Great video! I realize it's a few years old, but I have to say for me the whoopie sling suspension is still the best. Many people try it, then move away from it for two reasons IMHO: A- They leave too much distance between the bury and the end loop (lock brummel), and the bury itself is way too long (as per the manufacturer's recommendation). So no matter how much they shorten the whoopies, they still have about 1 meter of amsteel line on either side, which is not a problem when the trees are a fair distance apart, but when they're close to the hammock you have too much slack on the line and there's no good way of shortening it. B- The other reason is the Marlin Spike Hitch and toggle system. I suspect that the person who came up with that idea did so in the field one day, improvising a solution by picking up two sticks he found around the campsite. I don't think they intend for it to become a thing. But many people for years adopted that knot and toggle method, even carrying 2 heavy wooden toggles as part of their suspension. I prefer to use a 2.5cm x 2m webbing strap. This allows me to hang even from trees that have a big girth. I keep a Dutch Cinch Bug (not the cinch buckle, but the cinch bug) on each webbing strap which serves the same purpose of the heavy toggle, but the Cinch Bug is minimal. Then my woopie sling is connected to the hammock, but instead of using a Dutch Hook on the loop of the whoopie, I use an ultralight soft shackle, which then hooks on to the Cinch Bug, that way the whoopie can ride freely through the soft shackle and doesn't kink, which is another problem with the toggle system, the whoopie kinks and gets stuck around the toggle. The becket hitch system works too, and it's very lightweight, but I don't like it because it's not very smooth compared to the whoopie suspension. If you've put weight in the hammock the becket hitch locks and if you need to readjust it you have to yank it hard. Also, when you release the knot there's a point when the hammock is completely loose. If you have weight in the hammock and need to readjust, you have to pay extra attention and make sure that you're holding the hammock in one hand and the strap in the other, otherwise you might end up with the hammock on the ground.
This is a great reply and full of great information. Always good to have as much perspective as possible. Thank you for the comment and leaving a wealth of information. Cheers. Bear
Hey brother! Thank you for stopping by! I really like the daisy chains as well. I most often use the beckets hitch because im know to forget my suspicion system at home. Lol.
I'm on the same journey of exploration...Have the climbing rings on now...bought from Dutch...3 different Buckles, cinches and Amsteel loops...I don't know what's wrong with me...I'm 75 and car camp...
Nice video and very well explained in a calm way. After more than 25 years of hammock camping I have used the Marlin spike hitch on both webbing and rope. Of course thin rope will damage the tree more. I still use it on my emergency 'just in case' hammock. So the loops on the hammock are rope with a fishermans knot. The suspension to the tree is a length of the same rope with a figure 8 knot at one end. No metal hardware because I just use sticks I find on the ground. Put the Marlin spike hitch in with this stick and attach to your loop on the hammock. This is the most lightweight and cheapest method. There will never be rope on rope or rope on webbing in my setup since a hammock setup is never fully static. You move in your sleep and the wind blows so it will always be somewhat dynamic. When I know I'm gonna be sleeping in the hammock I use the Daisy chains, webbing loops on the hammock and two aluminium carabiners because this always works and I can set it up blindfolded wearing thick gloves. Of course the broader Daisy chains means less damage to the tree. In my opinion all these titanium gadgets and whoopie slings are for people with too much money and not enough common sense.
Interesting process - I used all described types and still use some. My bridge hammock goes with the daisy chain, I don't see the lack of adjustability as a real problem. When backpacking I am with UHMWPE straps, becket hitch and continuous loops on the hammock. But knowledge is not enough, it requires training. So when its wet or cold or both and you want to set up quickly tying the knot has to be a reflex which you do right without too much thinking. Actually for no good reason, I never insisted on the cinch buckles, although my Warbonnet RidgeRunner came with them. What I like about the daisy chain straps is that you can attach other items, i.e. the backpack, shoes, etc. on the unused loops.
I use the dynaweave and dyneema amsteel whoopies from warbonnet. Not crazy simple but I like the stuff in my pack to be able to do multiple things and have alot of functionality in case of emergency and have 1400lb tensile strength rope and tree straps that are light as a feather could come in handy without being a pain to carry
@MikeBearProut might switch it up this spring to cinch buckles just for ease of use but then I don't look like grizzled veteran when setting up my hammock
Cinch buckles are great. Just make sure they are sitting squared before putting weight into the hammock or the suspension webbing will get shredded. Happened once to me. 😊👍
@MikeBearProut yeah it seams like every suspension needs to be double checked, aside from daisy chains but then you can't really fine tune the adjustment and for veteran hammockers we know that's pretty important in getting a good lay
Hello and thanks for the vid! I'm curious if you have ever had or heard of mule tape slipping when tied with a regular becket hitch? I saw a video where this guy said that mule tape pulled through the knot while under his weight and melted the continous loop on his Hammock. Do you think a modified double becket hitch would be more likely to prevent this?
I haven’t had any issues with the mule tape slipping. I always double and triple check that my Beckett hitch is tied correctly. But you definitely have my curiosity. Going to do some homework. 😊👍
@@MikeProut Thanks for the reply! Here's the link to the video I was talking about. th-cam.com/video/F_JR89zbfNA/w-d-xo.html The part I was referring to is at 6:05 I was just curious if this was just this guy's experience or if others have experienced the same thing. Thanks again!
Great video! I realize it's a few years old, but I have to say for me the whoopie sling suspension is still the best. Many people try it, then move away from it for two reasons IMHO: A- They leave too much distance between the bury and the end loop (lock brummel), and the bury itself is way too long (as per the manufacturer's recommendation). So no matter how much they shorten the whoopies, they still have about 1 meter of amsteel line on either side, which is not a problem when the trees are a fair distance apart, but when they're close to the hammock you have too much slack on the line and there's no good way of shortening it. B- The other reason is the Marlin Spike Hitch and toggle system. I suspect that the person who came up with that idea did so in the field one day, improvising a solution by picking up two sticks he found around the campsite. I don't think they intend for it to become a thing. But many people for years adopted that knot and toggle method, even carrying 2 heavy wooden toggles as part of their suspension.
I prefer to use a 2.5cm x 2m webbing strap. This allows me to hang even from trees that have a big girth. I keep a Dutch Cinch Bug (not the cinch buckle, but the cinch bug) on each webbing strap which serves the same purpose of the heavy toggle, but the Cinch Bug is minimal. Then my woopie sling is connected to the hammock, but instead of using a Dutch Hook on the loop of the whoopie, I use an ultralight soft shackle, which then hooks on to the Cinch Bug, that way the whoopie can ride freely through the soft shackle and doesn't kink, which is another problem with the toggle system, the whoopie kinks and gets stuck around the toggle.
The becket hitch system works too, and it's very lightweight, but I don't like it because it's not very smooth compared to the whoopie suspension. If you've put weight in the hammock the becket hitch locks and if you need to readjust it you have to yank it hard. Also, when you release the knot there's a point when the hammock is completely loose. If you have weight in the hammock and need to readjust, you have to pay extra attention and make sure that you're holding the hammock in one hand and the strap in the other, otherwise you might end up with the hammock on the ground.
This is a great reply and full of great information. Always good to have as much perspective as possible. Thank you for the comment and leaving a wealth of information. Cheers.
Bear
What do you attach from to the hamcok to the carabiner?
I have continuous loops installed on my hammock so attach the carabiner to them. 😊👍
very good video. Most of these techniques I use on a regular bases with the daisy chain being the most frequently used.
Hey brother! Thank you for stopping by! I really like the daisy chains as well. I most often use the beckets hitch because im know to forget my suspicion system at home. Lol.
I'm on the same journey of exploration...Have the climbing rings on now...bought from Dutch...3 different Buckles, cinches and Amsteel loops...I don't know what's wrong with me...I'm 75 and car camp...
All good! All that matters is your enjoying what your doing and connecring to nature. 😊👍
@@MikeProut I'll be up above Bishop early June...4 Nights of pure Heaven
Can only imagine 😊👍
Great vid. I realized you were Canadian when I heard your superb vocabulary. Thanks!
Great info. Considering more hammocking in future trips!
It’s a bit of a learning curve but ultimately you get more flexibility and eventually it is very simplistic. 😊🙏
Nice work man. Thanks for sharing and keep it up!
😊👍
Nice video and very well explained in a calm way. After more than 25 years of hammock camping I have used the Marlin spike hitch on both webbing and rope. Of course thin rope will damage the tree more. I still use it on my emergency 'just in case' hammock. So the loops on the hammock are rope with a fishermans knot. The suspension to the tree is a length of the same rope with a figure 8 knot at one end. No metal hardware because I just use sticks I find on the ground. Put the Marlin spike hitch in with this stick and attach to your loop on the hammock. This is the most lightweight and cheapest method. There will never be rope on rope or rope on webbing in my setup since a hammock setup is never fully static. You move in your sleep and the wind blows so it will always be somewhat dynamic. When I know I'm gonna be sleeping in the hammock I use the Daisy chains, webbing loops on the hammock and two aluminium carabiners because this always works and I can set it up blindfolded wearing thick gloves. Of course the broader Daisy chains means less damage to the tree. In my opinion all these titanium gadgets and whoopie slings are for people with too much money and not enough common sense.
Looks like you have a hatchet in your head! :)
Thanks for the info.
Got to be careful where you walk in the shed LOL! Thanks for stopping by. 😊👍
Excellent! I need to simplify my rig so I'm going to try a couple of these.
Right on! If you love tweaking and messing around with gear as much as I do you’ll enjoy experimenting with some different options. Cheers brother!
Interesting process - I used all described types and still use some. My bridge hammock goes with the daisy chain, I don't see the lack of adjustability as a real problem. When backpacking I am with UHMWPE straps, becket hitch and continuous loops on the hammock. But knowledge is not enough, it requires training. So when its wet or cold or both and you want to set up quickly tying the knot has to be a reflex which you do right without too much thinking. Actually for no good reason, I never insisted on the cinch buckles, although my Warbonnet RidgeRunner came with them. What I like about the daisy chain straps is that you can attach other items, i.e. the backpack, shoes, etc. on the unused loops.
Sounds like some solid evolution and experience! Thanks so much for sharing.
I use the dynaweave and dyneema amsteel whoopies from warbonnet. Not crazy simple but I like the stuff in my pack to be able to do multiple things and have alot of functionality in case of emergency and have 1400lb tensile strength rope and tree straps that are light as a feather could come in handy without being a pain to carry
Sounds awesome! 😊👍
@MikeBearProut might switch it up this spring to cinch buckles just for ease of use but then I don't look like grizzled veteran when setting up my hammock
Cinch buckles are great. Just make sure they are sitting squared before putting weight into the hammock or the suspension webbing will get shredded. Happened once to me. 😊👍
@MikeBearProut yeah it seams like every suspension needs to be double checked, aside from daisy chains but then you can't really fine tune the adjustment and for veteran hammockers we know that's pretty important in getting a good lay
My current go to is the toggle and Marlin spike hitch from suspension to continuous loop on end of hammock. 😊👍
Hello and thanks for the vid! I'm curious if you have ever had or heard of mule tape slipping when tied with a regular becket hitch? I saw a video where this guy said that mule tape pulled through the knot while under his weight and melted the continous loop on his Hammock. Do you think a modified double becket hitch would be more likely to prevent this?
I haven’t had any issues with the mule tape slipping. I always double and triple check that my Beckett hitch is tied correctly. But you definitely have my curiosity. Going to do some homework. 😊👍
@@MikeProut Thanks for the reply! Here's the link to the video I was talking about.
th-cam.com/video/F_JR89zbfNA/w-d-xo.html
The part I was referring to is at 6:05
I was just curious if this was just this guy's experience or if others have experienced the same thing. Thanks again!
Who's that young fella tying up the stock Hennessey suspension?!
Good vid Bear
Lol! Thanks brother. Amazing how time flies! Hope your getting ready to do some spring hammock camping brother! 😊👍
@@MikeProut just waiting the restrictions to ease off enough to allow it!
At least our municipal Open Air Burn Ban ends tomorrow!
Yes! I have a feeling the parks will be open very soon. And enjoy your bonfire tomorrow night. LOL