A Deeper Dive into the New Rolling Technique in NES Tetris (with Tips from Rob Scallon!)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 พ.ค. 2021
- A follow-up video about the new Rolling Technique in NES Tetris.
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(Check the pinned messages in the #rolling-realm channel for a collection of videos and tutorials.)
Goofyfoot Controllers from TotalRadNES: www.totalradnes.com/goofy-foo...
Cheez's channel with many incredible world records: / @cheeztetris
Rob Scallon's original video: • how to press buttons R...
Hector Fly's 2 finger grip tutorial: • 24Hz+ on NES D-Pad w/C...
2nd ever maxout with rolling by doge: • 2nd ever maxout with r...
3rd ever maxout with rolling by ruins: • A14820 Rolling
My Discord: / discord
My Twitch: / agamescout - เกม
Originally filmed this 2 weeks ago, a few days after Rob Scallon's response went up...and then, over the past 2 weeks, a lot of people have started to get good at rolling very quickly! A lot of additional stuff got added. Be sure to check out the links in the description for some of the significant rolling-related videos in the community. If you want to learn rolling, check out the pinned messages in the #rolling-realm channel on the Classic Tetris Monthly discord server for a collection of a bunch of how-to vids and tutorials, and don't be afraid to ask questions! Direct link to the channel: discord.gg/2DBQhmuwbP
yay
albeit very unpopular, some clone hero players roll their fingers on the strumbar to rake strum th-cam.com/video/fp-jZSag6nQ/w-d-xo.html
the link to the discord is invalid... did it expire? I want in! I was super interested in the first video and have been thinking about how to improve on the technique myself.
It hurts me physically watching you “rolling” when you’re doing a tapping motion.
@@TheBlueArcher Hi, just updated the link!
NES players then: they see me hypertapping
NES players now: they see me rollin
they hatin'
Tryin' to catch me stackin' dirty
@@keyboardtalk nice internal rhymes
Unfortunately, I only know the Weird Al lyrics...
What never changed:
DAS players: We hatin...
I developed my rolling speed on bass before Track and Field existed.
when's your tetris WR comin?
@@Coffeemancer Man...I haven't done Tetris since I got smoked at NWC 1990 at Universal Studios.
@@FlyHec i believe in you
You must have been a god in the late 80s.
i always wondered if i could translate thumb down, thumb up, pluck, pluck to the nes controller
My only regret about all this is that Chez didn't keep it a secret, busted Rolling out during the Tetris World Championship, and then play with a pair of sunglasses on as people gawk in awe and horror at him sweeping the field.
Haha 😂
No matter what's his placement this year, he's the one to watch.
It is for the best that he didn't, a behemoth is the worst in any type of competition
everyone already thought it was insane that he made top 8, dude was a #37 seed. dude is showing it wasn't a fluke.
@@lauchattp.8699 it's funny though
Rob Scallon giving legit NES Tetris advice through his bass guitar skills, I have now seen it all
NES commentators then: He do be hypertapping
NEW comentators now: *He do be rollin*
Tryin' to catch me stackin' dirty
Tryin to catch me ridin dirty
This is so surreal to me. Rob's vid with Jonas is how I found out about ctwc and now it's changing how the game is played
That video didn't change anything the discovery of rolling was completely independent of that.
@@--..__ idk. I think your comment is false
@@--..__ it could’ve if chez saw that first. He most likely did too
As an old man who has been playing DAS Tetris for years, I tried rolling after your last video came out. I was terrible at it but I can see the potential of it. After several months/years of practice, it might be a viable alternative for me to finally get a max out
Hello good sir i really appreciate your enthusiasm for video games unlike other people of your age keep practicing!!!
Pure class leaving in Rob's RIP for Jonas at the end.
This channel has quickly become my favorite on TH-cam.
Thanks for all your hard work aGameScout.
w0rd, here be good vibes.
Man, CTWC is gonna be something else this year. We're gonna need to rename the killscreen to 'second transition' soon!
Truer words..
These last two rolling videos have SO many layers. Past, present, future. Jonas from the grave STILL making an impact, Rob Scallon and his infinite brilliance, Chez showing off his versatility and drive to constantly learn more about this 30 year old game, and Scout's giddy enthusiasm to uncover new nuggets for the community. What a time to be a player and a fan!
No disrespect, Jonas would've been a monster with rolling as he arguably has the best stacking ability even today and definitely among the old gens, at least top 5.
i think dog has the best stacking
"Practice Tetris with a metronome" isn´t something i ever expected Rob to say.
Rob really knows how to bring in some fun to Tetris.
This new clicking method is basically like finding a shortcut in speedrunning that is very optimized
Yooooooo I'm in another scout video 😲
rick astley's favorite technique
yepbear
oh no he's right
This comment is giving me “before thumbnail preview” vibes.
I thought it was a joke at 0:09 when it said 1.2M views but it’s legitimately blown up wtf it’s got more views than the world championships 2021😂
People care about Tetris more than we thought!
World championship 2021 has 0 views though 🙃
@@DanVWeller statement still valid 😂
TH-cam recommends the weirdest stuff, granted it's not completely outside my realm as I do watch vids about new things in old games or retrospectives of the glitches and other stuff that changed gaming (like combos being a glitch in SF2 yeah it's old news but it's always interesting hearing about it from a new input)
I love how even 30 years after the game was released people are still discovering new and exciting ways to play. I look forward to seeing where the next 30 years takes us!
Just a quick thought: those missing vieo responses from the good old YT days are actually what made TikTok such a big success :D
But tik tok when full blown cringe then bleed into TH-cam like a flood and kinda ruined TH-cam
@@MajorWagz418 Depends on what you watch and where algorithms leave you. My tiktok is full of scientists, human rights advocates etc.
@@zardzewialy i mean most the content is animal abuse and really cringy over used dances and music
@@MajorWagz418 I guess I'm not getting this content because I somehow got put into a different category or whatever? It all depends on your past activity and what the TikTok bots decide You're interested in.
@@MajorWagz418 use the search and hash tag to change your fyp.
I wish to see Jonas’ reaction on the rolling method... I truly do.
Hope he’s doing well in the other world.
4:20
me, with tiny hands: "I don’t know where I’m going on this path. I don’t know what I’m doing with my life."
Nice time stamp
420 oh yeah
Nice
I just bought an NES and Tetris yesterday due in part to your videos. Thank you for inspiring me.
That's awesome! Be sure to join the Classic Tetris Monthly discord server if you have any questions or want to start participating in competitions
What a Chad
@@aGameScout
Just joined. Thanks again.
I'm only just starting out. Played tetris for years on the computer, but I never even owned an NES. Hopefully in the future I can participate in some competitions. We'll see how good I can get. 🤞
@@dkomo2 update?
@@touruuu2752
After almost a month of playing Tetris, I've been able to get a PB of 128K on level 9, and about 110K on level 12. I've also been able to consistently get above 60K every game on level 12, which isn't a lot, but I feel I'm making progress. I've tried level 15, but it's still a bit too fast for me.
I've been grinding rolling and watching abunch, its been a big help post ks so I've finally gotten a 800k ✌
nice! Do you have any vids?
@@aGameScout not at the moment since I don't have a capture card but I plan to stream and play the game soon especially once I can get a way to practice 29 play 😊
Hey it’s me in that video 1:20
I love the NES Tetris community and you are a really big part of that! Love the videos!
Hopefully this blows up like the last video! A great update on rolling this is, Scout.
I wouldn't consider rolling to be the equivalent to butterfly clicking in Minecraft. I think a more ample comparison is drag clicking, where a person is able to create an immense amount of friction with the mouse to make one click motion turn into many clicks. It's similar with rolling since here, it's essentially one rolling motion that generates at most 5 taps in incredibly quick succession. Oh yeah, and both are game breaking lol
I don't know how I came across this specific video but that's a heartwarming community, everyone coming together and showing their own technique, very neat
these videos make me feel so excited to see what people think of next and the improvements that can be made on this
making the controller flipped isn't impossible for the people who wants to use goofyfoot grip. Personally it didn't take much time for me to learn the grip so it probably is to other people as well :)
good to know!
There's actually a similar technique in cubing called "finger trick" where if you want to do two or more turnes on the cube, you can roll your two fingers to get faster turnes.
Great video by the way!!!😁❤
Inaccurate in every conceivable way.
Oh dang, I never saw the response vid, that's awesome! And also very awesome to see the community come together on that
I'm new to watching the nes tetris stuff but I've been a fan of robs for years and didn't expect to see him. So awesome to see him here.
12:03 Nice! I was actually trying this grip not even knowing he did it too after you mentioned the one-handed grip!
it's amazing that Rob has actually added some GOOD advice here! Jonas would be proud!
Thanks for the video. Always make the day better!
Great work!
Joseph: I'm a hypertapper!
Rob: Hold my guitar pick
As always, excellent work.
It's always a good day for a scout video on tetris 👌
Awesome stuff as usual Scout!!
i'm so hyped about this technique
Great vid as always mr Scout
Greatvideo as always Scout!
hello Sam the spearton
@@dimsyog yes, it is i
Man I didn't realize Rob did the pogobat intro for Dan Brown. That's a name I haven't heard in a long time.
Rob Scallon's tip for using your fingers in a "claw" shape applies to other instruments too, such as the French Horn, which I play. Pressing the valve switches in that form is more efficient.
We used to do something very similar to the two finger technique when we we were playing _Track & Field II_ back in the day. Had a little round plastic bit that we swiped across the A or B button at high speed.
Such a cool colab lol 🤣 my favorite things thank you
I made a post about this in a clicker game, Adventure Capitalist for when you need to spam clicks on 2x timed modifiers etc. You hold the mouse with one hand and use 2-3 fingers on the other hands and roll them / split the work onto the left mouse button. Players in Streetfighter also call this 'Pianoing' where when you need to get a move out with the right frame timing, you piano roll the same button with multiple fingers, or if it can be any punch strength for example, a quick succesion of LP,MP,HP on an arcade stick.
Classic Tetris players gonna start watching Billy Sheehan tutorials. And possibly going to become sick bassists.
lets go cheez!
Rob scallion was the last TH-camr I was expecting to see related to tetris
this is insane
very good video
This is really freaking cool and weird cause I remember thinking while watching these videos that using plucking techniques that'd you use on bass tremolo parts to hyper trap and now that exact idea is coming to fruition
this definitely reminds me of flamenco rasgueados (spanish guitrar strumming technique). even the discussion on which fingers to use and the order reminds me of reading discussions in method books
I miss Jonas, I think he has a part in this revolution too by bringing tetris to a broader audience and his kind listening to outside ideas.
What would he say? Would he attempt to learn it?
Love it!!
Didn't understand a thing, but I know two things: It works, and this community is awesome
Super interesting!
Idk why im so interested in these videos. I played Tetris effect for like 30 hs and that's it. But i love watching people play it.
This actually might help with so many other games when speedrunning
The clone hero rake tap reference makes sense. HOW DID I NOT SEE THAT AS A CLONE HERO PLAYER! also along with rake tapping, I feel like slide tapping is similar in clone hero terms of the motion of your hand.
Great video!
@aGameScout seeing you so excited with this new technique I'm gonna have a bold predictions that you are going to be in main bracket of this years CTWC
Thanks, although it's not likely...by the time I get good at this, everyone else will be good at it too haha
@@aGameScout Have faith that you can do it, everything is possible. As you said in the first video, many people can not hypertap but eveyrone can learn Rolling. So keep working and everything will come together at some point.
Something irrelevant, is there a chance that we might see level 19 starts at top level matches ? I was just wondering that because at most videos that i watch with competitive Tetris i just skip level 18 and go straight to see level 19.
I don't know if that makes any sense but if rolling becomes the dominant technique in the future i don't see why the can't start on 19.
i need to learn this
this technique looks a lot like 'plinking' in fighting games to get 1 frame links consistently. And a liitle bit of 'piano-ing' as well for multiple shots at a frame sensitive input.
Might be a thing for other Speedruns that use a lot of mashing.
Mashing in early levels is big like in Contra NES , you want o mash extremely fast and in a rhythm over the entire game to get the spread-shot-pattern.
Could be really big.
This is so cool
another great vid Scout! let's make tetris viral again 🙂
Attach (tape/glue?) something to the bottom of your controller that extends it out, on the dpad side, you’ll need less force per tap to trigger an input. Just like how tapping closer to the center requires more force.
2:43 Him: Cheers for getting a line
also him: MISSES A PERFECT CLEAR
i love how big this has gotten,, i know so much about Tetris now KEBWJW
Now Rob is going to practice real hard with the technique he's satisfied with :) Jonas would be proud
Saw how somebody connected this to butterfly clicking from Minecraft although I would say it seems like a fusion of butterfly and drag clicking because of the positioning of the thumb.
Just watched Cheez get a level 40. Absolutely insane
It's now a bit more than two years later, and BlueScuti has just beaten NES Tetris a couple of weeks ago, playing the killscreen all the way to the inevitable game crash at 1511 lines. "Absolutely insane" sounds just about right.
0:07 Last week is when that video came out? Haha, nope.
Yeah, sigh, it was last week when I was filming...lol. I only realized when doing a final check on the video last night at 3am so I threw in a correction at the bottom of the screen instead of trying to re-record the line in the middle of the night
it seems like rolling also makes it easier to do a skill stop because you can control how many of your fingers contact easier than hold duration with DAS or hypertaps.
As a guitarist with limited knowledge of classic Tetris-- I wonder if it's possible to use a technique similar to rasgueado for rolling. Rasgueado is a flamenco guitar technique for rapid strumming that is more like a rapid series of flicks with the fingernail, as opposed to Cheez's technique, tapping with the fingertips more like bass. It's totally possible to get a 5-input roll with something similar to rasgueado, as I bet it's possible to incorporate the thumb in the finger-flick motion if you incorporate your wrist; that would unfortunately leave your thumb unable to do anything else, so you'd have to brace the controller and perform all the other inputs with one hand. I also suspect that most rollers will roll faster if the hand doing the tapping is the non-dominant hand; the dominant arm generally has more muscle mass in the forearm that slightly slows down rapid finger movement due to more friction on the tendons, or at least it feels that way to me and many others I know. Best of luck to all those learning rolling.
On the face of it rolling sounds like a shortcut technique too good to be true but the masters of it really do make it work. Revolutionary.
I saw the last video and it made me wanna try Tetris competitively
Ebic content as usual
So cool nobody could have possibly guessed the technique and skill that could be developed when first designing these games it makes me wonder about the skill caps of other games down the road since 2 people just crashed tetris it makes u wonder whether the fromsoft godruns will just be standard for soulsborne streamers and they would have moved on to min level ,no cheese, no damage, max ng godruns instead
The rolling technique is really similar to a DJ scratch technique on the crossfader called 'the crab'
Yay rob scallon
The way Rob mentions it it’s like how I played as a trumpet player, make a C but kinda upside down so maybe try to talk to some trumpet players and see if that helps?(unsure as i said it’s basically upside down) or maybe woodwind players since they go around a tube
11:46 that's some next level pipa technique
I think CTWC should have a two thumbs tournament where you can only use your thumbs to press buttons.
Well even in rolling you only have one finger touching the button, technically.
@@brettstaneslow I don't know what caveats need to be added to have a DAS only tournament, but all the rolling i've seen has had non thumb pressing of the button.
The example of taking at 1:15 is actually an alt tap because he’s alternating between the fingers on the controller. A rake tap only uses one hand and is extremely similar to the rolling method used on the nes for breaking records on the athletic games.
th-cam.com/video/5PEtI26Oz_g/w-d-xo.html yeah I sent this video to the tetris channel back when they were asking about rake tapping but I guess they picked leafgreen instead and lost the nuanced difference lmao
@@biggiemac42 I’m surprised they didn’t pick Acai for the example because he has like the cleanest technique out of anyone in the community. His wrist’s are like completely still and he even spams in time which is ridiculous. I used to just be mesmerized by watching his fingers when he played because they just have a super uniform bend and never bend diagonally at all.
I play the riqq, a type of Arabic tambourine. We percusively do these exact rolls and then use the middle finger in the opposite hand, it is quite efficient
Funny to see the last Method. Its the same method used for "Hovering" in Zelda: A Link to the past Speedrunning for many years. I bet if gaming communities combine their knowledge everything would improove :D
You read my comment about rake tapping in clone hero lmao. Rolling in the NES tetris community is a lot like how rake tapping was in clone hero. It changed clone hero, and allowed things considered impossible before to become possible. Look up the recent FC of soulless 6 for example. It was a chart made on aprils fools a long time ago, and at the time any top guitar hero player would've told you that even passing it was impossible. Now it's been 100% FC'd. Although on a side note, the release of clone hero helped with this because its engine is more lenient.
The way rolling has shattered records on level 29 play reminds me of what went down in the clone hero community.
Fun fact: the goofy foot term comes from surfing and skateboarding. Riding with your right foot forward is called goofy footed, opposite of left foot forward being called regular foot
Pogobat is a throwback.
In the 2023 worlds, everyone in the top 16 uses rolling. The entire landscape has changed in two years. Insane.
For minecraft, there is an interesting cicking technique that is way faster than butterfly clicking, similar to the gap between hyper and rolling. It is called drag clicking. I think some people have even managed to improve on this technique but the grips are unusable in practice.
This is actually the second revolution of tetris.
Was the first hypertapping or something else?
Yeah the first one was hypertapping.
Such a cool thing to happen to tetris
The bass playing techniques working for rolling line up with a comment I saw a long time ago from CTWC on Rob’s original video. Something about how there’s a direct correlation between being good at music and being good at Tetris?
Side note: I also wonder if there’s a rolling method similar to “walking the trigger” on a Paintball marker. Some of those players can hit 12-15 “taps” per second consistently with only two fingers. I don’t think it’s the most efficient way to divide the work up between muscles, but there would be less moving parts in the long run which could be more consistent for tournament play? I don’t know lol
I dont play NES Tetris, I have no intention of playing this way either, but i am VERY intrigued and i srsly want to see more
Isn't it more likely to register a button press if you roll harder and just hold your thumb on the button? The flicking of the side probably also shortens the time the button is pressed making it possible to hit quicker. I don't know how hard you have to press the button though because i don't own a controller myself.