The background for this album "The story is inspired by a diary that Jeremy found in the backseat of a car while working as a repo man. He discovered he had a lot in common with its author. He kept it and let us in on it. The diary told of the author being adopted and looking for his real parents. The names of each song are named after people in the diary. Each person he meets sort of points him in the direction of his biological parents." The thought that the album is based on a real diary is not a pleasant one considering the contents of the album but we don't know how much is influence from the diary. Also according to Cedric The Widow is about the fear of god. His mother raised him not to love God but fear him, which is why today he does not want to believe in a "God" but have his own beliefs. This is the very basics of the story which doesn't explain everything but there are no clear answers for everything. There are still a bunch of different theories. They actually released a guidebook for this album that helps explain a lot years after it's release. Frances is the diary writer's mother. Vismund Cyngus is the writer who is trying to find his birth parents. The other characters are who he meets on his journey to find them. He goes to a morgue which has bodies that were mishandled by a mortician either out of neglect or a cover up and searches for clues to his origin. The widow is about a drug dealer of some kind. His mother gave birth to him as a result of a clergyman raping her and the other clergy in the church knew but did nothing. He was an attempted abortion by the clergyman cutting into the womb with an icepick but this led to his birth instead and she died. L'Via is his aunt and she is hiding from the church and changed her last name. Miranda is his grandmother who tried to expose the church but was ignored. He finds out about all of this and goes on a quest to kill the people responsible. Cassandra Gemini is about how he has fallen from grace and is a killer just like the people he is murdering.
I'm not sure the references to icepicks throughout the album should be interpreted literally, as actual icepicks. The references to icepicks in cassandra gemini, for instance, seem purely metaphorical -- an attempt to express what it feels like to be raped.... "icepicks cumming tonight"
First of all, thank you for doing this and thank you for not giving up. I was so afraid after day 2, your reaction was not as I expected. And day 4 was even worse. I was telling myself "dude, wtf did you do? FTM was too much to ask for". At some point I was regretting chosing FTM over De-Loused. But now I'm glad you did it. Having mixed feelings is a very natural reaction with TMV. It's part of the ride. This album is a real challenge for everyone. Don't feel bad for not getting the answers, no one can. You did a great job, you came close enough about the main themes. If this was a movie it would be a psychological thriller. The lyrics are brilliant and confussing as hell, and the music adds the correct atmosphere to make you experience all the different moods it needs. I just love it. It feels like this story is being told from various points of view and not following a chronological order. The 6 main characters are: Vismund being the baby and Frances his lost mother. "Sister" L'Via and "Mother" Miranda (maybe they're both nuns). And The Widow and Cassandra. While "The Owls" are the anthagonists (priests killing prostitutes?) Vismund Cygnus is the main character, an orphan who is looking for his family. He finds out about how he was born after a failed abortion, and that his mother Frances died. The owls stabbed his pregnat mother with an icepick. L'Via witnessed this incident 25 years ago, she recovered Frances' dress full of blood. But the owls noted L'Via was watching. Now she's hiding from the "rooster heads", she's in danger, they want to kill her. Miranda knows everything, she's trying to warn other nuns maybe, but they are all blindfolded, they are just submitting to what the owls say. So the priests are killing the unholy ones, maybe they are prostitutes, or maybe they are having babies outide of marriage. Maybe they are raping them too, who knows... After hearing all this Vismund is so enraged, he wants vengeance so madly that he starts losing his mind. He can't recognize himself in the mirror anymore. He's "become one of the others". He's killing prostitutes now. But somehow during his frenzy state he encounters with a familiar face and comprehends "this never happened, his life was just a lie". Did Frances die 25 years ago? At the end of the Widow there's a line that says "Let me die cause I'll never sleep alone". So is Frances the widow? Has she had been a prostitute all this years? Did Vismund killed his mother? Frances told him "you predicted for my dead". But then who is Cassandra Geminni?, is she Vismund's twin sister? is she a violent personality that kills people? Is Cassandra a real person and Vismund a lie? There's no way to know. I hope you had enjoy it and revisit them whenever there's a chance. Thanks!
I love how I thought your comment was going to be telling me the story and you ended up asking as many questions as I did on the videos! 😂😂 Thanks for suggesting, man! I’m gonna listen to it end to end next time I have a long drive!
This was an incredible dive into an incredible album. Another greatly written concept album I recommend you check out is The Question by Emery, which is another one of my favourite bands. 💪
Good job making even the slightest sense of this! I have to mention that this is one of my favourite albums of all time, just because of how rewarding it is. I've spun it countless times and it never gets old, I never tire of it. Even though I've never fully grasped the whole story, you can grasp bits and pieces of it and get goosebumps from how it is presented musically. I see Omar had a good walkthrough of the story here. I've read a number of different interpretations and they all seem plausible, even though they don't all cooperate, so I can't say which one is the best. Some suggestions concerning the symbolic language include that the icepicks cumming (sic!) on the marble shrine is a very negative view of intercourse, probably rape. The metallic sounds in the beginning of this song (Frances the Mute, section abbreviated in the version you listened to) could actually be meant to be cygnus in the womb hearing the knives coming to take him out of there prematurely, suggesting that your earlier theory about a surviving abortion baby might be correct. So basically something about the priests raping nuns but wanting to get rid of the babies that follow. The Widow seems to be about a woman hearing the coughs of her husband who is dying of lung cancer or something (clove splinter shards, as from clove cigarettes), OR, some suggest, it might be a lover who is an addict. This is not the same guy who everyone flocks to, no, that guy would be a drug dealer. OR it might be that the widow herself (or himself or whatever) is an addict that has the drugs for company ("I'll never sleep alone" as in without a little fix, "the scales that do slither deliver me from..." as in getting relief from her existence). I'm not entirely sure what route to follow here, which is what I mean by many plausible interpretations. Anyways, some suggestions for further concept albums. It's all prog, I guess, but those are the ones that do these things. Also I'm an old (well, not that old) prog nerd. Genesis - The lamb lies down on broadway (a classic, also slightly challenging) Steven Wilson - Hand.cannot.erase (easier to grasp, inspired by a movie, has some heavy themes lyrically) Haken - The Mountain (interesting and at times quite emotional) A.C.T. - Circus Pandemonium (a lesser known Swedish band, though super solid and also fun music) Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane (a modern classic, some gut wrenching lyrics) Cheers! Hope this helps out at least a little bit.
I appreciate the genuine and honest way you engaged this album. I think it's a masterpiece and TMV's best work, but I'll be the first to admit that, lyrically, it's an extremely complex, cryptic, and generally difficult story to unpack and make sense of. I've listened to this album probably hundreds of times and still don't have a coherent, big picture understanding of the plot
The great thing about doing these special week long reactions was each day the audience give you a little more info into the story. Will have to do another one of these style reactions soon!
Once again Omar shorts you the ambient intro. This song wasn't on the album so that excuse doesn't count. The 4 or 5 minutes intro builds up perfectly to when it finally explodes with the instruments, and Omar took that moment away from you.
@@BunnyChannel918 You sure about that? I spent many days of my younger years crawling through forums about the meaning of the lyrics. There are sometimes vague stories. But these aren't even Cedrics stories in each case. FTM is a plot written by Omar. Many of the lyrics in DITC were written by Jeremy Ward. Cedric himself has stated that he writes from glossolalia, and often just chooses words that sound cool, ie they have no deep meaning. The exception to this would be the self titled album which was largely written about his wife and family. I once spent a few days on Adderall writing a complete analysis of the lyrics of Nocturniquet. If you think the lyrics of that album are "easy to get", I think the more likely scenario is that you have very low reading comprehension and convince yourself you understand something even though your understanding is not remotely correct.
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The background for this album "The story is inspired by a diary that Jeremy found in the backseat of a car while working as a repo man. He discovered he had a lot in common with its author. He kept it and let us in on it. The diary told of the author being adopted and looking for his real parents. The names of each song are named after people in the diary. Each person he meets sort of points him in the direction of his biological parents." The thought that the album is based on a real diary is not a pleasant one considering the contents of the album but we don't know how much is influence from the diary.
Also according to Cedric The Widow is about the fear of god. His mother raised him not to love God but fear him, which is why today he does not want to believe in a "God" but have his own beliefs.
This is the very basics of the story which doesn't explain everything but there are no clear answers for everything. There are still a bunch of different theories. They actually released a guidebook for this album that helps explain a lot years after it's release.
Frances is the diary writer's mother.
Vismund Cyngus is the writer who is trying to find his birth parents.
The other characters are who he meets on his journey to find them.
He goes to a morgue which has bodies that were mishandled by a mortician either out of neglect or a cover up and searches for clues to his origin.
The widow is about a drug dealer of some kind.
His mother gave birth to him as a result of a clergyman raping her and the other clergy in the church knew but did nothing.
He was an attempted abortion by the clergyman cutting into the womb with an icepick but this led to his birth instead and she died.
L'Via is his aunt and she is hiding from the church and changed her last name.
Miranda is his grandmother who tried to expose the church but was ignored.
He finds out about all of this and goes on a quest to kill the people responsible.
Cassandra Gemini is about how he has fallen from grace and is a killer just like the people he is murdering.
I'm not sure the references to icepicks throughout the album should be interpreted literally, as actual icepicks. The references to icepicks in cassandra gemini, for instance, seem purely metaphorical -- an attempt to express what it feels like to be raped.... "icepicks cumming tonight"
First of all, thank you for doing this and thank you for not giving up.
I was so afraid after day 2, your reaction was not as I expected. And day 4 was even worse. I was telling myself "dude, wtf did you do? FTM was too much to ask for". At some point I was regretting chosing FTM over De-Loused. But now I'm glad you did it. Having mixed feelings is a very natural reaction with TMV. It's part of the ride.
This album is a real challenge for everyone. Don't feel bad for not getting the answers, no one can.
You did a great job, you came close enough about the main themes.
If this was a movie it would be a psychological thriller. The lyrics are brilliant and confussing as hell, and the music adds the correct atmosphere to make you experience all the different moods it needs.
I just love it.
It feels like this story is being told from various points of view and not following a chronological order. The 6 main characters are: Vismund being the baby and Frances his lost mother. "Sister" L'Via and "Mother" Miranda (maybe they're both nuns). And The Widow and Cassandra. While "The Owls" are the anthagonists (priests killing prostitutes?)
Vismund Cygnus is the main character, an orphan who is looking for his family. He finds out about how he was born after a failed abortion, and that his mother Frances died. The owls stabbed his pregnat mother with an icepick. L'Via witnessed this incident 25 years ago, she recovered Frances' dress full of blood. But the owls noted L'Via was watching. Now she's hiding from the "rooster heads", she's in danger, they want to kill her. Miranda knows everything, she's trying to warn other nuns maybe, but they are all blindfolded, they are just submitting to what the owls say. So the priests are killing the unholy ones, maybe they are prostitutes, or maybe they are having babies outide of marriage. Maybe they are raping them too, who knows...
After hearing all this Vismund is so enraged, he wants vengeance so madly that he starts losing his mind. He can't recognize himself in the mirror anymore. He's "become one of the others". He's killing prostitutes now. But somehow during his frenzy state he encounters with a familiar face and comprehends "this never happened, his life was just a lie". Did Frances die 25 years ago?
At the end of the Widow there's a line that says "Let me die cause I'll never sleep alone". So is Frances the widow? Has she had been a prostitute all this years? Did Vismund killed his mother? Frances told him "you predicted for my dead".
But then who is Cassandra Geminni?, is she Vismund's twin sister? is she a violent personality that kills people? Is Cassandra a real person and Vismund a lie? There's no way to know.
I hope you had enjoy it and revisit them whenever there's a chance. Thanks!
I love how I thought your comment was going to be telling me the story and you ended up asking as many questions as I did on the videos! 😂😂
Thanks for suggesting, man! I’m gonna listen to it end to end next time I have a long drive!
The Widow, as well as Cassandra, are actually Vismund.
Cassandra is his prostitute name.
Wow I've really enjoyed these reactions, I hope you do more TMV albums soon, they're pretty fucking epic as well
This was an incredible dive into an incredible album. Another greatly written concept album I recommend you check out is The Question by Emery, which is another one of my favourite bands. 💪
Good job making even the slightest sense of this! I have to mention that this is one of my favourite albums of all time, just because of how rewarding it is. I've spun it countless times and it never gets old, I never tire of it. Even though I've never fully grasped the whole story, you can grasp bits and pieces of it and get goosebumps from how it is presented musically.
I see Omar had a good walkthrough of the story here. I've read a number of different interpretations and they all seem plausible, even though they don't all cooperate, so I can't say which one is the best. Some suggestions concerning the symbolic language include that the icepicks cumming (sic!) on the marble shrine is a very negative view of intercourse, probably rape. The metallic sounds in the beginning of this song (Frances the Mute, section abbreviated in the version you listened to) could actually be meant to be cygnus in the womb hearing the knives coming to take him out of there prematurely, suggesting that your earlier theory about a surviving abortion baby might be correct. So basically something about the priests raping nuns but wanting to get rid of the babies that follow.
The Widow seems to be about a woman hearing the coughs of her husband who is dying of lung cancer or something (clove splinter shards, as from clove cigarettes), OR, some suggest, it might be a lover who is an addict. This is not the same guy who everyone flocks to, no, that guy would be a drug dealer. OR it might be that the widow herself (or himself or whatever) is an addict that has the drugs for company ("I'll never sleep alone" as in without a little fix, "the scales that do slither deliver me from..." as in getting relief from her existence). I'm not entirely sure what route to follow here, which is what I mean by many plausible interpretations.
Anyways, some suggestions for further concept albums. It's all prog, I guess, but those are the ones that do these things. Also I'm an old (well, not that old) prog nerd.
Genesis - The lamb lies down on broadway (a classic, also slightly challenging)
Steven Wilson - Hand.cannot.erase (easier to grasp, inspired by a movie, has some heavy themes lyrically)
Haken - The Mountain (interesting and at times quite emotional)
A.C.T. - Circus Pandemonium (a lesser known Swedish band, though super solid and also fun music)
Pain of Salvation - Remedy Lane (a modern classic, some gut wrenching lyrics)
Cheers! Hope this helps out at least a little bit.
Thank you so much for this! I really appreciate the time you took to write this!
Vismund: main character
Frances: his mom
Lvia: his aunt
Miranda: Granma
Cassandra: alter ego.
That's what I read
🤯
I heard once Cassandra was his twin sister; that´s why she´s named "Gemini" (Geminis)
The colony gestating in his bed was Cygnus. The old dude killed Frances without knowing she was pregnant.
You made it! Sometimes you have to just push through to get to the other side
I appreciate the genuine and honest way you engaged this album. I think it's a masterpiece and TMV's best work, but I'll be the first to admit that, lyrically, it's an extremely complex, cryptic, and generally difficult story to unpack and make sense of. I've listened to this album probably hundreds of times and still don't have a coherent, big picture understanding of the plot
The great thing about doing these special week long reactions was each day the audience give you a little more info into the story. Will have to do another one of these style reactions soon!
@@ThomasJ_Music Please do. It was cool to follow along.
Noctourniquet is Amazin too, so underrate
Play this at .75 speed
It makes more sense.
U gotta slow down the mars Volta lol
Once again Omar shorts you the ambient intro. This song wasn't on the album so that excuse doesn't count. The 4 or 5 minutes intro builds up perfectly to when it finally explodes with the instruments, and Omar took that moment away from you.
Concept álbuns.... TMV De Loused of Comatorium... Its same schizo...thanks.
Please react to the band Death Without Judgement please
Cedric is not a lyical genius. The lyrics are nonsensical .
nah they are pretty good and not that hard to get
@@BunnyChannel918 You sure about that? I spent many days of my younger years crawling through forums about the meaning of the lyrics. There are sometimes vague stories. But these aren't even Cedrics stories in each case. FTM is a plot written by Omar. Many of the lyrics in DITC were written by Jeremy Ward. Cedric himself has stated that he writes from glossolalia, and often just chooses words that sound cool, ie they have no deep meaning. The exception to this would be the self titled album which was largely written about his wife and family. I once spent a few days on Adderall writing a complete analysis of the lyrics of Nocturniquet. If you think the lyrics of that album are "easy to get", I think the more likely scenario is that you have very low reading comprehension and convince yourself you understand something even though your understanding is not remotely correct.