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On this channel we like to do a lot of dogfighting most videos are some sort of dogfight between 2 different aircraft as we explore their different capabilities. From time to time I like to dabble in Virtual Reality, I think VR is a great new technology and I love to show that stuff off for the channel from time to time.
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Finally back making videos guys, I was away for some family obligations as I'm sure many of you are aware its Canadian Thanks Giving so I just wanted to say a big thank you to all of you for supporting the channel and helping to keep it plugging along. Much Love.
Hope you had a happy turkey day, I didn't get much flying in this past weekend either due to turkey day commitments. BTW, I'm an ESL canuck and German was my first language, "Pfalz" rhymes with "cults". I've forgotten most of the German that I knew, but I think I'm still pretty good at pronunciation (a hell of a lot better than I am at flying).
@justsomeguyhere Kinda. It's there so you don't have to lean over to see across one of the guns.
6:55 What about "those that burn and those that jump" GS? Not a big deal but just curious what you were going to say before your wingman distracted you! lol Thanks :)
British ace Mick Mannock is quoted as saying, “The other fellows all laugh at me for carrying a revolver. They think I’m going to shoot down a machine with it, but they’re wrong. The reason I bought it was to finish myself off at the first sign of flames.”
:(
@@michalbelko5676 WW1 war fighters (especially pilots) became very fatalistic. The longer they lived, the more friends they saw died. Eventually most came to believe it was just a matter of time until their luck ran out. Mannock’s ran out on 26th July 1918, when he was hit by flak. Mannock’s plane immediately caught fire. After the crash his body was found 250yds from the wreckage. He hadn’t shot himself and it’s believed he jumped just before it crashed.
If there’s ever been a cure for tendencies to idolise war then the WW1 battlefields, graveyards, and their soldiers’, sailors’, and airmens’ private papers and letters is definitely it.
@@sam1812seal yep...
Archelaus H man that was heartwarming (obv not that’s super sad)
Mannock was among the most decorated men in the British Armed Forces. He was honoured with the Military Cross twice, was one of the rare three-time recipients of the Distinguished Service Order, and was posthumously awarded the Victoria Cross
I remember a WWII pilot talking about how he swore he'd never burn. His aircraft took damage and some oil lines broke and started a fire in the cockpit. The canopy jammed partly open trapping him inside so he made up his mind to crash into a near by AA mount as to burn. To his amazing luck, when he rolled over and started to dive it created enough of a low pressure area that it sucked the fire from the cockpit and he was able to barely pull up buzzing the hell out of the bewildered men manning the AA mount.
Wasn’t that a movie?
The ability to put out some fires with dives is simulated in this sim. Also, if you shoot a pistol within the cockpit it can damage the player (which some pilots apparently used as a way out historically). War is not nice.
That was Robert Johnson flying a P47.
He also once took a 20mm round in the engine, and his P47 still made it home, where he found 2 cylinders blown off, the pistons hanging out in the air.
@@mickaleneduczech8373 WOW! What a legend!
@@mickaleneduczech8373 Those fuckin' P47's man- Old but tough as hell, there's more than one reason the A-10 is named after it.
GS - "You're almost lucky if the bullet hits you & kill you before you hit the ground".
French guy- As you wish!
Lol
Kinda eerie
I like at 9:00 you can sort of see going though his mind "Hey, one more kill and I am an ace in this flight"...
Next thing going through his mind - French ammunition.
Some days you're the windshield, some days you're the bug.
Some days, the you're the windshield, but the bug is made of hot lead.
Holy shit this comment took a dark turn to the end
@@prehistoricmale2345 Isn't it grand?
Now you are flying a German aircraft, that Beagle flying his doghouse will certainly be on the look out for you Growling.
if I remember said beagle always got his doghouse shot to shit and crash landed
Nice pull!!!! Well done!
Snoopy: "Curse you Red Baron! And Growling Sidewinder too!"
Biggles not beagles.
Ba. Ha ba ka
The almost German Ace, Growliung Sidewinderkreegs was killed in action today after almost becoming an Ace. The Red Barron was sadden by his lose, as he considered him the one only a few that knew how to fly a bi plane.
“WWI Pilots said cockpits were a detriment because you couldn’t smell the oil.”
WWI fights be like “oh I think he’s leaking something. Oh he’s on fire. Oh man he’s just cooking in there.”
...and it smells _godly..._
@@ShadeAKAhayate cannibal
"You almost get scared for them when their wing breaks apart"....continues to shred wings
"almost"
The damage model of the ww1 stuff is pretty sweet.
Also love it when a content creator takes suggestions from the community and makes it happen, kudos
You gotta check out rise of flight, the damage models in that sim are actually incredible, you can shoot out a wing strut and watch the fabric wing flap around
@@-Zevin- ah I didn't know that. The flight models for these biplanes do seem a little bit worse though. In rise of flight, when you crash, the plane collapses into a heap because it's still held together by wires and fabric, but in this video the planes separate into chunks that roll around rigidly
@@eliasprice7553 These biplanes (in Flying Circus) shares it's damage model with ww2 aircraft so maybe that's why
@@bannerhorde6506 certainly makes sense
@@eliasprice7553 Rise of Flight has horrible damage model, wings get huge chunks torn out and fold with just 2 or 3 hits.
They'll flesh out the high-speed crash model for this soon enough, like you said should just be a heap of wood, metal, canvas and unfortunate airmen.
"Cool" ending.
I was rooting for ya to go for more after you got killed, but that is it. The end. Immersive video for sure. It was startling to have it end so quick.
That is how it goes.
Agreed I like the snappy ending
Well, at least you made Ace in a day before your tragic death. You will get a hero's funeral. ;)
post-human iron cross candidate :)
Sadly I dont think anyone was watching to notice his achievement so he will probably just rot away in the field.
Hey GS, if you ever get the chance to go to the National Air and Space museum in Ohio, take it. There's a whole hanger of these aircraft there. Among other things, like an F-22.
I will keep that in mind, sounds like I'd have a great time there.
@@GrowlingSidewinder you could do a vlog style video
@@GrowlingSidewinder dude if you go maybe you can see the real f22 cockpit remember the f22 cockpit is classified
The National Museum of Air Force in Dayton is a great place to visit. One funny thing - they have US Air Force planes, British planes, French planes, German planes, Canadian planes, Japanese planes, Italian planes, even Soviet planes. What don't they have? US Navy planes. Can't have any of that in an Air Force place!
I was there just last week. It's a awesome museum, its almost a 2 day trip, there's so much to see. WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Cold War, Desert storm, to present day.
At 9:15 I let out in exclaim, "Oh Nooo! Growling!!!" Then watched as his lifeless body was carried downward as his plane rolled over into a death spiral. Clicked off the media room system and went to bed. No words as to how that felt. What military families have felt through the ages must have been beyond brutal. My heart goes out to them.
I thought the same thing. Horrifying
Wow, dude, you can really feel the "rawness" of this kind of aerial combat. I remember reading something about how a pilot described some others as cruel in the air. I never really understood what that meant, but I think I get a sense now for how that would play out. At these ranges, I've love to see you do at least one of these vids in VR.
There is a vid a few days ago GS did in VR which was a game changer! Look it up bud!
@@anthonieneveling6435 Yo, thanks for the heads-up. OH MAN that was good. I could tell from his head movements just how immersive it is... like, that subtle little head duck when a bullet flies right by his head.
I liked this vid.
You never know which bullet has your name on it. As a veteran, I can understand that.
"You're usually surprised by what kills you." --C.J. Cherryh, Rimrunners
Just cant imagine how these brave men did what they did.
@@nordoceltic7225 WW1 and WW2 were horrible dysgenic events, killing off the best people of their nations who would have otherwise had many children
@@nordoceltic7225 No kidding, looking it up there were so many that its estimated at 9 to 11 million military, 6 to 13 million civilian, Allies about 6 million, two million for diseases (Spanish Flu) all in all 40 million.
@@heeder777 Actually, the tally for the Spanish Flu is much, much higher than that. Worldwide, more than 50 million people died due to the Spanish Flu outbreak, which was spread by soldiers returning home from the war. It was much more devastating than the actual war.
Sets pilot on fire - “I think I did him a favour” 😆🤣 Yes with all that snow it definitely was chilly and he obviously needed some warming up!
WW1 pilots were crazy. I remember reading somewhere that the average life expectancy of a British WW1 pilot in combat missions was less than 20 hours. Yet they had people volunteering for the service as the pilots were glorified back then and in fact even now.
I'm going to visit Ole Rhinebeck Aerodrome tomorrow. This video certainly make me pause as to how precarious a WW1 pilots life may be so sobering
Absolutely LOVE your content Ive been addicted and I’ve almost watched every one of your videos!!!!
I appreciate the support man, thank you
me 2
me 2, it s like an episode that I cant wait to watch the nexrt day !
@@davidhuot2867 dude I know I literally spend every night just binging his content lol
Amen lol
Many early planes of this era didn’t have a throttle per say. They used a “blip” switch to turn the magneto on/off to control the engine. And the torque of a radial engine spinning on a static mounted crankshaft made planes like the camel very unstable, which also made them very maneuverable yet dangerous for an inexperienced pilot. Nice vid, thanks for sharing!
After this, a sort of throttle was developed for planes where they (if I remember correctly) would only use a few of the cylinders
I've done skydives on beautiful clear sunny days like that one in the vid and it's incredible being up there where the only sound is the air flowing past you, your own breathing, and your canopy occasionally fluttering. The air smells so clean too.
This is the SADEST episode of GS. 😥
That was the most immersive feeling video you've put out so far. Wow, WWI dogfighting is very close up and personal .
Yeah it happened that fast. There’s a great book by an actual WW1 pilot called “no parachute “ it’s really interesting. All of the modern aircraft started with the First World War aviation arms race. I’m really enjoying your learning curve. I also think it’s important to learn about this aviation history. These pilots were brave men and most of them died young.
It's honesty quite shocking to me just how young some of these pilots were. Werner Voss, one of Germany's top aces during the war, was only _20 years old_ when he was killed in action.
Imagine Jester in this enviroment.
LOL
Jester left the chat.
I believe to this day that the WW1 pilots had the most moxy when it came to dog fighting and knowing the possibility of their outcome. Dudes were straight pioneers and warriors!
It's the same kind of fighting spirit that was encouraged in the cavalry. Infantry soldiers (back then) had the benefit of always knowing that they would be fighting with the full support of their army. Cavalry soldiers were cut from a different cloth, as they often would be thrown into battle far away from friendly lines, on their own, and surrounded by enemies, with only their own skill, bravery, and force of arms to see them through not only to victory, but simple survival. It's no wonder that so much of that character carried on into the air corps of the Great War.
It was so painful to see the last fall. This music, dude, nooooooo *crying
Us pilots in Jasta 2 will drink to him. An ace in one sortie, a hero to the Kaiser.
Canadian Ww1 ace, William Barker, shot down 50 aircraft, and on 1 of his missions, he faught against 15 enemy planes, shooting down 4, while being severly injured by enemy fire. He was able to lamd safely and won the Victoria Cross
My God! That WW1 must've been terrifying! I'm just glad no one got hurt.
I'll wait for the day that GS is gonna become the Red Baron....
If you're gonna do more ww1 content I would highly recommend checking out rise of flight, even if only for the incredible damage models. You can shoot out a wing strut and watch the wing flap around while still attached, also planes in a crash collapse into a heap because they are still held together with wires and fabric
Isn't the IL-2 WW1 stuff essentially just a port of the Rise of Flight aircraft?
@@imageeknotanerd9897 yeah it is same devlopper
@@-Zevin- is part 2 going to be an additional payment onto the 80 bucks it already is? I recently got into rise of flight and want to get flying circus because of the more active player base.
@@-Zevin- Hey thanks for the reply, I just picked IL2 and FC for $40 and I cant wait to play it!!!!
The Pfalz D III probably had almost as good of a dive speed as the SPAD VII and slightly inferior of the SE-5a and SPAD XIII. In fact a lot of Pfalz III's was used up to the armistice for ballon busting due to that. A lot of Bavarian and Saxon staffel had them again until the end of the war as a front line single seater scout, yes there was no fighter designation that didn't come into being until the mid 1920's. Of course I do WWI re eneactment with the GWA/ Great War Association.
that upper wing obscuring the sight is giving me headache lol
From what I understand, WWI pilots weren't allowed to wear parachutes in the belief that pilots would bail out rather than fight and their commanders were having none of that.
That's the same kind of dumb reasoning that made armies hold out against repeating rifles because it would "encourage the men to waste ammunition and not take the time to properly aim".
@@Maria_Erias the first units issued repeating/breach loading rifles (Henry and Sharps) would just decimate units they faced with muzzleloaders. Their rate of fire and effecting range were massively superior. Lincoln himself was trying to get more advanced weapons on the battle field but it was his General staff that were resistant.
@@brianwright9514 Yeah. Ironically, repeating rifles (especially Sharps, if I remember right) saw service with a number of Confederate units during the beginning of the war, since Confederate soldiers were equipped by the local estate owners, town councils, etc, and so in more than a few cases that meant that soldiers got relatively state-of-the-art weaponry.
Your choice of background music is epic! Really adds to the overall feel of the video. The hope, the humanity, and ultimately the sacrifice. Very well done 👍
Besides the death at the end you're actually an awesome fighter pilot.
"That was some of the best flying I've ever seen, right up until you got killed." - Jester, Top Gun
@@barbaros99 The blazing fireball on the snowscape was still pretty cool though..
Really makes me miss playing Red Baron when I was growing up. Love the WWI stuff.
I loved that game, too! Got me fascinated with military aviation history and absolutely obsessed with Manfred von Richthofen.
I absolutely love the WW1 action. Please do more! Would you consider flying the Fokker DR1?
No parachute, plus burning in the air, plus crashing. More than Intense!
Perfect ending in the sense that sometimes it is just over...no whining...explaining...just death.
"We are sportsman, not butchers." Manfred Von Richtofen
Both times thus far you got caught by multiple enemies you couldn't keep tabs on - your flying and shooting are superb - wasn't it Richtofen who prefered the boom and zoom approach over getting into close dogfighting? He was killed when he broke his own rule.
GS : Let me check my six...woah...woah...woah...'splat'.
Never tempted Murphy.
Time for another "cold and dark" world war 1 video. Love it!
There were these two old guys, The Hodge brothers. They were WWI pilots. I remember them talking about how when they first started out it was just recon flights. They said that they would wave to each other on the way by, a little good morning amongst gentleman. Then they started throwing bricks at each other, then pot shots with pistols. Bombing runs were a grenade "fly in like you was crop dusting". . Crazy old boys they were, all the way to the end.
I enjoy your channel the most - out of all the channels I’ve found. You get straight to the action and your commentary is excellent. Especially when you explain tactics. Thanks for all your vids. I prefer the WW1 and WW2 scenarios best because it’s more about personal skill and tactics, rather than pressing a button to launch a heat seeking missile. It’s more personal.
I like that you draw attention to what these pilots suffered.
Imagine being one of these guys
Really frightening.
Almost makes me sad to see this.
I read somewhere that an RFC pilot heard rounds zipping past his head on a mission but he didn't look to see where they were coming from he just pitched into a dive instinctively
I wish I could remember who it was
Nice to see a pilot using some chivalry by not letting that one fellow burn to death. Good show bud!
Both sides had somewhat clunky parachutes through the war, the allies however refused to issue them to pilots because it was though that the pilot would be more inclined to save the plane rather than jumping at the first signs of damage... The plane was more valuable to the generals than the pilot.
I would love to see more of this WW1 fighter content. The dog fights seem a lot more personal with these aircraft.
Pfalz D III and IIIa were used in combat till the end. The Dr. designation was for triplanes such as the Fokker.
About parachutes - I read somewhere a long time ago that the early parachutes were really big and bulky stuff. Taking up as much volume as a second crew member. A parachute back then was not something you wore like a vest or something, it was a large thingy stuffed into the airframe behind the pilot, and if he was lucky he would be able to pull that thingy clear from the burning aircraft if he had to jump. So the reason the fighter pilots weren't issued parachutes for most of WW1 was mostly about the aircraft being so tiny, and the parachutes being so big and heavy. And expensive, more expensive than a fighter pilot. And it would probably motivate the pilot to keep fighting, if he didn't have a parachute. So there was really no reason to give the fighter pilots parachutes.
Love the respect you infuse into these WW1 vids. Really hits the reality of it home.
This video really made me realize how personal and brutal air combat was in WWI.
Seems like an accurate depiction of how WW1 dog fighting was like in the sense that the moment you got good and knew what you were doing is the moment you let your guard down and take a stray shot ending it all.
If you ever read "Sagittarius Rising" you'll find that Cecil Lewis, on more than one occasion, managed to land his burning aeroplane.
I've never played games like this but being interested in WWI aviation, and watching this makes me want to give this a go.
ww1 pilots were lucky to live for 2 weeks from joining the squadron
Hearing the bullets hit the other aircraft is sick
That plane on fire part really put into perspective
One reason for no parachutes was the weight penalty and loss of performance.
It wasn't only about stopping aircrews from suffering a "lack of moral fibre"
Nice! This what I love about WWI and WW2 dogfighting its personal and allot more maneuvering. Il2 box and this.
This death so captured the unexpected turn of events in a one second lapse of awareness. I never would have made it as a WWI pilot. Famous last words: "'Cause he can out dive me and out climb me. Whoa, whoa, whoa......" So can his friend.
Man those were some brutal kills
You were showing the emotional side of world war I pilots 🥲😔
The Allies may not have issued parachutes to their fighter pilots but, in the last months of the war, they did supply them with the very nasty DeWilde incendiary bullet.
Good god...Flying in the middle of winter with an open cockpit. I would immediately land behind enemy lines and give myself up.
Damn you caught that one with your face, good job. LoL. Loving the WWI stuff.
Try Flying Circus in VR!
VR is perfect for WWI flying. Makes it easier to look around your wings and struts.
The British Brass thought parachutes would have an "adverse effect on the offensive spirit".
Not only was that an exceptional flight sim experience for you, it was also one of the best ww1 flight sim videos I've seen.
Man, that KIA, you saw that coming when it was too late. Must be an uncomfortable feeling to be surprised like that.
The great irony is that the plane that kills him is the one that he was going to chase until he decided on the ‘easier’ kill directly underneath.
...and so ended the life and times of renowned Flight Officer Gerhard "Bubi" Sidewinder. Witnesses report seeing him fall late in the day after a prolonged series of engagements.
Crash scene reports indicate he was killed instantly by a marauding Allied fighter that had been stalking him. There will be a memorial service held in due course and he is being considered for a posthumous Blue Max.
"You're lucky if the bullet hits you before you hit the ground"
In the business we like to call this foreshadowing.
Can't help but wonder how many WW1 pilots' last words were something like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa whoa - "
This dogfights are so gruesome, it's so scary thinking about going defensive in one of those planes and fall into the ground...
That sir is why having tunnel vision is deadly. Always watch your 6
Keep posting these World War I vids they very interesting
In the beginning of the war, the only people issued parachutes was balloon observers. Part of the reason was due to their size. I'm not sure who developed the first fighter capable parachute. You were right to some extent that Allied High Command refused to give out parachutes for fear of their pilots abandoning their planes prematurely. I'm pretty sure that both sides had begun to deploy parachutes to their pilots near the end of the war.
I really enjoyed this video! Please do more exactly like this.
quick tip for when you slot in on someone and aren't taking snapshots: use one of your machine gun's sights to aim for centre mass. Its especially helpful when engaging bomber/spotter formations
Very entertaining, you present these very well.
Im working in the company that build the Pfalz aircraft 😁. Lovely to see some in the air.
I never really thought about how brutal ww1 dogfights were. Jesus
You may of been killed. But you became an ace in a day.👍👍
It's a dream of mine.. to someday see the "good kill!!, good kill..!!.." guy, in the intro... in one of your videos
The end of the video was pretty rough. But realistic. One second unaware and you have only the time to think "Scheiße!!!" (shit) and its over. Caught me on the wrong feet, i must admit. Shocking. It shocks me everytime when i play a WW1 flight simulation an get "killed" out of nowhere.
Remember that WW2 American that witnessed his Luftwaffe Opponent bail at ground level..... cartwheel and bounce off the ground and finally smashing into a Barn. Ug.
Lovin' the WWI and WWII action.
The ending. The music.
I’m all tears…
Another cracking video. Thank you for putting these together for those of us who can only admire your skill and professionalism. I'm still very new to flight sim and the learning curve is steep.👍
"Pfalz *D* III". "Dr" would denote a triplane.
It's quite simple, really - at least until late 1918 when the system was changed:
"E" = "Eindecker" (monoplane, like the Fokker E.III) - "eins" or "ein" meaning "one" in German
"D" = Doppeldecker (biplane, like the Pfalz D.III) - "doppel" meaning "dual" or "double"
"Dr" = Dreidecker (triplane, like the Fokker Dr.I) - "drei" meaning "three".
Thanks for the kite's in flight.
So in WW1 you’d be called Growler only! Interesting! 😄🤙cool video!
I'm really enjoying your WWI content.