made a hybrid system of straps and UCR's (utility constricting rope). Same principle as whoopie sling just less weight. Her straps are 5ft with loops sewn in every three inches on the last 2ft. She has had it out 3 times now and it is working great.
Great tip on the max tightness for whoopie slings. I have this happen so often that I have switched back to straps and buckles. I'm going to try your marlin spike hack and give it another try. I'm so glad I came across this older video again. Good information is timeless.
Happy to help!
to shorten the whoopie sling you can:
1) do away with continuous loop and use the whoopie sling fixed loop to cinch hammock.
2) shorten the distance from where the whoopie slide bury starts and the continuous loop bury stops.
3) use a shorter bury for the slide. 6" works fine.
4) use a stop hitch on the strap
I second the marlin spike hitch, if you dont want to carry a spike you can use a stick and it offers unlimited adjustability
Good video. I have experienced the same issue with the whoopie slings not adjusting small enough so stopped using them a while back.
I'm now using the cinch buckle system (slightly different to yours but same principal) 👍
This was exactly the video I needed to watch, thank you so much for taking the time to make this video!!
You explain everything so beautifully. Thanks.
Thanks. I had Eno straps and was trying to decide what to go to next. This video was exactly what I needed. Very well done.
This one is a little more updated if you still have questions: th-cam.com/video/DeTEbOzQ4Qs/w-d-xo.html
Amazingly well done video. This helped me make my decision.
I prefer straps over everything else. just simple easier for me to work with
It helped me a lot mate, thanks!
here in Oregon I use a whoopie hook suspension with buckles on 7ft huggers with clips. I also bring along the racer slings and biners from my original kammock. The extra parts perform other duties and give me all mannor of adjustability in my suspension. I can hang up with two trees spread anywhere from 8.5 ft to 25 ft or so. once I replace my Ridge line with a whoopie sling I'll be able to span near 30 ft depending on trunks.
have fun and be safe.
Came across this, it was insightful. I use straps. I like them. The weight/bulk doesn't bother me at all. If you really wanted to get picky with your hang height, you can also slide the strap up and down the tree to adjust it, but I've never had an issue where one loop was too high and the next was just too low. But it's possible there are picky people. You can hang gear/shoes/pack off the other loops to keep gear off the ground. And price? ENO is a brand, kind of like amsteel, which is just another product with UHMWPE (dyneema, spectra, etc). People love their name brands. ENO isn't cheap... nylon is. 1" milspec nylon is 15cents a foot, throw some bartacks in it, and it cost a few bucks. Amazon has plenty of knockoff brands as well that are around $10. I don't have an issue with the whoopie straps, but I live in AZ, which has plenty of forest, but some areas it's hard enough finding trees that are thick enough to support you, and that don't have underbrush 5' high all around them, I don't need the added complication of making sure they're the perfect distance too. Cinch straps are fine too, but if I'm going to go with something bulky, I might as well enjoy being able to hang my gear from it too. Just another perspective.
Ditch the carabines and go with soft shackles, and have you ever thought about a structural ridge line? Makes setting up super easy.
Sold !! Cinch buckles for me Like to keep it a simple as possible
great video. me personally I prefer to tie the knots with my Hennessy explorer. built in suspension. but everybody has different taste. my Hennessy explorer isn't the lightest but it's awesome.
Highly informative. I want to get into hammocks instead of a tent, but they seem a little fiddly, and literally everyone has their own unique set up and opinion about what is best. At least I learned a little, that is a start. Still a lot to know; hammock, under and over quilts, tarps, bug net etc...
+Rob Marley Yea man, it's a bit much information to start, but you learn quickly what works for you once you start. You can always try a hammock and pad setup. Check out ohuhu hammocks on amazon. I vendor sent me on and it's comporable to an ENO but it's $17.00, if you like sleeping it with a pad you already have a sleeping bag then you could always upgrade later.
I used to climb and to prevent abrasion to cord, in this case on the Whoopie’s sling Amstel, when you are worried about abrasion creating a “tube” that you thread the Amstel thru by using a section of tubular webbing ( I doubt you would need the whole Amstel covered, maybe, maybe not) I’d consider running it through the area of Amstel exposed to the greatest friction stress points. A tube is made by cutting the length of tubular webbing desired and opening the webbing open then melting the frayed ends while the tubular webbing is open or carefully cutting a melted end open in order to produce the “tube” then threading the Amstel through. You could also use smaller than 1” tubular webbing
9 I’d go with smaller.
Good video
Just got whoopies with dynaweave straps from warbonnet. So compact and no weight they hide in the double ended stuff sack with the blackbird XLC
Very good video. Very instructional. For my suspension system, I use the strap used bike electric companies to pull pipes and heavy duty cables underground. I also use A descending ring from the climbing section at REI that I attached to the Loop at the end of my hammock and that’s it. What hammock do you use? Did you ever sleep in a tent? Thank you so much for this video. God bless you.
I have a set of daisy chains that pack just as small as woopie slings and also weigh in at 3oz... Kammok python 10 UL .You should try the beetle buckle from Dutchware... It combines the sinch adjustability with the connectivity of the woopies 😁
Don’t forget about Mule Tape and a toggle
Try adding two 30mm steel rings (sailing shops stock them) to each of your continuous hammock loops with larch head knots. Then you can either use whoopies larch headed onto the rings or if your tight on space between trees take the whoopies off and feed the tree hugger through both rings then back through one (like an old school motorbike helmet). You have all the adjustability you want for the added weight of 4 small rings.
+BuckOllie If I leave the cinch buckles on the continuous loop of the hammock I can do either suspension thanks to the dutch whoopie hooks. But i'd rather only carry one suspension type at any given time on a backpacking trip.
atlas - heavy
whoopie - complicated might require soft shackle and possibly continuous loop depending
cinch - could use hardware on the tree side to prevent webbing on webbing contact
Fantastic video on the top three types of hammock suspension! We've experienced the same progression, from loop straps, cinch buckles and ending up with whoopie slings. The only way we've been able to correct "too much strap, but not enough to double wrap tree" is to take up some of the strap with a small overhand loop. It's not pretty, but it works.
Since this video was made Dutchware has come out with these things called spiders they work well as a toggle and marlin spike hitch replacement. www.dutchwaregear.com/spiders-hardware-only-pair.html
Thank you!
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What about using the marlin spike hitch with the Whoopi’s hooks? I am seriously curious, wouldn’t the fixed loop be ok to use with a small toggle?
The whoopie sling issue has happened to me twice.
I'm done with them.
By the way, the carabinier can be replaced with a soft shackle
Yup I did.
Why not a cinch buckle whoopie sling combo? Put the cinch buckle on the tree hugger end so it can be adjusted there and via the whoopie. So you need far less of the heavy strap, but still maintain finer adjustment.
Dutchware Gear has something similar. I tried it out but the weight savings are neglible.
@@FrozensAdventures I actually found that beetle buckle shortly after posting this. I agree with the weight factor also, difference is basically irrelevant.
I want to replace the suspension ropes on my Hennessy and your videos have been really helpful. Have you ever had any issues with the Warbonnet cinch buckles? Any slipping? I'm leaning towards those over the Dutch cinch buckles due to the triangular shape. Thoughts?
I have the warbonnet and dutch titanium buckles. Haven't had a problem with either.
I ordered the cinch buckles for my new Warbonnet Blackbird for now. I'm hoping to get an overnight trip in this weekend. I woke up to snow this morning and all of our tree leaves are gone. When did you make the video? Looks green. Thanks for all of your help! Bob
+uptrail71 probably a month after my cranberry lake video, maybe september lol.
I just got back from an overnight trip with my new Warbonnet Blackbird. The high was 44 with wind and 15 hours of rain. I stayed dry and comfortable in the hammock. My back got a little cold so I still need the underquilt. Just like you said a 10 out of 10 for comfort. Thanks! Bob
Whoopie sling doesn't need a carabiner; just thread the other end through the loop.
It's for ease of use when adjusting over/under a limb
I have been thinking about switching to the cinch buckle system, but I'm not sure if they would work with my hammock. I have a Grand Trunk skeeter beeter, which actually has caribeaners on each end. Would it work hooking them onto the buckles or would I have to switch out the caribeaners for a different setup to make the cinch buckles work properly? Thanks
+BrotherEarth I don't have experience with the Grand Trunks but if I had to guess from looking at the pictures on amazon, that there is a sewn channel on each end of the hammock where your carabiner goes through or it's attached via a continuous loop and then a carbiner on that. What you would do is take out the loop and you will pretty much be left with a piece of fabric. You'll then slide the continuous loop of the cinch buckle suspension through the hammock channel until you get to the other end (a very very small piece of pvc pipe will help you thread it through. After that You larks head the cinch buckle through itself and re-attach the webbing. This video should help you: th-cam.com/video/X8aXr6Q9_W8/w-d-xo.htmlm26s
I was recently looking at the Blackbird options and was very surprised the webbing/buckle system was only 2 oz more than whoopies. I really thought they’d be a lot heavier. They address every frustration I’ve encountered with other systems. (PS - I don’t know the weight difference but Dutchware Gear makes titanium cinch buckles.)
I recently bought the Ti cinch buckles to try it's minor weight difference but locks down better on certain strap materials like the dyneema/polypro webbing dutch sells as well.
Being that I'm a total noob, Why are you using Biner's? I thought the loop at the end of the nylon tree huggers was to put the other end through? Am I wrong? Does it wear the strap if you do it that way? I have no clue and is why I'm asking. I'm looking to make a purchase and just want to make sure I have everything I need :p Thanks in advance!
+TheVolleybalk you can do it either way. I like being able to move the strap up over a tree limb of needed. I actually use a Dutchware Dutch clip I stead of a biner but I was showing a biner because that's what most people are used to. On a cinch buckle system you really don't have a choice. You can't run the one end through the loop.
Thanks!
You don't need to say 'raise it up', just say raise it. To raise implies up.
where'd you order the cinch buckle system from?
+R Journey It came with my hammock but you can get it at www.warbonnetoutdoors.com/accessories/ also check out www.dutchwaregear.com for a removal cinch buckle system called cinch bugs.
ok thanks a lot
Couldn't you just attach the Whoopie slings to the Cinch Buckle strap?
+Sean Porter Yes you could but my cinch buckle straps are 15' each and it would defeat the purpose of the pack-ability and weight savings of the whoopie slings. At that point you should just use the cinch buckles by themselves or use a 5'/6' tree hugger.
This is the very reason i've never switched to Whoopie slings. Your hang options become greatly limited. I'll also point out that the tree huggers aren't to protect your Amstel they are for protecting the tree. I've used Amsteal directly on the tree hundreds of times and i still use the same pair today, years later. There is zero noticeable wear on the Amstel (though they are a bit dirty)
10* Good vid and presentation. Yet, not everything is hammock suspension that must be mandatorily single purposed. Bushie and preppie items should be multi-purposed for other needs as well So the weight or versatility of a suspension system is not totally valued, or denigrated, just as a suspension product. When you need a tourniquet, a McGyver block and pulley system, making a travois, outback backpack, strapping a tarp as a coracle skin, etc., then weight is not an issue.
For me. I have a DIY MYOG multi-purposed amsteel double ended sewn loops with heavy duty D buckles and J hooks. SMALL grommet holes every 3 inches, length 20 feet. Flat thin in thickness, narrow in width, and heavy duty for weight/tension control. You can put around tree, and easily hook on/hook off to the tightest grommet. Then J hook to the hammock loop or O ring connector. Both suspensions still too long? Loop through the hammock connector and J hook back onto the suspension. If you have a very small (and close) tree, the suspension can be double (or triple!) wrapped around the trunk and J hooked for any tension at a grommet. If you have a large tree, then wrap and use which grommet hole J hooks a tight suspension. Depending on the very close distance between any size diameter trees, you could even wrap around the tree, loop through the hammock connector, and connect both J hooks together, or figure 8 the J hooks going past each other. You can have this system length from the figure 8 at 6 feet (or less) to an 18 +/- foot distance. These J hooks have no cutting surface like that flat whoopie sling connector. The J hook and D buckle can easy go through any (normal) hammock rope loop or metal O ring. There are no extra needed carabiner or connector pieces. There is no abrasion on the suspension or the hammock connector. The grommets (and separate J hooks) are excellent for controlling any rain runoff down the suspension. If anything for me, having 2 separate suspensions in the backpack, with the hammock as a 3 piece carry, I would not. I have the suspensions already loaded onto hammock connectors. Then unravel the suspensions and hook up to the trees, then adjust the hammock J hook for tension. No need to install or un-install the suspensions from the hammock. And if I really need to McGyver something, then yes, I can easily unloop the suspension from the hammock, and use the amsteel for greater emergency/critical needs.
Just my design.
If you use the whoopie slings with a tree huggers, instead of using the continuous loop, just install the whoopie slings into the gathered end and put the tree huggers around the tree. Then to attach the whoopie slings to the tree hugger you use a marlin hitch knot with a toggle, then hang the whoopie slings over the knot. This will allow you to put the knot as close to the tree as you can and help alleviate the problem of trees to close, at least for the most part. th-cam.com/video/giumWY1zknU/w-d-xo.html
+Preston Parker Thanks man I've seen this video before but I think I was just getting into hammocking and completely forgot about the marlin spike hitch, I do something similar when I hang my food bag. I still think I'm going to stay with the cinch buckles for now.
+Outdoor Adventures Me too.
i just use paracord
+dirtycommtroop do whatever works for you. However paracord stretches and if you aren't using some type of tree webbing you are damaging the bark of the tree and eventually killing the tree. Some parks are now banning hammocks because of this. Just keep that in mind.
Don’t say guys , there are women watching
Dutchware are garbage, the clip will fray and destroy the straps and they do not warranty or stand behind their products. Best to support another company that has lifetime warranties.
A lot of people have missread the instruction card that comes with the dutch clips. They have a rough 90 degree bend in it for whatever reason. If you hang the strap on the side of the tree like the card says it will last for years. I've been using the same clips and straps for years with no issues.
Outdoor Adventures how many throughhikes have you done with it though?
None as of yet. I'll be leaving on feb 23rd 2019. It does have 50 nights easily in on it though. I've seen exactly what you are talking about though: th-cam.com/video/CVH98QpnbL4/w-d-xo.html&t=1m54s 3 of my friends have ruined their suspensions due to it. I'd assume you know what you are doing though if you've done a thru hike.
You must be doing the AT if your leaving that early. Good luck and yeah the straps suck as you will find out if your taking them. Sad that Dutch was a thru-hiker but doesn't stand behind his products. I bought mine off him personally in Trail days in Damascus but wish i supported a different company now.
Glad you commented I'll be watching these closely now. Yes it's the AT. I'll have a pair of backup straps just in case. Thanks!