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Python Straps vs Cinch Buckles - Hammock Suspension System Choices
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 15 ก.ย. 2014
- Why I switched to Dutch Cinch Buckles from Kammok Python Straps as my primary hammock suspension system. www.sintax77.com
Cinch Buckle Hammock Suspension System:
2 Dutch Clips
2 Dutch cinch Buckles
2 15 foot 1 inch webbing straps
2 7/64" Amsteel loops for connection to Hennessy Hammock (Dutch sells slightly longer loops for use with Hennessy Hammocks or shorter ones for all others, so make sure to choose accordingly)
Total Weight: 10.5 ounces
Kammock Python Straps Hammock Suspension System:
2 10 foot Kammock Python Straps
2 Black Diamond Neutrino Climbing Carabiners
Total Weight: 14.5 ounces
So after spending my kids college education on hammock suspension experiments, I finally settled on the "cinch buckle" system as well. They are 12 & 14 and we are hanging Clark 250 hammocks. Using the "cinch buckles", "Dutch clips", and Dutchware "Wasps" for all guide lines....the boys are now able to setup their own hammocks and I do final adjustments. It is the fastest setup and kids being able to do it....says it all. Finally I am done with the experimenting!!
You've inspired me...I think I'm going to spring for the hammock and cinch buckle system you use. I've been on the fence with getting a hammock for some time now. Seems like you cant go wrong with this system--its neat and organized, fast to set up, isnt bulky or heavy.
I love all your videos. Thanks for taking us with you on your adventures and keep up the good work!
I'll be posting a video of my new hammock later this week - you may want to check that out before deciding on one, it's pretty nice from what I can tell so far, and comes atandard with choice of cinch buckles or whoopies.
THANK YOU SIN. you just answered every question ive been failing to find in google
I have been using them for awhile and even created my own pair. There are some good videos on TH-cam that make it easy to DIY. It takes a leap of faith to get in the hammock the first time as it is hard to believe they will hold but they are quite strong.
Hi Sintax, really enjoy your site and have learned a lot.... though my wife said it is costing her lots of cash. Speaking of that, I just up graded my original Hennessy suspension to the Dutchwear Cinch Buckle system and went outside to try it. I must say you were right, it made setting up my hammock so much faster and easier to adjust for comfort. I love it! Hurry up with more video's, I'm having withdrawals.
I have that same setup! Super easy to adjust. I was on a hike and at the end of the day was really tired and not paying attention. When I wrapped the hook around and some how I didn't get it all the way in the hook end. When I layed in my hammock about 10 minutes in I heard a pop but didn't know what it was. I went to sleep and the next day when taking down my hammock I saw what it was. The end of the hook popes through my strap and damaged it pretty bad. I wound up cutting the strap the next night and just tieing a knot for the hook end and it worked. But lesson learned. Pay attention!!!
Thanks for the video, I'm new to dutch products, but I'm loving them. Dutch is definitely on the top of my list and I'll be more then happy to order from him again, there was a huge mix up with the post office and I never received my products, dutch was quick to take care of me and sent me a new order.
SINISTERCLOWNS Yeah, Dutch's products and customer service are superb. Sometimes my orders show up before I even turn my computer on, haha.
sintax77 well thanks to you Dutch will be receiving a order from me for his dutch clip and tree strap system, also thank you for all your great videos, it's motivated me to get myself out there more and also plan out hiking trips. I will be posting videos soon. Please subscribe to my channel, thanks again.
sintax77
I recently switched from an Eno hammock with the kammock straps to a blackbird XLC with the cinch buckle system. While I still need to order the dutch clip, the flexibility of use is amazing. It seems so much faster and easier to get the right sag with the cinch buckle than with the kammock straps.
been sick and just checked my msgs, thanks alot for this and the link you sent. you're awesome
I love your videos. I found these exact cinch buckles on ebay for $8/pair. I will be using the 1" straps that came with my Hennessy and reknot the cord from the hammock following a tutorial from another youtuber. Total cost
Nice.. I've been thinking about getting back into hammock camping.
I like those clips too.. I had a Trek Lite before.. and pulling the hammock tight enough to reach the next loop was a freakin pain in the butt.
Thanks for the video
Great video. Good explanations. I settled on a similar system and can't wait to use it this year, the only difference is that I'm using Black Diamond Neutrinos instead of Dutch Clips. The great thing about using carabiners or Dutch clips is that it keeps the Nylon from chewing through itself!
fromkentucky Yeah, my friend went with Neutrinos too and it works very well for him.
I really enjoy your videos. I live in N GA and planning to complete the 70+ miles of the AT. Not at once of course. If possible I would like to see a complete demo of the Cinch Buckles during hammock set up. Thanks and keep the videos coming
Rich
I really like your adventure videos.
great info, i just got back from a awesome trip with kenneth kramm.. i used fixed knots with the amsteal, looking for a change.... looking forward for more hammock talk..
..bill
take care always bro... i realy like ur advnture vids... i'm looking forward to do some solo hiking... if i came back to my native country philippines... i realy mis alot hiking.... god bless u always sintax...
Nice, I'm looking for alternatives to the webbing suspension on the Blackbird. This looks like a good option.
Have you looked into whoopie slings? Aside from having a cool name, they are also very light and adjustable.
Yes, just haven't gotten around to trying them out yet. Couldn't resist trying out the simplicity of the strap systems first, but the low weight of whoopies is certainly intriguing. ..
Looks like a good system. Those Kammock Python straps look just like ENO Atlas Straps, or vise versa.
shcmoly Yes, my friend has the Atlas straps. Very similar system.
As always, good stuff.
Thanks for sharing this video. Exactly what I wanted to know.
you could use the dutchware on the atlas straps also.
Hmmm sort of looks like the suspension system on the amok draumr 3.0, but hey I'm no expert. I've been looking for this hardware to simplify and accelerate my set up time.
New hammock? Guessing by your earlier comment of choosing between a strap or whoopie sling system when purchasing your hammock, is it a Warbonnet? I would really like to see what your thoughts are either way, great videos
What are the advantages of this system over using pair of rappell rings? I use two omega pacific rings on each strap tied to a climbing carabiner with stock Hennessy cordage (total weight 12.25 oz). Setup is super fast (about a minute) and easy with the rings, though I admit this system is a few oz lighter. Mine was setup exactly like this
hennessy hammock ultra fast set up technique, easy, adjustable and great tension!
Love your videos by the way
So taking into account the 5 oz. saved from removing the original Hennessy rope, your new suspension system actually saves more like 9 oz. That sound right?
Great .. thanks for the idea... I also saw on pathfinder channel, using sections of 10 foot climbing rope. I've been meaning to try that.. Have you? Thanks for the vids bud, I'm a fan.
good video, verry informative..do you pan on trying out whoopies eventually? I have them on a couple of my hammocks and I love them.Also I may have already mentioned this but, Hammcok forums has a ton info. for the beginner and advanced hammoc camper..As always keep up the good work
Another great video. I have been looking at these for my Black Bird but haven't done it yet. May get them now. How about doing something on the tarp Fly? I've been looking at that for a while.
Thanks, I'll have to do something on the fly in the future as well. Stay tuned :)
Are the python straps better than the ENO Slap Straps? Also since you like doing charts on all your gear for trips and finding out the weights and everything check out the Gram Weenie App. I just downloaded it and its awesome. You can create an inventory of all of your gear with weights(grams or ounces). Then you can create trips and select the gear from your inventory to create your loadout. It separates from base weight/consumables as well as what your wearing/carrying.
Hey Sintax I found out that adding prusik knots on a continus ridge line gives you adjust ability, kind of like the buckles. Just something to think about.
Thanks, man. One of these days I'm gonna get some motivation and step my knot game up ;)
I got the python straps. They work great, I like them. Sintax77 come out to California and make a video or two!
Gonna hit Cali one of these days. Just waiting for the right opportunity.
sintax77 If everything doesn't burn down you're going to love it. Want to check out the Whites after watching your vids. We need rain! Send some our way.
Thanks for the information. I ordered a system for my Hennessy Hammock and I've just received my package from Dutch. Where do you normally attach the fly - the cordage that Hennessy provides has a prusik knot to attach the standard rain fly - where do you suggest attaching that? Also how do they cinch clips operate with the snake skins - I'm big on a quick set up and quick take down so I don't want to lose the snake skins.
Doug Gordon I switched over to keeping my tarp in it's own snake skins and tying it directly to the tree, separate from the hammock, a while back and really enjoy using it that way now. It reduces sag and allows for higher configurations for standing under it. It took me a while to convince myself to make the switch, but I'm glad I did.
As for the hammock itself, I just stuff it in a regular stuff sack with the end of the suspension lines right at the top - setup is still very quick. Double ended stuff sacks are awesome as well. I find the more important item for snake skins to be the tarp now days.
I have been using the strap/buckle setup for awhile and I love the weight and ease of use. Do you use a continuous ridgeline with your hex tarp? If so, do you put the tarp over the ridgeline or under? Just curious. Great vid helpful
I may experiment with a CRL in the future, but for now I enjoy simply running individual lines with Dutch Wasps off each end of the tarp. Setup and takedown is pretty smooth.
I use the over on good weather and under when it's raining. They both work well.
I prefer straps over whoopee slings. (BLASPHEMY!) I find straps easier to adjust and just a simpler setup. They are a little more bulky though, and I guess they are maybe a few ounces heavier. But it's extra weight that I'm willing to carry for the convenience. I recently went the cheap route and made a set of buckles for a friend. The cinch buckles are like $5 for a pair, and I had the Amsteel already to make continuous loops. My setup is similar, but I use strap buckles instead of cinch buckles. These also work as a de facto water break.
I too have this suspension on my Hennessy. Any suggestions on attaching the stock rain fly or tarp onto the cinch buckle?
I want to replace the suspension ropes on my Hennessy and I'm considering this system. Have you had any issues with these buckles slipping or twisting? Is this still the system that you would recommend? Thanks for your help, and for all the information in your videos.
I've use a lot different systems since making this video, but the cinch buckles seen here are probably my most commonly used go-to system. They still work great, are relatively inexpensive and are very simple to use. If you want to get fancier and spend a couple more bucks, they also have an even lighter titanium system that works well too.
I am looking into getting a Hammock system soon myself, but I am looking at the ENO Single Nest system. Have you thought of this maybe for your wife? I know they make a 2 person hammock as well.
silentpaw I've heard positive things about the ENO's, but my Hennessy Expedition still works nicely, so between the two systems, I figure my wife and I should be covered for a trip. For now at least, haha.
Awesome setup, when I switched I vowed to never sleep on the ground again, and haven't. I've since made my own UQ & TQ, using quilt shells from underquilts.com and 800 fil goose from wildernesslogics.com
Not sure if your into it like that, I have never used a sowing machine prior to making my quilts.
How hard was it to attach to your hammock? I just ordered a set for a blackbird xlc so I guess I'll find out.
rogue109 Very quick and simple. No problem at all with the Hennessy - I assume the Blackbird equally easy.
Great vid.
Peace, Dutch
Thom Ressler Thanks, Dutch. You're an A++ vendor, no doubt :)
Just to let you know (Dutch), this video caused me to buy the same buckle system with 6 wasps and 4 clips. Sintax77 is getting the word out. :-)
I am releasing a titanium version on 9-29. They weigh 1.5 grams each and have a V in the back they are more stable. There was a rush on cinch buckles when you posted that vid. You rightfully have a big audience.
Thom Ressler Saw some sneak peak pics on HammockForums the other night. They look awesome!
Hi there,
I am new to this. I am planning on going with the cinch system, because of your video. How does the fly connect into this system? it has that set built into the line, so once it is pulled from my Hennessey Hammock, how does that get set up? thanks for the help.
Charlie
Charles Lynch sintax77 Any thoughts??
Charles Lynch The fly gets tied to the trees completely seperate from the hammock.
Thanks Tyler
+Charles “Clinch” Lynch Actually if your using a hennessy hammock your rainfly is separate but be sure that when you switch out the stock line for the "continuous loop" from dutch that you run the new loop THROUGH the hoop for the RIDGELINE. Itll be self explanatory and very obvious to you once you open it up and take a look but do not forget this little step.
have u ever used just plain ratchet straps for your hammocks?
Thanks 👍 great video thanks
Whoopie slings all the way. They are epic.
What about just doing knots? I am interested to upgrade from my HH hyperlight that is getting old. Looking into a Darien but am confused about the hang system to go for.
You can totally do knots. In fact that's exactly the system that my Hennessy hammock came stock with. Personally, I found it to a bit to time consuming, especially if re-adjustments were needed. If you're looking to get a Darien and are interested in a lighter, yet simple alternative to the straps, I would recommend the whoopie sling add on directly from Dream Hammoock, or a pair of whoopie hooks from Dutchware (that's what I currently use). They're not quite as fast to fine tune as the straps, but they offer far lighter weight and volume and are dead simple. Either way, I'd say you'd be just fine with either the straps or whoopies, which are both available as add-ons to the Darien.
Thank you for the suggestions, how does the Darien compare to the Hennessey HL in interior space & weight? Geez my choice is getting more difficult to make, I found some good reviews for the warbonnet blackbird. Any experience on that model you could share?
What are people's opinions on the SlapStraps?
It really depends on you, are you trying to lighten your load out or the weight isn't an issue. I done most straps. I settled with whoopies 1" nylon strap and a marlon spike. For me it's about cutting my base weight down, currently at 15lbs base.
Do they have a 2 person hammock?
THE501to859 The ENO Doublenest comes to mind. It's marketed as a 2 person hammock, although I don't know how it would be to actually sleep that way? Might catch an elbow or 2, haha.
did you get 8" loops or did you go with 15"?
Went with 15's for my Hennessy. Left me with plenty of slack.
sintax77 Thanks for the response.
whoopie slings bro.
The Dutchware system is garbage, the clip will fray and destroy the straps and they do not warranty or stand behind their products. Best to support another company that has lifetime warranties like the python straps.
to much talk..but thanks...