Tesla Chief Engineer BLOWS Sandy Munro’s Mind!!
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In a recent interview with Tesla's Chief Engineer, Lars Moravy, he and Sandy Munro discussed the size of the IDRA giga presses needed to create the Cybertruck's castings--and what Lars told Sandy not only blew Sandy's mind but mine too! Rivers of metal flowing in fractions of a second to create these giant castings on Model Y giga presses is pretty wild!
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What no one says is that it is clear that elon have honoured and acknowledged Sandy's expertise and knowledge in the industry, Sandy is a legend himself
Being mutual fans is not a good look. Electrek is run by original tesla car/share owner fans who respect their independence sufficiently to NOW be banned by Elon Musk .
Oh it’s clear to those who know. They gave this dude full access and it’s some of the best press they could have ever done. Basically have him walk through half the secrets to confirm it’s engineering prowess from another well respected engineering person/community
Having Sandy evaluate how they are building the CT was a genius marketing move for Tesla and Munro.
You guys need to find a room
Some folks may be familiar with metal casting from high school shop class but die casting is much more akin to injection plastic molding. When designing parts you always consider how metal or plastic behaves as a fluid: how it flows. Usually the injection process happens in seconds or fractions of a section and is complicated by the rapid cooling of the fluid. They make good software to simulate the flow and to predict where the fluid may not reach parts of the mold cavity or create "knit" lines where the molten metal or plastic doesn't meld together. The collaboration between the part designers and manufacturing is mostly tweaks to where the gates are located (where metal enters the mold) and the timing.
As a mechanical engineer, when they had this interaction I was again blown away by the integration and pace of iteration between all of Tesla's teams. It is utterly astounding!
What it emphasises in Musk's (Tesla's) acceptance of truth, and first-principles engineering. Sandy calls a spade a spade - even when the design of something is shoddy. Sandy calls Tesla out when he sees something "odd" or impractical - and Tesla listens... Sometimes, the truth hurts, but Tesla is not proud... Where criticism is deserved, they respect the opinions of industry experts.
Tesla made the “mistake” of developing Model 3 without industry experts. Result was a fussy build with a crummy fit and finish. That gave Tesla the kick they needed to rethink the whole thing.
I watched the video of Munro touring the Gigatexas line where they cut and form the stainless body panels. It was crazy to see the engineers spend 45 minutes walking him through every step of a brand new proprietary process with no worries about another company having the capability of copying it.
When I was young, all car companies made expensive advertisements, showing a half naked hooker sitting on the bonnet of the car, showing legs. Nowadays Tesla lets an elderly engineer and some younger, showing the viewers the entire production, while they are explaining even the small technical details, for nerds like us. This is marketing 2023. Thank you Elon, for pushing developement of the planet and our culture.
By the time they copy it, it will be obsolete.
Yup. By the time the competition have figured out how to replicate it, Tesla is already working on a new design and process. They are not concerned at all. Elon’s attitude is the more people that can get on board, the faster we will save the planet. ✊
Tesla’s processes are the machine that makes the machines. These gigafactories can be replicated in any country by Tesla. Make vehicles where they are needed so you minimize transport across the world.
@@joesegreti3124 I agree they can be replicated in any country. I don’t believe they can be replicated by any company. Ask graduating engineers in the US what their dream job is and the top two answers are Tesla and SpaceX. When they were trying to perfect this process there were pictures taken of parking lots full of failed casting attempts. When you hire the smartest people in a given field and you give them the resources to fail until they get it right it’s amazing what you can accomplish. A company that lives from one quarterly financial statement to the next will never allow that.
Sandy’s latest vid which toured the production line was insane. The gigafactory is something else. They put their methods on full display for everyone to copy. They named their suppliers for tooling and their methods. They made partnerships with companies to make laser cutters with a level of precision orders of magnitude greater than what is currently mainstream.
But it doesn’t mean does they will get the same. Tesla is not dumb they just bought companies what they need and now they just work exclusively for Tesla and they are not allowed to sale there products to same one else. Before Tesla they sold equipment to all other car manufacturers.
@@wolfgangselle4307 does Tesla own Idra?
"... in full display for transparency..." China companies may think they can copy it. But it ain't possible as the key ingredients are NOT copyable. It is the software and skilled people few companies have. Certain not China!. Germany and UK possibly!.
@@brendanmeyler1641 I didn’t mean IDRA. I was talking in general about Tesla. For example they bought a German company few ago ( have a look at Wikipedia or google the name is now Tesla Automation ) this company is producing now exclusively the most parts ( machinery / equipment ) for the Tesla battery production. Before they was working for other ( almost all ) other car companies. But now they are just allowed to produce and sale to Tesla.
@@brendanmeyler1641no he's talking about Tesla automation. They were a big German tool supplier to a lot of big car companies.
Antoni Gaudi, the famous Spanish architect whose quirky structures in Barcelona attract attention from all of the world's serious architects, based much of his design formulae on natural phenomena - particularly plants. So when Lars said "flows like a river" I immediately thought of Gaudi who used nature as a key design influence.
Excellent observation there Bruno.
When I first saw the video of the front casting, I noticed the curvilinear channels that I call ribs on either side of the wheel well and noticed that the advantage that one gets from using these curvilinear channels is multiple. Yes, you get a faster a flow of the liquid through the mold and more likely even cooling of the entire mold which also reduces the potential for warping, especially given that the ribs act like stability fins of for the thicker metal parts of the structure.
I have a feeling Cybertruck is going to disrupt the truck industry. Basically all the journalist and a lot of truck owners as well as FORD is saying that the Cybertruck have no chance. But I have a feeling from TESLA's marketing (allowing access to the engineers, designers and people working on the floor) might actually sway buyers. No marketing types trying to sell the truck but people working on the assembly line. Seeing the factory and the people working on the truck makes me salivate and I know from the type of people the buy trucks this is their interest as well. So the thinking is that traditional truck buyers will not purchase a cybertruck. I think this will change once the truck is common on the roads. Some off roaders will try it and if it works it will take that by storm as well. Fixability on the trail might be an issue but we will see.
We tend to forget that Elon Musk is not the only smart person at TESLA. He surrounds himself with people that is just as good or better than he is.
I agree. Insulting critics claim Real Pickup Men won’t buy, ‘cause RPM hate change. Remember when Real Construction Men wouldn’t be caught dead with a cordless tool? Times, and people, change…
@DrKnowItAll .... I assume that Tesla creates a 3D printed model of the diecast part; Set the model into a casting mold; remove the model and reset the mold for the hot aluminum to be poured into it. Once cooled the mold is opened and cleaned for the next diecasting. The finished casting is cleaned up and measurements checked for accuracy for assembly.
Good point regarding the 6,000 ton press being able to cast the Cybertruck front, leaving Two 9,000 ton presses to cast the rears, doubling the potential output.
A key point you might want to dive into - Sandy saying “Retooling?!?” I think this is important that Tesla is innovating on materials and new processes constantly.
Look at Sandy’s recent factory tour video - The Aluminum-Bronze die blew his mind on the door inner press. Also, the way they join the door inner and outer. More examples of new materials and processes at Tesla.
The metal is not injected directly onto that cross bar. What can’t be seen on a finished part is all of the material that has been trimmed away. If you can see images of an untrimmed casting, you will see a massive cylindrical feature, which is the injection point, and webbing leading from there to the finished component; all of which are trimmed away in the finished part. It is surprising how much material is removed and recycled. An untrimmed part has a horizontal panel that connects to the bottom interior edges of the finished part. This horizontal panel distributes the molten metal to all of the finished features before it can cool and freeze causing a short shot.
Good description of the way people have been casting metal for the last 2500 years…
Those Deep ribs can be adjusted for depth to get Most of the Cooldown distortion out. Fine Tuning wb done to the Mold itself.
Consistency with the Injection process, will Probably make the Castings hold tolerances within a Range of 1mm (.04") OR +/- .5mm from nominal. When it’s bolted to the Exoskeleton , will get even more accurate, (that last bit of spring).
Magnesium was possibly added to the formula, maybe some Tin also, both would help with Flow.
I wonder if the "Vents" have a Vacuum assist to Pull the trapped air out, ahead of the "flow".
Cheers from San Diego
factoring in giga press downtime for retooling and maintenance explains the large number of castings we see in the drone flyovers of Austin.
This is an example of what Wall Street keeps missing about how Tesla distanced itself from legacy manufacturers. 😊
WS low-cognition “analysts” are too busy to watch this video.
And how haters only blab on about panel gap as if that's the end-all measure of quality.
I have actually completed one of those paint by numbers you have behind you
I'm glad you caught the Giga press issue, I watched Sandy's video and it went right over my head! Thanks!!
"Big auto will just copy what Tesla is doing..."
I can't remember if I ever heard any OEM say that their "material scientists" are on the case.
Does GM or Ford even _have_ any scientists? It sure doesn't seem like it!
In fact, Elon has 'open-sourced' the battery charging design and software for the last 15 years.
I will give you three guesses which of the Legacy Auto have looked at the designs seriously?
@@TheAefril They all CLEARLY made a mistake.
"Drivers who already own EVs from some of these brands will get access to 15,000 Tesla Superchargers via an adapter starting in 2024. That includes the earliest ones to announce the switch to NACS: Ford, GM, Rivian, Volvo, Polestar, Mercedes, Nissan, Honda, and Jaguar..."
I never imagined fluid dynamics would be so important in auto manufacturing. IMO it's truly advanced (next generation) stuff.
I have a background in manufacturing engineering and I can assure you that if the part engineer works closely with the tooling engineer (tool & die) you can make a stronger part and a manufacturing friend part. The clamping pressure of the press depends on the face to face area. So if a part is designed with much of the mass deep in the die rather than facing the other 1/2 of the die you can decrease the clamping pressure.
1. As I discussed with Scott Walker, the risk of casting machine downtime drives the inventory levels. The risk of a missing casting part shutting down the line is mitigated by inventory. This is contrary to the Toyota system "just in time (JIT)" inventory.
2. I assume the casting is cast upside down, so the casting material does not flow up to the top of the casting, but flows down to the most extreme point (like a river flows downhill).
I would not be surprised if the whole casting section has the air pumped out during forming in a curve to optimize metal flow in minimum time. Less opportunity for air bubbles to be trapped in the part 😊
The material is injected at 20 bar (290 psi) and fills the void in about 10/15 seconds. See IDRA PDF for info - idragroup.com/sites/default/files/download/gigapressen-idra_0.pdf
Dr Know it all, I want to commend you on stepping up and getting rid of the “very, verys”. You da man!
Lars' knowledge of CT design as well as manufacturing is truly impressive. My experience is mechanical design and manufacturing are two different disciplines that often conflict with one another. Chief Engineers of large OEMs just don't have the intricate knowledge of either the design or manufacturing of their product, let alone being so familiar, and apparently, hands on with both disciplines.
Elon, by the process of training his employees and assigning them responsibilities has created that culture throughout.
Tesla’s Elon Musk is The Genius of the modern era. He inspires his CoWorkers to accomplish the seemingly impossible - By Example.
He strives to hire Highly Qualified People at All levels - the Opposite of unions.
Cheers
For most LEGA Chief Engineers, it’s not “their” product. Some other company makes the part. Company Other may have a competent Chief Engineer, or …
It is fluid dynamics, the final result has resistance to flow just less than it would otherwise be. Flow resistance through a curve over 90 degrees is less than a hard 90 degree elbow.
The material is injected on between the wheel wells the runner and gates are removed from this casting it is important size all gates ad runners so the material flows to all the locations and arrives at the exact same moment
I took what the engineer said about where the liquid metal flows in to mean not at the connecting bridge as Dr. K-I-A said, but more centrally into the two wheel wells - the largest masses of the casting. If you jump to 9:30 and pause, you'll see the remnants of what could be one of the in-gates. On the smooth face of the far side, it looks like a small vertical reinforcement near the hole. I'm assuming there are in-gates in that location on both wheel wells. Metal flowing in from those locations makes more sense relative to the 'flowing river' analogy as on the near side you can visualise the metal flowing out to the edges of the casting with the ribs designed to provide a smoother flow. 'Rivers' only flow one way efficiently and I think it's fairly obvious from the pattern of ribs that the metal was flowing from near where they converge than from the opposite direction.
I would love to see 👀 the Stress Calculations on that casting. Considering that this is the stress frame for the Front Suspension of an SUV then any rough roads and terrain with put high twisting forces across that casting. Not sure that it will survive that ?
BMW used Alloy Castings in suspension components of the early M5 SUV and they had to make design changes to subsequent models because they under estimated all the lateral loads the can occure with rough terrain. ? ⚠️
Impressive castings, you can see from the depth of the webs and the number of injection points, they are trying to achieve two things….. a high rate of flow and stability as the casting cools. This is serious engineering !
We come back to this over and over again! We didn't miss tough they could use less pressforce 6500 tones!
On Munro's factory tour it was stated that the line can run at 60s/vechicle
One shift: 60min x 8 hours x 5 days x 50 weeks == 120,000 vehicles /year
One shift: 60min x *_16_* hours x 5 days x 50 weeks == *_240,000_* vehicles/year. Run it 20 hours (allow four hours for maintenance) a day and One shift: 60min x *_20_* hours x 5 days x 50 weeks == *_300,000_* vehicles/year. There were *_TWO_* lines set up in Sandy's tour. How many vehicles/year would that make? I don't think line capacity will be the limiting factor here. 4680 production may be the limit.
The bombshells were so many and so frequent at some point Sandy didn't know what he came for...
I interpreted it differently. He might have meant a production cycle of 5000 units allowing them to retool and do another cycle for another part. Thus they can share and cycle the gigga presses for max value. All the best from down under, you do great work.
The 4-sided reinforcements and right angles in the casting could allow more surface area in the die
than the triangles mentioned by Sandy, and would be one way to regulate cooling rate and uniformity of the casting material.
I am familiar with a process similar to what they are doing here but on a smaller scale. The machine does not break down often and when it does it is usually fairly easy to fix. What the Tesla engineer was talking about was the Die, not the press. The die having a failure is a LOT of work to fix. If you have two dies then you have one active and the other is being checked and refreshed. The die is usually MANY pieces of metal with heating and cooling channels running through it. If just one of those pieces in the die has a problem that is some pretty complex, custom machining to remake it. In a facility like this, a great Tool and Die person is worth their weight in gold and they are getting harder and harder to find.
Legacy auto makers are playing catch-up with Tesla. Except that when their technology and manufacturing methodology eventually catch-up (most likely with the aid and input of next-gen AGI) it'll be too late, Tesla's dominance of the marketplace will most likely be insurmountable
Legacy auto is at an extreme disadvantage. They can't put 100% of their effort into EVs. If they did, they'd destroy their source of income playing catch up. And the leadership would be shown the door. This can be seen at Ford and GM now. They're having to slow down their transition to EVs. Even as the world market for EVs is accelerating.
Tesla is dominating nothing and becomes realy fast irrelevant!BYD is dominating right now!
I saw yesterday that Tesla is recalling hundreds of thousands of vehicles…. and Tesla sell nowhere near the volumes of Chinese manufacturers…. a company can’t dominate a market selling only expensive top end vehicles….
Teslas ev marketshare has fallen to 11% in Europa and without the Taxinsentivs that are protecting Tesla from the foreign competition like Hyundai Kia,Tesla would have the same marketshare in the US!
Juet watch the horrible numbers incoming from Q4 maybe it will open your eyes,or maybe you still wont pull your head out of the sand and still ignoring reality!
They know that maintaining the tooling to a high level is automatable, and way cheaper than creating defective product to be reworked or recycled.
One thing that is overlooked about the Giga Castings, is when they are displayed and setup for production into the vehicles, they are rotated into the opposite position they were in when they were cast so gravity can also provide additional force to flow the molten metal.
I'm not so sure that "extra flow" is relevant as the Gigapress doesn't rely on gravity. In the Gigapress the aluminium is injected into the casting mold using a plunger providing a maximum of 81 metric tons of force. The liquid metal goes into the mold at a velocity of 10 metres per second (22 mph; 36 km/h). Perhaps what orientation the mold is has more to do with the axis of where the Gigapress can apply the 6,000 ton clamping together of the two halves of the mold. It likely also relates to efficiently opening/closing the mold halves & subsequent handling of the casting.
Cybertruck production capacity: At 60 jobs per hour (that's Sandy's reasonable guess). 60/hour x 20hours/day x 6 days/week = 7,200/week. That translates (with 50 weeks) into 360,000/year on a "normal" production schedule. It's possible to flex upward from there and, of course, an additional line could be built over time. (I spent ~40 years in the auto industry, from manufacturing to R&D to vehicle design, development and testing).
i think that Tesla is maxing out a press at just over a a minute per casting, and are basing their 5000/w on just relying on one press always being available.
Question: how easy will it be to fix a fender-bender with the CT?
If the fender is on another car, it will be expensive for that car owner. If the fender is on a cybertruck, it won't need repairs.
@@brunosmith6925 I actually am wanting to know how long to get body work done. Rivians have been reported to take months for the body parts to be available. A legitimate question….
GLAD I WAS NOTIFIED ABOUT THIS VIDEO !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Giant Hot Wheels car. Mattel has been focused on mold flow for decades with their Hot Wheels tooling department in Penang Malaysia. Single piece zinc - aluminum alloy chassis with no flashing. Curious if there is any post casting de-flashing processing required with these Tesla castings.
Mattel is going to take them to court for patent infringement :)
Patents are only valid 7-14 years.
And the whole point this is incredible, is how large it is. Hotwheels by default is not large.
Informative and nice presentation
Curious about the cycle time for both the 6000T and 9000T presses.
I’m curious about price delta. How much money did Tesla save?
How do they cast this shape. Do they use 3 pieces as I can’t see how they can cast that shape with 2 halves
I like Sandy Munro videos but often find him short of an explanation of things so that's where your videos are so helpful.
This interaction summarises in a nutshell why Musk's companies are so successful. Musk comes from a passion for software engineering and a Physics background. He does not guess if a process is efficient, he can find out, and if there is no reason for a convention it will scream at Elon as obvious BS. He liberates this instinct in his employees. The legacy auto industry is dead. It just has not realised yet. If you own their stock I would sell it now. They are all bust.
Spot on - I'm sure he is continually optimising and refactoring not just units along the process but the whole process as well as designing product to fit process and process to fit product. As an experienced engineer he will value simplicity at every level and will refactor and refactor until things are as simple as they can be. He will also have designed in the knowledge that he will need to make changes in the future i.e. strategically rather than tactically. I very much down that anyone in the industry will be able to retool their production process to roll out a new model as quickly as Tesla. Reuse is a big thing in software as well. I wonder how many components are shared between a cybertruck and an optimus v2...
Right you are. There is a great video from WeberAuto that describes all the systems that feed into the thermal management system - the Octa-valve to be specific. It's something like 15 different subsystems that share the cooling/heating system as a whole. Last summer I happened to visit Munro & Associates and asked one of their engineers, Anthony, how on Earth Tesla managed to get 15 different subsystem engineering groups to talk to each other to the extent necessary to be able to utilize a single thermal management system for all the subsystems that needed it. He said it was simple, each subsystem engineering "group" is ONE person. Hence coordination and project management is a lot easier to do. Truly amazing. I've been in technology engineering for almost 50 years and something like that would take eons to implement in an existing company like GM or Ford.
FYI - this is NOTHING new, I work in that "dead legacy" .. we've been doing mold flow computer analysis for several DECADES.. from before Tesla existed.
@@KrustyKlown oh great.you'll be fine then. 🙂
@@KrustyKlown ansys FTW. These folks are easily impressed, let them have their moment.
Cant you use laser for catting in order to make more precise in order to put giga partts together?
I'm gonna attempt to understand what you were trying to say. No they don't need to cut anything with laser when it comes to the giga casting because it's made as a single part to be extremely precise. The whole point is less parts which means less errors.
As a scientist I very much admire Tesla’s adherence to FIRST PRINCIPLE design and development. It sounds easy but it’s actually a difficult discipline which requires full tilt understanding of the product and needs of the user.
Flow is a science that has lots of variables airflow liquid flow etc.. can be tricky
The gigacast crush cans are replaceable with repair parts. So a low speed crash is repairable. Anything that impacts further in will scrap the body shell. Just like any other car.
My only concern with such big castings is whether it will make cars unrepairable because they're such an integral part of the cars whole structure. If someone damaged a wheel arch, which would normally be repairable, would that now necessitate that whole casting being replaced? Could it be replaced?
Dude normal car also unable to repair when it crashes in frame
Frame damage is frame damage, whether it's a steel extrusion or a cast part. For most frame damage, insurance will total the vehicle regardless as the repair costs outweigh the value in the vast majority of cases.
Tesla has addressed this. They have smaller pieces of the casting available for purchase.
@@richpalmisano1740 That's not true. A lot of damage is repairable. Most frames aren't extruded, either as they're usually steel, which tends to be press formed. Extrusion is more associated with aluminium used in bonded chassis such as a Lotus or Aston Martin.
Someone else replied saying that sections of the casting are made by Tesla to repair localised damage, which makes sense.
@@BGNOO7 Frames can be repairable and also, there are potentially parts of this casting that wouldn't normally be as structural. Someone else replied with a constructive answer, thanks.
I was impressed with liquid metal flowing like rivers as well. Pure genius. Tesla moves at the pace of thought. Jeannine
LOL .. NOTHING new .. that is how all molds have been designed using computers and mold flow software for several decades.
@@KrustyKlown Yet it still can be improved. Sometimes improvement comes from newer competition.
I saw a vid saying they are building the CyberTruck Foundation Series with 20k accessory packages so the all wheel costs 99k and the Beast 119k as available new orders til March 2024.
Of course molten metal flows like a river. It's a fluid. Just apply fluid dynamics for its properties.
But a closed mold holds air volume that must escape and be replaced.
They pull a vacuum in the mold. No air...@@jj4791
🎯 Key Takeaways for quick navigation:
01:13 🏭 *Tesla achieves efficiency by using the same size press for front Giga casting on Cybertruck as Model Y, showcasing design and manufacturing synergy.*
02:33 🔄 *Tesla's iterative process, involving in-house die designers and casting engineers, reduces the expected 8,000-ton press requirement for the Cybertruck's front Giga casting to the same as the Model Y, highlighting adaptive design practices.*
07:30 🏭 *Giga casting technology enables rapid production with potential weekly output of 5,000 Cybertrucks, showcasing Tesla's manufacturing capabilities and efficiency.*
10:44 🔧 *Tesla's Material Science team, possibly the world's best, develops an exotic aluminum variant for Giga casting, allowing smooth metal flow, rapid cooling, and high structural integrity.*
13:36 🚗 *Giga casting design incorporates safety features, such as crushable areas and strategic battery placement, contributing to Tesla's vision of creating the safest truck, while eliminating traditional safety concerns like impalement risks.*
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Yes, Teslas real contribution to society is really its engineering ethos and no one is seeing it. He boldly defies the risk aversion that so many other companies are controlled by and he incorporates failure into the design process again no other companies do this, or not to his extent. Its brilliant really, and we need this. Another thing no one is realizing is his design ethos, innovation, instead of benchmarking his products so he doesn't make a product any more or less competitive he goes all out and simply makes the best product humanly possible and the most innovative and disrupts the market. No one realizes how calculated this is, its right out of Game Theory iterated prisoners dilemma and Nash Equilibrium strategies. Young people don't see it as clearly because cars have always been the way they are to them, but as an old guy, I have watched the auto industry slowly over time collectively screw the public with their ever more cheaply built pieces of shit cars that have become ever more unreliable and ever more less performing and glitchy to the point now where they cant even keep the AC working for more than a few years or a heater core from leaking, things that would routinely last 200,000 miles or 20 years. All the legacy automakers are hurting right now, ... and I'm fucken liking it.
You are deluded. There is nothing that tesla does that someone hasn't already done. As for being quality products... ffs.
@@TrevorSachkoheat pumps, octovalves, Giga castings, steer by wire, vision based self-driving, UI controlled functions, and high performance electric vehicles.
But, other than that, what have they done?
@@scotteladd2537 So all things that have been done before. Muppet.
@@scotteladd2537 He didn't invent that stuff you dingdong he incorporated it
Sandy's Tesla factory series is a shining example to show the world a working blueprint of how manufacturing can be upgraded to new levels of efficiences 😊
I find this totally within the scope of Elon Musk's vision to help humanity grow multi-planetary with a better environment moving forward.
The impact from this series, how it is being presented with supporting information is much more effective than traditional advertising.🤗
To me this signals that Tesla is slowing implementing its end goal of a fully casted car. I remember a TED talk years ago about designing aeroplanes using AI and it was able to removing a ridiculous amount of mass from the end product without reducing structural integrity.
If Tesla can create a fully casted AI designed car and scale this in Mexico, legacy auto is DOOOMED!
Legacy automotive manufacturers are already doomed!
Can someone tell me why is a press being used while making the alloy castings.
Holding the tooling together. A lot of liquid metal is flowing in VERY quickly. Basically that is a huge hydraulic force pushing everything apart in all directions. Bigger piece, more metal moving faster, more force. Until you end up with insane amounts of Italian steel to contain the madness.
@@geirmyrvagnes8718 Thank you for that information, it all makes sense now.
In the US there are more than 3 million pick up trucks sold each year, so if Tesla can just take 10 % of that market, it's 300.000 Cybertrucks per year.
At some point in the future, they may be able to cast out an entire chassis in one or two pieces. 👏
Tesla can keep doing the 250k/yr at Austin but needs to hire one or more contract Tier 0.5 suppliers with assembly experience (eg Magna) to open additional cybertruck assembly plants, with suitable design changes (narrower, shorter bed, lower power and weight, etc) in locations like Europe, China, SW Asia, Africa, S America, ...
In your dreams, Magnaboy. TESLA ain’t Mercedes-Benz
@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck What's Merc have that Tesla doesn't?
Any progress update on the Cyberlandr?
They canceld it for Disneyland!
@@brunoheggli2888Cyberlandr concept was an expanding pod that could accommodate 2 people and would be carried in the bed of the Cybertruck during transport and then pop up when at the campground.
@@commuterbranchline8132Thats even worse!So so sad!
GREAT VIDEO. STOPPED SAVING FOR FSD CYBER BEAST. BOUGHT TESLA SHARES EARLY THIS YEAR. DELIVERY NUMBER 90K. THIS MIGHT JUST WORK OUT.
You could say that the metal pathways in the die have low resistance.
If anybody with good connections to Tesla is reading this please pass along this idea to expand sales: For people living in apartments or those who must park on streets and have no means for charging at home, Tesla should offer charging at cost at their nearest supercharger.
How do you repair this casting after frontal crash?
Big problem for insurance companies…. Brings the premiums up and back to the consumer/driver to bear the costs for a very limited repair opportunity.
If the crash was so dramatic to damage the casting the vehicle is probably a right off as in any vehicle. Although as Musk has explained these can be repaired the damaged part cut out and a replacement part welded back in.
I like Krazy Glue. My revivifier stitched by head on to my neck 😷
I want to know Sandy’s thoughts on the truck’s giant flat windshield, and how potentially dangerous that is with Sun reflecting into the eyes of oncoming drivers.
It's not flat. It has a slight curve and Franz mentioned this I think in a previous Munro video.
The windshield isn’t flat and it points to the sky, so it’s a non-issue.
Cheers
@@Julian-1111 are you saying the glass is curved?
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Yes, it’s curved outward and will disperse light, not return it.
Cheers
The only way that curved windshield could reflect a small amount would be if the CT was on its side.
Cheers
Watched the Aussie engineer’s breakdown of the cyber truck crash test.
He calls it a road ready coffin.
Check it out.
Hear that NORAD overflight at 4:10?
~6 he didn't say "multiple machines",
They have multiple dies they're swapping out on one machine.
Batteries with these... are going to be a much bigger problem than any silly little molds. 😳
That casting is probably upside down when it is being casted. Why not have gravity help?
You can certainly see the benefits of owning a rocket company and applying that technology to making cars. 😀
Fascinating. One question: how does the body react in a collision? Does it crush, and how? It's all the same thickness right?
Photos of the crash test CT show the casting deformed with ripped chunks (not repairable). Typically it is good practice to keep wall thickness uniform but sometimes you need thicker channels to flow metal to the far reaches of the mold.
Recent news said GM bought the company that made the dies, for billions of dollars. Suggesting this gave them a position in Tesla's business. If true what a folly.
Tesla has its own die shop and clearly their own technology.
Perhaps GM is actually revising its own manufacturing. If so this information should be of help to them.
The firm that GM bought was a sand casting one, completely different tech. It had also been on the market for a number of months. So it can be assumed Tesla had a chance if they wanted, but looked at it and went nope.
Realistically now they have nailed die casting, why would they go back to sand casting. Lower production rates, more failures, lots more machining, so higher overall cost.
I considered that sand casting may be involved in manufacturing the die. When the furnace was installed on the Tesla die shop that could be for melting the exotic metal the die is made of. Once the die is cast they would machine finish and coat it as needed. The die itself is filled with passages for heat management and the injection of liquid metal flow, hence sand casting.
And you are right Tesla was not interested in the purchase.@@derrickstableford8152
MIND BLOWING next 12 months: On 12/20/24, CyTk @ 100k/yr run rate & Rising, V12 FSD is level 5 capable, Optimus is building Optimus and deployed in factories, 4680 production massive, Energy revenue DOUBLE today, World's Largest Exaflop Super computer Dojo, Grok Fully Audible UI for all vehicle Operating Systems....REVENUE PROJECTION MODELS WILL BE CONSTANTLY REVISED HIGHER ...THEN ADD "$25k" Model 2 starting production ....Today IS the STARTING LINE of the MASSIVE SCALE RAMP OF ALL REVENUE GENERATORS. TSLA is THE winner. 10X from here.
Hahahaha...you are so silly!
thanks...........
You need to sync your audio, your video is about 80-100ms ahead of the audio.
It’s amazing how fast they can build them and be so slow at fixing them
An energy intense process to melt AU is not cheap.
"We are going back and forth on simulations..." . The last word is key!. Tesla has the most sophisticated simulation software on the planet!. It is used in SpaceX. So "rocket science" grade simulations used for automotive. Plus they had the best software optimization people as well, so legacy "Big Auto" has no chance. Yes, No chance to even match!. You already know Tesla improve their tools weekly. Big Auto do not change tools for years.... I have been telling a friend an analogy: It is like comparing the caveman to a biblical times fisherman. The caveman at best has a spear, no boat, limited mobility. The fisherman has a boat, sails, oars and crew, has nets. So the fisherman can catch 100X more fish per person than a caveman.... Quality of tools and quality of crew makes that difference. And that is before optimizations and simulations.....
If one of the large castings is damaged in a minor crash it's going to total the vehicle driving insurance cost to spiral out of control.
If the casting only costs ~$3,000, It will save you $30,000. Because waaay less labor to build a new front end with control arms, body panels, etc. and just Bolt it on and go. Instead of the current method of drilling spot weds and fabbing up a bunch of mis-fitting steel stampings in black primer. Then sanding and body filling. Masking, And painting.
Tesla has no paint, the panels are perfect as they come. And everyrhing unbolts and bolts back together with no fabricating skills whatsoever. Its literally legos compared to custom metal fabrication and paint work...
You really don't understand body work. The casting will cost $20000 and you will have to completely disassemble the truck to install and when you try to install you will find what it is bolted to is out of alignment. Did you hear about the Rivian that had a bumper tap that cost $42,000 to repair.
I find it humorous that 350,000 tesla cybertrucks might be made in Texas, but none of them can be sold to a customer in Texas! Elon is smart enough to ignore that insult while reaping the benefits of low taxes! This raises the question - do the Texas showrooms for Tesla now have the ability to sell them? I can't find the answer with Google.
Amazing company
Tesla is TARGETING 250,000 units per year....but I do not think that happens soon. Maybe they hit a run rate of 250K by the end of 2025. I am hoping by summer of 2025 to get mine. Should have the bugs out by then.
Liquid metal? That gives me T1000 vibes.
The Tesla team think Sandy Monroe for heading up there PR team for the last 4 years
And now - Teslarati tells that Giga Mexico will also produce CyberTruck!
There’s been widespread collapsible steering shafts for 60 years. Steer by wire sounds great until the wiring fails. Then what?
AI + CFD for the win
I reckon his mind was already blown about 30 years ago.
I used to be neuroactively challenged. Then my revivifier got me a new brain from the City Morgue!
From Abby Normal collection?@@FrunkensteinVonZipperneck
Metal flowing like rivers is not new you can see that in videos of old like the Industrial Revolution
All this T 1000 talk. Are these guys gearing up to make cyborgs?😂
Thumbnail looks like Seed from Far Cry 5.
More Art Nouveau, less Art Deco.
24 hours x 7 days =168 hours. 5,000 units divided by 168 hours is 30 per hour, so that's 30 an hour or 1 mold every 2 minutes 24 hours a day non stop for 7 days. you don't think that's a bit of a stretch?
Alright, I can tell that you aren't used to voicing ads. ;-)