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Between your winter season BFM videos and Demo Matt uploading every day until Christmas, it is bringing a bright spot to end of another rough year for us all. Thank you Growling, from the bottom of my heart, you are one of the great ones!
Fun fact that small strut mounted propeller you see every time he looks to the right is an air driven pump to pressurize the fuel tank to ensure the engine wasn't fuel starved.
Love these WW1 dogfights - thanks GS. My Great Grandfather flew a Sopwith, was shot down over the sea, and survived by clinging to the sheared wooden propeller, until the Royal Navy fished him out a couple of hours later. My family still have the propeller mounted, with a plaque, on the wall. He started out in the RNAS (pre-RAF) as an officer on the early flying boats (seaplanes)- was also shot down over sea and mentioned in dispatches for rescuing other crew members from the resultant burning fuel slick, as they were repeatedly strafed in the water by 2 or 3 Fokkers (unfortunately 2 of the crew were killed). BTW, he survived the Great War - I remember going to his memorial service in the early 80s, when I was a kid.
@@Curtislow2 Thanks mate! My other Great Grandfather was a commander in the first ever tank battle in WW1. His photos were amazing (including picnics behind the lines and skinny dipping in a canal with Belgian nurses!). There were haunting photos of burnt out tanks of his in No Mans Land, but my favourite has to be a rank of his tanks, flawlessly parked in a line on the cobbles outside the cathedral in Cologne after Armistice. There was a lot more going on in WW1 than the cliches of films. Have a great and healthy Christmas break.
@@nickharvey7233 Great stories thanks for sharing. Are those photos available to see anywhere on only in your private collection? They sound fascinating.
5:15 No, he recognized your markings as the infamous “Growling Sidewinder” and feared that you had equipped your WWI aircraft with a HUD and an Aim 9, so he shot a panic flare. A very chivalrous dogfight indeed.
I don't know how well modelled these aircraft are, but the Camel was known for its extraordinary ability to flick turn to the right, due to engine torque. A lot of new pilots died trying to make simple turns until they learnt the inherently very unstable aircraft.
I was a glider pilot in real life when I was flying in this game (rise of flight). When I bought the camel I started my first flight at 2 km altitude. I just fell down all the way to the ground, from one spin into another. It's a really crazy plane to fly.
Very gentlemanly of you to let the Jerry live! My sister in law and her husband lived with and looked after Sir Thomas Sopwith towards the end of his life in the late 80s.
Oh, wow! Just saw the legendary 1984 interview. He was proud of the Camel, but he was most proud of the Harrier! (Sopwith named the Hawker company after his chief pilot!). That is some span over a life time right there!
I fly the Camel for real (and crashed it…then rebuilt it….) and enjoy IL-2 in the winter. That was very good flying from both pilots, and enjoyed the video. I’ll try and describe some differences from the real and my limited view. I have a bunch of the nastiness designed out of mine ( it’s an Airdrome Aeroplanes replica) It has less less engine torque ( although not as much as you might think), a thicker wing and better weight layout. It has the exact same dimensions and weight, so I keep some of the structure issues. All the gauges are original except the engine. I also have smaller differences like a narrow upper wing cutout and proper cockpit combing. Comparing il-2 and reality, pitch and yaw are similar, roll isn’t close. If you want roll, the barndoors mean you’re using 2hands and you better be strong. Landing and takeoff are crazy close to reality. Turn radius and rate are very close. Turn reversals are slower because of roll rate. I also don’t fly anywhere near its limits, so loops, rolls, snap turns etc I can’t comment. Also, visibility in reality is worse on the ground. Overall the IL-2 could be used as training aid although ground handling at a modern airport is much tougher with no breaks, a skid, and a bit of gust. Good fun, keep up the great videos. IL-2 name Eteocles.
What caused the crash? Also, what is the ownership cost like on one of those? How often does it get inspected? How often do you fly it? I've been thinking of getting one (In a few years) but am unsure of whether i could really afford it or not
@@stevestrash1791 Lots to unpack. Pilot error caused accident. Wheels started to sink in soft ground and flipped. Ultralights in Canada don’t have a lot of rules, so up to you on inspections. Fly as often as the wind allows and I gain confidence. Entry price is $30-50k cdn but sky’s the limit and I’ve got a lot more than that in it. ( I ust bought an original compass for a $1,0000 that now needs refurbishment). Cost per hour is about $60. Don’t forget hangar and a trailer. You gotta love it go through it all but pull up a a flyin and it all seems worthwhile. Checkout videos on TH-cam or CISPWCamel on Instagram.
@@dequaviusvandinglusiii6168 On mine, aileron roll rate to the right is a bit faster but not much. On the original, I understand snap turns to the right are very fast and not feasible to the left. During combat, snap turns were preferred, but my flights are more leisurely, so I use the ailerons.
Excellent flying from both pilots! I especially appreciate The Doc for, 1) his acrobatics, 2) repeatedly loading and firing a flare gun while flying, and 3) landing in a field without flipping it over! And kudos to GS for the "kill" with good sportsmanship. :^ )
Great video as always! I love how you allow "Surrender" in this fight as you have in the past even with fast jets... True mark of a "Gentleman's agreement"....
Wow, the triplane is so maneuverable it can turn inside its own circle - It was really dancing! Still, when you extended, I braced for a Fox-2, and at the end, I thought you were going to land next to him and then pull out the pistol, but you were far too gentlemanly for that. I salute you, sir!
The Dr.1 is showing some cool hammer head stall attacks. Also, snap rolls as a defensive maneuver. Throw the stick all the way right while stomping on the right rudder and it will really roll fast. It’s like a spin in a horizontal direction. In the WWI era, aero engineers thought putting the center of gravity and the center of gravity at the same place was a good thing. This made the aircraft maneuverable but on the verge of departing control in pitch direction. Particularly the Camel. That made it a real handful, exhausting to fly. You couldn’t take your hands off the stick. It was described as trying to push a bicycle backwards, since that would be against the caster of the bicycle. Just a few years latter, they started to put the center of gravity ahead of the center of pressure and depend on a little down pressure from the stabilizer to hold the nose up. In modern jets, they can put the center of pressure even or ahead of the center of gravity to improve maneuverability and efficiency of turns because of fly by wire can control the instability.
@@ph2738 Sure, I understand the center of pressure as a dynamic force. Building scale RC aircraft I work with the CoG and CoL to tune the flight characteristics. I was just confused when you said, "engineers thought putting the center of gravity and the center of gravity at the same place" saying CoG twice. That is all.
@@icin4d oh, my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out. I have a history in model aircraft too. My dad maybe more than me. My dad has a memorial RC sailplane cup named for him in Spokane, WA.
The ironic thing is the gen 1, which your describe is now where gen 4++ are. Went from an era where we were understanding flight, to making them unstable with as much lift as possible to make them agile, to pistons with either as much speed or turning as possible, to first gen jet where it was about speed and interception. Gen 3 more speed and interception and understanding different wing characteristics such as delta, versus swept, and variable. To them now being so aerodynamic but yet unstable we need computers and fly by wire to because of how agile they can be. Now gen 5 stealth even more unstable platforms. Amazing how we came almost full circle.
If you want some sense of just how maneuverable and dangerous the DrI could be, research Werner Voss' last flight when flying solo, he managed to hold off (and put bullets into) several aces of 56 squadron before eventually falling to them.
He hit every single one of them. Two were "shot down", i.e. damaged so badly they had to leave the fight. There were 7 Britsh aces against one German ace. It was James McCudden who said that Voss was the bravest pilot he ever saw. Grüße aus Deutschland!
@@generalripper7528 He said in his autobiography(before he was killed himself) that Voss seemed to simply spin around firing- would that happen by just kicking the rudder hard, Growling Sidewinder?
@@TheSoundsage no, Werner Voss was a noted acrobatic pilot, he would out-maneuver you to shoot you down, as opposed to going in hard and fast for the kill. McCudden as previously mentioned wrote a memior before his death, and stated that Voss was the best he'd gone up against (I'm para-phrasing here), what's important to note is that at the time Voss was flying his DR1 it was factory fresh, I.e it hadn't been re-worked to the pilots preference A lot of the Greats had modifications done to their aircraft in the field in an attempt to give them the upper edge
Featured on Dogfights, German ace Werner Voss took on over 7 British S.E.5s in one of those Triplanes. Its maneuverability was very shocking to British ace James McCudden, especially when Voss pulled off a quick flat turn to shoot at McCudden who was diving to attack him.
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Makes me think of Ace Werner Voss's last fight, where he ended up solo in a Dr-1 versus 8 British aces in SE-5s in a swirling dogfight that lasted 8 minutes, and he managed to force two of them out of the fight.
My grandfather was in the Royal flying corp in WW1, sadly he was not a pilot , he was one of the ground crew who worked on Sopwith pups and camels , in his civilian life he was a cabinet maker and a skilled craftsman who did lots of work in churchs replacing and repairing the religious carvings in the churches , when he died in the early 1970s my late father and i were clearing out his barn and we found a complete top wing from a sopwith camel , struts and lots of the metal brackets that the bracing wires for the wings were attached to , at the time my father did not think any one would want them so he broke the wing up and took the lot to the local rubbish tip.
Lordy, what a spectacle! I can see now that they didn't call WW1 Aerial combat 'The Flying Circus'! Love the VR view too, feels extremely natural with how you track the target while independently maneuvering the aircraft.
@@burtpanzer Thé German squadrons were called flying circuses because they would travel to whatever area needed local air superiority and set up shop in tents - like the circus. This was due to the Germans being outnumbered all the time.
He's snap rolling it. Leads to super fast roll rate. Pull up hard, full rudder, the plane stalls, and snap drops a wing. It's the entry to a spin, but you recover before the spin. Did it in Cessna 152 on training area in my training. Awesome.
I love the wwI videos. Reminds me of playing wings of Glory. If someone might have heard of it;)... 27 years ago. Unbelievable how much the graphics advanced. Thanks for your videos!
In my opinion it’s because it feels more like watching sports. Instead of just impersonal turn and turn and turn and fox 3 or bvr it’s watching a gentleman’s duel
Spent years playing flight sims. Purchased an Oculus last year. Using it took Il2 to a new level, like having your first HD Tv. Recently started playing the WW1 aircraft. They are awesome. Another step towards reality. All you need to complete the experience, is to have a fan blow in your face full blast, whilst someone throws Castor oil at you. Then punches you when you get hit.
Yes at the time, pilots observed a type of chivalry. Often referred to as Knights of the Air. The DR1 although a tri plane. The airfoil between the wings created a fourth wing helping with lift and maneuverability. WW1 German ace Bolke. Created the rules for dog fighting called the Dicta Bolke. Which is still today the base line for dog fighting. Love your videos. Keep flying and fighting.
You know what would be an amazing addition is proximity VoIP similar to SQUAD so you can shout at each other as you're turning around each other like "take that!" or "well fought!" Just a random thought.
Bro had an out of body futuristic expirience as his great grandson flying a flanker with you trying to get tone on them sidewinders so he shot a panic flare :D
The Dr. 1, though an excellent aircraft, did have build quality issues and more then one German pilot died when wing failure caused to it disintegrated in mid air. The Fokker Dr. 1 was inspired by Sopworth's Triplane. The Camels predecessor.
I have a hard time believing any plane from that era could structurally handle these repeated loops and stalls and transitions from positive to negative G...
@@n.w.1803 Sorry I took awhile to catch up. I did a little bit more searching and discovered that the wing failure was due the poor quality of the construction by Fokker. Not only was there a problem with the construction of the aircraft but some parts were open to the elements which caused more problems with joints. It looks to me like Fokker or some within the company, were trying to get them built as quickly as possible and corners were cut. Possibly there was also pressure from the German airforce to get them to the front lines as soon as possible as well. The fact that the problems were with the attachment of the top wing and it was taking the most stress from G force just made things worse.
The knights of the sky. Wielding weapons that let you soar the skies, you fight to kill each other. But their weapons are faulty, they will fail them. As such, when the weapon dies before the knight, their opponent is to spare them. Without so much as a word needed to make that happen. Admirable.
Always been fascinated by your WW1 Videos, you should make another DR.1 video where you fly it, we’ve only seen one video where you’ve flown it so it would be nice to see again!
for those who might not know the DR1 was godlike at turning right, but turning left had a little bit of stabilisation issues, thats why u see it move then way that it does with a lot of verticle movements, the reason for this is my the rotary engine actually rotates to the right
"I'm working on that... I'm working on that....", I'm sure all of us that have gotten into a touch of trouble that close to the ground flying the fabulously finicky Camel has uttered those very words... I know I have.... and sometimes they were the last words of that flight.
Out of interest what rudders do you use? I can't seem to get mine working although they are fine in both the original Rise of Flight and DCS. Apparently 1 in 4 pilots crashed the Camel on their first flight due to the immense torque of the rotary engine and my favourite quote on why the Camel was so feared in a dogfight was because 'no-one every knew what it would do next. Including the pilot!' If you haven't already read them I'd highly recommend the trilogy of books on Great War aviation by Peter Hart, also on the IWM website there are some great first hand accounts recorded in the 60s and 70s
I really like these VR WW1 dogfights, it turns out. Your own DR1 fights were really fun, and it did seem this time that you were rating him and not letting him use the vertical to drag you into the one-circle, so modern learning is applicable to these fights. Maybe use it more purposely for these dogfights and test the efficacy of modern energy fighting concepts in WW1 crates? After all, Boelcke's Dicta still apply and they were the genesis of the modern tactics.
I read somewhere that the Camel was so dominated by the gyroscopic effect of its rotary engine which spun to the right that it was quicker to do a 270 degree turn to the left than a 90 degree turn to the right
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Big thank you to The Doc for flying the Dr.1 for us, I'm loving the World War 1 dogfights and the "gentlemen-like" nature of them. Hope you guys enjoyed and thank you for watching.
great vid i always love when the opponent surrenders/leaves to land or eject
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Between your winter season BFM videos and Demo Matt uploading every day until Christmas, it is bringing a bright spot to end of another rough year for us all. Thank you Growling, from the bottom of my heart, you are one of the great ones!
Jut fantastic, great flying by Doc. Thank You
More of this please.
F22 vs j20 BVR
Fun fact that small strut mounted propeller you see every time he looks to the right is an air driven pump to pressurize the fuel tank to ensure the engine wasn't fuel starved.
So I assume they had to prime the engine real good.
That's interesting.
And then comes the Spit mk.1 and derps out in negative G
That's actually really cool! I always thought it was a speedometer of sorts!
Thanks for this, I’ve always wondered why they were there
Love these WW1 dogfights - thanks GS. My Great Grandfather flew a Sopwith, was shot down over the sea, and survived by clinging to the sheared wooden propeller, until the Royal Navy fished him out a couple of hours later. My family still have the propeller mounted, with a plaque, on the wall. He started out in the RNAS (pre-RAF) as an officer on the early flying boats (seaplanes)- was also shot down over sea and mentioned in dispatches for rescuing other crew members from the resultant burning fuel slick, as they were repeatedly strafed in the water by 2 or 3 Fokkers (unfortunately 2 of the crew were killed). BTW, he survived the Great War - I remember going to his memorial service in the early 80s, when I was a kid.
Great share!
@@Curtislow2 Thanks mate! My other Great Grandfather was a commander in the first ever tank battle in WW1. His photos were amazing (including picnics behind the lines and skinny dipping in a canal with Belgian nurses!). There were haunting photos of burnt out tanks of his in No Mans Land, but my favourite has to be a rank of his tanks, flawlessly parked in a line on the cobbles outside the cathedral in Cologne after Armistice. There was a lot more going on in WW1 than the cliches of films. Have a great and healthy Christmas break.
That’s pretty epic.
Dude that's very cool
@@nickharvey7233 Great stories thanks for sharing. Are those photos available to see anywhere on only in your private collection? They sound fascinating.
These WWI fights are so compelling. It’s like watching armed kites trying to kill each other!
I agree... Great screen name BTW.
Did I see a vapor trail coming off of a wing tip during a turn? What next? vapor trails coming off of the wings while pulling Gs?
5:15 No, he recognized your markings as the infamous “Growling Sidewinder” and feared that you had equipped your WWI aircraft with a HUD and an Aim 9, so he shot a panic flare. A very chivalrous dogfight indeed.
I don't know how well modelled these aircraft are, but the Camel was known for its extraordinary ability to flick turn to the right, due to engine torque. A lot of new pilots died trying to make simple turns until they learnt the inherently very unstable aircraft.
I was a glider pilot in real life when I was flying in this game (rise of flight). When I bought the camel I started my first flight at 2 km altitude. I just fell down all the way to the ground, from one spin into another. It's a really crazy plane to fly.
that’s right, it’s due to the rotary engine
It was faster to turn 270 degrees to the right then it was 90 to the left.
Yes, that weakness should apply equally to both the Fokker and the Camel.
Centrifugal forces off the charts
Very gentlemanly of you to let the Jerry live!
My sister in law and her husband lived with and looked after Sir Thomas Sopwith towards the end of his life in the late 80s.
That is one hell of a story Stu.
Oh, wow! Just saw the legendary 1984 interview. He was proud of the Camel, but he was most proud of the Harrier! (Sopwith named the Hawker company after his chief pilot!). That is some span over a life time right there!
I fly the Camel for real (and crashed it…then rebuilt it….) and enjoy IL-2 in the winter. That was very good flying from both pilots, and enjoyed the video. I’ll try and describe some differences from the real and my limited view. I have a bunch of the nastiness designed out of mine ( it’s an Airdrome Aeroplanes replica) It has less less engine torque ( although not as much as you might think), a thicker wing and better weight layout. It has the exact same dimensions and weight, so I keep some of the structure issues. All the gauges are original except the engine. I also have smaller differences like a narrow upper wing cutout and proper cockpit combing. Comparing il-2 and reality, pitch and yaw are similar, roll isn’t close. If you want roll, the barndoors mean you’re using 2hands and you better be strong. Landing and takeoff are crazy close to reality. Turn radius and rate are very close. Turn reversals are slower because of roll rate. I also don’t fly anywhere near its limits, so loops, rolls, snap turns etc I can’t comment. Also, visibility in reality is worse on the ground. Overall the IL-2 could be used as training aid although ground handling at a modern airport is much tougher with no breaks, a skid, and a bit of gust. Good fun, keep up the great videos. IL-2 name Eteocles.
What caused the crash?
Also, what is the ownership cost like on one of those? How often does it get inspected? How often do you fly it?
I've been thinking of getting one (In a few years) but am unsure of whether i could really afford it or not
@@stevestrash1791 Lots to unpack. Pilot error caused accident. Wheels started to sink in soft ground and flipped. Ultralights in Canada don’t have a lot of rules, so up to you on inspections. Fly as often as the wind allows and I gain confidence. Entry price is $30-50k cdn but sky’s the limit and I’ve got a lot more than that in it. ( I ust bought an original compass for a $1,0000 that now needs refurbishment). Cost per hour is about $60. Don’t forget hangar and a trailer. You gotta love it go through it all but pull up a a flyin and it all seems worthwhile. Checkout videos on TH-cam or CISPWCamel on Instagram.
Compass $1,000
Quick question: didnt the camel prefer right turns as well?
@@dequaviusvandinglusiii6168 On mine, aileron roll rate to the right is a bit faster but not much. On the original, I understand snap turns to the right are very fast and not feasible to the left. During combat, snap turns were preferred, but my flights are more leisurely, so I use the ailerons.
Who was flying the DR.1??? that was absolutely crazy airmanship!
Wholeheartedly agree. Great fight from both.
The Doc. Go to 0:29 and look in the top left corner of the video.
@@lazuvt9456 Thank you! I missed that
@@paulwalker6635 I gotchu bro. Also, if you're driving a Porsche, please don't go fast.
@@lazuvt9456 Most Paul Walkers like to go fast man, it is a trait of carrying the name :p
Ah, back to WWI and the era of "WHAT SORCERY IS THIS?!" dogfighting.
that's some tight belkan bullshit
Excellent flying from both pilots! I especially appreciate The Doc for, 1) his acrobatics, 2) repeatedly loading and firing a flare gun while flying, and 3) landing in a field without flipping it over! And kudos to GS for the "kill" with good sportsmanship. :^ )
Great video as always! I love how you allow "Surrender" in this fight as you have in the past even with fast jets... True mark of a "Gentleman's agreement"....
The WW1 dogfights are an order of magnitude more compelling than the (generally pre-determined) modern jet dogfights.
Wow, the triplane is so maneuverable it can turn inside its own circle - It was really dancing! Still, when you extended, I braced for a Fox-2, and at the end, I thought you were going to land next to him and then pull out the pistol, but you were far too gentlemanly for that. I salute you, sir!
i love taking pot shots with the pistols in this game lol
At least drop some rations, a flask of scotch and some Joe Camels.HaHa
Fly ground level across his nose and see if he shoots from the ground.
The Dr.1 is showing some cool hammer head stall attacks. Also, snap rolls as a defensive maneuver. Throw the stick all the way right while stomping on the right rudder and it will really roll fast. It’s like a spin in a horizontal direction.
In the WWI era, aero engineers thought putting the center of gravity and the center of gravity at the same place was a good thing. This made the aircraft maneuverable but on the verge of departing control in pitch direction. Particularly the Camel. That made it a real handful, exhausting to fly. You couldn’t take your hands off the stick. It was described as trying to push a bicycle backwards, since that would be against the caster of the bicycle. Just a few years latter, they started to put the center of gravity ahead of the center of pressure and depend on a little down pressure from the stabilizer to hold the nose up. In modern jets, they can put the center of pressure even or ahead of the center of gravity to improve maneuverability and efficiency of turns because of fly by wire can control the instability.
"center of gravity and the center of lift"
@@icin4d I say center of pressure because that includes the yaw axis. I’ve heard it called “catastrophic aerodynamics”.
@@ph2738 Sure, I understand the center of pressure as a dynamic force. Building scale RC aircraft I work with the CoG and CoL to tune the flight characteristics. I was just confused when you said, "engineers thought putting the center of gravity and the center of gravity at the same place" saying CoG twice. That is all.
@@icin4d oh, my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out. I have a history in model aircraft too. My dad maybe more than me. My dad has a memorial RC sailplane cup named for him in Spokane, WA.
The ironic thing is the gen 1, which your describe is now where gen 4++ are.
Went from an era where we were understanding flight, to making them unstable with as much lift as possible to make them agile, to pistons with either as much speed or turning as possible, to first gen jet where it was about speed and interception. Gen 3 more speed and interception and understanding different wing characteristics such as delta, versus swept, and variable.
To them now being so aerodynamic but yet unstable we need computers and fly by wire to because of how agile they can be. Now gen 5 stealth even more unstable platforms. Amazing how we came almost full circle.
If you want some sense of just how maneuverable and dangerous the DrI could be, research Werner Voss' last flight when flying solo, he managed to hold off (and put bullets into) several aces of 56 squadron before eventually falling to them.
He hit every single one of them. Two were "shot down", i.e. damaged so badly they had to leave the fight. There were 7 Britsh aces against one German ace. It was James McCudden who said that Voss was the bravest pilot he ever saw. Grüße aus Deutschland!
One of the pilots from that battle said “if only we could have brought him down alive.” Total respect to that ace of aces.
You can see a cgi re-enactment of tha battle on the tv series "Dogfights".
@@generalripper7528 He said in his autobiography(before he was killed himself) that Voss seemed to simply spin around firing- would that happen by just kicking the rudder hard, Growling Sidewinder?
@@TheSoundsage no, Werner Voss was a noted acrobatic pilot, he would out-maneuver you to shoot you down, as opposed to going in hard and fast for the kill.
McCudden as previously mentioned wrote a memior before his death, and stated that Voss was the best he'd gone up against (I'm para-phrasing here), what's important to note is that at the time Voss was flying his DR1 it was factory fresh, I.e it hadn't been re-worked to the pilots preference
A lot of the Greats had modifications done to their aircraft in the field in an attempt to give them the upper edge
Featured on Dogfights, German ace Werner Voss took on over 7 British S.E.5s in one of those Triplanes. Its maneuverability was very shocking to British ace James McCudden, especially when Voss pulled off a quick flat turn to shoot at McCudden who was diving to attack him.
I gotta say, your channel is one of my favorites. I'm loving the WWI content too.
Thanks brother, much love.
"We're sportsmens, not butchers"
Ok, you deserve my like
The most wholesome fight on this channel, just two kites flying alongside each other while no one gets hurt
Doc's flying was a treat to watch. Amazing
Absolutely your best video yet! 1 v 1 in WW1 was outstanding. Great content!
I absolutely LOVE these WW1 duels. Love your Warbird stuff, too.
That was some insane flying by the doc! I flinched and winced every time he would flip that nose around at you LOL
The level of Gentlemanliness in this dual was so high I'd be expecting both pilots to have strap-on top hats
That was actually a pretty decent fight and fair ending.. Greatly done!
That DR1 is something. Amazing plane. Great flying by GS to keep it in front majority of the flight. Plus great sportsmanship 👍🏽
Dude, so awesome! I absolutely love this! Ww1 pilots were truly on a whole different level!
It’s insane when you look off to the side and see literal cable moving the aileron lol
I'm 60 and don't do video games. Nevertheless I enjoy your channel very much. Great narration excellent viewing experience.
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Makes me think of Ace Werner Voss's last fight, where he ended up solo in a Dr-1 versus 8 British aces in SE-5s in a swirling dogfight that lasted 8 minutes, and he managed to force two of them out of the fight.
My grandfather was in the Royal flying corp in WW1, sadly he was not a pilot , he was one of the ground crew who worked on Sopwith pups and camels , in his civilian life he was a cabinet maker and a skilled craftsman who did lots of work in churchs replacing and repairing the religious carvings in the churches , when he died in the early 1970s my late father and i were clearing out his barn and we found a complete top wing from a sopwith camel , struts and lots of the metal brackets that the bracing wires for the wings were attached to , at the time my father did not think any one would want them so he broke the wing up and took the lot to the local rubbish tip.
I love those fights, makes you really feel the pioneer spirit
@6:41 - what's the little propeller there on the strut do?
Measures air speed, I think.
@@thomashiggins9320 - Oh, that makes a lot more sense than my idea about an early air conditioning unit. lol
these ww1 dogfights blow me away, must be amazing to play in VR. those old planes look so fun to zip about in
Lordy, what a spectacle! I can see now that they didn't call WW1 Aerial combat 'The Flying Circus'! Love the VR view too, feels extremely natural with how you track the target while independently maneuvering the aircraft.
Only Richthofen's squadron was called the Flying Circus due to their crazy and bold paint jobs rather than using camouflage.
@@burtpanzer Thé German squadrons were called flying circuses because they would travel to whatever area needed local air superiority and set up shop in tents - like the circus. This was due to the Germans being outnumbered all the time.
@@killersalmon4359 The entire Luftwaffe? It had nothing to do with paint schemes? I don't think so...
Outstanding.... Love the "Kite Fights" GS
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He's snap rolling it. Leads to super fast roll rate. Pull up hard, full rudder, the plane stalls, and snap drops a wing. It's the entry to a spin, but you recover before the spin. Did it in Cessna 152 on training area in my training. Awesome.
I would never have the balls to do that. Must be like a roller coaster.
That was pretty amazing, probably my new favorite video from your channel to date. Who was flying the Fokker? Mad skills...
i love these ww1 vids, its pretty crazy seeing bfm taken to such extremes, these planes almost turn on the spot lol
More of these please, they're great
I love the wwI videos. Reminds me of playing wings of Glory. If someone might have heard of it;)... 27 years ago. Unbelievable how much the graphics advanced.
Thanks for your videos!
Im digging the Dr.1s paint pattern! This was a really cool vid GS. I hope to see more of these.
I prefer watching these bi/tri plane dogfights for some reason!
me too :)
In my opinion it’s because it feels more like watching sports. Instead of just impersonal turn and turn and turn and fox 3 or bvr it’s watching a gentleman’s duel
Snoopy would be proud of you! Lots of fun watching the WWI videos as well.
Some really nice flying there, great video.
WWI dogfights are so personal and primal. Hope so see many more.
That was INTENSE!!! and kinda beautiful. Thanks for posting.
An excellent demonstration of how dangerous these aircraft can be in the hands of competent pilots.
Spent years playing flight sims. Purchased an Oculus last year. Using it took Il2 to a new level, like having your first HD Tv. Recently started playing the WW1 aircraft. They are awesome. Another step towards reality. All you need to complete the experience, is to have a fan blow in your face full blast, whilst someone throws Castor oil at you. Then punches you when you get hit.
This was amazing! I need more of this in my life!
I agree- is it possible to view the dogfight from a third-person's view, to appreciate the maneuvering more?
"Climbs like a monkey and flies like the devil!"
- Manfred von Richthofen about the Fokker Dr.1
That was a lot of fun! Liked how you made a pass over as he landed.
Yes at the time, pilots observed a type of chivalry. Often referred to as Knights of the Air. The DR1 although a tri plane. The airfoil between the wings created a fourth wing helping with lift and maneuverability. WW1 German ace Bolke. Created the rules for dog fighting called the Dicta Bolke. Which is still today the base line for dog fighting. Love your videos. Keep flying and fighting.
I've never seen something so maneuverable. What always amazed me about these pioneer pilots was that they had no parachute.
the germans had :) but the others thought it was better for motivation if you dont have one so you try harder
We are sportsmen not butchers. That sums up the Great War in the air
"Psyche!" - Luftstreitkraffte, April 1917 probably
The Fokker Dr.1 is literally Su-35 of WW1 😱
Most respectful dogfight I have ever seen!
Good fight GS !
Fly high !
You know what would be an amazing addition is proximity VoIP similar to SQUAD so you can shout at each other as you're turning around each other like "take that!" or "well fought!"
Just a random thought.
Bro had an out of body futuristic expirience as his great grandson flying a flanker with you trying to get tone on them sidewinders so he shot a panic flare :D
Don't mess up with Fokker if you're not a good pilot
It will Fock you out
Awesome video... this needs a round 2 fight
Absolutely awesome as always!
I didn't intend to use all words starting with "a" hahaha
WW1 content is my favorite content
man those are some crazy angles, awesome fight man
I was half expecting battle between a flying doghouse and the bloody red baron over no-mans land.
Come on Snoopy!
I have always loved the DR1 Triplane. The iconic machine of the Red Baron. Such a cool fighter aircraft.
The Dr. 1, though an excellent aircraft, did have build quality issues and more then one German pilot died when wing failure caused to it disintegrated in mid air. The Fokker Dr. 1 was inspired by Sopworth's Triplane. The Camels predecessor.
I have a hard time believing any plane from that era could structurally handle these repeated loops and stalls and transitions from positive to negative G...
@@n.w.1803 they were flying so slow, the G’s weren’t that intense, that’s why they were able to do it so well. Light plane + low speed = low G’s.
@@Cybetrexs Well mass shouldn't alter the G forces in any way but it sure does affect the wing loading which is probably what you meant.
@@Tacticaviator7 yes, thank you for correcting me.
@@n.w.1803 Sorry I took awhile to catch up. I did a little bit more searching and discovered that the wing failure was due the poor quality of the construction by Fokker. Not only was there a problem with the construction of the aircraft but some parts were open to the elements which caused more problems with joints. It looks to me like Fokker or some within the company, were trying to get them built as quickly as possible and corners were cut. Possibly there was also pressure from the German airforce to get them to the front lines as soon as possible as well.
The fact that the problems were with the attachment of the top wing and it was taking the most stress from G force just made things worse.
The knights of the sky.
Wielding weapons that let you soar the skies, you fight to kill each other.
But their weapons are faulty, they will fail them.
As such, when the weapon dies before the knight, their opponent is to spare them.
Without so much as a word needed to make that happen.
Admirable.
A kite fighting a stunt kite.
The DR-1 is a slug but it’s a slug that can dance.
Gotta love the WW1 engagements.
Amazing video!
Ever played WW2 online? The flight sim in that game has always been top notch, Highly underrated game in general.
He did played and showed ww2 online content in DCS but unsure about Il-2
Always been fascinated by your WW1 Videos, you should make another DR.1 video where you fly it, we’ve only seen one video where you’ve flown it so it would be nice to see again!
Cool... Need to see more of these
for those who might not know the DR1 was godlike at turning right, but turning left had a little bit of stabilisation issues, thats why u see it move then way that it does with a lot of verticle movements, the reason for this is my the rotary engine actually rotates to the right
and the reason for the verticality as well is bc the 3rd wing on top generates a fuckton of lift
I just tried this in vr today, I was flying the dr1, but it was amazing can't wait to fly some more
Can you show us your settings for VR in IL-2? I always find it, mainly other planes, to be quite blurry, even with everything set on high settings
That flare shot was the equivalent of an AIM 9.
Nice to see you giving old Gerry a bit of what for
F-22: Check out my thrust vector BS!
Dr.1: Get on my level.
Dr 1. with 3.5 wings. That part on the wheels act as a small wing too.
That was friggin making me dizzy. Chivalry, too!
What is the small prop to the side of the cockpit for?
I believe its a fuel pump
That tri plane maneuverability is nuts!
"I'm working on that... I'm working on that....", I'm sure all of us that have gotten into a touch of trouble that close to the ground flying the fabulously finicky Camel has uttered those very words... I know I have.... and sometimes they were the last words of that flight.
Out of interest what rudders do you use? I can't seem to get mine working although they are fine in both the original Rise of Flight and DCS.
Apparently 1 in 4 pilots crashed the Camel on their first flight due to the immense torque of the rotary engine and my favourite quote on why the Camel was so feared in a dogfight was because 'no-one every knew what it would do next. Including the pilot!' If you haven't already read them I'd highly recommend the trilogy of books on Great War aviation by Peter Hart, also on the IWM website there are some great first hand accounts recorded in the 60s and 70s
Read his video description where he lists his hardware
Does anybody remember playing Red Baron in the early 90's? One of my favorite flight games.
We saving the disrespect for the modern day fighter lol. Hope to see more of WWI Dogfights!
If only every fight could end that way. Very cool.
Do a pilot avatar of Werner Voss and Ernst Udet. Your WW1 videos are amazingly fun to watch. Killer stuff!
Lovely. VR + ww1 = great viewing. Ty. 😊
Best vid jet. Thx Mr Growling
I appreciate the sportsmanship ✈
Take your eyes off a Dr1 for a second and it goes from flying away from you, to coming at you guns blazing.
That was merge almost end up into a mid air collision
I know! I was kinda spacing out & it actually made me flinch, lol..
I really wish you’d do more of the WWI and WWII planes!! I love the oldies 😁
This was actually awesome.
Wow.....that's a triplane with UFO capabilities right there.....😮
I really like these VR WW1 dogfights, it turns out. Your own DR1 fights were really fun, and it did seem this time that you were rating him and not letting him use the vertical to drag you into the one-circle, so modern learning is applicable to these fights. Maybe use it more purposely for these dogfights and test the efficacy of modern energy fighting concepts in WW1 crates? After all, Boelcke's Dicta still apply and they were the genesis of the modern tactics.
I read somewhere that the Camel was so dominated by the gyroscopic effect of its rotary engine which spun to the right that it was quicker to do a 270 degree turn to the left than a 90 degree turn to the right
That would be amazing with a top-of-the-line VR setup.