Stealth Vs Hypersonic | F-22 Raptor Vs 2x Mig-31 Foxhound | Digital Combat Simulator | DCS |
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Happy American Thanksgiving GS. More BVR sir!
Please fly The F-15EX with AIM-260 JATM's VS The MIG-31 with R-37M's!
Please fly The F-16I Sufa with Python 5's VS The Gripen with IRIS-T's!
Please fly The F-4 Phantom VS The* A-4 Skyhawk guns only!
Please fly The Rafale VS The Typhoon guns only!🙏👍
Wondering if the mig 25 having the weaker airframe of the mig 31 is speed limited at lower altitude in DCS like the real jet. They both both seem to have the same 2.8 Mach limit as the engines burn up if pushed higher than that. Can they get that fast in DCS?
This would have been a good candidate for a tac veiw.
Would’ve loved to see exterior shots of the near misses like you did on the Gripen v Felon video some time ago. That first missile can’t have missed by a margin of more than a milk jug.
With ya on that!
Agreed. It looked like the back fins of that missile scraped a new scratch into the paint.
How a modern missile can fail to see an object filling like 90% of its view is a mystery to me.
My interpretation is this: RWR is sounding at the time, therefore it was pinging the aircraft before impact. It’s aiming for center of mass, and the closer it gets, the less it’s trying to lead that center of mass. But GS turning into it at the last possible moment tilts that center of mass parallel with the missile while it’s pretty much already alongside; essentially, from the missile’s POV, the centre of mass it should be aiming for suddenly becomes the nosecone it effectively already missed. Therefore, it misses by a hair’s breadth, since it obviously can’t turn 90 degrees in midair. Had he made that turn a split-second earlier or later, I’m sure he would’ve been reduced to atoms.
TL;DR: Imo the miss is not because the missile can’t see him (it evidently is seeing him), the reason for the miss was a last-ditch acrobatic manoeuvre that just about worked.
anything but the metric system XD
@@LW0001 So if I'm understanding you correctly, basically GS didn't actually dodge the missile by moving the whole aircraft out of the way, he essentially just moved the center of mass around the missile like an agent in The Matrix? That's WILD.
This map has some incredible landscapes. Feel free to use it more often :)
I play DCS mostly for enjoying the view actually(I suck at combat)
How does mig 31 even see the raptor? Isn't migs radar inferior + raptor's stealthy low RCS a clear and easy win for the f22 even before the mig sees the raptor?
@@lazarv7015 The F-22's stealth is pushing 30 years old now (at least the airframe's shape, dunno about other stealth tech on that plane). I'd bet an F-35 would have an easier time getting close to a MiG-31.
Those missiles were so close... insane
But stealth is stealth
The fact that he's the RCS of a golf ball probably helped.
And that's the unclassified stuff. Russians tend to have a thing for overestimating their abilities to increase sales
The US underestimate them on purpose, since they're not selling.
@@RazorsharpLTimagine a 30+ year old aircraft locking on to a golf ball from 50 miles away - and actually getting tracked. You gotta admit that’s pretty precise and accurate for a Soviet Era interceptor
@sujitbala1492 except DCS is not an accurate representation of the F22s stealth and or capabilities. It is simply a rough representation.
@@ahumblegamer4644 As all aircraft. We use public information regarding every plane used in DCS. Most of these BVR fights are only won because we only know a fraction of their capabilities.
@@sujitbala1492 Agreed, but 4th gen fighters are the most known out of all aircraft. 5th gens are still mostly classified when it comes to details.
Imagine of that missle also had a IR sensor for terminal guidance. Scary stuff.
Some do apparently
Now imagine if a missile with a seeker that tracks the extreme decibels produced by jet engines
Rather than “listen” for harmonics, it should “watch” on its radar for low frequency objects at speed.
A lot of the western modern missiles have 3 independent sensor. Some even have 4. A high resolution IR decoder is usually one of those. Those can identity flairs and ignore them
Typicallt radar, radio homing IR and Link homing.
@@matsv201 No air to air missile has more than one sensors. And for Radar, radio homing and datalink tracking, you really need one sensor which can be programmed to use those modes.
The newest version of the R-37 has folding fins so it can fit in the Felon.
That model is Izdeliye 810 or RVV-BD. But that is still under development and not even a prototype was fired form Su-57 till date.
@@123SuryasisWon’t be long though, I’m sure they’re working hard on it.
@@JesusFriedChrist Most of the reports suggesting that the development has been halted due to budget and shortage of Solid state Electronics required to make the missile smaller. The main reason is the seeker Agat 9B-1388. You have to understand, unlike medium range missiles with 100-120 km range like 120C which has a range of 20-25 km for its own radar, for a 300km-400km missile, you need more range from the missile seeker (Otherwise the Aircraft needs to guide it for a very long time making it susseptable to enmey missiles). Because of that, Agat 9B-1388.has a range of over 50 km against Fighter sized targets but due to Russia's lack of expertices in Electronics, it also has a very big size and weights nearly 50 kg. Due to Western sanctions on Electronics Import and finiancial crisis, the planned sekker upgrade with smaller size and less weight, has not been materialized yet.
@@123Suryasissource it was revealed to me in a dream
That's gotta be the most unique airfield runway ever. This map has some beautiful landscaping and scenary to it. Also seeing missiles streaking towards you like that has to be the scariest thing ever.
F22: “would you intercept me? I’d intercept me.”
13:20 is probably the closest save i've ever seen you do, well done
That wasn't a save. That was an act of God. 😂
Over a 1000 km of Airspace, not miles, by placing 4 Mig-31s 200 km apart from each other. Their integrated Data-Link continiously share information from each aircraft to other three in the group and each of them can see the overall spectrum of the airspace, combined information of all 4. That enables one Mig-31 to lock and lauch missile to a target detected by any other Mig-31 in the group. This also enables them to create very difficult situation for the enmy aircrafts where one Mig-31 can close the Gap with high Mach speed to increase probability of Kill, launch the missile and run away, making it difficult for the enemy to engage i, and the lauched Missile still can be guided by another Mig-31 behind the missile range of the enemy aircrafts.
Those missles had a pucker factor of 11.
This was more one sided and brutal than the F-15 vs MiG-31 BVR video you made a little bit ago. 😂 Loved this video a lot GS. 🐐
Hi GS, you've given me like 3 heart attacks man!
Anyway, I finally bought a new laptop so I can watch your videos in full 4k on my 55" TV but I can't really say I see more details than on the 1080p. You talk about the compression in your videos sometimes, and it's true.
Yessss 4K is the best resolution for watching DCS it helps to compensate a little for the TH-cam compression. Anyway hope you’re enjoying ur new laptop and thanks for watching. Much love.
Probably one of the most impressive videos you've made in awhile, loved it. Awesome preformance from the F-22 and almost as much so from the Mig-31.
The MiG-31 looks a lot like the MiG-25, which is an interceptor and not a dogfighter. I wonder if the MiG-31 is an interceptor too.
@@mkay1957 it is as it was to be a replacement for the MiG 25
Would love to see MiG 31 vs F-35 BVR
Pucker factor 100! Some close calls there boss!
Can you do this same fight but with you in the MiG-31 Foxhound? I want to see how good of a pilot you really really are 🔥
I would love to see mir of the Mig 31 in the future
I like the constant insight about what's happening! It completes so well the viewer experience! Thank you so much! You've won a new sub!
Pilot is for sure coming home with soiled pants. At least he's coming home lmao.
Damn that was close. I would love to see you fly the mig 31 in a rematch...you always make things more interesting lol
Love the content!! Would love to see an F35 vs AV-8B. Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!
That would be a very one-sided fight.
I would love to see F-35C vs J-20 two of the most produced 5th gen fighters. Which both warplane meant close against each other.
@@EvoraGT430against which side?
@@MiG-31893BVR's obvious, WVR's potentially interesting because the Harrier has good accel thanks to its weight and higher bypass engine but as I've heard from someone who's flown both it's going to be uphill for the Harrier, especially if the F-35 stays higher where it has more of a power advantage.
The F-35B (Marine version with VTOL) versus the AV8B?.
Always so good! Thanks so much for all your hard work GS!
Great video! I always enjoy watching these, keep up the great work!
Pushing a raptor and almost hitting it 2 to 3 times... You gotta respect the Foxhound with those R37Ms. All the more reason to get the AIM-260 missiles going
Is there a version of the YF-23? And if so, would you consider flying some missions? Love your channel
I agree!
Watching this gave me acid reflux 😂 Never too much spice though. Thanks GS for the upload man!
That shot of a lone F-22 from afar in the Sky with the trail heading down looks beautiful 😮😮.
Great Fight! And you are not the only one scared when you see those missiles coming in. But another amazing Piloting Skill...
I personally think the mig 31 is a really cool aircraft / that thing is very scary in BVR
Please create a scenario with NGAD's, SR-72's, and B-21's! All three 6th gen aircraft in one vid!🙏👍
Please fly The F-15EX with AIM-260's VS The MIG-31 with R-37M's
GS absolutely killing it with the great content again. You upload rate is amazing man.
GS: "It's probably not going to get any spicier than that."
Mig Pilot: "Hold my vodka and vatch dis."
I would love a rematch against the Eagle with 260's against the Foxhound with hypersonics. iirc, the Eagle lost to the Foxhound despite being able to see each other at around the same time because it was unable to engage it with the 120D, I think the 260 should be able to close the gap considerably .
260 isn’t a real missile but I see your point
@@chesterhiggenswe do have a few ideas about what its capabilities will be similar to how we don’t actually know how the hypersonics will act so some people have made more for dcs that guess what the 260 does
@@chesterhiggensit’s entering IOC before the end of the year, it pretty much is and has been for a little while. we’re not gonna know much about it for a long time after that though.
@@chesterhiggensuh its been in use and training for a while.... certainly is real
I can’t get enough F22 vids!
i love that vertical take off, gotta love the raptor
Thank you GS for all the hard work you put in your videos! Amazing stuff, really tremendous quality.
Would it be possible to do videos where you go through the monitors of different aircrafts? When yiu say stuff like "The other bandit is pushing me and the another's breaking off", it would be nice to know where you see this.
I (like I suspect many of us) are watching these videos from a cell phone with small screens so it's impossible to see all the monitors/radars. It's nice when you somtimes pause the video, zoom in and show what you are watching/meaning.
If you could dedicate few videos going through all the data you are able to read from the monitors/radars, that would be appreciated.
Thanks again, GS! Cheers from Finland
Since the missle is tracking your trajectory as you go into the notch, wouldn't you want to change altitude or speed once hidden in the notch so the missle can't predict where you will be? A lot of the time it seems like you're just flying in a straight line once in notch.
Love the videos! I've seen every one for the last year+ now
I think he is limiting the area exposed for the missile to hit, a smaller side (edge-on profile) serves as a smaller target (his stealth may also help, maybe the edge on cross-section is favourable.) the distant phase where the missile is turning and angling is important to do as you said but in the final phase for a very high speed hypersonic missiles, a last minute flick could do the trick I think, too early and you risk a big surface for contact., that's why after a few hard turns he maintains a relatively straight direction (idk if I am making sense, im just guessing :P, correct me pls, so I can understand it better too)
Older missiles didn't do that, so depending on which version of missile he was defending against it's possible that there was no need to change anything.
I think this fight would be fun to try again, but from the MiG-31's perspective.
Mig-31’s are so freaking cool. Kinda the last of the pure interceptor.
"Would you intercept me, Id intercept me"
I was literally watching your last F-22 vs MiG-31 video before you posted this 😅
hanks so much for all your hard work GS
Love the take off, great work man! Love your videos!!!!! And of course love the F22!!!!!!!!
The f22 has a radar signature of a bumble bee, so I'm sure the Russians can figure out that any bumble bee going mach 1.2 is probably a target.
Its a bumble bee to some radars but the weapon radars need a better signature to get good locks
It still seems like radar missle seekers cannot see the F22 at all in DCS... I mean how close do they have to get?
That makes sense, the radar is much smaller than a plane's (and it is disposable).
@@thedausthed I'd like to see some testing. Otherwise, these BVR fights make little sense if you can't hit the F22 with a Fox 3...
Finally :D Been asking for this fight for a long time
😄
13:17 listening to the next couple of minutes at 1/4 speed is hilarious.
What a dogfight and that first hyper sonic you dodged my hats off to you !
Good stuff, crazy close calls there
Impressive as always. Great fight indeed.
Great video! I had to watch it TWICE!
"I'd intercept me" 🥵
Can you try out my theory about the hypersonics? By laws of this thing called physics the faster it travels the less maneuverable it is, because inertia can't let it turn. So you should defeat it no problem when it's close simply by changing altitude at the last moment. Try it with something other than f-22, so we know it sees you. I think those hypersonics were meant for awacses and ground targets, they shouldn't be a threat to fighter jets.
Thanks for another great video friend!
I love this matchup. The Mig-31 has always been scary. Any aircraft that can intercept the SR-71 earns respect.
It can only intercept it within perfect conditions and knowing beforehand where it will be
@@johncongdon7398and don’t forget destroying its engines lol
@@johncongdon7398 ...but it can intercept a Blackbird. A Blackbird.
@sana-cm7oc Only if the Blackbird pilot is either incapacitated or the flight path has been given to the Russians before the mission was flown.
@@johncongdon7398 You need to learn more history, take a deep breath and have a cookie.
You know, I can't recall ever seeing you in the cockpit of a MiG-31. Is there a reason? Would love to see the interceptor get some love on your end.
Both times with those near misses of the missiles, you are in the notch. However you yawed the plane which allowed the missile to see you easier by giving a larger radar signature.
Just want to say im getting into DCS soon after watching your videos the past couple years. Will be holding off any thanks until after i see how much im going to drop on my entire set-up🤣
I’d recommend the thrustmaster t16000m as a starter setup. Isn’t too pricy and even though it’s just the stick, it can be twisted and so can be used as a rudder and has a miniature throttle built in.
Why does the AMRAAM bend its trajectory a little when it drops from the bay? Is it because you're firing it while pulling G or just an AMRAAM thing lol
Wdym by bend?
The range here was 23 miles for the first launch, and the missile calculated is Its trajectory in a way it didn't need to loft, even tho GS have it a nose up aspect to loft
@@a.anonymous1318 Ooooh! Damn I'm kinda ashamed I didn't think of that sooner 💀 thanks for the explanation!
The MiG 25 & 31 are mach 3+ interceptors built specifically to chase the SR-71. Same motivation for the hypersonic (M5+) missiles.
That's why they suffer so greatly at slower dogfighting speeds.
You really need to check what you are trying convey.😊
Mig-31 engine's are unusable when the aircraft is forced Mach 2.8. SR-71 speed has not been disclosed, but the pilots have hinted that they reach speeds of 3.32 and even 3.5 which happened over Libya. 😊
The Mig-25 is faster than Mig-31at high altitudes. 😊
That was some awesome pucker time. . Many thanks . .🚀 🚀
Dude WTF! That was some amazing Flying!
Ngl i would've loved to see a tac debrief of this fight. Great stuff as usual though!
Over the last few weeks I have been enjoying your F-22 Videos. If you made a series with a fictional connected campaign, I would be at the forefront... better than cinema. A new fan.
That F-22 raptor take-off was as authentic as it gets! Thank you GS for all the amazing content you put out for us!
I think I can somewhat understand how that F-16 pilot felt dodged all of those missiles now 😱😅
One of the best fights I have seen!!!!
Your editing skills are second to none.
So glad to see another F-22 upload, especially on Thanksgiving eve! F-22 is the best fighter, and the Raptor vids are always the best!
Not battle proven
@@user-yo7ps2io8c It took down the Chinese spy balloon!
@@robertallison9653 w0w very dangerous
@@user-yo7ps2io8c I believe the Raptors were in Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan as well.
@@robertallison9653 I believe libya, iraq and afghanistan have great air defence
That missile scene was so cool lol
It's the speed and big sniffer in the nose of the Foxhound that makes it so dangerous.
A missile is only as good as the track you give it...
Huh, you know what? An Eurofighter vs MiG-31 fight would be lovely.
Battle of Archers!
I didn’t hear you get clearance for that unrestricted climb!
13:21 "the carolina reaper is the spiciest pepper."
15:00 "Pepper X wants to know your location"
As Linecrosser says, "I'd intercept me"
From the information I’ve seen on MIG31 it’s like drag racing a school bus on its performance description of it in a dogfight.
Hey GS, I know this will sound juvenile but I really like the contest between the US and Russian/ Chinese adversaries. I root for you even if you don't prevail, you are like our American hero. Odd, Huh? It's reassuring considering the state of the world today. Well, thanks for your channel. It's great fun to watch.
Today is my second annual GrowlingSidewinder Thanksgiving Marathon, while I cook.
Another enjoyable video, thanks
Nice. Just one question. When you hit the notch and continue in same direction the missile sort of guess your location. What if you after breaking lock do a half loop and continue in the notch in opposite direction? Will be the MIG 31 or the missile able to follow?
"we say very similar things about the f-15" yeah except the bit about not being able to dogfight 😅
Correct lol I meant the not wanting to merge if they can help it but ya the f15 can actually dogfight if it merges.
@@GrowlingSidewinderwell, F15E vs Mig31 😏
Let’s send it.
FULL SEND!
When there is a spy plane in the base
Mig-31: *gasp* SPY! **Goes crazy**
That was a fucking close call bro.😮
The fact that the F22 id the only plane with tinted windows - so cool
The Raptor will live on forever in DCS and that makes me happy
Can the F 22's Shealth mask or conceal it's open weapon bays by rolling so that the enemy only see it's top view, in DCS?
Ah yes, your best videos are the terrifying ones
Great fight by you GS again please do that fight with F15C it's going to be fun thanks again
We need a ( current dcs versions), flyable foxbat or foxhound- they are the most dangerous, but not just due to r33/r37, but their Mach 3 speed
Doing glancing attacks at top speed, no AMRAAM will catch one evading at full speed
I just luv the Raptor :) Thanks GS!
I don't know, but GS might have Thanksgiving dinner with butt cramps from clenching his cheeks on today's mission. 😄
Happy Thanksgiving everyone! I hope you all can splash some🦃
That was nerve wracking
I would love to see you attempt the Stroke 3 flight with various aircraft
I saw a 4th F22 in a different hangar... haha
I'm guessing triangulation radar is how they "see" the F22.
Dude.... everything about this is crazy good ! Playing peekaboo with missiles. Outstanding fun, yeah ?
So, will there be a modern F14 loadout vs a modern Mig-31 loadout?
...the high speed of the R-37M plus it's tiny wings makes it incapable of turning much at all, apparently.
Makes sense. Would be a pretty horrible missile to fire at the F-22 due to losing radar track when in the notch often along with the F-22 being able to pull last minute high AoA manoeuvres to get away.
@@mavor101it’s going to be a poor performing against most any fighter aircraft with ample energy.
@@thomasstevenhebert Yea for sure - the F-22 just makes it even worse.
Still a calming feat to me. What about a dogfight between Gripen and Felon? These planes maybe similar in terms of turning rates aside from greater BVR combat