I also kind of disagree with your point on Elphaba. I think she does have an arc, that is very well shown in the lyrics of her "I want" song of The Wizard and I and then contrasting that with her lyrics in Defying Gravity. Glinda sings: You could have all you ever wanted and she says: I know. But I don't want it... no, I CAN'T want it any more. But in The Wizard and I she is all about wow, how her self actually fits in, how well she could work with the Wizard, and how the Wizard can degreenify her. She used to want all those things, and her arc is realizing that whatever makes her stand out will always be there, because they are integral to who she is, and her sense of justice is triggered by what the Wizard is doing to the Animals as well. So she just says "fuck it", and decides to be the villain, if she will always clash with society anyways. And well, in part 2 this angle changes in and shifts in her again, but that's another story...
Yeah I agree Glinda is definitely a antagonist she's not evil and I like her character but I have a bad taste in my mouth that Glinda didn't stick by Elphaba and go with her for her mission to save the animals that's not a very good friend and I'm very conflicted on the Wizard what he was doing was very wrong but he didn't feel evil he just feels extremely misguided and I don't know if someone could convince The Wizard that what he was doing was terrible maybe he could be convinced to change his ways it's just I don't know The Wizard doesn't feel mustache twirling evil like Madame Morrible and i feel like The Wizard can be reasoned with unlike Madame Morrible who would just kill your ass on the spot.
My take is this: Glinda is one example of how and why people end up complicit. I see her as someone who genuinely believes and wants to do good, and she also incredibly privileged and insulated from life. It never occurs to her that she is low key insulting those around her with her offers. It never occurs to her that it isn't actually "kind" to convince Boq to ask out Nessa. To her it's a win-win-win She doesn't have to deal with him AND he can meet someone else AND Nessa gets to go. She has emotions and CAN be intentionally cruel (the hat) but she feels guilty when she is and she tries to make up for it. However, since she is popular and intends to be good, she assumes that others with popularity also must intend to be good. So she wants to let the Wizard explain because she believes there must actually be a good explanation. To her reputation and intention are the same thing, and she doesn't understand (yet) how intention and action differ. She wants to stay because she genuinely doesn't believe they could be causing harm on purpose. She understands Elphaba's emotions, and she knows Elphaba's mind is made up, but PART of the reason Glinda is sad is also because she thinks Elphaba is making a grave mistake.
it's actually the opposite. The Wizard IS evil, sure, he's complex too, but yes, he's a horrible person, who does obviously immoral acts. Galinda/Glinda is not inherently evil. She's working within the system. it's ultimately a story about how two different people handle oppression and why. Galinda ends up doing a lot of good, and without her, some very important good things in act 2 would never happen. she's complex. ultimately, Galinda and Elphaba are 3 dimensional characters, it's a great contrast and shows how society responds to oppression. no offense, but the majority of the general populace is closer to Galinda then they would EVER be to Elphaba, even though they like to pretend they'd be some revolutionary in the past, while not at all being one today. We need more Elphaba's. So many people think they're more like Elphaba, meanwhile they won't even slightly inconvenience themselves to try to make actual change. 😅 They just want to work within the corrupt system to make incremental changes slowly over time and never rock the boat. The rail against actual revolutionaries, they openly call them terrorists, believing the bs propaganda brought forth by the opposition. The majority of the general populace would be joining in on No One Mourns The Wicked, rejoicing in her death and fully believing, "I hear her soul is so unclean, pure water will melt her". Look at the world we live in, most people would join in on the burning of her effigy.
So uhm, this will sound crazy, but hear me out. Before Jordan Peterson went completely off the rails, YEARS ago, he said something that I have held in me ever since: It is that essentially, we all like to think, that if we were to face a moral dilemma so heavy, we all would like to believe that we would do the right thing, but part of growing up mentally is realizing that this is simply not true. He brought up the concentration camps as an example, that everyone when they first hear about what the German soldiers did, has this gut reaction to it, and wants to distance themselves from it, thinking: "I would never do that." Peer pressure, and a threat to your life, or the lives of your family are huge factors in a decision like that. I think Glinda is not only scared of losing her precious popularity, but she is also someone who has a lot of friends, family she loves, etc. Defying the Wizard would risk all of that. Her reaction is soooo very human. We all want to think that we would be up with Elfie on the broom, but that's probably not the case. And I really love that.
The Milgram experiment you can read further on Wikipedia, person was supposed to shock someone taking a test for getting wrong answers, there was a test leader that was administering the test and of course the person being shocked was just an actor, but 65% of test subjects thought they were actually offing the person for not being able to get anything on the test right. This ties heavily into Jung, who believed the majority will follow authority and empathy is extraordinarily rare. There is also the theory that many people don't hold their own values, rely the group for values. The flip side of Jung is Edward Bernays, who is about the darkest figure of the 20th century that you never heard of.
Thank you EJ, I really enjoyed this video! Wicked is amazing and in my opinion the movie we presently need. I read the book years ago and saw the Broadway show. This story has so many layers. Part 2 will give us many twists, especially for those who are not familiar with the entire story. Happy Thanksgiving!
I’m confused. If the wizard of oz is a fraud and can’t do magic, then how was Elphaba born a witch? And green? I’m aware her mom was drinking a green elixir while she was convinced. But did the elixir contain the magic if the Wizard of Oz wasn’t magical?
Which makes it more real for her to grab on to that. She knows it can be snatched away. Self preservation is needed but when that slip into ignoring the struggles of others is when it can be bad. It’s a very complicated story for such a cute fun little story lol
I don’t think Glenda is evil. I just think that she’s an opportunist and what I realized is after reading the books and going to the stage play even watching the movie Alfie chose to still forgive her because I think she already knew what Glenda was about and I don’t need that but she kind of was happy that she finally got what she wanted and I do think Glenda regrets how she went about things also how it went with her love interest I don’t wanna spoil it
I always believe that if you align with Evil for your own benefit and gain that makes you Evil as-well.
@@Starriaaa yeah it’s touggh. Self preservation is a real thing and we need to practice that, but when does that slip into conformity
I also kind of disagree with your point on Elphaba. I think she does have an arc, that is very well shown in the lyrics of her "I want" song of The Wizard and I and then contrasting that with her lyrics in Defying Gravity.
Glinda sings: You could have all you ever wanted
and she says: I know. But I don't want it... no, I CAN'T want it any more.
But in The Wizard and I she is all about wow, how her self actually fits in, how well she could work with the Wizard, and how the Wizard can degreenify her. She used to want all those things, and her arc is realizing that whatever makes her stand out will always be there, because they are integral to who she is, and her sense of justice is triggered by what the Wizard is doing to the Animals as well. So she just says "fuck it", and decides to be the villain, if she will always clash with society anyways. And well, in part 2 this angle changes in and shifts in her again, but that's another story...
I can see that for sure
Yeah I agree Glinda is definitely a antagonist she's not evil and I like her character but I have a bad taste in my mouth that Glinda didn't stick by Elphaba and go with her for her mission to save the animals that's not a very good friend and I'm very conflicted on the Wizard what he was doing was very wrong but he didn't feel evil he just feels extremely misguided and I don't know if someone could convince The Wizard that what he was doing was terrible maybe he could be convinced to change his ways it's just I don't know The Wizard doesn't feel mustache twirling evil like Madame Morrible and i feel like The Wizard can be reasoned with unlike Madame Morrible who would just kill your ass on the spot.
So right!
My take is this: Glinda is one example of how and why people end up complicit.
I see her as someone who genuinely believes and wants to do good, and she also incredibly privileged and insulated from life. It never occurs to her that she is low key insulting those around her with her offers. It never occurs to her that it isn't actually "kind" to convince Boq to ask out Nessa. To her it's a win-win-win She doesn't have to deal with him AND he can meet someone else AND Nessa gets to go. She has emotions and CAN be intentionally cruel (the hat) but she feels guilty when she is and she tries to make up for it.
However, since she is popular and intends to be good, she assumes that others with popularity also must intend to be good. So she wants to let the Wizard explain because she believes there must actually be a good explanation. To her reputation and intention are the same thing, and she doesn't understand (yet) how intention and action differ. She wants to stay because she genuinely doesn't believe they could be causing harm on purpose. She understands Elphaba's emotions, and she knows Elphaba's mind is made up, but PART of the reason Glinda is sad is also because she thinks Elphaba is making a grave mistake.
it's actually the opposite. The Wizard IS evil, sure, he's complex too, but yes, he's a horrible person, who does obviously immoral acts. Galinda/Glinda is not inherently evil. She's working within the system. it's ultimately a story about how two different people handle oppression and why. Galinda ends up doing a lot of good, and without her, some very important good things in act 2 would never happen. she's complex.
ultimately, Galinda and Elphaba are 3 dimensional characters, it's a great contrast and shows how society responds to oppression.
no offense, but the majority of the general populace is closer to Galinda then they would EVER be to Elphaba, even though they like to pretend they'd be some revolutionary in the past, while not at all being one today. We need more Elphaba's. So many people think they're more like Elphaba, meanwhile they won't even slightly inconvenience themselves to try to make actual change. 😅 They just want to work within the corrupt system to make incremental changes slowly over time and never rock the boat. The rail against actual revolutionaries, they openly call them terrorists, believing the bs propaganda brought forth by the opposition.
The majority of the general populace would be joining in on No One Mourns The Wicked, rejoicing in her death and fully believing, "I hear her soul is so unclean, pure water will melt her". Look at the world we live in, most people would join in on the burning of her effigy.
Loved the movie! I'd love to see a similar video approach to different characters in AHS, antagonists vs. villains 😅
Oh my good idea!
So uhm, this will sound crazy, but hear me out.
Before Jordan Peterson went completely off the rails, YEARS ago, he said something that I have held in me ever since: It is that essentially, we all like to think, that if we were to face a moral dilemma so heavy, we all would like to believe that we would do the right thing, but part of growing up mentally is realizing that this is simply not true. He brought up the concentration camps as an example, that everyone when they first hear about what the German soldiers did, has this gut reaction to it, and wants to distance themselves from it, thinking: "I would never do that."
Peer pressure, and a threat to your life, or the lives of your family are huge factors in a decision like that. I think Glinda is not only scared of losing her precious popularity, but she is also someone who has a lot of friends, family she loves, etc. Defying the Wizard would risk all of that. Her reaction is soooo very human. We all want to think that we would be up with Elfie on the broom, but that's probably not the case. And I really love that.
The Milgram experiment you can read further on Wikipedia, person was supposed to shock someone taking a test for getting wrong answers, there was a test leader that was administering the test and of course the person being shocked was just an actor, but 65% of test subjects thought they were actually offing the person for not being able to get anything on the test right. This ties heavily into Jung, who believed the majority will follow authority and empathy is extraordinarily rare. There is also the theory that many people don't hold their own values, rely the group for values. The flip side of Jung is Edward Bernays, who is about the darkest figure of the 20th century that you never heard of.
"I would never do that" I learnt that during the last four years, people would in fact, do that.
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You’re welcome! So happy you watched it
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Thank you EJ, I really enjoyed this video! Wicked is amazing and in my opinion the movie we presently need. I read the book years ago and saw the Broadway show. This story has so many layers. Part 2 will give us many twists, especially for those who are not familiar with the entire story. Happy Thanksgiving!
Happy Thanksgiving! So happy you checked this out. I was worried no one would like it
I’m confused. If the wizard of oz is a fraud and can’t do magic, then how was Elphaba born a witch? And green? I’m aware her mom was drinking a green elixir while she was convinced. But did the elixir contain the magic if the Wizard of Oz wasn’t magical?
The crazy thing is that Glinda doesn’t necessarily come from privilege…she’s privileged adjacent due to other influential people in her family
Which makes it more real for her to grab on to that. She knows it can be snatched away. Self preservation is needed but when that slip into ignoring the struggles of others is when it can be bad. It’s a very complicated story for such a cute fun little story lol
I don’t think Glenda is evil. I just think that she’s an opportunist and what I realized is after reading the books and going to the stage play even watching the movie Alfie chose to still forgive her because I think she already knew what Glenda was about and I don’t need that but she kind of was happy that she finally got what she wanted and I do think Glenda regrets how she went about things also how it went with her love interest I don’t wanna spoil it
I totally see that!
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