Ups & Downs From Star Trek: Prodigy 1.13 - All The World's A Stage
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I think Sean may have forgotten about Equinox pt 1+2, because Janeway making snap decisions and hunting someone to an almost obsessive degree is *absolutely* an established character trait for her, especially if she thinks said person has violated Starfleet principles.
Agreed, though like with Dal's rough early captaincy, I need someone....ANYONE to then bring it up. It's fine as a justified character trait, not fine that no one has a problem with it.
100% agreed. Janeway doesn't do things with logic. She does it with gut feeling, and with Chakotay missing she's not thinking logically. She's after the people she assumes did it. She's done this many times, not just in Equinox.
On top of that, she was so adamant about getting the two ferengi off that planet in the Delta Quadrant, when even if she'd gotten them back, the ferengi government wouldn't have done anything. She wasted their opportunity to get back through the Barzan wormhole.
@@alanw083 yea its kinda the whole reason behind Sfdebris's running joke regarding "Psycho Janeway"...making rash decisions based on what appear to be leaps on logic...yup sounds about right...especially when you factor in she clearly concern about Chakotay' safety
Janeway’s also been off her coffee, so she’s bound to be a little crankier than usual.
I had to giggle at the Enterprisians practicing the double-handed punch. It was subtle but nice.
Trek-Fu needs to make a comeback. Lower Decks did a little bit of it with shouting "DOUBLE HAND PUNCH!" while performing it.
This episode forcibly reminded me of Galaxy Quest and Beyond Thunder Dome. At first I thought I was going to hate this, but the one scene with the Enderprisian Doctor I did a 180. The way they treated the episode after that scene was done in a lovingly tribute to Starfleet and Star Trek in general.
This episode really is a Living Tribute to everything that fans of Star Trek stand for
I got so much Galaxy Quest vibes from this. An alien species really lived out a cosplay society from a TV show. Hilarious!
This episode reminded me of the Voyager episode ‘Muse’ (“Shining Voyager, far from home, far from the gleaming cities of Earth…”). There the ship’s journey was also turned into play by the locals.
And there was also the “Blink of an Eye” episode where Voyager became something that the local culture revolved around.
I loved those episodes, and I loved this one
"That whistle" is a bosun's whistle and is a navy tradition dating back to the age of sail.
Prodigy was already on-track to be really good Star Trek with the first half of the season. In the second half, they've come out swinging and delivered some truly classic Trek. This one in particular is at the very top of all Star Trek, any series. From now on, anyone asking how to get into Star Trek, will be pointed right at Prodigy as a fast on-ramp to the good stuff and an opportunity to learn about the Federation along with the characters. Best Nick show since Last Airbender.
It's a boatswain's whistle.
@@rangersmith4652 Synonyms.
@@MichaelLlaneza No. One is the correct spelling; the other is a bastardized. The correct "short" version is bos'n's whistle.
@@rangersmith4652 I do believe I did omit the apostrophe.
@@OldManYellsAtClouds I am a university English professor, so I know what it means. Synonyms are words with similar meanings, such as "scared" and "frightened." Words that sound the same but are not spelled the same are homonyms, such as "no" and "know." In theory, _boatswain_ and _bosun_ are both synonyms and homonyms, but the B-O-S-U-N spelling is the least preferred spelling of the word, a spelling which a true man of the sea would not see fit to use. I also spent 28 years in the US Navy, so I know a bit about this.
This was such a great, fun episode and a nice nod back to so much from TOS. One thing about Jankom "pulling a sickie", don't forget this is a kids' show. Countless kids through the years have tried to fake being sick to avoid going to school or some other thing/place. So, I'm sure this got a big laugh from the younger viewers. Also, extra Easter Egg, there's a line from Hologram Janeway near the end about "The rules around second contact are a little shaky" (or words to that effect!). That has got to be a nod to "Star Trek Lower Decks"!
This was seriously probably my favorite Prodigy episode so far. Really sweet tribute to TOS while also showing good character development among the main cast. 5/5
I love that the legacy of redshirts, after all the jokes, is that a redshirt didn't just survive some kind of major spacial anomaly that took the ship and the shuttlecraft so far from home, but that he survives the crash, he saves people, he teaches them and doesn't get "redshirted".
This episode is freaking brilliant! I’m watching it a second time now and paying more attention to the more subtle touches: Spork with his hands behind his back, the sound effects during the play, so much more! Not to mention Starflight and the Live Logs and Proper hand sign.
I couldn’t help but think of Vger/Voyager when the Gallos is revealed.
This is my favorite Prodigy episode so far and I’ll be watching it over and over!
The Enterprisean salutation was actually "Live log and proper," which I loved.
The Galileo was lost in the TOS episode Galileo Seven. It burned up. The green uniforms were a nod to the TOS "gold" uniforms as they were actually greenish and came off gold on 60s color TV.
The shuttle has the same registry in later episodes though, so presumably it was replaced.
Good catch on the uniform colour - not the kinda information you remember unless you happen to take an interest in the camera/video systems from the era
I was thinking the same... until I remembered that in TOS 3rd season episode "Way to Eden" there was a "Galileo II" used... of course now, I need to watch the episode(s) again, and make sure the hull markings match (NERDALERT) 🙂
Exactly. They don't give A+ designations to shuttles and such. If so, the second Delta Flyer would've received a new designation after being built. Even though I think the Delta Flyer never had a numbered designation to begin with.
Also the original Galileo shuttle was seen in four episodes after "Galileo Seven" simply due to the necessities of production, so it's well within canon for this to be the one that was later replaced by Galileo II. Both were numbered 1701/7 (because, you know, it's just the same prop).
What a great STAR TREK episode. Had tears in my eyes. For nostalgia and laughter. 😊
I started my Trek journey with TOS, and as such, this episode made my heart smile.
Another great episode from Prodigy. Aaron knocked it out of the park once again.
the thing I like about Prodigy is that, more than any other show, it really "gets" what Roddenberry's Star Trek was at its core. The series has gone in many directions, but this episode absolutely nailed what Star Trek as an idea is and what Starfleet exists to do
When Jankom talked about the Galileo's Duo-tronic computer and its communications, I assumed that it was going to be ripped out and used onboard the Protostar as an alternative means of trying to communicate with Starfleet.
Whoa. You're right. Missed opportunity.
@@Heymrk I'll bet that that old communicator would work too. Did they take it with them?
As long as they didn't have to plug it into the Protostar. I'm guessing everything on the ship is connected to the weapon.
One of the best Star Trek episodes ever. Absolutely loved it.
I have to say I could not stop smiling the entire time I was watching this episode. James T. over doing it even fit with the story being distorted over time. it was glorious.
Absolutely loved this episode! So very Star Trek, but also the humour of the animated shows! It definitely shows what happens when something is passed down allegorically!
The best redshirt scene ever was when Gary Seven's cat pounced on one and knocked him down on top of the transporter pad. Imagine Starfleet Command's reaction to that mission report.
Honestly, I'm starting to think this is the strongest example of serial storytelling that we've gotten from Star Trek so far. Don't get me wrong - Lower Decks and Strange New Worlds are both great series, no doubt about it - but the way they're building up the story across the entire season, and especially the way that we're constantly seeing what the consequences of their actions are for the bright young crew... This really is a series that all of the other Star Trek series (ESPECIALLY Picard, but Discovery as well) would do well to learn from.
To me this felt like a reversed Galaxy Quest where rather than making a TV show into scifi reality, they made their universes reality into a show.
Surprised you didn’t call this out, Sean, but this episode also had an obvious callout to Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome. The Enterprisians rushing their presumed-Star Flight visitors off to the “theater” to show them they’d remembered the logs and putting on a stage play for them was exactly like when the Lost Tribe kids did this for Max, thinking he was Captain Walker. I was almost surprised they didn’t mention Tomorrow Morrow Land and the Pock Eclipse.
They did have Sprock's lips in there.............................
Ok, bye.
This was my all time favorite episode so far. This has to be obe of the best kid shows ever made because it is done without talking down to them. It is written in such a way that fans of all ages can enjoy it,
TOS fan-girling all over the place! 🤩 Loving these Prodigy Ups & Downs!😍
Watching your ups n'downs after a Trek episode has become something I look forward to as much as the episode itself. I enjoy seeing if you have agreed with my own thoughts. In this case I did realize that Pog and Janeway had out of character behaviors in this episode.
I love watching these post watching the actual episodes. So much fun! And Sean is THE ABSOLUTE BEST!❤🖖🏾
I understood it as Pog feeling extra disheartened/insecure from not being able to "fix" the problem of the weapon on board.
Also, I have to say that if I could configure my starship bridge to be any bridge it would have to be that of the Original Enterprise. This episode just got a perfect score from me. It was written and done with love for TOS and appreciation for it's fans.
This episode is based on a pitch from 1996 for the 30th anniversary DS9 episode originally based on the planet from A Piece of The Action.
I wondered if I was the only one to realize that.
@@JayStrang1 Yeah the parralel to the end if that episode was strong. I'm glad to know they thought about revisiting it in DS9. Here's hoping for LD.
I saw this episode as a mash up of TOS A Piece of the Action, Galaxy Quest and Cargo Cult(an actual thing)
plus a dash of TNG's Thy Own Self
Because like Data in that episode, Ensign Garrovick crashed on a planet were he indirectly put a pre-warp Civilization he befriends at risks from radiation poisoning from damage starfleet technology he brought with him...and dies as a hero.
It's going to endure as one of my favorite star trek episodes of all time.
I actually thought Jenkem's little stunt to get out of the away mission made sense with his arc this episode. It was established that he was a little dejected after having failed to get anywhere with the "weapon" onboard the Protostar. I felt that his feeble attempt to get out of the mission was just a way he was expressing his disappointment in himself. You could see how happy he was after using his skills on the Galileo, like his usefulness and faith in self had been restored.
Totally agreed. How come Sean missed this!
Some of the Cetacean Observations I didn't even catch during my watch. Prodigy really has been fairly solid in this back half of episodes and I can't wait for the next one.
The game from the game surprised me. I cannot imagine Dal just playing that when ignoring responsibilities
these are my favorite recaps. i love that you have your own continuity within the recaps about continuity. it's so great.
Sean
You also forgot the whole unknown radiation poisoning thing being a callback to "Thine Own Self"
Anyone else think that the style of the red shirt that was hung on the wall looked a lot like Star Trek Beyond's uniforms and not TOS? Not to mention the music and transporter effects are very reminiscent of the Kelvin timeline.
came here to say that. A Kelvinverse crossover would make sense except for the fact that both the things they built matched TOS layouts for bridge controls (which matched what Janeway pulled from the archives) and the shuttle itself looked prime, not Kelvin.
I would love to see the Enterprizians again in Discovery, just to see how far they developed technologically and culturally in the 32nd century.
Shax from Lower Decks did some of the Enterprizians voices
Did Takei voice Sul-u though? His impression was so on point that I wonder (plus he was also in Lower Decks recently).
@@UltimatePerfection unfortunately, no. U’re right, it was spot on, that’s why I paused the creds & saw Fred’s (Shax) name.
Yes, thank you. I recognized Ensign Garavic's name, but I could not place him. I smiled the whole way through this episode. I was surprised at Janeway's jumping to conclusions.
This episode has to be my favorite episode of Star Trek prodigy
The play was one of the best tributes to Star Trek and it's lore I've ever seen
Note: Pog used the Galileo 7's communication system to contact the Protostar ...and the shuttle was ~not~ infected with the "Federation Weapon Virus".
This would strongly indicate that older Federation tech is immune to this weapon (Probably due to the Diviner not taking 100+ year old Fed tech into account when building the weapon).
Had that thought as well
I clapped and cheered out loud several times during this episode. What a joy to watch, just good fun.
The Galileo being referred to as “Gal-Los” (or however you spell it) was clearly a callback to “V’ger”. In fact, the whole episode was a clear callback to the many alien worlds the crew on TOS visited that featured specific elements of earth culture (Gangster planet, Nazi planet).
Roman empire world.
This was such a silly and fun episode.
One of my personal favorites from Prodigy.
Totally loving Prodigy Sean! Even my 19 yr old "trek fan" son loves this series! May it "Live Long and Prosper!" p.s. - Janeway is such a nice touch to all of this!
The Episode was like Voy: The Muse & TOS: A Piece of the Action with a bit of TMP thrown in. Great episode
This feels like a direct homage to "A Piece of The Action" and cultural contamination with "Starflight" (I love that!), so I enjoyed this a lot. And having "An Son" know that the only way to save the inhabitants is to fully spill all the procedures works for me.
😁 As someone who watched the original series when first aired, and was repeated often, I thought this was awesome!
As always thank you so very much for the video.
(though I was a little surprised / worried when you started with "15 downs".)
"Play the logs!" is what really got me good this week. XD
hahah you forgot "Aye Aye Captain.. PULSE POWER!!!" I'm late to this party but I absolutely LOVED THIS episode. LOVED IT.
I am guessing that the incident that stranded the Galileo happened in the final 2 years of the original 5 year mission and possibly played out something like this..
Enterprise encounters an unstable wormhole that is threatening a nearby inhabited planet.
Garrovick takes the Galileo out to get closer scans, gets sucked in and ends up near the "Enderprisian's" planet.
There are at least three possible "in universe" instances in which Garrovik could've made it to the deep Beta / close Delta Quadrant region:
(1) after the events of "By Any Other Name" (the Enterprise had to return to the galaxy after the Kelvans tried to take them to the Andromeda galaxy);
(2) after the events of "Day of the Dove" (Kirk & Co and the Klingons had been taken on a warp-9 trip by the malevolent entity)
(3) before/after the events of the Magicks of Megas-Tu, which take place closer to the galaxy's core.
Before watching your review...my 2 pips....it was (possibly) my FAVORITE episode of the show so far...I loved how self-aware Dal was and how Pog redeems himself and even mentions why.
also...James-T & SuL-u is how I spelled them in my head heh
Unexpectedly my favorite episode of Prodigy so far. This is the first time Dal has felt like he actually fits the role he's assumed, and the writers handling a situation that could have so easily been a tiresome joke with such grace shows that they're finally starting to find the show's voice.
I'm not quite ready to say this was Prodigy's Growing the Beard moment yet... but hindsight just may prove it was.
From Janeway's perspective she has one traumatized survivor from what appear to be two attacks by the Protostar.
In that situation, no matter WHAT is actually going on, Tracking down the Protostar is ABSOLUTELY step one in figuring out what's going on.
It's not like she's gonna kill first, ask questions later, but tracking the ship down still has to be step one.
(Also she has zero reason to assume ill intent on the Diviner's part atm, so I doubt she's "bluffing" him.)
So far this is my favorite episode from Star Trek: Prodigy. That's an "Up" for me.
This episode was special. One of my favorites so far. Actually the 2nd 1/2 of season 1 has been really good so far.
This episode is full on Camp, and I love it
There were maybe 2-3 lines in the whole original series where Kirk delivered lines or did a Shatner. Otherwise looking back William Shatner was a very talented actor.
The stage play performed by Enterprisians reminded me, very much, of the scene from Mad Max - Beyond Thunderdome with Savannah Nix's tale (with a similar stage play performance) about Captain Walker where she tells the tell.
Keeping hope. Closing words:-
"....you've got to listen and to 'member, 'cause what you hears today you got to tell the newborn tomorrow."
Fun fact: Original script was written as a post apocalyptic "Lord of the Flies" vibe.... with Max.
Another fun fact: the way the Lost Tribe kids speak is how the entire book "Riddley Walker" (Russell Hoban) is written, a narrative set years after a nuclear incident where [England] has been reduced to tribalism and Middle-ages living standards. Given the similarities in using the name Walker and the way they speak, it's been suggested that the scriptwriters were at best making a homage, and at worst plagiarising the concept.
@@Cirieno After a quick Wiki read:-
"Robert C. Cumbow wrote in Slant Magazine that the post-apocalyptic film Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome borrowed "whole ideas, themes and characterizations" from the novel"
I think a purchase of the book is on my list.....
I love that the Enderprisians' costumes have the overall look of TOS, but with the structured shoulders of SNW.
I think this episode overall will prove to have snuck in a lot of groundwork for the upcoming story. Loads of stuff that we've seen but had our attention directed away from. Like the whole question about how the shuttle got there!
Just a note: In "Obsession", Lieutenant Leslie was indeed initially declared dead, but was later revived and continued serving on Kirk's Enterprise. So, Ensign Garrovick was not the only red shirt to ultimately survive.
Also, as others have mentioned, Janeway's reaction was totally on point for her established character. Do I hope she's faking out the Diviner, sure, but even if she is THIS time, her response was completely in-character.
Great "Ups & Downs" on this episode!
I think people are overreacting to Janeway's behaviour. A prototype shop has gone dark and appeared at the site of two attacks and abductions, rendering the status of both ship and crew in question.
What other course of action is there that track the ship down?
As for the Diviner, we've not seen Janeway have any reason to suspect him as more than a traumatized survivor of WHATEVER happened at this point.
Yes, and there is actually a scripted scene (which was not filmed, in which an explanation is offered for Leslie's survival), having to do with his bloodtype or something. Clearly the producers hadn't intended to kill him off (and he returns in later episodes).
It's probably my favorite episode of Prodigy. The Enterpriseans only had the ideals of the Federation I'm their hearts. I liked that there wasn't some evil twist to them. I hope we see them join Starflight some day. :)
You missed a big one but it is obscure, this episode's basic premise was dreamed up by Ron D. Moore for the 25th anniversery DS9 episode.
The idea was they return to Sigma Iota II (a peice of the action) and everyone there was running around as Kirk and Spock.
But that got shot down and we got Trials and Tribbilations
Garavick wasn't the only survivor, one of the other regular extra actors has stated that a scene was filmed with him recovering but was cut from the final episode.
Nicely done! Yep this episode pulls at the old Star Trek fan’s heart strings! Wonderful episode.
I thought that the bit about him pretending to be sick was off at first too, but with later context, it seems like he was just really grumpy from not being able to figure out how to disable the weapon.
The best Prodigy episode 🙌
Finally... Star Trek does its own backward version of Galaxy Quest! Loved it!!!
I would have given an extra up for Jankom eating the popcorn equivalent during the stage play. Really made me laugh hard. Fantastic episode all round.
Once they made contact with the Enderprizians i dont think i stopped smiling once. That stage show was also a callback to the Voyager episode "Muse"
Surprised you didn't mention Second Contact getting a mention towards the end.
I noted that nod to Lower Decks as well.
@@YoSpiff Same...especially when you factor in that Holo-Janeway said aren't really any standards regarding Second Contact...which seems to be the aim of Captain Freeman's "Project Swing By"
Galileo burned up in "The Galileo Seven," only to be replaced by a totally new and not at all a repaint-job Galileo II for the rest of the series. That said, I don't care about that... or how Garrovick managed to train so many Enderprizians to do impressions of the TOS crew right down to Kirk Fu... or why he'd reveal such detail about the bridge layout... It's a fun episode.
Number two.
Favourite - blink and you'll miss it - part was Janeway's little huff/sigh when Dal says "Trust me"...
I loved this episode. Excited to see what happens next week.
I loved this episode. My favourite episode so far.
Half of my enjoyment of this episode was imagining Sean's enjoyment of the episode. :)
I saw this episode also as a kind of nod to all of the Trek fan film creators and actors out there. We don't always have the best budget or FX but the heart is there.
We enjoyed this episode and your recap so much, we stopped binging you to watch it again! Lots of love Sean!
Loved this episode!!!! Lots of goose bump moments! Had to come straight here to see the ups and downs episode. I was fine with Jankom's hesitation for reasons best put by others here. Looking forward to Murph 2.0!
I wasn't sure what to make of this episode till I got pretty far into it. Have to admit, I loved this by the end.
The telling of the log gave me instant vibes from Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome when kids performed the Tell. I know that's not ST but it was a strong vibe.
love what you are doing. those breakdowns extend every episode. thank you for doing this!
For a kids show it is quite brutal at times... only giving them some neat kids voices doesn't change the actual storylines. The better for me, a guy in his thirties.
I mean, The Clone Wars was a kid show, and people were getting sliced, diced, and put into a massive clone droid bits salad. This is fairly tame comparably.
@@Daginni1 I agree with that. Prodigy is not more a kids show than clone wars.
It is no critique at prodigy, I find it awesome.
Maybe the Borg (which gave me nightmares when I was a kid) are seen differently in that different style by today's generation.
I love how both Garrovick and the shuttle appeared in the original series
Jankom pretending to be sick wasn't a down for me and didn't feel out of character. It felt in line with the whole crew being down and him especially because of the frustration about dealing with the living weapon. I actually chuckled a bit about that scene because it was such an obvious lie and quickly pushed out of the way with a "yeah, nice try" and grabbing him 😄
Agreed - but you always get very obvious lies in dialog that's compatible with kids - they're terrible liars and the idea is to make them feel clever by figuring it out :P
Agreed, for me it wasn't out of character at all, Pog was just feeling insecure/disheartened.
Was one of the best so far I loved it you brought up a lot I didn't notice great video live log and proper
In the TNG Era, the 25th anniversary episodes hade trials and tribblelations and Voyager had the Excelsior flashback, one of the pitched episodes was to go back to the Gangster planet and find a planet now full of Trekkies, riffing on Star Trek conventions. Apparently, they did make a Star Trek comic with this plot and - of course - Galaxy Quest did something similar.
This episode was great.
Best episode of Prodigy. IMO
Love that you gave the "my my" an up.
Jankom Pog's pretend sickness was partly due to the events of last week's espisode and partly due to that lack of confidence he has in himself. Plus it was the comic relief of the episode.
DID like Pog's INSTANT turnaround when it went from "monster" to tech problem though.
I disagree with the down for jankom pretending to be sick.
Yes it was overplayed a bit, but the rationale behind it was solid:
As stated in the opening, jankom is an engineer, a problem solver. He has come across a problem he can't fix in the form of the living construct. The guy has lost his mojo and probably isn't feeling quite up to heading out.
This makes the bit later on so much better when he gets back in the game to fix the shuttle's comms.
Re homage to red suits, I very much enjoyed the line in the play (around 08:30 in the episode): "bearer of crimson, bravest amongst us"
Hands down my favourite ep so far!
I thought that this was an excellent episode, and I enjoyed it immensely for all the reasons you discussed in the video. However, I think one missed opportunity for the characters, rather than allowing the shuttle Galileo to fall into the pit and be destroyed, would have been for them to use a tractor beam and pull it back up into orbit. Since this was unsullied federation tech, they could have recorded a message using the Galileo’s’ own instruments and left it as a marker to let the Federation know what was going on with the Protostar. I'm not sure why they didn't do that, but I think it would have made sense.
Can we talk about , that Medusans are suppose to make corporeal beings go mad the die via organ failure but The Diviner is still alive and becoming more lucid even Gwyn seemed to heal rather quickly from seeing Zero's reflection. The Vau N'Akat seemed to be an amazing telepathic species that even the Vulcans can not rival
its been 4-5 centuries in prodigy for medical equipment evolve ... i doubt they'd have issues helping a time traveller recover .. also look at the bigger picture here
@@akjackhd5804 This is not a time traveler thing, this is a corporeal being who saw a Medusan , maybe Starfleet has figure out how to help others but since Frex agreed with Zero he would go mad if he saw Zero I am not sure. We don't know why the organ failure happens so not sure there, but Prodigy also did not talk about the prisoners dying after seeing Zero, so not sure what to make of the people who see a Medusan die .
That is not even touching on the fact that StarFleet has yet to make contact with the Vau N'akat so they don't know the Diviner's biology and that Doctor Noum does not know the Diviner saw Zero's true from so would not be treating him for that trauma
I love how you went a little up happy here; well justified!
Especially given next episode, it seems like the ship is still hanging around near Federation space. I assume the Enterprise visited the planet at some point, didn't make contact because pre-warp, then lost the shuttle somehow. Though it's odd they wouldn't have tried to find and retrieve it.
It was an unusually fun episode. Loved it!
On how the shuttle got there: Janeway's comment that "no Federation starship has been here in over a century" pretty strongly establishes to me that Protostar had ALMOST reached Federation space at this point. The Enterprise had reached somewhere nearby, and nothing extraordinary had to happen for Garrovic to reach the planet in Galileo.
While I enjoyed (cringe) the episode, one thing really annoyed me: if the energy fields near the planet were going to knock out holo-Janeway, they would have also knocked out the holo-Constitution class bridge.
This was definitely the most child friendly episode so far, but not at all to its detriment. A fun story with a good Aesop to tell. Classic Star Trek. 👍
Sorry Sean, I can only subscribe once. I'd do it again if I could.
I think that Sean may have forgotten about Lt. Kyle, who was a " Red Shirt " on Kirk's first five year mission and lived long enough to serve on the Reliant .