Voyager-A: Lamarr Class Breakdown
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ก.ค. 2024
- Star Trek Prodigy Season 2 has come out with the USS Voyager NCC-74656-A as the leading starship of Admiral Kathryn Janeway. The Lamarr Class science ship is tasked with its first mission to the wormhole along the Alpha-Beta Quadrant border before undertaking new objectives. So let's take a look at one of Starfleet's newest special science vessels both internally and at it's design history lore.
Chapters
00:00 Intro
00:56 Real Origins
01:28 Starfleet Origin
03:27 Statistics
06:56 Summary
07:55 Future of the Class
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I love the Cetacean operations has become more of a thing instead of just in passing references.
it will only ever be a thing in animation sadly as the live action writers and designers seem to hate fun and goofy ideas like that
@@exilestudios9546 No. They just can't get the whales to follow the script.
Also, it is a regular saying in the tv and film industry "Never work with children or animals"
It's hard to point them the right way, potentially dangerous, and often messy.
@@SymbioteMullet They did some great work with animatronic whales in Star Trek IV the voyage home. And that came out in 1984. I bet they could come up with something convincing in the live action shows nowadays.
@@christopherg2347 Can you blame them? They prefer musicals.
New STO lockbox ship inbound.
Intel Science Spearhead :D
Shame the Voyager A wasn't given the old Delta flyer as Janeway's personal shuttle.
in the books, they had the Alpha Flyer
Tom Paris probably already claimed it as his own personal hot rod and the admiral let him as reward for his service. 😛
I have a feeling section 31 has it and it's in peices right now given how much borg tech went into its construction.
It was scheduled to be installed on Tuesday.
@@zomfragger it's too notorious of a shuttle to remove. It should be with a Voyager or a successor craft assigned to it. Even the USS Titan has 2 in it's compliment of small craft.
If the Dauntless II to was attempting to test the quantum slip stream drive using a ship design Starfleet knew worked, then my guess is that the Lamar class' Intrepid/Sovereign look was Starfleet's attempt to incorporate that technology into a more contemporary Starfleet design before adding it to the 6th Gen vessels
That's what I thought as well. You said it more eloquently than I did in my head. Kudos!
What’s this “6th generation” ships? I’ve been seeing more references to it. What is the basis of generations?
Oh look a ship named after Heddy Lamar!
"That's Hedly!"
Ah, hell; I was hoping to use that bit. 😀
😂😂😂
@@BennyLlama39Remember, you can sue her
Candygram for mongo
@ken.f.c.1977 Mong pawn in game of life.
I think it was a missed opportunity to have the Whale wearing an Operations Officers uniform. Lt. Gillian, set a course!
The holo emitters on Voyager A are so powerful they can move both the Doctor _and_ his mobile emitter throughout the ship
Since they are a technology intrinsically linked to Transporters, why not.
@@Mehrine88they are not even similar
@@christopherluke9658 In Season 1 TNG they were. In "Encounter At Farpoint," they specifically explain that the holodeck uses patterns to recreate plants and objects (such as the water Wesley fell in, and then tread out in the hallway). In "The Big Goodby," the holodeck seemed to use more unstable matter, at least when simulating humanoids, resulting in the gangsters that stepped out of the holodeck gradually disintegrating. It makes sense that later they changed holodecks to exclusively use force-fields and light projections, since the original version of the holodeck was likely an energy hog (granted, Voyager had dedicated generators for its holodecks) and a maintenance monster. That, or one of the later time travel episodes resulted in the technology panning out differently.
Don't forget the 2nd Moriarty episode where they literally tried to use the transporter to make him a real boi.....
They specifically state in the show that there are 32 decks. When a officer enters the turbo lift while Maj'el ( clearly a reference) is chasing after the Prodigy crew towards "shuttle bay 3". Its episode 2 Into the Breach Part II 19:58 seconds.
Picard told lily the Enterprise-E had 24 Decks. Riker and Worf fought the Remans on Deck 29 in Nemesis. Writers sometimes get the small details wrong. All sources and layouts show that the Lamarr class has around 28 decks but no wear near 32.
It was also stated she had 29 decks.
I don’t get the sizing of the ship, she’s almost as tall as a galaxy class with that many decks.
Also, not a fan of the chrome finish, a-la Padme’s ship from SW E1. And all the random lumps, bumps and weird panels just don’t work for me. It’s an ok ship, but just doesn’t do it for me.
@@bigbywolf586 Galaxy-class had 42 decks.
This is an amazing looking ship and deserves to carry the Voyager legacy.
My theory is that the Lamarr is based on the Sovereign class. Both ships are stated in dialogue to have up to 29 decks, and their overall shape is nearly identical. It seems reasonable that they started with an unfinished Sovereign frame and modified it to accommodate all the new stuff the Lamarr class would have.
So from what I can tell this ship was the newest ship mars ship yard before the synth attack.
About time. I've been wanting to get a closer look at the Voyager A
I'm looking forward for Lamarr class being in STO.
I hope they don’t put it in the lock box
@@American_Trekkie sadly that's always most of the case.
@@American_Trekkie Of course not! . . . its gonna be the promo-box
LMAO this old mmo is still playable?
Speaking of Lamarr-class, in STO Federation Prologue revamp, Admiral Janeway still use her old Intrepid-class USS Voyager, especially in one of the President Lincoln Event.
Aaron Watke(exec producer/writer for PRO) said it's just barely shorter than a Sovereign and covered in ablative armor
the design from Cryptic Studios/Gearbox's 'Star Trek Online' assets. given the nacelles and the ships general shape, it is likely a Sovereign variant concept repurposed into this.
@@morganb6717 it's absolutely not from STO
@@stankyyboi were you not aware that Cryptic has been providing ship assets for several Secret Hideout series? this is one of their assets. that does not mean it's a live asset in the game. yet.
@@morganb6717 Cryptic provided some ship assets to the PIC team which uses a different VFX production house than PRO does, Prodigy S2 also started production years ago before Cryptic started giving assets, there's also the fact that this looks absolutely nothing like any of the Soverieng variants from STO and they're not going to make their main hero ship from the file of 15 year old video game asset, that's just absurd and shows much you don't know about how TV shows are made
Prodigy did however get ship assets from the now defunct Eaglemoss and the fleet that was taken over at the end of Seasn 1 were all from Eaglemoss.
I love the homage to the Sovereign-class nacelles! Wasn't crazy about the nacelles on the Intepid-class.
better than the bulky/fugly Neo-Constitution class ones...
@NeoTechni Yes! I agree! For a moment I thought they were going to use them. The Sagan-class has them as well.
This looks like a proper long range exploration vessel, where the Voyager seemed more like a long range scout vessel. Voyager, despite the name and size, seemed more combat designed with its phaser placements and planetary landing.
You forgot the special headcrab room
I suspect it's named after the Film actress and inventor not the plucked turkey looking alien.
Kinda works as she invented a torpedo guidance system as actress do (lol).
I clicked on the video because I saw Lamarr class and my brain went "They named it after a headcrab?"
Realistically, both class and headcrab were probably named after the same person. I'm just happy someone else had a similar thought to me. :D
"The what?" --- Gordon Freeman
The Lamarr class looks like an Odyssey ship had a baby with a Vesta, which then had a baby with a Sovereign.
4:23 As shown, Sickbay is in the VERY bad spot. Sickbay, and any medical facilities, are "shelter sections" in a starship, in virtually ANY franchise, and so should be pretty much buried in the ship were it is easy to defend, tends to have a LOT of ship around it, and hard to hit. In some ships, the Sickbay is centrally located to make reaching escape pods or shuttles easier, good for receiving patients, as well.
I would say if you lived at that time in the federation, Voyager would be even more famous than the Enterprise. I'm talking about in universe.
Well I honestly never though anyone would name a starship after Hedy Lammar that woman would be considered a meme before memes existed... look her up her history.. is like fiction its so bonkers.
She was basically the real-life version of Tony Stark back then. Which makes the reference in What-If? even funnier.
Kinda reminds me of the Archon Class from Star Trek: Online
Fascinating overview on this complex and very adaptable ship!
I know that in the first episode, they say the ship is 28 decks but in the same episode, I swear I heard someone say “deck 32” when getting in a turbo lift.
Might be an Easter egg if true.
Excellent breakdown of possibly my new favorite hero ship, certainly top 3. The Voyager A is just stunning. And clever! Great video, Ric, and I thank you for it.
What an exciting ship & a brilliant video as always. Thank you ❤
I have not had a chance to watch Season 2 of Prodigy yet, but I'm looking forward to it.
Awesome! I've been a Hedy Lamarr fan boy forever. I'm glad to see her given more credit due.
Did you notice the vertical missile tubes on the MSD? They were briefly shown on a PADD in the first few episodes.
Naming the class after Hedy Lamarr is fantastic. Considering the scientific and special technology it possesses it links to her role in the creation of Wi-Fi.
Prodigy is just awesome, it manages to be more then a kids show and be true Star Trek story despite that. Its basically the Star Wars Rebels of the franchise.
I loved this ship the moment I saw it !
Cool ship, but it will not be around long since we have a Voyager B shown in Picard season 3.
This ship just looks like an evolution of the Sovereign Class to me. I don’t hate it but I can’t really say I like it. In another Star Trek show, it could have been the Enterprise G if we didn’t already had one.
Sometimes you gotta pop out and show klingons
now we are talking thats my kind of ship fully loaded and ready for action on all levels,
Hedley!!!
Hedy Lamarr, born Hedwig Eva Maria Kiesler; November 9, 1914 - January 19, 2000. At the beginning of World War II, along with George Antheil, Lamarr co-invented a radio guidance system for Allied torpedoes that used spread spectrum and frequency hopping technology to defeat the threat of radio jamming by the Axis powers. However, the technology was not used in operational systems until after World War II, and then independently of their patent.
cant wait for the jamal class
Once the Romulan Empire was destroyed by the Hobus supernova, the Treaty of Algeron would be void, and *Starfleet should have been able to openly use cloaking technology.*
Star fleet should be able to use cloaking devices, the treaty made ko sense at all. Why limit yourself that only the enemy can use cloaking.
"That's Hedley!"
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Good job on this one Rick. Especially with not a lot of info to go on.
Oh Holodeck malfunctions would be fun on this ship....
I think I need to watch prodigy season 2 now
What's amazing is that it can operate without a crew.
I like it
man i just love the design of voyager a i am really hoping that fanhome is making an xl model of the ship so i can get one next to my orignal voyager i doubt the lamarr class voyager a will last long since we saw the parthfinder voyager b in picard season 3 really hope they make season 3 soon
Man i love how this ships looks like. It really sucks to think when she finally makes it to STO it'll be a lockbox ship.
I hope this gets into sto
Love ur videos....BTW u misspelled armaments lol. AMRAMENTS 😊
I think you’re off with the scaling if you go off the aero shuttle underneath the saucer it would make it as long as the sovereign
The QSD usage on the Protostar and Voyager-A leaves me wondering what an in universe explanation will be about why do ships like the Enterprise-G seemingly lack the QSD. Anyway, I hope the Lamarr gets added to STO soon, just on the C-Store and not in a lock box.
I think benemite is very rare. Hence why book's shop has one but he doesnt use it.
I really hate the way they are burning though starships. Even with rapid technological development, they shouldn’t be decommissioning ships after such a short lifespan.
Could be destroyed or severely damaged or rechristened to another name to allow the new ship to have the name.
That's a very long distance between the nacelles and the saucer warp core.
Should it be capable of using the CoAxial Warp drive and Spatial Flexure method of FTL propulsion?
Yes, but does it have the ablative generator armor?
I have got to ask where do you get you schematic line drawings? They are so good an you have them for so many classes I can't find elese where
Side note, we (in universe) know the voyager wasn’t destroyed. We know it becomes a museum ship and was only 7 years old and in great shape when she came home from the delta quadrant because, apparently, it had the absolute best repair crews in starfleet. The intrepid class would’ve still been in service and presumably still in production or at least still in widespread use when the Voyager A was built. So why would she have been retired other than some writer saying they wanted a new ship for their story? Like when they just wanted a new Enterprise for the end of ST:Picard s3.
Really wish production crews would pay attention to that stuff, that was the worst thing Nicolas Myers and Nimoy kept trying to force in ST 2&3 and in 6. Relatively new ships being retired as an analogy to the characters aging which opened the doors for less talented writers and directors to latch onto that idea and spread it out between all iterations of the universe because just wanted a new hero ship in movie or series.
could've just done a refit. that was good enough for the constitution.
Merchandise sales.
by the time voyager returned to the alpha quadrant and to starfleet it had traveled more lightyears and been involved in more first contacts, and seen more consistent battle then any ship starfleet had ever had -- its retirement was well earned, mind you if you follow the cannon of STO then it was still in some use for a few years after it returned under the command of Tuvok.
I like to believe that starfleet would likely have it on short missions under the command of Tuvok/Chekotay for a few years after Janeway was promoted to admiral while the new Voyager A test bed was being built along side several other test beds based on technology designed and gleaned between the dominion war borg incursions/the artifact and of course the big one being everything voyager brought back from the delta quadrant and the moment the ship could be decommissioned it was as by this time the ship was in dire need of refits and or complete replacement after everything it had been involved during its travels in the delta quadrant also due to its significant accomplishments it was obviously going to be ear marked for museum status immediately.
The Intrepid class was designed to go out for approximately 3 years between overhauls and have access to at least the nearest Spacedock-type station for repairs. Voyager was doing emergency repairs planetside for twice that timespan. That adds up. Quickly. There’s a damn good reason she had a ship (well the Cerritos) as support even on a routine flight to Earth.
It's not the years, it's the mileage. ;)
Voyager spent a significant amount of time away from any sort of support (as others have commented), and with all the tech integrated in over the years, I wouldn't be surprised if they decommissioned her so they could go over every inch of the ship studying it and the effects of extensive time away from starbase support, as well as studying the new tech and so forth onboard.
It makes more sense then a 1km long Odyssey showing up in the mid-2380s (right around when the Synths attacked...) to take over from the Ent-E (mysterious early retirement there... possibly due to that mess at the end of Prodigy S1 somehow?), only to get early retirement itself 15 years later. A planned retirement with apparently no successor in place if they decided to shit on the Titan legacy with the Ent-G.
So that's the voyager-A. All this time i though that it was the one from DJ curtis, but i guess this one is good
Why didn't it have transphasic torpedoes and the armour tech that admiral Janeway gave voyager in the last episode?
The size suprised me, it looked smaller than the intrepid
What's up with the UFP manning their experimental craft with newbies? You'd think "prodigies" have yet to prove themselves to be worthy to be playing with the Federations newest, untested, highly dangerous toys in their first application.
They're on a work study with Janeway, not crewmembers quite yet
@@thod8820 Yea, and what's your excuse for the Discovery with the shiny experimental spore drive? This is not the exception, it's a trend...
@@dominic.h.3363 Discovery didn't have any kids on board that I remember. I think Tilly might have been a cadet, but it's not weird for ships to have lower ranking people on board, especially since that first season takes place during a war. I think the real difference is that the shows are focusing more on lower ranked characters, not that they weren't always there. Spoilers for season 1 of Disco I guess, but Tilly is a notorious Captain in the mirror universe, and Lorca seems to have surrounded himself with people he knew about. So if you wanna extra layer that might be part of it.
@@thod8820 Yea, sure, like the Discovery writers had deliberately thought about that nuance, and weren't just like "the existing mirror universe episodes feature the same people, so should ours".
Tilly is not the exception, she is the rule. The one new series where it's evident without having to conjure up head-canon that seasoned crew is manning the ship is SNW. Discovery has a bunch of rookies, so does Prodigy.
@@dominic.h.3363 I mean I think they use the same character's because that's kinda the whole gimmick with the Mirror Universe and they're gonna use the same cast. The whole reason Michael is on the ship in the first season is because of her mirror self's interactions with Lorca, so I think they probably thought about it at least a little bit.
Also, Strange New Worlds does have an important cadet, Uhura. She's about as impactful as Tilly is in her show. Outside very specific situations none of these shows have low rank folks in charge. Prodigy has Janeway and her bridge crew. Discovery has them giving advice and once has Tilly as Saru's temp XO for training. Strange New Worlds has Uhura being respected but she's not in a leadership role often.
Edit: Lower Decks also has lower ranking folks, but they have a bridge crew too. I think the real difference is just what perspective we're seeing the shows from in these new series more so than a shift in how the structure of the world works.
this needs a captain Hedley
Has Prodigy season 2 begun?
Hmm.
How do you get picked for that
( Captain ) ?
Missing the variable pylons is kinda sad
Is it just my imagination, or does the front of the Infinity look like something from a James Cameron movie? 😀
Gotta be honest...
If the warp core is in the fore section of the saucer, that would be quite a bad inefficient design.... (-_-)
Even considering the cetacean operation area, they should have put that core in the neck/aft of the ship...
Now, they will have to unnecessarily extend dedicated energy conduits throughout the saucer & neck of the ship making it more vulnerable...
This class had "Amraments"? oh daer..
🤘😆🤘
I’m confused …. Did the second season come out ?
Yeap. On Netflix
@@joseaguilar3323 ohhh cool, thanks !
You've been Rick, but are you still Rick? If not, who are you now? I need answers.
It feels too big inside. Like it was made for giants
Is it just me or does this ship kind of look like a Vesta?
Shoulda been a torpedo boat.
I was not even aware that the Voyager was featured in another Star Trek show.
Probably didnt know cause i didnt watch Prodigy.
The second season does a LOT canon wise, despite being a kids show. So it's definitely worth a watch if you're into knowing every little Trek detail.
It's probably also the biggest Star Trek time-travel storyline outside of Enterprise (with the Temporal Cold War), Voyager (with Janeway and the Borg) and the whole Kelvin timeline thing.
As a show, it gets off to a rough start, mired in targeting kids. but the 2nd half of season 1 gets serious, and season 2 is the best season of star trek i think has ever been done.
Prodigy Season 2 just came out this week so Voyager A is brand new
People think it’s some goofy kids show but if you ignore the main group (the people who commandeered protostar in s1) it is a really interesting show.
@@ThatFoYouKnow I ain’t even gonna lie it’s also technically a spin-off of the tos era animation series since it is also an animated series and is following new lore while still having tos and tmp etc lore
Never heard of this class, but I like it. Nice and sleek.
It would be better if it was a LeVar Class.
I'm sure the special ship was "destroyed" lol
That's Hedley! Hedley Lamarr!
Hello
Screw Communism. :p
Sorry couldn't resist lol, hello.
so interesting that a channel called 'Certifiably Ingame' is doing videos about things that exist outside of the 'game'.
Are there not anymore real Trek channels out there that understand that everything 2009+ is not to be counted, it's a different universe ..
They do not coexist together.
Pretty sure this is as much prodigy that I’m ever going to watch
Your loss tbh
I liked the look of the Voyager A, the addition of the whale was an interesting touch, can't remember the last time i saw any entirely aquatic starfleet crew. I'm looking forward to your breakdown/review of Prodigy season 2, i really liked it overall, though i really wish they hadn't tied it to Picard, that show was just fucking _AAWWFUL_ Prodigy is by far the only real star trek that we've gotten since Enterprise.
cmon that ship was named after jhon lamarr engineer of the orville!
I think the fact that the doctor was zipping around the ship with his emitter was probably a money decision to not waste the money and doing different CGI for him just for that one kind continuity again it’s for kids.
but clearly he shouldn’t have that. if he’s using the internal system to move around the ship he should have an emitter, he never did that with Voyager.
Also, if they’re saying that the hologram emitters are able to replicate the mobile emitter, then that would mean they should be able to replicate emitter for any hologram that’s why I don’t like the fact that they’re showing him moving and do the ship with the emitter because it adds the implication that the Star fleet can create a imobile emitter
@@ThatFoYouKnowmy head canon tells me that emitter he wears on the ship is a holographic decoration, not the real thing. He is too used to the emitter, even when he is not wearing it, he wants to be appeared wearing it. 😂🎉
I like the Lamarr Class starship.
Known Ships
USS Lumarr
USS Voyager
Though if I where to create a variant of the Lamarr Class (and Sorry to annoy):
USS Gawr Gura NX-4390620 (Prototype) the 4390 representing the first part of her subscriber count and the 620 representing her birthday of June 20th.
USS Gigi Murin
USS Ceres Fauna
USS Cecilia Immergreen
USS Mori Calliope
USS Hakos Baelz
USS IronMouse
USS Lucy Pyre (not Pyro)
USS Nanashi Mumei
Gawr Gura, Mori Calliope and IronMouse are the most popular Vtubers that I know of anyway.
The front of the ship should have a shark like silhouette and have fins at the end of the nacelles for such a design, that is a variant of course.
Well the name Gawr Gura should go to a small ship not a large capital ship like the Enterprise since Gawr Gura is 4 feet 7 inches and I am really sure Lucy Pyre is around the same height as well while the others are taller.
Real missed opportunity to give this a modernized oberth/Olympic science vessel style instead of the increasingly common pseudo-sovereign shape. Real lack of variety lately.
And here I was sure it was named for Kendrik Lamarr, FUWAMOCO's unknowing rival.
1:26 It’s not Hedy. It’s Hedley. Hedley Lamarr😂
Is there a USS Hedley?
"It's Headly." -Blazing Saddles
For me, looking at it it looks way to similar to a sovereign class. While watching the show, i thought that it might actually be a sovereign subclass.
Just a mini sovereign looks nothing like voyager
Are you sure it wasn't named for Hedley Lamarr?
Starfleet needs to start using historical figures from other member species for ship/class names.
They are too human-centric.
This honestly bugs the hell outta me too. Starship class names fit best when inspired by ideals, aspirations, places, or cosmic objects (Constitution, Excelsior, Intrepid, Galaxy, Sovereign, Odyssey, etc). Anything but someone's name (which is always conveniently a human born on Earth in or before the 21st century for some reason)!
@@Magnus4096 I guess the new crop of writers have a vocabulary too small for that sort of names.
@@Magnus4096 Picard S2 & 3 actually did name a handful of Starfleet ships after aliens behind the scenes. None of them were explicitly named aloud but they are there:
Maha Naree
Gotana-Retz
Ni’Var
Shallash
Jaresh-Inyo
Sarahd
Thy’lek Shran
Shras
T’Jan
Solkar
As in, Mark Lamaar…?
So they replaced the Vesta with a Vesta knock off kitbashed with Sovy and called it Voyager hoping folks wouldnt notice?
Also mthr Fing Lens Flares!
I said it before and I'll say it again. The Intrepid was a RUBBISH long range explorer. For the first 3 series of Voyager every other episode was "something critically important has broken down and we need the McGuffin to fix it." Even the NX had less breakdowns and that was humanity's first attempt at a long range explorer.