The Ships of Star Trek Picard Season 3
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- Spacedock delves into the many new and old starship designs of #StarTrek Picard Season 3 #startrekpicard
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The way D's nacelles glinted as they exited the museum was gorgeous. The new camera angles were also amazing, all the ones that that the physical model could never achieve.
I think the D getting down like it was in Ace Combat was thanks to Data. He multi-tasked the thrusters like a god.
Probably his greatest achievement.
I'd wager other federation ships could pull it off, but I doubt with the skill Data has.
Greatest? Give the Robot some credit he technically cheated death. Although something tells me DATA that died in Season 1 was still the true data and the one we see in Season 3 is and isn't Data being a algamation of 3 turning into a new individual. DATA B4 and Lore. hmm. Data before Lore..
You can put the best stunt driver in a stock Honda Accord, and s/he'll drive it better than nearly anyone else- but its still a freaking Accord, and there are limits to what the machine can pull off and endure.
A Galaxy-Class, even with the best helmsman in the quadrant, is still a Galaxy-Class, with the same amount of thrusters and maneuvering tech that it had in Next Gen... And a similar amount of mass that has to be accounted for.
Also- we can't forget that Troi apparently was able to fly the Dee just was well, if not better- she did take over controls and escaped the explosion, complete with a pit stop. So, can't even just say it was the android...
@@Sephiroth144 Granted she had a little bit of extra room in there. I don't think she was the one that escaped the main explosion.
I'd also give a good reason on why the Ent D didn't fly like that before would be the inerial dampeners inability to keep up with Data's maneuvering. If the D was rocking back and forth like that with 1000+ people onboard Sickbay would be flooded with crash injuries
@@DarthTaz My thoughts exactly... we've seen her pull some incredible tight and spot turns, but it's always been a single quick manoeuvre here or there, not continuous manoeuvre after manoeuvre. We know the RCS is up to it, so that leaves the IDS and LS to limit it. With no crew, IDS and LS can basically be off for most of the vessel. freeing up even more power for the RCS and defence systems (something alluded to in DS9 too, even though we never see a galaxy pull stunts in that show either).
I really liked the Intrepid. I thought the underslung pod and general layout gave it a real sense of menace, almost from the Tom Paris school of design "Want trouble to look the other way? Look like you will phaser a fool for just thinking of scanning you!" Also I had to let the whole Titan refit issue go because it was driving me batty. Seems like it was more a plot element to drive conflict than to make any sense at all.
It made me think of mutalisks from StarCraft.
Looks like the Intrepid was another "old design made new" like the Shangri-La class, from that shot of the Shangri-La and some other TMP era ship with a similar underslung pod in this video. Guess that's where they were pulling their inspiration from this season.
My first Trek Hero ship, the Intrepid :D
@@Withernallmy first hero ship was the Ent-D, never forget the day I discovered Star Trek TNG and eventually the whole series of movies and series
@@CASA-dy4vs I *really* want to like the Galaxy-class. But it looks good from exactly *one* angle. Otherwise the saucer section has a wonky shape, or the nacelles don't look quite right, or the secondary hull looks too spindly for the rest of the ship. The Intrepid looked a bit... "put together with some thought". But if you like the Galaxy-class, I'm not gonna repudiate your stance! :)
My favorite of this season is seeing Spacedock "tank" an armada of such size and firepower for so long! You could see a few ships succumbing to the station's firepower as well.
When it comes to the Ent-D flying like she's a fighter...I'd bet under normal circumstances those sorts of moves would rather shorten the lifespan of a ship's hull, which is why you wouldn't typically see those maneuvers. But given the situation, and the fact she's just going to be going back to a museum if they survived, there'd be no real harm in pushing the old girl to her limits just that once.
What people forget is how manuverable trek ships really are
Then there is the fact of who was piloting the Ship. DATA.
A ship also that had no crew other than those on the bridge and any drones working around in her. So all you really had to do was focus life support to a certain section allowing the ship to perform the way it does and DATA was likely using every single thruster and engine to the max.
It's also notable that within the same episode, the Titan-A, which is fully manned and crewed, didn't move like a fighter, and maneuvered in less spectacular fashion (albeit still fast). Part of that is likely due to its helmsman at the time not being the best there is, but it does highlight how spectacular the maneuvering on the Enterprise D was inside the cube and the extenuating circumstances behind its ability to do so. It's also telling that the Enterprise D only really maneuvered so sharply in the episode on two occasions both inside the Borg Cube, and that otherwise it was mostly flying straight with gentler maneuvers. Third thing of note is that the Galaxy always had the potential to move like that, but likely wasn't practiced much for safety concerns: as mentioned, moments like Picard's slingshot maneuver around an asteroid, or the other times the Galaxy and other similar sized ships made sharp maneuvers.
And there's not 1200 people, including kids and civilians, onboard, trotting about the arboretum or enjoying water landscapes on the holodeck.
You also don't have to worry about a crew & civilians getting squished, along with all their stuff.
Fans complained that Season 1 Picard was a copy-pasta of one or two Federation ships. By Season 3 of Picard, the design and SFX teams had virtually brought back as many old ships as possible and practically canonized Star Trek Online's entire fleet roster all at once. That's awesome. 🙂
You are right. It's absolutely amazing.
Thats not all fans complained about during S1
I wonder where the copy/paste fleet was for the battle lol
Done right
And people are complaining about that too. I hate this fan base soooo much.
On the one hand, they call the Titan a 'refit', but on the other hand, it's called the Titan A, rather than just the Titan, suggesting it's a new ship.
The way I figure it is that it makes such heavy reuse of materials from the original Titan, but rearranges them so severely, that even the characters in-universe are a bit unsure whether to consider it a new ship or a refit, so they just kinda treat it as being both at the same time.
The way i understood it was that there was a Titan before the Luna Class Titan from Riker but they had different registry numbers, just re-used the Name,
that was the original fan design, it also hangs on the wall in the conference room, it is totally possible that the -A is a refit of the original first ship with donor pieces from the Luna Class...
now why they would decommission a Luna Class ship when those still fly around in the Show, who knows?
I thought it was a cool Ship but the whole Titan angle was a bit weird and renaming it to Enterprise G at the end was just... jesus i just got over the awkwardness of calling it the Titan and now you made it awkward all over again.
I always wanted to see Riker on the Titan in live action, but of course HIS Luna Class, this didn't scratch that itch that went unscratched ever since Nemesis.
@@ZeroB4NG I could give some explanation.
For the refit.
The Neo Constitution likely was a new ship all together, and Riker being Riker likely got involved in a fight which crippled the ship so horribly that re-building her especially after MARS likely wasn't cost efficient. When they were building the A, and Rikers ship came up someone figured that since the computer core and elements of the Lunar ship was still useable and could be adapted to the New Constitution they just installed them. We don't know for sure how much of Rikers ship was truly installed but its likely his titan might have had a refit at some point prior to the incident before and someone figured those parts were too valuable to scrap and installed them on the Titan A and figured since a sizable portion of the former Lunar was in the Neo Constitution just write it off as a refit, and just pray to the gods someone doesn't bring it up.
This would explain why no one was sure how to call the Titan A a refit or a new ship.
As for being called the New Enterprise. I think people got used to Enterprise being the Flagship. Having her back as one of the ships instead of the ship kinda gives her more breathing room again. A chance to be more like Voyager, or the original TOS enterprise as that one ship that can do these missions or lost somewhere and considered a semi-disposable asset if something goes wrong or did go wrong.
Enterprise in TOS was a little through middle age when she was doing her five years with Kirk. Older ship means a little more acceptable to lose. More willing to take risk
@@ZeroB4NG your explanation doesn't work though, because the registry number is that of riker's titan
One of the things I really appreciate about Star Trek as a franchise is the refits. I get while in reality this was a way for the show to save money, but it is something that most fictional settings don’t bother with
Stargate SG1 is the only other show I can think of where Refits and such happen on a regular basis.
Despite being a fan overall of Season 3, especially compared to the last 2 seasons, I wasn't a fan of the renaming of the Titan. It's generally a bit unlucky to rename a ship normally, let alone what the Titan had been through. It's one of the reason i think the Ent-A had so many issues in ST: V, and while, in the moment, it was a nice gesture, it really wasn't needed. Having the Titan carry the flag for a while would have been fine, and unless the next few Enterprises are around for centuries, we're getting awfully close to J a lot sooner than expected.
I'll admit, some of the annoyance is to how the show runners both love STO for their designs, but at the same time seem to go out of their way to mess with their timeline. Which sucks since a LOT of it could be tied in without issue. Focus on the Changeling ID protocols lets the Undine have a way in since their abilities aren't based on the same sort of shapeshifting. Mothballing the F since it's been damaged from some event could have allowed for it to be brought back into service after extensive repairs, delayed by interference from the Undine, Letting the Titan take the flagship role for a decade.
When they added the Verity way early in the timeline in the comics, we were annoyed, but figured out how to adjust the timeline to make it work.
Copy-paste fleet? Yeah, the new spacedock facilities have more advanced replicators, so can print most of a hull in one piece: great for durability, abysmal for serviceability. Leads to the modular parts for Kitbashing.
Borg coming back? Yeah, makes sense. Bee colonies can occasionally kick out their queen if the hive becomes a liability, Having a nuralytic pathogen in your system could very well have had the queen take here "loyal" drones and hide at the edge of space while looking for a solution, managing dwindling numbers. It also lets the Borg Cooperative gain a foothold, and allows for the Borg to reform into a new collective with the design we see in STO, and a queen voiced by Lani Minellia.
But, I digress. Most of my complaints was to how for the longest time, STO was the torchbearer of the franchise, stories set in the post- Nemesis timeframe with respect for the established lore, creative ways to include the Kelvin Timeline stuff, and even the Discovery era, that made enough sense to not be super jarring. STO has it's problems, but how it tried to make something from the dangling plot threads left behind from the series has always a highlight.
That being said, Here's hoping that Shaw gets a shuttle named after him when the G series comes. Although, knowing Shaw, he'd probably prefer a Workbee. Keep up the good work, Spacedock.
The Titan also got designed with both TNG style phaser banks and completely obsolete phaser emitters taken directly from the deisgn's 23rd Century history. We even see them fire in the last episode, so they actually are just two types of phaser on one ship which I find very messy.
Some STO players do combine beams and cannons/turrets (though it's usually fore cannons with beams or a full cannon/turret build).
@@Janoha17 This isn't STO.
@@Janoha17 I used to do it the other way around in STO, all decked out in Turrets and Cannons for rapid fire and fire at will spray, and Dual Beam Banks with Beam Overload for a massive alpha strike ...on like an Akira Class or a Prometheus Class... and practically on all the Klingon Cruisers, just fits the theme of a Vor'cha better.
@@ZeroB4NG That's actually a pretty neat build.
Another thing I found messy is how the forward torpedo tube would have to fire at a noticable downward angle to prevent it's ordnance from slamming directly into the saucer's lower sensor buldge.
The Enterprise-D got the ending it deserved.
unlike the E. 😞
@@cyberdetective01 That was not his fault.
The side by side shot of enterprise-d and titan-a at earth was magnificent! Beautiful ❤. Reminded me of star trek undiscovered country of enterprise-a and excelsior.
Never did understand why people thought the Enterprise D couldn't maneuver the way she did during that Borg Trench run sequence. We've seen her do limited maneuvers inside the Jenolan Dyson Sphere and later on we saw what ships like the miranda class and others could do during the battle sequences in DS9. From the battle of Wolf 359 with Sisko's Saratoga and the rest of the fleet trying to slow down the Borg, to what we've seen those ships do during the Dominion War. It's space, with inertia dampeners, there's nothing to slow down even a ship as big as the Enterprise D.
The Booby Trap has some pretty crazy maneuvering as well.
People seem to forget that in TNG the ship was a 2 meter model that was being shot on a GO-Motion cam.
Basically it's one of those things where the ship itself has always been capable of doing those maneuvers, but they're rarely practiced for a number of reasons likely related to safety and longevity. It's like how while you normally see vans move comfortably straight and slow, there's nothing preventing them from being used to say drift around a corner at high speed provided you're not carrying anything in the back and your driver has godlike ability (there are actually racing circuits in Japan that do this). In the same way, a mostly empty Galaxy class with the galaxy's most advanced android at the helm basically unlocked the ship's maneuvering potential.
@@forrestpenrod2294 I had wished the writer's used the slingshot maneuver through some part of the cube as an homage to the episode.
@@forrestpenrod2294 except in booby trap they were moving slowly and it's all about flying in low gravity and using that to it's advantage.
And it's very different to Picard s3 and most of nu-trek it's about making star trek capital ships look like fighters for no reason.
There's better ways to make capital ship fights interesting. It doesn't have to be star wars.
As Seven scrolls through the ships, you’ll notice the fan made Insignia-class as an icon in the list.
Not quite sure what that means yet, but it’s cool it was included.
The Bridge Commander soundtrack in the background was an excellent choice.
Wish they’d of done a slower fly thru to see more of all these ships in the show. I know nothing is perfect but I had a great time watching this season! TGFT (thank goodness for Terry)
The D will always be my favorite Enterprise. I think they missed an opportunity for a funny bit of fanservice by not putting some black cardboard over some of the bridge stations. Could've head Geordi rip them off saying "Don't need these anymore" lol
Both Star Trek and Star Wars always featured heavy kitbashing, so it's great to see Star Trek Online assets being used in the actual show, designs which are much more mature.
Completely AGREE with what you say about the "Constitution-III" class. It sticks out so much like a sore thumb when lined up with everything else. As well as the renaming of the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G is like doing a disrespect to Shaw
Feel like it disses both the Titan and the Enterprise legacy, IMnsHO.
How can you think the intrepid side profile looks bad? It’s gorgeous. The side profile is the best part. It looks like a wasp or hornet. I would love to see a show with that’s as the hero ship
I had a sad realization that somewhere in that Frontier Day fleet was the former "lower decks" crew of the Cerritos. Hope they made it.
I didn't see a single Cali-Class in the fleet- they were probably out on the frontier doing real work while all the Sovereign-y ships were at Earth for the dog and pony show... ("The entire fleet" my bum.)
@@Sephiroth144 I can practically hear most of the ensigns complaining about missing out on participating and Mariner pointing out how something horrible is bound to happen there and she's glad they'll be missing out on that part.
@@Sephiroth144 Lower Decks takes place in 2380. Picard Season 3 is set in 2401. You think they haven't been promoted and reassigned in 21 years?
@@ScaryBaldMan But were they assigned to GOOD ships, or the ships that would be out working...? Also, are we including Mariner- like, how stubborn is she to be an Ensign at that point?
Of course, realistically, 20 years could also see them out of Starfleet, dead, assigned to outposts/Starbases, scattered across various ships, etc... And, since everyone we see on the show would be too old to be affected by the Borgification Signal, so any there would be fighting on two fronts.
Picard Season 3 as a Star Trek fan of 4 decades and watched TNG weekly this was awesome.
Beyond glad they canonized the Odyssey class.
Love how the spoiler alert is backed by MASSIVE SPOILER FIGHT
WAIT, that starbase 1 might to be based partially on Star Trek Online's Original Starbase 1, before they remade it to be the show one. There was A LOT more open space in the STO one, but it had similar design elements of the 4 massive pillars expanding from each side, and looks like it has the same Docking system as STO's orginal one as well.
and yeah, the odyssey is such an amazing ship. if anyone wants to see STO's take on How the Enterprise-F came to be and its Captain, an Andorian, Va'kel Shon, there is a story you can access at the end of the game thats an older questline where it makes its first appearence, called the Lost Dominion: the 2800. It also just so happens to be a Sequal story to DS9 where you deal with the 2800 Dominion ships that were deleted from existence seemingly by the prophets in the show.
Season 3 was a big kiss to tng fans. It was incredible
The D is so freaking beautiful, i cant think of a more elegant starship design in any universe setting
The USS Titan-A/Enterprise-G may be my new favorite starfleet ship design.
(Behind the D of course.)
I cried tears of joy in seeing the Enterprise-D again and with the reveal that the Titan became the Enterprise-G. After the disaster of Frontier Day, I can easily see the renaming of the Titan to Enterprise as a desperately needed morale boost - making the ship and crew that took on the Borg AND a Starfleet armada simultaneously the new Flagship. You can't say that she didn't live up to the name "Enterprise", even if she didn't have it just yet.
The G's design really grew on me as the show went on. Honestly I love the slight jankiness behind it.
I don't see the problem with renaming it. She earned the name Enterprise. She was the savior of the Federation long before she got that title. And there's so much potential in a show about an Enterprise that isn't the biggest or best ship in the fleet.
She was already named IN TRIBUTE to something else, the Titan.
She also earned the name Titan. Is every ship that saved the Federation now gonna be named the Enterprise? What about the Defiant, Discovery and all the other ships that did great deeds, should they all be renamed as well. Starfleet has thousands of ships and I'm sure plenty have done great things, so why rename them? If anything, the fact they did great things without the name Enterprise is something that should be rewarded, not punished, like with a legacy registry.
Ships aren’t renamed to the Enterprise as a price. The Enterprise is the fleet flagship of Starfleet, so it always the tip of the spear. The G is a MASSIVE downgrade from the F.
The D should have been refit as a Ross class and given the G designation. A more poetic end to the epic. And 7 should have been the Titans captain, not the Enterprises.
@@martinjrgensen8234 I like your idea!
@@Queue_M4 Oh no. The Discovery is going to be renamed Enterprise. NOOOOO!
I really wish we'd see more done with the Sabre class - I always imagined them functioning in wings of 3-7 ships, patrolling contested areas or backing up a larger ship...
I finally watched Picard. What a turnaround, particularly in the ships department! From the terrible use of ships in season 1, we saw an improvement with the Sagan and the gathered fleet in season 2, to the all you can eat buffet of new/canonized STO ships in season 3. I do hope we get another show set in the post-Picard era.
Nice use of the Bridge Commander music!
They even updated the Inquiry for S3, rounding out the strange flat dorsal part of the secondary hull and replacing the aircon grille deflector with something more Trek-like (an oval blue number). And the paint job got updated!
I'm just disappointed that the Ent-F has been retired so soon. If they'd kept the Titan-A as the Titan-A, I think quite a few people would've followed the voyages of Captain Seven aboard her (if they decided to go with a new Star Trek show).
And that should be the Enterprise D final resting place a Museum Ship permanently docked at the Athon Fleet Museum. Not a crashed Saucer section rusting away on Viridian Three in ST:Generations.
While I like virtually all the post-TNG designs, I find the Galaxy Class design with it's clean curvilinear lines appears to be a more advanced design.
I don't mind the design of the USS Intrepid, except that it's shaped like a Zerg Mutalisk. I can't unsee it.
I'm still surprised that the Borg Cube had it's insides designed by the Windows 95 Screensaver
The Queen loved watching those pipes...
it's funny how they say "every" starship in starfleet was at earth for first contact day. When you need and must have many ships out keeping the peace and even more patrolling the federation borders.
Ive always wondered what the service history of the Hoover class was like for the modern Starfleet to be like (Oooo give me one of those but a redesigned modern version)
The only season of a secret hideout show where the ship designs were not either totally embarrassing or totally.. borrowed. A step in right direction.
And it only took Terry getting back the OG's Doug Drexler and Mike+Denise Okuda.
Did any one else notice the one ship in spacedock that could be a Cali class? Would of been neat if it was an end of life Cerritos, Mariner and Boimler on board, sulking that she's finally being decommissioned?
A much more fitting end for my favorite USS Enterprise.
Great video. I'm with you on the Enterprise G. I don't love it but I don't hate it.
You finally mentioned spacedock
2:15 Are we going to talk about the USS wheresmenacelles seen left of frame? time to carry on watching and find out!
Nope! I wonder if they'll fix that in later releases of the episode?
Glad you guys feel the same about the Neo Constitution class.
i think the Titan A even the it had those hiduos notches in the saucer section it still deserved to be the new enterprise including the new very deserving captain 7of9 to command her
My poor norway class. A criminally underrated design that has never gotten her due.
I'm glad you mentioned about the move of old spacedock. What could tow something that big?
Presumably with a warp drive. Borg cubes warp all the time and those look much bigger.
If not, they probably disassembled it and towed it in sections behind starships. Sounds like the kind of thing the California class would handle.
4:50 My Guess is Sub-Space Field Assisted by 6 Niagara-Class and 4 California-Class Starships over a bit of time.
11:39 and also when it comes to her Stardrive is as bare as a freshly waxed Arse when it comes to weapons, its only ventral weapons are on the saucer, and it’s most critical engineering Systems are in a Blindspot.
They named a ship after a vacuum cleaner ? From Britain. Cooooool
Awesome!
The Enterprise D bridge scenes were awesome. BUT, and many will disagree with me on, I actually preferred the TNG Generations movie bridge over the TNG TV series bridge. and it would have made more sense to bring back the last bridge design the ship actually had... The TNG series bridge needed more stations, always felt it was too sparse and had too much wasted space.
The Norway doesn't show up because STO didn't have a Norway model until late 2022, after the VFX deadline had passed.
I think the Intrepid was meant to be a modern version of the 23rd century Akyazi class.
I like the new Enterprise. The windows in front reminds me of Enterprise A
The final star wars trench run should have just been made with the stardrive. Made no sense with them complaining about the ability to do it when they had an option of having a physically smaller ship with just as much fire power..
Oooor, a bit of dialogue where they go to separate and Geordie confirms that due to the saucer damage that function isn't available etc.
I love the Odyssey class. But I kind of hate those particular nacelles they used on screen. I much prefer the STO refet Nacelles. Or the ones from the Lexington variant
Star Trek capital ships have been behaving like fighters since First Contact, where dozens of city sized ships were swarming around that Cube like angry bees. It really doesn't make a lot of sense for them not to, either. Size is relative in space, and with those magic star trek engines it would be nutty to think they wouldn't be nimble and fast.
Jack went to the Academy. He was fast teacked
nice breakdown.
As i recall they blew up the Enterprise D so they could design a mich smaller but still fierce kooking ship to fit on acreen better.
Of course now a thats not hard but back then it was most likely a hassle.
Nice.
ST critics TH-cam channels seem to have mostly negative things to say. I appreciate this host atleast points out things they like.
One thing I realized about the Enterprise-G. A lot of people feel it's a step back from the more advanced Enterprise-F. It's smaller, less grand, less futuristic, more bulky. And I think that is actually a point Starfleet might be trying to make. The whole season had a theme of "maybe the last generation has some things worth carrying forward",and I feel that is evident in the Enterprise G. I'm interested to see what happens going forward with it!
Even if I accepted that, (which, yeah, I'm one of the ones who is still stewing about that), it'd still be a slap in the face to the Titan's legacy, (the ship that did essentially everything in the season). If Starfleet really wanted to give the Enterprise-G name to a mid-tier Connie-III class, I'm sure there were other C3s around...
@Jeremy Owens this is true, I don't disagree on that.
Honestly, and this may be an unpopular opinion as well, but I think it would also have been a bold idea to refit and relaunch the Enterprise D as the G.
Agreed, and why it was a Constitution class descendant as well.
A few comments...
Yes spacedock did amazingly well. There I was thinking the thing should be swiss cheese. I kind of like the additional discs around it as it harks back to older Star Trek space station design while still looking fresh.
Having the original design of Constitution class there looks odd to me. Render it as well as you like and it _still_ looks like something that was designed in a much simpler era of television. Even just dropping in the TMP refit would have been more aesthetically consistent with newer stuff.
I was never a fan of the Odyssey _but_ surely it is too young to be de-commissioned. And was Shelby ever that dumb? Back in the day I would have liked her to become the new Number One and have Riker get his own spin-off show. Guess that's some alternate universe...
The Titan seems like every part of it is cool by itself but put them all together and - well - the whole is less than the sum of its parts. Bring the two hulls vertically closer and give the saucer a somewhat more contemporary look and it could have worked better.
And then there was the Enterrpise D - looked better than I would have expected even if it entering and destroying the Death Star was a bit over the top. :)
I agree with *everything* stated in this video. The F grew on me, the Titan is a *mess*, the Duderstadt is slick as heck. It's not often a video like this hits all the right notes for me, but this nails it. Well done, Spacedock!!
I loved seeing the Enterprise D again. I did not care the Titan being re named as the Enterprise G. And what the heck with the retro look of the Titan?
There are some nice new ship designs in Picard Season 3, maybe too many completely new ships. There must be some Nebula, Galaxy, Intrepid, Defiant and Sovereign or even original Excelsior class ships left in service since there were so many of them seen in TNG. It's a little sad that we probably won't see much of the Enterprise F and i don't like MMOs, so i won't see that ship in Star Trek Online. I really like the design.
The Titan A looks nice, but imho not really Enterprise material. Also i think the physical models from the 90s still look better than the cgi models here. For some reason the Enterprise D looked a lot better in Star Trek Generations than here in Picard season 3.
Still: I liked season 3 overall while i didn't like season 1 and 2 a lot.
It looks like they are going all in the MMO ships. Most of them are ugly and I don't want them.
There were 17 Sovereign-class ships at Frontier Day, along with numerous Nebula, Akira, Luna and Defiant-class ships. The Excelsiors were very old even during the Dominion War, and in desperate need of replacement. There were also several other Odyssey-class ships at Frontier Day, so we may see more of them in the future. We've only ever see two Intrepids, suggesting that very few were built, and explaining we didn't see any. The Galaxy-class design is nearly 50 years old by 2401 and has serious limitations, explaining why it was evemtually replaced by the Sovereign, Ross and Odyssey designs.
@@bl8danjil My god, I am certainly glad that you are an minority with your opinion. Most people in the trek starship fan base know that the STO team puts more effort and time into making their design than shows like discovery ever did.
@@trilobite2500 You are the minority. Why do you think most people in STO run original ships? They are aesthetically better. STO team does make good ships, but that's rare. More often they just pump them out so the players have something to grind for. The majority of their designs overall are just duds, like they fall short.
@@bl8danjil most of the STO designs as seen in Picard are fantastic. That isn’t a minority opinion given Eaglemoss’s rapid expansion to make them and Gameprint’s enduring success.
I will agree that most of the game original ships at launch were ugly as all hell.
The Duderstadt class reminds me of a male chihuahua.
Nah, whoever did that Cube readout screwed up.
The enterprise d bridge should be the gold standard for all scifi futuristic flagship spaceship bridges, well maybe except for shows like Galactica and the expanse.
Why, because for one it actually well lit compared to other most modern (since 80s era) scifi spaceship bridges...
From the white star to Andromeda to Prometheus etc all looks somewhat dark, I mean seriously why... You can build intergalactic spaceships but can't put some adequate lighting in there? What's the point of making everything dark? Simply copying real world naval vessels? But they're futuristic spaceships with tech beyond our real world era, they all have magic power plants, there's no excuse for not having enough energy that can be handwaved if necessary.
Sovereign class forever!
How good would a dead space style game be with Borg....
The Defiant class was also part of the Frontier Day fleet.
The Duderstadt class looks like it has a dong lol
I'm not a fan of the Titan-A becoming the Enterprise-G. The Titan deserved to continue it's own legacy.
Still not a fan of the Enterprise-D. It's the personification of the Federation's complacency and opulence. It least it kicked ass for a change in the finale, that was cool.
I do like it when ships move quickly though, like how the Titan and Sovereign classes moved during combat in Lower Decks.
Uh. Did anyone notice the Ross class without nacelles?
Two Enterprises? You know the ship was refit for STTMP...right? That old Constitution Class in the USS New Jersey.
The NX-01 is there as well.
I guess the Titan-A was a placeholder before commissioning as the G? Like... they were still doing the refit, and it was the working name for the "new" ship? I guess?
Also, the D acting like a fighter and the size of the cube makes me wonder if the Defiant or Bounty was supposed to be the one making the run, not the D....
It was always meant to be the D as they invested a lot of money and effort into rebuilding the bridge set. But if you care to look up some concept arts by Doug Drexler (Dave Blass posted them a week ago) the D was originally supposed to fly much slower through the vastness of this new borg vessel (V'ger style). I don't know why they changed it.
@@trilobite2500 Oh I WISH it was a V'Ger style Unimatrix Command Ship...
How good would a starfleet command 4 game be now, with all of these new star ships
So what happened to the copy paste fleet of Zheng He class starship from Picard season 1...?
Fans complain about everything, as for the D flying like a space ship . Watch the next generation episode relics see how the enterprise D flies like a fighter out of the Dyson spear
Uhhh...02:15 - 02:18 top of frame, slightly to the left - Ross-class nacelles...render error? As in, they aren't there! The Bussard Collectors are but the rest of it is not...
ah, the video i was looking for, noice
I honestly think that it should have the commissioning of the enterprise f not the decommissioning
A lot of what the current show runners are trying to pull off with the ship design backstories lately are a bit nonsensical. The Stargazer from Season 2 was apparently not a new ship of the line inspired by the layout of the original, but a refit of the original itself. The Titan, apparently not just a refit, but a refit with a complete overhaul of the layout, but then, even though it's the same ship, given a legacy registry number for some reason? And then, having been given a legacy registry of its own, being rechristened Enterprise, with a new legacy registry?
And the Enterprise F. Someone told me a couple days ago (I've been unable to find where they got this from after only a brief search) that the Enterprise F was decommissioned, then re-christened the U.S.S. Shelby? Which, if true, makes absolutely no sense, but kindof wouldn't surprise me with the way the producers are apparently playing fast and loose with refit history and ship naming convention in this era. The loss of Utopia Planitia and the need for spare parts might explain some of this, but it's been 20 some-odd years since then, and surely the Federation had other shipyards even then, right?
I have something to say about the Borg Cube
You gotten wrong!
There's a tactical Cube "fusion" in Voyager, 8 tactical cubes can merge in a bigger Tactical Cube, also portrayed in the Star Trek Armada games
I don't see why, let's say 100 cubes, can't merge into a supermega cube by Queen command (IDK the exact number it's just an estimate)...
If Star Trek: legacy is based on the "G" Crew I am curious of the showrunners stick with the Ex-Titian A or we see a New Enterprise-H!
Renaming the Titan A to the Enterprise G is shitting on the Titan's legacy. In Star Trek like in real life names get recycled all the time, but the registry is changed except for in very, very rare circumstances and it's always because the previous incarnation did something really big and really impressive. So the Titan A being the Titan A means that the original Titan (Riker's first Titan?) did some really impressive things so that when the next ship to carry the name "Titan" was commissioned it also inherited the registry number of the previous Titan.
We need Eaglemoss back!
I don't understand the contention over the renaming to the "G". It just sounds like grumbling from older fans who don't like change to me. The only thing I would change is maybe a lighter and more optimistic color scheme for the G, go forward. Luckily, if they do decide to make a show with it, they can basically change the ship however they want and just say it got a slight refit between shows.
I don't agree with bad points of Bill's new enterprise. The motion picture refit is my favourite so I absolutely love the new one. Lots of details look like the refit, and those saucer slices at the back not only look cool, are maneuvering impulse engines. Like airplane ailerons
This rebuilt Enterprise-D is even stronger than the original D thanks to the stardrive from the USS Syracuse, which I'm willing to gamble was a Dominion War variant of the Galaxy class. You know, those brick walls that form the heart of the Starfleet battlegroups.
Of course, brick walls aren't known for turning on a dime...
I was thinking the same thing too, my guess is that the Syracuse lost its saucer during the war.
IIRC Galaxy classes constructed during the war were frequently sent to fleets with 60% of the space frame empty. No sense in fitting them with labs if they're going to get destroyed at Chin'toka.
@@Dan19870that extra space low key coulda housed more weapons
@@CASA-dy4vs,
or more shield generators
or auxiliary power systems
or troops
Starfleet's materials shortages may explain why they can't seem to afford enough light bulbs to properly illuminate their vessels. Thank goodness Geordi was able to scrounge up enough for the bridge of the refitted Enterprise-D.
😂 For real. A future where money doesn't exist because everything materializes out of thin air has shortages for light emitters.
You can blame Gladiator for every set having to be dark and edgy.
to be fair, the bit we saw of the D was the bridge, which the saucer on in the show was the same one that crashed and was recovered. So those were probably the original bulbs as the crew last left her.
The engineering section, however, was built from scratch and is likely an ENTIRELY different proposition.
Also the bizarre shortage of carpeting.
@@typhoonoftempest Either scratch or salvaged from another Galaxy class.
The ships this season were amazing, sadly my favorite was the Enterprise F. The Titan-A just isnt a looker like the beautiful Odyssey class F, which with its Galaxy inspired bridge was sort of a muscular evolved Enterprise E with interior elements and size taken from the Enterprise D.
The deflector you talk about on the Pathfinder is the secondary deflector for space magic - its main deflector is in its traditional position on the engineering hull
I think that the Galaxy is ABLE to move like that, but doesn't because it puts the crew at greater risk due to the increased load on the inertial dampeners. Similar to how impulse drives CAN move faster than 1/3 c but don't due to the relativistic effects.
IIRC, the Enterprise makes a similarly abrupt turn when escaping from the shock wave produced by the Amargossa star's collapse in Generations.
also Picard's slingshot handling of the Ent-D in the episode with the Snare trap.
It's also likely that it could move so well due to the expertise of their positronic crewmember, who could calculate the routes better than any pilot or computer
I *would* have liked some comment about the Structural Integrity Fields or the like... Similar to how you can take a regular sedan and drive it around like stunt driver- the car can do it, but its not good for the car. So, some mention that "she can't handle much more, cap'n" would've been nice.
Even during the regular Run the D sometimes made near hairpin turns to warp away or for example in 'Relics' where they flipped here on her side in an instant to fit through the closing doors.
So there's plenty of evidence to your argument. Star Trek Ships are all surprisingly nimble and quick.
I think the Galaxy isn't able to move like that and there is an annoying thing where the makers of nu-trek, and I assume Alex Kurtzman specifically, want Star Trek ship action to just be Star Wars (even though the ships in Star Trek are capital ships not fighters) so he forced a literal Star Wars sequence into Picard s3.
All the conn officers now are supposed to be hot head speed machine pilots. Not people in charge of a massive ship plotting a course
If Data had gone, I can do this and maneuvred it like in the booby trap not like in a Star Wars film as a tight very precise use of using his ability as data when he goes off on one and did his super speed I'm amazing thing and it's not a chase or anything it's just a very very tense thing where data is inputting hundreds even thousands of miniscule course corrections every minute that would have been so much cooler.
I am curious about the sort of circular cross formation the Starfleet ships formed while under Borg control. The pattern looked vaguely Borg-ish, bu I haven't found any match to it.
I was wondering why the entire season was short on light bulbs, until they arrived on the Enterprise D bridge. It was all so the good lighting there could be a contrast and look like a relief and a sign that the heroes were finally on the right tack.